What about his hypocrisy of the situation when he was dating Cyn when she was 21 and he was 33 and he dated Kaylin Garcia when she was 20 and he was 30. Does he consider himself a predator or groomer? 🤔
M Ford dropped the ball with this take. Joe had every reason to be heated at her for pandering instead of calling out Draya for the obvious predatory behavior.
@@andref9663 so if the gender was reverse its okay right? That's why everyone is mad. It isn't the age lol. Its that women never get called out but men do
It happens all the time flipped and you men don't complain so don't complain when it's a woman. I thought women after 35 was washed up to y'all why do y'all care
@@ronnie6696 we just want y’all to keep the same energy, plus we don’t care about them f-ing but for her to go try to have his baby. We know what that is, she trying to get a bag in child support because that is coming. Also don’t let this one incident trick you into thinking all women her age can get lucky. However you know what let all the older women try more power to them and good luck.
Agree, she is the weakest on the podcast, sits too much on the fence on certain topics, she is too concerned about being cancelled and getting backlash.
Wrong. The first thing she said, which was intelligent BTW, is that it is speculation right now. We don't know anything. The problem is that she is surrounded by overly emotional men, with a possible exception given to light skin boy, who wanted to trap her in a corner and force her to give a response that they would give.
Damn I was just rey rant how this is not true than I had to sit back and think and tbh damn alot of them are cause I could never date a man my mom's age but I for a fact that she could a guy my age smh and tbh I literally just went through my mom getting upset that her YOUNG husband was in my room having a genuine conversation. And I truly was so confused and hurt cause how are u mad we are conversing we family. But now reading ya comment help me realize she is Inscure cause she thinks he might look at me but I would never look at u. She got so mad at me and I told her she was sick and that I'm her daughter she apologized like 3 days later but it just proved your point that these mom are competing against they daughter for men
OMG! I was equally as frustrated with Mel as Joe was. WTF was she babbling about? Dancing around the question like crazy. Thanks for calling her out Joe.
CALL HER OUT!!! I am 27 yrs old and dating a dude around my little brother’s age is HELLA WEIRD! Especially if you grew up around them and see how they act even if they THINK THEY ARE GROWN they have childish tendencies.
You’re right… though, men of all ages be having childish tendencies. The options are sub par which to Draya meant I might as well find one with money attached to the foolery. It’s not looking good out here for anyone who dates men tbh.
@@theescapetrixShe Doesn't speak for Alll women Just like how those men Don't speak for Alll men Y'all Needa Stop watching these ppl and thinking they Leaders or something Y'all Following ppl? Ppl Shouldn't be idolized
What I said lmao. She was quick to call out cam and mase going to see prostitutes. Now she is stuttering in the brain over a 39 year old used up woman (known 304), who's not able to secure a man in her age range to entrap.
If Draya was a man, I dont think Melissa would be stalling to answer. And her answer would definitely not be that "the young woman is with the man she chooses".
@@piabernal6983that's not the point. They are pointing out the clear double standard. If he was a 21 year old woman, folks would be calling her a child compared to a 40 year old man.
@@piabernal6983that isn’t the point in Joe’s outrage. The point isn’t REALLY whether or not this is considered predatory. That’s an overall argument, but not the point. The point is that Mel will call a man a predator for this but hesitates when calling a woman one.
Dawg omg, I would like to think she doesn’t realize how much she deflects, but my lord its annoying. I be screaming “Just please formulate your own opinion without this group think tactic!”
Because if you haven't noticed most of the time she speaks her mind and holds her stance they wanna battle and attack her over it so she's learned from that and unfortunately has become very guarded when talking on this pod compared to when she first came on
@KaiSwisssh1 I agree and sometimes Ish and all flip apparently did at the end was prove Mel's point by talking about Leo DiCaprio's dating life and how he dates younger girls throwing in the word grooming when attempting to make his point.
It's not grooming but it's predatory. Grooming would mean that she knew him as a minor and then groomed him to be her future baby daddy. Doesn't change the fact that she's a creep for this.
@@704jizzle2 unless they've been dating for over three years, then it doesn't matter if she knew of him. Again, it doesn't negate the fact that she is definitely a predator.
To me it’s no problem because he’s an adult . Problem is when it’s a man and younger woman everybody will look down on the man but not give the same energy to a cougar or old chick that mess with a young dude. And the young girl has options more than likely to mess with a dude her age but no she chooses the older dude because of the money and resources
Mel seriously doesn’t add anything to any conversation the fact that you have to probe her for her opinion is wild , form your own opinion and speak to that.
She is a predator. if this was a 40 year old man and a 21 year old woman, people would be losing their shit. The thing is, what makes her a predator is the fact that 1. the man is 21, his brain hasn't fully developed yet and 2. she went after him with the intent to trap him. She's done this before with Orlando Scandrick who was an NFL player, this isn't even her first time doing this.
