Kenne Bell Supercharged 2001 Mustang GT at CIA Performance for Dyno time! From Lucore Automotive
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2020
- This project has been a LONG time in the making and we are finally getting a chance to get it over to our friends at CIA Performance for some tuning! This little red New Edge Mustang is hiding some secrets under the hood and now we get the chance to show them off a little!
In the early 2000s the Mustang GT powered by a 4.6 liter 2 valve was a fun component and competitive car in its stock form but compared with the power modern V8s are making they just don't stack up anymore. However, there's an easy way to breathe new life into those old Mustangs and in this case it's by forcing air down its throat with a Kenne Belle blower! Kenne Belle superchargers have been around for decades and are a proven solution to greater power without a crazy amount of cost or complication. As you'll see it not only helps bring our old Mustang considerably higher on power but it also adds that satisfying super charger whine!
Not only is there a 2.1 liter supercharger under the hood, but INSIDE the motor there's also hiding a fully rebuilt motor sporting a 4.6 stroker motor taking displacement up to 5.0 liters! Oh and those rods, pistons, and crank, are all forged units from Eagle so she's built and ready for some hard work! Even with what are essentially stock heads with stock cams we should see some serious improvements over the factory 220-230whp these mustangs made when new. All supporting modifications have also been made as well including a new upgraded fuel pump and fuel injectors mounted in a factory fuel rail. The original supercharger pulley setup was used as well as we didn't know what boost level it was set for, however now that the dyno run has been done... maybe it's time to swap the pulley and go for a bit more boost?
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These 2v mustangs sound so good. I have a Kenne Bell 2v as well and they just sound so good.
1000% agree with you! Personally owned a '99 convertible GT and absolutely LOVED how that car sounds. It's a rumble to this day I can call out from a block away without seeing the car. Add to that some sexy supercharger whine and you're making 'Merica Music!
im running a V2 with a power cooler, im debating selling for a 2.1 KB. think it would be worth the switch ?
idk much about the V2 but I love the throttle response and instant torque of the KB. They also run nearly full boost at like 2000rpm
@@danielrichards2246 how much did the kenne belle and install and all that fun stuff cost you? would like to get one soon
@@Legend-dh2bo I believe it was around $5-6k with all goodies. I did the install myself. The instruction booklet they give u is very easy to use.
I love that you kept the 2v. Not many people build for paneer and keep the 4.6 with 2V heads.
This is the combo I’m considering for my 2v Mustang.. love the way the 03/04 Cobra intercooler tank looks with the Kenne bell. Good video
Thank you, it's definitely a good setup for plenty of smiles and destroyed tires without going the route of the Coyote swap. We're also VERY likely to make a pulley change and up the power output a few points ;)
I got the same set up with a moroso tank
Video on my channel if you want to see
@@Kb_2v I watched :) She's definitely happy about being brought to life on a cold morning! With the higher boost pulley setup swapped onto this blower should be interesting to see what it makes!
I got a polished 3.2 liquid cooled kit on order right now 😎
I want a Kenne Bell for my 2v!!! Next year for sure.
Definitely a good investment just be careful with the tuning and fuel! Really hard not to love the sound of KB on a 2v. Actually have some upgrades in store for this thing coming soon that will wake it up even more. We love this little thing!
Old school setup. I did one like this 2.1 intercooler kb with 16psi and made in the 500s. Made 640 on spray. 60lbs injectors 10% innovatorswest overdrive Plugs tr6 BTW gapped at .35 twin pumps in cobra tank
Whew 500s would definitely be interesting, what were you running for internals? This is on essentially break in boost and 93 octane so there's a LOT more left on the table with some adjustments
@@LucoreAuto this is the link to. ua-cam.com/video/0SldbIoFSbU/v-deo.html
It went through a lot of different setups. At one point I was making well over 600 on a stock short block. First An mmr600 then a built motor by myself
@@LucoreAuto on my channel there's some old videos of it too with the kenne bell
@@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast will definitely go give it a watch!
@@LucoreAuto if you have any questions I'd be willing to help. I spent probably 25k and 5+ years non stop trying to make that car what I wanted and realized it wasn't going to happened and switched cars. Feel like it was wasted time but if it can help someone else it wouldn't feel as wasted haha. Good luck with the car. They're definitely fun to a certain level. Although probably not your goal it's worth saying that if you're looking to smoke vettes not so much, it can be done but not really without a turbo, large procharger, or vmp blower.
