Same here, their vs videos really got me into looking further into the lore and stories of the eu, now my personal favorite sith aside from vader is Darth krayt.
Reti4 - It was more likely the others that got you started and not myself, but on behalf of them you are most sincerely welcome. Enthusing with old and new fans of the different franchises we love is the best part of doing what we do.
After seeing the whole trilogy, from start to finish, letting them fully embrace their creative freedom and everything, I can't help but wonder... This is what we lost the Expanded Universe for?!
I remember people using Dark Empire as a reason why the EU was better removed. Well we got the JJ take, and I'd take Luuke, Grand Master Luke and Mara Jade over Rey and Kylo
The Last Jedi if I recall takes place within 18 hours because I am pretty sure they established that they only had 18 hours worth of fuel to out run the First Order. So she had almost no time with Luke.
@@commandershepardmessiah3345 She says as she and her twisted disciples plagiarize the source material. And I too like Dark Empire. If I could add Luke's darkside costume in a star wars game I'd do it in a heartbeat.
So, the nail in the proverbial coffin has arrived. What a shitshow this trilogy was..... And we ended on a rushed, desperate, retcon marathon of poor fanservice and plot asspulls.
SolarDragon007 Phantom Menace is beating up the Disney trilogy (I’ll die before I call it the Sequels ever again) in a dark alley with Maul and Qui Gon.
The Force Awakens: An out of touch corporate executives idea of what people liked about Star Wars. The Last Jedi: The movie you'd get if your annoying kid sister, who hates Star Wars, made a Star Wars movie. The Rise of Skywalker: A compilation of every bad Star Wars fan fiction thrown into a blender.
Yup. I Have the same take pretty much. I think TLJ was a contrarian's tale. And the good version of that was KotOR 2. TLJ was daring and a at least intentionally different, but it was still a disaster. But I'd take a ballsy misfire at something new over Rise of Skywalker which I found really truly embarrassing
Nicolas Charron - Legend of Remnant Canon is dead! All hail the superior form of Star Wars, The expanded universe! Cut to chanting of everyone saying all hail the EU in a similar manner as the dark side ending of Kotor.
Nicolas Charron - Legend of Remnant you know, now more than ever before I am fascinated in what Disney is going to do next. Will they do a trilogy on Rey or just let The past die?
@@calisurfin not to mention there all in different time zones reti4 lives in the UK antione grey Jedi and Evan all live in California and Jensarri 1 lives in Canada
I feel like a lot of people are now glorifying the Legacy of the Force books and Darth Caedus as "the sequels done right" when those had some serious issues, from authors not working together, to rushed developments and plot-induced stupidity. (Jacen was honestly to smart and knowledgeable a character to fall as easily and uncritically as he did) With feats being generally scaled back after the Vong books, despite everyone being stated to have grown in power, to the point where Alema Ra and Aurra Sing can pick fights with Luke and Caedus and get away from it. Luke and Leia/Han lying to each other over relatively minor political incidents, even at the start of the series and in general all the effects of the years of previous intense war, including the existential one against the Vong are extremely downplayed, so that we can have a new conflict again.
Thank you for recording and making this review chaps ! Been hoping you would and after working every day apart from Christmas Day over the holiday period, this was a welcome distraction !
They said that Antoine refuses to acknowledge the film’s existence though I agree with Jensarai1. I really want him to nerd rage rant all over this film
These movies did the impossible for me. They made me not give a shit about star wars. I pretty much just watched the rise of skywalker out of obligation.
Interestingly the movie did the opposite for me. Because of how bad it was it rejuvenated my interest and love for the Originals & Prequels. It makes me want to unearth my old fanfiction to write a better more universe friendly story.
@@Jomama24200 bro I was like 99 percent ready to channel pat mahomes and whip my phone and cup at the screen. At the end when she said skywalker I said wtf so loud 😂😂
A shame there is no Jensaarai1 or Antoine but Ive been waiting since I saw the movie last week for this video to come out. Hope everyone has a great New Years! Thank you so much for posting this! Edit: OMG you guys are so done with this and its hilarious. When is the Holliday Special review coming out?
Most of the EU was much better. Also, I love how Grey Jedi 91's diatribe about this film and trilogy in general. He makes it so entertaining, more so than the Sequel Trilogy in general.
What bothered me about the x-wing scene was that 1. it still worked, and 2. she jumped through hyperspace and did all this crazy navigation with no astromech. And how did kylo get to exogol in a stock empire era tie?
The X wing working simply raises the question of why Luke chose to astral project an illusion of himself and die in the process instead of simply flying to Krait. Its poor storytelling in an attempt to tug at nostalgia.
I thought Luke had used part of the wing from the X-Wing for the front door on his hut in TLJ. Chewie smashed it in. How did it fly, with a piece of the wing missing? Obviously Rey doesn’t need an astromech, there is literally nothing she can’t do in these movies it seems.
As for Kylo’s TIE it probably got carried through hyperspace on a class 0.5 plot armour. It should have been one of the Royal Guard’s TIE interceptors (at least then it’s more easy to believe that their models were custom equipped with a hyperdrive). Or better still, have Kylo fly Vader’s TIE Advanced x1 to Exegol.
The garbage fire the new trilogy has been has me pinning for Dark Forces (both the novels and the games) to be recanonized. I felt more investment in Kyle Katarn because of his character arc and struggle with his dark side. He was a maverick whom brushed against the typical Jedi Guardian archetype. Rey does not earn her power; it is handed to her on a silver platter. Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade, Grandmaster Luke, Lumiya, and even Krayt EARNED their power through time and diligence. Rey should have been incapable of almost every force feat she exhibits because of the physical and mental discipline they require. (Grunt) Rogue One and The Mandalorian are the only good properties from Disney at this point as far as I am concerned.
@@DanieleMulas-up7np My brother actually enjoys the new trilogy and new EU, which I struggle to understand why. He shared with me a video, via Facebook, that was Freddie Prinze Jr. (the actor who played Kanan Jarrus in Rebels) actively cussing out all the fans who hated the plot holes and lore breaking of the Star Wars franchise under Disney. As you can imagine, he quickly lost any respect I had for him as an actor because, when the audience finds fault in the art, you do not attack them for doing so. At that point, you have gone from professional, to outright bully to audiences and critics alike. Yes, toxic fandoms exists in Star Wars, as they do in all franchises. This is, however, more a case of them undermining the rules and writing of the franchise, and then telling us we are wrong if we do not like it. When you take up a franchise, it is your responsibility to uphold the integrity of its rules and lore, as has been shown, otherwise you are not expanding it, or improving on past works; you are actively undermining it.
@@TheMeditatingRaven As in new EU, you mean the new supplemental garbage like Phasma, Bloodline, the Marvel comics ? I agree, how the hell can you be invested in trivial, self-contained, inconsequential trash ? The Vader comics that everyone oh so praise are mediocre at best. Sith stealing crystals from Jedi and making them bleed ? Lord Momin a.k.a. discount Exar Kun/Vitiate ? Jocasta Nu going on a solo undercover mission ? WTF ???? As for the Freddie Prinze Jr. drama, that only re-enforces how ASS BACKWARDS the clowns at Lucasfilms are. Ironically, he played the best character in Rebels, but then acts like an overly emotional bitch in real life. In order to enjoy a long standing franchise such as Star Wars, you NEED consistency and set internal logic. Otherwise, you might as well turn it into Bayformers. Seriously, the desperation they have as they still cling to the EU (naming Sith Trooper batallions after EU Sith Lords, referencing Tales Of The Jedi in Solo on the visual dictionary) while at the same time disregarding it, is just insulting....
Another question: Could perhaps C-3PO’s block on translating Sith was set in place by the Imperial Senate? Palpatine might’ve wanted to keep a cap on the arcane and Sith knowledge so he keeps a monopoly on it. Thanks!
I'd love to see you guys discuss New Jedi Order and on, given the ups and downs of the saga, and maybe even the Heir to the Empire trilogy. Great stuff, always excited to watch!
What’s with all this Dark Empire hate? Dark Empire is fantastic! This whole idea that Palpatine coming back undermines Vader’s sacrifice is never explained. How? I don’t see how Palpatine rallying the Imperial Remnant is any different from Thrawn doing it. Please someone explain to me why Dark Empire is bad. I will discuss in good faith.
Happy to hear star wars isn't dead for you guys. As much as I enjoyed the first 2 movies in this trilogy I can understand the loss of faith many fans have over the franchise. Maybe its cause I will allways look at parts of the EU as canon where as I look at these movies as a what if. Series.idk just happy y'all will continue to talk star wars
But to be honest I think 7 already had ruined it, because that in itself with the first order meant Anakin didnt bring balance to the force. Palpatine is representative of the evil of the force he is not all of it. So even if Snoke wasnt Palpatine, that already ruined Anakins arc.
In curious to see what other star wars projects you guys have in the works. Still looking forward to your review of Dark lord rise of Darth Vader as well as other projects. Keep up the good work guys love your work.
I enjoyed the movie for what it was but when you compare it to the expanded universe it pales in comparison. I've basically just accepted that from the films we got there are a few good elements like Kylo Ren but at the end of the day they are gonna be mediocre casual fan pleasers. Watching it with as low expectations as I had, I enjoyed it even though it was a nonsensical mess that goes against pre-established lore.
Also I only ever felt anger or apathy for the character deaths. With the Chewie fake out, half of my mind was full of anger while the other half was deciding if this was worse than his death in Legends by having a moon yeeted into the planet he's on. And now Force Heal can now be used as a definitive cure for death...