If she met him when he was underage, it's definitely grooming. If she met him at 21 unfortunately it's not grooming but it is absolutely distasteful and crazy.
The fact that he had to fix the question like that in order for her to answer is crazy. The way people over look older women being the groomer of younger men is sick.
The bar for intelligent black women must be low AF. Because this woman is considered to be smart by people in your community. You should be ashamed of this reality.
I am so glad that men are having this conversation! I would never talk to a 21 year old….I am talking about me! It’s weird!!! He is a kid!!! My son is 30 and I would have a fit if a woman my age in their 50’s talk to my son! I would loose it!!! Just nasty!!! 🤮
Is it because he’s your child (I ask because I know some who are just not okay with it when it comes to their own family for protection reasons which is valid but some support it with others when it’s ppls own kiddos they always seem them as their babies and not always as adults doing adult things that they may or may not be ready for)? As someone in their 50’s would you date someone closer to 70? Just wondering like is there an age gap that works? Is 10 years okay? But if 10 is okay is 20? I’ve only involved myself with someone who was a lot older once. I feel like I had more brain cells than they did but to someone else I was a dumb kid so idk. My mom and I never talked about what’s too old really. Just when I was in middle school and high school.
I understand what you’re saying. But 30 is a full grown ass man. His brain is fully developed. He has experience in the real world. He has experience paying bills and hopefully emotional maturity. It’s 100% not the same
Melyssa Ford would've had a different answer if it was a man. She had A LOT to say about Leonardo Dicaprio but as soon as she's asked about a woman her past extremely hinders her opinion. Its sad how much she panders to females 😭
She woulda gave a complete & ran on sentence of an answer had Joe ALREADY AGREED TO ADD UP TO 25OK iN 'COSMETIC SURGERY' ANNUALLY TO HER MEDICAL COVERAGE AKA N0T MEDICAID🔜💉BuDDenAid🩹
Thank you for getting on Mell for her bs. Tired of her wasting segments ducking by playing stupid while y'all spend the whole segment explaining the title of the segment to her!!!🙎🏿♂️🙎🏿♀️🤷🏿♂️🤦🏿🤦🏿♀️🤦🏿♂️ She be terrified of backlash 🙄
I'm a man and I agree with her. This is not predatorial neither is it grooming. They're both adults for starters and if her mentality was to try to trap him with a baby to secure the bag, then there is no age limit to that type of thinking. Chics around his age, 5, 10, 15 yrs older also will line up to do the the same given his status and wealth. Even kids know what the potential consequences are when u have unprotected sex.
The sad part is, if she had smoke for Marques Houston how in the world she quiet on this situation and low-key constantly trying to change the subject the whole time…ppl like that shouldn’t have a voice to the masses
This clip is proof that todays women avoid accountability! Mel avoided the question in so many ways that she will be embarrassed to re watch this again 🤣😂
she will not be embarrassed. the lack of accountability she showed in ducking the question is the same energy she will use to justify her taking her stance. this was a pathetic display of objectivity and common sense.
thank you for saying this. As a person who was molested by their own father from the age of four I know what grooming is, and I know what grooming at and what people are using that time to meet is exactly not what the fuck it means. If a man is 45 and a woman is 20 pregnant by him, nobody saying that he grooming her the end. Stop throwing that out. A man can be 75 be dating a woman who is 25 while he has children that are 45 and 55 and maybe his kids don’t like it but it is ultimately accepted within the male race so y’all need to get off of women trying to give a whole Nother damn standard.
finally someone with sense, folks are now using words in the wrong terms on purpose to punish or put a person in a negative light, calling grooming when you have two adults in a relationship, then you have women now calling situations sexual assult/rape if they consent to sexual acts with other adults then regret it later years down the line. Or a man cat calling a women sexual harassement/assault. Sadly this hurt the real victims of REAL sexual assult/rape. This is now turned into a clown show about suing for money or revenge. Its now about feelings and not about the action done or consent. We literally have laws in place about what is the age of adulthood and its age of 18 as the highest in all of the world. Folks now trying to turn it about morals and feelings, yes you may not approve if your father is 70 dating a 25 year old but they are both adults trying to turn it into a moral issue will never work because were talking about two adults. So people try to project their own moral standards on to other people, you even had one women in the comment section saying the guy was groomed and 22 is not grown.
@@shootah_mcgaven3424I assume he’s referring to how Nike recruits these top athletes at a young age in H.S. off “potential” to eventually represent the brand in the pros. Predatory women are essentially doing the same thing recruiting and trapping young professional athletes who are on track to earn supermax contracts, by having their baby.
3:52 Mel is 100% right about the term Grooming. Grooming applies to MINORS!!!!! Not grown adults. Yes 21 is still young and minds are under developed but MINORS under 18 years old are a specific class of protected people as CHILDREN!!!!!! Grooming does not apply to adults for a specific reason. Draya is not grooming this man because he is an ADULT! Could she be taking advantage of him? Sure but Grooming does not apply in this situation.
