Hello, thanks for the video, I appreciate the fair approach. The budget: - Any production budget requires way more revenue to recoup, as we have to remove platform fees (30%) + publisher recoup + publisher cut + taxes + rev share with the team. It's completely normal. - In terms of development time, budget, or sales expectations, we're completely in the benchmark for indie games of this caliber, like Cuphead, Stray, Inside, etc. The controversy: It was insanely overblown & completely irrelevant to my values, my ideals, my life, my goals & what we've been making. I'm not tribal, never been, never claimed to be part of any particular group or movement, and certainly not the right-wing. I reject the way this has all been framed, it's insane how unhinged are some people's assumptions compared to the simple reality. I've been openly writing everyday on Twitter with most of the industry following me since 2017, so I think my views & concerns are pretty clear now. What I'm doing is eminently political, and completely irrelevant to America's culture war. We're tackling a much larger civilizational context, and there is a layer of abstraction to create healthy distance with current events. The Last Night is: 1. A rich cross-section of a possible future society. Written by carefully extrapolating current trends + potential breakthroughs, the result of years of obsessive research & discussions with forward-thinking minds. Just like our current world, it's neither an utopia or dystopia, it's a heterotopia. Despite incredible progress, social frustration is on rise: the Tocqueville effect. My goal is to explore the human condition when humanity is on the verge to eliminating all labor, creative or not, and left with potentially nothing meaningful to do. Imagine humans living in a state of passiveness, relegated to the role of pets while AI is in charge. A state of perpetual holidays, work replaced by gamification. 2. A character study. We don't play "a hero who will fix the situation". we play a young alienated loner struggling to blend in & accept change. The trailer shows this very clearly. It feels off, on purpose. 3. The game is designed to make you really think about the future of politics, money, friendship, love, sex, reproduction, family, food, internet, etc... It should feel like an alien culture, a world truly difficult to accept for us, today, no matter how open-minded we are. Just like someone from 200 years ago would probably find our current world extremely difficult to swallow. I suggest reading my pinned thread which I think gives a thorough picture of what I'm actually trying to achieve with this game. When I see the current reactions to AI art, I feel that The Last Night really puts the finger on an incredibly relevant malaise. AI is probably the most important topic of the century, and we didn't even start to prepare philosophically, technically, socially, or politically. Which is why I'm making this game.
Hi Tim! Thanks for the comment, it's always interesting when a creator stumbles onto these videos. Pinning this since it gives a lot of good extra insight on everything I talked about. In case it wasn't clear in the video (since I wanted to do my best to present both sides), I'm personally incredibly interested in what you're working towards here. I think your focus on AI and creating a world that's much more complicated than simply "dystopian" is exciting. Like I mentioned at the end, TRULY political video games that discuss our potential futures or increasingly popular ideologies are crucial for the medium's progression, and scouring through what you've written and posted about the game, I think The Last Night is capable of tackling inherently political issues without taking a political stance necessarily. Regarding the controversy, I fully understand how exhausting it has to be to constantly see it pop up, and how frustrating it is for it to be linked to the game at all times. In fact, when writing the video I contemplated whether I should even mention it, or simply focus on where the game is right now. The problem is, many people assume this controversy to be the reason the game went into "hiding", or the reason you and Raw Fury split ways. Some people use it as a "good riddance" on forums when people ask why the game hasn't had many public appearances recently. Because of this, I felt it necessary to tackle both sides of the argument and discuss whether it had truly effected the state of the game, the themes of the game, or the trajectory of the game in any way. I mentioned my personal take was that the tweets painted a bad picture that didn't represent your views, and were simply worded in a way that caused more outrage than it should have. Because of that, I do sympathize and hope you and the team will be able to focus on the success of the game once it releases instead of the inevitable negative press you will receive because of what is now a very tired history for you. It's an unfortunate spot to be in, but I hope it doesn't dampen the feeling of accomplishment when you finally release what you've been working on all these years. As for the targeted sales and budget- I appreciate the insight into the costs of indie games! I was definitely surprised by the initial figure, but it's interesting to know it's not far from the norm for certain indies. I do agree that the benchmark for sales is perfectly reasonable though, considering those games you mentioned alongside your hundreds of thousands of wishlists. I'm very curious to see just how high the initial sales wind up being. Thanks again for taking the time to address some key points in the video. Hope you and the team are making good progress, can't wait to play the game once it comes out!
I really appreciate your way of thinking and your approach to the game. While the teaser got my curiosity, your comment got my attention as these topics are something I enjoy to discus and think about. Wish you all the best, can´t wait to play your creation.
The controversy made me more interested in the game, showed Tim is intelligent. Now they will harrass Tim until he bends the knee and wears women's underwear to show he is an ally. Or he will have to change the main character of his game into a lesbian transgender fighting the male gaze 💀
I really hold hope for this game. It was such a visually stunning trailer and got my attention all the way back in 2017. Never forgot about it and still looking forward to its release.
Artists can and DO typically have their own opinions and political/socioeconomic views. This is the source of art. We have to learn how to step back and resist the urges to attack someone because their views may not particularly and readily align with our own. Learn to consume ideas, and engage with the ideas. Not the person. We would call ourselves independent, albeit left-leaning. That said, that should never suggest that we wouldn't engage with artwork that may have underlying ideas we disagree with. People need to get away from this "canceling" of people who are different from us. In a way, this whole "gamer-gate" fiasco sounds like it kinda demonstrated what this 'Tim' was trying to speak on. Diminishing diversity and variety by actively canceling, and forcing conformity to popular opinion through bullying. It's scary either way, coming from the right or left. We should NEVER advocate censorship.
I remember starting as an indie in 2016 and I was very impressed by a Facebook post showing screenshots of this game. The guy mentioned he worked with his brother. It’s been almost ten years. The game that this one inspired is already 4 years in the making and two 2 years delayed. No matter how good a game looks, no game can survive 10 years without having to be redone. I hope the dev can still pull it off.
Hurr durr....leftist opinions good, normal rational ideas bad. Gamergate was always about journalism. There was no confusion. Certain women just wanted to make it about themselves and throw themselves in the crosshairs. No one should be responsible for the actions of anonymous online trolls. The "victims" sure did make a lot of money grifting from their unproven pain and suffering that they brought upon themselves though.
Seriously, I clicked on this video to learn about The Last Night and I end up getting a 5 minute sermon and how we can forgive Tim for having the correct opinions.
“I want more video games that aren’t afraid to make a political statement, as long as I agree with it, otherwise I will confidently infantilize & strawman it because my 13 year old brain can’t comprehend I might be the one who’s brainwashed by propaganda.”
