Joe Budden Exposes The Music Industry & Labels | "All of Them Are Broke!"
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Soon as I moved to LA I realized artists were broke, film industry too
Me too 💯🎯✨🎯
Same bro. Same. It’s actually disgusting tbh
Bingo
There isn’t any money in the Us like that period yal watch “The Wolf of wall street” when they asked Jordan Belford “What happens if they wanna pull the stock” he said “What money?” That told me alot of this bullshit is an illusion
Drake not broke
Literally damn near EVERY song on various Spotify playlist sounds EXACTLY the same in every genre, except underground Hip Hop.
Remember back day? If QTip made a beat, JuJu from the Beatnuts would have NEVER used the same snare or kick
Including underground hip hop **
@@purplekief8154Everything is fair by Tribe and No Equal by The Beatnuts use the same Drum loop. Try again yute hahaahahaha!!!!!!!!
The music industry did it to themselves by not putting real music out.
Streaming and technology has done the damage. Real music will always be made, there’s just way more bs than ever…
You know nothing at the music industry if that’s what you think.
@@MaxIsBackInTown Are you serious? Stevie Wonder can see how bad things become.
Facts!!
@@clayalston7960 no 🧢 right there fr!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Remember Prince warned us about this years ago.
Prince kinda ruined the message with his greed. He was right to do what he did in the 90s but then turned into a tyrant striking down everything online with his name/music.
@@ginko154 no he's my idol. I simply disagree with how he went about it. He infamously had a video of a toddler dancing to Let's Go Crazy taken off of Facebook.
But he was right for a lot of what he did, like keeping his music off UA-cam. I think he could have done more to give us something on here like his newer music but I respect his choice.
He was very prophetic we just should've listened to him and just started going indie and underground look what happened to TLC Toni Braxton etc.
@@tylerd1297you’re simply mad at him because he kicked a toddler off UA-cam / Facebook because he was dancing to HIS music. You gots to be kidding me! 🥴😂
The bigger picture outweighs a toddler dancing. C’mon now.
@@mikediddyTV no I've followed prince my whole life and gave one example.
I said I disagreed with how he went about it but understood his point of view. Where are you getting that I'm mad?
Times has definitely changed. You don’t need a major label anymore.
That’s what they want you to think back then you didn’t need a label that’s why niggas in Texas got money they sticking to old ways
At all
Need money tho
@@UnseenAsyluM209time to get a job
A lot of artists need it
Streaming Killed Music. Once it became expendable. Where you no longer have to purchase physical copies. Businesses and listeners lost ...
Agreed!
And on top of that you can do it yourself as a independent artist.
@@macverishe3480 I remember back in the day guys were popping open the trunk and selling cds pocketing more money than some rappers.
@@macverishe3480that's killing authentic music if the artist aren't even needed anymore. But maybe this needed to happen to dismantle these labels from their slavery tactics.
@@bigq2696nigga you quoting Nas lyrics and Papoose.
It’s definitely all about having a side hustle Rihanna didn’t become a “billionaire”until she stated a skin care & lingerie line she’s in no rush to put out an album.
Yea but before that she was close to 200 million😂😂 like let’s calm down she was making hella money she stopped music becayse she ain’t inspired
@@jafar1902 do u now the difference between having a billion dollars and having close to 200 million both are rich but it’s a big difference. She stoped music because there’s little money in selling records now.
She said she doesn't put anything out because it won't do better than her biggest album
@@jafar1902Music becomes harder to sell when there is not a physical product, aka CDs, Vinyl, Tape. Especially if it can be illegally downloaded in a second.
@@jafar1902200 million is a ton of money, but noway an artist will make that much now. Physical product don't sell now so, better to move to something that can physically sell better like merch and makeup
Labels did themselves in with their greed. The need to control the market has killed the market. When the entity that owns a monopoly on the market is incompetent, the whole market will crash.
The labels are reactive. They play a part and incentivize the bs however alot of bs artists get on by going “viral” on social media but ultimately the consumers create the market In the internet era and doesn’t know the power of “attention”.
