Vince Staples CALLS OUT Joe Budden About Music Industry | "You Like to LIE to Yourself"
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Vince Staples is 100% right. You can't talk about generational wealth when these dudes not even taking the idea of family serious, on top of having bad spending habits.
Facts
The whole idea of artists feeling like their art should pay for their grandkids to never work is just ridiculous imo. In any genre of art or music. Good for them if it does but we gotta look at how much we pay these people in general.
U holding up the wall and you missing the point
100% it’s a good point but he’s also missing the part of if u aren’t spending money like it’s coming out ur ass then u end up being a nobody in the industry. What he’s saying is basically once ur hot in the industry and u get the big cheque quit music immediately and become and investor with the capital u just got. Cause otherwise the fame is gonna eat up all ur money
@@dcsstephens410 that’s a very good take
Vince’s delivery is so raw, he’s gentle and aggressive at the same time with a comedic tone makes it everything
Facts
Yea I like how you put that
He be dead ass serious tho
💯When you speaking facts and not opinions you can speak with confidence, it don’t take a lot of extra energy and gestures to get a point across.
Just how LA ppl talk😂
Joe not use to being around anyone that’s smarter, more confident, informed and articulate then him.
Soon as he get in that environment, he blowing it up somehow 😂
Facts😂!
Joe isnt even articulate...
Vince and Joe are the kinda guys who'd probably be best friends😂. Both 0 chill, both -5% filter
Noooo he is all about a debate. Lol he lives to oppose!
I LOVE Vince. He might tell a joke but he’ll never tell a lie! One of the realest, smartest ones out here
Funny thing is most times he isn't trying to be funny.
Thanks for not saying realist
He’s like a Dave Chappelle
@@88ntilDave and vince actually hang out
Shut up with that overused corny line
Joe proves time and time again that being a old dude with some money doesn’t mean your smart or wise lmao
Joe might be the most articulate dumb person ever. He’s so articulate he can win any argument with most of the dumb niggas in hip hop, while also articulate enough to gaslight and move goalposts when someone smarter clearly proves him wrong lol
You have to remember the smartest of men allow display of them not knowing all yet benefit from it
What older guy that think he knows everything are you mad at in your life? 😂. Cause age had nothing to do with this convo 😂😂😂.
@@nalassiemusiqpage They were referring to how people see an older person who's been in a thing for a while and attach wisdom to that, when it's actually not wise to assume that someone is wise because they are older and doing something. Joe is the picture of that. Older guy, longstanding figure in the hip-hop world... LAST person to take ANY advice from. Presuming wisdom based on superficial stuff is usually a mistake. You see someone's been around a minute and think they might know something, but if you knew their life, that might change. Knowing nothing about Budden would have you thinking he's one of the old masters of this media - and to be fair, he does know things. But when you actually hear him speak, or talk about his own decisions, or his own life... his wisdom is lacking for someone his age. It's relevant because Budden often projects THAT image... because he acts like a wise, media father figure when so much to do with him has been a mess for like 2 decades and he becomes a teenage drama queen when things don't go his way. The older you are while only showing a superficial understanding of how other people work, the more obvious it becomes that that is the truth. Joe Budden is a child in an aging man's body. It's relevant to just about everything he does lol
@@nalassiemusiqpagedefinitely did old niggas always have a argument for things that aren’t that controversial
This why a conversation with Joe ultimately goes nowhere.. he can never be wrong even when presented with facts he just love to argue lmao
Wasn’t an argument, it’s a debate. Don’t let a mf knock you off yo square cuz of some facts, there’s facts to support ANY statement damn near
He said he saw his point, at the very end. That as close as we'll probably get lol.
@@SUPERZAYAN1that makes zero sense. If you are wrong when presented with facts, why not just admit you were wrong? Why still debate if you are proven wrong?
@@wilsonmatt781 it’s a podcast lol at this point you should know jbp argues just for the sake of it.
😭😭absolutely nowhere , he’s done this for so many years he’ll move a goal post til you don’t even know what y’all talking about anymore
Joe just can’t be wrong 😂 shout out to vince for breaking it down while still being articulate and funny.
All this talk about generational wealth and the culture hates marriage. Thank you, Vince.
Cart before the horse lol
The culture doesn't hate marriage 😆 what statistic made you believe that?
marriage is a government contract 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️it doesn't change your love for someone. just pay for the marriage license like the rest of these fools
Baby mama culture did that.