Y'all are playing word games and know exactly what is being said. She has called it grooming before regarding Leonard DiCaprio. Joe asked her at 4:50 is she a predator and she still didn't answer. In the end it's predatory behavior by far.
Y'all weren't mad about Leo but y'all mad about draya. Y'all are hypocrites calling her out for being a hypocrite yes y'all defended Leonardo so why not defend draya? I thought women over 35 was washed up and she has a child by another man. All the things y'all say devalues a woman and yet she caught a big fish. Stop listening to fresh and fit and Kevin Samuels. Aaliyah was groomed not this grown man who is well over the age of 18
@@ronnie6696I'm not trying to play Devil's Advocate and I know you're just going to deflect what I'm saying, butt in your opinion when a man is 40 years old and he goes with a 20 year old women why is he called a predator and that he couldn't get a woman in his own age group and that he's a manipulator he's disgusting , in grooming her but when a 40 year old woman does exactly the same thing in reverse going with a 20-year-old man why isn't the energy the same? How I look at it is they are all adults, and they are all legal making conscious decisions I just know and understand that it's not going to be judged and looked at entirely exactly the same because there are a bias that most people don't want to talk about
she gives an accurate dumb blonde take. Tries to come off as super intelligent and barely knows anything they’re talking about. She better than flip tho
This is what the kids call *GASLIGHTING* (another overused word) Why did ISH have to invoke her SON, for her to finally denounce this woman’s actions?? Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss. That’s all these women do. It’s actually insane
THANK YOU JOE!!!! Thank you for holding Mel accountable. I’m sick and tired of her girl code hypocrisy and BS! She and other women do it ALL THE TIME and it’s freakin annoying!
If this was a 39 year old man and a 21 year old woman, they would be giving the man high five’s!!!!!!!! Why is it so different when it’s a mature woman dating a younger man??? She’s not doing anything different than what men do EVERY DAY!!!
Melissa really made me mad in this episode! Why tf was it so hard to just say the obvious!! If Draya was a man, Mel would have a lot to say! She would have called him a perv, said he was grooming her, called him a predator!!! This was so hard to watch! SMH very sad what she did here! She stuck her head in the sand like an ostrich and played dumb! She knew what they were asking
@@ReallyGotMotionlevels to it ... she is in her 40s ... seasoned yet ... dude barely hit his 20s ... Similac ring still on his mustache ... alcohol ... seduction ... riding him without a rubber ... 9 months later ... let's keep it a stack please ...
Let's be clear. Dudes seem to hate when women date younger, and women seem to hate when men date younger. How about everyone just stay within 12 years of their age.
I think that’s what they were referring to when they said Draya has a bag but not a $300 million dollar bag. Getting pregnant secures the bag. That’s what they’re saying
Mel really showed her true colors bsing so long before getting to an actual answer. She definitely tried to protect draya as long as she possibly could. Shes a bird. I’m glad everyone called her out on her bs and hypocrisy
I can't pretend to care about what two grown strangers are doing. Also, we've constantly tried to tell young people the dynamics of these relationships and why they might not be appropriate but they've decided that they know more than us and do what they want anyway. As long as both people are adults, I wish them the best.
I'm glad Joe held Mel on her bs. She is way too intelligent to not understand what they were asking of her!
Tru, she knows a great deal when it’s $2000 and a bathroom is close by
She understood she just full of shii😊
She’s definitely played dumb on purpose. If this was a man she woulda been on his ass
You wild 😂
Mel still missing benzinos banana 🍌
Salute to Joe for calling Melissa on her hypocrisy and for being afraid to say anything against the Sistahood.
They need to fire her because she is not it when it comes to holding women accountable.
Long as he stands on his hypocrisy’s lol
She agreed with Joe 2 times….. did I watch a different video.
@@peaceequality8580right bc he was too old to be messing with the Garcia girl but hey.
What about his hypocrisy of the situation when he was dating Cyn when she was 21 and he was 33 and he dated Kaylin Garcia when she was 20 and he was 30. Does he consider himself a predator or groomer? 🤔
Joe: Is this grooming?
Melissa: What's his contract?
That issshhh was f'ng crazy yo
that was crazy but that's how they mind works fr
The fact it took her 7 minutes to denounce the inappropriateness of the situation is crazy…
7 minutes of stalling is insane
Thanks for saving me from wasting my time. Mel full of 💩
Right but she jumped out the window on camron and mase
M Ford dropped the ball with this take. Joe had every reason to be heated at her for pandering instead of calling out Draya for the obvious predatory behavior.