Actually, Gamer gate was an Anti-Gaming Media campaign. Gaming media was and still is crap, Gamergate narrative was then taken over by the very corrupt gaming media and made it about women, which somehow stuck, even though Gamer gate was never regarding it originally. Honestly, all gamergate proved was that Gaming Media was too political, too left wing, and a complete joke. Still is too, but at least now, people know Gaming media sucks, that's why games like Hogwarts Legacy still sold millions even though that very media vilified it.
@@johngraham1427 Right, evidence of truth isn't what matters. Speaking the loudest and the fastest is what matters. Because we live in a era where everybody gets to play activism on issues they have a 2day attention span for.
@@armyofninjas9055 Could say that about most things. It never was a movement though, that was the medias spin. It was simply the gaming media attempting to bait incels and fascists in order to portray the entire of gaming that way. For their own agendas. Gamergate was not a gamer rebellion it was a media rebellion.
iirc it started because some girl was exposed for sleeping with a journalist so he would give her game good reviews, and it spiraled into a huge campaign against corruption in game journalism in general.
There is no actual game yet. I pointed this out in another thread where some commenters were whining about the game not being done. The reason we got a trailer that wowed everybody (and contained no gameplay footage) is due to the involvement of Raw Fury at the time. Raw Fury is no longer the prospective publisher. Odd Tales as it exists is a completely amateur small team of first-time game developers. They haven't taken anyone's money and don't have any deadlines. The entire substance of hype for The Last Night is 90 seconds of animation from 2017 which is disappointing. Either way, I'll be waiting.
I don’t think the door on the project is fully closed. Keeping my eyes open for this title. As long consoles continue to stick around. It can only be revived. PS6.
Because if you want to know who truly has power in society, all you have to do is look at the people you’re not allowed to criticize. The needless nontroversy over The Last Night is proof of it. And several years before that there was a similar nontroversy over Jon Tron giving harmless opinions that are branded heresy, sound familiar?
@@limelightraver5690 There's an obvious agenda. Feminism has nothing to do with treating women well and everything to do with economy. Force the other half of the populatiton into the workforce and 2x tax revenue. That's why it cannot be criticized. I know women who would happily be nurturers but society has made them feel inadequete for choosing not to work a typical job.
All this time and I mean like since 2019 or something I thought the game was dead so this video just game me a lot of hope and hype. I’m adding it to my steam wishlist once again. Thanks!
As someone who was absolutely floored by the original trailer, but didn't know anything about this controversy, this was a really interesting and illuminating video. I think you did a good job looking at the issues in as fair and unbiased way as possible, and I agree with your conclusions on the matter. That might be caused by me forming my opinion based on your video, but what am I supposed to do? Research?! 🤷♂ Just to reiterate specifically though, it's definitely true that gamergate was a weird confusing mess in the early days, and some groups and people reported exclusively on specific aspects of it while ignoring others. Depending on who a person got their info from, they could have been ignorant of the shitty aspects of the movement for a surprising amount of time. At the same time, there's absolutely no denying those tweets were poorly worded. Could have just been ignorance, or carelessness, or the format not really allowing for the expression of nuanced opinions, and it even could have been that they portray his actual opinions (which would be pretty shitty imo). Regardless, if he's publicly distancing himself from them now, and has been for years, I'm personally okay with leaving them in the past. In a world where people express so many of their thoughts and opinions in a permanent form, we need to be able to let people distance themselves from past comments, because people grow and change. Hopefully that's what happened here. On a completely different note, I think it's wild that people would freak out about a game possibly having a anti-UBI message. There are a ton of issues with modern western society, and UBI tries to address some of those issues, but will likely come with issues of its own. No system designed by humans is likely to be perfect, and even if the idea for the system is perfect, it's unlikely to be implemented perfectly. One of the most valuable purposes of art is that it can show us possibilities, potential, hazards, and flaws in society. Any art, including videogames, should be allowed to address serious social issues, even if their conclusions aren't ones you or I agree with (within reasonable limits, of course). I feel like as a society we really need to learn how to look at and listen to ideas that we disagree with, and critiques of ideas that we hold, because often some of the most valuable insights you can gain are from people with views that oppose your own. Loved the video, man. Keep up the awesome work!
Research??? RIDICULOUS Lmao glad I could shine a little light on it. Totally went over my head too when it was happening. I definitely agree, we can't want to push "games as art" and keep freaking out if those games feature criticisms of social or economic issues, sport different viewpoints or even (like you said, within reason) take a position that isn't widely held. Like somebody else mentioned, it's a bit hypocritical to do that from the same people that clown the "keep politics out of video games" crowd. Making fun of the fact that somebody else freaked out because a game didn't have THEIR politics only works if you in turn don't freak out when a game doesn't have YOUR politics. Swings both ways. I'm interested to see what stances the game takes when it comes out, and I hope they're bold and uninhibited whatever they are, after which I can come to my own conclusions about whether I align with them or not
@@AsadAnjum Well said, man. Well said. These days it really seems like a lot of people hold others to certain standards or expectations, but then don't apply the same ones to themselves. Each side reflexively freaking out about the other side's politics making their way into games is a good example of that. More than that, I think that criticizing an idea held by one side doesn't automatically make you on the other side. Even if the game takes a critical stance on UBI (a typically left-wing idea) that wouldn't necessarily mean the creators were right-wing, or even anti-UBI. For all we know, the dystopian post-UBI world featured in this game came about because wealthy capitalists figured out a way to corrupt that system to stay in a position of relative power and privilege while others suffered. There should always be room for nuanced and well thought out criticism, even from within your "side." And while we're at it, can we all acknowledge how ridiculous it is that we think of these issues as binary choices? Like, does anyone really think there's the left-wing way and the right-wing way and that's it? Everything's way more complex than that. I think a lot of that comes from the American political system and its enforced duopoly. Up here in Canada we've got 5 different political parties in parliament (which comes with its own problems), and we still seem to fall into this sort of binary thinking... but I think I'm straying a bit too far from the topic :D
@@shoelacedonkey they’re not important. Its unfair to assume when we have no knowledge of the game. Wait for the game to come out. Bioshock was somewhat political but you dont need to give a shit to enjoy the game. Themes and story are different.
Who defines and decides what politcs are hateful? You? The problem with the demand for more politics in games comes with the realization that you won't agree with all of them. Either you accept politics in all forms, no matter if you agree or not, or you see none at all. Amercians seem to have a hard time to understand that the world and politics aren't restricted to their country...
