@Joe Achilles, you too and keep making great content. I love it. BTW, if you are interested in reviewing an IS500, let me know. I would be happy to provide mine as the test vehicle and since it is in the US my family and I would be happy to host you.
That other driver: blind-spot or just bad timing with looking around and just looked away as you approached him. Well done for avoiding it. Your reaction was exactly the same as the one's I've had lol. Merry Christmas.
@@jkliao6486 Nope;) Changing his speed would have changed his timeline position. Joe and the other driver would have intersected that point at different times. Also by speeding, one lowers the time variable for an accident; more speed means less time for the chance of an accident thus faster is safer (okay, I admit that the increase in the speed variable might negate the decrease in the time factor).
I feel like some of us drive in such a way, which eventually ensures others don’t crash! Great save, Joe and glad you’re okay. That peanut doesn’t deserve to be behind a wheel. Ever.
I've owned five TT's, from the mk1, mk2 TTS and TTRS and mk3 TTS and TTRS. Always worked for me, I don't need the rear seats, but did need the luggage space for fishing gear. My 2019 TTRS was sold a short while ago. Fantastic car, still turned heads and plenty fast enough for daily use. I miss it, now in a new RS4 as finally I have accepted my fate and need more room. The price of this car is nuts, my TTRS was £60k when I ordered it, but then Audi know people will pay it and all 100 will go like hot cakes. Shame they didn't make a mk4 based on the new RS3, that would have been awesome.
I too have had a similar RS3 journey and now also have a RS4. Due to the inclusion of a dog (outvoted by wife and daughters) into our family, our (last version to be non OPF) 2018 RS3, with a heavy heart, had to go. The sound that car made with stock Sports Exhaust (unlike the newest model) was utterly savage. Got to say though, love the RS4….its so multipurpose, equally as quick and definitely turns heads...
Great video Joe. I took my 21 year old TT out for a spin this morning, the first time in two months. Clearly mine isn't in that price bracket. It's still great fun though. Anyway, merry Christmas, I hope you have a good one.👍
6:35 you can see Joe is using 1ft of rollout on the timer (top right). This reduces the 0 to 60 time by about 0.3 (Audi will not use any rollout as is standard outside of USA).
@@InfoAction_ The clock doesn't start until the car has moved a foot. Comes from the days of drag strip timing lights. Modern cars launch so hard that it makes quite a difference and Audi will not have used rollout in their official figures (outside USA)
The only time my TTRS had the back seats up was when I collected it. It does such a good job of hauling my golf clubs around that I can’t see it going any time soon which is unusual
Being the owner of a 2021 TTRS, I’m really not a fan of the aero fins on the front of the car, nor that additional height of the wing on the back, which looks like it came off of someone’s modified 1995 Honda Accord.
First of all Joe thank you for all the awesome content in 2022, wishing you all the Best for 2023 - an even bigger and better year. You must have been driving in stealth mode for the drive to not see you 🤣 but hey these things happen. Happy New year all the best Brother.
All the best Joe, cheers for the great content. Audi what are you thinking charging £85k + for a TT RS and not giving it any extra power or torque above the standard TTRS ...absolutely barmy, get 6 month old BMW M5 Comp for £75k, no brainer !.
I used to jog in LA, and I discovered real quickly that people tend to look left to the near lane of oncoming traffic and barely glance to the right. I used to deliberately slam against cars that didn't stop properly when they crossed the sidewalk without looking to the right. I saw them do it with car traffic a lot also.
Another good video Joe. Shame about the close shave but at least that's all it was. Yup the TT is not for me, even if I was able to afford it! I'll stick with what I have methinks. Happy Christmas to you!
Great review as usual. Entertaining even without the incident - it happens, but impressed you didn’t have more expletives. And on that point… this might actually something to raise with all car manufacturers. I like to think I’m a pretty decent driver, but a couple years back I completely didn’t see a car coming down the road as I was turning right out of a junction. Nothing happened but I’ve more and more noticed just how much space the left hand drivers mirror and a piller take up. Surely car manufacturers should be less concerned about having super strong a pliers in case on the very very rare occasion a car might flip, and ensure better visibility on the a pillars.
Very true. Sometimes in such occasions the A pillars can block a full bus! Also, daytime running lights are another dumb step in the wrong direction. Lights are not just to see, but also to be seen.
