Wow Secrets - Old Outland
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- As a bonus this week I decided to revisit one of my older videos which really did not make this amazing place justice. This is a tour of the old and scrapped Hellfire Peninsula. It is a zone which got scrapped early in vanilla and was never available to players. Enjoy!
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Every time I see scrapped content from early WoW, I marvel at how ambitious the early developers were.
DrPluton They intended so much for Vanilla - in part because they wanted to cover all of their bases since subscription games didn't have a great track record. It does look a lot like how Outland was portrayed in WCIII, which is also probably why it was going to be in Alpha. I'm glad they made an expansion around it instead.
Its crazy what they were able to achieve in 5 years of development. Meanwhile what they achieve in 2 year expansions now.... It really feels like maintenance. Bring back the passion!
And how unambitious retail WoW is now! SAD!
5 years of development have been needed to simply create the whole game, with no patch, no expansion and with full bugs and an online connection manager for internet of the time (battle.net was not existing in this early time), and so then only 4-5 servers were ready to get people.
Does anyone know what patch of vanilla this is from?
Gone but never forgotten. Truly the best WoW content creator to ever exist.
youve been gone for years and still are the best wow channel. rest in peace.
Hey dude, even though you don't have that many subs, please never stop. Really dig that stuff.
Thank you. And dw, I plan on keeping making them ^^
Hayven Games yeah your stuff is really good , if you could some day do a guide on how to mount the maps or whatever you do please
+Hardisk Qu"est-ce que tu fais là toi ? O_o
+Hayven Games , what program did you use? Is it MapView?
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This Outland actually looks more like Outland from WC3 than the final version in WoW does.
Most of World of Warcraft models, maps, and sounds are updates of those of Warcraft 1, 2 and 3. The Game Engine of World of Warcraft Classic is the same Game Engine of Warcraft, what changes is the graphic driver (probably DirectX 9 and 10 during Classic era) and the code also changes, but most of the assets are the same, but compiled as an Open-World RPG, and not an RTS.
Wish you were still here :( r.i.p.
What a gut punch for this to show up in my recommended videos. Rest in Peace, Hayven.
This is it! This is where you would go if you got feared correctly off a zeppelin ! For years, everyone claimed that the little area inside the deadmines instance was old outland, NOPE! This truly brings back memories! Thank you!
Can you back this up? Any SS's or youtube videos?
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Colton Cross He did it on a private server also, I wanted to know if you meant someone got glitched on the live vanilla serv and ended up in this area.
Honestly this version of hellfire peninsula would have mad much more sense now. Considering Tanaan Jungle was lush and full of plant life before its destruction.
This gives me more of a Tanaan jungle feel than the current Hellfire peninsula does. Interesting!
+Lilyofthemyst This is because Draenor is basically just most of the Outland areas with better graphics and they've been destroyed, notice how there are areas the same in Outland AND Draenor? :)
+lonely Did you even read his comment
This gave me a morrowind vibe for some reason
to be fair, this place looks a LOT more like the hellfire we saw in warcraft 3 then the one that actually exists in the game.
damn, amazing... they really went with what they had from WC2: Beyond the Dark Portal and WC3: The Frozen Throne for that one...
This is the most in depth video I've come across for Old Outland. Great quality too. Thanks for making it!
RIP hayven you are missed.
If you are seeing this in 2018 or later PLEASE like subscribe. Hayven game's has some of the best Wow Vids out there but he is gone. show him some love folk's Hayven you will always be with azeroth and her heroes
Just popped up again in my recommended today. Hope you’re resting easy. A talent lost way too early
I had never appreciated just how much of a difference the color of the sky makes in grasping the 'tone' of the zone.
Thank you for uploading videos like this, exploration is my favorite thing in wow and I love seeing areas you can't normally get to!
Your channel is freaking awesome, i just discovered it today, and wow.
+Tremblay Louis (FlamenHound) WoW.
;)
That looks like a combination of Zangarmarsh and Hellfire Peninsula! Truly awesome dude, please keep making these, for people like me who always enjoyed the "Behind the scenes" aspect of the game, this is gold! Thank you! :D
Obviously allot was out of place like the floating trees but its amazing how all of the original terrain textures and such we're reused in the final version of hellfire.