@@Snack-Sized-Femboy You are aware that you are making my point? You state specific political leanings that are not enforced through media on a global scale. I don't see Japanese work ethics, sharia law or any other policial positions save whatever the USA is currently jerking off over and shove it in every media they have somewhat control over. It was the racism in the 50's, the homophobia in the 60, the christianity in the 80s, the Political correctness in the 00's, the feminism in the 10's and the wokeness today. And the mere fact that companiesexlude these politics in countries in which these polics are opposed, shows the hypocrissy in all of that.
Good video (I’m so psyched for this game), but your summation of gamergate is the result of naivety and misunderstanding, just as you suggest Soret’s tweets were. To suggest gamergate was a harassment campaign aimed at women and people of colour is so far from the truth. I was there when it began (though I took no part as I’m not a huge gamer - I just love cinematic platformers), and it wasn’t what you think. As with any movement like gamergate, there was a small subgroup who began harassing Zoe Quinn and Sarkeesian, but they were far from the majority. I watched as gamergate was politicised and weaponised by leftist social activist (and by right-wingers, too, on the other side of the debate), but the truth is many prominent figures involved were leftists and activists themselves (many of whom were female), and if any villain could be pulled from the messy debacle, it’s Zoe Quinn and Sarkeesian, as all they said and did created the shitstorm in the first place. This is what led to the harassment, but it was never what the movement was about, and it certainly wasn’t the majority. Here’s a link to an article that talks about it a little more in depth: medium.com/arc-digital/almost-everything-you-know-about-gamergate-is-wrong-c4a50a3515fb
Just wanted to say, I love what you do! I really appreciate how you try to look at every angle with an unbiased but critical eye. Your channel is criminally underrated and I hope it keeps growing in the future. Keep it up! You're one of my favourite youtubers these days
Thank you! It's always crazy to hear stuff like this cause I'm just some random dude making videos from my basement lmao but I'm glad you enjoy what I do so much!
Except that he didn’t look at it with an unbiased eye; he mirrored a one-sided view, and added to the spread of misinformation. He needs to do a little more research and be a little more informed before making a gamergate video. There’s so much out there that get to the heart of the matter. If you’re interested in the game, this is a good video, but if you’re leaving thinking you know the truth of what gamergate was, then this is most definitely a bad one.
I gotta say, the amount of nuance for such a short video is impressive! To me Tim Soret (you got the pronunciation right btw) is the kind of really smart tech person that isn't necessarily as smart for real world political issues. And he can be kind of an asshole from what I've seen, but that's hard to put this 100% on him when he was pretty much harassed too so 🤷 And the way the game got received was really weird too. Making fun of the alt right gamers who say they don't want politics in games when they mean "I don't want your politics in games" is all good, but then when a game based its dystopia in a "progressive" future, the same people got mad? I'm having a really hard time seeing the issue with it, it's just a story, not a prophecy. And even if it's propaganda, it's still someone putting everything they have into making it, so I bet it'll be interesting, even if it's wrong. But really if you can't explore potential futures in science fiction then what's the point
I really like this take. I think the game will be much better if it has nuance and isn't just propaganda (just cause that's ALWAYS more interesting no matter where the creator lands on the political spectrum) but even if the game houses some more right wing opinions that doesn't mean we should boycott it. You can make fun of the opinions or think it's ridiculous (if it does turn out to push a right wing agenda) without also demanding for it to be canceled. If it doesn't represent what you want and you don't want anything to do with it, don't buy it. If you think it has interesting ideas, even if you personally disagree with them, then buy it. A lot of people asking for the game to get completely canned are pretty hypocritical imo, in the exact way you pointed out. I hope the game can come out no matter what it ends up being, I'll make my mind up about its quality when it's released
Interesting dive into the game's context but you really only talked about the game post-2017 for 4 minutes, only some of which was devlogs. I can go watch the devlogs myself but your title was a bit misleading.
Gamergate was..... when ladies of the night got caught being ladies of the night and made up lies about not being ladies of the night....that's basically gamer Gate.......😁
Finally we had no new information in 2022 and everything indicates that there will be nothing new in 2023... This game can be stored in the same box as Abandoned and the key thrown away. A shame.
The reality is MAJORITY of gamers dont give a fuck about Gamergate, feminism or any of that woke ideological leftist crap that VICE puts out. Gaming is an entertainment industry, focus should always be on the product being put out - hopefully a great game.
thing is, everything is political, even entertainment. Just because something aligns with ur values doenst mean its apolitical. But other than that, yes, the focus should just be on making a great game
Great video. Great research. I've also written off this game, though I do come back to the trailer every time I forget who made the music. (Lorn) Really happy to see it still in development!
I hope this game will catch the Cyberpunk Edgerunners hypetrain after the fans finish replaying the CP2077. It really should kick in as a mysterious dark horse indie messiah right after CP2077 fans fall in frustration from finishing the current headliner of the genre
Not being into feminism isn't hateful. In fact women's lib seems to have gone into a bad direction since the early 2000"s. Equal pay. Sure. Equal treatment. Yep. Equal athletes...uh..um. I guess if no more women want to win at sports I think I made my point
Many indie games developed by one person became a success and they were made with very limited resources and very few announcements. The Last Night, instead, is all about the theatricality of PR and nothing about the product, not even a tiny recent update was published and hopefully we didn't get bamboozled.
Totally biased representation of GamerGate, but otherwise glad this game is being discussed. Tim's cancellation is testimony to what GG was all about. Now, in the M-She-U film properties, you can see what they were trying to avoid.
If this was so bad because of what the game developers perceived stance. Then take a look at FF7. The decision to change the storyline and then feed us a different story. Is mentally frustrating. It’s hard to follow the story. Percentage wise. More people played the original FF7 because of the storyline.
All the real world politics aside, I actually wish this game (engine) was just released so people could make a sandbox world out of the amazing "look" of it. Imagine what modders could do to this?!
Hey Man I like you video and I found it very informative. I was trying to get some information around this game for a while after it went silent. I almost felt that the world have forgotten about it entirely. But seeing your news flash really gave me hope again. Thank you for the good work.
Great analysis of the development of this game! It's a shame it went through some tough times but hopefully, the game is on the right track now. I'll never forget that trailer at E3 - just hope they don't get lost in trying to make it overly artistically impressive and focus on the gameplay as a priority.
I still remember this game even after all this time. It's a shame the dude got lambasted for his views because it seems the state of game's journalism, and even AAA production, is rampant with exactly what the generally normal people involved with the "hashtag" were going on about to this day, and right in the open.