3.28 secs to 60, that's nearly the same as the legendary McLaren F1!! Get your mind round that!! Such a shame many sporty coupes like the TT won't be replaced - thanks partly due to the SUV craze and partly to even more stringent emission legislation. I wonder how long the likes of BWM 2 series will hang on...
The 2 series will probably live on longer simply because BMW will continue making inline 6 engines, whereas audi is killing it's 5 cylinder production line with the TTRS and R8 (and the huracan of course). Even the RS3 looks like it's near the end when they stop taking orders.
Great video Joe, enjoyed the content this year. TTRS not my bag, but the winds of change have consigned the iconic TT to history, which is a shame….especially as it’s shrugged off its “hairdresser” image and is a proper little sports car. We’ll miss this type of car in 5 years time….
This is definitely the coolest version of the TTRS, glad to see a proper farewell. I almost bought one instead of my 21 M2C, but the S55 is just a way more exciting engine, despite the cool factor of the 5 cylinder, plus Im not ready to move away from manuals. I hated the (very) hard limiter right at 6800rpm, and the speed always felt a bit more like a novelty. It's super quick to 60, but it's the kind of car that honestly feels a bit dangerous in turns, the chassis balance is all over the place because they push the engine all the way to the front, hanging out over the front wheels. It's the kind of car that's exciting to look at, but I think would become boring after a few weeks of ownership. Also, Joe, if the Carbon Ceramic brakes aren't available at all on this Iconic Edition, it's because they had alot of problems expelling heat. If I remember, the rotors would start to come apart, and I remember reading a few cases of guys on track who had the CCB's get so overheated that the calipers were melting. I was going to spec a TTRS with CCB's, but after test driving one equipped with them and being very underwhelmed, on top of reading all the horror stories about the CCB's on the Audi forums, they seemed like a pretty dumb decision. The standard brakes aren't amazing, but if the Iconic Edition can't be equipped with CCB's, I guess at least Audi was aware of the issues with their CCB's and isn't continuing to sell a very expensive, very flawed brake option. Overall, very glad I went for a manual M2C over a TTRS. Though, I am happy to see a proper swan song for the 5 cylinder TTRS.
Happy holidays Joe! Brilliant video as always! On the other hand this seems like a marketing trim for this car, but being an Audi and limited edition, it will hold its value quite ok
People that drive like that idiot in the beginning should NOT have a drivers license at all. How they even got one to begin with is beyond me. "I go now good luck everybody else" If you know, you know
I think everyone misses the point with this car, its 1 of 11 in the UK for eg so your buying a collector car, simple as that. They will all be sold no problem I think and will be locked away never to be driven. I do think they should have come with carbon ceramics, alcantara headlining and even more done to the interior, perhaps got rid of back seats and done a rear cage/crossmember etc and done some fancy bucket seats but they probably knew full well they wont be driven so why bother haha,
lol Spanish drivers so close Joe!! I`m always a bit nervous driving there after the new year for my 90 days in the sun( south spain) thanks to brexit!!!! cant wait after watching this.
The car doesn't actually feel like it has more torque, in fact, no car does. You actually don't feel a car's torque from the driver's seat. What you're really feeling is the low RPM power because of the improvements in making the car lighter.
The Porsche 992 GT wing suits a bigger car, like a 992… Not sure how I feel about it being put on a car so small. The 8J had a perfect wing for the car size.
The standard RS wing for this 8S generation was also perfectly sized. This wing is a tad visually ridiculous; it is functional, but at odds with the design heritage of the model.
In my opinion, Audi missed an easy opportunity to make this car much more dynamic than they did. With just a front LSD, better tires and a better alignment, it could easily transform this car into something special out of the box, instead of leaving it to the aftermarket to fill those gaps.
Glad you’re okay after that close call. I’ve never been a TT fan. Whilst more subtle on the eye, the equivalent baby BMW coupe has always been the more authentic drivers cars but I think there is space for both. It would have been very interesting to see a new TT spun off the same chassis tech as the RS3 and Golf R. That could really have been something to bridge the gap. looking forward to more great content in 2023! Hope you have a well deserved break.
