Smoother animation ≠ Better animation [read description]
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2021
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0:06 This entire video is outdated
I made this video when 'AI' was little more than a buzzword. I tackled interpolated slop from the angle of an animator, because I hadn't seen anyone else speaking constructively about the technology's shortcomings, or correct/incorrect use cases. It was a niche thing that annoyed me.
Three years later, AI is a massive cultural issue. It has been created unethically, it is extremely environmentally harmful, and it is replacing talented people with rent to pay. The conversation should no longer be about how AI generated content sucks, because these observations are no longer constructive or helpful. There are philosophical, practical, and moral issues that need to be addressed, and I don't think there's a worse way to look them than through the lens of pretty/ugly.
Maybe I'll make a video about this one day, but for now, I chose to focus on what AI generated slop has taught me about the way I view art. For me, art is a means of connecting with and understanding other human beings. By removing the human element from art, it loses all meaning to me. Because it's no longer a given that anything I see was made by a person, I've come to appreciate the real people who make things now more than ever.
Hope this made sense. Thanks for reading.
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
1:27 - Laying the Groundwork
4:32 - Timing and Easing
8:27 - Smear Frames But Worse™
9:16 - Wrong Tool for the Wrong Job
11:46 - Outro
HUGE thanks to Doggybag, Dangrips, and Villa for help with the animation.
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Thanks to Shina for the Appeal painting also
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I'm on Patreon and Twitter also;
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Animation used (in order of appearance):
Tom and Jerry
Pixel Art (various)
Cat walk ( / cat_walk_cycle_done_fo... )
Cowboy Bebop
Mulan
Persona 4
300FPS Bowser in cat suit
Spirit (Roughs by James Baxter)
Devilman Crybaby
A Cat in Paris
Wire by Worthikids
Spiderverse
DBZ Fighterz
ParaNorman
Spongebob
Daffodil 3 by Smallbu
Overwatch
Moonlight Fox by Smallbu
JoJo Part 5
XCOM 2
Cafouillage by Tom Law
PokeAwesome
Planet Panic
TMNT 'Don VS Ralph'
Klaus (Lineart by James Baxter)
El Dorado
Naruto
1Samurai Jack Season 5
Dead Leaves
Keep Your Hands off Eizouken
Meet Arnold (Cacani Demo)
'Float' by Pixar
Music used (in order of appearance):
Les Cafes De Paris - Joe E Lee
Apple Kid's Theme - Earthbound
Let the Game Begin! - SiIvaGunner
Noisy Notebook D - Snipperclips
Stage Clear - Wii Play Motion
Good Evening Bossa - Riverworn
Buy Something, Will Ya!? - Earthbound
Stamp Mode - Snipperclips
Apotos (Night) - Sonic Unleashed
Quilty Court - Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn
Just One More Night With You - Thiago
5PM - Animal Crossing New Leaf
Trophy Gallery - Super Smash Bros. Brawl
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This entire video is outdated! Oops!!
I made this video when 'AI' was little more than a buzzword. I tackled interpolated slop from the angle of an animator, because I hadn't seen anyone else speaking constructively about the technology's shortcomings, or correct/incorrect use cases. It was a niche thing that annoyed me.
Three years later, AI is a massive cultural issue. It has been created unethically, it is extremely environmentally harmful, and it is replacing talented people with rent to pay. The conversation should no longer be about whether AI generated content sucks, because these observations are no longer constructive or helpful. There are philosophical, practical, and moral issues that need to be addressed, and I don't think there's a worse way to look them than through the lens of pretty/ugly.
Maybe I'll make a video about this one day, but for now, I chose to focus on what AI generated slop has taught me about the way I view art. For me, art is a means of connecting with and understanding other human beings. By removing the human element from art, it loses all meaning to me. Because it's no longer a given that anything I see was made by a person, I've come to appreciate the real people who make things now more than ever.