Not sure if any of you are Warcraft fans (I’m a casual fan of the lore), but who do you think would win in a versus match between Asajj Ventress (Legends) and Lady Sylvanas?
Its so great to finally get to hear Analysis's review of this film. As for my opinion of the film, it was terrible. The plot was rushing from one place to the next, forgettable characters, and having no road map for the end result. I will say however that it was great seeing Ian Mcdiarmid, even though he wasn't given much to do. Especially gratifying was the send off Leia was given, I honestly didn't think they could pull it off. Finally, Disney Star Wars at least tried to be original in this film, which I appreciate, even if they fail at it. As big a Star Wars fan as I am, I honestly feel that Kathleen Kennedy was really the real problem for this trilogy. Allowing J J Abrams to copy episode 4 beat for beat, allowing Ryan Johnson to make his own movie and ignore J J Abrams movie, and firing the original episode 9 director Colin Trevor. On top of that, she seems to be sexist towards men, fired multiple directors and seems to use the Star Wars movies to promote her own political ideologies by making them appear more appealing to girls then telling an actual story. I still can’t believe she approved of everything Ryan Johnson did, and the fact that they have most of this movie clean up his mess just shows how bad her leadership is. In fact I honestly believe that this trilogy was a waste of literally everyone’s time and DOES NOT NEED TO EXIST!!!!!! In fact if I could change one thing about Disney Star Wars it would be to not have them reset the EU, as those stories deserve to be told and this fanfiction trilogy needs to be forgotten. The only good thing this trilogy did was that it allowed people to see the Prequels in a better light, as they were under the guide of Lucas himself and had an idea of where they wanted to go. To those that enjoy the Disney trilogy, that’s great, and I’m happy you can find joy in something I can’t and I appreciate you letting me rant. :) Since you guys wrapped up this trilogy beautifully, do you know when you'll review both the Prequel and Original Trilogies? Really excited to hear your thoughts on the true saga.
While I'm in love with The Last Jedi and believe Rian Johnson had no real fault in this, I agree with the rest of what you've said. Kennedy is the soul issue here. She's politically driven and seems to only care about her vision being promoted. P.S: Also Trevorrow's script just got leaked and it's loads better than this mess of a movie.
Tijain Jyunichi I want to stress very very much that I’m just asking this out of pure 100% curiosity, but how come you believe that Rian Johnson isn’t at fault for the last Jedi? I’m only asking because according to Daisy Ridley Johnson didn’t keep any of episode 7 script and pretended like the last movie never happened effectively writing J J Abrams into a corner. Please believe me when I say I’m in no way trying to say that your wrong for enjoying the last Jedi after all everybody‘s opinion is different and the world would be boring if we were all the same. :)
@@michaelkarimian7538 No, it's cool. I didn't word my intention correctly. Me saying Rian "had no real fault in this" I meant that he's not to blame AS MUCH as people keep claiming. He's an independent person and could have done things differently, I agree. But, the narrative going around is that Abrams had a roadmap & draft for all 3 movies and then Rian just came around and threw *everything* out. I have a hard time believing that because 1.) Johnson did answer and stay in line with what was set up, he just did it in a way people don't like (IMO). 2.) Why on Earth would Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm accept him doing that? I believe that some things would change but the whole damn thing? Either the material they did have planned wasn't concrete enough, they didn't even have a plan, or they didn't care. The interview with Ridely is worth looking at but I have a couple issues with it. One: she says she *thinks* she knows. And the other being that she's under contract. I doubt they'd allow her going around saying anything of the opposite. Every Johnson interview leading up to the filming of TLJ and many articles published around that time, say Johnson was given a blank slate and had no overarching path to follow. If Abrams did have something, it wasn't enforced or encouraged.
@@Tijjain can I ask why you liked last Jedi (not trying to be an ass jus curious). because I think it spits in the face of all Luke and the original trilogy stood for it’d be nice to have civil discourse
@@devontaelafleur3841 TL;DR: I like the move because it invokes a sense of wonder and mystery in me that I felt when first watching the franchise. The Force is a big part of it because it's loose and undefined. It's something the characters don't simply control or use. The Force is almost a character in of its itself. The characters are the other part of it. TLJ is one giant revelation for each one. With Luke, he goes from falling from grace to a cranking depressed man who couldn't prevent the destruction of what he's worked for his entire life. But he comes back by sacrificing himself to save the fighters of the Resistance. He gives (should've given) them and the galaxy the hope they need to keep the fight. With Kylo he decides to reject the idealistic greatness that he wants to desperately achieve. He decides to carve his own path and rebuild the galaxy in his image. With Rey, she finally comes to terms with reality: that she's no one. Like Kylo she was so desperate for something more, that that's all she cared about. So when she finds out, she has to put aside and accept that it doesn't matter. She still has a role regardless of her lineage. And Finn finally realizes the importance of fighting for more than yourself and your friends. It's about fighting for what's right----even if you die trying. When it comes to The Last Jedi, I'd say it's one of the few movies in the franchise that truly made me feel like I was stepping into something new. And by new, I just mean that the things that happen in this movie captured my curiosity and wonder that I first felt when getting introduced to Star Wars. The biggest contributor to that is the Force. *The Force.* I love the Force in this movie! It one of the few that explores the side of it that few or anyone one really knows what's going on. Rey's cave experience, her and Kylo's Bonds, Luke's projection, etc. It all reminds me of the dread and mystery of Luke's cave scene and Anakin's dreams for example. Especially with the first two, the Force in this movie is surreal and wonderous. You (or at least I) don't know what's happening. But not in a bad way. I want to know more, investigate, and learn. This isn't me saying I hate or dislike the basic stuff we know about the Force (push, jump, telekinesis, etc.), but I like how this movie made it more than something that the Sith and Jedi use. Characters - *Luke.* I'll start with him since that seems to be the biggest issue people have. I just want to say that I think this is the best-case scenario with the setup in TFA. Abrams is the one who decided that Luke would be in seclusion. I've been grappling with how this would fit his character. If Luke was on Ahch-to because that he was hiding from Ren or Snoke that would've made him cowered. Much worse than what we got IMO. I see Luke's mistake much like I see nightmares for instance. What I mean by this, is that many people see Luke turning on his lightsaber after seeing the destruction as the intent to kill and JUST that. I think it's more complex. What I mean by nightmares is that no matter how calm, cool, and collected one is, everyone has instinctual reactions to distress and loss. The Force is a powerful thing. I don't think Luke's visions can be compared to watching something on TV. He's literally taping into the future and seeing all he built and loved destroyed. He's very much living the experience. Him turning on his lightsaber (much like he says) was a fleeting moment of weakness. Luke was having a nightmare and he woke up. The unfortunate part is that Kylo woke up to the sound of Luke's instinct and saw betrayal. IMO when you put the context of Luke's accomplishments with this, it's a crushing defeat for him. This is the Jedi who redeemed Darth Vader, the biggest bad in the galaxy, his father. The weight of the galaxy was on his sounders but he did it. And then he had to rebuild, fighting off the rest of the Empire and raising a better and wiser generation of Jedi. But the Kylo vision shows him failure and destruction. I've no doubt that Luke wanted to help and would've helped Kylo. This was just a prime example of "wrong place wrong time." Luke even says it in the movie about becoming a legend and the pressure of it all. But TLJ brings him back. When the entire Resistance is cornered on Crete he returns. Luke's decided that he's not going to let the past dictate him anymore, so he steps out to look Kylo in the eye. What's amazing is that he wins on all fronts. For one, he doesn't need to actually fight. He toys with Kylo like he's a raged filled child. Outsmarting him by being a Force Projection (which is badass). The other ways are that he gets the Resistance to escape and sparks the galaxy to fight again. The latter in particular **would've been** an excellent thing to continue in IX. We see those kids on Canto Bight reenacting the events of Crete. Luke's return has spread through the galaxy giving them all hope. All of this without killing anyone and sacrificing himself. It reminds me of when he threw away his lightsaber in RotJ. He chooses to reject violence and Sidious' manipultion. That is Luke to me. *Kylo.* He's actually my favorite character out of Sequels. Him as a villain is one of the best aspects for me. I love how he's an unhinged maniac. All the other villains in SW are these sophisticated, experienced, and wise characters. With the possible exception of Grievous, but you can't argue that he's not experienced or intelligent at least. And I'm not saying I dislike that, just it is nice to have this for once. Kylo's entire deal is wanting to live up to his families' names. A Skywalker and Solo in one. He's desperate to fulfill their greatness and match Vader. But in this movie after all the pain, trials, teachings, and disapproval from those around him he finally says: "fuck it, I'm going to make my own destiny, I'm going to be my own person." Which I way I love Snoke's death. Kylo thought he found someone who could help him achieve the greatness he's been searching for after Luke "betrayed" him. But Snoke has done nothing but criticize and make fun of him. If anything, he seems more interested in Rey. So when Kylo said he wants to kill it all "the Jedi, the Sith, all of it." It's the icing on the cake. He's finally seeing what's wrong with it all. The endless conflict. Which, again, *would've* been an excellent plot point for IX. A Kylo going on a full rampage throughout the galaxy with all the resources of the First Order. *Rey.* So admittedly, she is a mixed bag in this movie and overall. I love the concept of her character but don't like key decisions they take with her. I don't like how limited her training actually was for example. I won't go into much of that since It's pretty obvious. But her character in TLJ is something I truly enjoy. Rey is a naive and idealistic person who, like Kylo, is desperate to be a part of something. She wants to come from greatness. But when she finds out the truth, it's a crushing revelation for her character. She's nothing and has nothing. And I think this is why she works so well with, and against, Kylo. Her Bonds with him are great because she finds in him the only person who understands her emptiness and confusion. They both want greatness but both end up with different conclusions. Where Kylo wants to burn it all because he's lost faith, Rey says I still have a reason to fight. *Finn.* I'm probably an outlier even among fans when I say I like Canto Bight. An issue I have with it, however, is just how too Earth-like it feels. The costume design looks more like high-fashion than Star Wars. But anyway, Finn's character in this arc is pretty enjoyable to me. In TFA he goes from only caring about himself to caring about Rey. In the TLJ he goes from only caring about Himself and Rey to caring about the Resistance. The first words he says are literally "Where's Rey." And "rebel scum" after defeating Phasma is him accepting his place in the story, accepting that he's going to fight for a bigger cause. Which is what Rose and DJ represent. Those two opposing sides of his motivations and he rejects the self-serving DJ way because now he understands how it affects people. In the end, Finn was willing to sacrifice himself to save anyone. Something I do dislike: Rose saving him. Would've been a great end to a character arc and put some weight on the stakes. There are other things I like (the costumes, the cinematography, the music, set design, other character intricacies, etc.) but this is too long already. So these are the main stuff I enjoy.