And that right there is the closest we’ve seen Joe admit defeat in an argument 😂
Vince Staples always bringing a breath of fresh air to the podcast
🍆🚴 relax bro
@@robdrix8413so what I’m saying is false?
@@robdrix8413stop projecting yo
U not lying
@@robdrix8413them emojis had me dying laughing 🤣🤣🤣⛹🏽⛹🏽
I like that Vince is talking realistically. These rappers make people think that money comes and goes easy.
Well, technically it does. Think about u working, most ppl check is gone before it even hit their account. Rappers make it seem like they get endless amounts of money, with no off days. That's the cap.
@@slimthizzle11broke mentality keeps you broke. Your mindset
@@slimthizzle11right but that’s because we are making below what is considered the livable wage on average. These rappers are making what people make in a year in a night, and those are the ones that aren’t even huge like that, when you are blessed with 100s of thousands of dollars all at once it is your responsibility to flip it for yourself
@@gooduserm.a.a.dinternet1228simple
@@gooduserm.a.a.dinternet1228 Right but they won’t be making that forever. So someone like Vince has a realistic house in a realistic neighborhood that is easy to maintain over a lifetime.
Vince Staples is not of this world. The facts and numbers he spit was on point. Restores my faith in soma these youngins...
Sadly he’s an anomaly, I promise you the youth could care less.
@@william58295 ...dont be a grumpy Grandpa. Give em a chance, like someone gave you when you were young
@@william58295the same thing could have been said about us when we were young. You’d be surprised how serious some of these kids are about their future.
Youngins? Vince is 30😂
He’s 30. Nip was 33 when he passed away and he talked about stuff like this all the time. Idk if it’s a coast thing but most ppl from Cali are with the shits. Look at Ice Cube. He has a bb league. He’s been speaking on this shit since NWA. Some ppl are just stuck and their way of thinking lags terribly.
"You can't love your wife that long" lmao that's crazy
Yea wth 😂😂
To be fair, they getting divorced. Lol
Vince staples is everything joe budden wishes he was.
1) well respected rapper
2) truly supports creators
3) stays out of the bird shit
4) a good podcaster (actually joe is pretty good at this)
@matthewgillies6273 naw he himself and if being yourself is consider corny then who cares
@@matthewgillies6273lol why you say he a bit corny? He seem like a regular dude to me.
@@matthewgillies6273he’s a regular dude who got rich. He’s what happens when you’re a whole person before you got paid
@stevebuscemi4185 Joe is a well respected rapper... but he's a well respected rapper in a space where that doesn't matter. He's a well respected rapper for his lyrical ability by other rappers. Being well respected for your ability by your peers doesn't translate into album sales or mainstream appeal.
I forgot one thing. He’s actually smart not just trying to project it
Need Vince on the show twice a week
Ong he need to make his own platform but he hate talking to folks he not comfortable with
That would soon be renamed to Vince Staples TV.
❤
Joe been trying to sign him to the network for years, I think he told Joe he needs $5M to sign 😂
vince is not fake enough for the pod game
I don’t listen to Vince’s music but I enjoy hearing him in interviews very intelligent dude
Do you not listen to it because you don't enjoy it? Does enjoying his interviews make you want to check out his music if you haven't already?
How about you go and listen to some of his music in support of this brilliant young man
💯
@davidjohnson744 I love Vince, but his sound really isn't for the mass appeal. He really makes music that he wants; which is why I think his fans love him so much. He's true to himself as a person and as an artist.
U should listen. Ramona Park Broke my heart didn't get good reviews for nothing.. Vince can spit and knows how to make an album
joe budden is the kid that never admitted to be wrong in an argument
Vince is too funny!! And real at the same time!
The funniest thing is the truth
4sho.. that’s a smart young dude… where’s his podcast at? 😅
He wasn’t funny in this clip…
Joe is the pure definition of gas lighting
fr tho lol
I think, technically, what Joe was guilty of in this instance is called "Moving the goal posts". Gaslighting is manipulating a person's environment to make them feel internally or appear to an outside observer to be demonstrably crazy.
The way Ice and Ish were backing Vince they are TIRED of Joe's BS...LOOOOL
Vince always coming with the knowledge and always coming with a different perspective on things.
if he bri ging knowledge and a different perspective, what are we getting the rest of the time when he isnt around??