For some reason I like the layout of this hellfire better its more random then the final version and it doesn't make sense how things feel symmetrical in final hellfire like how honor hold and thrallmar are pretty much perfectly alligned.
Dude this MUSIC man. I literally have your videos in a playlist to hear these masterful orchestrated compositions. So beautiful.
That cut out section looks like a piece of Tanaris with a different sand color...
+Sir Tristan Exactly what i was thinking!
Developers often reuse as much as they can in order to limit the amount of resources it takes. That changes over time as computers become more powerful and hard drive space gets infinitely larger, but it was an important element in the development of a lot of older games.
my thoughts exactly, they were making a "desert" area with hellfire so they copied over a chunk of a desert they had already been working on (ie Tanaris) as a starting point or reference.
This looks a lot like Warcraft 3 Outland
iller mills It should be made after Warcraft 3-s Outland.
Thats the point lol
man I sometimes get melancholic when I journey through a wasteland in the actual game, but this is a whole 'nother level. Truely a lost world, imagine how long these skeletons and the naked human man have been waiting for somebody to visit them...good thing you did...
I really wish that WoW graphics and environment details were still like this even in 2018. This is the main part of the game what I miss the most. Too bad it's not like this anymore :(
RIP man, really miss your vids.. hope there's a heaven where you are.
*Grab a bag of popcorn and a Pepsi*
All ready let's watch this master piece!
Haha thanks! But coke is better ;)
Hayven Games
Meh coke is overrated. ;p
Achille12345 I prefer coke; Pepsi just tastes like sugar to me.
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That's why I only drink Pepsi Diete. ;p
+William DeGroot (Lichdemon) US Coke is crap, so Pepsi > Coke. In the rest of the world it doesn't taste like pure sugar syrup so Coke > Pepsi.
The cut zone with the Silithid almost looks like a reskin of Tanaris.
Old HP looks a lot more like Tanaan Jungle but I really like the desolate plains feel of BC HP. Tanaan feels too crammed for my taste.
I like this version a lot more than the live version. At least this really looks like a dead jungle.
imo looks awful, filled with placeholders, in no way does it resemble a "dead jungle". The real hell fire is an astral masterpiece.
@Arsey McGee - Yep, fits far better with the Draenor I saw way back in Warcraft 2: Beyond the Dark Portal. The finished version was stripped of a lot of its character. I'd personally love to see this version used in Classic WoW to fill the questing gap from 50-60.
I love some of the concepts they had for this zone. It's a shame they decided to take out certain aspects, like the mushrooms/floating mushrooms and some of the older building designs. In some ways I feel the current beauty of the game doesn't capture the same mystery WoW once had.
the Detox the current one - you're right. But back during TBC and WoTLK? Blizz still got it.
This was more like Warcraft III with huge mushrooms and flying rocks.
I prefer this to our current blasted lands/hellfire peninsula!
It is too small for a leveling zone, i feel like they are reducing zones not and making the world smaller, i prefer larger and more to explore, not less.
Watching old trailers, teasers and stuff like this i can feel much diffirent vibe for overall Warcraft idea, which I like. For me WoW got somehow flat, being ofc still a good game but feels like they took some shortcuts. I remember how Warcraft 2 in its times was an inspiration pushing the imagination forward. Dont get me wrong, I really think Legion is a good expansion with many fine solutions, bringing the game back to good :) but... I would like to explore moooar! :D
seems they had much more plans with vanilla... sometimes I wonder what game would have ben now if they chosen this way
Great stuff i been playing Warcraft games since 1998 and i really like your videos
RIP Hayven. I think about where your channel would be often, and you in general. Love to his family
rest in peace homie
Sometimes on youtube I find stuff I JUST subscribe to, but you, sir, you deserve every sub. Keep on going, please!
Here thanks to hirumaredx!
this really feel like outland from warcraft 2 unlike the one that was released
Great video! I beliebe this map looks a lot more like a Warcraft 3 zone then a WoW zone!
