Vince Staples On Rap Beef & Publishing | “It’s Borderline SOFT SHOE”
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Shout out to Vince for keeping it 100.
Vince they uncle now! Teaching old dogs the man's tricks! It's always fun to hear Vince just say what's on his mind
5:30 he's talking about Drake as a pop star not fully compensating his writers and producers
Since day 1
And I'm a 80s baby
Vince Staples exposed capitalism and white supremacy in hip-hop music, and the gatekeepers acted exactly like you expected them to.
bingo
real shit
How tf you “expose capitalism” lmao
Real
Thought I was the only one to notice
Vince was right the whole time
No, drake is right
Bout what? He say something about what vince said?
@@jacobjunior848zip up Drake pants when u done
No he's doing the cali thing
@@zzzzzz810he never stops
"Keep Jiggin & Boo'n"😂
He the goat for that
He too real for mfs .
+ "we need y'all" a wild follow up
What does that mean I heard it once or twice in my life I’m definitely black but I attended private schools all my life and I’m iffy to the main status or hot topic that was previously written
@tyota3334 a "jiggaboo" is an derogatory term for a black person.. him telling them to keep "jiggin & boo'n", in my opinion, is Vince letting them know that though they think they're being "cool", they're perpetuating a stereotype that makes blacks look bad.. 🙄
Vince ate them up
Had them silent
@@iam_nell So nice hearing not a peep out of these nerds
@@bailey5726 💯
@@bailey5726yes
Vince droppin jewelry
Vince is a funny dude with a very good head on his shoulders. My African.
Bay Area Lingo 5-10 years old
As an African you people need to not claim us we sold you
He has a good heart
@@eddiemac-637now a lot of us are living way better than y’all…to each it’s own muthasucka 🙃👍🏿
@@eddiemac-637you arent an African. Stop frontin
I’m glad someone had the presence of mind to reupload this as a separate video. This is a really important take that too many people missed.
Vince had them thinking instead of just talking. Parks was highly upset
Although Vince's point is accurate but there's a time and a place for what he's talking about. This convo came after the whole gang was talking about Kendrick and Drake rap feud. Vince killed that vibe and it took a minute for them to get it back. Vince was talking deep but Joe ain't that guy to get into deep, substantive, serious topics like that.
so basicay vince suppose to dumb down his intelligence for a group of people who are never serious in deep dives unless its shitty rap pop😂
Agreed.....💯
@@gunnyo50 Joe already know that about Vince. He was trying to get a viral moment of him bashing Cole. Dude too highly intelligent for the BS. He even said we either with the coonery or the real but not both.
imagine "just talking" without thinking. what a world we live in.
Vince was speaking way too much truth and realness. Everything he said is poignant and pivotal.
Bro you sound like a bot right now😂
@@thedoctor2085 oh okay😅😅🤣🤣
@@thedoctor2085You really don’t understand what a bot 🤖 types. There is not a single bot account on UA-cam that uses the word “poignant.”
It should be very obvious that this particular comment was from a real person.
@@SilverJoystix Relax man, I was just kidding with bro
Vince a cornball 😂😂😂
"keep on shucking and jivin" 😂...those laughs to deflect the real were amazing.
That soft shoe shit was lit how he brought it back at the end. Dawg talkin that real fr
Nothing like a Vince Staples phone call.😂😂😂😂😂
They truly lacked understanding of the concept of soft-shoe, and the context was far beyond their comprehension... Tap dancing without taps was Vince's analogy for this podcast. Vince delivered an abundance of truth, but unfortunately, these podcasts do not prioritize uplifting hip-hop culture. Young individuals do not come here seeking knowledge and enlightenment. Instead, they encounter gossip, tension, and conflict. This platform does not serve as an educational space to learn about the pitfalls of the music industry.
Has the JBP ever positioned itself as "an educational space to learn about the pitfalls of the music industry," or do they just talk about the pitfalls of the music industry between jokes sometimes?
The media we consume is a reflection of what we wanna see. If people cared to be educated on the music industry, there would be a demand for that type/style of content, people would make it and audiences would flock to it.
@@ctredez2047 lmfao! You didn't understand Vince's point of my point... There's no argument about what Joe and his crew doing, everyone can plainly see that. What's in question is why do people prefer bull shit, over information that can serve them in a positive way? Also Joe and his crew have the attention of some many ears why can't they add a segment geared towards educating, as a way to test the crowd. Let's take the guess work out of seeing if people want to be educated.