Will you guys ever consider covering The Mandalorian or Jedi Fallen Order ? Out of Disney Star Wars, right now these are probably the best we're getting, including the Dark Temple tie-in comics.
Regarding the waste of R2, I think I have heard somewhere that Lucas still holds most, or at least some of the merchandising rights to his original characters. That would certainly explain a lot when it comes to their general treatment in this trilogy. Also love to see you guys being back on some Star Wars content. You are the reason my appreciation for Star Wars and the EU in particular went up to new hights back pre Episode 7. Which funilly enough made watching that movie feel even more like a slap to the face for me... :,)
The licensing issues makes so much sense...it's really the only thing that does make sense. I don't know if that's true, but I can believe it. And I'm sorry the movie hurts more after getting familiar with the EU through our material, but at the same time, glad to have you aboard an as a fellow fan of the material we so enjoy.
I am looking forward to the review of "The Mandalorian" by you guys and what are your thoughts on the rumors that Favreau might be taking a bigger role in Lucasfilm and Star Wars?
There was a moment in this movie when Dominic Monaghan looks sadly at the camera and I looked at my friend and said "Pip, I knew you would find me." and we both interrupted the movie laughing our asses off. And that was the best part of the movie for me.
Luminara Unduli, Aayla Secura, Adi Gallia, Ahsoka Tano, and Mace Windu shouldn't have been there, they never became Force Ghosts. Not even Disney can convince me they did. XD
The only Jedi we should have seen/heard were Luke, Leia, Anakin, Yoda, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon: the Skywalkers because they are Skywalkers and the others who learned the ability thanks to Qui-Gon Jinn. Ahsoka maybe, but definitely not the Jedi who died during Order 66.
Are you guys still open to reviewing the Disney canon Star Wars novels? If so then I hope you review "Master and Apprentice" by Claudia Gray because I have heard good things about the book and I would to hear your opinions on how it handles the character of Qui Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Personally, that is one of the few canon novels that I have actually read. Personally, I didn't care for it, but I still recognize Claudia Gray's talent and I consider the book reasonably well written. But what it does with the Jedi approach to prophecy, the changes to Dooku's biography and the entire character of Aveross bothered me. But then, I am of course primarily a Legends fan. Some day I'll talk about that book, either on my own, or after the others have read it if the care to.
March of the Resistance is one original music from Force Awakens that appears in this movie as well. It is really the only solid new Williams score in these movies that i really like. Also, I would have been onboard with duel of the fates being played at Rey and Kylos tussle on the moon of Endor. It would have at least kept me awake ;-)
Your video was a lot more interesting than the movie I’m surprised no one mentioned how fast the movie goes by at the beginning or the hyperspace skipping but I guess jen will cover that. Also do you guys believe in the rumor about the Lucas cut existing.
Yes! I’ve been looking forward to this video. A shame Antoine and Jensarai1 aren’t on board. Regardless, I look forward to hearing your take on the movie. :)
Maul Lockdown is a novel I’d love to hear the councils opinion on. It’s debatably the closest thing to an R rated Star Wars tale we’ve gotten. People and alien monsters being murdered in mass, gore to rival the hellraiser franchise, a disgusting telepathic worm monster, and brutal gladiator style deaths worthy of Hollywood. The book has Excellent fight scences, Maul is engaging as always, and a simple but well executed plot with fun B characters. This is a good book that shows that Apprentice Darth Maul had leadership and strategic skills despite his sith brainwashing . While I appreciate that Antoine doesn’t like the idea of the Wampa fight, there are three things I feel need to be addressed. 1. Maul is in the pinnacle of physical perfection ( his strength/reflexes/stamina/agility are Olympic level without the force) even without the force in combat, Maul still had his force enhanced senses and reflexes and has unique physical traits ( cranial horns and naturally higher pain tolerance.) that Luke lacked during his wampa fight in empire strikes back. 2. Even taking into account that the wampa ambushed Luke and Luke was hurt during the brief fight, Luke had little training and had spent three years learning by himself about the force. ( and receivingbasic combat training from the rebels of course )Maul has been training in combat literally since he was a toddler and was a master combatant with and without the force to a level few could match during his fight with a wampa.( this is literally a few weeks before Phantom menace) and 3. This wampa wasn’t in peak condition and was being controlled to attack even when it didn’t want to, so it was even less rational and couldn’t rely on its instincts like the species usually did. All this kept the two fights from being even remotely similar and wasn’t that unbelievable.( well , as much as a space odyssey about laser sword wielding wizards could be believable.) I hope the council enjoyed the novel and desperately want you to review this excellent book. And Master and apprentice with Quigon and Obi Wan released last year. And the novelization of STOR Star Wars Decieved. And TCW Season 7. I hope to hear the council’s thoughts on all of these and look forward to hearing more from the group.
Glad to see you guys came back to roast this garbage fire. Best of luck to Jensaarai1 as well. Hope to see you guys make more MCU videos or at least review The Mandalorian. BTW- I do like the Prequels and Dark Empire. I enjoy the prequels for the world building, music, and lightsaber duels. Over choreographed duels, bad dialogue, and pacing issues don't affect me like it does for others. Dark Empire despite being as goofy as it is, I enjoy the more stylized neo gothic art, Palpatine even at his hammiest is always entertaining to read, and Luke's surreal journey in and out of the dark side. I am sure I will get a lot of flack for it, but to me the truly bad Star Wars stories are the ones that are boring and uninteresting, *Cough cough Cloak of Deception
Good review guys. I hope you guys do get to play Fallen Order, it's a fun game. And a review of Mando eventually as well. Love to hear your guys opinions
Man... it's kind of disheartening to see that this was the last video on this channel to discuss anything related to Star Wars, which leads me to believe that the current state of the franchise has killed any interest in discussing Star Wars at all. Such a shame. I loved this channel's insights on the EU.
And they took at least 2 ideas from Robot Chicken Palpatine... My Face is on Fire: "If you had made up your mind 5 seconds earlier, we could have ruled the galaxy and maybe I could have gotten laid one more time before I died!" Palpatine's Last Moments: "You know, looking back it all makes sense. Dream big, live big, love big... fall to your death down a giant f***ing hole. Now I know, which is exactly 0% of the battle apparently." "Oh, you stuck around, great, you didn't miss the visual treat of my frozen corpse floating naked in the vacuum. Just what mamma Palpatine dreamed, sorry ma. Anyway, if you stuck around this long you probably want some final words of wisdom so listen close. F*** YOU!"
I never buy the fact that Leia its a military general she should be a politician that its very good at aggresive negociations like her father and mother
Definitely cover fallen order, had a chance to play through that & i was impressed. I thought the main character didnt amount to much or get nearly as strong as you would have with someone like starkiller or katarn but it at least gives us an interesting new character
You guys are always the best. You’re saying what we’re all thinking in the theater. I’ll admit the fan service was shameful and that’s why the more basic part of me loved it, but as a whole the film is a mess. The pacing was super jarring. They tried for too much and a new story when it should be the conclusion. I’ll admit that Rey is a Mary Sue most of the time in comparison to Luke Skywalker at least, but there are both Luke and Anakin were also prodigies once they opened up to learning. I think the reason that Rey’s power has is so jarring is that she wasn’t trained by a “professional” as Leia is great but a diplomat at heart. And Rey’s powers are much flashier and “advanced” looking. I’ll never get over how you on target and hilarious you guys are. Thank you Greyjedi for bringing up how divided we’ve all become and advocating for temperance/respect. A question I had: Why would Palpatine announce his return and plan when he had the perfect set up for a surprise attack? Been watching your content for years and I do agree that their attempt to bring in new Force abilities was admirable and a nice call to the EU that they obliterated. May the Force be with You.
I think the main problem with this movie was simply no connective tissue between any of the movies. simply put while I think it was still a mess and not a lot of reason for it, if their had been an overarching plot and theme from the get go a lot of the issues would have been soothed out or at least a lot LESS worse then what we got. that was an issue so easily preventable that it offends me a lot more then all the other issues in world building dynamics, power scale issues, character development, and all the same old retreads from before. like that is just honest issues of them trying and failing at some things but succeeding at others. also you burned down the Expanded Universe for THIS? REALLY? I liked this one better then the last jedi at least.
