Can the Western Cape become its own country?
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- The Western Cape is roughly the same size as England and has close to 7 million people residing in the province. In recent months, hundreds of thousands of people have been calling for it to split away from South Africa and become its own country. Speaking to those advocating for this split as well as legal experts, we take a look at what that process would look like and if it would legally be possible.
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That's the dumbest thing that could happen.
Broo!! 😪
@Wajdi Edross, I completely agree with you.
For what it's worth I think the issue here is a financial one, caused by poor governance, greed, and corruption. If it is true that the Western Cape contributes R 185 billion in taxes and is only allocated 25% of that back in order to run the province then we have really lost before we've even started. The problem is probably the same in the other provinces. Nothing will change until the politics change. As well as the DA has done in running the Western Cape they will always be hamstrung financially. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.
The rest of the county goes to crap under BEE rule
Have you, in your capacity, made an attempt to educate people on how taxes fund government programmes? The majority of ANC supporters, especially in the rural areas don't know. They think that the money comes from the pockets of the ANC.
Also, market the party you want to win come 2024. The EFF is gaining on the DA because it's visible on the ground. It goes to the small towns and villages that the DA and other non-white parties do/will not.
People are tired of the ANC and will take just about anything that will position itself as the opposition. Have the DA (the most palatable "non-black" party) make itself known in NC, EC, NW and FS
Well said Mr Connolly that's where it lies as Mr Connolly just stated
@@motionenergy808 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@@donaldgray2128 Well said,though I'm not in favor of Cape Independence,I mean just imagine explicitly looking for black managers for a business during hiring and avoid white applicants then call it transformation, so much for democracy.
NAH WE DONT NEED TO SEPERATE WE JUST NEED TO UNITE TO KICK OUT THE ANC
But that's the thing, through racial propaganda and BEE they keep the people divided and fighting eachother. As any government out there fears when their own people unite against them, and the ANC especially doesn't like to lose control and will play dirty and bend the law as they see fit to stay in power.
And replace them with the red hats? OOf.....
True.
@@melon9680 You just miss apartheid and never too time to understand the impact of the policies. That's your problem.
@@JK-gu3tl Let's be frank the party gunning for the separation of Western Cape is created in accordance with the dissatisfaction of black majority rule not about the sincere unification of the people.
Funny how the Khoi, I mean the real Khoi are left out. I mean their language is not even inlcuded in this country but Sign Languge is recognized. I dont undermine sign language I am merely saying how Bad this is for our people to not recognize the first descendants
It's terrible.
What's more appalling is people say nothing about this.
@@vanessawebb1754 the worst part is their descendants want credit and power and are too leaving out the Khoi. We need this to be tabled in parliament
Khoikhoi needs to have their own academics to write their own indigenous language, with regards to Khoikhoi being left haven’t you seen your tribal chief being recognised by the government like other tribal leaders?
@@YahshralaWitness true, they have been doing it by its a small scale thing. Anyways can you explain the tribal chief story?
@Joe Moer rubbish is you not knowing who we are talking about.
Western Cape, please take the Northern Cape with you, we have minerals to help build a strong economy
@Armo Moose I suspect most of those cANCer voters are in Kimberly, so let them keep it. It doesn't belong in the Cape - geographically it is OFS.
Can I ask a question why would u hop on a sinking ship like that
The NCape is welcome however south africa has 8 provinces (NCape residents included) consistently supporting policies and a direction that the people in the Cape do not support. We can't force NCape people to join when they don't want to.
It is up to you to talk to and convince others of the benefits and potential benefits.(This is how we've been doing it: from the ground up and talking to others, spreading the message etc.)
The Cape wants a divorce due to irreconcilable differences e.g ideological
@@quadroblox4872 Why stay on a sinking ship?
@@amohelangmashego1053 Actually there are only 14% whites in the WC. The movement to secede is supported by the people of the Western Cape - nothing to do with race, but about economic survival.
Can you people give South Africa peace just for one day, but be assured that will never happen, western cape belongs to all South Africans. Even a person who lives in Musinga.
Well said
@Christopher Walker , everyone is fed up with ANC, it will lose power gradually, Gauteng will become the next Province after Western Cape to be led by another Party, not ANC. Now , it's time for change.
It's a stupid, crazy idea. As Fadiel Adams, a proponent of this idea, says, it won't be bloodless. It will lead to civil war, which no one wins. And there goes your pension as well, which you have been contributing to for yrs. This is a dangerous idea, which people do not understand. I have seen quite a lot of this on internet vids, it is very much led by people who were in the old Conservative Party. Verkramptes. The Mulder brothers, Connies sons.
@Christopher Walker try to erase our history as a country that shit will never happen unless u want war u nazi and your European friends thy tried to do it in Ukraine but thy failed thanks to the greatest leaders Mr Vladimir puting keep uniting Russia frm this Barrick nazi so called west
@@vusivusi9435 now you are just talking nonsense. No one can respond to nonsense.
The Western Cape and the western half of Northern Cape Province historically and culturally belong together. These regions should become a joint independent republic. The rest of South Africa and the ANC government treat us with disdain and like outcasts already. I fully support an independent Cape Republic, perhaps called Capricornia.
Who are u??
If we ever get independence we most definitely wouldn't pick that name, most likely they'll slap on the name of Cape something.
I would include Eastern Cape despite being coloured . I also have family in Gauteng and Kwazulu-Natal.
@@la23s.a.22 in most of the official documentation on people wanting the cape to be independent they state that they wish for the cape to go back to the behemoth of a province it was back before it was split up in the 1990's so basically all parts of the Cape Colony back to together almost half of the country.
@@gidi3250 The rest of the country would lose 93% of coastline , they really need us.
As much as things are bad in SA civil war would be the worst thing ever and those at the forefront of this movement will flee to other countries
That’s how the ANC did it?
@@robkading5274 so we should go back to fighting. In my family we lost loved ones war to us was real and we don't want to go there again.
@@kamvazenani4153 My condolences - I did not for a minute suggest we must go to war. I'm suggesting that a peaceful change is better, even if it means that 'those at the forefront of the movement' as you put it will advocate for change whilst temporarily outside the borders.
@@robkading5274 That will not happen have you guys have not had enough dividing Africa and the people of South Africa?
@@serioustalkwithbhudax It is sad yes. We would far rather see the whole of SA prosper, but we just can’t see how to do that. The ANC’s policies have resulted in this beautiful country falling into disrepair. We believe we have a better solution (but the other provinces are too afraid to let us try). We can’t save SA, but we can save the Cape.
In the Western Cape we are ready for progression, this current government is keeping us behind and outside investments away. We can't keep sending our kids abroad to seek better opportunities thus we have to start building from home. If the rest of the country is happy with a failing government and failing economy then they should not be opposed to us seeking something different and better. We in the Cape are ready to work. Free the Cape.
pure stupidity, keep on dreaming
Cape Town is run by gangs , if we become independant , Cape Town should be excluded .