Hope this made sense. Thanks for reading.
we should put all AI nerds in a box and launch them into space i think
I think this video is still relevant. It's about AI interpolation, not about AI in general. And while AI in general has become an ethical nightmare, all the points you made about AI interpolation still hold up.
Not too sure how this is outdated. AI generated content is worse, but that doesn't make this interpolation any less bad then it was. Still worthy of criticism
i honestly dont think the vid is outdated. the points are still salient, maybe you just need to clarify what you meant when you used the word “AI” back then.
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My favorite thing is when someone posts a fucking ruined, 60fps anime fight scene where ALL the punches have zero fucking weight to them
Same chief
How right Circle is about something directly scales with the amount of times he says "fuck"
He uses fuck twice, and he's extremely correct, so the rule proves itself.
I've elected to call this phonomonon the "Circle fuck law"
Not to mention Anime OPs you can only find at 60 fps on UA-cam yikes
OOO
The one punch man fights.......
THANK YOU NOODLE
Go back into the basement and make more animation also be safe
Im the 15 like
@@jairus2008 ok
Hey juny
noodles
Low FPS animation has a very nice, cartoony charm to it.
High FPS animation gives off energy of something that has been worked hard on, and should be taken seriously.
Low FPS animations that have had their FPS boosted by an AI make me feel like I am experiencing eyeball cancer.
from what i've seen, there's this one guy called Neobrane who does these kinds of things, but I'm assuming he does some manual work to make it *actually look good*, and not be a blurry mess
Like BOI WHAT using effort with his AI songs
Same with The Automatic Singer
This, high FPS isn't wrong, and the animations aren't bad. You can do all things that were listed in this video and other videos: timing, anticipation, stretch, impact, and all that. But using AI to add additional frames between will ruin it, and so does it if an animator adds all those frames inbetween after the fact, as well.
If you want a high impact 1 frame motion, you can do that regardless if it's 12, 25, 60, 100 Hz, it's still possible to not have inbetweens.
low fps: good, great, decent and is cartoony
high fps: pro, high-maintenance, great and works realistically + cartoonishly
low-to-high fps: nails in eyes, bleach in iris, hydrochloric acid inside the nerve endings.
This is actually my problem with classic Disney cartoons. They’re done smooth, which tells your brain “this is serious, so you shouldn’t laugh.” Looney Tunes, on the other hand, is on twos, signaling to your brain “You can laugh now.”
As an animator who loves doing in-betweens, smudges, action choreography, and impact frames...
Yes, I also find it very insulting.
Oooo Sad-ist :o
>Dream
lol
Oh hi I was not expecting to see you here :'D
My putting my comment here
you don't need to tell us that you do action choreography. that's literaly all your recent uploads(i meant that in a nice way :) )
dude somewhat off topic but this video looks so goddam buttery smooth and ur lip syncing is actually fantastic
zark I love you
hey zark, love ur animations
hehe sheep man hehe
You're a pretty awesome sheep.
Hey it's that guy who animated that gumball spider thing
This video aged like fine wine.
What happened?
@@nettlenite3882 AI generation happened, proving his points regarding how AI shouldn't be used in animation like this. (I just realized this might sound sarcastic, so lemme make clear I wasn't)
@@Dudefroggers what do you mean AI has improved ALOT since the make of the video, for example the smearing or blur that used to happen now doesn't
@@ZiosNeon do we have the same eyes? Yes it definitely has improved a lot, and there are certain scenes where maybe its nice to have the candy dipped version, but anything with fast moving frames still looks so much worse than the original intent, anything like combat or effects work still has this sickly smearing and stutter to it
or perhaps like fine milk
he tried to warn us
HE TRIED TO WARN USSS
someone reuploaded my animation but with 60fps and got 1 million views before any of my videos did T-T pa i n
P a i n
Also, good to see ya here!
Copy strike it
SUE THEM
Give that vid a copyright strike then!