There was way more than one clone body in Dark Empire and it's continuations. Dialogue from Palpatine when meeting with Luke implies that the body that he had when he first met Luke was also a clone body if I recall correctly. Whatever the case may be though there was still the spiritual transference that Palpatine was very clearly doing throughout the storyline, so there's literally no need for the clone to be a completely separate character who just happens to know how to transfer his soul into new bodies when needed. Then again, Dark Empire featured a lot of stuff that was very questionable. The fact that nobody calls out that the World Devastators were very clearly not "more powerful than the Death Star" is something that people should have noticed when reading said comics.
@@sonic8005 Yes, I'm aware Palpatine was using essence transfer before and after Return of the Jedi. That doesn't mean one of his clones couldn't have gone rogue after his death. I think the fact that no one mentions the World Devastators when talking about superweapons is enough assume that they are not as powerful as the death stars.
@@bluehero-96A rogue clone of Palpatine would have made an interesting antagonist though but Dark Empire literally demonstrated the transferring of Palpatine's spirit into more than one body through the comics. But the idea of a rogue clone of him in the way of C'Baoth would've been kinda cool for a separate story if you ask me. Yeah, it does seem they got ignored later on when mentioning the mass superweapons, but the Galaxy Gun from Dark Empire 2 does indeed take precedence and get mentioned in books taking place down the road.
This entire sequal trilogy is a mess overall but if we're going to have essence transfer be a thing (even if its never actually explained in the film) then why wouldn't they have snoke be the one who can do it? We even had other snoke clones shown in the film. Why disregard an original villain who needed expanding upon and people were intrigued about and instead bring Palpatine back aside from a blatant attempt to pander in the vain hope people would forget about the last jedi. Its just shoddy damage control and the lack of any planning.
Hey guys, I’m a big EU fan, hated TFA and TLJ (the worst SW film ever), but I actually ended up enjoying this film. To me, it makes good on all the wrongs committed by TLJ (when Luke’s character comes back as we know him and actually encourages Rey) and connects everything I didn’t like about TFA with a broader “full circle” type of idea. I’m already writing too much, there’s so much to say, but in conclusion I like Abrahm’s vision, but could do without Ryan Johnson.
What I think it is it does twist after twist and flashiness preventing you from questioning it giving the illusion of coherency, and being good else I don't know why I liked it since I love the EU.
Can't wait to see Connor back in full force. The saddest part is the cool discussions in the comment sections are now gone, but hey, at least all the videos are saved. :)
Finn’s secret is that he’s Force sensitive. That’s it, that’s all he was trying to tell Rey the whole time. Was disappointed not to get a discussion on Rey’s seemingly well adjusted parents, (a child of Palpatine), selling her to slavery for her own good.
This movie was so bad and nonsensical that it breaks the canon and actively hurts the star wars legacy We threw out the expanded universe from a press release, can we as the fans just consider this disney star wars era non canon and move on? Cant wait for season two of the Mandalorian tho
I’ve been considering everything from Disney Star Wars to be an alternate universe. As far as I’m concerned the true Star Wars canon is the original trilogy, the dark horse comics and the EU. (The novel versions of the prequels are better.)
I just want to see Disney tell EA to make a direct remaster of KOTOR (similar to the Halo Anniversaries) and just slap the Canon label on it even though I know it won't happen.
Okay so! I had about the lowest expectations for this film that i've ever had. Even so... i was hoping for at least some fun action? A pretty lightshow? I super agree with you guys about how awful the worldbuilding and thought process behind the final ship battle is. For me what's even bigger is even in terms of being a popcorn flick there was nothing to it! There's.... at the most like a minute of dogfighting? And once the galaxy fleet arrives, i don't think we see like a single capital ship engaged with a star destroyer. after that fleet gets there again at most we see like maybe twenty seconds of fighting. Like that was the worst, shortest space battle of the saga right? At least of anything i can remember and this is supposed to be the big final fight against the sith!
I'd just add a post credit's scene where George Lucas just wakes up from a nightmare. It's all just a bad dream.... it's not a part of canon. it's fine
Bro I know this might be out of date but can you guys do a video for those of us really interested in star wars new jedi order but with no clue of where to start. Bro that would be huge.
It's a tad before the new jedi order but the Thrawn trilogy is a must read series and it sets up things that will become important for the new jedi order down the line
As uninspiring as it is they should’ve just adapted the thrawn trilogy, or something along those lines. On another not have any of you had the chance to listen to the dooku Jedi lost audio book?
I’m honestly curious as to what the post-TROS EU is going to be like. I haven’t given a shit about this trilogy since 2015 but I still see potential for the story group to make some decent stories now that the Sequel trilogy isn’t a concern.
You guys are the reason I started to get in too the Eu and I want to thank you for that.
Absolutely true! Their video on Palpatine and who could possibly beat him was a key start to my EU interest.
Same here, their vs videos really got me into looking further into the lore and stories of the eu, now my personal favorite sith aside from vader is Darth krayt.
Reti4 - It was more likely the others that got you started and not myself, but on behalf of them you are most sincerely welcome. Enthusing with old and new fans of the different franchises we love is the best part of doing what we do.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen they failed at identifying who would beat him - Rey Skywalker
@@fryliver4953 True, I suppose. As a medium for all jedi combined.
“I’ve been looking forward to this.”
~ count dooku
After seeing the whole trilogy, from start to finish, letting them fully embrace their creative freedom and everything, I can't help but wonder...
This is what we lost the Expanded Universe for?!
Sadly yes
You are my favorite comment in this section.
I've been saying this for such a long time. Disney didn't even fucking try with their new "canon".
Brilliantly well-written good sir
@@DarthCindros I know right? It's stupid things like Bleeding Sith Crystals that make me go WTF?
I remember people using Dark Empire as a reason why the EU was better removed. Well we got the JJ take, and I'd take Luuke, Grand Master Luke and Mara Jade over Rey and Kylo
"A meatbag will surely pay." - HK-47
Imagine Jacen Solo instead of Ben
kylo ren was just jacen solo
@@CielBlanche A shit version maybe.
Ciel An asinine cocktail of Ben Skywalker, Jacen Solo, and Darth Revan.
The thing I was looking forward to the most was Jensaarai ranting about this film and Antoine breaking down after defending Force Awakens.
Me too man. Me too. I can't wait to see Jen bring out his suppressed Nerd-Rage Ranter.
Now you will experience the full power of the Nerd Rage Ranter!
@@snekyboi2100 Oh, I'm afraid this Nerd Rage Ranter is quite operational.
Honestly came for that as well.
The Last Jedi if I recall takes place within 18 hours because I am pretty sure they established that they only had 18 hours worth of fuel to out run the First Order. So she had almost no time with Luke.
The prequels is good story told poorly, the sequels is a poor story shown nicely...
This sums up my feelings perfectly
I’m gonna use that.
This film was basically Dark Empire but worse
So much worse.
Exogol = Byss and Dromund Kaas
Final Order = Operation Shadow Hand
Knights of Ren = Dark Side Elite
They literally didn't even try.....
Just giving us the discount versions of the old EU. And Kathleen Kennedy had the nerve to say "there isn't source material"
@@commandershepardmessiah3345 And I LIKE Dark Empire. And that's saying something.
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She says as she and her twisted disciples plagiarize the source material.
And I too like Dark Empire. If I could add Luke's darkside costume in a star wars game I'd do it in a heartbeat.
It's an inferior ripoff of one of the bad EU stories. My God has Star Wars fallen
So, the nail in the proverbial coffin has arrived. What a shitshow this trilogy was.....
And we ended on a rushed, desperate, retcon marathon of poor fanservice and plot asspulls.
There was no greater responsibility than potential. And they squandered it.
I don’t know about you guys but in my opinion Return of the Jedi is a superior ending to the Skywalker saga
But still legacy all the way I mean just for the films so Caedus and Krayt for the win
Return of the Jedi makes the Sequel Trilogy look like a pile of dogshit.
Is this even in question?
SolarDragon007
Phantom Menace is beating up the Disney trilogy (I’ll die before I call it the Sequels ever again) in a dark alley with Maul and Qui Gon.
I’m not gonna lie. The scene where Rey ignited her lightsaber and Poe turned on his flashlight was funny
“Compensating?”
“For what?”
“Regeneration, it’s a lottery-“
The Last Skywalker Awakens and Strikes Back for Revenge!
You guys don't give this enough credit for being an absolutely amazing homage to Spaceballs.
Reti4 - Haha
I think it's genius that Abrams made a Star Wars parody, but didn't advertise it as a parody, just to see if the audience would notice.
The film by itself is bad enough, but this trilogy has been fucked from the start so it didn’t really have a chance. World building=out the window
They had so much potential... And the worst part is that I have friends who defend this crap.
"It holds your attention. But so is getting punched in the face." - EvanNova95
Reti4 - He's not wrong. :)
I know I am pretty off topic but do anyone know a good website to watch newly released tv shows online ?
@Aldo Gannon lately I have been using Flixzone. You can find it by googling =)
@Adrien Everett Yea, have been using Flixzone for since april myself :)
@Adrien Everett thanks, I signed up and it seems to work :) I really appreciate it !