@@xMXWLx idk you tell me.
He thinks 90s rap is overrated because there was no Kayne.
@@lamentate07 nobody's perfect
Never heard anyone refer to generational wealth as tiny
“I see what you talking about but niggas ain’t tryna do that” is where we always loose as a community
Exactly
*lose….
Too much of setting the bar low and being content with the bare minimum
Facts
Agreed.. always having the lowest expectations for anybody, mfs lookin down with no faith nowadays
I love that it can be a civil ass conversation and just disagree without any outta pocket shit. I wish people took time and thought shit out and educated their selves the way Vince does. Salute and god bless 🙏🏼
Honestly never listed to his music but seeing clips of him speak these past few months, I’m a big fan of Vince the person. He’s intelligent and well spoken while being funny and real. His perspective is unique. I will go dig into his discography now lol
He really said fix the money and then we’ll worry about the knowledge…
I thought I was tripping. That’s ass backwards
Hahaha 🤦🏿♀️
I like how vince just stays in his lane throughout his entire career never switched up
This Vince guy needs his own podcast! I’ll tune in
Damn bro u don’t know bout Vince staples??
"This Vince guy" ???
@@itsthevelvet1461bro i said the same thing
Never heard if him either and I would definitely tune in
Vince called out hip hop for being a immature culture. As did Jay in 4:44. I’ll never forget Boosie defending “the money phone.” Ignorance is hip hop’s legacy unfortunately. When I was 14 rappers bragged about crime & made me thin that was “real” I’m almost 30 & it’s still the same way except I grew up. The culture didn’t & won’t. By design.
It's a genre not a culture that's the issue in of itself
You gotta realize a lot of these dudes aren’t put on a platform to spread the right message…
And that’s why all my high school friends are broke, bunch of felonies, bunch of baby mommas, some are dead due to gun violence and here I am driving my 2020 Altima, got a house in the suburbs that I finance cost $300K and got a job as an engineer, got kids and wife chilling
I do not believe I have ever heard a Vince Staples song but I am a huge fan. Whenever I hear him speak his thoughts are so well thought out and often time they go against the grain. In a world of so many followers it's refreshing to see this from a younger brotha.
I love to hear Vince talk. Joe be trying to move the goal post when Vince makes a point.
Lol Joe's positive response to anything is "I see you, I hear you.. but No" 😂😂
Protect this man at all cost!! Vince is an old soul trying to give us knowledge. I’d pay for a Vince pod but drop once a month.
Vince making $100K+ for 30 minutes is pretty wild
All Joe burden slander is always enjoyed, invited AND encouraged
Him and Ish are matching like Destiny's Child.😂
I didn't even catch that at 1st 😂😂😂
I like how Vince ventured out , spitting facts
I can appreciate Joe posting this. He may not be right, but he allows the other facts to be voiced and heard.... by others.
Joe be moving the goal post... "Tiny generational wealth Joe" lmaooooooo STOPPPP!!!!
Ish called him out on that too a couple of weeks ago. LOL
Vince is as real as it gets in hip hop.
He really out here talking nothin but facts lately and I love to see it
He was always talkin facts
Vince needs his own Podcast!! He is always dropping relevant info
Vince so well spoken and intelligent.. while adding humor 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
thats the biggest insult to black people. we gotta stop saying that. it sounds like we expect eachother to sound dumb
@@xMXWLxEXACTLY! When I was younger I didn’t know why I thought it was so insulting, I didn’t realize why until I was like 27/28 years old
Its crazy because only black people get that “compliment”
@lornegreen6755 thats why im done with the "im black and proud thing as well" its a way to red line us in every way
@@xMXWLx respectfully, can you explain what you mean by that
VINCE STAPLES.
Young brother needs his own show: for REAL.
Bro nailed it! Hip-Hop been fkd up from the beginning...point blank period!
Damm i love that rappers are Having deep convos.. this is inspirational….knowledge is power
Good point: Rap fans don't want to see you be regular. You show fans where you really live, they don't F with you no more. With that, you better not tell nobody you married with a family and taking your kid to the park. You better be doing what you say in them records.
There’s a lot of ppl in our community who think like Vince but he verbalizes it better than most.
