Choking up can be a valuable tool for barrel control, but don't use it for exit velocity or power. Definitely useful for catching up to fasting pitching or when hitting with 2 strikes. Often you'll hear "well the all time leader of home runs (Barry Bonds) always choked up on his bat" Barry is a good example of somebody who is so dang strong, that he can afford to literally sacrifice power from his swing and focus more on barrel control by choking up.
I love your channel and I choose my bat for school on your recommendations. I have a question I go through a lot of gloves and heard a lot about Bruce Bolt gloves. How do you like them?
I have to disagree with this. Because you can literally let go of the bat right before you hit the ball and it will go just as far. So all that matters getting the barrel there accurately. So aka using a 34 choked up a inch vs. a 33 on the chuck Knoblock ( if the bats are similar weight of course) you should be able gt to control the bat better and drop blakatahs. In theory. I chocked up until I was about 15 then I started yanking for light towers. I might been a ax handle guy if they had them back then But Bregman.. I know this is a bad example of bat control but #13 on the yankees. Nukes.. and he chokes up.. and Anthony Rizzo if someone throwing gas.. idk bro. My logic is sound 🖖
Haven’t finished the video but the bat speed is the end of the bat. Just like a golf club, the longer the club the faster the club head is moving. Shortening the club lessens the club head speed. That’s why long drivers are so long. Choking up allows you to have more control and get the barrel to the ball faster but it won’t be velo wise because it’s just a shorter distance from hands to barrel.
The thing with a long driver is that a golfer has to be tall enough to actually take advantage of the length of the driver or be able to get around a lack of height through standing further back from the ball. That usually involves coiling the muscles in the back more horizontally than vertically, which brings it's own set of consequences, to make sure the ball goes on the intended air path. I realize accuracy is not in the purview of the video above but it does need to be said, I think. Taller golfers just have physical advantages over shorter golfers. I've used max length drivers (48 inches) and found no advantage for me (I am 6 foot 270ish pounds, kinda jacked but not really fit) personally because I can't stand in the right place in the golfer's box (ha!) to take advantage of such a club while hitting it accurately. I have begun to choke down so my top hand is an inch from the end on my driver (which is the max length because most of them are sold at it and I've never gotten it fitted) so I have more of a straight line swing to the ball. The clubs I have the most problem with controlling velocity/ball speed/accuracy is my wedges. I usually hit them the right distance but pull them by around 5ish yards most of the time. It's very annoying and the biggest threat to my score when I play.
@@GutsBatman the point still stands that the farther you get from a point the faster it moves when you go in a circle. Only time it gets slower is if it gets significantly heavier. If they’re the same weight the shorter of the two will be swung “slower.” The reason wedges are short is because they aren’t for distance they’re for accuracy. Same with choking up on a bat.
Technically speaking, I think choking up on the bat has less to do with the actual speed of the barrel and more to do with the length of the swing itself. Aka diameter of the rotation. Maybe the speed of the barrel is physically slower when choking up, but the full rotation of the swing might actually be the same or quicker time wise. Purely because the total distance that the bat travels is smaller. Try using a 34” or 35” of The Goods and see if they register higher speeds to prove or disprove the theory.
Barrel speed at the point of contact really is all that matters though when it comes to exit velo and that’s all we’re trying to track here. But choking up can totally help with factors outside of exit velo such as barrel control and catching up to fasting pitching like you’re saying here 🙌
The more you choke up you’re allowing the barrel to lose more and more weight. Imagine choking up half a foot , you’re losing so much weight the swinging speed at that point means nothing anymore but every inch does take accountability for losing velocity. Im a welding and it’s same thing with metal. The more metal you cut off of one big sheet, the less it weighs thus making it weaker with less potential of holding up.
I don't choke up at all when I used to play back in high school (2004 - 2006). Since I'm getting back into shape to play in a recreational adult baseball league this spring, I don't wanna leave any stone unturned for when it comes to improving my swing by trying to choke up on my bats or not. At my age (33) I definitely need to get back to hitting the weights again too.
Same baseball bros! I just started playing again. I’m 32. After a month or so you start to feel acclimated. However I’m still really out of shape. If I run hard for a double I’m gassed and it feels like it takes a whole inning to catch my breath again 😂
Choking up isn’t about bat speed. It’s about barrel control and time in the zone. Choking up shortens the effective length of the bat. This reduces the “swept area” of the swing. Meaning you get to the zone a little faster. The downside is you lose power because your bat speed goes down.
@@CoconutMigrating absolutely. There are just some misconceptions out there that choking up increases your 'power' - which is what prompted us to do this test. It can help you get barrel to the ball, but it's not gonna increase your bat speed
@@thefather3363 bonds didn't really choke up, he used a huge ass weighted knob to offset the log he was swinging which made it look like he was choking up and allowed him to shorten his swing massively compared to say Mark McGuire's swing at that time. but at the end of the day every batter has their own preference on how they hold their bat.
I was always amazed at the power Barry Bonds had because he choked up on the handle around 3 inches or so. Pete Rose used to choke up a lot and he only averaged a homerun every 80-100 plate appearances. In little league the coach would tell the players having trouble with contact to choke up on the bat for barrel control and it usually helped. The bigger guys using normal hand grip were the ones hitting the ball the farthest.