The Force Awakens: An out of touch corporate executives idea of what people liked about Star Wars.
The Last Jedi: The movie you'd get if your annoying kid sister, who hates Star Wars, made a Star Wars movie.
The Rise of Skywalker: A compilation of every bad Star Wars fan fiction thrown into a blender.
Yup. I Have the same take pretty much. I think TLJ was a contrarian's tale. And the good version of that was KotOR 2. TLJ was daring and a at least intentionally different, but it was still a disaster. But I'd take a ballsy misfire at something new over Rise of Skywalker which I found really truly embarrassing
There is only one good thing that came out of these movies.
My introduction to you guys. And therefor my connection to the old EU.
Thank You.
Nicolas Charron - Legend of Remnant Canon is dead! All hail the superior form of Star Wars, The expanded universe!
Cut to chanting of everyone saying all hail the EU in a similar manner as the dark side ending of Kotor.
@@snekyboi2100 Yeah, pretty much. They had all this lore, but they decided to retcon it just so then JJ could have a blank slate
Nicolas Charron - Legend of Remnant you know, now more than ever before I am fascinated in what Disney is going to do next. Will they do a trilogy on Rey or just let The past die?
@@snekyboi2100 We'll have to wait and see.
Damn it guys I swear you guys disappear from the Internet alot
Dread Dark I’m sure it’s scheduling, since they all have their own situations going on and it’s hard to sit down and record a sw session
@@calisurfin not to mention there all in different time zones reti4 lives in the UK antione grey Jedi and Evan all live in California and Jensarri 1 lives in Canada
Since this is probably the last Fanalysis video of the year, I want to say thank you for the videos, merry Christmas, and a happy new year.
I feel like a lot of people are now glorifying the Legacy of the Force books and Darth Caedus as "the sequels done right" when those had some serious issues, from authors not working together, to rushed developments and plot-induced stupidity. (Jacen was honestly to smart and knowledgeable a character to fall as easily and uncritically as he did) With feats being generally scaled back after the Vong books, despite everyone being stated to have grown in power, to the point where Alema Ra and Aurra Sing can pick fights with Luke and Caedus and get away from it. Luke and Leia/Han lying to each other over relatively minor political incidents, even at the start of the series and in general all the effects of the years of previous intense war, including the existential one against the Vong are extremely downplayed, so that we can have a new conflict again.
This
Thank you for recording and making this review chaps ! Been hoping you would and after working every day apart from Christmas Day over the holiday period, this was a welcome distraction !
My reaction to saying this pop up:
This is where the Fun begins! I've been looking forward to this.
You guys are the only ones I trust for anything star wars. Love yah forreal.
We need Jensaarai and Antoine's comments on the film!
Don't bother dude 😂
Jensaarai1 - *shaking head, spit flying everywhere* "BBBBBBBBBBB!"
They said that Antoine refuses to acknowledge the film’s existence though I agree with Jensarai1. I really want him to nerd rage rant all over this film
These movies did the impossible for me. They made me not give a shit about star wars. I pretty much just watched the rise of skywalker out of obligation.
Stand-up Comic I walked out 85% of the way through the movie 🤣
Interestingly the movie did the opposite for me. Because of how bad it was it rejuvenated my interest and love for the Originals & Prequels.
It makes me want to unearth my old fanfiction to write a better more universe friendly story.
@@Jomama24200 bro I was like 99 percent ready to channel pat mahomes and whip my phone and cup at the screen. At the end when she said skywalker I said wtf so loud 😂😂
Good to see Fanalysis posting again! I hope Jensaarai is alright, after what happened with his channel...
A shame there is no Jensaarai1 or Antoine but Ive been waiting since I saw the movie last week for this video to come out.
Hope everyone has a great New Years!
Thank you so much for posting this!
Edit: OMG you guys are so done with this and its hilarious. When is the Holliday Special review coming out?
Most of the EU was much better. Also, I love how Grey Jedi 91's diatribe about this film and trilogy in general. He makes it so entertaining, more so than the Sequel Trilogy in general.
He's the star of the podcast in this episode. He's just so done.
@@LeftytheGansterGremlin As he is in most of them.
@@TheNuisanceBird And that's why we love him.
What bothered me about the x-wing scene was that 1. it still worked, and 2. she jumped through hyperspace and did all this crazy navigation with no astromech.
And how did kylo get to exogol in a stock empire era tie?
The X wing working simply raises the question of why Luke chose to astral project an illusion of himself and die in the process instead of simply flying to Krait. Its poor storytelling in an attempt to tug at nostalgia.
I thought Luke had used part of the wing from the X-Wing for the front door on his hut in TLJ. Chewie smashed it in. How did it fly, with a piece of the wing missing?
Obviously Rey doesn’t need an astromech, there is literally nothing she can’t do in these movies it seems.
As for Kylo’s TIE it probably got carried through hyperspace on a class 0.5 plot armour. It should have been one of the Royal Guard’s TIE interceptors (at least then it’s more easy to believe that their models were custom equipped with a hyperdrive). Or better still, have Kylo fly Vader’s TIE Advanced x1 to Exegol.
The garbage fire the new trilogy has been has me pinning for Dark Forces (both the novels and the games) to be recanonized. I felt more investment in Kyle Katarn because of his character arc and struggle with his dark side. He was a maverick whom brushed against the typical Jedi Guardian archetype.
Rey does not earn her power; it is handed to her on a silver platter. Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade, Grandmaster Luke, Lumiya, and even Krayt EARNED their power through time and diligence. Rey should have been incapable of almost every force feat she exhibits because of the physical and mental discipline they require.
(Grunt) Rogue One and The Mandalorian are the only good properties from Disney at this point as far as I am concerned.
This. Add Jedi Fallen Order to good properties, but that's it.
@@DanieleMulas-up7np My brother actually enjoys the new trilogy and new EU, which I struggle to understand why. He shared with me a video, via Facebook, that was Freddie Prinze Jr. (the actor who played Kanan Jarrus in Rebels) actively cussing out all the fans who hated the plot holes and lore breaking of the Star Wars franchise under Disney. As you can imagine, he quickly lost any respect I had for him as an actor because, when the audience finds fault in the art, you do not attack them for doing so. At that point, you have gone from professional, to outright bully to audiences and critics alike.
Yes, toxic fandoms exists in Star Wars, as they do in all franchises. This is, however, more a case of them undermining the rules and writing of the franchise, and then telling us we are wrong if we do not like it. When you take up a franchise, it is your responsibility to uphold the integrity of its rules and lore, as has been shown, otherwise you are not expanding it, or improving on past works; you are actively undermining it.
@@TheMeditatingRaven As in new EU, you mean the new supplemental garbage like Phasma, Bloodline, the Marvel comics ? I agree, how the hell can you be invested in trivial, self-contained, inconsequential trash ? The Vader comics that everyone oh so praise are mediocre at best. Sith stealing crystals from Jedi and making them bleed ? Lord Momin a.k.a. discount Exar Kun/Vitiate ? Jocasta Nu going on a solo undercover mission ? WTF ????
As for the Freddie Prinze Jr. drama, that only re-enforces how ASS BACKWARDS the clowns at Lucasfilms are. Ironically, he played the best character in Rebels, but then acts like an overly emotional bitch in real life. In order to enjoy a long standing franchise such as Star Wars, you NEED consistency and set internal logic. Otherwise, you might as well turn it into Bayformers.
Seriously, the desperation they have as they still cling to the EU (naming Sith Trooper batallions after EU Sith Lords, referencing Tales Of The Jedi in Solo on the visual dictionary) while at the same time disregarding it, is just insulting....
@@DanieleMulas-up7np Agreed. I feel sorry for most of the fans, including the Fanalysis cast, that they have to explain why this is bad writing.
@@TheMeditatingRaven You tell me, just right now I've been dealing with several Disney fanboys defending said bad writing...
to put it short: to hell with that, legends all the way
Damn I was really missing Mr. Helloooooo UA-cam!
Reti4 - He'll be back, have no fear.
@@Reti4 Will Connor re-upload here on UA-cam as well ?
"I hope they never make another movie again."
-GreyJedi91, 2020.
I hope they never make content again.
2019. But same.
Another question: Could perhaps C-3PO’s block on translating Sith was set in place by the Imperial Senate? Palpatine might’ve wanted to keep a cap on the arcane and Sith knowledge so he keeps a monopoly on it.
Thanks!
I'd love to see you guys discuss New Jedi Order and on, given the ups and downs of the saga, and maybe even the Heir to the Empire trilogy. Great stuff, always excited to watch!
What’s with all this Dark Empire hate? Dark Empire is fantastic! This whole idea that Palpatine coming back undermines Vader’s sacrifice is never explained. How? I don’t see how Palpatine rallying the Imperial Remnant is any different from Thrawn doing it. Please someone explain to me why Dark Empire is bad. I will discuss in good faith.
You guys look thrilled to review this let’s go!!!
I'm so happy your all talking about this. Thanks guys you are great
Love you guys and glad your still around
Reti4 - Happy to be back!
Happy to hear star wars isn't dead for you guys. As much as I enjoyed the first 2 movies in this trilogy I can understand the loss of faith many fans have over the franchise. Maybe its cause I will allways look at parts of the EU as canon where as I look at these movies as a what if. Series.idk just happy y'all will continue to talk star wars
But to be honest I think 7 already had ruined it, because that in itself with the first order meant Anakin didnt bring balance to the force. Palpatine is representative of the evil of the force he is not all of it. So even if Snoke wasnt Palpatine, that already ruined Anakins arc.