Everytime. That’s why I don’t want her on the show. I get they want more women to watch but she stays doing this
So she calls Camron a predator with no evidence or reason why. And now that the shoes on the other foot you do this… smh
Daaaamn that's a great point
Cam should go Ham
I hope Cameron sees this😆
Part of the reason he was justified in going in on her like he did but so many neutered men today were quick to simp for Mel
S/O to the Dips ❤🤍💙🦅🥂🥇🎖🏆🏅🗽🗿🗺💎🇺🇸
She wasn’t going to speak out against it because if given the opportunity she would probably do it too, and thinks it’s ok.
Because there is no major issue with it. Unless he met her when he was underage.
@@andref9663 🎯🎯🎯🎯
@@andref9663 so if the gender was reverse its okay right? That's why everyone is mad. It isn't the age lol. Its that women never get called out but men do
@@andref9663it’s the fact that she has a son the same age as
And this is why I find Mel so asinine. If this was flipped Mel would have a 30 minute argument with Ish.
Exactly!
It happens all the time flipped and you men don't complain so don't complain when it's a woman. I thought women after 35 was washed up to y'all why do y'all care
and they literally call those men groomers. Draya is a bird and a groomer@@ronnie6696
Women are narcissist by nature and will support pther women doing dirt because they all do dirt together thats facts
@@ronnie6696 we just want y’all to keep the same energy, plus we don’t care about them f-ing but for her to go try to have his baby. We know what that is, she trying to get a bag in child support because that is coming. Also don’t let this one incident trick you into thinking all women her age can get lucky. However you know what let all the older women try more power to them and good luck.
I love Mel. But if she can’t discuss women issues that sometimes aren’t positive than Joe needs to replace her.
Agree, she is the weakest on the podcast, sits too much on the fence on certain topics, she is too concerned about being cancelled and getting backlash.
Yep 🔥her ass
Going hard on her but not holding the same standards for Joe! Relax
She is 👩woman! This is what you get, when you let em out the kitchen 🍽🧂🍴🍳🥄
FACTS
The first thing Melissa Ford wants to know is his contract. (About money)But that wasn’t the question.
Her eggs are dried up
Wrong. The first thing she said, which was intelligent BTW, is that it is speculation right now. We don't know anything. The problem is that she is surrounded by overly emotional men, with a possible exception given to light skin boy, who wanted to trap her in a corner and force her to give a response that they would give.
Contract was MF question SAD!
I’m a woman…
And Mel is full of it.
Indeed
Amen!
Absolutely 💯
I agree
Absolutely!
Just like Kevin Samuels said. Mothers are competing against their daughter's for the same men.
Damn I was just rey rant how this is not true than I had to sit back and think and tbh damn alot of them are cause I could never date a man my mom's age but I for a fact that she could a guy my age smh and tbh I literally just went through my mom getting upset that her YOUNG husband was in my room having a genuine conversation. And I truly was so confused and hurt cause how are u mad we are conversing we family. But now reading ya comment help me realize she is Inscure cause she thinks he might look at me but I would never look at u. She got so mad at me and I told her she was sick and that I'm her daughter she apologized like 3 days later but it just proved your point that these mom are competing against they daughter for men
Draya doesn't have a daughter.
Says the man who died in from Red Bull and Viagra 🫤
Draya doesn’t have a daughter. And even if she did this statement still holds absolutely no value or validity to the situation
@@nillamcc3532yes it does wtf I can’t stand when y’all act naive too shìt
Melissa is doing it too. See how quiet and guilty she look.
How old is her man??
Yup
@@XxMercuriiXx they said she dated drake when he was in his 20's
OMG! I was equally as frustrated with Mel as Joe was. WTF was she babbling about? Dancing around the question like crazy. Thanks for calling her out Joe.
CALL HER OUT!!! I am 27 yrs old and dating a dude around my little brother’s age is HELLA WEIRD! Especially if you grew up around them and see how they act even if they THINK THEY ARE GROWN they have childish tendencies.
How old is your little brother.
Im assuming 18 @@chandamccullum5591
@@chandamccullum5591 he is 23 years old
Stop it he has a whole career, and pays taxes votes and can drink, he's a whole adult, infantilizing people is not gonna change that
You’re right… though, men of all ages be having childish tendencies. The options are sub par which to Draya meant I might as well find one with money attached to the foolery. It’s not looking good out here for anyone who dates men tbh.
Her lack of accountability for women is not surprising
Exactly
Accountability? She isn't the one dating Jalen lol.
@@asmrdate the accountability is either saying yes its cool or no its not okay. With Marquez she didn't have that energy
That's just Her tho
Other women Don't share the Same views
@@theescapetrixShe Doesn't speak for Alll women
Just like how those men Don't speak for Alll men
Y'all Needa Stop watching these ppl and thinking they Leaders or something
Y'all Following ppl?
Ppl Shouldn't be idolized
Mel couldn't answer cuz that some shit she would do 😂😂😂
What I said lmao. She was quick to call out cam and mase going to see prostitutes. Now she is stuttering in the brain over a 39 year old used up woman (known 304), who's not able to secure a man in her age range to entrap.