I truly don’t think choking up was ever intended to increase bat speed, probably just for better bat control, which is why you “choke up” in 2 strike counts//big spots
@@joshcline9539 all power is is bat speed. The weight of the bat matters only very slightly. Much less than like a 5mph wind. You could acutally let go of the bar right before contact and it would go just as far.. Its only for control. Big Mark McGuire famously had like 100+ mph bat speed..Bonds had the shortest to the ball stroke of all time. Even before be got old and muscles. But it annoys me because everyone gets old and slow and puts on weight.. Why did everyone got mad at bonds for it? Because he kept raking
Will i have so much to unpack here with you about this study. I'm gonna hit you up on IG, but 3 things i will say 1. I had already made a calculator that estimated your bat speed at roughly 75-77 mph for a wood bat (goods comes pretty close to this) 2. 2 piece hybrids get more endloaded per length because the metal barrel is the same size for all lengths, the only difference is the composite handle length, so choking up on a 34" the goods is almost exactly the same as a 33" with +1oz of difference behind the hands (1oz in the hands is nothing really). This study does not transfer to 1 piece bats because those bats use different designs for different lengths. 3. Some wood bat knobs like Bells are designed to be held higher up the handle, which is what affects the weighting more than the mass IN the knob. As you know, I'm a huge bat science nerd so I have done a TON of research into this subject
I used to choke up on my Stinger Nuke for more control, which worked. But since I'm strong enough now I just hold it at the knob and I can can get more power and velos. Great video breakdown!
Great video idea! I’d love to see this done with a tapered knob vs standard. I always buy my son the Lizard Skin bat taper because he likes the feel; but I wonder if it affects bat speed!
I wonder if these speed changes would still stand if you use one of those rubber/silicone spacers that give you kind of a knob when choking up? Can you run it again with those?
Just a thought on the physics aspect: If you choke up, your hands are getting further away from the sensor. This moves the most critical pivot point further away from the device that is calculating your bat speed. I think there should be a disclaimer on any device like this that is meant to measure the physics of your swing that if you move your hands away from the sensor, the measurements are guaranteed to be less accurate, or at the very least, incompatible to be measured against data registered from a different hand position. Just think about how this sensor is trying to interpret your swing. It's mounted on the end of the bat and is assuming a consistent point of rotation a certain distance from where it's mounted. Moving your hands further away will trick it into thinking you're swinging slower due to the larger circumference (path) around which it must travel with a pivot point that is further away.
This comment should be pinned. The bat speed velocity numbers are 100% incorrect (too low) for the bats that were choked up because of the placement of the sensor. It was closer to the body, inside the hands. A sensor would need to be at the end of the bat to be accurate when measuring choked up versus standard.
Just as a part of the “experiment” …it would have been interesting to hit with a 32” but no choking up. So you can, perhaps, compare choking up to holding at the end of the bat across them all. Choking on the 33” basically makes it a 32” bat. So if you compared choking up on a 33” and holding the 32” on the end… does that exit Velo or distance or bat speed match? Interesting to find out how much choking up effects your statistics - which may have real world/in game consequences or effects. (For 34-32” bats…the most commonly used sizes amongst adults.).
came to say this maybe 32 normal and maybe 32 not choked up but pinky over the knob to extend the bats length a little..... it also would test if having more bat speed with an ounce less weight makes any difference
I think you should try that Aaron Judge 35" bat against another Chandler 33" bat and see what the results are. I wonder if the 35" will produce further hits and more batted ball speed despite a slower swing speed.
Ok I rarely if ever comment on things but I feel I have to jump in here. Experience 18 years as a baseball coach, hitting instructor, along with playing since I was 5 thru college, and now in an old-guy league. I have trained over 1000 kids to hit, and never ever, ever have had them choke up. You are breaking not only your mechanics, but your defeating the design of the bat. If you get into two strike counts and feel that choking up is the way out, well that reveals mechanical and timing issues that need to be addressed. Barrel control can be optimized by proper sizing of the bat, taper, weight, length, comfort. Most of the time your being beat by the pitcher, so choking up is just a cop-out for another problem. They used to choke kids up back in the day, even when I was young, because some coach from some MLB team told them that was what they do. Bat technology and customizing the bat to the kid is way better than the choke. Understand the swing, and work on what your hitting weakness is, before leaning on a crutch.
Love those BruceBolts Will! They are worth the premium price because they are awesome and last, I recommend the longcuff models for that wrist stability guys!
It’s for more bat control, I had a coach that was a scout for the rangers and he said to choke up on 2 strikes. I think it’s more for hitters who are struggling
When I was growing up I was always told choking up gave more control to where you can get the ball to. Like if I just wanted to go for the gap and hit that smart play instead of going for the fence on each swing choking up can help with that. But that’s just how I was taught to play.
I hung a pinky and choked up with 2 strikes for bat control. Crowded the plate chocked up about an inch and got the foot down. K's went way down when I started doing that.
I remember when I was a kid my coach kept telling me to choke up on the bat I never understood what he wanted it felt like choking up was his cure all for everything and I hated it because the knob would dig into me and I'd immediately go back down to the end. During practice he'd yell choke up and at games he'd yell choke up and it really pissed me off I didn't understand why or see any benefit. Then when I went to a different team that coach helped me choose a bat from a big variety he had and I started doing really good right away that was the first time i ever went to batting cages and stuff. This was many years ago when I was in little league. I was a really good pitcher one of the best in our area then I could hit pretty well too I was one of the better hitters on the team when I had a good coach.
I am shocked choking up did that well at all. The value of having a knob allows you to really torque a bat. I believe if you add another knob or have a bat designed to be chocked up on then I believe you could achieve better results with choking up. You could get similar bat control and higher exit velos. Just watched your video on knobs and seeing how each knob performed differently leads me to believe a bat made to chock up on could be better. A puck knob is okay but better can be designed.
Like most people are saying in the comments, choking up is for more barrel control. I think choking up for young hitters is a great idea until they learn to grow into their body and understand there swing. I would say to only choke up with 2 strikes and/or when a hitter is struggling or miss hitting balls. Once they learned that skill of barrel control then they could use the full length of the bat to maximize power and speed
Will. i think there may be an issue with the methodology here. I am unfamiliar with how the blast cap gathers bat speed but it seems like its taking the speed of the knob moving through the zone right? Wouldn't you be more concerned about the barrel end of the bat moving through the zone? Perhaps im wrong here but I believe you may get inverse results when taking readings from the barrel end.