Just because Anakin brought balance doesn’t mean it stays that way.
Something that shows what these films are perfectly:
In the fight between Rey and Kylo, the lightsabers weren’t smoking.
All spectacle, no effort.
*Sees notification*
“Long have I waited.”
Love these guys reviews on star wars
Reti4 - Thanks, we're glad you enjoy them!
@@Reti4 You guys are amazing been with you guys from the beginning
Do you reckon you guys will talk about Jedi Fallen Order?
GJ that incandescent bulb makes me feel like your a time travelling reviewer from like the 80s.
In curious to see what other star wars projects you guys have in the works. Still looking forward to your review of Dark lord rise of Darth Vader as well as other projects. Keep up the good work guys love your work.
I enjoyed the movie for what it was but when you compare it to the expanded universe it pales in comparison. I've basically just accepted that from the films we got there are a few good elements like Kylo Ren but at the end of the day they are gonna be mediocre casual fan pleasers. Watching it with as low expectations as I had, I enjoyed it even though it was a nonsensical mess that goes against pre-established lore.
I would really love to see you guys review KOTOR I & II
Also I only ever felt anger or apathy for the character deaths. With the Chewie fake out, half of my mind was full of anger while the other half was deciding if this was worse than his death in Legends by having a moon yeeted into the planet he's on. And now Force Heal can now be used as a definitive cure for death...
Not sure if any of you are Warcraft fans (I’m a casual fan of the lore), but who do you think would win in a versus match between Asajj Ventress (Legends) and Lady Sylvanas?
Its so great to finally get to hear Analysis's review of this film. As for my opinion of the film, it was terrible. The plot was rushing from one place to the next, forgettable characters, and having no road map for the end result. I will say however that it was great seeing Ian Mcdiarmid, even though he wasn't given much to do. Especially gratifying was the send off Leia was given, I honestly didn't think they could pull it off. Finally, Disney Star Wars at least tried to be original in this film, which I appreciate, even if they fail at it. As big a Star Wars fan as I am, I honestly feel that Kathleen Kennedy was really the real problem for this trilogy. Allowing J J Abrams to copy episode 4 beat for beat, allowing Ryan Johnson to make his own movie and ignore J J Abrams movie, and firing the original episode 9 director Colin Trevor. On top of that, she seems to be sexist towards men, fired multiple directors and seems to use the Star Wars movies to promote her own political ideologies by making them appear more appealing to girls then telling an actual story. I still can’t believe she approved of everything Ryan Johnson did, and the fact that they have most of this movie clean up his mess just shows how bad her leadership is. In fact I honestly believe that this trilogy was a waste of literally everyone’s time and DOES NOT NEED TO EXIST!!!!!! In fact if I could change one thing about Disney Star Wars it would be to not have them reset the EU, as those stories deserve to be told and this fanfiction trilogy needs to be forgotten. The only good thing this trilogy did was that it allowed people to see the Prequels in a better light, as they were under the guide of Lucas himself and had an idea of where they wanted to go. To those that enjoy the Disney trilogy, that’s great, and I’m happy you can find joy in something I can’t and I appreciate you letting me rant. :) Since you guys wrapped up this trilogy beautifully, do you know when you'll review both the Prequel and Original Trilogies? Really excited to hear your thoughts on the true saga.
While I'm in love with The Last Jedi and believe Rian Johnson had no real fault in this, I agree with the rest of what you've said. Kennedy is the soul issue here. She's politically driven and seems to only care about her vision being promoted.
P.S: Also Trevorrow's script just got leaked and it's loads better than this mess of a movie.
Tijain Jyunichi I want to stress very very much that I’m just asking this out of pure 100% curiosity, but how come you believe that Rian Johnson isn’t at fault for the last Jedi? I’m only asking because according to Daisy Ridley Johnson didn’t keep any of episode 7 script and pretended like the last movie never happened effectively writing J J Abrams into a corner. Please believe me when I say I’m in no way trying to say that your wrong for enjoying the last Jedi after all everybody‘s opinion is different and the world would be boring if we were all the same. :)
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No, it's cool. I didn't word my intention correctly. Me saying Rian "had no real fault in this" I meant that he's not to blame AS MUCH as people keep claiming. He's an independent person and could have done things differently, I agree. But, the narrative going around is that Abrams had a roadmap & draft for all 3 movies and then Rian just came around and threw *everything* out. I have a hard time believing that because 1.) Johnson did answer and stay in line with what was set up, he just did it in a way people don't like (IMO). 2.) Why on Earth would Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm accept him doing that? I believe that some things would change but the whole damn thing? Either the material they did have planned wasn't concrete enough, they didn't even have a plan, or they didn't care.
The interview with Ridely is worth looking at but I have a couple issues with it. One: she says she *thinks* she knows. And the other being that she's under contract. I doubt they'd allow her going around saying anything of the opposite. Every Johnson interview leading up to the filming of TLJ and many articles published around that time, say Johnson was given a blank slate and had no overarching path to follow. If Abrams did have something, it wasn't enforced or encouraged.
@@Tijjain can I ask why you liked last Jedi (not trying to be an ass jus curious). because I think it spits in the face of all Luke and the original trilogy stood for it’d be nice to have civil discourse
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TL;DR: I like the move because it invokes a sense of wonder and mystery in me that I felt when first watching the franchise. The Force is a big part of it because it's loose and undefined. It's something the characters don't simply control or use. The Force is almost a character in of its itself. The characters are the other part of it. TLJ is one giant revelation for each one. With Luke, he goes from falling from grace to a cranking depressed man who couldn't prevent the destruction of what he's worked for his entire life. But he comes back by sacrificing himself to save the fighters of the Resistance. He gives (should've given) them and the galaxy the hope they need to keep the fight. With Kylo he decides to reject the idealistic greatness that he wants to desperately achieve. He decides to carve his own path and rebuild the galaxy in his image. With Rey, she finally comes to terms with reality: that she's no one. Like Kylo she was so desperate for something more, that that's all she cared about. So when she finds out, she has to put aside and accept that it doesn't matter. She still has a role regardless of her lineage. And Finn finally realizes the importance of fighting for more than yourself and your friends. It's about fighting for what's right----even if you die trying.
When it comes to The Last Jedi, I'd say it's one of the few movies in the franchise that truly made me feel like I was stepping into something new. And by new, I just mean that the things that happen in this movie captured my curiosity and wonder that I first felt when getting introduced to Star Wars. The biggest contributor to that is the Force.
*The Force.* I love the Force in this movie! It one of the few that explores the side of it that few or anyone one really knows what's going on. Rey's cave experience, her and Kylo's Bonds, Luke's projection, etc. It all reminds me of the dread and mystery of Luke's cave scene and Anakin's dreams for example. Especially with the first two, the Force in this movie is surreal and wonderous. You (or at least I) don't know what's happening. But not in a bad way. I want to know more, investigate, and learn. This isn't me saying I hate or dislike the basic stuff we know about the Force (push, jump, telekinesis, etc.), but I like how this movie made it more than something that the Sith and Jedi use.
Characters -
*Luke.* I'll start with him since that seems to be the biggest issue people have. I just want to say that I think this is the best-case scenario with the setup in TFA. Abrams is the one who decided that Luke would be in seclusion. I've been grappling with how this would fit his character. If Luke was on Ahch-to because that he was hiding from Ren or Snoke that would've made him cowered. Much worse than what we got IMO. I see Luke's mistake much like I see nightmares for instance. What I mean by this, is that many people see Luke turning on his lightsaber after seeing the destruction as the intent to kill and JUST that. I think it's more complex. What I mean by nightmares is that no matter how calm, cool, and collected one is, everyone has instinctual reactions to distress and loss. The Force is a powerful thing. I don't think Luke's visions can be compared to watching something on TV. He's literally taping into the future and seeing all he built and loved destroyed. He's very much living the experience. Him turning on his lightsaber (much like he says) was a fleeting moment of weakness. Luke was having a nightmare and he woke up. The unfortunate part is that Kylo woke up to the sound of Luke's instinct and saw betrayal.
IMO when you put the context of Luke's accomplishments with this, it's a crushing defeat for him. This is the Jedi who redeemed Darth Vader, the biggest bad in the galaxy, his father. The weight of the galaxy was on his sounders but he did it. And then he had to rebuild, fighting off the rest of the Empire and raising a better and wiser generation of Jedi. But the Kylo vision shows him failure and destruction. I've no doubt that Luke wanted to help and would've helped Kylo. This was just a prime example of "wrong place wrong time." Luke even says it in the movie about becoming a legend and the pressure of it all. But TLJ brings him back. When the entire Resistance is cornered on Crete he returns. Luke's decided that he's not going to let the past dictate him anymore, so he steps out to look Kylo in the eye. What's amazing is that he wins on all fronts. For one, he doesn't need to actually fight. He toys with Kylo like he's a raged filled child. Outsmarting him by being a Force Projection (which is badass). The other ways are that he gets the Resistance to escape and sparks the galaxy to fight again. The latter in particular **would've been** an excellent thing to continue in IX. We see those kids on Canto Bight reenacting the events of Crete. Luke's return has spread through the galaxy giving them all hope. All of this without killing anyone and sacrificing himself. It reminds me of when he threw away his lightsaber in RotJ. He chooses to reject violence and Sidious' manipultion. That is Luke to me.