Big facts💯😭
100% FACTSSS
EXACTLY what I was thinking....
Exactly
Even after Mel gets called out for hypocrisy, she still can't twist her mouth to say the right thing.
If Draya was a man, I dont think Melissa would be stalling to answer. And her answer would definitely not be that "the young woman is with the man she chooses".
Most certainly!
the man is 21 years old!!!! joe reaching for reals
Ford will always be a 304. No matter how much she try and class it up. A 304 is a 304.
@@piabernal6983that's not the point. They are pointing out the clear double standard. If he was a 21 year old woman, folks would be calling her a child compared to a 40 year old man.
@@piabernal6983that isn’t the point in Joe’s outrage. The point isn’t REALLY whether or not this is considered predatory. That’s an overall argument, but not the point.
The point is that Mel will call a man a predator for this but hesitates when calling a woman one.
Mel really couldn't answer the question WITHOUT asking a question! 😂
Dawg omg, I would like to think she doesn’t realize how much she deflects, but my lord its annoying. I be screaming “Just please formulate your own opinion without this group think tactic!”
The 304 fraternity is strong.
Because if you haven't noticed most of the time she speaks her mind and holds her stance they wanna battle and attack her over it so she's learned from that and unfortunately has become very guarded when talking on this pod compared to when she first came on
Thats how women do
@KaiSwisssh1 I agree and sometimes Ish and all flip apparently did at the end was prove Mel's point by talking about Leo DiCaprio's dating life and how he dates younger girls throwing in the word grooming when attempting to make his point.
So glad someone addressed these female predators!
We been doing it
It's not grooming but it's predatory. Grooming would mean that she knew him as a minor and then groomed him to be her future baby daddy. Doesn't change the fact that she's a creep for this.
He just turned 21 so technically she did know him as a minor and knew what he was gonna be he been in the spotlight since he was 15
@@704jizzle2 unless they've been dating for over three years, then it doesn't matter if she knew of him. Again, it doesn't negate the fact that she is definitely a predator.
To me it’s no problem because he’s an adult . Problem is when it’s a man and younger woman everybody will look down on the man but not give the same energy to a cougar or old chick that mess with a young dude. And the young girl has options more than likely to mess with a dude her age but no she chooses the older dude because of the money and resources
I can’t prove it… but you definitely had a different opinion with tyga.
@@Deauxp._ u don't have to be dating someone to groom them y'all blame men for this exact thing all the time
Mel seriously doesn’t add anything to any conversation the fact that you have to probe her for her opinion is wild , form your own opinion and speak to that.
💯💯
She’s always tryna play it safe.
Yeah they need another women the comments gettin worse and worse every week
She's positioning herself for a RAISE💸
Nah... See he did that shit cuz he knew and he felt that she was ducking that topic. She didn't wanna be real about it
I’m glad Joe said it! Period. Women should be held accountable for their inappropriate acts and behaviors as well. It’s definitely predatory behavior.
Men need to take accountability too yall so delusional
She is a predator. if this was a 40 year old man and a 21 year old woman, people would be losing their shit. The thing is, what makes her a predator is the fact that 1. the man is 21, his brain hasn't fully developed yet and 2. she went after him with the intent to trap him. She's done this before with Orlando Scandrick who was an NFL player, this isn't even her first time doing this.
I dunno...no one blinked an With Robin Thick and the little girl he is with currently
Damn!
Only Leonardo decaprio can get away with it
Untrue.
Where do they lose their shit when an old man has relations with women that could be his granddaughter? He’s celebrated in fact
Mel had her tap shoes on. I’ve never seen someone dance around a subject so blatantly.
facts
Girl giving a full show😅 annoying ash
This was really hard to watch. I cringed so hard at her trying to play stupid. SMH
@BigShrimpin416 I cringed too. I was like damn, she is really standing up for the sisterhood. 🤦🏾
@@storytimewithagrownwomanThat sisterhood is falsehood. A cult.
Same woman who FALSELY accused Cam'ron of misconduct with a minor, suddenly doesn't like the use of descriptive terms... REALLY?!?!
Well freaking said!!!!!
Literally wanted them locked up but now we don't know enough 💀😂
THANK YOU SIR
She probably doing it too
Crazy right?
If she met him when he was underage, it's definitely grooming. If she met him at 21 unfortunately it's not grooming but it is absolutely distasteful and crazy.
Yea that’s fair it’s still disgusting and unethical
Still grooming.
The fact that he had to fix the question like that in order for her to answer is crazy.
The way people over look older women being the groomer of younger men is sick.
2:44 "What do you want me to speak from, like my opinion?" - Melissa Ford
Yeah, what else? How daft do you have to be?
Right!!
Daft as a punk 😂lol I’ll stop
The bar for intelligent black women must be low AF. Because this woman is considered to be smart by people in your community. You should be ashamed of this reality.