Hey the HP numbers were a little hard to see. What were they?
which kenne bell supercharger is on it? need a ring for pulley
Any idea where to get the intake manifold?
Every time these guys talk about the blower it makes me wanna rip my hair out. The KB is a 2.1 which is the size of a blower on factory GT500s, it is more than adequate for the engine. Boost is pressure not volume, the blower will flow the same volume of air on a 3.2L V6 as it would on a 6.wL V8. Pressure can bleed through overlap in the camshafts at the higher end. This blower with better heads and cams on that 4.6 is capable of 500HP to the crank at 9-10PSI.
Hey man I'm looking to put PI heads/stock PI cams on my 95 T-bird 4.6. Want to go with a blower. Any suggestions? I want to avoid the centrifugal type blower.
My thoughts exactly Joe..
@@LarryReynolds591 the thunderbird engine bay is pretty tight, you'll probably have to throw on a flat electric fan and get rid of the shroud. The kit to look for is a takeoff intake from a 99-04 Saleen S281 "stage 2?" I can't remember what designated the supercharger, some saleens had a regular NA 2V. Anywho it's a 2v lower intake manifold with a hole on top for an Eaton M90, the same size supercharger from a thunderbird supercoupe or buick regal 3800. Sometimes you can find the 2.1 Mammoth supercharger like in this video with the intake. There's still other odds and ends you'll need like bigger injectors, or a different routing for the upper coolant hose, but the S281 intake is the main piece. Honestly I don't like prochargers or any of the other brands either, I know they make more boost but I just don't like the sound or how messy It looks under the hood. Your compression is going to be up from the PI head swap already, so don't skimp on parts, get ARP head studs and good MLS headgaskets. And degree the cams to set timing properly. I tried to go off the dots on the cam gears and mine had 3 different dots. I played the guessing game and cracked a piston, bent all 4 intake valves, and shit out all the hydraulic lash adjusters in the head, cracked a cam rocker. It was hell.
@LR-hq6wj I would get a department of boost setup that allows use of 03-04 cobra blowers on the 2v. The stock blower would do good on stock motor 2v but if you ever wanted to build the bottom end you have access to modern blowers the 2v doesn't normally have access to like the gen3r 2650 tvs or even a used 2.3 tvs.
Where can I get a smaller pulley kit for my Kenny Bell on my 2v?
Be careful not to overspeed the supercharger if you change the lower pulley. Kenne Bell states the max RPM is 18,000 (Engine RPM x Upper/Lower Pulley ratio). That exposed under hood air filter should really be addressed as well. It's sucking in hot air from the engine bay instead of fresh, cool air from the fender with the stock setup. Heat soak and high IATs are an issue on these setups even without sucking in hot engine bay air.
Good info for future
You could get a dry ice intercooler.
Please make more videos of this 2v plz
We have some more modifications to make to it over the next couple weeks then she'll be back on camera ;) So many projects going on around here only so much time!
I did notice at higher rpm the whine of the blower stopped increasing, while engine rpm kept climbing. Could be experiencing some belt slip?
The pitch changed a bit for sure and that's honestly one of the reasons we video tape our dyno runs, not just to show them off to everyone! ;)
It doesn't seem to be a belt slipping issue having rewatched it several times. Also looking at the boost graph it seems to hold through that change we hear. BUT it does drop off slightly after that as the small blower is fighting to fill the volume of air it needs to with the extra inches of displacement.
@@LucoreAuto That belt was slipping like hell !
@@Nicecardude100 we'll go back and watch again, it's certainly possible. We're also doing some upgrades to this car and rerunning it since so many people seem interested. So, more soon to come!
@@Nicecardude100 Yes. for sure
@@justin.c_svt we'll see soon enough if the belt as an issue ;) Stay tuned!
Is this the setup for those olive valve springs?
Any other videos on this car?
So will this same Kenne Bell supercharger fit my 1999 grand marquis 4.6 2v?
Yes, it will fit.
Yes it will. I also blew my 02 gt motor and bought a grand marquis motor. Runs beautiful! Mostly everything fit. I just had to swap out oil pan and oil pump from the gt to grand marquis.
GET SOME HEADERS quick. THE STOCK exhaust manifolds are holding it back. CRANE CAMS make a decent cam line for this set up, I think on a 112 lca.