💯💯
Damn they not ready for that conversation and I don’t even think they understood what he was trying to say.
You didnt either
@@bassred7065 lol appreciate it
Beautiful conversation
He said that was real oppression and it went clean over their head
"you cant love your wife THAT long"
Oh how times adapt to the word.
Bro, intelligence aside, Vince ain’t saying anything earth-shattering, he just knows how to make a good point, and it’s that he’s talking to Joe who is contrarian du jour most days and who also knows how to make a good point…that’s what’s happening here. It doesn’t take intelligence to do that, you just have to know what a good point is. 😅
You can't be dumb and know how to do something. That's contradictory.
Nah, it's not about making a good point. Vince is articulate and creative. He could not be making a point and it'll still sound like he's making a point lol
Well yea I suppose that’s true, I just see no need for comments to weigh in on his intelligence based on THIS clip where they discussing industry issues, but w/ no real solution to them yet. And I think generational wealth is a non-issue and a vain pursuit. We have no control over how the next generation will handle the wealth even if we did hand it to them on a silver platter, but I digress there.
@@rook9309He’s intelligent.
These niggas don’t know the difference between intelligence and being a good public speaker lol. Vince was I think on the pro label side while joe was on the pro worker side but I don’t think anyone actually knows what Vince was saying
Vince and Joe are the kinda guys who'd probably be best friends😂. Both 0 chill, both -5% filter
I appreciate both perspectives. It’s on us the viewers to turn the game they gave up into real world applications.
Knowledge is 🔑.. Vince 🫡 for being you..!!
GREAT convo. Respect to Vince, man. Love hearing him speak.
great conversation
One of the smartest rappers he's had on this show
Much needed discussion. It's the implementation of financial information that transforms our financial life indeed. We can't apply what we don't know. Glad we're having more economic discussions .
This is good information. 👍🏾
Good conversation
I just became a fan. Vince said to be able to send your children to a school where you do not have to be fly everyday. Me leaving Brooklyn NY and bringing my children to a place where they can get there white air force 1's a little dirty saved us money. Also, on another note you do not need 1 million dollars to start generational wealth. It all come down to investing most of your money.
The way joe got his shoes laced is pissing me off 🤣
That was Dropping Real Knowledge 💯✊️
I love this conversation
Labels and music industry did fine before 360s. And they do fine with their artists who are not on 360s (like Drake). They extort artists into thinking what Vince is saying. Vince makes sense, but it's extortion to say "give us a piece of touring or else..." even though Live Nation still gon' get their piece of Touring also...
Man if a take a artist who isn’t visible everywhere and invest in them before they start making any real money then I should get to participate in all revenue associated with your brand since I helped build it. They are investing and being relationships to the table so that more money can be made all around. It’s not extortion
@@PlatinumPAT But they only invest in one area... They're investing in their music careers, not their touring. Live Nation does that-- they start by booking small shows then bigger ones. The labels don't invest in their acting careers, yet they would still get paid if the artist became an actor. It'd be like the NBA saying "we invested in making you famous by putting you on your platform, we want a piece of your sponsorships..."
@@theyoungcommandergranted both situation u said they deserve it. Without me u would have it the least you can do is pay me forever for it. It’s gratitude
@@shaneleaone6769😂
They did because they were selling physical albums now with streaming labels are not seeing the type of money they previsouly saw unless they can market artist in different avenues…Theres a reason Rihanna hasn’t dropped an album since lord knows music is not as profitable as a business anymore
I agree with Joe Budden on how ppl don’t want to listen to a whole album where someone is getting repetitive on how much they love their partner but it’s just sad how ppl don’t mind listening to how much niggas love the block and the streets in every track.
Nice conversation
Great convo 🤝🏾
It’s always a semantics argument with Joe and he’s always wrong when it happens.
Life insurance is the easiest generational wealth vehicle.
its sad that this is the best outlet someone like Vince, who's concerned w real world problems, has to speak on. in hip hop at least. these topics deserve people that can process them and make productive conversation
This why I got so much love for Vince. Smart, clear and funny. A great person to deliver a message
Did Vince just say "that's that South Africa sh*t.." live on air?? 😂😅
As an obscure independent artist, single father who works a regular job I wish I could participate in this convo because mathematically Vince is speaking the absolute truth!