She's not daft at all. She knows she has to tap dance around it or expose her hypocrisy
Shout out Ice T
I am so glad that men are having this conversation! I would never talk to a 21 year old….I am talking about me! It’s weird!!! He is a kid!!! My son is 30 and I would have a fit if a woman my age in their 50’s talk to my son! I would loose it!!! Just nasty!!! 🤮
Is it because he’s your child (I ask because I know some who are just not okay with it when it comes to their own family for protection reasons which is valid but some support it with others when it’s ppls own kiddos they always seem them as their babies and not always as adults doing adult things that they may or may not be ready for)? As someone in their 50’s would you date someone closer to 70? Just wondering like is there an age gap that works? Is 10 years okay? But if 10 is okay is 20? I’ve only involved myself with someone who was a lot older once. I feel like I had more brain cells than they did but to someone else I was a dumb kid so idk. My mom and I never talked about what’s too old really. Just when I was in middle school and high school.
I understand what you’re saying. But 30 is a full grown ass man. His brain is fully developed. He has experience in the real world. He has experience paying bills and hopefully emotional maturity. It’s 100% not the same
Just because it's wEiRd doesn't mean it won't happen, 21 is an adult there's nothing wrong here
He’s an adult. Send him my way.
@@T.H-v4h 😂😂😂
Mel.. Mel.. Mel.. you not standing on Business 😂😂😂
Melyssa Ford would've had a different answer if it was a man. She had A LOT to say about Leonardo Dicaprio but as soon as she's asked about a woman her past extremely hinders her opinion. Its sad how much she panders to females 😭
lol tho whole society panders to women . It’s been that way for a while .
Still aint grooming
I wish they woulda led that that...I woulda said that off rip
She woulda gave a complete & ran on sentence of an answer had Joe ALREADY AGREED TO ADD UP TO 25OK iN 'COSMETIC SURGERY' ANNUALLY TO HER MEDICAL COVERAGE AKA N0T MEDICAID🔜💉BuDDenAid🩹
"Females" ? You mean women
Lost what little respect I had for her! She should be embarrassed!!
Thank you for getting on Mell for her bs. Tired of her wasting segments ducking by playing stupid while y'all spend the whole segment explaining the title of the segment to her!!!🙎🏿♂️🙎🏿♀️🤷🏿♂️🤦🏿🤦🏿♀️🤦🏿♂️ She be terrified of backlash 🙄
Dancing on the subject to save her 'status' and be liked
Spending a segment explaining the title is hilarious 😂
Why is she even there? I've been asking that question for a minute🤦🏾
She has friends haha her friends would not like this.. and she knows it.
Mel kills me playing dumb, like she doesn’t understand what’s being asked like idk if it’s years of media training or what but I dislike it.
She's been allowed to get away with it.
She postulates her own intelligence
@@dennisjohnson7139 facts! And I hate that!
I'm a man and I agree with her. This is not predatorial neither is it grooming. They're both adults for starters and if her mentality was to try to trap him with a baby to secure the bag, then there is no age limit to that type of thinking. Chics around his age, 5, 10, 15 yrs older also will line up to do the the same given his status and wealth. Even kids know what the potential consequences are when u have unprotected sex.
Mel's face at 9:20 after Joe said to her "I can't believe you won't speak to this" says EVERYTHING. She knows what she's doing
Damn Joe was spittin’…good job✊🏿1:54- You can tell Joe is at his whit’s end with Mel’s bs. Mel Ford is consistently inconsistent
He high key threatened her job… saying he was going to give his opinion from a woman’s pov since she wouldn’t 😂
But he's not joking, that is what she was hired for. I don't think Joe hired her to campaign for city trustee of Darbyville Ohio now
The sad part is, if she had smoke for Marques Houston how in the world she quiet on this situation and low-key constantly trying to change the subject the whole time…ppl like that shouldn’t have a voice to the masses
Joe is absolutely right. This is grooming and the double standards are gross
Mel's awkward response is likely because she has done this in the past.
Doing
@@dennisjohnson7139 both
She can't say anything because she has done it
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The word salad coming from Melissa is Crazy….like gurllll come on😂
I fully stand with Joe with what he said. Women always have something to say about "men". 💯💯
Loo we can’t do shit .. hang with out homies it’s gay . Have standards it’s misogynistic.. smh
Crazy right but when it's the other way around.
Mel knows she's long in the tooth and would pull a Draya if the chance presented itself.
Facts
4 sho
Just remember Melissa's words when the next "scandal" is about a man with predatory and/or "grooming" behaviors... She's such a hypocrite!
Joe kept it 💯 on this one
Leonardo DiCaprio rolling his eyes at Mel
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The irony of asking Mel about a topic like this is crazy🤣
That says something when Joe and I are thinking the same thing " Mel what the F are you talking about?" lol
Melyssa bout to lose her job if she don't stop trying to walk that tight rope and speak up. 🤣
I never thought that she brought anything to the platform so I'm good with her being fired.