Look at Crane # HR÷212/550÷2÷16. Lca 116
We won't likely do a cam swap, while yes it would give us more power it's not REALLY necessary for this machine to be hilariously fun and fast. However headers and a few more PSI.. that's something we very likely could see happen ;)
@@LucoreAuto are you running stock heads?
@@w41duvernay the entire bottom end is replaced and built, the heads have been rebuilt with just a little bit of work on stock cams.
The heads on these newer new edges are pi heads and actually do a great job supporting most builds. Of all the parts. The heads on these engines are quite sturdy. As well as the block. Just not that bottom end😂😅
This makes me want to get a 3.2 kb for my gt. It’s already got forged internals awaiting boost, the cost really turns me off though lol
how much did it cost you to forge the bottom end ?
@@angelinapanetta2974 well my gt already had the motor rebuilt when I got it so unfortunately I don’t really have cost numbers. They’re Eagle connecting rods and pistons though, and a 96-98 cobra crank. That should point you in the direction for prices for what I have
Being honest we LOVE the driving characteristics of the 4.6 Mustang GTs they are just great cars, even if they aren't modern "fast". With a bit of boost they can definitely move, but they've got the be properly prepared for it or bad things can & will happen. This motor also had forged rods/pistons/crank done when the rebuild was completed. Eagle sells and entire "kit" for it, we ordered ours through Jegs.
It's certainly not not cheap though! At minimum you'll have 2500-3000 in parts plus a few thousand dollars in labor depending on how much work you have the machine shop do.
@@natedawg23451000 I could lay out a paragraph but this phrase does the job. *Buy once, cry once.* If you buy something that isn't what you want you'll probably end up buying it anyways and have spent more momey.
Graph said 269 hp without tune?
Where can I buy one of these super charges I go to their website and I can’t figure out how to buy them
Call the number on their site, they only ship direct.
Typically speaking you are buying from one of their vendors, though I BELIEVE they also do sell direct to customers over the phone.
Now without a price limit what would it usually cost to get a larger crank for the 4.6 4v? Everywhere I look I only see over priced cobra cranks. Also how much is porting usually and balancing of crank and pistons?
I'm pretty sure Eagle makes stroker packages for the 4v 4.6 motors as well? But don't hold me to that. If so you can buy the entire rotating assembly "balance" or buy it unbalanced and have your machine shop handle the job.
All told building a motor like this is NOT cheap, parts and labor you're easily north of $8k depending on what you choose a how much you put into porting everything.
@@LucoreAuto sounds perfect to me thank you! Pricing usually isn’t the issue since I am taking my time with this build. Just doing piece by piece over time.
@@AdamAve93 very welcome, we're always here to answer questions if we can!
I have a 04 mustang GT automatic dark shadow gray I bought a set of chrome staggered wheels and a cold air intake and she will get up and go but I would like to have a blower but I am not trying to build a race car just add a little 50 to 70 hp I would like to crack 300 hp I would happy
These new edge Mustangs with 300 or so at the tires are an absolute BLAST, enough power to have a ton of fun but not get you in too much trouble or break... everything attached.
The first thing I noticed that the cold air intake is sucking hot air from under the hood robbing lot of cold air and horsepower. Gale Banks would have a field day criticizing this build. The cats are probably 50% plugged and who knows what metal is in there again robbing horsepower.
If I was on my 3rd motor and into a build for a completely built stroker and I didn't bust 350hp I think I'd be giving up. Buddy can't pick a shop and he'll clearly spend whatever someone tells him he'll need to.
We weren't willing to do the job and just drop a stock used motor in it, neither was anyone else so it was kind of a build it right or don't do it scenario. Putting a car together only to see it grenade AGAIN is not a good look, especially for a shop like us.
The motor is capable of considerably more power, this video is just the baseline to get it drive-able for shake down. Still has the factory exhaust manifolds, still has the factory cats, and only on 8psi of boost.
Some simple bolt on exhaust work, a pulley swap for 3psi more boost and you're EASILY well past 350whp ;)
@@LucoreAuto that's fine... although to be fair a good chunk of this video was about how you were already out of supercharger, not true I bet btw. Pretty sure KB has blowers in this class pushing trucks into the low 11s.
Just hard to believe this guy spreng for a KB and a stroker, but not a set of pace americans. Seems like he got some bad advice or makes choices for himself without understanding what he's doing.