"People now define themselves by what they consume, not what they create." "What if the surveillance, bullying, marginalization won’t come from governments but from the Internet?" ...aaand immediately the internet dogpiles him. If it ever comes out, I'll *pre-order* it.
this game comes when it comes but that said in 2022 that was a indy show case that had the last night as a playable demo shown so i would say end of 2023 or as you said diffently 2024 first half the game ain't dead that's for sure Cool you got Tim Soret to comment
I saw some of the gameplay from the original Game Jam version and it looked amazing even back then. The sci fi cyberpunk stuff looked incredible. I could only imagine how good it would be now. Also there aren’t many 2d cyberpunk/blade runner type of games that I’ve found and this looks like a good one. Only other one’s that really caught my attention were Flashback (which is supposed to be getting a new sequel), The Last Night, this really awesome game called Huntdown as well that I really love and maybe the Terminator game back in the day for Sega Genesis/Sega CD. I know there are more but seems very rare that they are made especially nowadays.
1. You speak way too fast. 2. Stop ending every single statement with a rise in your voice. Talk to us, don't ask us questions. 3. You said you wanted to avoid GamerGate 15 minute video in the middle of a 5 minute video about The Last Night. You ended up giving us a 7 minute video about social justice nonsense in the middle of a 4 minute video about The Last Night.
It’s a game. They can say whatever they want regardless of who gets butthurt. It’s a game. Don’t play it. I wonder what game like the GTA series is about. Exactly. Don’t play games you don’t like.
There will be 4 different games by the end of 2024 (at least) with this art style released before The Last Night. They show it aat 2017 E3, dude makes some moron public statements, kills game and now a tiny team is still working on something who's charm will be old hat by the time it drops in...2027? I'm beyond done with this game.
The Last Night was a fantastic idea. Why should every game agree with the corrupt system? Not too long ago these were the game ideas that people loved that had awesome stores and action. It just happened that this time the Evlil corrupt system was the same one ruling at the time. Gamer Gate is and was supported every gamer out there because Gamer Gate is simply a pile of lies told by 1 side who happen to also be the people who get to frame the situation and shape it to be what they deem best fit their cause. The main journos involved are still disgusting people, leading even to a self deletion of a fellow dev based on false sa accusations they later recanted after he was gone...and zero accountability was taken.
Absolutely wild that a game creator gets haunted and needs to apologize for rightwing opinions. For once a game with a rightwing leaning angle would have been made, but it got harrassed and canceled. Leftism is so despicable.
5:21 Even from what youve shown in this video I can very clearly see what his values are, so no its really you whose misinformed. Im not surprised about it though. Gamergate was in fact about jounalistic integrity, the journalists that were under attack then started a smear campaign against gamers. That got people angry, which they wanted, because that got some of those idiots sending threats, which they then used as cannonfodder to further their smear campaign. As much as some gamers nowdays love to claim we won that war, unfortuantely we didnt. You here being prove of that. So let us take solace in the fact that they didnt win either. A lot of them did eventually end up losing their jobs because they are in fact sht journalists and no one actually read their garbage. And no self respecting gamer takes games journalist opinions seriously anymore.
You know that 2 5d was not made by the developers of The Last Night, right? It does not copy from TLN but 2.5D style itself. And they are different, in light, atmosphere, etc.
Lmao yeah that about sums it up. I mean for God's sake the actual dude whose controversy I'm talking about is in this comments section saying I had a "fair approach" and calmly clarifying his side, and people are still riled up about how I handled it all. Can't please everybody 🤷♂️
Gamergate was the revealing of how woke activists use games to push their destructive ideology on gamers and then call them bigots for rejecting it. Sweet Baby Inc. is one of the worst grifters that does this.
Hello, thanks for the video, I appreciate the fair approach.
The budget:
- Any production budget requires way more revenue to recoup, as we have to remove platform fees (30%) + publisher recoup + publisher cut + taxes + rev share with the team.
It's completely normal.
- In terms of development time, budget, or sales expectations, we're completely in the benchmark for indie games of this caliber, like Cuphead, Stray, Inside, etc.
The controversy:
It was insanely overblown & completely irrelevant to my values, my ideals, my life, my goals & what we've been making.
I'm not tribal, never been, never claimed to be part of any particular group or movement, and certainly not the right-wing.
I reject the way this has all been framed, it's insane how unhinged are some people's assumptions compared to the simple reality.
I've been openly writing everyday on Twitter with most of the industry following me since 2017, so I think my views & concerns are pretty clear now.
What I'm doing is eminently political, and completely irrelevant to America's culture war.
We're tackling a much larger civilizational context, and there is a layer of abstraction to create healthy distance with current events.
The Last Night is:
1. A rich cross-section of a possible future society.
Written by carefully extrapolating current trends + potential breakthroughs, the result of years of obsessive research & discussions with forward-thinking minds.
Just like our current world, it's neither an utopia or dystopia, it's a heterotopia. Despite incredible progress, social frustration is on rise: the Tocqueville effect.
My goal is to explore the human condition when humanity is on the verge to eliminating all labor, creative or not, and left with potentially nothing meaningful to do.
Imagine humans living in a state of passiveness, relegated to the role of pets while AI is in charge.
A state of perpetual holidays, work replaced by gamification.
2. A character study.
We don't play "a hero who will fix the situation".
we play a young alienated loner struggling to blend in & accept change.
The trailer shows this very clearly. It feels off, on purpose.
3. The game is designed to make you really think about the future of politics, money, friendship, love, sex, reproduction, family, food, internet, etc...
It should feel like an alien culture, a world truly difficult to accept for us, today, no matter how open-minded we are.
Just like someone from 200 years ago would probably find our current world extremely difficult to swallow.
I suggest reading my pinned thread which I think gives a thorough picture of what I'm actually trying to achieve with this game.
When I see the current reactions to AI art, I feel that The Last Night really puts the finger on an incredibly relevant malaise.
AI is probably the most important topic of the century, and we didn't even start to prepare philosophically, technically, socially, or politically.
Which is why I'm making this game.
Hi Tim!
Thanks for the comment, it's always interesting when a creator stumbles onto these videos. Pinning this since it gives a lot of good extra insight on everything I talked about.
In case it wasn't clear in the video (since I wanted to do my best to present both sides), I'm personally incredibly interested in what you're working towards here. I think your focus on AI and creating a world that's much more complicated than simply "dystopian" is exciting. Like I mentioned at the end, TRULY political video games that discuss our potential futures or increasingly popular ideologies are crucial for the medium's progression, and scouring through what you've written and posted about the game, I think The Last Night is capable of tackling inherently political issues without taking a political stance necessarily.