I hope she loses her job she’s terrible and her voice is annoying
If she can’t hold women accountable and be objective, she needs to. We have enough women that play victim etc, we don’t need one on a huge platform
Unacceptable Mel! Just say your opinion! Please do better.
Thank u Joe. This was very much needed
Thaaaaaaank you Joe!!!!!!
First thing out her mouth, how much money he got.
Narcissist is another word that gets thrown around.
By women funnily enough
"Disrespect" is no.1 for me
Mel you are there for a reason SPEAK UP!!!!
I think she's there for another reason😆😆😆
She s useless
Call it out Joe! THANK YOU for not being scared!
The hypocrisy. This was crazy to watch. smh
This clip is proof that todays women avoid accountability! Mel avoided the question in so many ways that she will be embarrassed to re watch this again 🤣😂
she will not be embarrassed. the lack of accountability she showed in ducking the question is the same energy she will use to justify her taking her stance. this was a pathetic display of objectivity and common sense.
@number1chiefROKKA thank you for saying what I was going to say
No, Mel avoids accountability, NOT women. Draya is a predator
No we don’t. Try not to speak for women as a whole.
@@tamikal.7346thank you. I speak the hell up.
thank you for saying this. As a person who was molested by their own father from the age of four I know what grooming is, and I know what grooming at and what people are using that time to meet is exactly not what the fuck it means. If a man is 45 and a woman is 20 pregnant by him, nobody saying that he grooming her the end. Stop throwing that out. A man can be 75 be dating a woman who is 25 while he has children that are 45 and 55 and maybe his kids don’t like it but it is ultimately accepted within the male race so y’all need to get off of women trying to give a whole Nother damn standard.
finally someone with sense, folks are now using words in the wrong terms on purpose to punish or put a person in a negative light, calling grooming when you have two adults in a relationship, then you have women now calling situations sexual assult/rape if they consent to sexual acts with other adults then regret it later years down the line. Or a man cat calling a women sexual harassement/assault.
Sadly this hurt the real victims of REAL sexual assult/rape. This is now turned into a clown show about suing for money or revenge. Its now about feelings and not about the action done or consent. We literally have laws in place about what is the age of adulthood and its age of 18 as the highest in all of the world. Folks now trying to turn it about morals and feelings, yes you may not approve if your father is 70 dating a 25 year old but they are both adults trying to turn it into a moral issue will never work because were talking about two adults. So people try to project their own moral standards on to other people, you even had one women in the comment section saying the guy was groomed and 22 is not grown.
"Because it ain't a $300m dolla bag"😂😂😂
I AGREE WITH JOE BUT ALL OF US THAT LIVE IN THE HOOD ......COUPLES LIKE THIS FORM ALL THE TIME
"Y'all acting like nike" was a bar!
Factz. Joe can still get in the booth
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Saying that with $1000 Nikes on is hilarious😭😭
What’d he mean by that Nike line exactly?
@@shootah_mcgaven3424I assume he’s referring to how Nike recruits these top athletes at a young age in H.S. off “potential” to eventually represent the brand in the pros. Predatory women are essentially doing the same thing recruiting and trapping young professional athletes who are on track to earn supermax contracts, by having their baby.
Joe you are sooooo on point!!!!!!!
And LADIES AND GENETLEMEN WE wonder WHHHYYY JASSSOONNN LEEEEE WARNED US ABOUT THIS HYPOCRITE WOMAN ......YOUR WELCOME
3:52 Mel is 100% right about the term Grooming. Grooming applies to MINORS!!!!! Not grown adults. Yes 21 is still young and minds are under developed but MINORS under 18 years old are a specific class of protected people as CHILDREN!!!!!! Grooming does not apply to adults for a specific reason. Draya is not grooming this man because he is an ADULT! Could she be taking advantage of him? Sure but Grooming does not apply in this situation.
Y'all are playing word games and know exactly what is being said. She has called it grooming before regarding Leonard DiCaprio. Joe asked her at 4:50 is she a predator and she still didn't answer. In the end it's predatory behavior by far.
Y'all weren't mad about Leo but y'all mad about draya. Y'all are hypocrites calling her out for being a hypocrite yes y'all defended Leonardo so why not defend draya? I thought women over 35 was washed up and she has a child by another man. All the things y'all say devalues a woman and yet she caught a big fish. Stop listening to fresh and fit and Kevin Samuels. Aaliyah was groomed not this grown man who is well over the age of 18
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This is exactly right. Grooming is for minors not consenting adults.
@@ronnie6696I'm not trying to play Devil's Advocate and I know you're just going to deflect what I'm saying, butt in your opinion when a man is 40 years old and he goes with a 20 year old women why is he called a predator and that he couldn't get a woman in his own age group and that he's a manipulator he's disgusting , in grooming her but when a 40 year old woman does exactly the same thing in reverse going with a 20-year-old man why isn't the energy the same? How I look at it is they are all adults, and they are all legal making conscious decisions I just know and understand that it's not going to be judged and looked at entirely exactly the same because there are a bias that most people don't want to talk about
Joe please, this podcast is one of the best and most intelligent podcast.