It truly feels like RS3 had moved on and left its sibling in the dust. They should have done TT a proper send off and put that trick diff from RS3 into this car. And then, maybe it could justify the price tag on this car. At the moment, it just doesn't make any sense that you get a LOT more car from the RS3 than this with a LOT less money, and the value in this car only lies in its rarity rather than what the car can do.
Greg cars are sometimes hard to see I notice when pulling grout as they can camp against the road or sky, especially in England. I’ve nearly pulled out in a grey car a couple of times
What I notice is how loud those paddle shifts are when changing gear. Or is that just me? Imagine 000 of 100..... bump...Ouch, sorry Audi, here is your car back. Good save btw
You're just buying the iconic edition for the cosmetics basically. They only did it as a cash grab since they discontinued the TT RS. If the TT RS wasn't discontinued and they did a refresh like the 8Y RS3 then I think it would be worth it for the money.
Those super smooth roads suit the Audi TT suspension which, in my opinion, is its worst feature. My considerably cheaper TT roadster with the quattro system on the 19inch wheels pitches about on the dreadful UK roads ( have a good Christmas Joe)
Rubbish. Have my TTRS Vorsprung mag ride in comfort and the ride on UK roads is just fine. Worst feature is the brakes and windows that freeze, so door won't shut.
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Have a wonderful holiday break everyone! Thanks for the amazing support this year ❤️
Happy Christmas Joe
@Joe Achilles, you too and keep making great content. I love it.
BTW, if you are interested in reviewing an IS500, let me know. I would be happy to provide mine as the test vehicle and since it is in the US my family and I would be happy to host you.
Does Rossa Corsa solid work on the m4? It's growing on me.
Beautiful car. Joe Achilles well done for perfectly anticipating that and quick reflex. You’re safe and that’s what matters.
That other driver: blind-spot or just bad timing with looking around and just looked away as you approached him. Well done for avoiding it. Your reaction was exactly the same as the one's I've had lol.
Merry Christmas.
Joe was too slow. If he had been pushing it, his timeline would have been different, and he would not have had a close one:)
@@ByronWalter No, he would have an accident rather than a close one :)
@@jkliao6486 Nope;) Changing his speed would have changed his timeline position. Joe and the other driver would have intersected that point at different times. Also by speeding, one lowers the time variable for an accident; more speed means less time for the chance of an accident thus faster is safer (okay, I admit that the increase in the speed variable might negate the decrease in the time factor).
What gesture was the chap making to Joe afterwards? Couldn't tell, but didn't appear apologetic
@@AntneeUK he was apologising and was doing " 🙏" this
I feel like some of us drive in such a way, which eventually ensures others don’t crash! Great save, Joe and glad you’re okay. That peanut doesn’t deserve to be behind a wheel. Ever.
Competition, Performance, Plus, Iconic edition...The people that are in charge of naming the special Audi's should really make up their mind.
First! Loving the video!
Love the 5-Cylinder ❤️
Good save!!! Merry Christmas J & L 😘
What a car! Gutted the TT-RS is being discontinued! Beast!
might be a good investment they wont go down in price
@@blademanx For sure!
I've owned five TT's, from the mk1, mk2 TTS and TTRS and mk3 TTS and TTRS. Always worked for me, I don't need the rear seats, but did need the luggage space for fishing gear. My 2019 TTRS was sold a short while ago. Fantastic car, still turned heads and plenty fast enough for daily use. I miss it, now in a new RS4 as finally I have accepted my fate and need more room. The price of this car is nuts, my TTRS was £60k when I ordered it, but then Audi know people will pay it and all 100 will go like hot cakes. Shame they didn't make a mk4 based on the new RS3, that would have been awesome.
I too have had a similar RS3 journey and now also have a RS4. Due to the inclusion of a dog (outvoted by wife and daughters) into our family, our (last version to be non OPF) 2018 RS3, with a heavy heart, had to go. The sound that car made with stock Sports Exhaust
(unlike the newest model) was utterly savage. Got to say though, love the RS4….its so multipurpose, equally as quick and definitely turns heads...
@@CCN-tu2kr2023 RS3 with APR exhaust (US model) sounds just fine
Two holy 💩moments, the first being that price ! On point as usual and understandably underwhelmed. Merry Christmas joe
Nice save Joe! Stay safe out there!