*Kylo.* He's actually my favorite character out of Sequels. Him as a villain is one of the best aspects for me. I love how he's an unhinged maniac. All the other villains in SW are these sophisticated, experienced, and wise characters. With the possible exception of Grievous, but you can't argue that he's not experienced or intelligent at least. And I'm not saying I dislike that, just it is nice to have this for once. Kylo's entire deal is wanting to live up to his families' names. A Skywalker and Solo in one. He's desperate to fulfill their greatness and match Vader. But in this movie after all the pain, trials, teachings, and disapproval from those around him he finally says: "fuck it, I'm going to make my own destiny, I'm going to be my own person." Which I way I love Snoke's death. Kylo thought he found someone who could help him achieve the greatness he's been searching for after Luke "betrayed" him. But Snoke has done nothing but criticize and make fun of him. If anything, he seems more interested in Rey. So when Kylo said he wants to kill it all "the Jedi, the Sith, all of it." It's the icing on the cake. He's finally seeing what's wrong with it all. The endless conflict. Which, again, *would've* been an excellent plot point for IX. A Kylo going on a full rampage throughout the galaxy with all the resources of the First Order.
*Rey.* So admittedly, she is a mixed bag in this movie and overall. I love the concept of her character but don't like key decisions they take with her. I don't like how limited her training actually was for example. I won't go into much of that since It's pretty obvious. But her character in TLJ is something I truly enjoy. Rey is a naive and idealistic person who, like Kylo, is desperate to be a part of something. She wants to come from greatness. But when she finds out the truth, it's a crushing revelation for her character. She's nothing and has nothing. And I think this is why she works so well with, and against, Kylo. Her Bonds with him are great because she finds in him the only person who understands her emptiness and confusion. They both want greatness but both end up with different conclusions. Where Kylo wants to burn it all because he's lost faith, Rey says I still have a reason to fight.
*Finn.* I'm probably an outlier even among fans when I say I like Canto Bight. An issue I have with it, however, is just how too Earth-like it feels. The costume design looks more like high-fashion than Star Wars. But anyway, Finn's character in this arc is pretty enjoyable to me. In TFA he goes from only caring about himself to caring about Rey. In the TLJ he goes from only caring about Himself and Rey to caring about the Resistance. The first words he says are literally "Where's Rey." And "rebel scum" after defeating Phasma is him accepting his place in the story, accepting that he's going to fight for a bigger cause. Which is what Rose and DJ represent. Those two opposing sides of his motivations and he rejects the self-serving DJ way because now he understands how it affects people. In the end, Finn was willing to sacrifice himself to save anyone. Something I do dislike: Rose saving him. Would've been a great end to a character arc and put some weight on the stakes.
There are other things I like (the costumes, the cinematography, the music, set design, other character intricacies, etc.) but this is too long already. So these are the main stuff I enjoy.
Watching you guys is a much needed palate cleanser.
so a random off topic question but, did the Ahsoka scenes in Mandolorian "retcon" the things in her novel already ?
I'll be excited for your rewrite on the prequels greyjedi91! I'm always interested to see peoples takes on how to fix those lol.
Will you guys ever consider covering The Mandalorian or Jedi Fallen Order ? Out of Disney Star Wars, right now these are probably the best we're getting, including the Dark Temple tie-in comics.
Thanks for suffering through this to review it. We enjoy the review, far more than the film.
Regarding the waste of R2, I think I have heard somewhere that Lucas still holds most, or at least some of the merchandising rights to his original characters. That would certainly explain a lot when it comes to their general treatment in this trilogy. Also love to see you guys being back on some Star Wars content. You are the reason my appreciation for Star Wars and the EU in particular went up to new hights back pre Episode 7. Which funilly enough made watching that movie feel even more like a slap to the face for me... :,)
The licensing issues makes so much sense...it's really the only thing that does make sense. I don't know if that's true, but I can believe it.
And I'm sorry the movie hurts more after getting familiar with the EU through our material, but at the same time, glad to have you aboard an as a fellow fan of the material we so enjoy.
Great review guys.
I am looking forward to the review of "The Mandalorian" by you guys and what are your thoughts on the rumors that Favreau might be taking a bigger role in Lucasfilm and Star Wars?
A fanalysis discussion on the mandalorian would be good entertainment
I have been looking foward to this.
There was a moment in this movie when Dominic Monaghan looks sadly at the camera and I looked at my friend and said "Pip, I knew you would find me." and we both interrupted the movie laughing our asses off. And that was the best part of the movie for me.
Luminara Unduli, Aayla Secura, Adi Gallia, Ahsoka Tano, and Mace Windu shouldn't have been there, they never became Force Ghosts. Not even Disney can convince me they did. XD
The only Jedi we should have seen/heard were Luke, Leia, Anakin, Yoda, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon: the Skywalkers because they are Skywalkers and the others who learned the ability thanks to Qui-Gon Jinn. Ahsoka maybe, but definitely not the Jedi who died during Order 66.
@@ariesstorm9577 Exactly.
"I've waited a loooong time for this moment."
All I needed to know was conveyed in the 1st 2 minutes. Thanks guys. Peace is a lie
There is only passion
The Yuuzhan Vong would have been a way better villains faction than the First Order. I would love to actually hear you guys rewrite the whole trilogy.
Of course I would also liked their episode 9 to be about Abeloth.
Afterwards I want a Darth Kraut tv series
Are you guys still open to reviewing the Disney canon Star Wars novels? If so then I hope you review "Master and Apprentice" by Claudia Gray because I have heard good things about the book and I would to hear your opinions on how it handles the character of Qui Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Personally, that is one of the few canon novels that I have actually read. Personally, I didn't care for it, but I still recognize Claudia Gray's talent and I consider the book reasonably well written. But what it does with the Jedi approach to prophecy, the changes to Dooku's biography and the entire character of Aveross bothered me. But then, I am of course primarily a Legends fan. Some day I'll talk about that book, either on my own, or after the others have read it if the care to.
March of the Resistance is one original music from Force Awakens that appears in this movie as well. It is really the only solid new Williams score in these movies that i really like. Also, I would have been onboard with duel of the fates being played at Rey and Kylos tussle on the moon of Endor. It would have at least kept me awake ;-)
Your video was a lot more interesting than the movie I’m surprised no one mentioned how fast the movie goes by at the beginning or the hyperspace skipping but I guess jen will cover that. Also do you guys believe in the rumor about the Lucas cut existing.
Grey Jedi! I miss u man yours vid were the best
Yes! I’ve been looking forward to this video. A shame Antoine and Jensarai1 aren’t on board. Regardless, I look forward to hearing your take on the movie. :)
I can't wait to hear Jensaarai1 on it, along with seeing his channel back.
Maul Lockdown is a novel I’d love to hear the councils opinion on. It’s debatably the closest thing to an R rated Star Wars tale we’ve gotten. People and alien monsters being murdered in mass, gore to rival the hellraiser franchise, a disgusting telepathic worm monster, and brutal gladiator style deaths worthy of Hollywood. The book has Excellent fight scences, Maul is engaging as always, and a simple but well executed plot with fun B characters. This is a good book that shows that Apprentice Darth Maul had leadership and strategic skills despite his sith brainwashing . While I appreciate that Antoine doesn’t like the idea of the Wampa fight, there are three things I feel need to be addressed. 1. Maul is in the pinnacle of physical perfection ( his strength/reflexes/stamina/agility are Olympic level without the force) even without the force in combat, Maul still had his force enhanced senses and reflexes and has unique physical traits ( cranial horns and naturally higher pain tolerance.) that Luke lacked during his wampa fight in empire strikes back. 2. Even taking into account that the wampa ambushed Luke and Luke was hurt during the brief fight, Luke had little training and had spent three years learning by himself about the force. ( and receivingbasic combat training from the rebels of course )Maul has been training in combat literally since he was a toddler and was a master combatant with and without the force to a level few could match during his fight with a wampa.( this is literally a few weeks before Phantom menace) and 3. This wampa wasn’t in peak condition and was being controlled to attack even when it didn’t want to, so it was even less rational and couldn’t rely on its instincts like the species usually did. All this kept the two fights from being even remotely similar and wasn’t that unbelievable.( well , as much as a space odyssey about laser sword wielding wizards could be believable.) I hope the council enjoyed the novel and desperately want you to review this excellent book. And Master and apprentice with Quigon and Obi Wan released last year. And the novelization of STOR Star Wars Decieved. And TCW Season 7. I hope to hear the council’s thoughts on all of these and look forward to hearing more from the group.
Hope you guys review Andor
Glad to see you guys came back to roast this garbage fire. Best of luck to Jensaarai1 as well. Hope to see you guys make more MCU videos or at least review The Mandalorian.
BTW- I do like the Prequels and Dark Empire. I enjoy the prequels for the world building, music, and lightsaber duels. Over choreographed duels, bad dialogue, and pacing issues don't affect me like it does for others. Dark Empire despite being as goofy as it is, I enjoy the more stylized neo gothic art, Palpatine even at his hammiest is always entertaining to read, and Luke's surreal journey in and out of the dark side.
I am sure I will get a lot of flack for it, but to me the truly bad Star Wars stories are the ones that are boring and uninteresting, *Cough cough Cloak of Deception
I'd definetely want to hear their stance on The Mandalorian, or better yet, Jedi Fallen Order.
@@DanieleMulas-up7np Still waiting for them to talk their stance on Iron Man 1.