This
Agreed we’ll said
1000%
@@macverishe3480 In my opinion, limiting music to being only on Spotify/Apple/UA-cam ruined music. The need to make a dollar off of every stream ruined music. Strict copyright strikes on UA-cam for creators using music in their videos ruined music. You’ve limited the use of music, you’ve limited its reach, and you’ve lost valuable free promotion. Now nobody really listens to music unless they are in the mood. Podcasts and UA-cam videos have replaced music for me in terms of daily listening because music has pigeonholed itself to that. I can’t even review a song on UA-cam without getting a strike.
Great Hip Hop and RnB music left with the record stores 5:46
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America is done not just hiphop
Bingo U.S is about as great as a backstabbing snake that thinks it's all strong when really is very weak pathetic and ridiculous.
True that fam
I’ve said this for the past ten years…..hip hop died in the late 2000s and American died after the 08 stock market crash…..we been livin on economical life support
@@qtrellx7174 I agree with you and sadly it's only gotten worse just because alot of these award shows have shunned Hip-hop music for decades and I find it funny that last year they acknowledged it 50 years but 50 years of what ?????😒just trash entertainment for poor black people to aspire how sad.
Facts
The mainstream basically pimped Hip-Hop and saturated the market with it until it became played out and everyone got sick of the sound. They aged the genre like a presidential term. I saw this shit coming 10 years ago when blockbuster movie OST's were crammed full of Hip-Hop tracks that didn't even fit with the movie at all. They're moving on to the new cash-cow which is Latin music.
It's a shame that black people need to own their own businesses in the music and entertainment center maybe that's why we need reparations RIght NOW.
Latin music won't have staying power the entire industry is washed
UNDERGROUND RAP IS BACK THANK GOD! BACK TO THE MIX TAPE ERA !
I was thinking the same way. Low intelligence rap garbage is going to go away without easy money funding it.
Maaaan I can’t wait for the gangsta grillz / southern smoke / Michael 5000 watts/ New Jersey devil wave to come back. Let’s get back to the mixtape Wayne 50 jeezy ti krit beenie fab and jada days. When ppl took ppl beats and murk’d em. Remixed songs and shit.
That era was cool, let's go back further to the 90s and DJ Clue mixtapes, Kay Slay, Dj Envy, Green Lantern, etc... when ALL the goats were in their prime.
I'd be on Canal St or 125th twice a week coppin that RON G!!
Aye
Peep his 1st 1991 mixtape
@@mbrown7093y’all should just go back and listen to those tapes instead of expecting it to return lol
A lot of K-Pop artists are American. Asian American rappers that didn’t pop here, go back overseas and get bread. Snacky Chan was an Indie, Backpack rapper in the states but became a K-Pop artist in Korea. Chinese wise, Jin didn’t pop in America so he went to Hong Kong and got paid.
Africans too
A lot of Uk/usa artists suddenly embrace their African roots because they want to go viral in the afrobeats trend with African artists and tap into the TikTok dance base
That makes sense I couldn't figure out why the k pop artist don't sound Korean.
jin is not k-pop.
@@KA-yk7cz Hence why I said “Chinese wise”
Cause that’s what DaBeautifulKey is doing !
How is there American K-pop when K-pop is a bad imitation of American pop in the first place 😂😂
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One thing K Pop has over American artists in any genre is performance. They know how to dance. All American artists do is shake their ass. Rappers just jump around on stage they don't do anything.
I actually miss going to the store in Tuesdays to buy CDs.
The streaming services don’t have the same quality of music that CDs provide.
Yep, they stopping ninjas from getting paid with rap/hip hop. Time to take control and start making cds and start back selling them out the trunk or getting a website and sell your music from there. And once you establish that, STAY AWAY from those record labels. DO YOUR OWN THANG!!
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You know they stopped making CDs we just got to get out here and use Word of Mouth to keep money coming in
Cd baby still makes cds@@tonylove1275
Hot take from Joe but I see it, artistry and talent isn't important, streaming and virality is to labels. Look at the quality of music last year
That's the plan
Duh
Facts
Last five years
“Hot take” 😂😂😂 artistry and talent was NEVER important to the music BUSINESS. As long as it sells, they will sell it. This ain’t new smart guy.
