How Hellfire Peninsula EVOLVED Through Time
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Today we take a look at the Hellfire Peninsula and how it has evolved from warcraft 2 through early alpha Vanilla builds up until the live version. Originally intended as a vanilla leveling zone, it was once going to have a vastly different design. Enjoy!
Old Outland Exploration:
• Wow Secrets - Old Outland
Heelvsbabyface Deadmines exploration:
• World of Warcraft: Dea...
Music used:
Intro: Mark Petrie - Holy War
Warcraft 2 - Human 02
Adrian Ziegler - Veiled
Outro: Silent Partner - Yard Sale
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Hayven was a good man in the WoW community. His videos my favorites to this day, whenever I look at them, I can't help, but almost cry.
I hope his soul is in peace and not suffering anymore.
May one of the best UA-camrs ever Rest in Peace. Forever the best, Thank you Hayven Games.
R.I.P. Hayven, and may the light be with you
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The mystery of zones that didnt make it in the original form are sometimes more interesting than the end result
So Soulsu It's only human to wonder what could have been. The appeal of the unknown is our driving force, after all!
I cant believe your not here anymore bro
Love how unique your content is man, keep it up
hes dead
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Get the fuck out of here with that 12 year old edgy meme shit. So disrespectful.
@@jockegiirl8605 Disrespectful kid.
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I have watched every single one of your videos but this is by far my favorite. I love how you dig deep through Warcraft history and show gameplay for multiple Warcraft games. Thanks again Hayven!
We love and miss you RIP brother!
Your videos keep getting better and better man. Glad I have been around since your early vids to observe your progress :) Keep it up!
+Krion glad i've been able to entertain you all the way back from the start :D
Hayven Games :(
ur videos are great… rest in peace
Unlike live version of Hellfire Peninsula , the vanilla version brings nostalgy for warcraft 3 - everything is tight and on a same plate, I don't know how to properly describe it, but it's nostalgic even though I've never seen it at the time.
That's extremely cool video, man.
The old zone was made on vanilla textures and there was a feeling like you are in another part of Blasted Lands in Azeroth not another world. The changes, that Blizzard have made are quite cool, because it really shows that Draenor was completely destroyed by the cataclysms.
Keep up good work, Hayven!
I just discover this channel, i stoped wow 6 years ago and i'm back, really sad to know he passed away, guys like you who love the game and share it what make that game exceptional, RIP brother, and thank you
In a behind the scenes interview from Vanilla, they talk about how they intended Outland to be a zone players would have to unlock access to similar to AQ
Do you have a link to this interview? I'd like to check it out.
+Vredesbyrd58 It was a video of every BTS dvd from vanilla to MoP or Cata, but seems it's been deleted now ;/ There's a playlist with 25 videos of the BTS vanilla stuff so hopefully it should be on there
Old comment I know, but damn... that would have been so much better, with hindsight. I mean, BC was great. But the way it slotted into the game? It destroyed all vanilla level 60 content. If it had been another endgame tier, like AQ, with some massive attunement quest to open the dark portal or something... it would have made Outland so much more mysterious and thrilling; it would have been part of the epic journey, instead of just displacing the old endgame content.
And of course, because of how BC was implemented, that set the precedent. Every expansion after that made previous content increasingly redundant, instead of actually "expanding" the game.
Rest in Peace 💖
Wow - sorry to have come across these after Hayven's passing. Amazing content!!
I miss you Hayven.
R.i.P Hayven! Always going to miss your content, and more importantly just you.
it's so nice to hear this voice again..
rest in peace :'(
Your videos are amazing and I think you made so much research for each video. Great work!
TBH, I could have done with a few more mushrooms on Hellfire Peninsula and a LOT less mushrooms in Zangarmarsh. Always hated Zangarmarsh to be quite honest.
Don Korb zangarmash will always be my favorite zone haha
emarskineel zamgarmash was the bomb. I'm gonna fly over there today to see how it looks with the new water and lighting effects I imagine it will be a lot different.
The hellfire peninsula you see in warcraft II is prior to the explosion that made it what it was in warcraft III.
Black temple was in hellfire peninsula in warcraft II, it was in the first mission of the orcs campaign for the expansion , beyond the dark portal.
Old Thrallmar looks to me more like Zeth'Gor
+Tomasz Rymkiewicz It's quite possible that Alliance and Horde would have quested within Honor Hold together. During the earlier alpha days it was possible to form groups with Alliance and Horde and you could even communicate with the other side. That was until Blizzard decided that a little faction conflict would be nice...a story twist which haunts us until today as the story never progresses beyond the point of Horde vs Alliance.
Rest in peace Buddy 💙
This video was great! I very much appreciate the depth you went into. I wonder if they ever planned to make more of Outland during Vanilla other than the Hellfire Peninsula.
Still miss you Hayven .. we talked a bit on twitter about wow and secrets of the game .. i miss you, your content and your voice. May you be remembered
the owner of this channel died?
@@WillVRam yes he had cancer and talked about it in a few videos. In some videos he was not able to do a voice over because chemotherapy affected him badly. His last video was uploaded by his wife/girlfriend that he died…
@@MrLexorate =/
Just found your videos and i must say that they are something extra :) Love it!