Great video Joe. I took my 21 year old TT out for a spin this morning, the first time in two months. Clearly mine isn't in that price bracket. It's still great fun though.
Anyway, merry Christmas, I hope you have a good one.👍
Without the surprise 🎄MERRY CHRISTMAS🎄Thank you for such content! Roll on 2023!!
Wonder how joe would've reacted if the cameras weren't on 😅
Merry Christmas pal. Thanks for another amazing year of content.
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Being a professional driver he has probably dealt with numerous similar situations before, so his reaction is tamed accordingly.
6:35 you can see Joe is using 1ft of rollout on the timer (top right). This reduces the 0 to 60 time by about 0.3 (Audi will not use any rollout as is standard outside of USA).
A lot of tubers do this, it makes the 0 to 60 more sensational
So does that mean the first ft of the launch isn’t counted in the 0-60 time? Is it to account for initial wheel spin?
@@InfoAction_ The clock doesn't start until the car has moved a foot. Comes from the days of drag strip timing lights.
Modern cars launch so hard that it makes quite a difference and Audi will not have used rollout in their official figures (outside USA)
@@An.Individual interesting, always wondered why Joe commonly gets better 0-60 times than the manufacturer claims
The only time my TTRS had the back seats up was when I collected it. It does such a good job of hauling my golf clubs around that I can’t see it going any time soon which is unusual
Being the owner of a 2021 TTRS, I’m really not a fan of the aero fins on the front of the car, nor that additional height of the wing on the back, which looks like it came off of someone’s modified 1995 Honda Accord.
My bro!! Glad you are safe. Wonderful review as usual. Merry Christmas
I used to own ttrs and tuned it stage 2. Its good all round sport car,but it can't give me feeling of ultimate driving machine like bmw M give me.
Whew!😅That was close. Good job on eyes up seeing that coming.
First of all Joe thank you for all the awesome content in 2022, wishing you all the Best for 2023 - an even bigger and better year. You must have been driving in stealth mode for the drive to not see you 🤣 but hey these things happen. Happy New year all the best Brother.
All the best Joe, cheers for the great content. Audi what are you thinking charging £85k + for a TT RS and not giving it any extra power or torque above the standard TTRS ...absolutely barmy, get 6 month old BMW M5 Comp for £75k, no brainer !.
I used to jog in LA, and I discovered real quickly that people tend to look left to the near lane of oncoming traffic and barely glance to the right. I used to deliberately slam against cars that didn't stop properly when they crossed the sidewalk without looking to the right. I saw them do it with car traffic a lot also.
Don't be your own personal police, I can't stand those people
Marry Christmas Joe. That was a close one
Happy holidays to you, keep up these amazing videos, and that was a close call🤷🏼♂️
What’s not to like- awesome- color looking amazing too
How close was that!! At least you had a dash cam 😬 if you had to explain that to Audi
Another good video Joe. Shame about the close shave but at least that's all it was. Yup the TT is not for me, even if I was able to afford it! I'll stick with what I have methinks. Happy Christmas to you!
Absolutely love it 🤌🤌
Breaking distance has really improved 😂
Cheers man. That Audi looks sick.
Well done Joe. It seems to like VW cars a lot lately since u test so many of them.
Light grey colours often blend in with the road and rocky landscapes, something to remember when buying a car
That was a close call 🤣 nice video mate!
Great review as usual. Entertaining even without the incident - it happens, but impressed you didn’t have more expletives.
And on that point… this might actually something to raise with all car manufacturers.
I like to think I’m a pretty decent driver, but a couple years back I completely didn’t see a car coming down the road as I was turning right out of a junction. Nothing happened but I’ve more and more noticed just how much space the left hand drivers mirror and a piller take up. Surely car manufacturers should be less concerned about having super strong a pliers in case on the very very rare occasion a car might flip, and ensure better visibility on the a pillars.
Very true. Sometimes in such occasions the A pillars can block a full bus! Also, daytime running lights are another dumb step in the wrong direction. Lights are not just to see, but also to be seen.
3.28 secs to 60, that's nearly the same as the legendary McLaren F1!! Get your mind round that!!
Such a shame many sporty coupes like the TT won't be replaced - thanks partly due to the SUV craze and partly to even more stringent emission legislation. I wonder how long the likes of BWM 2 series will hang on...