The one thing that Joe is ABSOLLUTELY right on here is the fight between UMG and TikTok - the number of acts stranded on UMG and all of their subsidiaries that just lost the promo mechanism that the industry has been aggressively telling them THAT is what they must do to get the kids (and god help you if you built your audience there)... it's already impacting the charts en masse and it's going to leave a lot of acts "underperforming" when in reality it's far from their fault.
It’s funny, because the labels definitely invested in killing independent acts on SoundCloud by signing the untalented ones and then made the next decade of acts think they needed major labels again.
I've been saying this for a while now. Everybody and they momma going on tour. Beyonce not making no music videos no more. If she goes back on tour with the next then I'm really convinced.
@@missmarionlewis No music video, because she can make a doc and sell it making more money. Be it through a streaming platform (Netflix, Disney, Prime - past partners) or through theaters
I love these conversations because I feel the JBP and to an extent Akademicks are the only ones giving it up on the music industry like this.
Why did you add the to an extent with AK, because AK is the most in depth when it comes to the music industry.
Ak is the OG when it comes to industry content
Facts
Lmaooo
Yupp
I remember SchoolBoyQ said he makes more money golfing.
There is nothing new under the sun. Support independent artists, they are the ones with the creativity in there genes because of passion.
Nothing has been original in a very long time and I mean going back to the 1800’s. Music is constantly recycled, has been for generations, nothing necessarily wrong with that but I also think it’s over saturated, it’s too easy, accessible to do music now, SO much content being thrown out it just makes you want to listen to your small circle of artists and that’s it.
Independent artist have been supported highly on TikTok. People always say to “support independent artists” but if people do not know who they are-how are we suppose to support them. Independent artists need to find a way to market their music for people to listen to…
@@msbeautyboss3784 It’s not my problem to figure that out. It’s in the artist best interest to find an effective way to promote their art. Word of mouth is still very effective. Not everything needs instant gratification, because the downside of that is whatever the art is holds no weight and people will move on to the next thing.
Take your time, better your craft, let whatever is outside of your control fly. That’s it.
@@msbeautyboss3784 tiktok never supported independent artists.
Prince called it! God rest his soul.
Being part of the music industry must be HELL
And they wonder why chance the rapper never signed.
It is helll.....most rappers are dead or in jail
@@GEVINCHYGAMEZ To bad there's not enough real ones.
This was a good take. I think artist made the most money from 2003 to 2012. Any artist that were new solo artist during those time periods probably still have a lot of money (like bey, ye, drake, Adele, Rihanna, Bieber, etc)
No they didn’t. Most money was made up until 1999.
Great time for the independent artists.
Being able to come up from any Online streams has affected the game across the board
Customers’ taste change every 7-10 years. New times 🤷🏾♂️
Nah it’s what’s forced upon ppl like y’all still don’t get it
I'd say 3-5yrs but either way, your overall message is spot on.
@@devindt77 no it’s not damn tell me at least you don’t vote ?? Do you??
@@jerrylanes8354it’s both. Look into the history of rock and roll and the same thing happened. It started as slightly rebellious music and by the 80’s you had druggies running the mainstream like Motley Crue. After that came the sound change. It got heavier and became metal all the way to the point that it sounds like mindless screaming. Rap started sounding like mindless mumbling. To each their own of course. My point here is that musical waves as a whole go through different stages. It’s like a living thing and is always growing and changing.
@@ArteDelDiablo chuck berry wasn’t singing about drugs 🤣🤣🤣 and no it wasn’t rebellious smh it’s what them ppl behind the curtain tell y’all what y’all wanna hear come on now you think ppl knew what drill was?? Stop it it’s all about agendas your government wants you to do something y’all slow asses do it ppl can’t think for themselves they need to be told what to think that’s why religion is so big y’all ppl swear y’all know something until truth comes out truth trumps fact anyday all day
I came up on lil Wayne , ludacris , Mario , kid cudi , The dubstep faze (also kid cudi) , linkin park, ne-yo, G unit , UGK , Nipsey hussle , early drake , T.I. , Jason Derulo , Trey Songz, Lloyd , OutKast, 2 pac , biggie, mob deep , 3 6 mafia, Afro man , tommy wright ll , and the list goes on, all these artists had completely different styles, then soulja boy and Chief keep came and took people to a new sound that was good at first but also the beginning of the end and they are part of the reason we are here today and all the old heads complained and warned us and here we are, I don’t even listen to music anymore when I’m driving and when I am I’m dam near forcing myself to listen to shit I have to back to old music just to enjoy it and I’m still in my 20s and already feel like an old head
I wanna know were was parks wen DR UMAR came on the show 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
He got the hint that day.