Just keep going, we who have seen your stuff love it, and the viewers will come in time! ;)
Idk if you will be reading this Hayven, but there is a certain atmosphere in your videos that I like. Stay cool, and let your imagination flow!
I much rather have the BC version of Hellfire. This zone has the piercing high natural borders that much of Azeroth has and it makes u feel caged in. Also, troll like ruins and silithid caves were a terrible idea. I feel they did a much better job with the retail version as it was so much more inducing an idea of entering an entirely new world. Great job on this video tho Hayven, love your stuff.
In fairness, the troll ruins and silithid caves were likely just place holders.
Kevin Smith I agree, I think the old hellfire would have been a great vanilla zone, it would fit better there... doesn't feel like another planet to me. Doesn't have that same wow factor either, the first time I went to hellfire I was gobsmacked by how different it was.
your videos are great and you soundtrack are unbelievable
Thank you RIP 🙏❤🙏😞
Man, good job re-uploading your old videos to the new channel. I watched them long ago, before Cataclysm got announced, when UA-cam was still a novelty, and "The Emerald Dream" was a popular speculation about WOW's third expansion. Everything as I remember. The music, the vibes, the sequence. I saw this 5:28 and I already recalled "oh it's where the naked human was". And so, here he is!
Good job! These old videos are so nostalgic...
Hayven passed away recently. You may not have seen his final video.
@@Tailstraw_xD wait, what?
@@bjornerlendur4606 This youtuber passed away a while ago
@@Tailstraw_xD Wait, so it was someone else who reuploaded it?
I imagine it was. It's not outside the realm of poszibility, this is his real channel and his family uploaded the final video on it. It's always a gut punch when youtube suggests one of his old vids. Rest in Peace.
this outland looks better than the current one.
Looks way better than the actual one, and this means a lot since the actual one is one of my favourite zones.
DaDude1987b Youre joking,right?
Not at all.
DaDude1987b yeah, no, this one is messy, environment has textures of blasted lands and its color/texture doesn't fit the architecture style at all.
Wow its the hellfire peninsula like it was in warcraft 3
I never knew about the desert bit near Old Outland, I wonder if they used a recolored version of Tanaris to get an idea of how to sculpt the also somewhat desert-y and desolate Hellfire Peninsula.
While it's certainly a most interesting video, this is one of those cases where I don't regret the zone being cut. It looks like a bigger, slightly psychedelic version of Durotar. The BC rendition is MUCH better.
Dude you're doing awesome work!
From what I remember from early days of wow (and its not a lot) is that helfire was supposed to be the end game zone, 50-60.
Excellent work!
I miss you so much man
I really really wished they would've used this instead. But I have a hunch why they didn't, they wanted people to explore new mobs/buildings with the new TBC xpac. But just, something about this outlands that brings me so much joy..
I believe they where going to make this a 40 man outdoor raid, its mapped location was way off the coast of Stranglethorn
it looks like they wanted to create it as a raid and then they decided it to do expansion instead.
the music at 2x speed is unbelievably great
i love these videos, great job. keep it up. i cant stop watching, =)
Found your channel today, it's amazing mate!
Also: The old hellfire feels more related to current tanaan jungle then Live old hellfire=/
This is very good video. Thanks
Great videos!
Well, amazing video! :)
It feels more like Draenor (The Red World) from Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal than Warcraft III: FT Outlands thou. In W3, Hellfire was much more scattered and already composed mostly of flying rocks, while in W2 Draenor was already strongly desolated, yet still lite, with water and enormous mushrooms forests remaining. And that random Silthid hive and troll ruins next to it... kinda unfitting, it is somehow looking like directly copy-paste from Tanaris.
would the ogre empire be possible for you to explore, or that a no go? I know you can see some kind of land mass at the bottom of the draenor map that from what I understand is it. think it would be cool to see since I have a feeling we wont see it. still love seeing your vids they are awesome!
