And once again, thank you to these AMAZING creators for being a part of this project ♥ Part three will be done soon! ^^ www.youtube.com/@AbigailPinehaven www.youtube.com/@AmeliaDreambell www.youtube.com/@C.C.Creations www.youtube.com/@eleanornightwalker www.youtube.com/@sandydarkfall www.youtube.com/@MaxKingmoon www.youtube.com/@MiaTheGamer www.youtube.com/@Minatozy
@@myshadowrealm4u Hey! Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video! The fact that the visual style of SSO is all over the place I think is a bigger issue than people give it credit for. There is no cohesion, no feeling that all of these parts 'merge' to create a world. As a result immersion gets hurt, and people become disconnected from the world. I wish they could keep a consistency for the horses. But it feels more like the teams are in competition with who can bring out the 'best' horse. And that's not really how it should be XD
Right? It just feels like a log on, collect tokens/whatever you have to collect for that particular event, log off cycle. No fun, no excitement, nothing.
The JS cap is one of the worst offenders to me. When I started to play I never bought anything so I was constantly at the limit. Then a set came out I really wanted and I was only able to afford one saddle... If the game allowed me to actually save more then 1k I would have been able to get the entire set, without having to grind the same quests and races soooo long. I agree with everything you and the *content creators* in the video said. There are so many serious issues with the game and I'm literally at a point in which I have *nothing* to do in the game. *Nothing* My horses are all level 15, I don't intend on buying a new one at any time soon and let's face it: Theres nothing else to do. I even have all the Stars collected and all fossils, soooo... Oh and little Spoiler! You get *nothing* for finding all the stars. No cutscene, no piece of tack or clothes, nor any achievement... It was so unsatisfying and I get why people don't care about finding those stupid stars
So true. The JS cap is so restrictive. When you’ve basically purchased the game via lifetime star rider : you shouldn’t have to be pressured into buying more star coins and be frustrated with the ONE currency that’s supposed to be free
SSO's biggest problem is that they found a scheme that works well for earning money and they pushed it to the extremes. they're pushing it so badly that the rest of the game is being neglected to the pouty of no salvation. now, every gaming company has /a thing/ that sells. for example sims sells dlc content that add onto the gameplay, gacha games sell characters, equipment, pets etc and for sso that /thing/ is horses. and there's nothing inherently wrong with that on the surface, there's ALWAYS gonna be people that buy every single item, or horse available because they can. they're the ones feeding money into the company and the ones that keep it afloat. however, if that's the only thing you as a developer put out as "content" without providing the actual gameplay where this stuff you bought can be used you're no longer developing a game. you're developing a money spending simulator where you can run on an open map. that's it. that's how you slowly kill your game and that's what pushes your "low spender" players away. hell even f2p ones. and you need those to keep the game alive, they're the backbone of the community and they're potential future customers as well, and sso is giving them less and less reasons to stay. edit: forgot to add this but if the product you sell is the very reason players are turned away from the game you're doing something wrong. they could've had a high quality and great game if only they realized this and focused on the featured they want to implement.
I remember being in 3rd grade when I first started playing SSO... Today I'm close to turning 20 and there are still so many things that are missing despite being teased. I'm growing up interested in developing games and Star Stable is a massive reason as to why I aspire to become a game developer. This game has such big potential, but lately a lot of it, especially the story, has been feeling very messy. I play a lot of MMORPGs today, but Star Stable is the one I WISH I was playing more, but not even new story missions grab my interest anymore unfortunately.
I started playing SSO in 6th grade! I’m now 22 years old. It’s been a decade, I’m right there with you. So sad to see how the game has changed. Between myself and my parents, we’ve sunk 1k into SSO. I sat and added up my purchases… over $1,000. Wish I could be saying “I’m proud that I invested in the future of this game”… and not, “I’m ashamed for throwing money into an endless in game purchase pit”.
What actually amuses me is that they removed the coldness feature due to "accessibility issues" when literally the whole locked portals and grind thing on Halloween was an accessibility issue
My biggest broken promise is I remember sso saying they planned on doing something to memorize Violet Flowergarden (If someone here is confused: Violet Flowergarden was a very popular sso youtuber who passed away suddenly in January), I haven't seen anything for Violet and that kinda rubs me the wrong way bc she did so much for the community, and i'm still wrapping my head around the fact shes gone.
Dude, jeez. She only passed in February. It’s probably taking a while to do something bc SSO probably wants to make sure they get it right the first time. Would you rather have them take time to do something for Violet that’s completed and looks/functions good the first time it’s released, or would you rather have them release an unfinished thing that no one will be happy about? See, this is this community’s problem, y’all bash them and complain when they take too long to release something (bc they’re making it look good and function properly before releasing it), so then they release an unfinished product (the gen 3 friesians) and y’all turn around and get mad at them for releasing something half completed. Well what did you expect? You complained they were taking too long, so they released it early, then you complained it was unfinished, well ofc it was. It wasn’t ready for release yet 😂 Everyone in this community is just like privileged children that get everything they want from their parents when they want it, so they act as if they are the employers and SSO has to bow down to them and do everything they say
@@montanamountaingarden476 the thing is, the time they promised they would have a memorial for violet flowergarden it had been a while ago. it doesnt need to be hard and doesnt need to take months to finish. the gen 3 fresians are a very different scenario that would need to take a few months to finish. a memorial for violet could be as small as a special place in the woods for her, or maybe something as big as an event (which would understandably take a while) so if they keep their promises, update us with *possible* (keyword) deadlines, and let us know of issues and actually cooperating with the fandom and audience then the audience wouldn’t be this upset with sso.
I think it would be cool to have her character and Lola in a beautiful spot, having a picnic, and maybe every time you walk up to her, she says some iconic lines. Maybe it would be cool to add a seat next to her so some of us could sit down and say our final goodbye. Or just give her a resting place. There's many ways you can go about it, but it's definitely needed at this point.
Star stable has become less about adventure and more about a pretty pony dress up game. I was an adult when I started playing these games (all the starshine legacy games & sso back in 2013) and I fell in love with the lore and the story (being a lover of rpg story games) now I hear that the quests have all changed and things have been removed and it’s completely destroyed the franchise for me. I loved all the theories that players had and the research they put together. Thank you for putting together another great video!
IMO, a big problem with SSE/SSO is how they remove things without adding stuff back in. Entire plotlines have been readjusted, shortened or removed in their entirety. Tasks have been removed. Reputation grind has been removed (such as the purple rift quest). The bigges no-no in any game is removing things without refilling that gap in one way or another. Someone who did this incredibly well was Toys for Bob when they remade Spyro the dragon, or Crash Bandicoot by Vicarious Visions. They took whatever content they had and breathed new life into the games, and while old graphics and style was removed, they kept the core assets and _added to them_ . The player wont feel like they have been ''robbed'', because whatever was taken away has been given back in some way or form; in most cases more are added than what was removed or altered in the first place. When SSE/SSO ''updates'' their areas, functionalities, characters and storyline, more often than not they change the old to a point it is no longer recognizeable or they remove it in its entirety. That is what upsets me the most with this game. It is in a very poor taste for any corporation/developers and rightfully leaves long-time loyal players with a bitter taste in their mouths. Add the broken promises, half-assed explanations and over-priced items that are basically NFTs catered to children and its no wonder why SSO recieves the backlash they get. They put themselves in this situation but lack the maturity and spine to adress their wrongs and properly fix them. Actions speak louder than words and so on.
oh my god the rifts took me so long i am both happy that new homies don't have to experience that painful slog but i'm also very upset that i had to go through that and it was needed to further the story
@@warriormaiden9829 it has been years since i finished it, so my memory of the specifics is very little, but it was a reputation quest where pink pandorian rifts would show up in no more than a few places a day, possibly based on the hour, where you'd have to run to them and do a small minigame in order to "close" that rift and gain a number of reputation points that *eventually* unlocked the next story quest. the reputation one needed to unlock the next quest was a *ton* and i'm pretty sure one could even fail the minigames and lost out on those points for the day, which only made the quest go on even longer, and since it was blocking a story quest (iirc), it just made the game very frustrating
@@mackenzieperessini8610 Shared feeling, although Im also very sad that the story section in itself is gone. They could have just decreased the rep you needed and problem would have been solved without removing the content entirely C: This was so far back in the days, they were still pushing some sort of story quest every week. I think they used the heavy reputation grind to buy themselves some time to properly write out the next section of the main story, but thats just a theory!
It's one thing for an influencer/content creator to throw things around, cancel it, and yo-yo about. I can understand that-- if a content creator plans a meet or contest and nixes it, it's mildly annoying but fairly 'eh'. But this is a company. SSO is a company, it's not even comparable. In my private projects, I do exactly like SSO does, but I'm not fandangling large amounts of money from people nor do I have a large team full of competent people available to me. Everything they're doing screams unprofessional and not serious. Whenever SSO makes an announcement for something new, I just go 'nah' at this point. I'll be excited when I see it in-game, not a moment before. Which is super sad, because the hype has always been my favourite thing, yet it doesn't matter anymore. The few genuinely good things are overshadowed by endless blunders I'm not sure they can ever outrun. Edit: Look, conclusion from my side has, and will always be, that this is a management issue and someone needs to dunk the leadership at SSO in some Stop It, Open Them Ears Juice.
this, the fact it was compared to a random teenager promising videos and not delivering grinders my gears lol. this is a company and we all know damn well why they aren't delivering their promises. it's because of their incompetence and because they focus so badly on only developing horses instead of the bigger picture.
The sad part is they do not seem to realize that the players are their customers. Without the players, they are out of buisness. Instead, they act as we all should be grateful for every little thing they do and not ask questions or complain. This mentality is what eventually is going to kill the game.
@@lizzymandile2022 and also I would not mind if that they had just made a new game instead because it is manly for kids now. And you know what that means right the second you try to chat to someone you don’t know if they are a kid as such they tell their parents someone is trying to talk to them on the game and then star stable says it’s only for kids and that’s not true, this game was meant for adults.
All this time, I've been watching / listening to these videos assuming Star Stable Online WAS free-to-play. Learning it actually uses a subscription / "pay once" type model reframes... pretty much everything. That is insane.
That is normal. It's an MMO, online games can't be free to play or else how will they stay online? Your stupidity is really pissing me off, I hate people who think online games need to be free to play. Clearly you never looked into game development
Not sure if you play now but I'll explain just in case. It technically is "free" but only up to an extent. If you don't pay at all, you can still play, but are restricted to a tiny portion of the map and quests go quiet very quickly. There's nothing else to do but leave, pay if you're interested, or just chill with your horse for a few minutes when you log on for the handful daily quests or whatnot. You certainly can't buy even a fraction of the clothes, as many of them are level restricted and you can only go up to like level 5-8 without paying (and that's if the game gives you a few days of free membership, and if you grind your butt off to get as much progress as you can). I felt awful when my last day of free membership ran out, stayed with my horse for a few weeks after that, then abandoned the game until years later. To be honest, as much as I hate the company and their tactics, I still hold a subscription to play.
all "free to play" games means free to a point then you pay, because you can technically play for free so they can use the wording, but not the whole game.
I could mention even more things they teased or promised that I'm sure of everyone here forget about: Lisa's secret mission when we and Alex were looking for the starbreed that contained the reborn Concorde's spirit. We were supposed to find out what Lisa has been up to between our mission to find Concorde and saving Concorde from Ydris. Or the removal of the Kallters from Dino valley. They created a new quest with them where they were leaving to head home to their homeland. They teased big stuff that was going to happen around that mystery and that roar end of 2018. It was for 2019 so that was very misleading. Or what about the unfinished questline with Herman? Yes we brought him home last year, but what is going to happen now? Are we still going to stop GED from destroying the Harvest Counties? Or find out why they allianed themselves with Darkcore? And why Darkcore needed Herman within the deal of buying Drakonium from GED? So many questions we might not get an answer to anytime soon. I'm very invested in the story even tho I barely play the game anymore. It was part of my childhood so I'm very diseapointent they never continued any of these storylines. Then there was also the promise of the other two parts of Mistfall. Originally Wildwoods was supposed to become North Mistfall split in two parts. But they skipped the whole idea of creating the mountains of Jor in to one area and created Wildwoods. Sure it's a beautiful area with a couple of mysterious, but there's not much interesting lore about it. I wanna know more about the story behind that ranger that went to the forest and become one with the nature or the primivail tree there. I also thought Darko was supposed to be looking for the fourth darkrider (Elise) at the time in 2015, but then in 2017 he showed up in Pandoria when were saving Anne to stop us. There was never any mention of the last general until now so I wonder if they messed up the main storyline between 2016 - 2020? It seems like they needed to dive back in to the story again because the old story writers of the original games already left. And reboot the story to make it logical again. Because we were trying to save Anne from Pandoria I feel like they totally forgot about our main purpose of the story which is finding all copies of the light ceremony book because Darkcore stole the book itself, prepare the ceremony, reuniting the soulriders and guardians, preventing the darkriders from completing the group and evantually perform the ceremony to stop Garnok. As an older player who still remembers the old storyline I feel like the game has totally erased the old stuff.
I think what really needs SSO is to flood the community with experienced gamers. You know, the type who knows their rights better and were ready to tear the throats of companies for situations like Star Wars: Battlefront 2. Boy, that would be fun. I would like to see this show. P.S. Sorry for my English.
Definitely agree with minatozy about them just making a million changes.. Its just ruining the game and the lore and the whole feeling in my opinion. Also rattle! Did you ever cover that talking horse area? And players feedback about it 😂
I like these types of videos, they are like the voice of the community, about what they do not remain silent and tell the truth and how they give their opinion towards SSO, and not only limiting themselves to what, what a beautiful game wow how incredible, sorry If I say something wrong but my English is not the best and I have to use a translator to express myself, I would like to see videos like this from the Latino community but it is literally dead xD
I just started playing SSO last week, and this game is so incredibly out of date for an MMO. The engine is clearly a generation or two behind, it lacks basic QOL things one would find in a game (quest tracker, quest progress not saving between sessions, UI scaling, map zoom, etc). I have seen incredibly offensive things being said in the chat, with one person outright saying "I won't say offensive things anymore" after being called out, so I believe there's no moderation as well. I'm not surprised the devs are tripping over themselves to promise new things but they all fall through immediately.
Problem is that a large amount of players in SSO don't really know any other game outside of one or two cheap mobile game so for them, SSO is everything. But when you come from other online games you easily see the problems. And seeing them going from saying their target is tweens and teens to now release more things for a way younger audience, we can understand that they try to move on a more easily impressionnable target, the one which will want to buy more stuff and will less easily think before wanting something.