P.S Just because something doesn't exist doesn't mean it's not a demand for it... ✌
@@meccavision 1. because bullshit is more entertaining. That's it. That's the answer. Nothing profound about it lmao Vince even said as much in this phone call; there's not a conspiracy behind peoples attention being diverted, people just prefer bullshit.
2. There's no "educational segment" because it's Joe's podcast and he's not obligated (or qualified tbh) to teach people about publishing. Even with that, he talks about publishing/contracts and warns artists/creatives ALL the time, has been for years. Do you not listen to the podcast? If you do, why are you listening to the podcast when you're apparently looking for educational content? Lmao
3. "Just because something doesn't exist doesn't mean there's not a demand for it," obviously people who want to be educated on business and publishing exist. Those people are reading about it, going to school for it. You'd have more general knowledge on publishing than 85-90% of people on the planet if you spent 2-3 hours reading about it. What's stopping anyone able to watch this video from Googling "how does publishing work" and reading? "Lack of resources/education" is an excuse in 2024.
@@ctredez2047you lame for writing all this
@@nicblank09 you should find out if there's an afterlife.
Vince is the only person off topic and on topic at the same time. Vince, is that guy lol
I don't know anyone that can take as many sharp lefts as Vince does and STILL somehow be right, he needs to be studied asap
Ayyyy name twin ✊🏾
Vince really know how to break people's arguments down to size. Brother was preaching
Chuuuch!
To the organic compound my African !!
They did Vince like Huey Freeman lol
Facts
Basically he saying we worried about the wrong shit
Like drake who is half black and half jewish can have lyrics like:
"Sick of these niggas,
Hire some help, get rid of these niggas"
But would/could never release the same song where he says jews or k1kes instead of the n word.
Nah thats a fact
Yeap ..You went straight for the throat...
BASICALLY
Parks allegiance to the white power structure is showing here.
He's successful under this model - It's easier to want to tear something down from the outside than on the inside. I know Parks publishing checks are prob insane. You could tell he got defensive when he thought Vince was coming at producers.
If Parks’ main concern is White Allegiance, he sure picked the wrong entire life to live lol. Real racists purposely segregate themselves to the best of there ability from the race they hate, they don’t support, and surround themselves with them for nearly 3 decades and then marry someone of that race. The level of methodical, 4D, triple agent style racism you’re putting on parks is actually cartoonish. The dude above me is correct, the defensiveness is coming from a producer angle, it’s so blatantly obvious that it is.
@@kennethfocarino7075not true.
@@shafsteryellow which part?
@@shafsteryellow If you believe Parks is racist, do you think any white person isn’t? In your mind, is it even possible?
Vince Staples & Bill Burr: my spirit animals 🫡🤙🏾💜
Thats the worst line up 🫢🤮
Lol both of them would hate that sentence icl
@@SayianPrince94that’s a great line up both are really level headed
On god
Two real individuals. Yessir 🫡
Vince made me reconsider my stance. And i appreciate that.
When you said he made you reconsider your stance, what did you mean?
"my African"😂
Better den “my niggah”
You need help
Cali lingo
@@fernikiddblack man lingo
“Keep jigging and booing”
You can’t surprise call Vince and be annoyed he isn’t on topic. Dude be on another planet sometimes lol
“Keep Jigging and Booing” was crazy!!!😂😂😂😂
I loved Vince’s take when he first had it because he don’t look at beef through rose colored glasses like the older members of hip hop. He understands that attention is the biggest currency there is and back in the early days of hip hop people on the ground floor didn’t take advantage of that to this degree. The legitimacy of All public facing disagreements and issues from celebrities should be questioned.
Vince takes a socratic approach to almost everything, he's not the Gadfly entirely, but if you ask him a question, or have a difference, he'll let you know his point of view in so many aspects whether providing information or asking questions, truly socratic approach with a vast mind of philosophical points.
Damn! Vince was right. The “pop” artist in question owes a lot of his career to certain people and I’m pretty sure he don’t even be giving a cut or percentage of any kind of publishing. This make a lot of sense now.
was he talking about Tyler the Creator?