That’s a great question man not sure. But the exit velo seems to suggest that barrel speed was still highest on the 33” standard grip - which at the end of the day is the only metric we’re really looking at here
Hey Christopher - when Blast measures bat speed, it's measuring the observed speed of the sweet spot of the bat at impact. The sweet spot of the bat is measured six inches from the tip of the bat.
Think about it tough. Hitting a 90 mph fastball no choke vs. 95 mph fastball choked. I would think bat speed would be equalized. We may need an equation. lol. Great video.
Have The Goods (Hammer Time) 1/2 & 1/2 and absolutely Love it!! Any opinions on the between sizes? Love seeing the squad all takin hacks together again! JT loving the mullet Bro!!
Here’s the thing… you’re also having beach balls thrown to you. Try this against MLB speed pitches where the faster velocity swing from choking up helps your speed and giving you extra time to read the pitch.
Considering Barry Bonds homered with a choked up bat, it goes to show that he was a freak of nature. Then again other factors like bat mass and the hardest-throwing pitchers in all of baseball may have had something to do with it as well… I know someone will respond with other reasons that he excelled… a different topic for another channel.
I had a thought as I was watching this video regarding exit velo. I have heard pitchers talk about throwing home runs based on pitch velocity and location. Mariano Rivera referenced that specifically when talking about the home run he gave up to Sandy Alomar Jr. in the 1997 ALDS. How much does ball velocity effect exit velocity? I see the pitches thrown are around 50ish mph. What would the testing look like if you used a pitching machine to throw faster?
A ton! Faster incoming velocity will always result in faster outgoing velocity- as long as the bat speed and placement on the barrel remains the same. 🙌
My understanding growing up in the midwest.. choking up helps bat control not power... therefore less bat speed. 2 strikes choke up and try to make contact. 2 - 0 , 3 - 1 count... hang a pinking off. and let it rip...
For years my dad always told me to choke up. I hit worse and it didn't feel as comfortable. Now I know for real that choking up only helps you if you need to catch up to fast pitching.
For me, it always felt unnatural, even if I did get a hit. I usually had good contact through all levels of baseball through HS, so I never really "had" to choke up, but when I heard the term, I just ignored it. I struck out more when I went after pitches I knew (later, that is) I had no business going after than ones I was fooled on or ones that were faster than I thought. But then again, I rarely went up against overpowering pitchers in HS. One thing I learned in bowling of all things (and I hated bowling): don't try to impress people with the weight of your bowling ball. If a lighter ball gets you strikes, use that. If you need a lighter or shorter bat to hit, use that. Your teammates will love a hitter more than a guy who shows off with a fancy bat. I hit with the ugliest bat that felt good.
Love the video. And every video. Do the same test with a machine. To many variables. Then, in my opinion, not discrediting this video, then you can have a true comparison. You’re videos, that I have show to many a parent, have helped them decide on a bat for their kids.
thank you! We just have a waaay more difficult time getting our timing right on a machine vs real pitching. But we take tons of swings (hundreds per video) in order to make sure we're catching a good amount of barrels with each bat.
I have the sensor and know that I enter the bat size and weight specs. Do you know if the sensor is at all thrown off when you choke up? Does it change the way it measures bat speed and is it still accurate? Seemingly, the point of choking up creates a more balanced bat. Also, the knob being against your hand changes the way the bat whips and allows for a quicker initial response. Not having the knob against your hand would cause a lag.
@@baseballbatbros Ofc, we can’t argue with the exit velo testing, but I wonder if instead of choking up, it would be better to switch to a more balanced bat when in a 2 strike count.
Hi there - When Blast measures bat speed, it's measuring the observed speed of the sweet spot of the bat at impact. The sweet spot of the bat is measured six inches from the tip of the bat. As for choking up, it essentially changes the length of the bat which affects the metrics.
@@BlastMotion How does changing bat length via choking up, affect bat speed measurement? Seems like, as an example, if you were to use a 34" bat, choked up an inch, shouldn't the length be changed to 33" in Blast to get an accurate reading? I wonder how the metrics measurement would change. If it were radar based, I can see not having to change the length because it would be measuring the object's actual speed rather than figuring it out via a computation and the use of, what I am guessing, is an accelerometer. Possibly as importantly, I am guessing that the knob may play a major role in acceleration and whip.
Hey bat bros!! Thank you for making my day such a blessing with your videos! I just had a quick request: Could you do a video where you put the BBI13HD against the JTBB9? Thank you!
Seems to me choking up is more about having a shorter distance to swing the bat than it is about bat speed. Even though the bat is moving slower you get through the swing faster because the bat travels a shorter distance and less mass in front of your hands. kinda like the difference of driving a race car on the inside of a turn vs. the outside even at the same speed the car on the inside will move ahead because its traveling a shorter distance. This is my guess, but who knows I could be an idiot and just missed the whole point of the video.
Barrel speed at the point of contact really is all that matters though when it comes to exit velo and that’s all we’re trying to track here. But choking up can totally help with factors outside of exit velo such as barrel control and catching up to fasting pitching like you’re saying here 🙌
I think it is mostly mental, batter is behind in the count. Coach says hey kid “choke up”and kid gets a hit. That’s what choking up is about, getting a hit. I know a lot of kids are told coming up if they choke up, they have a better chance. To me it is mostly mental, if you think you have an advantage, you will have more confidence and focus.
Check hand speed instead of barrel speed. You lose momentum choking up because barrel speed is the fastest the bat moves but doesn’t take into account acceleration and swing efficiency. I would expect you hands to move faster due to the “lighter bat”.
Very interesting but expected. Choking down never was about swinging faster in my opinion. It was more about controlling the barrel which this experiment seems to prove right. His contact was better when he choked down. Maybe not the same exit velo or swing speed but the barrels were more consistent.