As a Namibian,i have to applaud this action you guys are taking. People don't seem to want better lives for themselves. Imagine having to go abroad to look for better life opportunities when your land is full of riches and yet the ones in charge are selling it to the foreigners and leaving the citizens more empoverished as they make these nasty deals with these greedy ass foreign countries 😢
As a Namibian? Are you not an African nevertheless? Encouraging evil deed in South Africa? Division just like in the past? You must be ashamed of yourself! Maybe your Namibia and its citizens are very very happy living in Heaven. Stop meddling, with negative please!🛐✌️🇿🇦
First fix the immediate issue of gangsterism and zero chances of upward mobility for the rest of the people in the low service economy jobs . ..
We'd love to, but we're hamstrung by the National Government's policies.
@@robkading5274 excuses excuses DA governs Cape Town but doing shit for other people except the people with the colour of they skin. And now is looking for a place to grow racism bcz they miss apartheid. That will happen in the next life time wen we all die n God resurrect us.
@@southfeller3399 the DA bitches and complains but don't really have solutions. So they aren't any better than the ANC. Let's be real here, the DA are illusion artist. They present a pretty picture of Cape town but hide the gang violence. People aren't blind to this, it's actually a joke that the DA thinks they did a thing better than the ANC. They just use trickery, deflection, and whining to fool naive people such as yourself into thinking they are god's gift to South Africa and the ruling government is to blame for everything. They can make things comfortable and pretty for some communities in Cape town, but what in god's name have they done about the violence plaguing the Cape flats? The ANC is prevented them from finding a solution? Or are they not interested because those folks aren't the right skin tone? Can you please explain how the DA is hindered by the government in this regard, yet white people in Cape town are thriving? Give an actual answer and not the default DA response " it's all the government's fault ."
@@yayaacombi6224 wouldn’t it be better if the Eastern Cape hands over its budget to the Western Cape seeing the immense amount of 1st generation Eastern Capers that is currently settled in the Cape.
Secondly , how do you accomodate people that arrive at their own free adult will unanounced and put down a shack in a bush somewhere and then demand housing and services on uninhabitable land?
3rdly. Doesn’t the people in the Eastern Cape have their own property or territory? Why do you want to demand a government house when you already have a house? Shouldn’t that be considered as theft or fraud?
4th. Dont you think it unjust that the people who built the Western Cape, payed their taxes (also to ensure the well-being of their next generation youth), for centuries and generations must get marginalised out of their own province and their kids being robbed of future which their parents built and also paid for with their taxes?
5. How would you respond if the situation was reversed and there was a mass migration of people into the Eastern Cape that started demanding, without having made any social, tax or economic investment into their problems. I guess they wont be welcomed with a cup of tea?
6. What baffles at times with this urbanization deal is how do you as an adult decide to just pack up and leave to want to live in squallor. Shouldn’t you secure a job first?
7. Manythat come from the Eastern Cape wants to have government to build them a house and then they return to EC and rent the house out packing it with multiple ‘backyarders’. What is honest about that?
I’m not a political supporter, but somewhere, the Eastern Cape’s lack of political will to develop its province is being put on the doorstep of the Western Cape to solve. I dont think it is an apartheid or DA issue bro, its structural and systemic. Maybe to a lesser extent also due to a lack of maturity, being lied to or an overwhelming desperation to flee from a province that is hopelessly mismanaged or corrupt to the core
@@eti-om2gh western cape belong to every South African n they can live whr eva they want u speak as if it belongs to a certain group
ANC😭😭😭WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO YOUR PEOPLE 😂
They steal a lot ,
Which people u talking abt?
@@yayaacombi6224 the Anc and EFF voters
@@yayaacombi6224 and i am talking about the gvt thiefs
@@esterveldman4983 n wats so wonderful abt voting DA?
Why do the naysayers always have the dumbest arguments?
They will hang on to any chance to derail the movement and when you disprove their arguments, they shift the goalpost.
One word - FEAR..!
The biggest mistake Africa ever did was to allow white people into this continent. White people if you are so unhappy about living with black people go black to Europe.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
@@lehlohonolomapitsi8607 why is there always someone who tries to turn this into a race thing?
Number 1, there's nothing difficult to understand regarding people of all races, currently living in the Western Cape, wanting a better life for themselves.
Number 2, whites make up approx 17% of the population in the WC. If this truly was a race thing, or in your mind white people being unhappy, it would stand no chance. Why would "we" (white people), waste our time doing something that's futile?
If it was a white thing, then you're quite right, we'd just go back to Europe instead. It's obviously not.
Why is all this campaign for a western cape, when you need to fix the inequality in south Africa first and foremost! I dont know what kind of president's south Africa gets, but so far none of them seem to want to fix the inequality in south Africa!
It has nothing to do with the inequality or the number of poor poeple who are suffering in gang infested communities.this is race politics at its best its about control and about power. The manority is playing a game off chess this a long strategy where they see themselves in a place where they are a majority.
@@MrMalimaali if it's about control and power, then the control and power should start with the inequality of the whites who own 90% of the land . And the majority who only has 10% of the land! That needs to be addressed first and foremost. And stop trying to deflect with other issues that are insignificant! Get more equality of the land first and the rest will follow! And then you wouldn't have these gangs in all those rat infested places.
Under the ANC there is no chance ever of equality. The government is hell bent on their boiling frog ideology which is now in practice
@@hannescoetzee5113 tht is y u want to divide the country so u can hv your apartheid
@@yayaacombi6224 apartheid? Jeez you guys never stop.
Not in a million years.
@@techno.science add 5 zeros after 10. And still it will not happen. Dream on MINORITIES!!!
@@techno.science Those are different circumstances. Gorbachev sold his country for some US silver. The ANC govt will massacre the whole lot of you before that happens. Same as what the CCP did at Tianemin Square back in 1989.
@@techno.science One the world is different from 25 years ago. The Western block is a whole less powerful. With China and the eastern block in the mix western sanctions mean almost zero. Mugabe was under sanctions for 18 years plus, did he give a toss? Besides with a population of 53 million and only 1.5 million in one corner of the country clamering for independence. The rest of the progressive world will agree with ANC actions. 1.5 mill cannot hold the rest of the country at ransom. The world will agree, especially China and Russia. And guess what, they hold veto power at the UN.
@@techno.science And be out numbered 40 to 1 by the rest of the country. Suicidal mission. Its like Texas declaration of independence in USA. Fat chance of any central govt allowing that to happen. Quick grave for all you whiners.
@@techno.science We as the majority will not accept the creation of a bandustan 2.0 . Like Mandela said never never and never again...
With sound governance an independent Western Cape within 3-5 years would have a GDP higher than Joburg.
If we're smart, within a few decades we could be one of the wealthiest nations on Earth. Singapore used to be one of the poorest, now they are arguably the richest - and they have the same population living on a territory a tiny fraction of the size of the Cape.
Nonsese! Cape Town and South Africa are nothing without Gauteng. But Gauteng would be the richest country in Africa without the rest of you guys. You are all a burden to us. Every major company is headquartered in Johannesburg, even the stock exchange. You'd have to survive on fishing as Cape Town.