Chuck Barry! OMG! I was screaming at my screen 😂😂
😂 on god , i feel like the man know exactly who joe was talking bout
its happening in the clothing business also.
What's goin on with the clothing industry... how is it happening there?
I like those Balenciaga's, the ones that look like socks.. the ones now on fashion nova. Then there's Shein v She By Sherie. Then there's aftermarket people like Dapper Dan. The labels making screwy deals would be like Crisp by Yoshi if You've seen How to Make it in America. Trash brands that get pumped on IG mostly by women would be like the Ice Spice of clothing. Nike been blowing out sneakers since Zion last year in college but Nike can't fail because LEAGUES would fail so it gets pumped. Them Devin Bookers is fire tho, said nobody ever.
@@themofomayor lmao exactly my point. No true originality anymore. And now there's this misleadingly "positive" dialogue being pushed about no one being original therefore it's ok to bite off the next person's original work and deliberately to no credit. It's getting nasty out here and in all forms of art.
@@VikktorVampiir thrifting
FACTS I thought I was the only one that noticed
I see they watched French Montana sit down with DJ Clue 😭.
Nah, they didn't have to... Anyone who loves the music been understood this stuff
Another problem is ppl think clout and followers equals more streams
I don’t like cover songs…we need new lyrics about different topics
Imma be that guy
I like then as a means of displaying ability, not generating profit.
Lmfaoooo was that the blazing squad 😂😂😂😂
Yh it was Blazin’ Squad loooooooool
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Mel is fire.
This was a good conversation
no TF she isn’t. maybe you’re taking about when she gets up.
Money is in SYNC music (for ads, movies, radio etc) that’s the direction I’m trynna go in😴 yes to artistry but bills and holidays gotta get paid…
There might be money in sync licensing but it's not that easy to make a full-time living.
It's still competitive to get top placements. I make music for sync and I have been paid. I collect royalties but I still work another job. The most I made in a year has been 6k.
that's still pretty impressive, but I do agreee, that field too is competitive...@@beatbuildersstudio
Nothing but facts
Parks get it on this one. Good point about covers
I’d like to see & her more from Parks
Nah, all this will do is steal the culture/music from black Americans (who created the foundation for most of the popular genres) and NOT pay them because they got horrible deals in the first place. They're already trying to say that Koreans created hip hop, believe it or not.
I’m glad Parks is getting more video time. I respect his contribution to this pod. Dude dropped knowledge with the royalties input.
Almost thought boy was Vlad 😂
This is why im goin to continue to grow 🪴 more Independent be my own Boss gettin my own Big Bag 💰 own everything of mine Cut tha Middleman off create & signed my own label soon💯
as a music publisher, the biggest market for business opportunities is outside of the US, Latin America my guys are booking 5 to 6 shows a month and UA-cam and SoundCloud is the biggest markets to get exposed to easy money. granted pps is lower but it balances out
Joe i like this show better than the old podcasters. Could i be apart of live audience one day
The sad truth! Thanks Joe for bringing this talk to the forefront!
It’s all y’all fault! Y’all let rap artists go super sonic on autotune and call it a hit! Im still a boom bapper but it’s gotta be good!
Exactly. Even letting Rick Ross slide being a fake and Drake being Disney and manufactured
This highly under looked!!
@kungfufemafam9216 lol how is drake manufactured?
Pretty sure this is more about physical vs digital sales
boom bap is trash
Streaming platforms took over because it became too difficult in the technology age to protect the content. Technology continues to advance. What many miss while still relying on distribution platforms is that it is becoming more possible to protect your own content. You will see more artist going direct to consume in more creative way and you will see a new age version of the mixtape era and eventually some blockchain platform where mechanical royalties can be distributed instantaneously will come to knock off the giants
Exactly!