@@Zaphod7835 the blower is a used unit that was on the two previous motors that blew up. So there was no additional cost for that. The point of doing a built motor wasn't necessarily to make piles more power it was to make a reliable durable motor that would stand up to use and abuse.
There are plenty of ways to pull more power out of this 4.6 2v, unfortunately we only had so much budget to work with. Also keep in mind this is the smallest KB blower, on the least amount of boost.
He just said it doesn't have any supporting mods basically. Meaning stock heads, stock cams, stock exhaust including log manifolds, stock everything other than the bottom end and its on the lowest boost possible. Headers, exhaust, cams and different pulley setup would pick up big power on this combo.
Hmmmmm kind of like that!
This generation of Mustang has oddly been one of MY personal favorites for years... having one this strong that makes a sexy supercharger whine is even better!
350 and 400, not bad, with a tune, heads and cam i would think at least 400 and 450
Even easier than that, with a pulley swap it'll be 400 and 450, just you wait! ;)
@@LucoreAuto i have a 95 vert with a built 347, meth injection and kb 2.1 s/c ts series at 15psi, love the blowers they make
@@mikep1318 have you put it on a dyno to run it? What boost level do you hold to redline, see the same drop off we are at 5000+ RPM?
@@LucoreAuto i have a tune, redline to 5800, 486whp and 522 torque. Manual trans. Meth injection, 42lb injectors and afrs 11.3 to 11.5 on boost
@@mikep1318 so this is also manual transmission, same injectors. 5.0 stroker with all forged internals, stock heads and cams. About 9.8 : 1 compression. Should be able to push boost up to around 10-12psi on pump gas, and pick up some pretty decent power. You'll have us beat with the extra displacement and higher boost BUT... would come down to a hell of a drivers race! ;)
Follow the KB installation manual and make an easy 400 hp. Need TR6 Plugs gapped at .35 and injectors of 36 to 42 lbs.
Has the plugs, has the injectors :)
Ported PI heads , PI intake , 274XE cams , Accufab Tbody 70mm , full length headers , x pipe , flowmasters , and a tune 373 gear and under pullies will get 400 hp all motor add 8 to 12 lbs on that combo and hit 600hp dude had any brains he wouldve went to a built TESKID 4v
The only thing really holding this thing back from making CONSIDERABLY more power is the fact it's still on factory manifolds and factory exhaust. Open that up and there's a pile of power left on the table. Unfortunately per the original build that wasn't in the cards, however come spring time this year that's very possible.
REMEMBER KIDS, FORGED INTERNALS! Don't do this at home!
Lol! Yes this thing is all forged on the inside so ready to take abuse.. and more abuse... and some more abuse. As long as the block holds up ;) More in store for this spring have a few much requested upgrades to do then FINALLY get to enjoy it with some track time too.
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Thanks for the droppings! 😀
$8k built engine , $5k blower and made what a $1k junk yard LS with a cam will make.
On low boost through full exhaust and stock exhaust manifolds, there's still plenty left on the table at this point 😉
I also have a 2.1 on my stock 2v. I made 421/464.
Prob have alot better supporting mods. Bet you have headers and exhaust don't you? Possibly cams too? Likely more boost. There is alot more to the story.
@@midnight347 it had 100% stock motor. Shorty headers with cats.
When did Jack Black get into building cars ??
Lol! 😀
About 6 years ago 😉
holy crap! average attention span is like under a min... what was the stock rwhp and torque, and what was the supercharged rwhp and torque with ur built bottom end? most people who look at this vid are trying to compare supercharger options
That car is being sooo choked up with that stock exhaust 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Headers and a pulley swap then thing will DEFINITELY wake up. Should be a fun ride for spring time ;)
350hp with a Kenny bell i think is just stay na and save all that money spent
Its only running 8 psi and his has stock manifolds and cats that really holds it back. With those in place it would make another 30-40 horse prob at even less boost. Do that and pulley the thing down you're well past 400 to the tires. Its not spinning at all.