I feel like people seem to forget that, even if we can have for example 15 000 Jorvik shilling at max, then the clothes price will come up to 15 000. If it goes up to 20 000 then that's what clothes and tack will cost.
With the festival coming I saw a shirt that was 150 sc. that’s 10 AUS dollars. What the fuck star stable. Ten bucks for a shirt. Also around 10 bucks for a crusty saddle
I have no interest in horses, nor horse games but I have watched ALL of your videos and anxiously await each new one! You are such an amazing speaker, who has alot of personality and maturity while presenting a fair take on controversy! Amazing job, keep up the good work! ❤
Star stable is a company that exploits children for money. People need to stop trying to humanize a multi-million dollar company. They don’t care about their players, they don’t even have any interest in horses from what I can tell. They care about moving product and making millions. I don’t blame the staff, it doesn’t seem like a great company to work for anyways. If you care about the future of horse games, please don’t give sso any more money. Support games that do good instead 😊 Even, rival stars has the steam version of their game that takes away the micro transactions element.
I've never played this game but if a subscription based MMO filled with microtransactions marketing towards minors won't let me pet the invasive-lionfish-dragon-sparkle-70USD-horse then what's even the point.
Don't forget that Star Stable also ignores the terrible situation between Ukrainian players who are FORCED to play on a Russian server and are expected to be subjected to TERRIBLE bullying. Why for the sake of god Ukrainians have to be on the same server with russians ??? Even after year of full scale war ??? This is terrible from every point of view and to me it shows how much Star Stable as a company just ignores their players when they MOST need the company to take action. They just let horrible things happen and don't even try to do anything. As far as I know, even after a year of people screaming about it, Star Stable simply ignored the situation all the time, allowing the Russian players to do whatever they want to the Ukrainians without being punished (how surprisingly). For many people, it's strange to even imagine what it's like to go through a war every day, or to being called an ethnic slur, but for Ukrainian players, it's everyday life, even when they try to play a game that should be a safe place :/
But not all Russian players bully Ukrainian ones. Maybe people should stop forcing adults problems on kids. Star stable should ban bad players and that’s it. Don’t create a war between players, especially when Russian kids can be nice to Ukrainian people. And imo Ukrainian players don’t even have time for playing, they have war going on.
When Birch and Sakura came out I could've sworn somewhere they said they'll be returning again so I didn't get them as I was saving SC and missed out on it bc they reworded/changed their minds idk what happened. They changed a lot/reword a lot of articles now and you won't notice until it's too late
Great video as always 👏🏻 My problem with SSO is that they have been digging their own grave. This is the result of making horses (and making money) a priority and not the in-game experience. Many of us who have been very critical wanted the updates to be more balanced (horses vs quests) and in my opinion, that have not been an unrealistic request. Instead, we have gotten a lot of nonsense excuses (i.e. lies) why they can not implement certain things. In general, most of us do not like to be lied to. This is what happens when a company do not listen to their customers and continues to live in their own reality. SSO has brought this on themselves.
I've always thought sso should become more fortnite like (no not the battle royale part, the economy) fortnite let's you return 1 item per year with a refund token and if something is changed it grants a free refund. you can also refund an item within 24 hours of the purchase if you don't use it, which is great if you impulsively bought something but end up regretting it.
Thank you Rattle, you've really helped me open my eyes and see what's really happening with Star Stable, every time you post I learn something! Ever since I watched your first Star Stable video I've become so invested in them, so, Thank you
Recently I've been getting pretty frustrated with the game and not even opening it for many months. I thought I was just growing out of it but this series is confirming that the other feelings I had were more than just getting too old for the game but actual issues and not imagined. The social aspect was always the biggest thing for me so it's probably why I haven't been playing anymore but it's a shame to have the "best" horse game I can get be.. This. Star Stable is the closest to what I want from a horse game and yet it is still so far off... I'm hoping Paralives will be able to make horses as fun if not more fun than in Sims 3 so my horse loving dreams can be fulfilled once more. EDIT: Oh my goddd the Halloween update is being mentioned, I was so depressed last year because the Halloween update was one of my favourite things and I was in a terrible mental state so I was looking forward to it. Until I learned it was going to be an insane grindfest and it was ruined as someone with ADHD. I didn't play for even a day once I realized.
5:54 So true. It's like they go out of their way to say what they WANT to add to the game before they even start working on HOW it could even be added. That's why I like the roadmaps because they can 90% guarantee it's gonna happen. While all this other crap is just wishful thinking. For example, I'd love for there to be magical horses that can fly, but then they not only have to create realistic wings (which they better have fucking done by the Rainbow festival update) but also have to program our players to be able to move about in a vertical plane, which is hard when using the camera doesn't dictate which direction you move.
These videos, are so well put together! Completely agree with everything which was mentioned within this video. I started playing around 2017 and I remember getting so hyped for the talk of getting our own custom stable! But, here we are 6 years later with no sign of them. I still have my little couch, in my closet in hopes that one day they add them. Once again, Love this series so much! Well done!
for the body and proportions update - yes, they have to put every clothpiece on all the new models, BUT some clothes share the same shapes, and need adjustment with the textures which is not a big deal. so its far less work than u said.
Hey! This is an interesting answer, and I'd love to hear more! Can you perhaps expand on the point? Explain how they would actually go about changing the size of the clothing?
@@YTRattle alright here comes some 3D knowledge and i'll try to keep it simple: body of a charakter = model (which you showed at 6:00), the shape of an object or clothing piece = mesh (you showed this "net" at 6:04, the grey ones are without a texture on it), the image-file thats put onto the blank objects to give it its colorful look = texture. For the meshcounting, lets take the already excisting pants for instance - Pants in SSO have only 13 meshes -> riding-pants, tight bell-bottoms, wide bell-bottoms, 3/4-pants, long cargo pants, short cargo pants, chaps, miniskirt, longskirt, hotpants, shorts, 2 sorts of knickerbocker. Kill me if i forgot one of the special-meshes :P *and only those 13 meshes need to be adjusted onto one model.* Lets take the miniskirts for the further doing: - In the 3D programm you put that skirt onto this new body - since our old charakter-models were very skinny, it would propably clip through the new hips, the butt and tights, which they need to fix by pulling the mesh's little anchorpoints in place. A skirt is a very simple clothing-piece and has not many anchorpoints (depending on the design), but we are talking about SSO-meshs which are even more simple and i would say this is a work of a few minutes for a professional. Since there are neither genders nor diffrent age-caps, there is chunk of work omitted too. - The next part is weightpaints - every charakter-model need its assigned weightpaints (the rainbowcolors on the body) and those are copy-pasted onto the clothing-meshes. This is required for instance, if our charakter lifts its right leg, the skirt must also move upwards on the right side. So, without these weightpaints the skirt would stay stiff and cause the leg to clip through the fabric when beeing moved. The effort here is - based on the simpleness of SSO clothes - not so high either and here is a funfact - once weightpaint is transfered properly on a mesh, it can "scale" with the body-shape (thicker and thinner to a degree with little-to-no-adjustments). Which means they dont have to fully do one skirt for every single bodyshape anew. - Now a routine piece of work, since SSO has many, many textures for the same meshes. A texture is nothing but a deformed looking image-file. The outcome is not so diffrent from a link of a website leading to another page (you can change the look of that page and the link would always lead to the same page under a diffrent look). The anchor-points of the mesh are literally placed ontop of that image ...or vice versa baked onto the mesh/wrapped around the mesh (many ways are possible, that depends on the creator) - Lets say we put a blue texture, the anchorpoints are set, the mesh apllies the blue color over its area, now save that whole thing - done. Red skirt next? Just replace the blue texture with the red's image, save. Next. Yellow skirt? Pick n chose the dedicated file, replace the red, save. Next. The textures all look the same by shape and only the inner content differs by colors or details, thats why the anchorpoints need no repositioning. ( I will skip the part of removing the model and the microadjustments in the settings.) Furthermore SSO has no transparency or UV-maps for a material-effect on the fabric of the clothes, so there is another big chunk of work avoided too. Now with all the files for every skirt in all the dedicated colors, they now can be inserted into the programming part / be woven into the game with the rules of how they are released, how they can be obtainedand, how they are stored, who can wear them etc. I hope that was helpful in a way. :)
@@midnight19488 while all that's true, didn't SSO say they are gonna do new meshs for all the old clothes due to the reason the old engine didn't allow them to create high polygone meshes? I feel like I read something like this in one of their development blogs.
I feel like a good way to satisfy both sides when it comes to the JS cap is to increase the cap by a small amount (say, to maybe a max of 15 or 20 k) while sso puts a cap on how much they are allowed to sell their items for (like they can't go over 10 k now, so keep the cap there). That way they avoid the problem of players over-saving and not spending, but the players still have at least SOMETHING to fall back on for another item or horse food. Because the way it's set up now is that I can only afford one decent item every few months, or a few that I don't exactly love. I'm not an avid player who will grind every race and daily task, and paying quests will only pay you until they're complete. I can't describe how discouraged I feel when an event blows by and there are a bunch of outfit items I want, but I can only afford one item in the set, two if I'm lucky. Even more discouraged when I see my savings over the weeks/months go from almost 10k to practically zero, and I'm forced to start over from scratch.
YAYYY Well done to you rattle, and all of the content creators involved!! You all are truly a great voice for the community, thank you so much for allowing us to be heard! Amazing video and I cannot wait for part three!! ♡
You are truly an amazing content creator yourself Kitti! Thank you for your last documentary! ❤ Hopefully Rattle will invite you also to talk about SSO 🤩😍 We have such talented content creators in our community!
I've noticed that the community has erupted into chaos. Especially Global Chat. There are constant arguments in that chat, about anything and everything. Especially when it comes to the success or failure of the game. These arguments will last for HOURS with multiple people involved, and usually end up with lots of feelings hurt. It's one of those things that I think can drive away players. The community has this toxicity that no one wants to be around, and can even be harmful to be around all the time. This is especially true for those who are very sensitive to the environment they put themselves in. This rings true for myself. Not only have I lost interest in what little the game has to offer, but I don't want to surround myself with the toxic environment that the game puts off. I'm in a club, but I only log on for events because I have no other reason to be on the game. As mentioned, the game has become a notorious cycle of Buy horses, train them, repeat. The occasional quest is thrown in there, but alas, there's still not much to do. The "White Knights" of SSO tell the people who criticize the game "Then play something else." Find me a better option that's just as good or better than SSO, then. I'll gladly leave. And that's the thing, there isn't a better option. SSO is a one of a kind. There are no other horse games like it. Or so far, none that can live up to the standard that SSO has put down. That's why some players continue to come back. We don't have a better option. The ones that tried to live up to SSO's standards have all flopped. Terribly. This is another aspect that contributes to the anger. The players that are tired of SSO have no where else to go. They have no other horse game that can fill the shoes of SSO. Some just push through the boredom and continue to play, while others get tired of it and leave. There will always be new players coming in. SSO will always have what they need to thrive as long as those players keep flooding in. And unfortunately, that means our voices will eventually be drowned out.
I’m always so excited to watch whenever I see you’ve uploaded a new video. I found out about you from stacys blogpost in the comments a while ago, I think it was about the new character models? You’ve become one of my favorite star stable/commentary adjacent UA-camrs, especially because as Tomatoo said, it truly seems like you are the main voice of reason in this fandom/community. Also your voice is super nice to listen to while doing something in the meantime! Your work definitely does not go unrecognized!
12:56 I wanted to make a fan write about Mistfall witches for soo long (The idea came from that in the past you could hear a scream in Mistfall) I started planning the characters and I also started writing the story, but due to the lore change of the main story, it is impossible.
Not to mention that the tornado with the shards during the Halloween event was super buggy! Though the bug was patched where you couldn't run back and do it again, the people that grinded it out got tons and tons of exp, leveling some people beyond what is pretty much possible just doing the game. I have been playing for the better part of a decade (have done pretty much everything reputation wise etc.) and I recently hit level 23, yet there are people around that are level 25 and higher, all because of that one singular glitch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I never saw players that high of level until that bug. It's super frustrating how broken the leveling system is to begin with, but it's unfair to people that do champs when these players are higher level because of a bug they took advantage of!
It’s kinda dum they don’t consider that raising the shilling cap could increase player play time. Also if people earn enough shillings to by most of a set they would be more likely to buy the last few items using star coins, because people want to complete their collection. Plus people will by star coins anyway since horses can only be bought with star coins.
the jorvik shillings bit almost got me physically mad tbh, i mean really? "fragile economy"???? plEASEEEE (i watched the whole video i just needed to vent a little bit lmao) honestly the cap is annoying to me but in a bit of a different way because i don't buy much, so i'll do the races every once in a while when i feel like booting up sso and eventually start getting that annoying notification yelling at me that my bank is full and that i need to get rid of some shillings. honestly i don't know of any other games that do this, and if they do there's a mechanic like "pockets" and an actual "bank," and the cap is reasonable (not typically the same as most things available to buy, as sso's gear is turning into) also, i feel like i'm a bit in the middle ground you mentioned at the video's end. i'm a very passive player. i get on, run around a bit, maybe participate in the event a little, and hop off. i don't talk in the chat nor do i interact with those in the community all that much (this channel and Siren are really all i interact with in earnest), so it's strange. i didn't know about the sand lines or the movie community stuff until i got a bit more involved, or even about some of the bugs that plague others. i feel like it has given me a less favorable view on star stable since, as you said, much of what's talked about in the community is either praise and attention leaning towards advertisements for sso, or the denouncement of the entire company; and, as an older player, i gravitate toward the more critical side.