There are some big flaws in the testing. The measuring device would need to be on your hands for each round if you are measuring hand speed. If you are measuring BAT SPEED the sensor needs to be on the same place AS RELATIVE TO YOUR HANDS. When gripped all the way down on the bat the butt end is for all intents moving at the speed of your hands, but when you choke up the sensor is now and inch+ further away and will actually SLOW DOWN as your release your hands through impact. This does not measure the speed of the bat itself, just the butt end slowing down... Put a sensor on the end of the bat would be best.
Hi Cloran - When Blast measures bat speed, it's measuring the observed speed of the sweet spot of the bat at impact. The sweet spot of the bat is measured six inches from the tip of the bat.
Choking up on this would throw off the calibration for this device because it's estimating the barrel velocity. A better way to do this would be to just use a radar gun to pick up the end of the bat, which would probably give you a higher velocity, I don't think your baseball is jumping off the bat 20 miles per hour faster, it's probably more like 10 you're probably swinging 85.
Im not sure if this has been addressed, but the sensor is calibrated to the length of the bat so choking up would affect that calibration. Im not sure how or if Blast can account for choking up. Anyone?
I'll reach out and see what their feedback is. But regardless, exit velo is the end goal for what we're looking at here. Higher exit velo indicates faster barrel speed
Hi Ronald - When Blast measures bat speed, it's measuring the observed speed of the sweet spot of the bat at impact. The sweet spot of the bat is measured six inches from the tip of the bat. As for choking up, it essentially changes the length of the bat which affects the metrics. The app requires the bat size be entered.
@@baseballbatbros I did some experimenting, and I think rotational acceleration is detrimental to bat speed past a certain point, and indicates the hitter isn’t creating hip-shoulder separation properly. Choking up changes the bats moment of inertia, and I think that creates less resistance to letting the hands coming forward. This maximizes rotational acceleration as your handspeed is maximized early in the swing, but with nothing else to carry them, handspeed drops significantly at contact, which loses batspeed. To maximize batspeed, you need to conserve that initial handspeed that your legs and hips generate, and that’s done through proper sequencing.
Chocking up is not meant for bat speed, but more for bat control. I would assume you will sacrifice some bat speed when chocking up but you will get more barrel control. This being said I don’t recommend it to ant of the kids I help with hitting lessons. A lot of people say well Bonds chocked up he says he chocked up because he learned to hit with huge bats hanging around the clubhouse when his dad was playing.
yep this is a great point. And Bonds also can afford to choke up since he's so damn juiced up and strong lol. If you can already hit the ball 100+ feet out of the yard with ease, why not choke up to get a little more barrel control? But at the same time I think a lot of people have a misconception of what choking up actually does and what its purpose is.
@@baseballbatbros I was looking for this comment. Makes me wonder about that huge knob on the sambat was to help offset the weight and give him nothing but barrels. Seeing how Cam did well with a 34 choked up, I wonder how the 34, 31.8 sambat would do considering the massive barrel
Choking up can be a valuable tool for barrel control, but don't use it for exit velocity or power. Definitely useful for catching up to fasting pitching or when hitting with 2 strikes.
Often you'll hear "well the all time leader of home runs (Barry Bonds) always choked up on his bat"
Barry is a good example of somebody who is so dang strong, that he can afford to literally sacrifice power from his swing and focus more on barrel control by choking up.
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Do you have any suggestions for a middle school baseball team 31/28 (in case we can’t get a voodoo one)
I love your channel and I choose my bat for school on your recommendations. I have a question I go through a lot of gloves and heard a lot about Bruce Bolt gloves. How do you like them?
Ted Williams too
I have to disagree with this. Because you can literally let go of the bat right before you hit the ball and it will go just as far. So all that matters getting the barrel there accurately.
So aka using a 34 choked up a inch vs. a 33 on the chuck Knoblock ( if the bats are similar weight of course) you should be able gt to control the bat better and drop blakatahs. In theory. I chocked up until I was about 15 then I started yanking for light towers. I might been a ax handle guy if they had them back then
But Bregman.. I know this is a bad example of bat control but #13 on the yankees. Nukes.. and he chokes up.. and Anthony Rizzo if someone throwing gas.. idk bro. My logic is sound 🖖
Haven’t finished the video but the bat speed is the end of the bat. Just like a golf club, the longer the club the faster the club head is moving. Shortening the club lessens the club head speed. That’s why long drivers are so long. Choking up allows you to have more control and get the barrel to the ball faster but it won’t be velo wise because it’s just a shorter distance from hands to barrel.
nailed it
The thing with a long driver is that a golfer has to be tall enough to actually take advantage of the length of the driver or be able to get around a lack of height through standing further back from the ball. That usually involves coiling the muscles in the back more horizontally than vertically, which brings it's own set of consequences, to make sure the ball goes on the intended air path. I realize accuracy is not in the purview of the video above but it does need to be said, I think. Taller golfers just have physical advantages over shorter golfers. I've used max length drivers (48 inches) and found no advantage for me (I am 6 foot 270ish pounds, kinda jacked but not really fit) personally because I can't stand in the right place in the golfer's box (ha!) to take advantage of such a club while hitting it accurately. I have begun to choke down so my top hand is an inch from the end on my driver (which is the max length because most of them are sold at it and I've never gotten it fitted) so I have more of a straight line swing to the ball. The clubs I have the most problem with controlling velocity/ball speed/accuracy is my wedges. I usually hit them the right distance but pull them by around 5ish yards most of the time. It's very annoying and the biggest threat to my score when I play.
@@GutsBatman the point still stands that the farther you get from a point the faster it moves when you go in a circle. Only time it gets slower is if it gets significantly heavier. If they’re the same weight the shorter of the two will be swung “slower.” The reason wedges are short is because they aren’t for distance they’re for accuracy. Same with choking up on a bat.
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@@fredstewart54 Yeah that's the problem though you gotta be a big boy to swing the tray four. And doesn't a golf club bend and wobble??