You're exactly right Ike, the stock manifolds and cats are what is holding this thing back for sure. It's more than capable of much more than what it's making, even a set of shorty headers and high flow cats would see a BIG power increase. Also yes you are correct, that's the lowest pressure setup we could break this car in on. A pulley swap in addition to the exhaust and it's 400 to the tires easily
Its still a.sweet set up man I've always liked the Kennybell supercharger
See the overall supporting mods matter alot. Only way you're getting anywhere near that na is with ported heads or aftermarket heads, cams, manifold, headers full exhaust and really good fuel. This car has none of those supporting mods. No heads no cams no headers stock midpipe etc. Not having those things make boost higher but it's still only king 8 psi. If they did heads, cams, headers and free flowing exhaust it would prob drop to like 5 psi at this current pulley setup lol. It's very conservatively pullied. You give the boosted setup the same supporting mods the na setup would need to come anywhere near this same power level the boosted setup is gonna be at like 450-500 at 10 psi or less. The overall supporting mods matter alot. There is more to it than type of blower and amount of boost. You gotta look at the big picture.
installing a blower without having the heads worked is basically a waste of time.
How do you figure?
@@LucoreAuto if youre going to all the trouble of installing a stroker kit,then you might as well get some perfomance cylinder heads and blower cams.
@@johndillinger8482 well the crank rods and pistons needed replaced anyway, so the cost for the stroker kit was negligible. The cost aftermarket improved cylinder heads or even sending off the original set would have been anywhere from a thousand to several thousand dollars, swapping to an aftermarket set if cams and springs would have been another thousand plus. So we would have $2,000-$4,000 in additional costs in the build. How much power would that have gotten us? 15whp? 20? As we point out in the video there are other choke points in this system that need improved before we look at a serious cylinder head upgrade. Being this is a blower application the honest way to make more power is to turn up the boost, a few extra pounds of boost will MORE than make up for the difference and you're looking at $100 for more boost and 15 minutes of work.
@@LucoreAuto
Have you guys heard of trick flow heads for these 2 valves. Expensive yes, but 100 plus horsepower bold on...with kenne bell it would be sick!
@@Vlad4949 they make a good product for sure but honestly in this situation not really necessary. With a slight upgrade in the pulley to push a little more boost we're already going to be at a comfortable limit of what the transmission and clutch will be happy with. There's definitely power locked away in this thing but at the end of the day we don't need ALL the ponies it can make!
Usually shops are making videos about Great results. Not cars with low power numbers, and 10 other things a car needs to NOT have low power. I thought I heard $8,000 for the bottom end. Either way a built bottom end and a named brand blower ain't cheap. Way too much to spend for 349 rwhp.
Oh it certainly wasn't cheap, and you are right typically most shops are all about showing bit amazing spectacular results and nothing else. We try to be as honest as we can be with every project we build, and every video we put out. Was this motor build expensive? Yes absolutely. Could you make more lower for less money? Yes absolutely. In our world, and with this build specifically, we were looking to build something solid and durable that could also make very good power.
One of the biggest points of having a car on a dyno and gathering data is the ability to plan future changes and upgrades, as well as spot weaknesses. With everything we learned from this session, we're essentially a pulley swap, which IS quick and inexpensive, away from essentially the limits of what a factory 4.6 2v block can take reliably. These pulls were the first runs to redline this motor has made, so consider it a shake down.
For real.
@@jesusofamerica over build it the first time so it doesn't break and you have room to expand in the future ;)
@V Moya it's makes more than 349 rwhp. I have stock internals and mine made 435 rwhp at 9 pounds.
@@oscarmagana1840 how stock is stock? :) Cams? Manifolds or headers? Cats?
That thing has a kb and is only making 350?? I make 350 w Boltons and tune😂😂sum ain’t right here
Low boost, factory cams, factory manifolds 😉 There's still a ton of power locked away on that thing
The magna flow exhaust on these just don’t sound as good as other mufflers. Oddly enough a set of flow masters and a good cat delete and these cars sound like a raped ape coming down the road
The sound of a Mustang through Flowmasters is about one of the most 'Merica V8 sound from the 80s and 90s you can get. Purrfect rumble with plenty of attitude. There's certainly power left on the table with this thing, it's running only 8psi, running through factory manifolds, and still has the original cats in place so exhaust mods will certainly wake it up.
There's a better than decent chance some or all of that will be addressed not TOO far down the road ;)
Absolutely not. Magnapack/oval magnaflows you hear the nice deep tone of the engine. Blow master you hear the baffles in the mufflers. Put a flow 40 on any engine and the tone is so similar. Magnaflow all day
@@Broncofivepointslow yeah no. You can keep your trash exhaust on your own vehicles lol. Flowmaster all day any day over magnaflow. You could use a flowmaster with holes in it and it would still sound better than any magnaflow exhaust. All you get with magna flow is a gutless rasp that sounds like your car is taking a shit.