@phreshkidd253 nah cause he mentioned buying catalogues, only one hip hop/pop star is allegedly buying other people's catalogues ( Drake). Unless I missed someone else
@@phreshkidd253 I think he was referring to Beyonce...because this has been said about her recently
To add to this context (of it NOT being Drake) he said they bought their OWN catalogue back. So I don't think that's drake as he doesn't "own" his outright but does buy others. I think that "pop" star comment was in regards to someone else
Well if they selling they cut for a price then y should they get any of the publishing
I know Cole backed off because of this narrative. But he's gonna have the last say. Hip hop should evolve from the toxic foundation⚠️ Vince's a real one👑.
Cole gon reach his Zenith yrs from now when the world ain't drugged off the hype no more & we realize how powerful, how real, & how dope what Cole did, actually was. He cemented his place in Hip-hop with that apology, & it's gonna be 1 of his greatest moments in history. I guarantee it.
Cole apologized for clout
@@sdott9751or maybe he just dont gaf bout it for reason that Vince are explaining here. It’s more shi to worry bout
@@kingjoe4893 yeah that be true if Cole wasn't talking shit in the first place.
@@sdott9751 that caused the opposite of clout and I dont see how it could be otherwise.
“Yall not black like that” 💯 😂
“You was smiling though” 👏🏾
“Keep jiggin and boo’n” 💯
This man too hard for the fn radio 🎙️
Yall playin and dis 🥷 ain’t playin. ✊🏿
Vince is fuccin brilliant!!! To bring it back around to explain soft show and prove his point in rare form. I gave a standing ovation 😂
VINCE "MIC DROP" STAPLES
😅😅😅Real talk
Agree with Vince on this. It's all smoke and mirrors and jive turkey fodder for commerce...
That aside, the more significant nasty ploy at play is the AI acceptance rollout.
First started with the leaks being labelled as AI. Then Aubrey himself co-signed the BS with the Taylor Made release.
Whether you agree with it or not (I don't) the subplot is to make it palatable and acceptable as an art form to the masses. Thus ushering in the era of inauthentic and literal "Copy and Paste" music. It's inevitable yet interesting to see occur in realtime.
A deeper, darker criminal link is at work here
I'm just high af and scrolling thru but i agree and feel this isn't getting talked about enough. Fuck this AI shit. I feel the Pac and Snoop AI is corny as hell but most of these fools are eating it up
The actual music has been copy and paste for the last few yrs though. All theses new artists sound alike. At this point might as well be A.I.
it’s been copy and paste. Also voice masking has been around for how long?? some of these are “cheap” parlor tricks that we throw into this big “AI” bucket..
I wish they didn’t have to speak on code cause this conversation would pick up way more traction if artist just came out and said how they felt. I just know Aubrey’s peers are disgusted with rn!
This is the energy we need, direct and to the point.
When the smoke clears, folk will regret this beef all the way around... This AI shit was a mistake. But... It's dead industry wise... And this beef ushered it in.
Drake opened a can of worms with that. I'm suspicious as to why he decided to normalize AI BS
@@dabrownonehe made one song doing it goddamn relax 😂😂😂
@@PaperChaserLa everything starts with just one though🤣
@@queenofbuttercreampeople were doing AI before Drake stop it😂 Y'all nerds
@@bryonstevenson1084 so you think it is the same when a nobody used AI and when someone as big as Drake uses it the way he did, the way it's been promoted on this beef? Bless your heart.
Beautiful moment, thank you Vince. Well done
I have a feeling give or take a few years and people will be looking at this whole Kendrick,drake,Cole shit very differently but shoutout Vince staples he don’t give af about this corny “beef”.
I already look it at differently now. I hope it don’t take people too long to wake up.
Especially with albums dropping around it
He never called it corny nor said he don’t care about it , he just saying what else should be seen as important or more important , but keep acting like knew what Vince was talking about before he said it
@@iamhexoronii He clearly didn’t care on speaking about that meaningless shit and he made it known throughout this vid. Yeah sure he didn’t say word for word what I said but it seemed to be implied heavily
They won't they will keep repeating the same thing.
“An older wiseman can still learn a lot from a younger mind”
Vince gave me some homework to research 🙏🏾🎧
“make sure when you shuck and jive, you pour the salt on the ground”
This is why I love Vince Staples. He was raised by some upstanding blackmen who I can tell had their own mind and were advanced thinkers
Grown black men who don't know what soft shoe is. We are lost
What does it mean tho????
This was so concerning. Especially when they fake want to kick knowledge. Speaks volumes.
@@Y3nzu Tap dancing around issues involving White people by excluding them from blame and\taking up for them unnecessarily.