The 2 series will probably live on longer simply because BMW will continue making inline 6 engines, whereas audi is killing it's 5 cylinder production line with the TTRS and R8 (and the huracan of course). Even the RS3 looks like it's near the end when they stop taking orders.
Great video Joe, enjoyed the content this year. TTRS not my bag, but the winds of change have consigned the iconic TT to history, which is a shame….especially as it’s shrugged off its “hairdresser” image and is a proper little sports car. We’ll miss this type of car in 5 years time….
It's not that great on a mountain road, just buy a used 911
I was watching this at the beginning thinking Harry Metcalfe’s road test route looks fresh and sunny 😂
16:17 dont forgot that this is a limited edition only 100 cars so the price is normal
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This engine is damn near perfect, need to throw it into all the cars
0:15 i know i shouldn't be laughing at that but for some reason had to lol anyway like always stunning video joe !!!
7:30 min - fast!! 👊
I nearly fell off the chair when that car was merging into the lane lol
almost crash footage at 18:07
This is definitely the coolest version of the TTRS, glad to see a proper farewell. I almost bought one instead of my 21 M2C, but the S55 is just a way more exciting engine, despite the cool factor of the 5 cylinder, plus Im not ready to move away from manuals. I hated the (very) hard limiter right at 6800rpm, and the speed always felt a bit more like a novelty. It's super quick to 60, but it's the kind of car that honestly feels a bit dangerous in turns, the chassis balance is all over the place because they push the engine all the way to the front, hanging out over the front wheels. It's the kind of car that's exciting to look at, but I think would become boring after a few weeks of ownership.
Also, Joe, if the Carbon Ceramic brakes aren't available at all on this Iconic Edition, it's because they had alot of problems expelling heat. If I remember, the rotors would start to come apart, and I remember reading a few cases of guys on track who had the CCB's get so overheated that the calipers were melting. I was going to spec a TTRS with CCB's, but after test driving one equipped with them and being very underwhelmed, on top of reading all the horror stories about the CCB's on the Audi forums, they seemed like a pretty dumb decision. The standard brakes aren't amazing, but if the Iconic Edition can't be equipped with CCB's, I guess at least Audi was aware of the issues with their CCB's and isn't continuing to sell a very expensive, very flawed brake option.
Overall, very glad I went for a manual M2C over a TTRS. Though, I am happy to see a proper swan song for the 5 cylinder TTRS.
Love your strategy Joe.
Send it to Copart and it becomes much better value: Genius 😂
Well avoided.
Hope you had a Great Christmas
😄👍
This is when you can say you made a car like Thriller. It’s a hit.
only thing that could make this thing worth anywhere near 90k is if it had the rear diff from the 8y rs3
Happy holidays Joe! Brilliant video as always!
On the other hand this seems like a marketing trim for this car, but being an Audi and limited edition, it will hold its value quite ok
People that drive like that idiot in the beginning should NOT have a drivers license at all. How they even got one to begin with is beyond me.
"I go now good luck everybody else"
If you know, you know
They do have some daft rules on tge continent about side roads having priority but that's in villages
The car looks stunning but no extra power? No weight savings? Definitely definately not worth the money!!!
jesus fckn christ that ending. I would have been SO. MAD.
Jesus.. After owning an TTRS myself, that ending almost gave mini heart attack.
Many thanks for the great videos! Happy Christmas 🎄 and a happy new year 🥳
I think everyone misses the point with this car, its 1 of 11 in the UK for eg so your buying a collector car, simple as that. They will all be sold no problem I think and will be locked away never to be driven. I do think they should have come with carbon ceramics, alcantara headlining and even more done to the interior, perhaps got rid of back seats and done a rear cage/crossmember etc and done some fancy bucket seats but they probably knew full well they wont be driven so why bother haha,
Always very good reviews and informative. Amazing content
lol Spanish drivers so close Joe!! I`m always a bit nervous driving there after the new year for my 90 days in the sun( south spain) thanks to brexit!!!! cant wait after watching this.
It's a punch in the gut that these are going.
'everything feels really expensive'.......it is. 😉
Agree, 911 or even a hot Cayman for that money every day of the week.