This video is great. I loved hearing everyone’s opinions. I’m sick of this game. It’s like the game is trying to get SSO to fulfill their promises, not the actual game lol.
as someone who's been trying to get SSO to see the community for YEARs now - i'm also to the point of lost hope. SSO doesn't realize how many players only play the game still because we've created activities for ourselves to do through communities within in a game that has little-to-none actual content to play once you get to the end game. the dressage community, the RRP community, the racing community are huge to maintaining the player base, and SSO refuses to acknowledge us or give us the updates we need to really thrive and continue to enjoy the game. its been clear to me for a while now that SSO CEO's truly do not care about us, and as long as they are making money off of us they likely won't ever care about what we really want to see in the game. the dressage community for example: there are hundreds of clubs and teams that specifically revolve around dressage and host up to several hours of practices a day across all regions and servers. A DAY. how many casual SSO players do you know that log on for several hours a day 5 days a week? personally, none. dressage people have created entire methods and systems to work around SSO's screen delay and weird bugs, so we can continue to practice them within the game that continues to make it harder and harder for us. the whole updated arena fiasco is the perfect example: the artist that worked on the new arena was sent all the diagrams and information needed to give the dressage community ONE simple thing: our grid pattern on the floor so we can measure out and perform accurate circles/moves. they ended up releasing the arena unannounced a week early, and the arena floor was naked as a mole rat. we yelled and fought and fought SSO, made posts with thousands of likes and tags for SSO to please change it - and after weeks of that they finally added a blotched pattern onto the ground that didn't represent AT ALL our grid method or the diagram we know was sent to the artist via clara lightland (it's funny because the blotches were quite literally the opposite of what we asked... it's like they took the grid and just lazily put blobs of lighter sand in the empty squares we never use?). so back to yelling and crying on social media, and me sending clara a very concerned message about why the information i sent her that she confirmed was passed along to the artist seemingly all got ignored. again, after even longer weeks they finally added an overlay option that is a 1/1 replica of our grid we use! and i'm SO glad they listened in the end, but the issue here is: why would they change something they know is so significant to a large part of their community WITHOUT doing proper research and WITHOUT putting proper care and attention into it? they could have saved themselves a whole lot of outrage from us, because they proved to us in the end they are capable of giving us what we want. but we had to practically go to war for it... and that is not how it should be. im thankful that we did indeed get the grid in the end, as it saved our community entirely. however i will never forget what we all had to go through to get to that point.
Starstable isn't a free to play game tbh,it's free til a certain level then sub based. Also it pisses me off that if you wanna sell a horse,you don't get your star coins back.... Talking to support is useless,because they always make me feel like a child and I'm tired of it.
One of the things that made me more or less stop playing sso is dino valley. It might sound weird, but that is something that I've been disappointed by for several years. Dino valley is the only place that hasn't gotten an update yet. The winter Village has gotten three updates during that time. Dino valley is riddled with old terrain, old textures and terrain with random triangular holes that your house gets stuck in. At the same time SSO boasts in ads that you can ride through all of the four seasons. But can I really? Dino valley looks amazingly off compared to every other place that it could be from another game. The playability is horrible because of the terrain. But I can see the amazing potential, cool dinosaur skeletons, a witch, a bewitched winter, the new snow that came last year and the kalter! There were so many cool things going on there, but some have been removed and others ignored. I've been waiting and hoping for an updated dino valley since at least 2018, probably long before that. When this winter came and went, I gave up. To me the wait and anticipation that this year was going to be the year all of Jorvik got the updated treatment followed by disappointment wasn't worth it anymore. That and the money grabbing business model made me lose most of my interest. I still play sometimes, I want to love this game, but BY AIDEEN'S BELOVED GRANDMOTHER IS IT DIFFICULT TO.
I really understand both the negative and positive sides about sso. But there are so many issues going on, and I feel like it all leads up to one problem; The ceo and the developers. I feel like if they were actually as passionate about the game like the community is, then all of these issues would eventually be taken care of and probably sooner than we'd expect. I feel like there are many things that we can say to try to save the game, but it all comes down to whether they're willing to listen and not only looking for their own benefit... I kinda hope that there will be a starcoin strike because, unfortunately, it feels like they are only willing to really listen when things are starting to go down... but that's only my opinion.
maybe they should get a new game engine or hire enginerer back from pixel tales who originally made the old star stable franchises so they can fix the engine framework to get a smooth gameplay in sso because they know this engine and have been used for barbie horse adventure riding camp,starshine legacy and star stable season rider.i hope you listening this important note @Rattle sorry for my english
I think my biggest disappointment moment was with the character updates. They promised them 2022 and 2021 not it’s 2023 and barely much. I know the team works hard but maybe they should stop having small side projects and focus on the big things first.
I’m one of those people who is in the middle. There are things I like about the game and there are things I do not. I don’t care if people disagree with me because they are allowed to have their own opinions. I think part of the divided community problem is that people are unable to except that others can have different opinions. Not everyone thinks or deals the same and that’s ok. I play SSO. I use it as a coping mechanism for my mental health. There are definitely aspects of the game for me that range from mild annoyance to boiling my blood, but over all I still like the game. I bought it for a reason. However, I do feel myself pulling away lately and losing interest do the the lack of good gameplay, almost all role plays being sexual, inappropriate chat conversations that people are having, broken promises from sso, and changes that were made that were not needed and definitely not well received (like the new sc js appearances). I tend to play other games now like red dead, modded minecraft, Roblox, and more. I still log on and play sso though, just not as much as I used to. It saddens me because I want the game to improve and see it truly become the best horse game, but there isn’t really anything I can do about it other than not spend money and speak up when it’s important. 🤷🏽♀️
Wait wait wait, SSO really said “Some people found a workaround that costs starcoins” about that stay over Bug. They make it sound like this isn’t an option THEY provide to work around these dayblockers. And that these people cheated or something. This choice of words really got me angry lol
In the segment where Abigail Pinehaven speaks about not being able to fulfill promises, I think comparing a million dollars company to a younger youtuber is a bit unfair. If Abigail promises to make a video on Rival Stars but can't do it due to personal reasons that's absolutely valid and she shouldn't worry abt it, but SSO is a huge company with many employees and marketing teams. They make the conscious choice not to inform the player base about why said updates/promises can't be done, and instead choose to push out rushed, buggy horses. They made the choice of quantity over quality for the game, and that's not going to be a sustainable business practice in the long run...
I kinda doubt sso will last another 5 years. ever since, i think, 2018 more and more players started to get against sso. "crying" "screaming" for them to listen to us. but they refuse to more and more. I mostly only hear from new players how "amazing" this game is since, which is totally fine, they dont know how it used to be. I remember when I started playing that sso had an amzing community. We got what we ask for so often and now it just feels like they've turned their back against us. More and more players are quitting, players start to hack an unlimmeted amount of sc,..... bcs they refuse to buy from sso. I feel like as soon as more time passes, there will be so many players who just give up with sso and will quit. Whenever i log on, i mostly only see new players, all of my friends stopped. Not becauase they hate the game, me aswell i still love sso with my whole heart, but not what sso is doing during this time. SSO lost its original community, the community that kind of made sso get this big, and this is just sad. As time passes, more and more players will leave. I have a feeling sso will only last with new players that have fun with this game for around 3 months until they have nothing to do and will get bored- unless they shove money into sso's ***, but i doubt that they will have a long lasting community in a few years. Im getting a feeling that the community will change a lot in the next years. And it makes me sad. I kinda wanna see sso fail (yes it sounds rude, but only this way they may leran) but i also dont wanna see it fail, because sso still has a special place in my heart.
SSO suffers from delusions of grandeur. They promise way too much, breaking almost every one eventually. They need to update the engine if they want to have any semblance of a future for this game.
what Siren said about how negative the game became just kind of hit me. it's not the same situation (different context and different conclusion) but earlier today i had a mental health crisis, and when i logged onto the game for escapism, some players called me the t slur and stuff like that. What got to me wasn't the name-calling itself, it's a game marketed to children, what can you expect, but the fact that the day prior, i tried asking for information about a club i was contemplating joining, and almost all of my messages were not let through the filter. If anything, this ties in with the part about feeling unheard, if only a little bit. Like, sso has always been a comfort game for me, and with their pride events and queer characters i really felt welcomed, but then the literal t slur can be said in game no issue while every and all spellings of social media for example get filtered out. That's crazy! I wanted to make friends, and let's be honest, the sso chat will not be the place to have deep conversation, but exchanging info is literally impossible. Which i would agree is good in terms of security, protecting children and all that, but filter out slurs at least! that's protecting players too..! idk i'm going in circles, but yeah. not cool.
The thing with the character model being more diverse and 'neutral' is really nice but honestly? I would've been okay with just letting me put my pronouns on my little character profile so I don't get misgendered. Playing as a girl for the sake of the story is not the problem, this wasn't a huge priority for me, yeah it's nice that we're getting it? I think? But I would've been happy with a way to properly identify myself. Don't agree with you on the Lippizaners tho. Have you seen them? Because I've seen a couple that were pretty rotund bois and I LOVE them. I want to expand on me cutting the Lipi some slack. This game is heavily stylized, not a photorealistic simulator. As long as they're not the friesian, I'm pretty easy to please. I've gotten attached to and had fun with games that had worse horse models and animations so when I see kids younger than me whine about 'THE HORSE'S EYES ARE ARE TOO FAR APART' and you look at the actual breed and it's like, maybe a small change, the type only actual horse 'experts' would see, then yeah I'm gonna be annoyed and consider them a little bit spoiled because there's a difference between getting your money's worth and straight up asking for too much.
The modeling on them isn't too bad. Could use a bit better shading/texture on there, but eh. Would I like them to slime them just a touch? Yeah, but not by much. Lippi's are Baroque thick. (I have to identify SSO PRE/PSL by their animations and topline, not as a whole.) The biggest thing I have an issue with on them is the gaits. They really need to fix that shoulder and neck movement before they release.
@@warriormaiden9829 Yeah I agree, but I heard they 'updated' the textures on the Morgans and I legit do not see a difference. Are the coats a little shinier? That's it? People COMPLAINED about that?? Really don't understand being that fed up over a digital horse's coat 😂
i did notice a week ago the bunny hopping and my goodness im so glad they did add it, i remember the old moorland race and theres to jump close together that i can now jump. has always bugged me when i was a kid lool\
I commented on their reddit to have a break from buying, and it got deleted and before that someone replied "how are they gonna pay the workers" oh well, they dont even pay them enough, guys lets start to make a change with something that will make them break!
Both of these videos are so spot on and perfectly encapsulate how I've been feeling about the game for many years now. I'm so happy to see the continued growth of your channel and I'm eagerly looking forward to part 3! ♥
I personally like that they went with a chunky version of lipizaners because at this point all the new horses look so similar that a unique one is welcome in my mind
Tbh they're not even 'chunky' for that breed. There is a more sporty version of the breed, yes, but if you look at the ones used in shows.. Most of them are quite muscular and thick looking. And tbh I never noticed until I compared SSO's lippizaner to an image of one. I will say.. There is something about SSO's that just doesn't quite hit the spot, but it is much closer to the accuracy of the breed than what people are giving it credit for. At least IMO.
The currency system is probably my biggest gripe about the game. I don’t like the JS cap. I hate how expensive items cost with JS. BUT! I wouldn’t mind it so much IF SSO was a free to play game. But it isn’t! I’ve already paid a premium price for this game.
Actually the last point has nothing to do with sso or content creator or the fanbase... it's a actual problematic of many societies. People now days tend to be more aggressive and mad....
Maybe it’s just me but I miss most Halloween events in Jorvik, like the Halloween ride. I know it has this Halloween trail ride but well, I almost always seem to go the wrong way? It’s still awesome but I feel all of Halloween is basically only inside of the Halloween world now. I remember I used to get really excited during Halloween when you had multiple places across Jorvik where you could uhm.. bite apples? And you’d get a prize. Anyways, that’s mostly the thing I miss from back then, also the old music and sound is what I miss
Honestly one of my fav's horse games is n roblox. Yes whi. They just don't rush their updates, neither they make promises that they never give, and it just makes me very very excited everytime I see a new update, even the smaller ones. Yes starstable is trying to fix it, but well um..... I feel like most of the times they don't do it in the right way.
One thing I always think about when people say SSO seems like a free to play game, is that it kind of is. If you look at other MMOs, there's usually a monthly subscription. SSO gives you a one-time fee that you can pay and that's it. They wouldn't make a lot of profit as an MMO that way. That doesn't excuse their ridiculous prices, but at least it explains why the structure of a premium currency exists at all.
Idk maybe I’m weird or selfish but I hate when sso post new pets or gear and they say “ Oh look at the new pets! They are so cute but they are only for a week or two, hurry up and get one for yourself! “ And I was so stupid that I fell for that and buy these pets for maybe 600sc or something, and a year later they are giving people free codes with the same pets I bought last year. Or when they give to the new players presents like dogs or stuff, and the avatar customization. I know I know, It’s cool when they give players free things,more features and that's what I think attracts people to play the game, but hello? I’ve paid for things in game and a year later you’re giving it free? I know that collecting sc for a year it will refunde me a hundred times for the in game purchases but I still paid for something that is now free. And now I’m still hesitating to buy something bc Idk if it will be free a year after. (Sorry for the typos guys
6:48 you shouldn't compare yourself to a company, youtubers are usually a one-man show, Star stable is a pretty big company with dozens if not hundreds of people working underneath them. Also people pay huge amount of money for a game that is really not worth it in hopes that star stable will continue to make the game better, but it never happens. UA-camrs not fulfilling their promises is to be expected, when a company like SSO does it over and over again it becomes problematic.
I completely agree! What I was trying to empathise with is more that a team can be geared up and ready to make an update or event, and then be told by their game director (Upper management) that they have to focus on horses instead. In my opinion the entire company is not to be blamed but rather we can understand how things can be sidelined when shareholders, ceo's and big bosses want to focus on monetary gain instead. However I completely agree that there is a limit to the number of times this can happen before players lose trust and even interest in empty promises. Good comment!
you and the content creators are just right the theam and the game changed too much in the wrong way the game just gets boring and boring, meanless races (like HOJ) etc. for the ending: don't worry, i can' talk normally nowadays 😂 ❤
I hope they never increase the JS cap. It takes days to get to the 10 000 JS to buy stuff. If they increase the JS cap, the prices for new stuff will get even higher, and people will feel even more forced to buy SC.....
35:26 calling an in-game mechanic they financially profit off of a "workaround" is absolutely insolent in my opinion. It downplays the severity of the issue, a bug that's causing people to lose real money that they themselves or someone else worked for. It's simply disrespectful. The tone of the rest of the message really doesn't help... - Edit: I say this as someone working in customer service. It can be difficult to pick up the pieces after backlash and often the people writing the statements can't do anything but convey what management has decided. But if you have to deliver a message that you know won't go down well with your customer, you have to choose your words wisely and you absolutely have to take responsibility and at the very least apologise if the error is on your end. Whether it can be fixed in the customer's interest or not, the very least you can and need to do is meet them at eye level and ensure that you're being respectful of their opinion, their time and, in this case, their resources.