@@africanandproud6792 False. Though, that would be true if the WC wasn't one of the only two net income producing provinces out of the nine. So..then how exactly are we a burden to you? when we (like Gauteng) are subsidizing the rest of South Africa?
Why Orange blue and white flag? 🤔🤔🤔
@@africanandproud6792 lol true
I am for a Independent Western Cape...
Agreed,we're better on our own,doesn't sound like a bad idea
We? Meaning White people? Huh?! Colored and Black dominated places in WC are neglected by DA (just racist) nxxx
@@amohelangmashego1053 Are you dumb didn't you watch the video we means the people who want to do it off any race!!!
The DA is just a arm of the ANC.
@@amohelangmashego1053hey buddy didn't you watch the video the DA are in opposition to Cape independence...
This is literally the most stupid idea I have ever heard... It's just pathetic
Yeah it doesn't any of us good. Just creates more unnecessary problems
@GET THE TAGG Channel, I agree with you. You would think that spoiled teenagers came up with this idea.
Cape Independence is a dream BUT it's an achievable one. I live in the Western Cape and I fully support Cape Independence. The ANC has destroyed South Africa with their corruption, racist policies dividing people and inability to govern. Their is NO political solution that is going to fix this issue because the people of the Cape reject ANC rule but those outside the Cape keep the ANC in power despite the trajectory the country is going. Why? It's really simple, they refuse to hold them to account and are actually okay with the current state of affairs so why cant the People of The Cape cut our ties, seek a better government which will give us 💯 control over our future? The Cape will secede and I prefer it's done peacefully but if the ANC and their supporters choose to prevent us, I'm prepared to defend our right to a free and Independent Cape
Your position is hard to come terms!! You clearly are of those that think blacks don't deserve what God gave them. It has taken centuries, now the devil's goal seems closer than ever. A circle seems to want to close, a long road since Egypt.
How bold-faced a thief can you be!!! The COLONIZERS came and imposed theirself upon people they weakened with psychological warfare, then you corrupted prominent "leaders", then you killed vociferous intelectuals, only because they fight against murderous intruders, ’ow you seek to divide some more. It's a pitty so many are greedy enough to betray their people even further, but, your day will come, and Africans will kick out all you devil workers.
Bull shit craziest things I've ever heard. If you don't want a black government it's just that simple pact your bags and go back to the Netherlands the UK Germany I can't believe it's that bad over there that you can't go back come on .
It will never happen. I'm prepared to pick arms and join the army to make sure that it doesn't happen.
@@NEMB213 Is our prosperity and wanting to have a better life and government that represents our values such a threat to you? - you are willing to use violence. That is exactly why we can't co-exist in a society that constantly hates us. Instead of threatening us, you need to open your eyes and see that your beloved ANC is selling you out but you are too blind or too ignorant to see. We don't have to be enemies but you will be throwing your life away to protect those ANC/EFF thugs. It's your funeral ☠
Say NO to drugs
My family was one that left, but I never say I’m from SA, I say I’m from the Cape.
I for one would love to return and reinvest my dollars in to a free WC.
I think many expats would return once free’d from the ANC
who care?
How did you guys manage to escape?
Once my ouma died, my parents sold everything for plane tickets to Australia, it was a very close call on me get a minors visa.
But it was drop of a hat, once approved we only had 4 months to get here
just wait until re-elections because ANC won't win again. I don't know who will win but it won't be ANC
@@sipp5657 won’t be DA or FFplus either 🤣🤣
Lol soon we will have many tiny little countries within South Africa like Lesotho.
Independence for western cape👑
Will never happen
Ha, keep on dreaming!!!
Born and raised in the WC. my parents as well. All my grandparents as well. I'm proudly South African, but in the event the WC becomes an independent separate nation, my allegiance lies with the WC. As long as we stop this racist politics. There's also a lot of expense involved to get the country up and running. South Africa won't let go of certain things easily. We also need to build at least two more big cities. Cape Town won't be able to handle the strain. Another issue is that many people will flock to the WC when they hear it is now independent.
If this idea starts to get more and more momentum do you think the Northen Cape and the Western part of the Eastern Cape could join and make a Cape republic or do you think this is unlikely?
@@Fernando-iy3fg Yo creo que no. Porque la mayoría de la gente en las otras provincias son ANC. Así que, me voy a decir no.
Edit: sorry I'm presuming you're from a Spanish speaking country idk why.
@@melanchorly7618 I am actually from but that's ok because I can understand enough of spanish
And thanks for the answer
It will never happen keep dreaming 😅
You were born in a WC? 😂
Won’t work, they’ve gone the wrong route.
Hy if you have a better plan do share it with them.
What your plan then.
@Melon - yes I have a better plan. I will take over the country from the EFFANC. Please be patient.
Have you, in your capacity, made an attempt to educate people on how taxes fund government programmes? The majority of ANC supporters, especially in the rural areas don't know. They think that the money comes from the pockets of the ANC.
Also, market the party you want to win come 2024. The EFF is gaining on the DA because it's visible on the ground. It goes to the small towns and villages that the DA and other non-white parties do/will not.
People are tired of the ANC and will take just about anything that will position itself as the opposition. Have the DA (the most palatable "non-black" party), Action SA or PA make themselves known in NC, EC, NW and FS
I support the idea of independence
Let's go Independence for Western Cape yes!
Good luck on Ramaphosa signing the referendum,remember he's the one who decides, even if the United Nations recognizes Cape Independence, ANC government can still ignore the referendum,it's not the same as South West Africa which became Namibia after the United Nations helped it gain independence from South Africa due to the apartheid government which oppressed black people in South West Africa present day Namibia. But I get it,it's happening today the ANC government it's been racist towards white people but in a more subtle and indirect way, especially with the BEE and dischems moratorium on racial quotas,the ANC government has destroyed our country, it disappoints me to see people leaving especially people of a certain race.
We are here because of the treacherous ANC
I think that if it will happen Western Cape will become the Switzerland of Africa
we don't want Switzerland in Africa.
if you want Switzerland, go to Europe.
@@cellb2619 bro i was saying that it will become the richest nation in Africa as Switzerland in Europe without counting the microstates
except surrounded by a huge country that will probably be hostile. My suggestion, take all the cape provinces and join Namibia😏 waddaya say?
@@southfeller3399 yebo. and our home affairs queues are shorter too. and we have electricity all the time. just join us😌
@@tiaelago-oretukaumunika7017 it will be a step back for South Africa
I'm so glad I live in the Western cape I love it over here
@Abisha Konono Where in Africa are you from?
Abisha konono you not naitive lol
@@o.ghanylo617 exactly made the same comment she isn't naitive. Infiltrator
I wish I was you
I realy dont like what is happening in SA my country
Things are getting worse and theres no hope for future
@@1920Lesedi sorry to hear about that
U not realizing what Western Cape province depends on.... Gauteng !! Y'all depend on it what keeps so after alive and you want to start your own country... how foolish
You do not realize that it a disgrace, people do not live and operate there by choice, it is by necessity. WC will be a haven for them. All companies will flood their virtually overnight..