Regarding the controversy, I fully understand how exhausting it has to be to constantly see it pop up, and how frustrating it is for it to be linked to the game at all times. In fact, when writing the video I contemplated whether I should even mention it, or simply focus on where the game is right now. The problem is, many people assume this controversy to be the reason the game went into "hiding", or the reason you and Raw Fury split ways. Some people use it as a "good riddance" on forums when people ask why the game hasn't had many public appearances recently. Because of this, I felt it necessary to tackle both sides of the argument and discuss whether it had truly effected the state of the game, the themes of the game, or the trajectory of the game in any way.
I mentioned my personal take was that the tweets painted a bad picture that didn't represent your views, and were simply worded in a way that caused more outrage than it should have. Because of that, I do sympathize and hope you and the team will be able to focus on the success of the game once it releases instead of the inevitable negative press you will receive because of what is now a very tired history for you. It's an unfortunate spot to be in, but I hope it doesn't dampen the feeling of accomplishment when you finally release what you've been working on all these years.
As for the targeted sales and budget- I appreciate the insight into the costs of indie games! I was definitely surprised by the initial figure, but it's interesting to know it's not far from the norm for certain indies. I do agree that the benchmark for sales is perfectly reasonable though, considering those games you mentioned alongside your hundreds of thousands of wishlists. I'm very curious to see just how high the initial sales wind up being.
Thanks again for taking the time to address some key points in the video. Hope you and the team are making good progress, can't wait to play the game once it comes out!
I really appreciate your way of thinking and your approach to the game. While the teaser got my curiosity, your comment got my attention as these topics are something I enjoy to discus and think about. Wish you all the best, can´t wait to play your creation.
The controversy made me more interested in the game, showed Tim is intelligent. Now they will harrass Tim until he bends the knee and wears women's underwear to show he is an ally. Or he will have to change the main character of his game into a lesbian transgender fighting the male gaze 💀
Where is this 'pinned thread'? I want to read it.
@@ocksee I can't find it either
I don't care about controversy. I just want the game😢.
I really hold hope for this game. It was such a visually stunning trailer and got my attention all the way back in 2017. Never forgot about it and still looking forward to its release.
Same here dude, probably among a few people who stll tries to check everyday whether there is an update on the game, I still haven't lost hope.
Artists can and DO typically have their own opinions and political/socioeconomic views. This is the source of art. We have to learn how to step back and resist the urges to attack someone because their views may not particularly and readily align with our own. Learn to consume ideas, and engage with the ideas. Not the person.
We would call ourselves independent, albeit left-leaning. That said, that should never suggest that we wouldn't engage with artwork that may have underlying ideas we disagree with. People need to get away from this "canceling" of people who are different from us. In a way, this whole "gamer-gate" fiasco sounds like it kinda demonstrated what this 'Tim' was trying to speak on. Diminishing diversity and variety by actively canceling, and forcing conformity to popular opinion through bullying. It's scary either way, coming from the right or left. We should NEVER advocate censorship.
Man did nothing wrong. Hes allowed his own opinions anyway so why its being lumped in with the game is BS.
This is actually the game I would like to see released more then any game ever
I remember starting as an indie in 2016 and I was very impressed by a Facebook post showing screenshots of this game. The guy mentioned he worked with his brother.
It’s been almost ten years. The game that this one inspired is already 4 years in the making and two 2 years delayed. No matter how good a game looks, no game can survive 10 years without having to be redone. I hope the dev can still pull it off.
It’ll be a serious letdown when it does, just like duke nukem forever.
Literally just looked this up after thinking "hey what the hell ever happened to that Blade Runner looking game"
Replaced devs confirmed zero links with this game, hope this helps!
Hurr durr....leftist opinions good, normal rational ideas bad.
Gamergate was always about journalism. There was no confusion. Certain women just wanted to make it about themselves and throw themselves in the crosshairs. No one should be responsible for the actions of anonymous online trolls. The "victims" sure did make a lot of money grifting from their unproven pain and suffering that they brought upon themselves though.
You're 100% correct that GG was confusing mess. A good example is your actual misinformed description if it.
Seriously, I clicked on this video to learn about The Last Night and I end up getting a 5 minute sermon and how we can forgive Tim for having the correct opinions.
“I want more video games that aren’t afraid to make a political statement, as long as I agree with it, otherwise I will confidently infantilize & strawman it because my 13 year old brain can’t comprehend I might be the one who’s brainwashed by propaganda.”
"Unless it's against socialism."
sounds like my ex
tim soret was right
Actually, Gamer gate was an Anti-Gaming Media campaign. Gaming media was and still is crap, Gamergate narrative was then taken over by the very corrupt gaming media and made it about women, which somehow stuck, even though Gamer gate was never regarding it originally.
Honestly, all gamergate proved was that Gaming Media was too political, too left wing, and a complete joke. Still is too, but at least now, people know Gaming media sucks, that's why games like Hogwarts Legacy still sold millions even though that very media vilified it.
The journos played the old "I'm a victim because I'm female" and the smooth-brains fell for it as they always do. Sentimentality over Rationality.
@@johngraham1427 Right, evidence of truth isn't what matters. Speaking the loudest and the fastest is what matters. Because we live in a era where everybody gets to play activism on issues they have a 2day attention span for.
Started that way. That is NOT what it became. Starts with criticism. Then the incels and fascists pile on. Not a serious movement.
@@armyofninjas9055 Could say that about most things. It never was a movement though, that was the medias spin. It was simply the gaming media attempting to bait incels and fascists in order to portray the entire of gaming that way. For their own agendas. Gamergate was not a gamer rebellion it was a media rebellion.
@@armyofninjas9055 I would say the fascists were the ones who used it as an excuse to attack very real criticism.
thank god, we will have "REPLACED" by Sad Cat Studios before "The Last Night" kakakakakak
I still don't understand what Gamegate was about. I do know a lot of insane people love to get mad about it.
It exposed the corruption in game journalism
iirc it started because some girl was exposed for sleeping with a journalist so he would give her game good reviews, and it spiraled into a huge campaign against corruption in game journalism in general.
There is no actual game yet.
I pointed this out in another thread where some commenters were whining about the game not being done. The reason we got a trailer that wowed everybody (and contained no gameplay footage) is due to the involvement of Raw Fury at the time. Raw Fury is no longer the prospective publisher.