Technically speaking, I think choking up on the bat has less to do with the actual speed of the barrel and more to do with the length of the swing itself. Aka diameter of the rotation. Maybe the speed of the barrel is physically slower when choking up, but the full rotation of the swing might actually be the same or quicker time wise. Purely because the total distance that the bat travels is smaller. Try using a 34” or 35” of The Goods and see if they register higher speeds to prove or disprove the theory.
Barrel speed at the point of contact really is all that matters though when it comes to exit velo and that’s all we’re trying to track here.
But choking up can totally help with factors outside of exit velo such as barrel control and catching up to fasting pitching like you’re saying here 🙌
The more you choke up you’re allowing the barrel to lose more and more weight. Imagine choking up half a foot , you’re losing so much weight the swinging speed at that point means nothing anymore but every inch does take accountability for losing velocity. Im a welding and it’s same thing with metal. The more metal you cut off of one big sheet, the less it weighs thus making it weaker with less potential of holding up.
I don't choke up at all when I used to play back in high school (2004 - 2006). Since I'm getting back into shape to play in a recreational adult baseball league this spring, I don't wanna leave any stone unturned for when it comes to improving my swing by trying to choke up on my bats or not. At my age (33) I definitely need to get back to hitting the weights again too.
Yo I'm doing the same to get back into baseball as an adult in the spring. What state are you in?
@@randallsmith9475 same here fellas, playing in the DC metro area (Arlington, VA)- good luck to you 🙏
Same baseball bros! I just started playing again. I’m 32. After a month or so you start to feel acclimated. However I’m still really out of shape. If I run hard for a double I’m gassed and it feels like it takes a whole inning to catch my breath again 😂
I have always wanted someone to actually test this and see if it actually makes a difference.
Choking up isn’t about bat speed. It’s about barrel control and time in the zone. Choking up shortens the effective length of the bat. This reduces the “swept area” of the swing. Meaning you get to the zone a little faster. The downside is you lose power because your bat speed goes down.
@@CoconutMigrating absolutely. There are just some misconceptions out there that choking up increases your 'power' - which is what prompted us to do this test. It can help you get barrel to the ball, but it's not gonna increase your bat speed
@@baseballbatbros You definitely lose power by choking up because you are using less of the actual bat. Like choking up on the 34 turns it into a 33
@@The8BitNerd imagine if Barry Bonds didnt choke up what he could have done!!
@@thefather3363 bonds didn't really choke up, he used a huge ass weighted knob to offset the log he was swinging which made it look like he was choking up and allowed him to shorten his swing massively compared to say Mark McGuire's swing at that time. but at the end of the day every batter has their own preference on how they hold their bat.
I was always amazed at the power Barry Bonds had because he choked up on the handle around 3 inches or so. Pete Rose used to choke up a lot and he only averaged a homerun every 80-100 plate appearances. In little league the coach would tell the players having trouble with contact to choke up on the bat for barrel control and it usually helped. The bigger guys using normal hand grip were the ones hitting the ball the farthest.
You guys have helped me make so much decisions with what bat I need and how I need my stance
I truly don’t think choking up was ever intended to increase bat speed, probably just for better bat control, which is why you “choke up” in 2 strike counts//big spots
Not what Barry bombs bonds thought :)
@@Ifugiveubegin2live he was so strong he could afford the miss out on power and bat speed
@@joshcline9539 all power is is bat speed. The weight of the bat matters only very slightly. Much less than like a 5mph wind. You could acutally let go of the bar right before contact and it would go just as far.. Its only for control. Big Mark McGuire famously had like 100+ mph bat speed..Bonds had the shortest to the ball stroke of all time. Even before be got old and muscles. But it annoys me because everyone gets old and slow and puts on weight.. Why did everyone got mad at bonds for it? Because he kept raking
Will i have so much to unpack here with you about this study. I'm gonna hit you up on IG, but 3 things i will say
1. I had already made a calculator that estimated your bat speed at roughly 75-77 mph for a wood bat (goods comes pretty close to this)
2. 2 piece hybrids get more endloaded per length because the metal barrel is the same size for all lengths, the only difference is the composite handle length, so choking up on a 34" the goods is almost exactly the same as a 33" with +1oz of difference behind the hands (1oz in the hands is nothing really). This study does not transfer to 1 piece bats because those bats use different designs for different lengths.
3. Some wood bat knobs like Bells are designed to be held higher up the handle, which is what affects the weighting more than the mass IN the knob.
As you know, I'm a huge bat science nerd so I have done a TON of research into this subject
We need you to redo this for slowpitch but with the different softball grip styles. Traditional, pyramid, pinky off, etc
I used to choke up on my Stinger Nuke for more control, which worked. But since I'm strong enough now I just hold it at the knob and I can can get more power and velos. Great video breakdown!
Great video idea! I’d love to see this done with a tapered knob vs standard. I always buy my son the Lizard Skin bat taper because he likes the feel; but I wonder if it affects bat speed!
yep I think a tapered knob is a huge advantage! ua-cam.com/video/GaL1dquFCA8/v-deo.html
You should test if holding on with both hands throughout the whole swing produces higher exit velocities.
Yes, please.
Nice to see Cam back we missed him
I wonder if these speed changes would still stand if you use one of those rubber/silicone spacers that give you kind of a knob when choking up? Can you run it again with those?
Just a thought on the physics aspect: If you choke up, your hands are getting further away from the sensor. This moves the most critical pivot point further away from the device that is calculating your bat speed. I think there should be a disclaimer on any device like this that is meant to measure the physics of your swing that if you move your hands away from the sensor, the measurements are guaranteed to be less accurate, or at the very least, incompatible to be measured against data registered from a different hand position. Just think about how this sensor is trying to interpret your swing. It's mounted on the end of the bat and is assuming a consistent point of rotation a certain distance from where it's mounted. Moving your hands further away will trick it into thinking you're swinging slower due to the larger circumference (path) around which it must travel with a pivot point that is further away.