A while ago i completed a quest in golden and it automatically made me stay the night, taking however much it costs. I didn't take part in this choice at all, i finished a quest that i was supposed to have to do the next day, a black screen appeared, i was suddenly able to do the quest and i was missing some of my starcoins
hi there! i'm not necessarily a big person in the sso community (merely just a player lol), but i've been doing a lot of deep thinking and drawn quite a few conclusions/understandings that i'd love to share/input with you (: love the content, btw!
I personally have tried to stay in some sort of grey zone when it comes to what I think about sso. I want to see the game doing good, but also give criticism on what I personally think they should change or think about. I'm not gonna lie, Unfortunately, it has been really hard to give them positive feedback, especially after the bug with the sleep to continue quest ability. Also, the "final product" the Lippizaner horse which brings back some ptsd memories to the Friesian fiasco. I have been on both sides in this community and neither of them is good. One side that wants to see all positive, which in a way is a dream world and I wish it was all good, but can turn to an extreme toxic positivity. And the other side who brings out very good points on how the game used to more fun before and have valid criticism, but here you can fall in to the doom scrolling and nothing is good and everything they do is bad and not enjoy the slightest thing they put out. What has been very frustrating for me as a player is sso's recent responses and actions. They literally deleted comments on their Instagram that had no type of hate or cursing in it. It was constructive criticism. With that it feeds the "sso only wants to hear positive feedback". Their first response to their players when a bug appears in the game that the players didn't know about was to blame the players. It gets frustrating when a game you care about and wants the best for is being handled in this way and their responses to their community is like this. I personally think sso should at this point do something like what the developers behind No man's sky did (if you don't know that story I recommend watching Internet historian on that one). Looking forward to see part 3. Your videos are always interesting to listen to 🙂
I think it's extremely important to give credit where credit is due. For every good thing SSO actually DOES do, we should give positive feedback. I think it's discouraging to devs to work hard on trying to (finally) give what players are asking for, only to be complained to. Because of that, I think if players don't show any gratitude, SSO devs will have less reason (and inspiration) to give what we ask for. I'm not saying SSO has been doing a great job, or that I support everything they do, btw. They're a mess of a company. Bad analogy, but it's like training a dog. If you don't tell them what they're doing RIGHT, they are unlikely to understand and repeat the behavior.
Another great video Rattle, thank you! This was really interesting for me as a fairly new player. I haven't been in the SSO community long enough to have expereinced many of these disappointments, but I can see how those constant broken promises have ended up eating away the players' trust in the game. I personally am very much enjoying my time with the game, but I've experienced the disappointment too. I wasn't too happy with the Morgans (the head shape is weird), I am worried about what the Lipzzaners will end up looking like in game - both aare breeds that I like a lot and was excited about. The recent update to the riding mechanics is a double-edged sword, I love the jumping but hate the "drifting" (as someone who does SSO dressage). All in all I think that SSO could do a lot better, especially in listening to player feedback, but they could also do a lot worse. A lot of the outcry over this update or that new horse model is pretty overblown. In the end, all of us can decide on our own if we are willing to invest our time and money in this game. If people are fed up - take a break! This will a) be better for your mental health than being enraged and disappointed all the time, and b) will act as a strike - they don't get playtime and more importantly, money, off of you when you're on a break. The SSO community is a very passionate one, so much I've learned in the short time since I've become a part of it, but that passion needs to kept in check. We absolutely should stay critical about where the game is going and voice our opinions, but we also need to remind ourselves that there are reasons we love this game, that there are positive changes too, and that there's other things in life too.
What I’ve enjoyed most about finding channels like yours is that I learned to take a step back to observe and actually look at the game. Something that was hard to do since I had played the game essentially since it’s first year and I was desensitised to SSO and the issues it sadly does have. I enjoy the game, that hasn’t changed. But I have learned to recognise when something hasn’t been implemented well. Can’t wait for part 3, always love your longer videos ❤️
About the Halloween and portals... That was the one time when broken and bugged game for FOR them instead of AGAINST them... Because the quest for collecting crystals was broken and you could basically collect and collect again and again, as long as you were able to find invisible person offering the quest. So I opened the portals pretty quickly. But if I would have to open them the way it was intended to? No way I would do that. Because as much as playing for hours and hours every day may seem fun and realistically possible to them, I have a job, I have university to attend and the way portals should work, that was not possible in time-frame realistic for vast majority of players...
Honestly, imo, this game is fucked. And it gen started with the company. SSO used to be a great game, especially when Matilda and Yula (I think that's her name) were still around, things were more in order, and events were more fun. I even met Matilda, Stacy, and the girl who designed the horses at a local equestrian center when I was younger. They were so sweet, I have no clue what happened to the girl who made the horses, but if she is still doing them, I'm highly disappointed, especially with the Friesian and upcoming Lipizzaner. I have no clue what horse she was making at the time, but it was beautiful (again, at that time.) This game has disappointed me, and will continue to. The events are not as fun as they used to be. Speaking of events, why don't we talk about the Halloween, Christmas, and other events? They SCREWED. IT. UP. The Halloween event has been NOTHING but the same. thing. each. year. You log on, you get greeted by the stupid ghost, you go through hell, and for what? Soul shards which beyond a shadow of a doubt, are the same each. fucking. year. And what do you do with these shards? You throw them in a cauldron for a gourd pet that takes you countless hours to get along with old clothing and powders, of course! The Christmas event was even more fucked. The Winter Village was perfect the way it was, it was bright, colorful, and cheery! And what is it now? BORING. They changed everything to softer colors, and that doesn't give a Christmasy vibe. The entire thing was just disappointing. I barely played throughout the Christmas event, I logged on once. ONCE to buy 10k, and never logged on past that. I log on very scarcely. Honestly, it may be weird, but my dad used to play SSO with me. He hasn't played in ages due to being busy, and how boring the game is. He has done almost all the quests (lv. 22 I think.) while I have not (lv 21.) He logged on a day ago, and had about 1k star coins. This goes to show just how you can get bored of the game and it's shocking. What happened to Easter? Gone. No more Easter. April fools? No. You can't have April fools either. What about...St. Patrick's? Nope. No more rainbow chasing. It's disappointing that they got rid of SO MANY brilliant events, and replaced them with events with no purpose. The open house, now it's the equestrian festival? What? I remember when it was strictly an open house with a dressage arena, horses for sale (the Lippizans and the Lusitanos). That's it, and it was awesome, it was simple, it had a couple good races, and was generous with EXP for your horse, and things to buy. Now we have an Equestrian Festival with Spring Tokens, and 5,800 star coins worth of items. It's unbelievable. Valentine's day also said goodbye, and that and many other events were festive, and fun. The friendship race, the Valentine's race, you could buy the cheap valentine's clothing, that was an event to remember. And now it's gone (I think). That's my cup of tea on the events. Not everything might be correct, but this is my point of view. On the topic of horses in the game, am I the only one who remembers when there was nothing but horses, horses, horses? There were no quests, just HORSES. Now they're getting rid of old horses, to make room for NEW HORSES? Hello? This game isn't even Star Stable, it's just Horse Stable. They went from beautiful horses that had good models and realistic-ish gates, to more expensive, half the time magic, and "pretty" horses. The horses from years ago, the generation 1 and generation 2 horses were the horse's that were used the most. Then we slowly got some pretty, genuinely good looking generation 3 horses, the Connemara, for example, was an impressive pony, it was cute, it had cute gates, and was allegedly cheap, and still is, I believe. The Pintabians and Arabians, the generation 2 Arabians/Pintabians, to be exact, were highly realistic, and honestly represented the breed in an okay way. I'm not saying they were perfect, but they were okay. Then they started updating those generation 2 horses, and making them look...a little more flimsy. Some of them, in fact, were okay. After they remade and created so many new generation 3 horses, (I'm up to present day SSO) and they began deleting old old OLD generation 1 and 2 horses. Take the Generation 1 Ahkal Tekes, which I believe they deleted, and the American Painthorses (Generation one), and they deleted them. I rushed to buy old horses that they were deleting because I didn't want to lose them, I LOVE generation ones, even though they're a little crusty LMFAO. They went from good generation 3s to now shitty ones, I.E the upcoming Lippizans. That's all I'll say there, but In my opinion, there are horse games that have much better horses, much more realistic, much more beautiful horses that you want to get, for example RDR2, Alicia Online, Tales of Rein Ravine, hell, even ROBLOX games like Banlo's World and Maple Springs Eventing. Speaking of horses, am I the only one who noticed the Finnhorses had some copy and pasted gates from the Friesian when they came out? Currency, Star coins, Payments, Jorvik Shillings, GAHHH. I can't get enough. I hate this topic with my last fucking nerve. But I'm going to talk about it because it's an issue. Am I the only one who noticed the uprise in Star Coins? I guess inflation hit hard for Sweden, because I had to pay 100.00 USD for 10k at Christmas time. Jesus. The 10k shillings cap is a problem too, because you can't buy jackshit for 10k shillings unless you buy something cheap. If you want to buy a set, they basically promote you use Star Coins, and purposefully make the prices for cool and new items for your character or horse within 9000-10000 shillings per item. Half the time, the cheapest thing in a set is the leg wraps and bows. That's also not it, you spend over hundreds of dollars on this game for in game currency that they want you to use to buy clothes, hair, and horses. That's why there's barely double SC, I think. They really are money hungry, if you think about it. Yes, the game relies on money. Yes, inflation exists, but honestly, I remember watching your video that talked about Customer Service, and how they dealt with requested refunds, and bugs. As soon as they realize they can lose a potential customer, or as I like to call them, Money Spender, they immediately get to work on it. Because they realize "if we lose Billy, we lose his money! Oh no!" They're honestly really fucking greedy, in my opinion. Anyways that's my ted talk, I didn't hit every point since I didn't want to drag on about it, however, this game has broken off so much from events and horses, and fucked up paying for currency (that may I add, is absolutely useless unless you're going to buy clothes, horses, or other things in the game). Their customer service got a little better, I guess, but I have no clue. Honestly, it disappoints me as a long time player of this game to see all that has happened. I honestly miss the old sso, with old updates, with better and less flimsy horses and gameplay.
Thank you for speaking out about the JS cap. From the moment I began playing SSO back when the servers first opened in NA, I recognized the JS cap as a manipulative means to get the player to spend money. I've spent a lot of time devising ways to slip around this cap legitimately, without using any kind of cheating or glitching at all. I wish I could teach others my methods, but I don't for fear that SSO will put a stop to perfectly legit means of "saving" JS just because they're greedy.
Always a pleasure to watch your videos, and quite a surprise that Team Fortress 2 was mentioned; it was also one of my childhood games. Let's hope both companies can get their act together.
If you dont collect clothes, the spring festival isnt quite doing it for you. I like the thing with the baroness, but the bonnett as a reward isnt motivating me enough tbh. I mean, its a giant, pink bonnett, which will not be useful for you at all exept for a visual upgrade of your pixel-pony. No stats, nothing 🙈 But hey! I can level up my last 3 horses to 15 a lot quicker now with all those races that give 400 horse xp,, so I wont have any excuse for not buying another new horse 😅 which is.... prooooobably the business model of implementing those highly rewarded races in the first place But I gotta say - I am proud of me. In these 10 years, I havent spent more than 150€ on SSO, that is 15€ a year! (I earn my own money, so its okay). I always bought SC at double SC weekends and the last 2 times, I got myself 10.000 in one shot. Havent bpught new SC in over 2 years now and still run high (but I have to admit,I used the winter bug in 2021 and still have some saddles that I can sell for expensive tack, so I dont have to buy it from StarCoins. This helped me a hecking LOT savimg up)
this may go into the broken promises and influencers part but when the community found out that sadly violet flowergarden had paseed away sso said that they want to add something into the game as a memory of her yet its been a few months now and nothings happend i see this as yet again another broken promise
It's a delicate issue they need to be in talks with the family and the family needs to mourn they can't just jump in and make something. It needs to be thoroughly planned out.
I think we should all thank you for the videos and all the information you put in them. I just found your channel and it’s really interesting to hear different SSO players and their opinions. You got a new subscriber, keep going! And besides, I think your voice is really calming :> (Don’t mind my grammar, I’m actually German and I’m still learning English in school, correct me if I have some spelling or grammar mistakes, thank you
And once again, thank you to these AMAZING creators for being a part of this project ♥
Part three will be done soon! ^^
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@@myshadowrealm4u Hey! Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video! The fact that the visual style of SSO is all over the place I think is a bigger issue than people give it credit for. There is no cohesion, no feeling that all of these parts 'merge' to create a world. As a result immersion gets hurt, and people become disconnected from the world. I wish they could keep a consistency for the horses. But it feels more like the teams are in competition with who can bring out the 'best' horse. And that's not really how it should be XD
i found myself really missing easter this year, its just not as fun - the new events lack personality and colour
Exactly what I also have been thinking! Thank you for saying it I felt like I was the only one with this opinion.
I've heard a few people say this, actually!
Absolutely! The update was sooo extremly boring
Right? It just feels like a log on, collect tokens/whatever you have to collect for that particular event, log off cycle. No fun, no excitement, nothing.
wait there was no easter event? wow
The JS cap is one of the worst offenders to me. When I started to play I never bought anything so I was constantly at the limit. Then a set came out I really wanted and I was only able to afford one saddle...
If the game allowed me to actually save more then 1k I would have been able to get the entire set, without having to grind the same quests and races soooo long.
I agree with everything you and the *content creators* in the video said.
There are so many serious issues with the game and I'm literally at a point in which I have *nothing* to do in the game. *Nothing* My horses are all level 15, I don't intend on buying a new one at any time soon and let's face it: Theres nothing else to do.
I even have all the Stars collected and all fossils, soooo...
Oh and little Spoiler!
You get *nothing* for finding all the stars. No cutscene, no piece of tack or clothes, nor any achievement...
It was so unsatisfying and I get why people don't care about finding those stupid stars
what?! then why the hell am I even looking for them in the first place? Jeez it sounds more dissapointing than having 100% in old Spyro 2
So true. The JS cap is so restrictive.
When you’ve basically purchased the game via lifetime star rider : you shouldn’t have to be pressured into buying more star coins and be frustrated with the ONE currency that’s supposed to be free
@@echo117 Right!? I was so convinced that there was at least a small reward, but nope..
@@leukopossum7930 Same! As you say: It's the main, free in-game currency, but you can do so little with it that's It's kinda useless
The stars aren't mandatory, it was always just an Easter egg of sorts
I really enjoy your videos; finally a voice of reason within this community, that is mature and well articulated.
Thank you Tomato! ♥
Highly agreed!!!