Odd Tales as it exists is a completely amateur small team of first-time game developers. They haven't taken anyone's money and don't have any deadlines.
The entire substance of hype for The Last Night is 90 seconds of animation from 2017 which is disappointing.
Either way, I'll be waiting.
I don’t think the door on the project is fully closed. Keeping my eyes open for this title. As long consoles continue to stick around. It can only be revived. PS6.
Why does disagreeing with feminism lead to guaranteed cancellaton and being dragged?
Because if you want to know who truly has power in society, all you have to do is look at the people you’re not allowed to criticize. The needless nontroversy over The Last Night is proof of it. And several years before that there was a similar nontroversy over Jon Tron giving harmless opinions that are branded heresy, sound familiar?
@@limelightraver5690 There's an obvious agenda. Feminism has nothing to do with treating women well and everything to do with economy.
Force the other half of the populatiton into the workforce and 2x tax revenue. That's why it cannot be criticized.
I know women who would happily be nurturers but society has made them feel inadequete for choosing not to work a typical job.
because we don't need to tolerate misogynistic people rising in success. it's too bad because this game looked good
@@krack-a-lacker Not being a feminist doesn't mean you're a misogynist, what are you on about looool
@kracken So if people aren't with you, they're automatically your enemy? This is why everyone says modern feminism is a joke.
All this time and I mean like since 2019 or something I thought the game was dead so this video just game me a lot of hope and hype. I’m adding it to my steam wishlist once again. Thanks!
As someone who was absolutely floored by the original trailer, but didn't know anything about this controversy, this was a really interesting and illuminating video. I think you did a good job looking at the issues in as fair and unbiased way as possible, and I agree with your conclusions on the matter. That might be caused by me forming my opinion based on your video, but what am I supposed to do? Research?! 🤷♂
Just to reiterate specifically though, it's definitely true that gamergate was a weird confusing mess in the early days, and some groups and people reported exclusively on specific aspects of it while ignoring others. Depending on who a person got their info from, they could have been ignorant of the shitty aspects of the movement for a surprising amount of time. At the same time, there's absolutely no denying those tweets were poorly worded. Could have just been ignorance, or carelessness, or the format not really allowing for the expression of nuanced opinions, and it even could have been that they portray his actual opinions (which would be pretty shitty imo). Regardless, if he's publicly distancing himself from them now, and has been for years, I'm personally okay with leaving them in the past. In a world where people express so many of their thoughts and opinions in a permanent form, we need to be able to let people distance themselves from past comments, because people grow and change. Hopefully that's what happened here.
On a completely different note, I think it's wild that people would freak out about a game possibly having a anti-UBI message. There are a ton of issues with modern western society, and UBI tries to address some of those issues, but will likely come with issues of its own. No system designed by humans is likely to be perfect, and even if the idea for the system is perfect, it's unlikely to be implemented perfectly. One of the most valuable purposes of art is that it can show us possibilities, potential, hazards, and flaws in society. Any art, including videogames, should be allowed to address serious social issues, even if their conclusions aren't ones you or I agree with (within reasonable limits, of course). I feel like as a society we really need to learn how to look at and listen to ideas that we disagree with, and critiques of ideas that we hold, because often some of the most valuable insights you can gain are from people with views that oppose your own.
Loved the video, man. Keep up the awesome work!
Research??? RIDICULOUS
Lmao glad I could shine a little light on it. Totally went over my head too when it was happening.
I definitely agree, we can't want to push "games as art" and keep freaking out if those games feature criticisms of social or economic issues, sport different viewpoints or even (like you said, within reason) take a position that isn't widely held. Like somebody else mentioned, it's a bit hypocritical to do that from the same people that clown the "keep politics out of video games" crowd. Making fun of the fact that somebody else freaked out because a game didn't have THEIR politics only works if you in turn don't freak out when a game doesn't have YOUR politics. Swings both ways. I'm interested to see what stances the game takes when it comes out, and I hope they're bold and uninhibited whatever they are, after which I can come to my own conclusions about whether I align with them or not
@@AsadAnjum Well said, man. Well said.
These days it really seems like a lot of people hold others to certain standards or expectations, but then don't apply the same ones to themselves. Each side reflexively freaking out about the other side's politics making their way into games is a good example of that.
More than that, I think that criticizing an idea held by one side doesn't automatically make you on the other side. Even if the game takes a critical stance on UBI (a typically left-wing idea) that wouldn't necessarily mean the creators were right-wing, or even anti-UBI. For all we know, the dystopian post-UBI world featured in this game came about because wealthy capitalists figured out a way to corrupt that system to stay in a position of relative power and privilege while others suffered. There should always be room for nuanced and well thought out criticism, even from within your "side."
And while we're at it, can we all acknowledge how ridiculous it is that we think of these issues as binary choices? Like, does anyone really think there's the left-wing way and the right-wing way and that's it? Everything's way more complex than that. I think a lot of that comes from the American political system and its enforced duopoly. Up here in Canada we've got 5 different political parties in parliament (which comes with its own problems), and we still seem to fall into this sort of binary thinking... but I think I'm straying a bit too far from the topic :D
@game dev and chill
Gaters can piss up a rope.
He was pretty biased about it bro
who cares about the creator. seperate art from the artist and let the man cook
Wise word
If it's a game about political ideas amongst other things then the views of the creator are not unimportant.
@@shoelacedonkey they’re not important. Its unfair to assume when we have no knowledge of the game. Wait for the game to come out. Bioshock was somewhat political but you dont need to give a shit to enjoy the game. Themes and story are different.
Who defines and decides what politcs are hateful? You? The problem with the demand for more politics in games comes with the realization that you won't agree with all of them. Either you accept politics in all forms, no matter if you agree or not, or you see none at all. Amercians seem to have a hard time to understand that the world and politics aren't restricted to their country...
It's not just Americans. Look at Sweden, France and Germany. Sharia zones in the UK. You are not exempt from this nonsense.
@@Snack-Sized-Femboy You are aware that you are making my point? You state specific political leanings that are not enforced through media on a global scale. I don't see Japanese work ethics, sharia law or any other policial positions save whatever the USA is currently jerking off over and shove it in every media they have somewhat control over. It was the racism in the 50's, the homophobia in the 60, the christianity in the 80s, the Political correctness in the 00's, the feminism in the 10's and the wokeness today.
And the mere fact that companiesexlude these politics in countries in which these polics are opposed, shows the hypocrissy in all of that.