@Bean bunny WTF ? I never said anything about it
Good review guys. I hope you guys do get to play Fallen Order, it's a fun game. And a review of Mando eventually as well. Love to hear your guys opinions
Both good ideas and both are worth a conversation
Man... it's kind of disheartening to see that this was the last video on this channel to discuss anything related to Star Wars, which leads me to believe that the current state of the franchise has killed any interest in discussing Star Wars at all. Such a shame. I loved this channel's insights on the EU.
This is not the Palpatine of Star Wars EU. This is Robot Chicken Palpatine
And they took at least 2 ideas from Robot Chicken Palpatine...
My Face is on Fire: "If you had made up your mind 5 seconds earlier, we could have ruled the galaxy and maybe I could have gotten laid one more time before I died!"
Palpatine's Last Moments: "You know, looking back it all makes sense. Dream big, live big, love big... fall to your death down a giant f***ing hole. Now I know, which is exactly 0% of the battle apparently."
"Oh, you stuck around, great, you didn't miss the visual treat of my frozen corpse floating naked in the vacuum. Just what mamma Palpatine dreamed, sorry ma. Anyway, if you stuck around this long you probably want some final words of wisdom so listen close. F*** YOU!"
Greyjedis Sidious impression is flawless lol
I never buy the fact that Leia its a military general she should be a politician that its very good at aggresive negociations like her father and mother
Haha just realised I can sit and watch this. I finally saw The Rise of Skywalker back in March/April and forgot to come back to watch your reviews 😅
Definitely cover fallen order, had a chance to play through that & i was impressed. I thought the main character didnt amount to much or get nearly as strong as you would have with someone like starkiller or katarn but it at least gives us an interesting new character
Personally that’s something I view as a strength of fallen order. Kal may not be a powerhouse but he’s interesting and skilled in his own right
The Movie titles should have been
Force Awakens
The Last Order
The Last Jedi
The Force Awakens
The Last Jedi
From His Nap
You guys are always the best. You’re saying what we’re all thinking in the theater. I’ll admit the fan service was shameful and that’s why the more basic part of me loved it, but as a whole the film is a mess. The pacing was super jarring. They tried for too much and a new story when it should be the conclusion.
I’ll admit that Rey is a Mary Sue most of the time in comparison to Luke Skywalker at least, but there are both Luke and Anakin were also prodigies once they opened up to learning. I think the reason that Rey’s power has is so jarring is that she wasn’t trained by a “professional” as Leia is great but a diplomat at heart. And Rey’s powers are much flashier and “advanced” looking.
I’ll never get over how you on target and hilarious you guys are.
Thank you Greyjedi for bringing up how divided we’ve all become and advocating for temperance/respect.
A question I had: Why would Palpatine announce his return and plan when he had the perfect set up for a surprise attack?
Been watching your content for years and I do agree that their attempt to bring in new Force abilities was admirable and a nice call to the EU that they obliterated.
May the Force be with You.
I think the main problem with this movie was simply no connective tissue between any of the movies.
simply put while I think it was still a mess and not a lot of reason for it, if their had been an overarching plot and theme from the get go a lot of the issues would have been soothed out or at least a lot LESS worse then what we got.
that was an issue so easily preventable that it offends me a lot more then all the other issues in world building dynamics, power scale issues, character development, and all the same old retreads from before.
like that is just honest issues of them trying and failing at some things but succeeding at others.
also you burned down the Expanded Universe for THIS? REALLY?
I liked this one better then the last jedi at least.
I'm glad y'all brought up Antoine because I was gonna ask. That said fire up the bbq.
There’s like a few days between TFA and TLJ and supposedly like a year or two between TLJ and TROS.
ItsATrap Not even. TLJ takes place immediately after TFA.
Dark Empire can be saved by one little tweak.
The Palpatine clone was just a clone who thought he was the real deal.
This travesty is unsalvageable.
There was way more than one clone body in Dark Empire and it's continuations. Dialogue from Palpatine when meeting with Luke implies that the body that he had when he first met Luke was also a clone body if I recall correctly. Whatever the case may be though there was still the spiritual transference that Palpatine was very clearly doing throughout the storyline, so there's literally no need for the clone to be a completely separate character who just happens to know how to transfer his soul into new bodies when needed.
Then again, Dark Empire featured a lot of stuff that was very questionable. The fact that nobody calls out that the World Devastators were very clearly not "more powerful than the Death Star" is something that people should have noticed when reading said comics.
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Yes, I'm aware Palpatine was using essence transfer before and after Return of the Jedi. That doesn't mean one of his clones couldn't have gone rogue after his death.
I think the fact that no one mentions the World Devastators when talking about superweapons is enough assume that they are not as powerful as the death stars.
@@bluehero-96A rogue clone of Palpatine would have made an interesting antagonist though but Dark Empire literally demonstrated the transferring of Palpatine's spirit into more than one body through the comics. But the idea of a rogue clone of him in the way of C'Baoth would've been kinda cool for a separate story if you ask me.
Yeah, it does seem they got ignored later on when mentioning the mass superweapons, but the Galaxy Gun from Dark Empire 2 does indeed take precedence and get mentioned in books taking place down the road.
This entire sequal trilogy is a mess overall but if we're going to have essence transfer be a thing (even if its never actually explained in the film) then why wouldn't they have snoke be the one who can do it? We even had other snoke clones shown in the film. Why disregard an original villain who needed expanding upon and people were intrigued about and instead bring Palpatine back aside from a blatant attempt to pander in the vain hope people would forget about the last jedi. Its just shoddy damage control and the lack of any planning.
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That would be a good idea, but Snoke and Jar Jar Abrams were too stupid to have it.
Hey guys, I’m a big EU fan, hated TFA and TLJ (the worst SW film ever), but I actually ended up enjoying this film. To me, it makes good on all the wrongs committed by TLJ (when Luke’s character comes back as we know him and actually encourages Rey) and connects everything I didn’t like about TFA with a broader “full circle” type of idea. I’m already writing too much, there’s so much to say, but in conclusion I like Abrahm’s vision, but could do without Ryan Johnson.
What I think it is it does twist after twist and flashiness preventing you from questioning it giving the illusion of coherency, and being good else I don't know why I liked it since I love the EU.
I actually think it's the acting that people like too that caused people to love it, the acting disguises the poor story.
Can't wait to see Connor back in full force. The saddest part is the cool discussions in the comment sections are now gone, but hey, at least all the videos are saved. :)
You know it's a bad movie when 3PO is one of the best parts of the movie
Not to knock on 3PO, but yeah.
3PO is always one of the best parts.. in every movie he is in.. though..
Finn’s secret is that he’s Force sensitive. That’s it, that’s all he was trying to tell Rey the whole time.
Was disappointed not to get a discussion on Rey’s seemingly well adjusted parents, (a child of Palpatine), selling her to slavery for her own good.
This movie was so bad and nonsensical that it breaks the canon and actively hurts the star wars legacy
We threw out the expanded universe from a press release, can we as the fans just consider this disney star wars era non canon and move on?
Cant wait for season two of the Mandalorian tho
I've been thinking that since the beginning. They built this canon off of TCW instead of the movies anyway.
I’ve been considering everything from Disney Star Wars to be an alternate universe. As far as I’m concerned the true Star Wars canon is the original trilogy, the dark horse comics and the EU. (The novel versions of the prequels are better.)
ahhh yiss the long awaited vid xD
Is swtor couldn’t do Revan right how bad do you think he would be in Disney Star Wars
I just want to see Disney tell EA to make a direct remaster of KOTOR (similar to the Halo Anniversaries) and just slap the Canon label on it even though I know it won't happen.
Ohhh nooo Antoine and Conor :(
But I understand Antoine not wanting to talk about this.
And good luck to you Conor.
Okay so! I had about the lowest expectations for this film that i've ever had. Even so... i was hoping for at least some fun action? A pretty lightshow? I super agree with you guys about how awful the worldbuilding and thought process behind the final ship battle is. For me what's even bigger is even in terms of being a popcorn flick there was nothing to it! There's.... at the most like a minute of dogfighting? And once the galaxy fleet arrives, i don't think we see like a single capital ship engaged with a star destroyer. after that fleet gets there again at most we see like maybe twenty seconds of fighting. Like that was the worst, shortest space battle of the saga right? At least of anything i can remember and this is supposed to be the big final fight against the sith!
I'd just add a post credit's scene where George Lucas just wakes up from a nightmare. It's all just a bad dream.... it's not a part of canon. it's fine
And then Deadpool assassinates him and reveals that it was all just a really long trailer for Deadpool 3.
@@bluehero-96 Damn Deapool, did you have to troll us like that.
"Why are they fighting?" Hit me as well. So bad. How can that be what I'm thinking after three movies?
Bro I know this might be out of date but can you guys do a video for those of us really interested in star wars new jedi order but with no clue of where to start. Bro that would be huge.
It's a tad before the new jedi order but the Thrawn trilogy is a must read series and it sets up things that will become important for the new jedi order down the line
As uninspiring as it is they should’ve just adapted the thrawn trilogy, or something along those lines.
On another not have any of you had the chance to listen to the dooku Jedi lost audio book?
Or do a sequel trilogy loosely based on the last bits of the Yuuzhan Vong War and Legacy of The Force.
I’m honestly curious as to what the post-TROS EU is going to be like. I haven’t given a shit about this trilogy since 2015 but I still see potential for the story group to make some decent stories now that the Sequel trilogy isn’t a concern.