SSO's biggest problem is that they found a scheme that works well for earning money and they pushed it to the extremes. they're pushing it so badly that the rest of the game is being neglected to the pouty of no salvation.
now, every gaming company has /a thing/ that sells. for example sims sells dlc content that add onto the gameplay, gacha games sell characters, equipment, pets etc and for sso that /thing/ is horses. and there's nothing inherently wrong with that on the surface, there's ALWAYS gonna be people that buy every single item, or horse available because they can. they're the ones feeding money into the company and the ones that keep it afloat. however, if that's the only thing you as a developer put out as "content" without providing the actual gameplay where this stuff you bought can be used you're no longer developing a game. you're developing a money spending simulator where you can run on an open map. that's it. that's how you slowly kill your game and that's what pushes your "low spender" players away. hell even f2p ones. and you need those to keep the game alive, they're the backbone of the community and they're potential future customers as well, and sso is giving them less and less reasons to stay.
edit: forgot to add this but if the product you sell is the very reason players are turned away from the game you're doing something wrong. they could've had a high quality and great game if only they realized this and focused on the featured they want to implement.
I remember being in 3rd grade when I first started playing SSO... Today I'm close to turning 20 and there are still so many things that are missing despite being teased. I'm growing up interested in developing games and Star Stable is a massive reason as to why I aspire to become a game developer. This game has such big potential, but lately a lot of it, especially the story, has been feeling very messy. I play a lot of MMORPGs today, but Star Stable is the one I WISH I was playing more, but not even new story missions grab my interest anymore unfortunately.
I started playing SSO in 6th grade! I’m now 22 years old. It’s been a decade, I’m right there with you. So sad to see how the game has changed. Between myself and my parents, we’ve sunk 1k into SSO. I sat and added up my purchases… over $1,000. Wish I could be saying “I’m proud that I invested in the future of this game”… and not, “I’m ashamed for throwing money into an endless in game purchase pit”.
What actually amuses me is that they removed the coldness feature due to "accessibility issues" when literally the whole locked portals and grind thing on Halloween was an accessibility issue
I actually looked forward buying a north Swedish horse when I was working to unlock dino valley, then it disappeared.
My biggest broken promise is I remember sso saying they planned on doing something to memorize Violet Flowergarden (If someone here is confused: Violet Flowergarden was a very popular sso youtuber who passed away suddenly in January), I haven't seen anything for Violet and that kinda rubs me the wrong way bc she did so much for the community, and i'm still wrapping my head around the fact shes gone.
Dude, jeez. She only passed in February. It’s probably taking a while to do something bc SSO probably wants to make sure they get it right the first time. Would you rather have them take time to do something for Violet that’s completed and looks/functions good the first time it’s released, or would you rather have them release an unfinished thing that no one will be happy about? See, this is this community’s problem, y’all bash them and complain when they take too long to release something (bc they’re making it look good and function properly before releasing it), so then they release an unfinished product (the gen 3 friesians) and y’all turn around and get mad at them for releasing something half completed. Well what did you expect? You complained they were taking too long, so they released it early, then you complained it was unfinished, well ofc it was. It wasn’t ready for release yet 😂 Everyone in this community is just like privileged children that get everything they want from their parents when they want it, so they act as if they are the employers and SSO has to bow down to them and do everything they say
@@montanamountaingarden476 the thing is, the time they promised they would have a memorial for violet flowergarden it had been a while ago. it doesnt need to be hard and doesnt need to take months to finish. the gen 3 fresians are a very different scenario that would need to take a few months to finish. a memorial for violet could be as small as a special place in the woods for her, or maybe something as big as an event (which would understandably take a while) so if they keep their promises, update us with *possible* (keyword) deadlines, and let us know of issues and actually cooperating with the fandom and audience then the audience wouldn’t be this upset with sso.
@@montanamountaingarden476no, its already been that long. Even still
its just so disrespectful to the PERSON, and you know what? its been FIVE months since her death.
I think it would be cool to have her character and Lola in a beautiful spot, having a picnic, and maybe every time you walk up to her, she says some iconic lines. Maybe it would be cool to add a seat next to her so some of us could sit down and say our final goodbye. Or just give her a resting place. There's many ways you can go about it, but it's definitely needed at this point.
Star stable has become less about adventure and more about a pretty pony dress up game. I was an adult when I started playing these games (all the starshine legacy games & sso back in 2013) and I fell in love with the lore and the story (being a lover of rpg story games) now I hear that the quests have all changed and things have been removed and it’s completely destroyed the franchise for me. I loved all the theories that players had and the research they put together.
Thank you for putting together another great video!
IMO, a big problem with SSE/SSO is how they remove things without adding stuff back in. Entire plotlines have been readjusted, shortened or removed in their entirety. Tasks have been removed. Reputation grind has been removed (such as the purple rift quest).
The bigges no-no in any game is removing things without refilling that gap in one way or another.
Someone who did this incredibly well was Toys for Bob when they remade Spyro the dragon, or Crash Bandicoot by Vicarious Visions. They took whatever content they had and breathed new life into the games, and while old graphics and style was removed, they kept the core assets and _added to them_ . The player wont feel like they have been ''robbed'', because whatever was taken away has been given back in some way or form; in most cases more are added than what was removed or altered in the first place.
When SSE/SSO ''updates'' their areas, functionalities, characters and storyline, more often than not they change the old to a point it is no longer recognizeable or they remove it in its entirety. That is what upsets me the most with this game. It is in a very poor taste for any corporation/developers and rightfully leaves long-time loyal players with a bitter taste in their mouths.
Add the broken promises, half-assed explanations and over-priced items that are basically NFTs catered to children and its no wonder why SSO recieves the backlash they get. They put themselves in this situation but lack the maturity and spine to adress their wrongs and properly fix them. Actions speak louder than words and so on.
oh my god the rifts took me so long i am both happy that new homies don't have to experience that painful slog but i'm also very upset that i had to go through that and it was needed to further the story
@@mackenzieperessini8610I joined 3 days before the 10th birthday. What was the Rift grind?
@@warriormaiden9829 it has been years since i finished it, so my memory of the specifics is very little, but it was a reputation quest where pink pandorian rifts would show up in no more than a few places a day, possibly based on the hour, where you'd have to run to them and do a small minigame in order to "close" that rift and gain a number of reputation points that *eventually* unlocked the next story quest.
the reputation one needed to unlock the next quest was a *ton* and i'm pretty sure one could even fail the minigames and lost out on those points for the day, which only made the quest go on even longer, and since it was blocking a story quest (iirc), it just made the game very frustrating
@@mackenzieperessini8610 Shared feeling, although Im also very sad that the story section in itself is gone. They could have just decreased the rep you needed and problem would have been solved without removing the content entirely C:
This was so far back in the days, they were still pushing some sort of story quest every week. I think they used the heavy reputation grind to buy themselves some time to properly write out the next section of the main story, but thats just a theory!
@@mackenzieperessini8610 So equivalent to the Soul Riding, but you had to do it to get to the Soul Riding with Rhiannon? Ouch.
It's one thing for an influencer/content creator to throw things around, cancel it, and yo-yo about. I can understand that-- if a content creator plans a meet or contest and nixes it, it's mildly annoying but fairly 'eh'.
But this is a company. SSO is a company, it's not even comparable. In my private projects, I do exactly like SSO does, but I'm not fandangling large amounts of money from people nor do I have a large team full of competent people available to me. Everything they're doing screams unprofessional and not serious.
Whenever SSO makes an announcement for something new, I just go 'nah' at this point. I'll be excited when I see it in-game, not a moment before. Which is super sad, because the hype has always been my favourite thing, yet it doesn't matter anymore. The few genuinely good things are overshadowed by endless blunders I'm not sure they can ever outrun.
Edit: Look, conclusion from my side has, and will always be, that this is a management issue and someone needs to dunk the leadership at SSO in some Stop It, Open Them Ears Juice.
this, the fact it was compared to a random teenager promising videos and not delivering grinders my gears lol. this is a company and we all know damn well why they aren't delivering their promises. it's because of their incompetence and because they focus so badly on only developing horses instead of the bigger picture.
The sad part is they do not seem to realize that the players are their customers. Without the players, they are out of buisness. Instead, they act as we all should be grateful for every little thing they do and not ask questions or complain. This mentality is what eventually is going to kill the game.
I feel like it’s time for SSO 2
Yes, they should migrate to UE4 or something and get rid of all the legacy junk
I wish so badly they would have made a second game instead of turning sso into something I didn’t pay for a decade ago
@@lizzymandile2022 this^^
@@lizzymandile2022 yes Exactly could not have said it better myself
@@lizzymandile2022 and also I would not mind if that they had just made a new game instead because it is manly for kids now. And you know what that means right the second you try to chat to someone you don’t know if they are a kid as such they tell their parents someone is trying to talk to them on the game and then star stable says it’s only for kids and that’s not true, this game was meant for adults.
All this time, I've been watching / listening to these videos assuming Star Stable Online WAS free-to-play. Learning it actually uses a subscription / "pay once" type model reframes... pretty much everything. That is insane.
That is normal. It's an MMO, online games can't be free to play or else how will they stay online? Your stupidity is really pissing me off, I hate people who think online games need to be free to play. Clearly you never looked into game development
Not sure if you play now but I'll explain just in case. It technically is "free" but only up to an extent. If you don't pay at all, you can still play, but are restricted to a tiny portion of the map and quests go quiet very quickly. There's nothing else to do but leave, pay if you're interested, or just chill with your horse for a few minutes when you log on for the handful daily quests or whatnot. You certainly can't buy even a fraction of the clothes, as many of them are level restricted and you can only go up to like level 5-8 without paying (and that's if the game gives you a few days of free membership, and if you grind your butt off to get as much progress as you can). I felt awful when my last day of free membership ran out, stayed with my horse for a few weeks after that, then abandoned the game until years later. To be honest, as much as I hate the company and their tactics, I still hold a subscription to play.
all "free to play" games means free to a point then you pay, because you can technically play for free so they can use the wording, but not the whole game.
"i dont wanna run in a circle for three minutes and then pretend like that was fun" LMFAO love it said it perfectly
I could mention even more things they teased or promised that I'm sure of everyone here forget about: Lisa's secret mission when we and Alex were looking for the starbreed that contained the reborn Concorde's spirit. We were supposed to find out what Lisa has been up to between our mission to find Concorde and saving Concorde from Ydris. Or the removal of the Kallters from Dino valley. They created a new quest with them where they were leaving to head home to their homeland. They teased big stuff that was going to happen around that mystery and that roar end of 2018. It was for 2019 so that was very misleading. Or what about the unfinished questline with Herman? Yes we brought him home last year, but what is going to happen now? Are we still going to stop GED from destroying the Harvest Counties? Or find out why they allianed themselves with Darkcore? And why Darkcore needed Herman within the deal of buying Drakonium from GED? So many questions we might not get an answer to anytime soon. I'm very invested in the story even tho I barely play the game anymore. It was part of my childhood so I'm very diseapointent they never continued any of these storylines. Then there was also the promise of the other two parts of Mistfall. Originally Wildwoods was supposed to become North Mistfall split in two parts. But they skipped the whole idea of creating the mountains of Jor in to one area and created Wildwoods. Sure it's a beautiful area with a couple of mysterious, but there's not much interesting lore about it. I wanna know more about the story behind that ranger that went to the forest and become one with the nature or the primivail tree there. I also thought Darko was supposed to be looking for the fourth darkrider (Elise) at the time in 2015, but then in 2017 he showed up in Pandoria when were saving Anne to stop us. There was never any mention of the last general until now so I wonder if they messed up the main storyline between 2016 - 2020? It seems like they needed to dive back in to the story again because the old story writers of the original games already left. And reboot the story to make it logical again. Because we were trying to save Anne from Pandoria I feel like they totally forgot about our main purpose of the story which is finding all copies of the light ceremony book because Darkcore stole the book itself, prepare the ceremony, reuniting the soulriders and guardians, preventing the darkriders from completing the group and evantually perform the ceremony to stop Garnok. As an older player who still remembers the old storyline I feel like the game has totally erased the old stuff.
Hot damn! Thank you for this!
I think what really needs SSO is to flood the community with experienced gamers. You know, the type who knows their rights better and were ready to tear the throats of companies for situations like Star Wars: Battlefront 2. Boy, that would be fun. I would like to see this show.
P.S. Sorry for my English.
Definitely agree with minatozy about them just making a million changes.. Its just ruining the game and the lore and the whole feeling in my opinion.
Also rattle! Did you ever cover that talking horse area? And players feedback about it 😂
I like these types of videos, they are like the voice of the community, about what they do not remain silent and tell the truth and how they give their opinion towards SSO, and not only limiting themselves to what, what a beautiful game wow how incredible, sorry If I say something wrong but my English is not the best and I have to use a translator to express myself, I would like to see videos like this from the Latino community but it is literally dead xD
I just started playing SSO last week, and this game is so incredibly out of date for an MMO. The engine is clearly a generation or two behind, it lacks basic QOL things one would find in a game (quest tracker, quest progress not saving between sessions, UI scaling, map zoom, etc). I have seen incredibly offensive things being said in the chat, with one person outright saying "I won't say offensive things anymore" after being called out, so I believe there's no moderation as well. I'm not surprised the devs are tripping over themselves to promise new things but they all fall through immediately.
Problem is that a large amount of players in SSO don't really know any other game outside of one or two cheap mobile game so for them, SSO is everything. But when you come from other online games you easily see the problems. And seeing them going from saying their target is tweens and teens to now release more things for a way younger audience, we can understand that they try to move on a more easily impressionnable target, the one which will want to buy more stuff and will less easily think before wanting something.
I feel like people seem to forget that, even if we can have for example 15 000 Jorvik shilling at max, then the clothes price will come up to 15 000. If it goes up to 20 000 then that's what clothes and tack will cost.
With the festival coming I saw a shirt that was 150 sc. that’s 10 AUS dollars. What the fuck star stable. Ten bucks for a shirt.
Also around 10 bucks for a crusty saddle
I have no interest in horses, nor horse games but I have watched ALL of your videos and anxiously await each new one! You are such an amazing speaker, who has alot of personality and maturity while presenting a fair take on controversy! Amazing job, keep up the good work! ❤
Eeep! Thank you so much! :D ♥ It's always so cool to hear people enjoy your content, despite the topic!
Star stable is a company that exploits children for money. People need to stop trying to humanize a multi-million dollar company. They don’t care about their players, they don’t even have any interest in horses from what I can tell. They care about moving product and making millions. I don’t blame the staff, it doesn’t seem like a great company to work for anyways. If you care about the future of horse games, please don’t give sso any more money. Support games that do good instead 😊 Even, rival stars has the steam version of their game that takes away the micro transactions element.