@@davethorstry6700 The same WC that is currently the murder capital of the world? Taxi violence, gang violence...
And this how they divided Africa
Wrong, Africa has always been divided due to corrupt bigoted African governments who usually give in to power and money, like the ANC and EFF. Their radical ways is not how you go about making a country work let alone great. Remember they merely occupy a country, they never built one from the ground up like the Afrikaners did. So they have no clue how to go about governing. Besides, African people on the outside of South Africa do not share your beliefs of a United Africa and history also shows that African tribes all over fough against eachother for land and whatever els was considered valued. Try to self educate rather than listen to gossip or obvious propaganda from people like EFF. ANC included but more so EFF. Remember, much of the land to the South was uninhabited, thus the Boers settled there, some of the land in other directions were inhabited by Khoisan, before the Bantu chased them out and nearly killed them all.
Education my friend, read books.
@@melon9680 africa was not uninhabited. many of the FIRST PEOPLE were BRUTALLY genocided for the invader's imperial imperitives. the FIRST PEOPLE would not succumb to their slavery. rewrite all your history you want , but the blood of yesterday are still on the imperialists's descendants' hands.
not that it matters, but your ticket to earthly paradise here in the cape on the blood and bones of the WORLDS OLDEST people, well, you and all the others, no matter how long and hard you pray to your god, will never be expiated. you will never go to heaven. never. and if you are an atheist already, that explains your godless comment.
There Should Be A Referendum In Western Cape
Not in South Africa maybe in Nigeria
Olatunji Awofeso, it’s a South African matter which does not concern you. Rather focus on Nigerian matters which have forced you people to be unwelcomed guests in South Africa and throughout the world. You don’t see any South African crying to be in your country or interfering in Nigeria. It’s purely because we are truly not interested in anything that has to do with you people.
Yesses the audacity
MAKE WC GREAT AGAIN
Have you, in your capacity, made an attempt to educate people on how taxes fund government programmes? The majority of ANC supporters, especially in the rural areas don't know. They think that the money comes from the pockets of the ANC.
Also, market the party you want to win come 2024. The EFF is gaining on the DA because it's visible on the ground. It goes to the small towns and villages that the DA and other non-white parties do/will not.
People are tired of the ANC and will take just about anything that will position itself as the opposition. Have the DA (the most palatable "non-black" party), Action SA or PA make themselves known in NC, EC, NW and FS.
Financial literacy is how you defeat ANC
I love the Idea of a free WC.
@Dominic Barbas - sadly that’s where the good news end. It will always remain just that - an idea. A bad one at that.
As a Moroccan Im all for the independence of Orania and south capetown
As a Namibian i support western Sahara independence
@@ugam04hotepAfrica's "independence"(from European colonization), is a Joke(when Africans are(literally)-Dying, to Get to Europe) . 🙄
I support western sahara for a country
@@nonameguy3665 Who do u Think, is(still)-SUPporting SA ?
Certainly Not, the EFFing-ANCorrupt🤮🤮 .
So before u Go-around, "supporting" those, who Can't-even SUPport-themSelves...Think(with ur Head...& Not ur 💩) . 🙄
i suport western cape independece but not racist orania
This will maybe happen in 10000 years🤣🤣🤣
@@techno.science Never ever
It’s a beautiful dream for whites 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Hugo Sr2123 well it's not a secret coloureds like following their masters.. you forget the idea of an independent Cape is a White man's dream they have been wanting it for years.
As in Never ever
They forget that Africa is the home of us Black people. Australia is waiting for them😜
I thought as much! I always knew that at some point(especially with the development that has happened in South Africa ever since the 2010 world cup),the western cape would want to separate itself from the the rest of South Africa.Remember the western cape is a white people's province(and which oh,by the way are united),so why not shouldn't they have their own province if the development is.Remember,we black South African are just enjoying the lie and the deception that we've been putting on to ourselves for a long time since Mandela died(which was 2013).All these VWs,Audi's,BMWs,public services,innovations,banks is all something that we blacks in South Africa are gonna have to face not very long from now.Either we continue living the deception on ourselves,or accept the truth.Either we submit,or continue lying to ourselves which won't last long enough.
@Armo Moose Correct - deliberately bussed in by the anc pre 94 and after. The eastern Cape is empty.
@Armo Moose population is nothing , whites have the vast majority of power and finance.
@@motionenergy808 The people who were born and raised in the western cape will fight for their homeland, most likely to the death if need be. Also they consider the western cape more than just a "bargaining chip" and actually look after the land they live in. You speak as if you have any authority, much like the party you support, but in reality you are nothing and can do nothing.
@@motionenergy808 you came at the same time as the dutch it aint your land , you expanded south from congo
@Abdirahman you embarrass yourself by flaunting your incompetence what crap is this or that's what your parents told you
This will never see the light of day
Sorry to disappoint
Once it was said that we would never get rid of the NATS and their Apartheid Ideology. And then it happened.
@@glenhuysamer the end of apartheid was inevitable
sanctions ,international pressure ,country on the brink of civil war etc
This is wayyy different ,WC is the 2nd largest GDP in the country ,the is no way SA will give it up ,just none !
@@Uzi-Bane The exponential growth of people supporting this movement says something totally different. It appears that the jump to 800 000 in such a short time and the factor that numbers are increasing and an ever quickening pace........tells one that it is better to expect the unexpected.
It is clear that the Union of South Africa was forced upon the citizens of Southern Africa by a colonial power which invaded numerous independent states and Kingdoms. The legitimacy of this is questionable at best, and seriously needs to be looked at. Such an invasion as in the situation happening in Namibia where the German Nation is paying reparation could very well be a factor to which Briton should also be held to account.
The ANC and the continuation of divisive racial politics and ideology, supported by foreign governments and organization still does not make a Zulu, suddenly a Xhosa, or a Khoisan suddenly a Matabele etc...etc.....
The centralization of powers on racial structure does not serve any person in South Africa except the few while enslaving numerous Kingdoms, Tribes and Nations......in a "black versus white" narrative.
The succession debate and movement is clearly more than a departure from the Republic of South Africa and the 'Union" subscribed to it by a foreign invading power......
it is more about real freedom, and the unbinding of all the citizens of South Africa from a history of subjugation by one power over another.....decentralized government more in tune and in closer quarters to localized citizenry .......closer, smaller and more responsible government over smaller areas which are easier to control and answerable to its citizenry.
The Rep. of South Africa designed at CODESA in which the 'code for South Africa' was prescribed over millions of people who were themselves never invited to any form of discussion .......(more foreign entities decided the fate of Southern Africa's citizens that South Africans citizens themselves)
The experiment is tried and failed .... and South Africans are Trillions of Dollars poorer .....stolen by a parasitical government who for the most part seem to be servicing a string of international economic hitmen from various foreign organizations who are the major benefactors of South African resources both human and material.