This comment should be pinned. The bat speed velocity numbers are 100% incorrect (too low) for the bats that were choked up because of the placement of the sensor. It was closer to the body, inside the hands. A sensor would need to be at the end of the bat to be accurate when measuring choked up versus standard.
Just as a part of the “experiment” …it would have been interesting to hit with a 32” but no choking up. So you can, perhaps, compare choking up to holding at the end of the bat across them all. Choking on the 33” basically makes it a 32” bat. So if you compared choking up on a 33” and holding the 32” on the end… does that exit Velo or distance or bat speed match? Interesting to find out how much choking up effects your statistics - which may have real world/in game consequences or effects. (For 34-32” bats…the most commonly used sizes amongst adults.).
yeah we should have! pretty soon we'll do a 32 vs 33 vs 33 vs 33.5 vs 34 velo test
came to say this maybe 32 normal and maybe 32 not choked up but pinky over the knob to extend the bats length a little.....
it also would test if having more bat speed with an ounce less weight makes any difference
Maybe the voodoo (a more balanced bat) might be different with choking up🤷🏼♂️. Should try it I’m curious
I LOVE BASEBALL SCIENCE!!! we are told this but to back it up with data is awesome thanks guys
I've always been taught to only choke up on 2 strikes, or when bunting.
I think you should try that Aaron Judge 35" bat against another Chandler 33" bat and see what the results are. I wonder if the 35" will produce further hits and more batted ball speed despite a slower swing speed.
Ok I rarely if ever comment on things but I feel I have to jump in here. Experience 18 years as a baseball coach, hitting instructor, along with playing since I was 5 thru college, and now in an old-guy league. I have trained over 1000 kids to hit, and never ever, ever have had them choke up. You are breaking not only your mechanics, but your defeating the design of the bat. If you get into two strike counts and feel that choking up is the way out, well that reveals mechanical and timing issues that need to be addressed. Barrel control can be optimized by proper sizing of the bat, taper, weight, length, comfort. Most of the time your being beat by the pitcher, so choking up is just a cop-out for another problem. They used to choke kids up back in the day, even when I was young, because some coach from some MLB team told them that was what they do. Bat technology and customizing the bat to the kid is way better than the choke. Understand the swing, and work on what your hitting weakness is, before leaning on a crutch.
Love it
My son had a hitting instructor who followed the same logic. "Why would you change your swing with 2 strikes?"
Love those BruceBolts Will! They are worth the premium price because they are awesome and last, I recommend the longcuff models for that wrist stability guys!
It’s for more bat control, I had a coach that was a scout for the rangers and he said to choke up on 2 strikes. I think it’s more for hitters who are struggling
Just got the 2022 goods and it’s the best bat I have ever swung
When I was growing up I was always told choking up gave more control to where you can get the ball to. Like if I just wanted to go for the gap and hit that smart play instead of going for the fence on each swing choking up can help with that. But that’s just how I was taught to play.
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I hung a pinky and choked up with 2 strikes for bat control. Crowded the plate chocked up about an inch and got the foot down. K's went way down when I started doing that.
yep it's a great strategy for when you have 2 strikes!
I remember when I was a kid my coach kept telling me to choke up on the bat I never understood what he wanted it felt like choking up was his cure all for everything and I hated it because the knob would dig into me and I'd immediately go back down to the end. During practice he'd yell choke up and at games he'd yell choke up and it really pissed me off I didn't understand why or see any benefit. Then when I went to a different team that coach helped me choose a bat from a big variety he had and I started doing really good right away that was the first time i ever went to batting cages and stuff. This was many years ago when I was in little league. I was a really good pitcher one of the best in our area then I could hit pretty well too I was one of the better hitters on the team when I had a good coach.
Should test bat speed differences between usssa bats and bbcor bats to give kids an idea of what their up against in high school and beyond .
I fucking love Will’s hat
I am shocked choking up did that well at all. The value of having a knob allows you to really torque a bat. I believe if you add another knob or have a bat designed to be chocked up on then I believe you could achieve better results with choking up. You could get similar bat control and higher exit velos. Just watched your video on knobs and seeing how each knob performed differently leads me to believe a bat made to chock up on could be better. A puck knob is okay but better can be designed.
Like most people are saying in the comments, choking up is for more barrel control. I think choking up for young hitters is a great idea until they learn to grow into their body and understand there swing. I would say to only choke up with 2 strikes and/or when a hitter is struggling or miss hitting balls. Once they learned that skill of barrel control then they could use the full length of the bat to maximize power and speed
Will. i think there may be an issue with the methodology here. I am unfamiliar with how the blast cap gathers bat speed but it seems like its taking the speed of the knob moving through the zone right? Wouldn't you be more concerned about the barrel end of the bat moving through the zone? Perhaps im wrong here but I believe you may get inverse results when taking readings from the barrel end.
That’s a great question man not sure. But the exit velo seems to suggest that barrel speed was still highest on the 33” standard grip - which at the end of the day is the only metric we’re really looking at here
Hey Christopher - when Blast measures bat speed, it's measuring the observed speed of the sweet spot of the bat at impact. The sweet spot of the bat is measured six inches from the tip of the bat.
@@BlastMotion very well thought out. Interesting to see the results be counterintuitive!
They're definitely 🅿️
It’s good to choke up like three centimeters because if you use the knob you pull out sometimes instead of using the back hand
Can you do a video on the 2022 DeMarini goods one piece?
Think about it tough. Hitting a 90 mph fastball no choke vs. 95 mph fastball choked. I would think bat speed would be equalized. We may need an equation. lol. Great video.
Have The Goods (Hammer Time) 1/2 & 1/2 and absolutely Love it!! Any opinions on the between sizes? Love seeing the squad all takin hacks together again! JT loving the mullet Bro!!
I've swung the 32, 33, 33.5, and 34. They all absolutely bang!!
I have been wanting to get one for a fat minute but they are all out of stock
@@xavierterry1949 i got one, love it and if u can get one in stock get it.