Damn it seems like we’re in the dark ages again with Hip-Hop and rap. K-pop was hella niche in the early to mid 2010s now it has become more popular. Artists in South Korea are making hella bread.
This is great! Now that the money gone the artistry might come back but it gotta lay low for a few
The song you played was from a 90s UK pop band who were signed to Rocafella
This is what you get when you:
- Depend on audiences and big tech to control who gets seen and keep following trends (algorithms) instead of creating them
- Dont develop, sign, and invest in strong talent that will last for decades
- Make terrible deals with platforms that give horrible payouts for streams
In the end, if the artists arent having a good time, eventually nobody will. Word will get out, the talent will figure it out and eventually leave the table. Also, influencers have been a bug in the system that takes that attentioj away from potential musical talents
Hip Hop isn't dead.
But Hip Hop on major labels is completely done.
Artists have been covering each other's songs for years! It's only really shunned in Hip Hop because rap is supposed to be about authenticity!
It shunned in rap cuz rap ain't like singing. Performing a difficult song that requires vocal range is alot different from just repeating words in your voice
Now I can see it to display a certain ability like if you can keep up wit Twista/busta word for word but at the end of the day you're more likely to be recruited as an auctioneer than a musician/artist.
There's really no artistry in covering a rap song. You have to actually sing to cover other genres which is the artistry/talent/craft.
We need original lyrics and compositions!
I don't think there is much left. Over the past 60 years, musical genres and instrumentation evolved so much and so fast that there are no new sound pallets.
NAS is still killing it
Whitney sang I will always love you and it made big bank for Dolly Parton because it was her song originally.
You kno Dolly can't sing like Whitney give credit to the writer
This is why they’re buying all these rappers catalogs so they can recycle their lyrics with these ai rappers
But at some point music listeners are gonna get tired of recycled material.
So when everyone was going into selling their catalogs and rights, no one saw this coming?
Facts lol I agree all day with Joey
Where yall get that black Charlie Brown from?
Whitney Houston (RIP) made a bunch of cover songs, including "I Will Always Love You" by Dolly Parton. Cover music is like re-releasing Jordan models in different color ways; very profitable if the consumer loves it.
Tennessee whiskey- Chris Stapleton is a cover song i would have never heard those lyrics without that mans voice
Whitney covered songs with enough differences from the originals to make them worth covering. Also, the internet did not exist at the height of Whitney's career, so it was possible to release a cover without every single person hearing it knowing about it and comparing it to the original.
Probably reason why American artists are collaborating with UK Artist a lot more than in the past. Initially UK artists created their own lanes expanding through out Africa, most European countries and Australia not relying on Labels.
About the music industry, the best thing that could happen to artists today would be an app that let you register your name as a label, so upon registration in the app, you the "artist" is the brand and become automatically your own label, allowing you to keep all your publishing, all your masters, and all your royalties. Everything you create you own, making the major record labels completely obsolete for the music industry we know today and for all future generations to come.
SOUNDS GREAT UNTIL YOU LEARN THE LLC SCAM
That’s why, even after all these years, I still listen to immortal technique daily. Hes the goat
NO lies and touring is definitely done if they're signed to a 360.
Soon as the 360 deal and mixtapes got big, I knew it was a problem
Joe says all the artists are broke and aren’t making any money from music 0:02 but then says that he doesn’t know if this is true because he can’t get the information from the top though 0:22 He just contradicted himself in 20 seconds . Joe will say anything for clickbait! 😱😱😱😱😱
I mean duh? Dude literally admits that he says whatever.
The funniest part of this was when he said "something bad is gonna happening, I don't know when, but it will happen."
He's basically the hiphop equivalent to a cable news host.
It’s common sense
A song is split up by
Song writer
artist
Artist manager
Lawyer fees
Label gets a cut
Marketing budget
Videos
And the artist has to recoup it from
.003 of a penny
It’s just not enough pie to split anymore
Completely skipped over the fact that he said "I think". He already told you he doesn't know, there's no contradiction
@@Daniel-wv7lj Did you read the title of this video? He basically says that "all of them (artists) are broke" 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
This topic is probably one of or the most important topic discussed ever. U guys touched on something really 🔥🔥🔥 and they don’t like it. If u were hoping we share this, no luck. FB banned this vid. You’ll have to settle for a like.