It would be more apt to say that the succession is already happening ..............for the mental emancipation which has begun....it is growing ......
while some would argue or ask............is one willing to die for this?............(sorry, but the was a Mandela ....line.....and look and see where it got us all)
the question to be answered is ...........is one willing to live for this?....
because the price has already been paid.........in many more ways than dying.
@@Uzi-Bane hope you aren’t a anc supporter hey. But you’ve got logical points
@@glenhuysamer Dream on madala it will never happen.We will never give u place to grow racism never 👎
First kick out all the people the ANC brought here with promises of land
Independence is highly... possibly.... mostlikely...the key to unlocking the wealth to Western Cape
Lol I hv a question for you my bro. 1 when u guys have ur annual fires don't call us the eastern and the wetter part of the country.
2and- remind me where most of the food comes from again .
3rd goes with the first one but your yearly droughts mate ??
@@quadroblox4872 For someone that’s not living in the Western Cape and don’t seem to have much hope for the Western Cape’s future, you seem adamant to avoid the people from the WC determining their own future? Why‘s that?
Not really I justed don't want a civil war like every other country in africa.
@@quadroblox4872 We’re in agreement and. Civil War is not an option and not necessarily. ua-cam.com/video/Kn6I1JUHklU/v-deo.html
I'm actually glad to hear that but the government will most likely start ignoring you guys until you guys to do some illegal tasks that will allow them to not only detain a few hundred but also disband the group.
Name one country that separated from another in peaceful terms.
Go for it the people of capetown n get rid of the cartel
Have you, in your capacity, made an attempt to educate people on how taxes fund government programmes? The majority of ANC supporters, especially in the rural areas don't know. They think that the money comes from the pockets of the ANC.
Also, market the party you want to win come 2024. The EFF is gaining on the DA because it's visible on the ground. It goes to the small towns and villages that the DA and other non-white parties do/will not.
People are tired of the ANC and will take just about anything that will position itself as the opposition. Have the DA (the most palatable "non-black" party), Action SA or PA make themselves known in NC, EC, NW and FS.
Financial literacy is how you defeat ANC
Let them do it.. SAs crime stats will drop by 70 % if cape Town is removed 😭😂
Not with a real, proper police force, while the rest of SA will crumble and become a hell hole without the goose that laid the golden egg.
Stop being negative and let us look forward to an independent Western Cape
I back you.
Spain crushed Catalonia even though the majority wanted to secede from Spain, South African will rather grant the Cape a semiautonomous status, the fact that Ff+ is also involved in the secession question makes the whole programme questionable. And those who are pushing for the independence of the Cape will pack their bags and run overseas when the civil war broke up
Exactly those at the forefront of this will flee to other countries once war breaks out.
True. The people with no financial capacity involved in this will regret it. One needs to be careful of what they get involved in. It is better to know history and have the basic understanding of where you come from plus what has been avoided.
Why does there have to be civil war?
@@damianpulsar1991 because there will never be a country whose prepared to lose its important territory in that manner I'm not going to go further just read about what happened in Spain, Catalonia wanted to secede from Spain they even conducted a referendum but they're leaders were purged and jailed by the Spanish government, south Sudan seceded from Sudan but with the price of hundreds of thousands of lives and over one million were displaced surely each every government will do everything to protect its territory
@@mphogodfatherka1dube103 the history here quite different than Spain.
War is not a necessity. On what basis do they claim the terrority?
What about gathering the whole province to its old self, Cape Province ie Northern Cape, Eastern Cape and Western Cape because it's a province of the same people from a very very long time. It was not supposed to be devided in the 1st place. It is a province of indigenous. Unite Cape Province.
Would xhosa people go for that?
On top of that it only unified for British interests and where are they now!!
I'm okay with unifying, but then identity politics and socialism needs to piss off!!
To tell the truth British and Boers played a big part in this a history of over 400yrs. How is that reversed, maybe that is the reason why it was decided to unite to a nation of rainbow and with all eleven languages made official. But about the province, I wasn't even suggesting, I was looking back from where these provinces come from. The E. Cape the N. Cape are very much linked W. Cape. Think about Khois , Xhosas, Khoisan ,SANs , and Coloureds. They moving around freely a number of centuries.
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@@rioscordoba606 indigenous people he said,what Xhosa got to do with that ? Xhosa people found us here...we don't care whethee xhosa people will go for it or not,this is our Land...Eastern Cape is the land of amaxhosa and even there we KhoiSan are indigenous to the area and our rock paintings proves that
Push for Federation. This way, it's not just about The Cape but also the rest of the country.
It will never happen
Wait and see.
By the thousands streaming in and just claiming place to stay in WC.. This move should happen faster than we want it to.
This is honestly the biggest problem in the wc at the moment and instead of finding ways to prevent this the government caters to those who leave their homes in other provinces and steal land here
@@teeganwessels3752 you really have no moral authority to talk about anything as a descendant of settlers…
Africa is for natives.
@@matamba6774 Scream louder. My friend. This won't be acceptable in Europe, America, Canada, Australia or New Zealand. Learn from history.
@@motionenergy808 Some people take Africans for a ride. Thats why they think its possible, not knowing this is the thing will unite Africans.
Where do we I sign up
We in the Western Cape didn’t vote for the anc and it is the only province where The coloureds are a majority
True but for this apartheid to happen you will need approval of the entire Sourh Africa, Cape town belongs to South Africans not people leaving in Cape Town . And 80% of South Africans are BLACK LIKE ME
@@yayaacombi6224 it not apartheid as per say.
It is not about race.
Western Cape want to just be on their own.
WC can govern on their own. It has been proven.
@@aghmatadams3368 Muslims want to be on their own in Europe but why don't the Europeans allow them to be? They want to create their peaceful sharia caliphates in Europe but wonder why Europeans won't let them
@@ms_busybee5315 then South Africa is a dictatorship where democracy and the right to self determination is not present. Why this always has to be about race I’m colored by the way
Western Cape already looks like a country world class holiday destination
Division inside shame to those basteds sons of Dutchman.
With so much racism????You just want to bring back apartheid and that will never happen.
Yes split because the rest just want to brake down everything. Surely the white and brown poeple wants something to still stand from what they build through all the years before the ANC and eff brake it down
Your black racism is exactly the reason why Western Cape should succeed
@@mapoosesafaree3039 👍🏼😄so you can begin braking down
Bravo !!!! Western Cape.Go ahead.
I am a Coloured or Bushie from Johannesburg. I visited Western Cape 2 weeks ago. My Gosh, That place is beautiful and it way to clean. I honestly felt like I was in a different country. Gods Love To This idea.
Have you, in your capacity, made an attempt to educate people on how taxes fund government programmes? The majority of ANC supporters, especially in the rural areas don't know. They think that the money comes from the pockets of the ANC.
Also, market the party you want to win come 2024. The EFF is gaining on the DA because it's visible on the ground. It goes to the small towns and villages that the DA and other non-white parties do/will not.