@@AndrewBaum77 That’s the plan 😂
@@xavierterry1949 theres one on ebay for $650! LOL
Next video you should just have jt hit usssa bats on the hit tracks for like 10 minutes. It would be entertaining
I got a 92 exit velo off a tee with the 34/31 Omaha 20/20 you have to try it
bat speed test .. 32" vs 33" vs 34".. etc.... do lighter but shorter bats gain more bat speed?
How do u find the Bruce Bolt batting gloves? You guys should do a segment on best batting gloves :D
Solid vid boys
This is such a cool video idea
Thank you
Here’s the thing… you’re also having beach balls thrown to you. Try this against MLB speed pitches where the faster velocity swing from choking up helps your speed and giving you extra time to read the pitch.
Choking up has nothing do with bat speed but control of the barrel. It’s great to see the relation though between it.
Bruce Bolt gloves, how do you guys like them? I was thinking about trying them out.
Legitimately thought will was only hitting 75 exit velo for a second
Considering Barry Bonds homered with a choked up bat, it goes to show that he was a freak of nature. Then again other factors like bat mass and the hardest-throwing pitchers in all of baseball may have had something to do with it as well… I know someone will respond with other reasons that he excelled… a different topic for another channel.
I see u w those Bruce Bolt gloves😍
Maybe choking up eliminates some of the bat's whip effect (bending) that helps create bats speed.
I always used to choke up for more bat control rather then faster bat speed
I had a thought as I was watching this video regarding exit velo. I have heard pitchers talk about throwing home runs based on pitch velocity and location. Mariano Rivera referenced that specifically when talking about the home run he gave up to Sandy Alomar Jr. in the 1997 ALDS. How much does ball velocity effect exit velocity? I see the pitches thrown are around 50ish mph. What would the testing look like if you used a pitching machine to throw faster?
A ton! Faster incoming velocity will always result in faster outgoing velocity- as long as the bat speed and placement on the barrel remains the same. 🙌
You should try this with the voodoo cus it is a balanced bat unlike the Goods
I really want to see you compare a 33 inch gattaca vs a 34 inch gattaca with the knob adjusted to 33 inch length and see which is better
i just couldn't stand the feel of that adjustable knob. It almost wiggled. They finally got rid of it in 2021
Very interesting, I use a choked 33 goods and this makes me reconsider. Idk what do u think?
if you can comfortably swing a 33" bat, you should use the whole bat. But if you're struggling with the swing weight, it makes sense to choke up
@@baseballbatbros i would choke up on my bat only with 2 strikes to shorten my swing and make contact with the ball
Thanks for making my day with the vids ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
My understanding growing up in the midwest.. choking up helps bat control not power... therefore less bat speed.
2 strikes choke up and try to make contact. 2 - 0 , 3 - 1 count... hang a pinking off. and let it rip...
We need this with an Axe bat please and thank you.
Sacrificing exit velo for better bat speed
*better barrel control, but not bat speed
@@baseballbatbros ahhh Alr thanks for the clarification 👍🙏
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For years my dad always told me to choke up. I hit worse and it didn't feel as comfortable. Now I know for real that choking up only helps you if you need to catch up to fast pitching.
For me, it always felt unnatural, even if I did get a hit. I usually had good contact through all levels of baseball through HS, so I never really "had" to choke up, but when I heard the term, I just ignored it. I struck out more when I went after pitches I knew (later, that is) I had no business going after than ones I was fooled on or ones that were faster than I thought. But then again, I rarely went up against overpowering pitchers in HS. One thing I learned in bowling of all things (and I hated bowling): don't try to impress people with the weight of your bowling ball. If a lighter ball gets you strikes, use that. If you need a lighter or shorter bat to hit, use that. Your teammates will love a hitter more than a guy who shows off with a fancy bat. I hit with the ugliest bat that felt good.
Can y’all do a video on the cf 2022 bbcor
Love the video. And every video. Do the same test with a machine. To many variables. Then, in my opinion, not discrediting this video, then you can have a true comparison. You’re videos, that I have show to many a parent, have helped them decide on a bat for their kids.
thank you! We just have a waaay more difficult time getting our timing right on a machine vs real pitching. But we take tons of swings (hundreds per video) in order to make sure we're catching a good amount of barrels with each bat.
batbro will, do you or have you ever used a pro hitter? thinking about trying one but want some feedback before buying one.
I have the sensor and know that I enter the bat size and weight specs. Do you know if the sensor is at all thrown off when you choke up? Does it change the way it measures bat speed and is it still accurate? Seemingly, the point of choking up creates a more balanced bat. Also, the knob being against your hand changes the way the bat whips and allows for a quicker initial response. Not having the knob against your hand would cause a lag.
Great questions and I'm not sure. But the exit velo seemed to agree with the Blast sensor
@@baseballbatbros Ofc, we can’t argue with the exit velo testing, but I wonder if instead of choking up, it would be better to switch to a more balanced bat when in a 2 strike count.
Hi there - When Blast measures bat speed, it's measuring the observed speed of the sweet spot of the bat at impact. The sweet spot of the bat is measured six inches from the tip of the bat. As for choking up, it essentially changes the length of the bat which affects the metrics.
@@BlastMotion How does changing bat length via choking up, affect bat speed measurement? Seems like, as an example, if you were to use a 34" bat, choked up an inch, shouldn't the length be changed to 33" in Blast to get an accurate reading? I wonder how the metrics measurement would change. If it were radar based, I can see not having to change the length because it would be measuring the object's actual speed rather than figuring it out via a computation and the use of, what I am guessing, is an accelerometer. Possibly as importantly, I am guessing that the knob may play a major role in acceleration and whip.
I want the goods, but can’t find it anywhere, but I can get the select pwr for 280 instead of 400, what do you think would be the better choice
Are those the Bruce bolt gloves, how do you like them?
Thank you for the video!!! Good bat speed !!!