Good video (I’m so psyched for this game), but your summation of gamergate is the result of naivety and misunderstanding, just as you suggest Soret’s tweets were. To suggest gamergate was a harassment campaign aimed at women and people of colour is so far from the truth. I was there when it began (though I took no part as I’m not a huge gamer - I just love cinematic platformers), and it wasn’t what you think. As with any movement like gamergate, there was a small subgroup who began harassing Zoe Quinn and Sarkeesian, but they were far from the majority. I watched as gamergate was politicised and weaponised by leftist social activist (and by right-wingers, too, on the other side of the debate), but the truth is many prominent figures involved were leftists and activists themselves (many of whom were female), and if any villain could be pulled from the messy debacle, it’s Zoe Quinn and Sarkeesian, as all they said and did created the shitstorm in the first place. This is what led to the harassment, but it was never what the movement was about, and it certainly wasn’t the majority. Here’s a link to an article that talks about it a little more in depth:
medium.com/arc-digital/almost-everything-you-know-about-gamergate-is-wrong-c4a50a3515fb
Just wanted to say, I love what you do! I really appreciate how you try to look at every angle with an unbiased but critical eye.
Your channel is criminally underrated and I hope it keeps growing in the future. Keep it up! You're one of my favourite youtubers these days
Thank you! It's always crazy to hear stuff like this cause I'm just some random dude making videos from my basement lmao but I'm glad you enjoy what I do so much!
Except that he didn’t look at it with an unbiased eye; he mirrored a one-sided view, and added to the spread of misinformation. He needs to do a little more research and be a little more informed before making a gamergate video. There’s so much out there that get to the heart of the matter. If you’re interested in the game, this is a good video, but if you’re leaving thinking you know the truth of what gamergate was, then this is most definitely a bad one.
@@pdlme9010
Must suck being wrong all the time.
I gotta say, the amount of nuance for such a short video is impressive!
To me Tim Soret (you got the pronunciation right btw) is the kind of really smart tech person that isn't necessarily as smart for real world political issues. And he can be kind of an asshole from what I've seen, but that's hard to put this 100% on him when he was pretty much harassed too so 🤷
And the way the game got received was really weird too. Making fun of the alt right gamers who say they don't want politics in games when they mean "I don't want your politics in games" is all good, but then when a game based its dystopia in a "progressive" future, the same people got mad? I'm having a really hard time seeing the issue with it, it's just a story, not a prophecy. And even if it's propaganda, it's still someone putting everything they have into making it, so I bet it'll be interesting, even if it's wrong. But really if you can't explore potential futures in science fiction then what's the point
I really like this take. I think the game will be much better if it has nuance and isn't just propaganda (just cause that's ALWAYS more interesting no matter where the creator lands on the political spectrum) but even if the game houses some more right wing opinions that doesn't mean we should boycott it. You can make fun of the opinions or think it's ridiculous (if it does turn out to push a right wing agenda) without also demanding for it to be canceled. If it doesn't represent what you want and you don't want anything to do with it, don't buy it. If you think it has interesting ideas, even if you personally disagree with them, then buy it. A lot of people asking for the game to get completely canned are pretty hypocritical imo, in the exact way you pointed out. I hope the game can come out no matter what it ends up being, I'll make my mind up about its quality when it's released
Interesting dive into the game's context but you really only talked about the game post-2017 for 4 minutes, only some of which was devlogs. I can go watch the devlogs myself but your title was a bit misleading.
Gamergate was..... when ladies of the night got caught being ladies of the night and made up lies about not being ladies of the night....that's basically gamer Gate.......😁
Finally we had no new information in 2022 and everything indicates that there will be nothing new in 2023...
This game can be stored in the same box as Abandoned and the key thrown away.
A shame.
The reality is MAJORITY of gamers dont give a fuck about Gamergate, feminism or any of that woke ideological leftist crap that VICE puts out.
Gaming is an entertainment industry, focus should always be on the product being put out - hopefully a great game.
thing is, everything is political, even entertainment. Just because something aligns with ur values doenst mean its apolitical. But other than that, yes, the focus should just be on making a great game
First of game while not all of them have ideas not politics
And while in way politics and ideas are overlaped they are not the same
Mybe it got Replaced..
Another game that is never coming out
It’s getting replaced….
Great video. Great research. I've also written off this game, though I do come back to the trailer every time I forget who made the music. (Lorn)
Really happy to see it still in development!
I hope this game will catch the Cyberpunk Edgerunners hypetrain after the fans finish replaying the CP2077. It really should kick in as a mysterious dark horse indie messiah right after CP2077 fans fall in frustration from finishing the current headliner of the genre
Not being into feminism isn't hateful. In fact women's lib seems to have gone into a bad direction since the early 2000"s. Equal pay. Sure. Equal treatment. Yep. Equal athletes...uh..um. I guess if no more women want to win at sports
I think I made my point
it went crazy when it started to refuse basic biology xD
I recently found out I guess I am now a feminist, since I support females only in female sports.
Now trans women want go to women sports
Many indie games developed by one person became a success and they were made with very limited resources and very few announcements. The Last Night, instead, is all about the theatricality of PR and nothing about the product, not even a tiny recent update was published and hopefully we didn't get bamboozled.
Totally biased representation of GamerGate, but otherwise glad this game is being discussed. Tim's cancellation is testimony to what GG was all about. Now, in the M-She-U film properties, you can see what they were trying to avoid.
If this was so bad because of what the game developers perceived stance. Then take a look at FF7. The decision to change the storyline and then feed us a different story. Is mentally frustrating. It’s hard to follow the story. Percentage wise. More people played the original FF7 because of the storyline.
3:28 "I can't say blame them them all that much for that"? "this looks pretty bad"? What? You can't say you don't like feminism now?
All the women in my group throw up when the word feminism is mentioned lmfao
All the real world politics aside, I actually wish this game (engine) was just released so people could make a sandbox world out of the amazing "look" of it. Imagine what modders could do to this?!
Maybe the game was Replaced?
...I'll get my coat! 🤦🏻♂️
It’ll sink…
This was one of the very first hd 2d style games out there, if it would have been released, it would have done well.
wait, there's a discord server?????
Hey Man I like you video and I found it very informative.
I was trying to get some information around this game for a while after it went silent. I almost felt that the world have forgotten about it entirely.
But seeing your news flash really gave me hope again. Thank you for the good work.
Great analysis of the development of this game! It's a shame it went through some tough times but hopefully, the game is on the right track now. I'll never forget that trailer at E3 - just hope they don't get lost in trying to make it overly artistically impressive and focus on the gameplay as a priority.