@@Y3nzulmao mfs more concerned with people not knowing an uncommon term, but actively ignore anyone asking what it means.
This is another reason the communitah is uneducated.
I'm saying them brothas look upper 30s and 40s how tf yall haven't heard bout the minstrel Era smh
Vince has a good heart
Vince is scary smart
Parls trying to defend his cuts lol like na, most other genres have session producers. The executive producer and the ones with outside clout might get the splits (ex Dr. Luke), but otherwise everyone else is getting basic wages from whomever employed them. Only in hip hop is where the songwriter is seen as expendable when it comes tot the money splits, but truly only in black created genres.
Well said
Yeah I always found that weird tbh, just reading into the industry and the splits was so mad confusing and at the end the artist pays the producer and still ahs to give up a cut, you aint making no money
The producers who work with pop artists like Taylor Swift absolutely get their splits and songwriting credits. Morgan Wallen has 3-5 people with songwriter credits on every song on his album. Rappers can pay for exclusive license to beats with no profit splits if they want to do it that way, but it will cost a lot more. Producers often write the hooks too. A lot of the rappers out there would be nothing without the producer creating their whole sound for them.
@@pro-00001💯
9:22 Vince fucked him up right here. Joe didn't even have a response, so he was forced to just fake loud laugh it off like a bafoon and get Vince off the phone as soon as possible before he could embarrass him any further. You can see right through him. Sad.
Halfway thru this..... Excellent points Vic! ......👏👏
This Was A Powerful Message I Felt Everything He Was Saying 💯❗️
Vince is soooo Cali 💯
Vince threw shots at drake without throwing shots at drake I'm jus sayin
No he didn't, that's just how you are taking it because you don't like Drake
I’m not gone lie Parks, this wasn’t for you to speak on 😂
Why? He’s a producer
FUNY THING IS KANYES SONG HE JUST DROPPED DISSING DRAKE AND COLE HE LITERALLY MENTIONS THE CEO OF UNIVERSAL NAME AND SPEAKS ON WHAT VINCE IS SPEAKING ON
Stop. We supposed to hate Kanye
@@rajuansharief yah b.b...but he is "anti-Semitic"
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@@jameslight4391 drake who is half black and half jewish can have lyrics like:
"Sick of these niggas,
Hire some help, get rid of these niggas"
But would/could never release the same song where he says jews or k1kes instead of the n word
@@TerrelleAndersonsame since the beginning... Def jam and lyor Cohen... Nwa and jerry heller...
Michael Jackson literally said
"You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me"
And kept david geffen and rabbi schmuley on a list of his enemies.
Vince explains more about the music industry in 10 minutes than Budden in 300 episodes of a 3hr podcast
That's cuz he actually raps....well 😂😂😂
Vince always dropping gems!
thank you Vince! well said and deeply needed! Thank you for calling out Joe Budden on that "Death of J. Cole" bs.....Drake, Kendrick, and J. Cole are three of the nicest people in rap/hip-hop history. The idea of them being involved in beef is trifling.
Rappers dissing each other is such an easy way to boost streaming numbers that i think these kinds of situations will become entirely orchestrated by labels in the future, if they arent already. Sure hip hop was always competitive but that competition is just a commodity now
Vince basically said Drake is on some bs
That Part. That's why the rappers are against him right now. That diss with Snoop and Tupac on it was BS. Snoop don't care just as long as her get paid by Drake.
How? Drake didn't start this Kendrick did
@@michigan48😂😂😂 any thing to be mad at Drake huh? It’s just funny because had Kendrick did the A.i shit, tunes would be MUCH different 😂😂 love the double standards yall have
Drake got a whole blackface photo out here. I look sideways at any black person that supports him.
he did it cowardly
Vince is 100 percent facts
Ye calls out Lucian and UMG and gets called a jealous Drake hater.
he never called them out, he just said their name...he didnt say shit about them
@@BBWatson100We know his name now…he called him out! Stop it
@@ethanhuntemcee1663 everybody already knew his name tf hes a public figure lmao
@@BBWatson100I didn’t know him and the common listener wouldn’t either or know he’s linked to Drake
@@keneg4087 but also dont gaf about the music industry until you hear these fools talk about it...if you did you would know who the president of UMG is with minimal reaserch...not like it was a secret
Great ep
Masssa like a soft shoe 😂😂😂
Facts. Cause yall gassin Chris Brown bringing up Takeoff's death but if Chris Brown get smoked yall gon be the same people cryin "Cant we all just get along?! 😪"
Bhris brown didn't diss takeoff tho... He actually bigged him up 👆
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He didn't mention J Prince so he ain't finna die.