0:14 you can notice Ghostlands in the distance on the left side
Whoa this is trippy. I never knew about this, after playing all these years lol.
I miss you, Hayven.
Ah takes me back. Even playing warcraft 3 It never really sank in that you were in helfire penisula despite it saying; the game was probably too fun to take notice :D
Sadly as a kid I never got a chance to go beyond the dark portal for wc2 since I didn't have the expansion, until a few years after wow and got a rerelease of warcraft 2. To find new content on a game I played since I was 6; that was an experience beyond imagination ^^
It has been over a year now. God damn it, I miss you.
Awesome video man! I love the live version of Hellfire Peninsula (yeah, actually), and I'm glad they ended up ditching the mushrooms.
your best video yet, congratulations
I love all ur videos it's so nostalgic and calming! Excellent production value
Fun fact: A stump of one of the original Hellfire Peninsula giant mushrooms can be found in the live version near the Temple of Telhamat.
The good always die young...
Your videos are amazing, I also love the narrating. Keep up the good work man! Much love
I'm still pretty sore about the whole "broken Outland portal" thing introduced with _Warlords_, myself. It just doesn't make any sense that the Blasted Lands portal will send lower-level players to Outland, but the Outland portal is inert. Then again, the Blasted Lands portal was inert for quite some time, too, so I dunno... Blizzard does dumb things.
Going back to previous expansions is like going back in time, you can go back to Icecrown Citadel and see Arthas, even though he's dead.
Ah, I found that area in Deadmines awhile back while the Priest levitate bug still worked.
For those who are not aware, Hellfire Peninsula is also a Warlords of Draenor zone as well. You'll see it in Tanaan Jungle.
As much as I like the Live version of Hellfire, I feel this version is much better and does a very greater job at capturing the Hellfire that was known from WC2 and 3. If only Blizz stuck with this dedication to the existing lore they once had back in Vanilla instead of altering and retconning the existing lore every expac to fit with what they want to do. I still remember from the Vanilla Making of disc that they were originally only going to give the Druid class to Night Elf MALES. Now that is dedication to lore.
Your videos are awesome, it's really detailed and precise content, and your voice is relaxing :D
Your videos are a real pleasure.
hmm. The Old ruined way fits better for me than the current live version. Thrallmar is too out of place. +Those mushroom trees needs to be somewhere else than just the at the end of Hellfire
This channel is amazing ! Kudos
For people asking if we should get 1.13 or TBC after Naxx is cleared on Classic - as this video shows, we can have both. Vanilla had so many things in development that it could keep going for at least another year of back-to-back releases. I dearly hope that Blizzard remembers this.
There was something eerily beautiful about the original Hellfire. I do prefer the live version but I would love to have been able to explore this version. Anyways, I know I'm a year late, but Light be with you, Hayven.
Love your videos!! keep up the excelent work Hayven :D
It was removed in mist because it got replaced. R.I.P. Hayven Games.
amazing as always!
You deserve more subscribers. Awesome vids :)
Amazing video and nice to see how Hellfire evolved :D, it would be nice to see also the similarities and differences between Tanaan and Hellfire :D, keep up the good work :)
hmm wouldnt have minded playing in that version of hellfire, looks pretty cool
Great video as always!
This blew my mind
I really love your Vids :D and this Time with voiceover.. really nice :D
Pretty sure the Black Citadel in TFT isn't Black Temple, but rather Hellfire Citadel. Makes a lot more sense, since that is also where you find and fight the imprisoned Magtheridon in WoW
Sweet, another video!
Cool video! Are you going to make video about programmers island in the future? Not that one with big kraken structure, but the other one with a lot of things put in one place and where, I heard, were even some quests.
+Николай Колобов yeah i don't even know why i haven't done that already to be honest
omg your voice
Very good content, keep it up ! (i rarely comment on videos that how good your content is lol)
+Thomas Billot haha, thanks ^^ glad you like, got a lot more of this series in the works
Yet another fantastic video! I love your channel
nice video. never seen the real alpha footage bevore.
It's because of Hayven that I wish Blizzard would do a release of Warcraft 1 & 2
Once Legion comes out, could you do a comparison of the old Emerald Dream zone and Legion's Emerald Dreamway?
+Reign Stradamus actually, emerald dream is the reason i came up with this series in the first place actually. going to make it in the near future, been waiting for legion to develop. Its going to be a video about ED from before the old version (there were earlier ones) through the times we visit it in quests in retail up to the legion raid.
Doot Doot says the Fel Reaver!
Very interesting video!
sick video once more!
They should finish too, the cut content for the release of new vanilla servers. The overall point would be to give a reason for players who anyway played vanilla. Any time a franchise pays attention to its core concepts and players, tyoucally leads to success for the franchise. For instance, finish vanilla-outland and copy it as a replacement to blasted lands. There failed to originally be much in blasted lands in vanilla.