Im literally watching all your videos for three days straight, I absolutely love these, since they are so informative!!
Hot damn! Thank you! :D ♥ Glad you're enjoying them! Best compliment ever XD
Me too, i love to binge these and just turn them on without even paying attention to them or while falling asleep
@@YTRattle no problem! Please continue doing these, I really hope it helps that SSO see their mistakes!
One of the reasons why SSO is such a flop is the fact they released over 10 years ago and still don't have a complete storyline.
I've never played this game but if a subscription based MMO filled with microtransactions marketing towards minors won't let me pet the invasive-lionfish-dragon-sparkle-70USD-horse then what's even the point.
Don't forget that Star Stable also ignores the terrible situation between Ukrainian players who are FORCED to play on a Russian server and are expected to be subjected to TERRIBLE bullying. Why for the sake of god Ukrainians have to be on the same server with russians ??? Even after year of full scale war ??? This is terrible from every point of view and to me it shows how much Star Stable as a company just ignores their players when they MOST need the company to take action. They just let horrible things happen and don't even try to do anything. As far as I know, even after a year of people screaming about it, Star Stable simply ignored the situation all the time, allowing the Russian players to do whatever they want to the Ukrainians without being punished (how surprisingly). For many people, it's strange to even imagine what it's like to go through a war every day, or to being called an ethnic slur, but for Ukrainian players, it's everyday life, even when they try to play a game that should be a safe place :/
But not all Russian players bully Ukrainian ones. Maybe people should stop forcing adults problems on kids. Star stable should ban bad players and that’s it. Don’t create a war between players, especially when Russian kids can be nice to Ukrainian people. And imo Ukrainian players don’t even have time for playing, they have war going on.
When Birch and Sakura came out I could've sworn somewhere they said they'll be returning again so I didn't get them as I was saving SC and missed out on it bc they reworded/changed their minds idk what happened. They changed a lot/reword a lot of articles now and you won't notice until it's too late
Great video as always 👏🏻
My problem with SSO is that they have been digging their own grave. This is the result of making horses (and making money) a priority and not the in-game experience. Many of us who have been very critical wanted the updates to be more balanced (horses vs quests) and in my opinion, that have not been an unrealistic request. Instead, we have gotten a lot of nonsense excuses (i.e. lies) why they can not implement certain things. In general, most of us do not like to be lied to. This is what happens when a company do not listen to their customers and continues to live in their own reality. SSO has brought this on themselves.
I've always thought sso should become more fortnite like (no not the battle royale part, the economy) fortnite let's you return 1 item per year with a refund token and if something is changed it grants a free refund. you can also refund an item within 24 hours of the purchase if you don't use it, which is great if you impulsively bought something but end up regretting it.
Thank you Rattle, you've really helped me open my eyes and see what's really happening with Star Stable, every time you post I learn something! Ever since I watched your first Star Stable video I've become so invested in them, so, Thank you
♥♥ Ahh! Glad you're enjoying the content! Hopefully we'll get a good horse game soon! XD
Recently I've been getting pretty frustrated with the game and not even opening it for many months. I thought I was just growing out of it but this series is confirming that the other feelings I had were more than just getting too old for the game but actual issues and not imagined. The social aspect was always the biggest thing for me so it's probably why I haven't been playing anymore but it's a shame to have the "best" horse game I can get be.. This. Star Stable is the closest to what I want from a horse game and yet it is still so far off... I'm hoping Paralives will be able to make horses as fun if not more fun than in Sims 3 so my horse loving dreams can be fulfilled once more.
EDIT: Oh my goddd the Halloween update is being mentioned, I was so depressed last year because the Halloween update was one of my favourite things and I was in a terrible mental state so I was looking forward to it. Until I learned it was going to be an insane grindfest and it was ruined as someone with ADHD. I didn't play for even a day once I realized.
5:54 So true. It's like they go out of their way to say what they WANT to add to the game before they even start working on HOW it could even be added. That's why I like the roadmaps because they can 90% guarantee it's gonna happen. While all this other crap is just wishful thinking. For example, I'd love for there to be magical horses that can fly, but then they not only have to create realistic wings (which they better have fucking done by the Rainbow festival update) but also have to program our players to be able to move about in a vertical plane, which is hard when using the camera doesn't dictate which direction you move.
omg someone finally agrees with me that the lippizzaner is FAT
These videos, are so well put together! Completely agree with everything which was mentioned within this video. I started playing around 2017 and I remember getting so hyped for the talk of getting our own custom stable! But, here we are 6 years later with no sign of them. I still have my little couch, in my closet in hopes that one day they add them. Once again, Love this series so much! Well done!
Thank you! ♥♥
for the body and proportions update - yes, they have to put every clothpiece on all the new models, BUT some clothes share the same shapes, and need adjustment with the textures which is not a big deal. so its far less work than u said.
Hey! This is an interesting answer, and I'd love to hear more! Can you perhaps expand on the point? Explain how they would actually go about changing the size of the clothing?
I am worried they will make us pay for our clothes again. That would be so devious. 🫵😧
@@tomatoo2486Ohh, they'd better not... 😤
@@YTRattle
alright here comes some 3D knowledge and i'll try to keep it simple:
body of a charakter = model (which you showed at 6:00),
the shape of an object or clothing piece = mesh (you showed this "net" at 6:04, the grey ones are without a texture on it),
the image-file thats put onto the blank objects to give it its colorful look = texture.
For the meshcounting, lets take the already excisting pants for instance -
Pants in SSO have only 13 meshes -> riding-pants, tight bell-bottoms, wide bell-bottoms, 3/4-pants, long cargo pants, short cargo pants, chaps, miniskirt, longskirt, hotpants, shorts, 2 sorts of knickerbocker.
Kill me if i forgot one of the special-meshes :P
*and only those 13 meshes need to be adjusted onto one model.*
Lets take the miniskirts for the further doing:
- In the 3D programm you put that skirt onto this new body - since our old charakter-models were very skinny, it would propably clip through the new hips, the butt and tights, which they need to fix by pulling the mesh's little anchorpoints in place.
A skirt is a very simple clothing-piece and has not many anchorpoints (depending on the design), but we are talking about SSO-meshs which are even more simple and i would say this is a work of a few minutes for a professional.
Since there are neither genders nor diffrent age-caps, there is chunk of work omitted too.
- The next part is weightpaints - every charakter-model need its assigned weightpaints (the rainbowcolors on the body) and those are copy-pasted onto the clothing-meshes. This is required for instance, if our charakter lifts its right leg, the skirt must also move upwards on the right side. So, without these weightpaints the skirt would stay stiff and cause the leg to clip through the fabric when beeing moved.
The effort here is - based on the simpleness of SSO clothes - not so high either and here is a funfact - once weightpaint is transfered properly on a mesh, it can "scale" with the body-shape (thicker and thinner to a degree with little-to-no-adjustments). Which means they dont have to fully do one skirt for every single bodyshape anew.
- Now a routine piece of work, since SSO has many, many textures for the same meshes. A texture is nothing but a deformed looking image-file. The outcome is not so diffrent from a link of a website leading to another page (you can change the look of that page and the link would always lead to the same page under a diffrent look).
The anchor-points of the mesh are literally placed ontop of that image ...or vice versa baked onto the mesh/wrapped around the mesh (many ways are possible, that depends on the creator) -
Lets say we put a blue texture, the anchorpoints are set, the mesh apllies the blue color over its area, now save that whole thing - done.
Red skirt next? Just replace the blue texture with the red's image, save. Next.
Yellow skirt? Pick n chose the dedicated file, replace the red, save. Next.
The textures all look the same by shape and only the inner content differs by colors or details, thats why the anchorpoints need no repositioning.
( I will skip the part of removing the model and the microadjustments in the settings.)
Furthermore SSO has no transparency or UV-maps for a material-effect on the fabric of the clothes, so there is another big chunk of work avoided too.
Now with all the files for every skirt in all the dedicated colors, they now can be inserted into the programming part / be woven into the game with the rules of how they are released, how they can be obtainedand, how they are stored, who can wear them etc.
I hope that was helpful in a way. :)
@@midnight19488 while all that's true, didn't SSO say they are gonna do new meshs for all the old clothes due to the reason the old engine didn't allow them to create high polygone meshes? I feel like I read something like this in one of their development blogs.
I feel like a good way to satisfy both sides when it comes to the JS cap is to increase the cap by a small amount (say, to maybe a max of 15 or 20 k) while sso puts a cap on how much they are allowed to sell their items for (like they can't go over 10 k now, so keep the cap there). That way they avoid the problem of players over-saving and not spending, but the players still have at least SOMETHING to fall back on for another item or horse food. Because the way it's set up now is that I can only afford one decent item every few months, or a few that I don't exactly love. I'm not an avid player who will grind every race and daily task, and paying quests will only pay you until they're complete. I can't describe how discouraged I feel when an event blows by and there are a bunch of outfit items I want, but I can only afford one item in the set, two if I'm lucky. Even more discouraged when I see my savings over the weeks/months go from almost 10k to practically zero, and I'm forced to start over from scratch.
YAYYY Well done to you rattle, and all of the content creators involved!! You all are truly a great voice for the community, thank you so much for allowing us to be heard! Amazing video and I cannot wait for part three!! ♡
You are truly an amazing content creator yourself Kitti! Thank you for your last documentary! ❤ Hopefully Rattle will invite you also to talk about SSO 🤩😍 We have such talented content creators in our community!
I LOVED your video Kitti! That thing was amazing! ♥
@@rosemoonbridge8886 Oh my gosh Rose this means so much to me!! Thank you so much for your support :'D ♡ This comment made my day!!!
@@YTRattle AAAH It's an honor knowing that you've seen my documentary Rattle!!! ♡ Thank you so much for your support :D ♡
@@helIokitti :D
I've noticed that the community has erupted into chaos. Especially Global Chat. There are constant arguments in that chat, about anything and everything. Especially when it comes to the success or failure of the game. These arguments will last for HOURS with multiple people involved, and usually end up with lots of feelings hurt. It's one of those things that I think can drive away players. The community has this toxicity that no one wants to be around, and can even be harmful to be around all the time. This is especially true for those who are very sensitive to the environment they put themselves in.
This rings true for myself. Not only have I lost interest in what little the game has to offer, but I don't want to surround myself with the toxic environment that the game puts off. I'm in a club, but I only log on for events because I have no other reason to be on the game. As mentioned, the game has become a notorious cycle of Buy horses, train them, repeat. The occasional quest is thrown in there, but alas, there's still not much to do.
The "White Knights" of SSO tell the people who criticize the game "Then play something else." Find me a better option that's just as good or better than SSO, then. I'll gladly leave. And that's the thing, there isn't a better option. SSO is a one of a kind. There are no other horse games like it. Or so far, none that can live up to the standard that SSO has put down. That's why some players continue to come back. We don't have a better option.
The ones that tried to live up to SSO's standards have all flopped. Terribly. This is another aspect that contributes to the anger. The players that are tired of SSO have no where else to go. They have no other horse game that can fill the shoes of SSO. Some just push through the boredom and continue to play, while others get tired of it and leave. There will always be new players coming in. SSO will always have what they need to thrive as long as those players keep flooding in. And unfortunately, that means our voices will eventually be drowned out.
I’m always so excited to watch whenever I see you’ve uploaded a new video. I found out about you from stacys blogpost in the comments a while ago, I think it was about the new character models? You’ve become one of my favorite star stable/commentary adjacent UA-camrs, especially because as Tomatoo said, it truly seems like you are the main voice of reason in this fandom/community. Also your voice is super nice to listen to while doing something in the meantime! Your work definitely does not go unrecognized!
♥♥♥ Thank you egg! I love your screen name XD
@@YTRattle thank u! It’s the silliest nickname I could think of for myself :D
12:56 I wanted to make a fan write about Mistfall witches for soo long (The idea came from that in the past you could hear a scream in Mistfall) I started planning the characters and I also started writing the story, but due to the lore change of the main story, it is impossible.
i remember when they said they would add houses and livable spaces to put furniture when governor falls released
Not to mention that the tornado with the shards during the Halloween event was super buggy! Though the bug was patched where you couldn't run back and do it again, the people that grinded it out got tons and tons of exp, leveling some people beyond what is pretty much possible just doing the game. I have been playing for the better part of a decade (have done pretty much everything reputation wise etc.) and I recently hit level 23, yet there are people around that are level 25 and higher, all because of that one singular glitch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I never saw players that high of level until that bug. It's super frustrating how broken the leveling system is to begin with, but it's unfair to people that do champs when these players are higher level because of a bug they took advantage of!
And the fact these people weren’t punished is bullshit! They should’ve reset them back to level 21 or 22
It’s kinda dum they don’t consider that raising the shilling cap could increase player play time. Also if people earn enough shillings to by most of a set they would be more likely to buy the last few items using star coins, because people want to complete their collection. Plus people will by star coins anyway since horses can only be bought with star coins.
the jorvik shillings bit almost got me physically mad tbh, i mean really? "fragile economy"???? plEASEEEE (i watched the whole video i just needed to vent a little bit lmao)
honestly the cap is annoying to me but in a bit of a different way because i don't buy much, so i'll do the races every once in a while when i feel like booting up sso and eventually start getting that annoying notification yelling at me that my bank is full and that i need to get rid of some shillings. honestly i don't know of any other games that do this, and if they do there's a mechanic like "pockets" and an actual "bank," and the cap is reasonable (not typically the same as most things available to buy, as sso's gear is turning into)
also, i feel like i'm a bit in the middle ground you mentioned at the video's end. i'm a very passive player. i get on, run around a bit, maybe participate in the event a little, and hop off. i don't talk in the chat nor do i interact with those in the community all that much (this channel and Siren are really all i interact with in earnest), so it's strange. i didn't know about the sand lines or the movie community stuff until i got a bit more involved, or even about some of the bugs that plague others. i feel like it has given me a less favorable view on star stable since, as you said, much of what's talked about in the community is either praise and attention leaning towards advertisements for sso, or the denouncement of the entire company; and, as an older player, i gravitate toward the more critical side.