I had no idea about all of this. So the game will never come out. Thanks.
I can't imagine taking gamergate seriously enough to actually unironically use the phrase "harassment campaign".
It was a harassment campaign
@@reddishcarp1237 No it wasn't. LOL
Still waiting.. sense 2017......... still waiting...
I still remember this game even after all this time. It's a shame the dude got lambasted for his views because it seems the state of game's journalism, and even AAA production, is rampant with exactly what the generally normal people involved with the "hashtag" were going on about to this day, and right in the open.
You got gamergate completely wrong
Skip to 7:40
"People now define themselves by what they consume, not what they create."
"What if the surveillance, bullying, marginalization won’t come from governments but from the Internet?"
...aaand immediately the internet dogpiles him. If it ever comes out, I'll *pre-order* it.
damnn i thought this game already gone.. glad to know that they still doing this!!
i rly wait for this n hollow knight 2.
simple stuff like that can get people so mad at you, jesus how much our world has fallen fr
Why doesn’t anyone try to track down the creator of “ the last night and ask him what Halle ed to the game”?
What was that song at 8:28?
this game comes when it comes but that said in 2022 that was a indy show case that had the last night as a playable demo shown so i would say end of 2023 or as you said diffently 2024 first half the game ain't dead that's for sure Cool you got Tim Soret to comment
Damn you get really butt hurt when your dogma get criticized
I saw some of the gameplay from the original Game Jam version and it looked amazing even back then. The sci fi cyberpunk stuff looked incredible. I could only imagine how good it would be now. Also there aren’t many 2d cyberpunk/blade runner type of games that I’ve found and this looks like a good one. Only other one’s that really caught my attention were Flashback (which is supposed to be getting a new sequel), The Last Night, this really awesome game called Huntdown as well that I really love and maybe the Terminator game back in the day for Sega Genesis/Sega CD. I know there are more but seems very rare that they are made especially nowadays.
Has the game come out?
Excellent video and great convo with the dev!
To no avail.
Glad to see its still in development !!
I was interested in what happened to this game until more or less 4:11. I don;t care anymore and I hope it never comes back lol
1. You speak way too fast.
2. Stop ending every single statement with a rise in your voice. Talk to us, don't ask us questions.
3. You said you wanted to avoid GamerGate 15 minute video in the middle of a 5 minute video about The Last Night. You ended up giving us a 7 minute video about social justice nonsense in the middle of a 4 minute video about The Last Night.
And?
It’s a game. They can say whatever they want regardless of who gets butthurt. It’s a game. Don’t play it. I wonder what game like the GTA series is about. Exactly. Don’t play games you don’t like.
still waiting for Deep Down and EITR. Maybe Alice: Asylum too
There will be 4 different games by the end of 2024 (at least) with this art style released before The Last Night.
They show it aat 2017 E3, dude makes some moron public statements, kills game and now a tiny team is still working on something who's charm will be old hat by the time it drops in...2027?
I'm beyond done with this game.
The premise of this game is what this woke world needs.
That word is used to describe any small inconvenient grievance. It's lost all meaning.
Not true for general population.@@rabd3721
The Last Night was a fantastic idea. Why should every game agree with the corrupt system? Not too long ago these were the game ideas that people loved that had awesome stores and action. It just happened that this time the Evlil corrupt system was the same one ruling at the time. Gamer Gate is and was supported every gamer out there because Gamer Gate is simply a pile of lies told by 1 side who happen to also be the people who get to frame the situation and shape it to be what they deem best fit their cause. The main journos involved are still disgusting people, leading even to a self deletion of a fellow dev based on false sa accusations they later recanted after he was gone...and zero accountability was taken.
AA do you have a video about Replaced? Now Im curious...
PS
Oh nvm you do have a video on Replace.
PPS
Think you can get some update on Replace?
TOP G gunna love this one
What a load of BS. GG was not a harassment campaign. Don’t trust anything this guy says. He lacks honesty and any integrity.
Absolutely wild that a game creator gets haunted and needs to apologize for rightwing opinions. For once a game with a rightwing leaning angle would have been made, but it got harrassed and canceled. Leftism is so despicable.
So a dev is not allowed to have opinions?
5:21 Even from what youve shown in this video I can very clearly see what his values are, so no its really you whose misinformed. Im not surprised about it though. Gamergate was in fact about jounalistic integrity, the journalists that were under attack then started a smear campaign against gamers. That got people angry, which they wanted, because that got some of those idiots sending threats, which they then used as cannonfodder to further their smear campaign. As much as some gamers nowdays love to claim we won that war, unfortuantely we didnt. You here being prove of that. So let us take solace in the fact that they didnt win either. A lot of them did eventually end up losing their jobs because they are in fact sht journalists and no one actually read their garbage. And no self respecting gamer takes games journalist opinions seriously anymore.
Omg this game looks so freaking cool.
i support Tim Soret❤❤❤
bro just said he's pro-egalitarism. wtf
why is this video about fucking politics instead of the game and game news. I dont fucking care about any of that.
Because he has nothing to say about the game.
Dude your carrying on about his Middle ground views on feminism is pathetic.
Can't believe how much Replaced completely copied the visual style of the last night without any attribution.
Not classy at all.
You know that 2 5d was not made by the developers of The Last Night, right? It does not copy from TLN but 2.5D style itself.
And they are different, in light, atmosphere, etc.
@@danya1190 check Rendezvous on steam its lite version of two of both game in discussion XD
@@arvinzayazira3807 can't argue with that. It's like Replaced and TLN combiened and little down graded
SJW’s
What an incredibly shallow and bias opinion.
I was playing it yesterday and I have to say ; Bioshock is a joke.
I want to see the game minus the social justice BS
Heaven forbid you’re not a socialist and have capitalist anti woke views…so sick of cancel culture.
Damn, you really approached this entire thing with nuance and got sad little men in the comments upset because you said gamergate was overall bad lol
Lmao yeah that about sums it up. I mean for God's sake the actual dude whose controversy I'm talking about is in this comments section saying I had a "fair approach" and calmly clarifying his side, and people are still riled up about how I handled it all. Can't please everybody 🤷♂️
@@AsadAnjum Yeah, it's almost like people don't like politics.. when it doesn't align with their own politics
Not only did you not talk about the game, you got the things you did talk about wrong.
This video is a complete waste of time.
“Feminism” sucks
Gamergate was the revealing of how woke activists use games to push their destructive ideology on gamers and then call them bigots for rejecting it. Sweet Baby Inc. is one of the worst grifters that does this.
Poor lil guy has a napoleon complex