Sylvanas WindRunner I don't think they ever actually implemented any sort of land mass for the Ogre continent. It was drawn on the map yes, but they never really put in any actual land for the continent in alpha/beta. They did however at one point put in land for Farahlon, and even had an alliance naval base with an ICC-style citadel slapped into the middle of the landmass, but it was removed right around the time they took the Iron Docks and moved them from the eastern portion of Gorgrond to the North. That was also when they decided to take out the rail network that ran all across northern Gorgrond. The Grimrail Depot 5man just feels out of place after they removed the railroad, as you can't see any sort of rail network anywhere you go in Gorgrond.
only asked I hear a lot about the ogre empire WoD would have been a good time for blizz to do something I guess more? with it maybe even the females. I know you hear about female ogres but never getting to see them. it would be cool to see some of these things in game.
Sylvanas WindRunner That land mass at the bottom of draenor is exactly just mass of land. There is totally nothing there. It's just a flat, brown rectangle. You can easily go there by yourself. Just use aviana's feather on a hill in southeastern end of shadowmoon and reach it before fatigue kills you.
i love this
Those floating trees...were they standing atop... giant apexis crystals? Apexis trees? In old Hellfire ,which was made years ago, Draenor's Tanaan Jungle, the mother of apexis crystals ? Coincidence? Or destiny?
That troll ruins and slithid cave... was it supposed to be... definitely not Azuremyst or Quel'Thalas. Maybe early AQ? Or Uldum, perhaps? There is an unfinished quest there in classic WOW
Silithid cave and a serpent ruins? Early ideas about Zangarmarsh, I guess.
say man i really dig the music, keep it up
Thanks for going back here to look at more things, I liked this place.
Is the map ever called Hellfire Penninsula or is it only called Old Outland? Also if you were to zoom out of the area, where would you end up? Is Azeroth just around the corner, like how the dreanei and blood elf zones are for the final Outland?
Unfortunately since the map was removed early it has to be patched back in to be reachable. That means all the map names and original location of it is not accurate. So I can only guess that it was called Hellfire Peninsula even back then
TheSilentStorm It's just called "Outland". They had no subzones yet.
It looks better, altought obviously not finished. TBC hellfire peninsula is too barren. its similar for Durotar in WoW too. Remains of the Pitlord are more realisticly sized too, TBC ones are just stupidly huge for sake of it.
I wonder what they were planning with this zone, and why it was left in the game files.
The end of a video, is similar a South of Tanaris... Builds Trolls, Cave Silithus.
If a skilled Person would watch this,he would create a raid out of it
really beautifull zone cuz its wierd
This actually looks better than what we got !
This looks SO much better than the Hellfire in TBC. I wish this was a level 60 vanilla zone!
Bullshit, this looks just as boring as the old Barens and feels almost exactly the same.
When Thrall and his Horde arrived in the Barrens for the first time, he told Cairne that this place looks very similar to the one they came from.
However, his old world is broken, hence the look of hellfire peninsula
Awesome
they were really into mushrooms and floating trees lol
Immensely interesting
this outland looks more like the one in the warcraft film tbh
I thought I was the only one who thought that! especially with all the burned down orc structures
Amazing!
Tweak it up a little bit and shrink it a bit and this would be a great BG.
I see elements of Zangarmarsh in there (minus the gloom).
Honestly, that looks more "hellish" than the current Hellfire Peninsula.
+Quasha I kinda like the desolate feeling of the live version.
It kind of reminds me of Durotar, Tanaris and Eastern Plaguelands
clearly not enough mushrooms
very cool! :)
5:42 - Body goals for real
Hi. Thanks for giving us this bizarre looks of the World of Warcraft. It leads me every time to the question: "why they put content or "stuff" in the live game? why not just delete?" *g*
Although your videos are made on private server, the "outland test area" or the undone Naxxramas were exploited on live servers, too. :) Anyway: i love your videos and subscribed your channel. Best, Freakyboss
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It looks like they put a lot of work into a zone they would ultimately use none of. Lots of unique models and textures that didn't even make it into the game at any point, kind of baffling.
Looks like something someone could make in 10 minutes.....
This is a dead man's older content. Show some respect man
thx for sharing~
5:20 goblin glider kit
Thnx for video but it looks like an area dumped full of different zone biology and geology. Like a test area for different models etc.
Sweet. How can I get there on the 1.12 patch?
Nice work man. I've seen an alpha map of Gorgrond somewhere and it was vastly different from the current version. Is there any way you can explore that?