You throwing your resume into this comment was POINTLESS
@@Thisthat1234 ok 👍🏾
And why does it upset you? lol let the man live@@Thisthat1234
@@Thisthat1234😅😂😂😂
@@Thisthat1234y ?
Great spar session!
Joe doesn’t have the right mindset because he got hurt by the industry and now his only platform is to make podcasts and diss people navigating the game better than he could 😂
Well, I guess this is the last time we will be seeing Vince on the show😔😂😂
Vince Staples feature on a podcast is always a pleasure
Gotta be honest Joe is actually making a good point infrastructure doesn’t equal marketplace
PEOPLE LOVE TO HATE ON JOE BUT HE WAS MAKING SOME VALID POINTS TOO.
Really, all this business and money talk has taken A LOT of the fun, joy and pleasure out of the music…Shit is sad that this is what Hip-Hop and so called ‘urban’ culture has reduced itself to…
Are you upset artists are becoming financially literate?
Music has always been about business and money talk since it started though so I don’t get what you’re taking about
Musicians getting piped by the music industry since forever.
I think he’s talking about hearing artists talk about it.
@@THEsoulquarian so does he just want artists to shut up and get screwed over by their labels in silence?
I agree with both. Our mentality of for sure wiped out. Also, they are clearly miss using the payout. I believe they go hand and hand. But to Vince’s point, if they pay’d the artist what they owed them and all the coins went to the artist, will the artist actually know what to do with the funds to help the rest of the slaves abs family members globally?
Joe right on this one that's small anount to what's achieved by u know who
Man just said "that's tiny wealth, with a smile.😮😮😮"
Joe said thats tiny generational wealth. Thats the problem. 1 Billion or the record company robbed me and the fans not supporting.
I love how Vince calls Joe on his Elon shit. If Joe could operate a slave emerald mine, he would lmao
Joe listed “the 360 thing” 5th on his list at 1:02 but then says “360 deals are nowhere in the top 100 things I’m concerned about…” 😂
Vince is probably one of the most understanding people out there, not understanding like emotionally but seeing everything for what it is without bias or emotion. He’s the type of person it would be impossible to manipulate because he already would tell you have an agenda
Vince would take this pod out of here if he joined as a host
Entertainment is driven by what’s popular but what’s popular is influenced by whose big. Rappers specifically screw themselves over buying into the notion that they have to blow M’s just to be relevant. If they all just stopped doing that and took care of what’s important dans wouldn’t care as much. The sad reality is the old heads failed their own community and now the young ones think they run it
he was so quick with that RnB line
The way joe talks about the music industry you’d think he conquered the music industry. Like he bout to pull a tobacco pipe out of his sport coat but the sport coat actually fashion nova
Bingo it’s the culture! How do you go from a 98 civic to needing a phantom? You don’t your just trying to keep up with the joneses
Vince is too smart for this industry he could genuinely be whatever he wants to be
Vince is 100...one of the best. he needs his own show.
nailed it on the head, the Chance album was good, there’s no difference between that and an R&B album, both about love, they just want to break the family apart
nah fam i agree in joe budden. no one wants to hear 19 tracks on how much you love your wife... its corny. and simp material... I WOULD UNDERSTAND IF HE MADE A SONG OR TWO. and then transitioned to a full R&B ALBUM. BUT PEOPL JUST CALL ANYTHING A CLASSIC NOW A DAYS.🤷🏽♂🤣😂
@@YoungDirtyMexicanOfficiallyso what would you have wanted to hear?
How is loving your wife corny?
@@shanem8625 NOT SAYING LOVING UR WIFE IS CORNY... but making an album with 19 tracks about how much u love ur wife is corny. two different things my dude. u must not know rap goofy.
@@YoungDirtyMexicanOfficiallylet's call it like it is. Rap overall doesn't promote love or positivity. We can listen to 19 tracks of mourning, anger, murder, and drugs. Our culture can't accept a wholly positive album we think it's inauthentic. Chance dedicates an album celebrating his wife and marriage and we can't even get on board with the concept of loving someone that much. Kanye dedicates an album to his mother and suddenly we can sit through the darker emotions without the album's concept being called corny. Now I have tons of critique for Chance's album, but I think it's unfair to call the album corny just because it's dedicated to one person.
I feel like Vince gon be a whole college professor when he gets old
Tobe Nwigwe continuously loves his family on every track and made it work.