People are tired of the ANC and will take just about anything that will position itself as the opposition. Have the DA (the most palatable "non-black" party), Action SA or PA make themselves known in NC, EC, NW and FS
Same bro i just wish i was born there instead of jhb💀💀
Alan Windes absolute spineless nature on this issue is quite telling. "What if Hout Bay wants to secede from Cape Town". What the hell. What kind of argument or rationale is that?
Agreed. He fetched that argument from behind his toilet. No wonder the DA never gets anywhere in Parliament. With argumentative ability like that...
It will simply then become the Canton of Hout Bay😄 problem solved
He made no valid points.
However, there is an honest debate we can have post-independence regarding the border and which communities want to be part of the new Cape Republic. If there are some border towns in the WC that want to stay as part of SA then that should be allowed and if there are some border towns in SA that want to join the WC, then it should be allowed as well.
Its perhaps because of these jokers that used to sell "republic of Hout Bay" passports and put up the sign on suikerbossie hill.
What if houtbay succeeds from Cape Town.
Me an intellectual: Yes.
I honestly cant see this happening
It will happen. Wait and see.
Guaranteed to happen and the Northern Cape will follow.
Absolutely love this!! The DA, ANC and EFF can keep the rest of SA.
Africans will never let this happen 🤣
@@sam3407 that's probably true, as this would end up being successful and yet again show how incompetent the ANC and EFF are because the rest of SA would crumble.
Agree💯
@@sam3407 They will try not to, but wont win as they are finished, washed up, looted the country dry.
@@davethorstry6700 when was the last time you felt a whitey had any sort of influence beyond economic?
I mean, DA is trying, and they don’t want to secede because they see the futility in it in the long term… I’m certain for us Africans whichever way it goes it’s a win - win…
First step is to change your timezone...western cape is 1 hour behind Johannesburg
WC timezone don't need to change to racist, corrupt Johannesburg timezone. WC timezone will change to Kingdom of Monaco timezone
The seasons differ too in the different provinces.
Clement Adesina, it’s a South African matter which has nothing to do wit you.
@@fisstudies320 apparently you're very shallow in your studies ......
@Clement Adesina, apparently you can’t deal with the truth. It’s our country, deal with that and get lost! Your EFFANC is history and so will you 😹😹😹😹
Creating a new system isn’t undesirable - we WANT a new home affairs, military, border control, and every other part of government because it isn’t currently working. It’s not a practical nightmare, it’s a process of renewal and growth that we can all look forward to. I can’t wait to see how much better the Cape will function without the rest of South Africa holding us back with toxic policies and politics. #FreeTheCape
Well said, this is exactly what I was thinking, Pierre de Vos just sounds old, tired and wants to retire rather than do hard work to achieve a great goal.
Exactly. Take over whatever currently existing policing and military in WC and make it better. Current WC inland border is almost as long as South Africa's current inland border. ANC proposing a budget increase of R10.3 billion over the next 15 years to fix borders. WC can afford that double by itself. We can defend our borders no problem.
@@desocrate de Vos is a basically an ANC spokesman - he will be out of a job after secession.
Awe bra
You know wha if u want to do that go to European countries where you belong ,Africa belong to african if u are so smart about thinking you stupid ideas why u dnt go and reside in England and leave the land of our forefathers which they live in forever ,we welcome you in our land and now do this...this bullshit
Don't do it. At least until I move here.
Have you, in your capacity, made an attempt to educate people on how taxes fund government programmes? The majority of ANC supporters, especially in the rural areas don't know. They think that the money comes from the pockets of the ANC.
Also, market the party you want to win come 2024. The EFF is gaining on the DA because it's visible on the ground. It goes to the small towns and villages that the DA and other non-white parties do/will not.
People are tired of the ANC and will take just about anything that will position itself as the opposition. Have the DA (the most palatable "non-black" party), Action SA or PA make themselves known in NC, EC, NW and FS
If namibie done it why cant western cape
Namibia have real khoi and san people. I mean original ones. If u wanna see people that atleast looks khoi and close to them, go to northern cape. The entitlement is sickening!
@@julirose5078 namibie got independence. Dit not say anything about race or khoi.
@NA Phiri western cape also dont feel part of south africa anymore.
@Hugo Sr2123 so that's the purpose to have white people in their own country? ok I see where this is going
@Hugo Sr2123.... Wow😳😳 so that's your mission to live as only white in Africa... Wow!
Yea cool but why?? I'd honestly be bummed if the Western Cape would be independent. I honestly think we should get rid of our current government coz I think we all don't like how things are run...Instead of being independent, coz I don't think anything would change THAT MUCH...
The western cape has not elected the current government of the day, that sounds like a you problem.
@Armo Moose I never said the Western Cape cannot be independent, I honestly do not care what the Western Cape does any more
Monaco of South Africa.
I was thinking the same thing!
Monaco is far too tiny. Slovenia or Estonia would be better comparisons.
Singapore rather than Monaco!
Yeah agreed, Monaco in term of size doesn't compare to Western Cape. But the idea of it becoming a luxurious, High Income, possibly tax free, country independent to SA sounds like the direction they are heading in. Hopefully then we'll be able to host things like the F1 Grand Prix in Southern Africa again.
Sure there are better example, just used that example coz he also used it in the video.
@@darrenjantjies9027 Singapore is a better example. It broke away from a union with Malaysia because it had different voting patterns and demographics.
You guys going to cause a civil war, and no one wins that. We all lose. And your pension , you been contributing all these yrs, that is gone. It will all collapse.
This will be a success, it would be a Hotspot for travel and tourism.
I don't think so, this separation will be seen as a form apartheid. This is because it will seen as separation along racial lines coloured/white Vs blacks. Secondly, some parts of the Western Cape have actual value (agricultural & tourism), therefore, lossing out on those resources would be a heavy blow to RSA that it can't afford to loss (might use force retain as much as possible). Thirdly, state resources like electricity supply, water supply and transportion would be disband if worst comes worst. Lastly, what is the Western Cape biggest trading partners, would it prosperous in the short/medium term (10-20 years) if it is not allowed to trade with RSA and blacklisted by China?. What sort of trade deals will it have with other countries with an economy less than half the size of RSA?
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@@techno.science Go & make an independent country in the EU.
Devendra - I guess u are indian. Therefore not indigenous. Go and make an independent state in india and teach your people about contraceptives. Leave South African matters in the hands of the indigenous people.
@@southfeller3399 really? Who can build the country the best? Dream on. It's about who the country belong to. The last time I checked, it belongs to the indigenous people. No indians qualify for that.
We need Southern Africa to become one country , to erase colonial splits.
Exactly but the Europeans want to bring back Apartheid
Let people do what they wanna do 🤦🏽♀️ just stop forcing things, they wanna be independent let it be like wtf
You want another Orania? 😂 At least one thing ANC is good at since they became in power was keeping the SA land the SA land, just Orania is the problem.