@@TBtheking405216 😂😂
Salute to you, Vince. 💯
I love how lost queens flip was it show the difference in culture from black American from foreign blacks
Blacks people are only the Americans. Everyone else has their respective names attached to their nation and culture. That’s why at times they may call themselves black but many will say “im not black” black is not a race. Its an American label for yall.
Love how they just cut parks off at the end lol
We want to see artist vs artist, not artist vs label. Listen to this man.
Jiggin’ and boo’n got me weak!
Vince speaking that uncomfortable truth! lol got em shook. I like 2024
Can’t wait to hear this later 😂
Soft shoe “A speech, explanation, sales pitch, or other set of remarks delivered in a restrained or conciliatory manner in order to persuade, distract, or otherwise influence someone.” I’m black and I’ve never heared this
Being black doesn’t give you automatic knowledge of the definitions of terms you’ve never heard before 😂. It’s not a common phrase that people use
@@BrotherMalMusic I know but he said “ you not black foreal if you don’t know what a soft shoe is”
@@ItsJaseShawty that wasn’t the quote, so you didn’t have to put quotation marks. But yeah, I know what he said and it was kinda weird for him to say that, but I don’t think he seriously meant that. He’s been speaking on Black art for years and I doubt he knew that phrase the whole time. I’ve never heard of the phrase until now, but if you use context clues, he basically told you what it was. When he first said it, he immediately used the word _”coonery”_ and we all know what that is.
It's sound like some Cali shit. You got 4 New Yorkers and a Canadian on that panel.
@@TBtheking405216 nah its in the same lane as cooning and being a sambo. Shinin is another one. Look up dave chappelles when keeping it goes wrong he even does a soft shoe impression.
Parks feelings are hurt 😂😂
He was mad 😠 mad 😡
I don’t even understand why he was mad
Nah Parks was right. The "hip-hop producer" IS a songwriter, no doubt.
In the past, "the writer" was the person or people who created the music or the wrote the lyrics and the producer was overseeing the whole thing. Like a movie director.
In hip-hop, the producer is the one who writes the music. The hip-hop producer absolutely deserves the same royalties as a writer.
@@Eli-ss9gjwhere was Parks mad? Do y'all not know what an angry person sounds like?
Parks disagreed bc he's a Producer.
JOE BRING HIM BACK
Vince on point 🎯
Vince gave these older gentlemen and lady a wake up call on how GROWN BLACK PEOPLE should be guiding the conversation and thinking of their audience.
Vince was right, never trust a signed artist, they'll cut you out of publishing and credits, fockem!!
Vince always dropping jewels
Vince is the MVP…talk it..!
The way everyone shuts up when Vince says anything 🗣️‼️💯✅
Yall too grown to be playing stupid 😅 that man cooked yall with facts
I love vibe fr bro 😂😂😂😂
"Heavy brained ass ninja." lmaooo
Thanks.
Protect Vince 🙌🏽
God bless the sober wisdom of Vince Staples
Vince always talked with a heavy heart
7:41 Vince called that shit perfectly and they had no solid answer for it
Love how flip was dead silent 😂
Vince is a voice
Vince mental is elite.🔥🔥🔥🔥
THIS was a great explaination...what a fantastic take?...thank you JPB for allowing Vince to speak...Ask Parks how current?
Someone mentioned not being able to share this video on facebook and he was right!!!
It’s perspective though. Because as a producer , I see it as , the easy ways to get samples now is not necessarily cutting out the MPC , it’s the evolving of sampling. The MPC is still there if you want to go back and create like that
Two things can be true: Drop a diss record and own the publishing of the record.
Why Diss?
You really missed the point
ATE. THAT. UP.
Make sure when yall shuckin and jivin make sure there's some salt on the ground.. and they glossed past it.
It's when Joe asked Vince what he was doing at the end of the call.... Vince was out working... about to change someone's life but had this conversation on deck while being interupted in his day. Never taking the bait - Peace to the Gods
Commanded the whole room's attention. Salute Vince.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Vince ain't playing with you Joe!
Every word Vince said was a gem
Joe damn sure didn't know what soft shoe was 😂😂😂😂
Keep Jiggin and Booin ! I was peeing on myself trying to get up the stairs to the toilet !!
Mannnn I love Vince! ❤