Perfect TT
The car doesn't actually feel like it has more torque, in fact, no car does. You actually don't feel a car's torque from the driver's seat. What you're really feeling is the low RPM power because of the improvements in making the car lighter.
Amazing car
Man this thing just screams Honda. I love it
It's the worst when someone does that but them says they're sorry. Now you're feeling bad about getting mad at them 😆😆
The guy who went onto the road looked like he did that on purpose. Good save. Cheers
the almost crashed scene, 18:07
You're welcome
The Porsche 992 GT wing suits a bigger car, like a 992… Not sure how I feel about it being put on a car so small. The 8J had a perfect wing for the car size.
The standard RS wing for this 8S generation was also perfectly sized. This wing is a tad visually ridiculous; it is functional, but at odds with the design heritage of the model.
In my opinion, Audi missed an easy opportunity to make this car much more dynamic than they did. With just a front LSD, better tires and a better alignment, it could easily transform this car into something special out of the box, instead of leaving it to the aftermarket to fill those gaps.
Just get the new RS3
I got a TT RS and its like a magnet for old people doing that kind of shite... i always drive with the day lights on...
Thank God no one get injured God bless 🙏
Glad you’re okay after that close call. I’ve never been a TT fan. Whilst more subtle on the eye, the equivalent baby BMW coupe has always been the more authentic drivers cars but I think there is space for both. It would have been very interesting to see a new TT spun off the same chassis tech as the RS3 and Golf R. That could really have been something to bridge the gap.
looking forward to more great content in 2023! Hope you have a well deserved break.
Great reaction!
does it have the same awd system as the latest rs3?
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Hello Joe , would you compare TT vs M2 ?
im not joe, but have a stage 2 ttrs and had an m2 and the m2 is better in every single way apart from grip haha
@@tomw3102 thx for the comment 👍🏻. That would make sense with m2 being red and going sideways 😆
Open the video and said to my self:"¡¡ España!! Calor y Sol".....hot and sunny....and those Funky Seniors on the road..😕😜
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It truly feels like RS3 had moved on and left its sibling in the dust. They should have done TT a proper send off and put that trick diff from RS3 into this car. And then, maybe it could justify the price tag on this car. At the moment, it just doesn't make any sense that you get a LOT more car from the RS3 than this with a LOT less money, and the value in this car only lies in its rarity rather than what the car can do.
close one!!!
Greg cars are sometimes hard to see I notice when pulling grout as they can camp against the road or sky, especially in England. I’ve nearly pulled out in a grey car a couple of times
I suppose all cars will display 001 / 100, which technically will be correct and make it 'appear' more unique?
Great car, but I'm not sure the price matches what's essentially a Super Saiyan Golf.
What a Plank 2 Pull Out like That .That would Have Cost Him /Her ?
I don't get it why Audi didn't put more hp into this edition.
What I notice is how loud those paddle shifts are when changing gear. Or is that just me? Imagine 000 of 100..... bump...Ouch, sorry Audi, here is your car back. Good save btw
Omg @0.41 cam angle 😎
Hi Joe.
Wow, that really was a near miss!
No back up camera ? ROTFL
90k har har 🥸
You're just buying the iconic edition for the cosmetics basically. They only did it as a cash grab since they discontinued the TT RS. If the TT RS wasn't discontinued and they did a refresh like the 8Y RS3 then I think it would be worth it for the money.
Love Audi TT's . I hate the grey tho, it looks like undercoat. The wing looks good if you are 18 . Not worth £87k. Sorry
Do the seats come in different options
well the brakes work great at least
Grey paint highest amount of crashes
Those super smooth roads suit the Audi TT suspension which, in my opinion, is its worst feature. My considerably cheaper TT roadster with the quattro system on the 19inch wheels pitches about on the dreadful UK roads ( have a good Christmas Joe)
Rubbish. Have my TTRS Vorsprung mag ride in comfort and the ride on UK roads is just fine. Worst feature is the brakes and windows that freeze, so door won't shut.
The color of the car doesn't help for visibility to others. But more likely just wasn't paying attention. Luckily, you were going slower.
Luckily you were driving slow and the Best thing is that you are safe.
3.2 s to 60mph ? is allright right ?
No bmw doing that
Why are you not telling people you're using rollout? That's very dishonest