Mel is not supposed to be there.
Please get her out🙏🏿🛑🛑🛑
she gives an accurate dumb blonde take. Tries to come off as super intelligent and barely knows anything they’re talking about. She better than flip tho
Mel is smart..slightly cowardly at times. But shes smart
“Ya actin like Nike!” Lmfaooooo perfect ending
Joe is my hero for doing this 👏
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9:40 🎯🎯 Joe was completely on point
Joe is hilarious asf!! He is over Mel 😂😂
How uncomfortable it must be in that room.
Is this the same woman that was quick to insinuate some under age BS towards Cam & Mase’s story?? 🤣😂
Yep, that's her 🤦🏾
She should have been sent packing aka fired after that episode. However, this segment shows how useless she is.
Yep that’s her
Joe budden podcast is fire 🔥 Thanks Joe 💯
This is what the kids call *GASLIGHTING* (another overused word)
Why did ISH have to invoke her SON, for her to finally denounce this woman’s actions??
Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss. That’s all these women do.
It’s actually insane
She only cares when you mention it in her context
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Mel would do the exact same thing if she had the chance.
Wasn't Cyn 23 and Joe 35 when they started datimg? Pot calling kettle black!!!
What’s the point of Mel being on when she refuse to answer the question.
If it were the other way around, they wouldn’t have had to ask her a thing. She woulda dove head first in that bush, instead of beating around it lol
Damn she didn't say a word.... but her silence speaks volumes.
THANK YOU JOE!!!! Thank you for holding Mel accountable. I’m sick and tired of her girl code hypocrisy and BS! She and other women do it ALL THE TIME and it’s freakin annoying!
Mel is scared. Get somebody who is not scared.
If this was a 39 year old man and a 21 year old woman, they would be giving the man high five’s!!!!!!!! Why is it so different when it’s a mature woman dating a younger man??? She’s not doing anything different than what men do EVERY DAY!!!
Yuck 🤮
Comparing ur self to men is classless
Mel is wack
I agree
Melissa really made me mad in this episode! Why tf was it so hard to just say the obvious!! If Draya was a man, Mel would have a lot to say! She would have called him a perv, said he was grooming her, called him a predator!!! This was so hard to watch! SMH very sad what she did here! She stuck her head in the sand like an ostrich and played dumb! She knew what they were asking
grooming an adult ahahah
@@ReallyGotMotionlevels to it ... she is in her 40s ... seasoned yet ... dude barely hit his 20s ... Similac ring still on his mustache ... alcohol ... seduction ... riding him without a rubber ... 9 months later ... let's keep it a stack please ...
Let's be clear. Dudes seem to hate when women date younger, and women seem to hate when men date younger. How about everyone just stay within 12 years of their age.
If this 21 year old young man was a young woman pregnant by 40+ man that grooming title would be thrown out without hesitation.
lol and leaving out the fact the 21 year old woman prefers the older man for the money , resources , and security. That’s not a victim
@@Dayxh8💯
Name 2 times that's happened? and the nigga wasn't named r kelly, where ppl just threw out the groomer tag?
Facts
Joe said they acting like NIKE 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bro I’m slow as shyt what does it mean to be acting like Nike?
@@mjeezy-mp1rb basically targeting young ppl because they’re impressionable and easier to manipulate and get over on em
Appreciate that one Joe, call her on her shit. Draya and Mel
LMFAO! Mel's Silence is Deafening. WTF!
How can they have this conversation and not mention child support
I think that’s what they were referring to when they said Draya has a bag but not a $300 million dollar bag. Getting pregnant secures the bag. That’s what they’re saying
Joe is on point
Yo, Joe is right. I have a way older sister and one of her childhood friend tried me when I was 17 and my sister shut her down when she find out.
Salute to the panel for not letting her flip the conversation on the men talking about, “well it’s up to speculation, what do you guys think?” 😅.
I agree with EVERYTHING the men are saying 💯
Why is Mel so against answering straight to their questions 😂
Mel really showed her true colors bsing so long before getting to an actual answer. She definitely tried to protect draya as long as she possibly could. Shes a bird. I’m glad everyone called her out on her bs and hypocrisy
Is the Pod making a comeback!!?? This is why we show up Joe!! Hard.
I can't pretend to care about what two grown strangers are doing. Also, we've constantly tried to tell young people the dynamics of these relationships and why they might not be appropriate but they've decided that they know more than us and do what they want anyway. As long as both people are adults, I wish them the best.
You are as much of a CLOWN as Mel.
Mel was really WEAK on this …
What credentials I need to be on this show??? lol I'll come through and tell the truth. EVERY TIME!
mel was like i'll take no accountability for 800 alex....