@@amohelangmashego1053 I'm not from Cape Town, I'm not their leader all I'm saying is leave people alone because it's not our business... shiiii if civil war starts it's still their business
@@modisedaeswatiniprincess6944 why don't they go to Europe if they don't want black 😪😪
@@KatangaCatchtv I'm just tired of arguing with those people the sooner they leave the better even if it means they take Cape town 😩 just go away
Some black folks are so politically imature and never see people's agendas 🤦🏾♂️, its dangerous and scary. Boers are not native to Africa and shouldnt be treated as such. Do any of you think that Africans could pull of this stupidity in One of their nations of origin?!
Im here to inform you that European nations dont Care about African lives. Europe is having a conversation about IF its morally wrong for Europe to Keep colonies in Africa. Did yall understand-- they are aruing IF its right or wrong!
They dont car about Africa and its people. In some European nations they also teach students not to feel bad by economically strangle African nations and assassinate those that dont follow the Europeans Will. Its all over internet and yall wanna give Them a independent country in your nation. Madness
In a country with a history like that of South Africa, a movement such as this, is perversely counter-intuitive.
we would rather loose a whole white race if needs be, but no one will devide our south africa, will take up arms if we have too
@@things2know699 Your comments are very encouraging. You must be a cape independence advocacy supporter.
About time.....this Government will fold like a deck of cards and the Cape will be a Royal Flush!
If it does more good than harm. Best of luck guys!
How so Jodey because war will break out? Whe has war ever been good. Remember SA government will never allow the 3rd largest economy to secede.
I wish them too the best.
The leader whould be like white aparthied leader, they must be vicious to control the people. The Blacks are too nice. They must have military in all areas and totally control. Most of the one that push for independance is the whites.
I visited the Western Cape SA for the first time in 2020, got stuck under COVID lockdown - but I had a great time. Cape Town is amazing - the landscape, mountains and beaches the best I've ever seen in the world, I met so many nice people of all races, tribes. The Lyft drivers were mostly from Zimbabwe - very educated, hard working and just nice.
The British and Dutch SA are really cool people - the women are as good looking as Swedes but not stuck up - great food, beer and wine.
Obviously SA has lots of problems - the bloody electricity doesn't work and threats of riots and Rwanda, Zimbabwe style things are always "in the air". I wish Cape Town still had dependable, safe train transport as those Taxi Vans were terrorizing the roads.
Best of luck to all the good people in the Western Cape. Maybe autonomy is more realistic than full independence. Why not invite the Russians in to build a safe, model nuclear power plant?
W Cape HAS its own nuclear power station for the last 50 years.
Go western cape 👍
First thing we need to do, is build a strong army. The rest of South Africa, will try to come here for work. We must build a fence.
I never thought I'd say this but the ANC is an even BIGGER threat to SA than I thought 😳🤦🏾♂️😦
the western cape should be a seperate state 1) the geographical people can benifit from they own land resoucres.
2) The current ANC goverment is corrupt to the core after all these years they have nothing to show.
Show/Name me .....one Govt in the World without Corruption whose Model you believe is Gd for SA, and I will Demonstrate How Different our Foundation is.
since when Palestine separated from Israel ?
Alan (incorrectly) argues that if we allow the Western Cape to secede, there is nothing that will prevent a proliferation of breakaways ("what stops Hout Bay from seceding from the Western Cape"). That is exactly why Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States (1993) Article 1 states: ‘The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualities:
1. A permanent population (one could argue that Hout Bay has this, although they do not have unique 'culture' and/or predominant language that is different from the rest of the Western Cape, nor under threat by the rest of the Western Cape)
2. A defined territory (Hout Bay qualifies)
3. A government (if they were part of the new sovereign state, they'd even qualify for this, since the proposed Canton system of governing effectively means that they could be governing themselves)
4. Capacity to enter into relations with other states’ (this is where they'd have difficulty, since as a region, they'd have to prove that they could be economically viable).
I accept that this is a simplification, so I'm happy to have an open discussion about where I might be wrong?
I'd suggest you put this question to the CIAG on Twitter or FB. You will surely get an answer on this matter from them there.
@@motionenergy808 Who are the ‘you’ you’re referring to? The majority who will decide in a referendum whether to claim independence are descendants of the first permanent inhabitants of the area.
Alan Winde says the way to deal with this political dissatisfaction is to go to the ballot. We in the Western Cape have been doing that for years. It’s clearly not the answer, because the rest of South Africa don't want the DA to try and save them. Even if every registered voter in the WC voted DA, we still couldn’t lift the ANC out of power. We’re stuck with their socialist policies. Going independent is the only alternative.
You can always go back to Europe if you dont like it.
Robert Mugabe chased whites out of Zimbabwe because of the same reasons you are doing. No shame,but I'm telling you,go on with that mentality
@@klaasmalepe1406 And once Mogabe got his way, the average Zimbabwean prospered, right?
@@robkading5274 ,you have no shame Rob. Everything that's white is not inherently right and everything that is black is not inherently wrong. Whites were just disgusted by having a black president. I'll rather go to war and be poor than that independent thing to happen.
We as blacks are already poor and landless,so I don't mind the sanctions when we chase whites away like in Zimbabwe.
@@klaasmalepe1406 I never mentioned anything about colour. Check my comments again, yet you immediately jump to that conclusion. People with e an inferiority complex often have it - not because it is so, but because they believe it to be so. White people aren’t your problem; your beliefs are.
Do you guys need a mechanic? Gauteng is choking me. Good luck guys. What I like is when you said: "not about race...)
I love the thinking. Everyone across the world think only race. Let us show them we have a voice. Keep the peace
Mechanics are always needed and make big bugs here when they build up a solid client base and good reputation.
Well, good idea on paper but not practical, at least not short-term. For example, if capitec becomes the bank in the 'new state' will it deregister from South Africa? What about its customers residing in SA, will they be forced to move their accounts to 'local' banks? What about the reserve bank, military/defence and companies based in WC who'd wanna be part of SA instead? What about millions in WC who'd rather remain in SA? There are almost 6m people in western cape and this movement has less than 1m, right? ... A mere 16% cannot talk for the entire 6 m for sure, right? Am Just asking, that's all.
@@techno.science good luck... It took 12 years to get to 800k... At this rate, by the time you get to the required 50%... most of you would be dead and buried, considering the havoc being wreaked by covid19 currently. If and when it happens in our lifetime, I would also move to WC. But your chances are veeeeeeery slim. 😁
I sincerely hope so
Sooo they couldn't get a xhosa native for interview 🤣😭🙏🇿🇦 this is already wrong as far as I am concerned the majority are black in cape it doesn't make sense separation than fix 😭😭😭😭
@@techno.science so you are saying blacks are 82 percent 👋👋 coloured are black people just don't drag them into your sad story🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦use the energy to dismantle the anc 😭😭😭😭😭
Let’s do this people of the Western Cape!!! We can be winners all the way! 👏✊👊👍💪
Pierre de Vos and Jan Joubert forget the basics of all law: they draw their validity from the belief that the people have in them. Once the majority (e.g. in the Cape) no longer believe in the state or its laws what power do they have? None...