Finally Noodle makes a video at 50 fps, I always thought his other work looked choppy but now it's buttery smooth!!!
Pão com ovo
Wait you're real? I thought noodle made you up for a joke in his crunch video
Punk Dunk? Here? Wow
@@Black-sy7dlpau com ovo
How to....surprise an audience
I find that animated fight scenes are easier to read when you have less frames. Especially for scenes with a lot of stuff going on.
Yeah I’ve seen some of these “smooth jobs” and they ruin the choreography. It’s mainly the blows they ruin. What previously was the strike of a fist or weapon that you could almost feel the speed and weight of as it struck is completely obliterated by jamming frames in. The entire point of less frames was to make that blow seem so fast it couldn’t be perceived by the bare human eye, now it looks like my youngest sister is trying to kill me with a pillow.
You were ahead of the times with this video. Ai became such a massive topic of conversation within the past year, I thought this video came out in 2023. Fantastic rants/analysis.
I think you just underestimated how long AI has been a thing lol, this vid wasn’t “ahead of the times”
@@Fluck_Flutch I honestly think it was pretty ahead of everything. I remember being curious about other videos like this when this one came out, and there wasn't many discussing the issues with AI in many industries of art.
@@fairsaa7975 Idk, I’ve always had an interest in AI so maybe that’s why this just doesn’t seem too ahead of its time for me, since it’s been something I’ve been keeping myself up to date with for years
@@Fluck_Flutch Maybe so. Can relate to being blindsided by newcomers to a niche subject that's become mainstream and acting like it's new.
and AI upscaling never became good, who knew
Thank God someone finally said it
wait why isn't their any replies on this ?
@@omarbkhaitan3106 wait why is there only one reply on this?
@@thatweirdguy8810 wait why are there only two replays on this
uhhh we have been saying it for a long time for the record us pc gamers are the ones that have been pushing this and we always ALWAY mean natural 60 (at least) is better but yeah unnatural frame skipping like he is talking about is dog shit.
I'm actually so happy right now. This trend has actually made me more mad than.... most things? And I'm glad it's finally be called out.
I want my animation to really FEEL like it's real life and real life is garbage so it makes sense
jef
You are so brave😔😔😔😔😔🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
this guy is onto something
you animate?
@Emmanuel Brijandez Torres Because life is pretty boring for most people, unless you have enough money and motivation to make it not boring
seeing the pinned comment 3 years later hits pretty hard, knowing where ai "art" has gone
He just changed it
I hate that it’s sometimes easier to find anime openings on YT at 60 fps rather than the original, it ALWAYS looks worse and you can tell immediately
they can dodge copy-strikes by interpolating the footage.
let's appreciate the full lip sync for the whole video
I don't even animate, and I cry for his hands (and sanity) cause of it lol
I mean, it sure helped prove his point. Also I enjoy your content and would like to compliment how good your work/videos are.
THIS
I appreciate the whole video Noodle makes very good videos and with each video he not only grows his funny but also his animations even if he was assisted by other animators
i'm not sure but i think sometimes animators reuse frames or create their own custom "lip libraries" for all common sounds to save on time. I can imagine that this dude would just have to load an image for each mouth frame and that's it, though i'm no animator.
The man, the hero.
The legend, you mean.
@@sperinthalakkat9831 the god
literally who?
The flippin' long thingy made of wheat and water and whatever.
Wait ur alive
One of the most rewatchable videos i know. Such an interesting topic and perspective that not nearly enough are talking about. Well done.
OH MY GOD THESE ARE MY EXACT SAME THOUGHTS
Just got into animation and realized how fuck8ng hard it is to animate a single-motion so yeah putting it through AI will definitely be an insult to the animator
or if the animator had it to help so work can be done faster
@user-op8fg3ny3j if the animator wants it the animator can use it
@@thehole1 💯. Especially helpful if it's an individual project.