This video is great. I loved hearing everyone’s opinions. I’m sick of this game. It’s like the game is trying to get SSO to fulfill their promises, not the actual game lol.
as someone who's been trying to get SSO to see the community for YEARs now - i'm also to the point of lost hope. SSO doesn't realize how many players only play the game still because we've created activities for ourselves to do through communities within in a game that has little-to-none actual content to play once you get to the end game. the dressage community, the RRP community, the racing community are huge to maintaining the player base, and SSO refuses to acknowledge us or give us the updates we need to really thrive and continue to enjoy the game. its been clear to me for a while now that SSO CEO's truly do not care about us, and as long as they are making money off of us they likely won't ever care about what we really want to see in the game.
the dressage community for example: there are hundreds of clubs and teams that specifically revolve around dressage and host up to several hours of practices a day across all regions and servers. A DAY. how many casual SSO players do you know that log on for several hours a day 5 days a week? personally, none. dressage people have created entire methods and systems to work around SSO's screen delay and weird bugs, so we can continue to practice them within the game that continues to make it harder and harder for us. the whole updated arena fiasco is the perfect example: the artist that worked on the new arena was sent all the diagrams and information needed to give the dressage community ONE simple thing: our grid pattern on the floor so we can measure out and perform accurate circles/moves. they ended up releasing the arena unannounced a week early, and the arena floor was naked as a mole rat. we yelled and fought and fought SSO, made posts with thousands of likes and tags for SSO to please change it - and after weeks of that they finally added a blotched pattern onto the ground that didn't represent AT ALL our grid method or the diagram we know was sent to the artist via clara lightland (it's funny because the blotches were quite literally the opposite of what we asked... it's like they took the grid and just lazily put blobs of lighter sand in the empty squares we never use?). so back to yelling and crying on social media, and me sending clara a very concerned message about why the information i sent her that she confirmed was passed along to the artist seemingly all got ignored. again, after even longer weeks they finally added an overlay option that is a 1/1 replica of our grid we use! and i'm SO glad they listened in the end, but the issue here is: why would they change something they know is so significant to a large part of their community WITHOUT doing proper research and WITHOUT putting proper care and attention into it? they could have saved themselves a whole lot of outrage from us, because they proved to us in the end they are capable of giving us what we want. but we had to practically go to war for it... and that is not how it should be. im thankful that we did indeed get the grid in the end, as it saved our community entirely. however i will never forget what we all had to go through to get to that point.
Starstable isn't a free to play game tbh,it's free til a certain level then sub based.
Also it pisses me off that if you wanna sell a horse,you don't get your star coins back....
Talking to support is useless,because they always make me feel like a child and I'm tired of it.
One of the things that made me more or less stop playing sso is dino valley. It might sound weird, but that is something that I've been disappointed by for several years. Dino valley is the only place that hasn't gotten an update yet. The winter Village has gotten three updates during that time. Dino valley is riddled with old terrain, old textures and terrain with random triangular holes that your house gets stuck in.
At the same time SSO boasts in ads that you can ride through all of the four seasons. But can I really? Dino valley looks amazingly off compared to every other place that it could be from another game. The playability is horrible because of the terrain.
But I can see the amazing potential, cool dinosaur skeletons, a witch, a bewitched winter, the new snow that came last year and the kalter! There were so many cool things going on there, but some have been removed and others ignored.
I've been waiting and hoping for an updated dino valley since at least 2018, probably long before that. When this winter came and went, I gave up. To me the wait and anticipation that this year was going to be the year all of Jorvik got the updated treatment followed by disappointment wasn't worth it anymore. That and the money grabbing business model made me lose most of my interest. I still play sometimes, I want to love this game, but BY AIDEEN'S BELOVED GRANDMOTHER IS IT DIFFICULT TO.
I really understand both the negative and positive sides about sso.
But there are so many issues going on, and I feel like it all leads up to one problem; The ceo and the developers.
I feel like if they were actually as passionate about the game like the community is, then all of these issues would eventually be taken care of and probably sooner than we'd expect.
I feel like there are many things that we can say to try to save the game, but it all comes down to whether they're willing to listen and not only looking for their own benefit...
I kinda hope that there will be a starcoin strike because, unfortunately, it feels like they are only willing to really listen when things are starting to go down... but that's only my opinion.
maybe they should get a new game engine or hire enginerer back from pixel tales who originally made the old star stable franchises so they can fix the engine framework to get a smooth gameplay in sso because they know this engine and have been used for barbie horse adventure riding camp,starshine legacy and star stable season rider.i hope you listening this important note @Rattle sorry for my english
Pixel Tales was only the distributor, the team was Hidden Entertainment. They lost interest in developing sso and quit.
I think my biggest disappointment moment was with the character updates. They promised them 2022 and 2021 not it’s 2023 and barely much. I know the team works hard but maybe they should stop having small side projects and focus on the big things first.
I’m one of those people who is in the middle. There are things I like about the game and there are things I do not. I don’t care if people disagree with me because they are allowed to have their own opinions. I think part of the divided community problem is that people are unable to except that others can have different opinions. Not everyone thinks or deals the same and that’s ok. I play SSO. I use it as a coping mechanism for my mental health. There are definitely aspects of the game for me that range from mild annoyance to boiling my blood, but over all I still like the game. I bought it for a reason. However, I do feel myself pulling away lately and losing interest do the the lack of good gameplay, almost all role plays being sexual, inappropriate chat conversations that people are having, broken promises from sso, and changes that were made that were not needed and definitely not well received (like the new sc js appearances). I tend to play other games now like red dead, modded minecraft, Roblox, and more. I still log on and play sso though, just not as much as I used to. It saddens me because I want the game to improve and see it truly become the best horse game, but there isn’t really anything I can do about it other than not spend money and speak up when it’s important. 🤷🏽♀️
YESSS new rattle video that i can listen to while playing a better mmo
Wait wait wait, SSO really said “Some people found a workaround that costs starcoins” about that stay over Bug. They make it sound like this isn’t an option THEY provide to work around these dayblockers. And that these people cheated or something. This choice of words really got me angry lol
In the segment where Abigail Pinehaven speaks about not being able to fulfill promises, I think comparing a million dollars company to a younger youtuber is a bit unfair.
If Abigail promises to make a video on Rival Stars but can't do it due to personal reasons that's absolutely valid and she shouldn't worry abt it, but SSO is a huge company with many employees and marketing teams. They make the conscious choice not to inform the player base about why said updates/promises can't be done, and instead choose to push out rushed, buggy horses.
They made the choice of quantity over quality for the game, and that's not going to be a sustainable business practice in the long run...
I kinda doubt sso will last another 5 years. ever since, i think, 2018 more and more players started to get against sso. "crying" "screaming" for them to listen to us. but they refuse to more and more. I mostly only hear from new players how "amazing" this game is since, which is totally fine, they dont know how it used to be. I remember when I started playing that sso had an amzing community. We got what we ask for so often and now it just feels like they've turned their back against us. More and more players are quitting, players start to hack an unlimmeted amount of sc,..... bcs they refuse to buy from sso.
I feel like as soon as more time passes, there will be so many players who just give up with sso and will quit. Whenever i log on, i mostly only see new players, all of my friends stopped. Not becauase they hate the game, me aswell i still love sso with my whole heart, but not what sso is doing during this time. SSO lost its original community, the community that kind of made sso get this big, and this is just sad. As time passes, more and more players will leave.
I have a feeling sso will only last with new players that have fun with this game for around 3 months until they have nothing to do and will get bored- unless they shove money into sso's ***, but i doubt that they will have a long lasting community in a few years. Im getting a feeling that the community will change a lot in the next years.
And it makes me sad. I kinda wanna see sso fail (yes it sounds rude, but only this way they may leran) but i also dont wanna see it fail, because sso still has a special place in my heart.
SSO suffers from delusions of grandeur. They promise way too much, breaking almost every one eventually. They need to update the engine if they want to have any semblance of a future for this game.
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You beat em all! LOL
what Siren said about how negative the game became just kind of hit me. it's not the same situation (different context and different conclusion) but earlier today i had a mental health crisis, and when i logged onto the game for escapism, some players called me the t slur and stuff like that. What got to me wasn't the name-calling itself, it's a game marketed to children, what can you expect, but the fact that the day prior, i tried asking for information about a club i was contemplating joining, and almost all of my messages were not let through the filter.
If anything, this ties in with the part about feeling unheard, if only a little bit. Like, sso has always been a comfort game for me, and with their pride events and queer characters i really felt welcomed, but then the literal t slur can be said in game no issue while every and all spellings of social media for example get filtered out. That's crazy! I wanted to make friends, and let's be honest, the sso chat will not be the place to have deep conversation, but exchanging info is literally impossible. Which i would agree is good in terms of security, protecting children and all that, but filter out slurs at least! that's protecting players too..! idk i'm going in circles, but yeah. not cool.
the videos get better and better every time!! thank you so much for being the voice of the community❤
The thing with the character model being more diverse and 'neutral' is really nice but honestly? I would've been okay with just letting me put my pronouns on my little character profile so I don't get misgendered. Playing as a girl for the sake of the story is not the problem, this wasn't a huge priority for me, yeah it's nice that we're getting it? I think? But I would've been happy with a way to properly identify myself.
Don't agree with you on the Lippizaners tho. Have you seen them? Because I've seen a couple that were pretty rotund bois and I LOVE them. I want to expand on me cutting the Lipi some slack. This game is heavily stylized, not a photorealistic simulator. As long as they're not the friesian, I'm pretty easy to please. I've gotten attached to and had fun with games that had worse horse models and animations so when I see kids younger than me whine about 'THE HORSE'S EYES ARE ARE TOO FAR APART' and you look at the actual breed and it's like, maybe a small change, the type only actual horse 'experts' would see, then yeah I'm gonna be annoyed and consider them a little bit spoiled because there's a difference between getting your money's worth and straight up asking for too much.
The modeling on them isn't too bad. Could use a bit better shading/texture on there, but eh. Would I like them to slime them just a touch? Yeah, but not by much. Lippi's are Baroque thick. (I have to identify SSO PRE/PSL by their animations and topline, not as a whole.) The biggest thing I have an issue with on them is the gaits. They really need to fix that shoulder and neck movement before they release.
@@warriormaiden9829 Yeah I agree, but I heard they 'updated' the textures on the Morgans and I legit do not see a difference. Are the coats a little shinier? That's it? People COMPLAINED about that?? Really don't understand being that fed up over a digital horse's coat 😂
Bruh, the horse sliding must be a bug, because it's literally normal on my end, same for many other people
i did notice a week ago the bunny hopping and my goodness im so glad they did add it, i remember the old moorland race and theres to jump close together that i can now jump. has always bugged me when i was a kid lool\
I commented on their reddit to have a break from buying, and it got deleted and before that someone replied "how are they gonna pay the workers" oh well, they dont even pay them enough, guys lets start to make a change with something that will make them break!
in this series y’all SPEAK FACTS! incredible work and i felt like i learned a lot. Really appreciate your time and effort on these videos, Rattle!❤
Both of these videos are so spot on and perfectly encapsulate how I've been feeling about the game for many years now. I'm so happy to see the continued growth of your channel and I'm eagerly looking forward to part 3! ♥
Ahhh! Thank you Seryth! And thank YOU for being such an awesome friend ^^ ♥
You are a very underrated creator 🙂 love your editing and somewhat sarcastic personality. Keep it up! 😁
Lol! Thank you! ♥♥ Love me some good sarcasm XD
I personally like that they went with a chunky version of lipizaners because at this point all the new horses look so similar that a unique one is welcome in my mind
Tbh they're not even 'chunky' for that breed. There is a more sporty version of the breed, yes, but if you look at the ones used in shows.. Most of them are quite muscular and thick looking. And tbh I never noticed until I compared SSO's lippizaner to an image of one. I will say.. There is something about SSO's that just doesn't quite hit the spot, but it is much closer to the accuracy of the breed than what people are giving it credit for. At least IMO.
The currency system is probably my biggest gripe about the game. I don’t like the JS cap. I hate how expensive items cost with JS. BUT! I wouldn’t mind it so much IF SSO was a free to play game. But it isn’t! I’ve already paid a premium price for this game.
i tink it is weird that when you look at sso there insta it is 98% positive but everywhere els it is 98% negative.......
Actually the last point has nothing to do with sso or content creator or the fanbase... it's a actual problematic of many societies.
People now days tend to be more aggressive and mad....
Maybe it’s just me but I miss most Halloween events in Jorvik, like the Halloween ride. I know it has this Halloween trail ride but well, I almost always seem to go the wrong way? It’s still awesome but I feel all of Halloween is basically only inside of the Halloween world now. I remember I used to get really excited during Halloween when you had multiple places across Jorvik where you could uhm.. bite apples? And you’d get a prize. Anyways, that’s mostly the thing I miss from back then, also the old music and sound is what I miss
Honestly one of my fav's horse games is n roblox. Yes whi. They just don't rush their updates, neither they make promises that they never give, and it just makes me very very excited everytime I see a new update, even the smaller ones. Yes starstable is trying to fix it, but well um..... I feel like most of the times they don't do it in the right way.
One thing I always think about when people say SSO seems like a free to play game, is that it kind of is. If you look at other MMOs, there's usually a monthly subscription. SSO gives you a one-time fee that you can pay and that's it. They wouldn't make a lot of profit as an MMO that way. That doesn't excuse their ridiculous prices, but at least it explains why the structure of a premium currency exists at all.
Idk maybe I’m weird or selfish but I hate when sso post new pets or gear and they say “ Oh look at the new pets! They are so cute but they are only for a week or two, hurry up and get one for yourself! “ And I was so stupid that I fell for that and buy these pets for maybe 600sc or something, and a year later they are giving people free codes with the same pets I bought last year. Or when they give to the new players presents like dogs or stuff, and the avatar customization. I know I know, It’s cool when they give players free things,more features and that's what I think attracts people to play the game, but hello? I’ve paid for things in game and a year later you’re giving it free? I know that collecting sc for a year it will refunde me a hundred times for the in game purchases but I still paid for something that is now free. And now I’m still hesitating to buy something bc Idk if it will be free a year after. (Sorry for the typos guys
6:48 you shouldn't compare yourself to a company, youtubers are usually a one-man show, Star stable is a pretty big company with dozens if not hundreds of people working underneath them. Also people pay huge amount of money for a game that is really not worth it in hopes that star stable will continue to make the game better, but it never happens. UA-camrs not fulfilling their promises is to be expected, when a company like SSO does it over and over again it becomes problematic.
I completely agree! What I was trying to empathise with is more that a team can be geared up and ready to make an update or event, and then be told by their game director (Upper management) that they have to focus on horses instead.
In my opinion the entire company is not to be blamed but rather we can understand how things can be sidelined when shareholders, ceo's and big bosses want to focus on monetary gain instead.