The only way then would be for the ANC government to enforce their will through force, but the modern international community will not allow that. The ANC and the rest of 'South Africa' would have to be prepared for serious crippling sanctions and becoming an international pariah (not to mention that they might potentially be even military intervention). I doubt there will be the political will from the rest of South Africa when industry collapses, poverty skyrockets and the elite lose their ability to go to their villas in Dubai (and lose all of their stolen money they've so nicely stolen over the years).
Who controls SAPS and the SANDF? Case closed.
@@techno.science keep on dreaming. This will never happen. Pie in the sky.
Sorry for you. The international community as you call it don't give a fig about this basket case of a country, let alone a 'rebel movement' wanting to go their own way. Tough luck for the 100s of non-blacks who would be killed, by almost inevitable SA military intervention, help ain't on its way! What does the WC have that the rest of the world needs...nada.
@@pricklypear7497 Police no vans no dedication, SANDF no pay, useless.
It could be the jewel of Africa.
market the party you want to win come 2024. The EFF is gaining on the DA because it's visible on the ground. It goes to the small towns and villages that the DA and other non-white parties do/will not.
People are tired of the ANC and will take just about anything that will position itself as the opposition. Have the DA (the most palatable "non-black" party), Action SA or PA make themselves known in NC, EC, NW and FS.
Financial literacy is how you defeat ANC
I moved overseas and make 5x more than I ever have in South Africa, I will send every penny to support the creation of a new government
While you overseas, good for you
Let Western Cape split...KZN will follow
Just think how beautiful Kzn will flourish. But politicians wont allow it because they dont benifit
@Tamil Tiger Guerrilla The TT were wiped out in the end, did you know..?
If they want to they can.
Too much corruption in KZN it will be a hell hole if it were to split
YES, YES, YES! That's exactly what I was thinking. GO GO ZULU INDEPENDENC!✊
Wish it would happen soon! Imagine!
yeah , imagine! drooling over KHOISAN real estate , are we?
@@southfeller3399 what are you talking about?
@Warren Bird - you are imagining a vain thing!
What is the exact area (map) marked for our independence?
Have you, in your capacity, made an attempt to educate people on how taxes fund government programmes? The majority of ANC supporters, especially in the rural areas don't know. They think that the money comes from the pockets of the ANC.
Also, market the party you want to win come 2024. The EFF is gaining on the DA because it's visible on the ground. It goes to the small towns and villages that the DA and other non-white parties do/will not.
People are tired of the ANC and will take just about anything that will position itself as the opposition. Have the DA (the most palatable "non-black" party), Action SA or PA make themselves known in NC, EC, NW and FS
Yes please!!
Have you, in your capacity, made an attempt to educate people on how taxes fund government programmes? The majority of ANC supporters, especially in the rural areas don't know. They think that the money comes from the pockets of the ANC.
Also, market the party you want to win come 2024. The EFF is gaining on the DA because it's visible on the ground. It goes to the small towns and villages that the DA and other non-white parties do/will not.
People are tired of the ANC and will take just about anything that will position itself as the opposition. Have the DA (the most palatable "non-black" party), Action SA or PA make themselves known in NC, EC, NW and FS.
Financial literacy is how you defeat ANC
In your dreams guys, to see blackkid alulating for this is just craziness, open your eyes. Capetown is the heart of tourism in South Africa. Its the economy power house of the country. Africa for Africans
Funny how they would distort history and leave out Xhosa people from economic and political engagements. It's a racist move that will end in tears.
@Armo Moose supremacist please. Xhosa people in Cape Town are subjected to shacks and squalor. Do not speak to me in inclusive terms when Xhosas are mere tools to get people elected to power and left to their dredged living.
WE CAN DO MUCH MORE IF WE ARE A COUNTRY ON OUR OWN.
The whole of Eastern cape is now in The western cape. After 5 years it will be Gqerbergha town!
Yeah even I dont think it will simply just work, even though I'll vote yes!!
Also although the fighting black supremacy/identity politics is one of the driving force, it's not the only thing pushing independence as ANYONE can vote who is in the Western Cape and is a valid SA citizen.
Check out Capexit/ULA for more info
Rural people across the globe tend to move into cities for better economic prospects it happened in the US Europe and Asia now its happening in Africa. More and more people are moving to cities. Cape Town is no different infact Joburg recieves more people than any other city in SA. but why is it that some people from the Western Cape have so much disdain for other South Africans as if CPT is the only city in the world that is faced with the influx of people. This is global problem and it won't be solved by erecting walls. Sustainable measures that will prepare cities for the influx of people need to be adopted.
@@kamvazenani4153 You’re right, but unless we create an environment where the economy can grow, we won’t even begin to solve the problem. The ANC’s policies are the problem. We can’t vote them out (they buy votes with t-shirts, a food parcel the month of an election and a ream of empty promises) nationally, but we can (have done so for years now) keep them out of the Western Cape. An independent Cape can determine our own economic policies, proven to succeed.
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@@kamvazenani4153 Ecape should be a success with two urban centres facing East but it is not. Why is that?
I expect the Cape Party will become the biggest party in the province, like the SNP in Scotland.
I think a coalition of pro-independence parties may become very prominent after the next few elections - similar to Catalonia rather. You may also see more established parties developing a pro-independence position. Ideally, I'd like to see a united independence electoral alliance contest the 2024 provincial elections.
It depends on the will of the public to do this, defections from the DA and demographics. Ultimately, this will be a demographics game. Wait for too long and the demographics might sour for this goal.
If their policy was the allow competition in the energy market and make it easier to go solar / end load shedding I think they could do well.
Never gonna happen
I support this movement
Guys this needs to happen, I'm from Lesotho and if this happens, I'd probably move to Western Cape, as long as u make it business friendly, low tax rates, privatise all SOE's including eskom and has decreased amount of red tape.
What wrong with Lesotho, I thought it was doing better than south africa?
@@rioscordoba606 haha
@@espadamt8839 I'm not joking though?
@@rioscordoba606 which is making this even more funnier. Where do you stay?
@@espadamt8839 cape town, and I've never been to lesotho just basing it from what I've seen online.
Yes!!!! Cape independence ,we want it.,becoz the ANC has failed all of south Africa.
Have you, in your capacity, made an attempt to educate people on how taxes fund government programmes? The majority of ANC supporters, especially in the rural areas don't know. They think that the money comes from the pockets of the ANC.
Also, market the party you want to win come 2024. The EFF is gaining on the DA because it's visible on the ground. It goes to the small towns and villages that the DA and other non-white parties do/will not.
People are tired of the ANC and will take just about anything that will position itself as the opposition. Have the DA (the most palatable "non-black" party), Action SA or PA make themselves known in NC, EC, NW and FS.
Financial literacy is how you defeat ANC
I always thought Capetown could be a Mini Monte-Carlo
Yeah with the cape flats and the highest crime rate
A federation of states can work for RSA. Each State i.e. Western Cape will manage themselves as other Privinces should. Smaller parts being part of the bigger whole. It works everywhere. Do it!
They must solve gangsterism problem and stop day dreaming.