I'd appreciate if it saved me time doing the extra frames (if it made it well)
I thought I was just being an old man when I thought interpolated animation looks like ass. Glad I'm not alone.
Same
Yeah same I rather have Low frame When Watch old animation? wait what?
@@aidendoesado3624
Neither do me sorry I wake 24 my brain is not in a good state so you see something I don't even know what I'm doing.
I mean I was awake for 24 hour so yeah that.
When I saw it on twitter I thought "It looks weird, funny but weird" then it just went worse
13:56 - He's right.
Great work, this was awesome.
ayy, hey ross !
Thanks a ton, love u ross
Ross. Anyways I saw the price and for some reason I though: "this is a honey ad"
Yo it’s Ross
Love your stuff, hope you're doing well!
Richard Williams gives an example of bad in-betweening in his book, The Animator’s Survival Kit, where in frame 1, there’s a nail sticking out of a table with a hammer swinging at it, and in frame 2, the hammer has hit and bent the nail. Good in-betweening would be to make a third frame where the nail is untouched, but the hammer has moved closer. Bad in-betweening would be moving the hammer closer (not touching) and half-bending the nail. AI, even AI designed for 2D animation, would probably do the bad version.
Whoa! That shot at 9:41 is so smooth, I can feel the skill of the animator
Thank god someone said it
I remember when Spiderverse came out and some people were saying that the low frame rate was to "save money" aS IF THAT'S HOW ANYTHING WORKS
WAIT PEOPLE ACTUALLY SAID THAT I didn’t watch it but even I know that’s not why there is a low frame rate
People these days have a serious case of superiority complex with any kind of knowledge. And then when faults are pointed out they double down and say they're write despite visual evidence to the contrary. Like petulant children.
I mean... the framerate did look a bit weird and choppy but it was still a kickass movie so I didn't complain
@@LowKiiSavage I think that was the point to make it look more like a comic book style
I hated watching that movie. Sped up the "artsy low fps" parts because its fucking dumb and hurts my head. Things should be 144hz not fuckin 5hz especially if its rendered on a fuckin computer. The actual movie was great but I will never watch it again.
As a translator, I vibe with this video whenever someone asks me why I ask money for something Google Translate does for free.
Lol, anyone who thinks Google Translate is accurate definitely isn't fluent in a second language.
@@christopherklute1606 aaaaand that's why I'm making an effort to learn Japanese! Though, sometimes a robotic translation works too- if applied right.
@@user-im9zp4yp9x Yeah... and it's not going to be Google Translate, it's going to be commercial AI-based translators trained on a specific domains such as "computer science books" or "Shakespeare".
@@clray123 The reason Google translate doesnt work as well as it needs to for human standards is because of the model it uses to translate. They use transformer models, which are giant networks of what are called attention matrices to try to be able to understand language and especially context. And with hundreds of millions of datapoints and months of computation time spent training on the most powerful supercomputers in the world these models can only get somewhat close to being accurate. And these models are approaching a limit as to how good they can be, as in order to increase accuracy for Google translates model by 0.15%, the amount of data used must be doubled. They're experiencing diminishing returns. That's because they dont model language the way that language actually exists, the way that humans and linguists have been modeling language for thousands of years - by turning sentences into dependency trees. Using dependency trees and starting from a linguistic standpoint rather than a computational standpoint to model language the way humans understand it is the way to go to create a translation model that can exceed the current models capabilities with far less time, data, and resources.
Absolutely XD
It's the uncultured who demand 60 fps for everything
4:32 I know it's for an ad, but I want to remind people that libraries will absolutely take requests for books you can borrow and later return. For free. Library cards are free.
Yeah, but if I want to reference it while I work, or use it to take notes, and highlight key points, I can’t do that with a book.
The anamorphs cover was just a perfect analogy.