However I completely agree that there is a limit to the number of times this can happen before players lose trust and even interest in empty promises. Good comment!
@@AbigailPinehaven Yeah that is understandable.. personally my quarrel is with the higher ups, not the devs, concept artists etc
you and the content creators are just right
the theam and the game changed too much in the wrong way
the game just gets boring and boring, meanless races (like HOJ) etc.
for the ending: don't worry, i can' talk normally nowadays 😂
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I hope they never increase the JS cap. It takes days to get to the 10 000 JS to buy stuff. If they increase the JS cap, the prices for new stuff will get even higher, and people will feel even more forced to buy SC.....
35:26 calling an in-game mechanic they financially profit off of a "workaround" is absolutely insolent in my opinion. It downplays the severity of the issue, a bug that's causing people to lose real money that they themselves or someone else worked for. It's simply disrespectful. The tone of the rest of the message really doesn't help... - Edit: I say this as someone working in customer service. It can be difficult to pick up the pieces after backlash and often the people writing the statements can't do anything but convey what management has decided. But if you have to deliver a message that you know won't go down well with your customer, you have to choose your words wisely and you absolutely have to take responsibility and at the very least apologise if the error is on your end. Whether it can be fixed in the customer's interest or not, the very least you can and need to do is meet them at eye level and ensure that you're being respectful of their opinion, their time and, in this case, their resources.
A while ago i completed a quest in golden and it automatically made me stay the night, taking however much it costs. I didn't take part in this choice at all, i finished a quest that i was supposed to have to do the next day, a black screen appeared, i was suddenly able to do the quest and i was missing some of my starcoins
The moment when you're early and don't know what to say
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HELLO!! ♥:D
@@YTRattle Hiii!!!!! Thank you sooo much for responding!! I absolutely love your content!! :))
@@MonaPrior ♥♥ Thank you!!!! :D
hi there! i'm not necessarily a big person in the sso community (merely just a player lol), but i've been doing a lot of deep thinking and drawn quite a few conclusions/understandings that i'd love to share/input with you (: love the content, btw!
I personally have tried to stay in some sort of grey zone when it comes to what I think about sso. I want to see the game doing good, but also give criticism on what I personally think they should change or think about. I'm not gonna lie, Unfortunately, it has been really hard to give them positive feedback, especially after the bug with the sleep to continue quest ability. Also, the "final product" the Lippizaner horse which brings back some ptsd memories to the Friesian fiasco.
I have been on both sides in this community and neither of them is good. One side that wants to see all positive, which in a way is a dream world and I wish it was all good, but can turn to an extreme toxic positivity. And the other side who brings out very good points on how the game used to more fun before and have valid criticism, but here you can fall in to the doom scrolling and nothing is good and everything they do is bad and not enjoy the slightest thing they put out.
What has been very frustrating for me as a player is sso's recent responses and actions. They literally deleted comments on their Instagram that had no type of hate or cursing in it. It was constructive criticism. With that it feeds the "sso only wants to hear positive feedback". Their first response to their players when a bug appears in the game that the players didn't know about was to blame the players.
It gets frustrating when a game you care about and wants the best for is being handled in this way and their responses to their community is like this. I personally think sso should at this point do something like what the developers behind No man's sky did (if you don't know that story I recommend watching Internet historian on that one).
Looking forward to see part 3. Your videos are always interesting to listen to 🙂
I think it's extremely important to give credit where credit is due. For every good thing SSO actually DOES do, we should give positive feedback. I think it's discouraging to devs to work hard on trying to (finally) give what players are asking for, only to be complained to. Because of that, I think if players don't show any gratitude, SSO devs will have less reason (and inspiration) to give what we ask for.
I'm not saying SSO has been doing a great job, or that I support everything they do, btw. They're a mess of a company. Bad analogy, but it's like training a dog. If you don't tell them what they're doing RIGHT, they are unlikely to understand and repeat the behavior.
Another great video Rattle, thank you! This was really interesting for me as a fairly new player. I haven't been in the SSO community long enough to have expereinced many of these disappointments, but I can see how those constant broken promises have ended up eating away the players' trust in the game. I personally am very much enjoying my time with the game, but I've experienced the disappointment too. I wasn't too happy with the Morgans (the head shape is weird), I am worried about what the Lipzzaners will end up looking like in game - both aare breeds that I like a lot and was excited about. The recent update to the riding mechanics is a double-edged sword, I love the jumping but hate the "drifting" (as someone who does SSO dressage).
All in all I think that SSO could do a lot better, especially in listening to player feedback, but they could also do a lot worse. A lot of the outcry over this update or that new horse model is pretty overblown. In the end, all of us can decide on our own if we are willing to invest our time and money in this game. If people are fed up - take a break! This will a) be better for your mental health than being enraged and disappointed all the time, and b) will act as a strike - they don't get playtime and more importantly, money, off of you when you're on a break. The SSO community is a very passionate one, so much I've learned in the short time since I've become a part of it, but that passion needs to kept in check. We absolutely should stay critical about where the game is going and voice our opinions, but we also need to remind ourselves that there are reasons we love this game, that there are positive changes too, and that there's other things in life too.
You are sooo professional...the quality you bring to us, the insites and the info makes this Videos so amazing to whach! Thank you so much!❤
*glomps* Thank you!!!!! ♥
whit the lipi i think they will do the same as with the friesian. they do change them but not the model that is for sale....
Havent watched the video yet but I already know its gonna be good as always 🙌
What I’ve enjoyed most about finding channels like yours is that I learned to take a step back to observe and actually look at the game. Something that was hard to do since I had played the game essentially since it’s first year and I was desensitised to SSO and the issues it sadly does have.
I enjoy the game, that hasn’t changed. But I have learned to recognise when something hasn’t been implemented well.
Can’t wait for part 3, always love your longer videos ❤️
About the Halloween and portals... That was the one time when broken and bugged game for FOR them instead of AGAINST them... Because the quest for collecting crystals was broken and you could basically collect and collect again and again, as long as you were able to find invisible person offering the quest. So I opened the portals pretty quickly. But if I would have to open them the way it was intended to? No way I would do that. Because as much as playing for hours and hours every day may seem fun and realistically possible to them, I have a job, I have university to attend and the way portals should work, that was not possible in time-frame realistic for vast majority of players...
Honestly, imo, this game is fucked. And it gen started with the company. SSO used to be a great game, especially when Matilda and Yula (I think that's her name) were still around, things were more in order, and events were more fun. I even met Matilda, Stacy, and the girl who designed the horses at a local equestrian center when I was younger. They were so sweet, I have no clue what happened to the girl who made the horses, but if she is still doing them, I'm highly disappointed, especially with the Friesian and upcoming Lipizzaner. I have no clue what horse she was making at the time, but it was beautiful (again, at that time.) This game has disappointed me, and will continue to. The events are not as fun as they used to be.
Speaking of events, why don't we talk about the Halloween, Christmas, and other events? They SCREWED. IT. UP. The Halloween event has been NOTHING but the same. thing. each. year. You log on, you get greeted by the stupid ghost, you go through hell, and for what? Soul shards which beyond a shadow of a doubt, are the same each. fucking. year. And what do you do with these shards? You throw them in a cauldron for a gourd pet that takes you countless hours to get along with old clothing and powders, of course! The Christmas event was even more fucked. The Winter Village was perfect the way it was, it was bright, colorful, and cheery! And what is it now? BORING. They changed everything to softer colors, and that doesn't give a Christmasy vibe. The entire thing was just disappointing. I barely played throughout the Christmas event, I logged on once. ONCE to buy 10k, and never logged on past that. I log on very scarcely. Honestly, it may be weird, but my dad used to play SSO with me. He hasn't played in ages due to being busy, and how boring the game is. He has done almost all the quests (lv. 22 I think.) while I have not (lv 21.) He logged on a day ago, and had about 1k star coins. This goes to show just how you can get bored of the game and it's shocking. What happened to Easter? Gone. No more Easter. April fools? No. You can't have April fools either. What about...St. Patrick's? Nope. No more rainbow chasing. It's disappointing that they got rid of SO MANY brilliant events, and replaced them with events with no purpose. The open house, now it's the equestrian festival? What? I remember when it was strictly an open house with a dressage arena, horses for sale (the Lippizans and the Lusitanos). That's it, and it was awesome, it was simple, it had a couple good races, and was generous with EXP for your horse, and things to buy. Now we have an Equestrian Festival with Spring Tokens, and 5,800 star coins worth of items. It's unbelievable. Valentine's day also said goodbye, and that and many other events were festive, and fun. The friendship race, the Valentine's race, you could buy the cheap valentine's clothing, that was an event to remember. And now it's gone (I think). That's my cup of tea on the events. Not everything might be correct, but this is my point of view.
On the topic of horses in the game, am I the only one who remembers when there was nothing but horses, horses, horses? There were no quests, just HORSES. Now they're getting rid of old horses, to make room for NEW HORSES? Hello? This game isn't even Star Stable, it's just Horse Stable. They went from beautiful horses that had good models and realistic-ish gates, to more expensive, half the time magic, and "pretty" horses. The horses from years ago, the generation 1 and generation 2 horses were the horse's that were used the most. Then we slowly got some pretty, genuinely good looking generation 3 horses, the Connemara, for example, was an impressive pony, it was cute, it had cute gates, and was allegedly cheap, and still is, I believe. The Pintabians and Arabians, the generation 2 Arabians/Pintabians, to be exact, were highly realistic, and honestly represented the breed in an okay way. I'm not saying they were perfect, but they were okay. Then they started updating those generation 2 horses, and making them look...a little more flimsy. Some of them, in fact, were okay. After they remade and created so many new generation 3 horses, (I'm up to present day SSO) and they began deleting old old OLD generation 1 and 2 horses. Take the Generation 1 Ahkal Tekes, which I believe they deleted, and the American Painthorses (Generation one), and they deleted them. I rushed to buy old horses that they were deleting because I didn't want to lose them, I LOVE generation ones, even though they're a little crusty LMFAO. They went from good generation 3s to now shitty ones, I.E the upcoming Lippizans. That's all I'll say there, but In my opinion, there are horse games that have much better horses, much more realistic, much more beautiful horses that you want to get, for example RDR2, Alicia Online, Tales of Rein Ravine, hell, even ROBLOX games like Banlo's World and Maple Springs Eventing. Speaking of horses, am I the only one who noticed the Finnhorses had some copy and pasted gates from the Friesian when they came out?
Currency, Star coins, Payments, Jorvik Shillings, GAHHH. I can't get enough. I hate this topic with my last fucking nerve. But I'm going to talk about it because it's an issue. Am I the only one who noticed the uprise in Star Coins? I guess inflation hit hard for Sweden, because I had to pay 100.00 USD for 10k at Christmas time. Jesus. The 10k shillings cap is a problem too, because you can't buy jackshit for 10k shillings unless you buy something cheap. If you want to buy a set, they basically promote you use Star Coins, and purposefully make the prices for cool and new items for your character or horse within 9000-10000 shillings per item. Half the time, the cheapest thing in a set is the leg wraps and bows. That's also not it, you spend over hundreds of dollars on this game for in game currency that they want you to use to buy clothes, hair, and horses. That's why there's barely double SC, I think. They really are money hungry, if you think about it. Yes, the game relies on money. Yes, inflation exists, but honestly, I remember watching your video that talked about Customer Service, and how they dealt with requested refunds, and bugs. As soon as they realize they can lose a potential customer, or as I like to call them, Money Spender, they immediately get to work on it. Because they realize "if we lose Billy, we lose his money! Oh no!" They're honestly really fucking greedy, in my opinion.
Anyways that's my ted talk, I didn't hit every point since I didn't want to drag on about it, however, this game has broken off so much from events and horses, and fucked up paying for currency (that may I add, is absolutely useless unless you're going to buy clothes, horses, or other things in the game). Their customer service got a little better, I guess, but I have no clue. Honestly, it disappoints me as a long time player of this game to see all that has happened. I honestly miss the old sso, with old updates, with better and less flimsy horses and gameplay.
the only thing I wish star stable had more quest feel like be more fun but that just me
sso is not free to play, you need to pay to play. No star rider, you can't enjoy most updates
Thank you for speaking out about the JS cap. From the moment I began playing SSO back when the servers first opened in NA, I recognized the JS cap as a manipulative means to get the player to spend money. I've spent a lot of time devising ways to slip around this cap legitimately, without using any kind of cheating or glitching at all. I wish I could teach others my methods, but I don't for fear that SSO will put a stop to perfectly legit means of "saving" JS just because they're greedy.
Always a pleasure to watch your videos, and quite a surprise that Team Fortress 2 was mentioned; it was also one of my childhood games. Let's hope both companies can get their act together.
“They don’t agree- fight.” HELP?? 😭
If you dont collect clothes, the spring festival isnt quite doing it for you.
I like the thing with the baroness, but the bonnett as a reward isnt motivating me enough tbh. I mean, its a giant, pink bonnett, which will not be useful for you at all exept for a visual upgrade of your pixel-pony.
No stats, nothing 🙈
But hey! I can level up my last 3 horses to 15 a lot quicker now with all those races that give 400 horse xp,, so I wont have any excuse for not buying another new horse 😅 which is.... prooooobably the business model of implementing those highly rewarded races in the first place
But I gotta say - I am proud of me. In these 10 years, I havent spent more than 150€ on SSO, that is 15€ a year! (I earn my own money, so its okay). I always bought SC at double SC weekends and the last 2 times, I got myself 10.000 in one shot. Havent bpught new SC in over 2 years now and still run high (but I have to admit,I used the winter bug in 2021 and still have some saddles that I can sell for expensive tack, so I dont have to buy it from StarCoins. This helped me a hecking LOT savimg up)
this may go into the broken promises and influencers part but when the community found out that sadly violet flowergarden had paseed away sso said that they want to add something into the game as a memory of her yet its been a few months now and nothings happend i see this as yet again another broken promise
It's a delicate issue they need to be in talks with the family and the family needs to mourn they can't just jump in and make something. It needs to be thoroughly planned out.
I think we should all thank you for the videos and all the information you put in them. I just found your channel and it’s really interesting to hear different SSO players and their opinions. You got a new subscriber, keep going!
And besides, I think your voice is really calming :>
(Don’t mind my grammar, I’m actually German and I’m still learning English in school, correct me if I have some spelling or grammar mistakes, thank you
Oh thank you! And no worries! I'm Afrikaans, so I don't always English so well, either XD