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Hey bat bros!! Thank you for making my day such a blessing with your videos! I just had a quick request: Could you do a video where you put the BBI13HD against the JTBB9? Thank you!
absolutely!
Seems to me choking up is more about having a shorter distance to swing the bat than it is about bat speed. Even though the bat is moving slower you get through the swing faster because the bat travels a shorter distance and less mass in front of your hands. kinda like the difference of driving a race car on the inside of a turn vs. the outside even at the same speed the car on the inside will move ahead because its traveling a shorter distance. This is my guess, but who knows I could be an idiot and just missed the whole point of the video.
Barrel speed at the point of contact really is all that matters though when it comes to exit velo and that’s all we’re trying to track here.
But choking up can totally help with factors outside of exit velo such as barrel control and catching up to fasting pitching like you’re saying here 🙌
Great video. Thanks for doing this.
love the vids keep it up guys
I think it is mostly mental, batter is behind in the count. Coach says hey kid “choke up”and kid gets a hit. That’s what choking up is about, getting a hit. I know a lot of kids are told coming up if they choke up, they have a better chance. To me it is mostly mental, if you think you have an advantage, you will have more confidence and focus.
This was really helpful
Check hand speed instead of barrel speed. You lose momentum choking up because barrel speed is the fastest the bat moves but doesn’t take into account acceleration and swing efficiency. I would expect you hands to move faster due to the “lighter bat”.
@@baseballbatbros Where I was coming form is hand speed could be a way to measure bat control.
@@johnkirbyhamilton8470 yeah I like it!! Not sure how to do that yet but I'll figure it out
Very interesting but expected. Choking down never was about swinging faster in my opinion. It was more about controlling the barrel which this experiment seems to prove right. His contact was better when he choked down. Maybe not the same exit velo or swing speed but the barrels were more consistent.
There are some big flaws in the testing. The measuring device would need to be on your hands for each round if you are measuring hand speed. If you are measuring BAT SPEED the sensor needs to be on the same place AS RELATIVE TO YOUR HANDS. When gripped all the way down on the bat the butt end is for all intents moving at the speed of your hands, but when you choke up the sensor is now and inch+ further away and will actually SLOW DOWN as your release your hands through impact. This does not measure the speed of the bat itself, just the butt end slowing down... Put a sensor on the end of the bat would be best.
its calculating the barrel speed not knob. So i really dont feel like this would make a difference.
Regardless, the exit velocity testing shows us that the barrel speed was better choked all the way down
Hi Cloran - When Blast measures bat speed, it's measuring the observed speed of the sweet spot of the bat at impact. The sweet spot of the bat is measured six inches from the tip of the bat.
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Did those shorts come from 1970's basketball?
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Choking up on this would throw off the calibration for this device because it's estimating the barrel velocity. A better way to do this would be to just use a radar gun to pick up the end of the bat, which would probably give you a higher velocity, I don't think your baseball is jumping off the bat 20 miles per hour faster, it's probably more like 10 you're probably swinging 85.
I choke up on a 31. Now I know Josh said to do so
What batting gloves are those yellow ones?
The whole point of choking up is to slow down your bat speed to give you more control over the bat and be more consistent with your hits
Yep that’s pretty much exactly what we found out
its slower but it has a shorter revolution. so I think you're swing start to finish is still much faster but it's actual mph is slower.
Im not sure if this has been addressed, but the sensor is calibrated to the length of the bat so choking up would affect that calibration. Im not sure how or if Blast can account for choking up. Anyone?
I'll reach out and see what their feedback is. But regardless, exit velo is the end goal for what we're looking at here. Higher exit velo indicates faster barrel speed
Hi Ronald - When Blast measures bat speed, it's measuring the observed speed of the sweet spot of the bat at impact. The sweet spot of the bat is measured six inches from the tip of the bat. As for choking up, it essentially changes the length of the bat which affects the metrics. The app requires the bat size be entered.
Now a quick short for kids to be able to measure themselves for proper bat length.
What is the a good one piece balanced Bbcor bat? I want the voodoo one but it is out of stock. Are there any other good ones?
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Rotational acceleration is significantly higher when you choke up.
forsure, which is more of a barrel control conversation - but we were just trying to look at barrel speed/exit velo here
@@baseballbatbros I did some experimenting, and I think rotational acceleration is detrimental to bat speed past a certain point, and indicates the hitter isn’t creating hip-shoulder separation properly.
Choking up changes the bats moment of inertia, and I think that creates less resistance to letting the hands coming forward. This maximizes rotational acceleration as your handspeed is maximized early in the swing, but with nothing else to carry them, handspeed drops significantly at contact, which loses batspeed. To maximize batspeed, you need to conserve that initial handspeed that your legs and hips generate, and that’s done through proper sequencing.
Did you ever do leavers in junior high ?
choking up is for more barrel control, not so much bat speed.
yep that's all it should be used for - if you're trying to hit more for contact or if you're trying to break down with 2 strikes
@@baseballbatbros 2 strike triples😈
Chocking up is not meant for bat speed, but more for bat control. I would assume you will sacrifice some bat speed when chocking up but you will get more barrel control. This being said I don’t recommend it to ant of the kids I help with hitting lessons. A lot of people say well Bonds chocked up he says he chocked up because he learned to hit with huge bats hanging around the clubhouse when his dad was playing.
yep this is a great point. And Bonds also can afford to choke up since he's so damn juiced up and strong lol. If you can already hit the ball 100+ feet out of the yard with ease, why not choke up to get a little more barrel control? But at the same time I think a lot of people have a misconception of what choking up actually does and what its purpose is.
@@baseballbatbros I was looking for this comment. Makes me wonder about that huge knob on the sambat was to help offset the weight and give him nothing but barrels. Seeing how Cam did well with a 34 choked up, I wonder how the 34, 31.8 sambat would do considering the massive barrel
what batting gloves are those will?
im gonna start choking up with my slowpitch softball bat because I am hitting it way too hard.. lol
I’ve only hit home runs when I was choked up
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