I don’t either
What's the name of the music genre that the uk artists are singing 90sR&B? I GOTTA HEAR THIS ISH!
Rihanna is a great example of that, that’s why she been gone when she realized where the money is at .
She's not a rapper, plus nobody trying to hear Rhianna in 2024. 😂
@@louio they are talking about the music industry just like the title, not rap industry only. People still listen to Beyonce, the only reason they are not listening to Rihanna is because she stopped singing.
It's been like this for a while hasn't it?
Get a deal. Tour. Market products outside of music. Repeat.
No-one really buys music anymore, streaming made sure of that.
Basically like the housing market/ bubble burst in 2008-2009
Parks right on the money, Luther giving us them joints, man even Usher and Lil Jon with Lovers and Friends, covers are great, unless you not the writer
I think the better question is how can we be innovative while using AI as a tool to get what we want. We at heart are creative beings so it’s like let’s pivot and think of a creative way to use AI
The lack of knowledge towards covers in music... is uncomfortable
Artists like Spitta and Larry June are getting to the bag for sure, but as they already said indi artists are exempt. The indi artists actually have organic core fanbases that will go to their shows, buy merch and consume their music on a consistent basis. A lot of these mainstream label signed artists don’t have really have any of the above, so they will inevitably fail once their labels stop propping them up.
About 2/3 of all country songs are covers. That's interesting how that's happening with 90s R&B
The landscape of rap has shifted significantly, with a noticeable emphasis on constant dissing and confrontational lyrics. This approach has left many feeling fatigued and yearning for a more evolved form of expression. Where are the days of Lauryn Hill's soulful storytelling or the uplifting narratives akin to "Jesus Walks"? Moreover, the camaraderie of group rap songs seems to have dwindled, replaced by a trend towards sampling without much originality.
Perhaps it's time for a return to the basics: rich instrumental productions and albums that delve into deep conceptual themes. We crave tracks that uplift and inspire rather than perpetuate conflict. The era of incessant dissing feels outdated; it's time for rap to embrace a new era of authenticity and creativity.
European pop is a perfect example of this. I listened to this stuff years ago and I was like "it all sounds the same"
Hearing this argument created a lightbulb moment for me….could THIS (the potential future of just producing song covers) be the reason people are paying premiums NOW to buy artists’ catalogs? Bc they know it will pay off greatly down the road as the trend shifts to song covers? 🤔
So it's safe to say Jay was ahead of the game.
What do you mean?
???
Jermaine Dupree has been saying this for 20 years!!!! No one paid him any mind. He said they going digital and they killing love artist. I’ll never forget it
@@TheWrapUpNYC oh ok.
Nah, he’s just gatekeeping the game n still getting got just not as much as us
Covering songs is like sampling…it’s a good thing and everyone makes money
It’s crazy because I grew up never thinking about making money selling albums or streams. Always thought about just capitalizing off of my notoriety.
You're notoriously unknown 🤣😂😭
8:04 I've heard this somewhere once before the Elvis stole music I don't know how true that is but I did hear that I'm from Memphis and I did hear that I think it's sort of like the comedians with Katt Williams was talking about if somebody can take your material and get big before you do then I guess that's the norm. I do music that's a very well happen to me. I think it's one of the lowest things you can do to a person though.
Welp… that explains the beef
I am a musician. I work hard and I’m going to create a record label combined with technology to help solve this problem
Agreed
This the first time i saw parks not wearing all black lol
They’re definitely fixing to start taking our music from the 90’s and put a 🧑🤝🧑 face on it. Thats why they started buying up all those artist publishing a few years ago.
It's Sad this is where we're at.... SMDH
Na Ai will never replace people I think we deserve a bit more credit than that 😂
Parks needs to start his own side podcast where he has in-depth talks about the industry.
I'd tune in
It's going back to us in different way we the ones they need us we don't need them
I feel like we're all just waiting for the bomb to go off...in general
5:18 who is that 😂
The music industry has been fading hard since the late 90s.
parks getting camera time now..oh aite
Bringing up the UK pop acts redoing those songs had no business being in this conversation, that was all done in the 90’s it’s not new 🤦🏿♂️
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