This way Blizzard keeps to their original promise that they dislike 'repeating' themselves.
love these videos
i will tell you how i feel Hayven, i feel sad. i feel proud. i love you man. if god is not a lie, i will meet yo one day my man. and we will play wow for eternity
In the alpha build of old hellfire peninsula at the alliance ruins there is a ruined somewhat overgrown temple structure. There is a closer look of it in the Wow secrets - Old Outland video. I was wondering if this prop exists anywhere in the live servers?
me in 2016, watching the video for the first time: who gives a shit about your opinion, early thrallmar is ugly!
me in 2019, watching the video for the X time and having played classic: you're absolutely right hayven, early thrallmar was gorgeous.
me in 2019, watching the outro and hearing yard sale: still can't believe that you are gone, hayven..
Great video.
I love your videos man!:)
Amazing look into the past. I remember being blown away the first time I stepped through the Portal and saw the red hellscape and giant demon, but you could never make a zone like that today. Aside from the cool skybox, Hellfire doesn't really offer much in terms of visuals. Orange landscape with some brown mountains. Not as memorable as other parts of Outland.
I think that lack of mushrooms could be explained by the orcs and humans chopping them down for building materials.
God I love your videos, please keep doing more!!
Imagine if the Outland content had been a part of the Vanilla game. Karazhan was clearly meant to be a Vanilla raid.
Amazing amazing content
R.I.P
Heh, I have both boxed EU and NA versions of vanilla WoW from launch. Kind of crazy to think what you could find if you were dedicated enough to get it running.
wow, for a moment there I thought the warcraft 3 tutorial guy was here to tell me some info.
good video
RIP..... I miss your voice and content man
I love watching your content man its so good! How are you doing anyway you sound great ^-^/
+Jennifer Dobbie unfortunately it turned out my first treatment didn't work, so i've been on a new medicine since a few weeks back. i feel much better, but we'll know if it works in a few weeks on the next scans. fingers crossed, i do frequent updates on twitter about it and will do a proper update here when i know how this new med turns out
I hope this new treatment works for you, im not on twitter but i look forward to seeing you video update on youtube :)
awesome stuff keep it up :)
Love your videos man! You just earned yourself a subscriber!
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Definately like the expansiveness of the one we have in outland, the old place looks a little small, in my opinion, but i wish they kept the mushrooms the old ones had, otherwise, i love them both..
Honor Holds: the newer one looks nicer to me, though it could ALSO be using ruined buildings in addition to the no doubt recently-repaired ones.
Thrallmars: DEFINATELY loving the old thrallmar a bit more, all those ancient, orcish buildings have a HISTORY to them even more vast than the human's, just like the land they were built on.. you don't quite get that feeling with polished structures.
Pools of Aggonar: No comment, really, like them both.
The Hellfire we got in TBC is very cool, but they should have kept at least some of the old dries up mushrooms and mushroom trunks to soothe the WC3 fanboys and keep the lore of hte zone intact. Also, the alliance and horde buildings should have had a reddish haze brick color since they were made from bricks quarried in Hellfire. Floating trees didnt make any sense so i am glad they scrapped that.
I think that when they were working in alpha WOW, they had great ambitions for hte world, and so they left 2 large zones unfinished: Hellfire and Mount Hyjal.
Much amaze!
Mushroom = lumber in Warcraft 3, guess peninsula has too much construction went on.
RIP
love these. at first I didn't really like HFP, but it's starting to grow on me the more time I level there. do we know why there's that little area outside of the deadmines?
When thay scrap designs, Blizzard devs don't erase it, just in case they need those assets. Instead, they move it and hide it, out of the range of players, however sometimes it's not that "out of range"...
hmm, that's interesting. didn't think they'd actually need to physically place the objects in the world to keep the assets
+goosearev that's because it's easier to copy an existing object than spawning it. As Hayven mentioned several times in the video, those assets are being used right now in live servers.
Perhaps the mushrooms are like tumbleweed?
Don't know if they actually contacted you, but your video was featured on a German WoW newssite (buffed de)!
+MusterM1a they didn't, but i checked it out after seeing your comment. thats pretty cool :)
Its a shame you don't walk through the Dark Portal anymore to get to the BC Zones.
+Zenix You do before level 90, and after that you can talk to an NPC in Blasted Lands to change it back so you can.
+Zenix You still can...just talk to the bronze dragonflight NPC at the entrance of the Blasted Lands and ask her to show you the zone before the Iron Horde invasion. Bam! You now got the original Dark Portal which you can use to go to Outland.
So technically, you can get to this place if you somehow manage to not die from Fatigue, pre-2.0?
No. There was no connection between the Eastern Kingdoms and the Hellfire Peninsula. So just swimming wouldn't have got you there even if you could have avoided fatigue. You can see that really well when he shows the map: It shows landmasses and water, but there is only blackness between the continent and the testing zone.
I never feared the fel reaver. Aggro range isn't hard to learn haha
+GusMiccy Was never the aggro range we feared, it was the low draw distance at the start of TBC that let him sneak up on you ;)
+GusMiccy When i saw it for the 1 time it was a WTF moment xd u are busy doing quest then u hear his scream look around and u see this giant :D
+GusMiccy When i saw it for the 1 time it was a WTF moment xd u are busy doing quest then u hear his scream look around and u see this giant :D