Agreed
Ikr lol
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I still have fond memories (aka: sick twisted nightmares) from reading the animorphs book series
Umami I love you and interface keep up the good work
"60fps is good, when the animator intends it"
never have i agreed with something so much
I agree to a certain point. With higher HRz in media and technology it's often jaring for me to watch something old at 12 - 24 frames. It looks stuttery when watching something that was made for 60fps or higher then watching something that's old. Almost like bad stop motion at times. Dragon Prince on Netflix was like that for me even if people liked it, I couldn't get into it. But I do agree that an AI doing inbetweens is an inaccurate way to fix this.
@@Arkken most anime are done in 24 fps and it doesn't look jarring you sound like someone who wants to play a game in 144hz on a 60hz monitor
Yeah, Agree
@@takashimizutani1808 Maybe not to you, but it does to me. Also 60 fps is pretty standard. Going above that is extra.
@@Arkken
Games fixed at 30 FPS: hi, how are ya?
It’s crazy how those old captain underpants flip-o-ramas do a better job at conveying movement than your average ai interpolated 60 fps animation. And the flip-o-ramas are just 2 frames! 2!!!!
Oh boy, I bet Noods has some CHOICE words about Sora.
Even more laughable is when people upload '60FPS videos' where they didn't even use AI interpolation.
They just changed the framerate in the render settings :D
WELCOME TO THE ANIMATION ZONE
I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying they are smart and are covering up the fact that they are stealing an animation for views while doing nothing, which is horrible
Love your Chanel :)
Execution by excessive framerate.
Animation is my passion
Gosh finally someone brings this up, it feels as if the we as the entire animation community was getting slapped in the face by a fish and everyone was just watching it happen. THANK YOU for making this video lmao
nahh it smooth tho
Oh, hello there.
Oh!
Baba booey
I 100% agree and cool seeing other youtubers I follow here.
this was 3 years ago. he was trying to warn us… now its 2 late
You know its gonna be an epic video when there is a dwarf named noodle accompanying you.
I commented on a video that used less that 12 fps before saying it was smooth and immediately my comment replies were filled with "bro thats only like 10fps, not smooth", but like, i commented it was smooth cause its impressive animating something smoothly with low fps hsiwjosjsidbaks idk where im goign with this comment
Yes
Up my van you’re going
people are obsessed with BeTTeR FRamE rATes?
The keyboard smash and the part after were really unnecessary for this comment, lol
Yea thats the point its sooo so ahagsbshsn
Horror idea: everything is normally animated at 24 fps, but the monster is animated with an alternating 12/48 frames.
Honestly it would be a good way to make things look unnatural. Kind of like how all the mechanical bits in Treasure Planet were CGI and anything organic was hand drawn
See, this is a good use for it
If I ever make a creature from beyond our dimensional perspective, like an angel or eldritch being I'll try that out. I expect it will portray well
good idea!
If we ever get another Volume of Love, Death & Robots, that should be used in an episode.
Can't believe it took me this long to find your channel, but I've watched a ton of your videos this week and love what I'm seeing. This is incredibly informative on this subject. Love to see it.
I like how in the end in the “robot takeover” his animation turned interpolated
Those 60fps videos have largely just been a source of content scraping for reuploaders.
Gotta get those free hits.
The thing I've always said is that smooth animation hinges on the intent and the motion itself. You can have smooth looking animation playing at 8 fps if it looks natural enough.
yeeeee 1st
@@duality2398 lmao what
why
This is the most *sensical* comment on this video.
@@fenrirwolf4157 I’m sorry I had to
wait wtf, Zedrin ?
When I began animating a lot of my friends (including me) thought that more frames and drawings made better animation. But in almost every case, more frames just loses clarity and weight that the animation had before. If you're a capable animator, you can make shit look good with 2-3 drawings, depending on the motion. I don't know why people get obsessed with everything being 60fps
First furry
cuz *frames*
Beginning to realize this as I learn and experiment with 3D animation
amen🙌
The only channel I find to be much better in 60fps is kurzgesagt.
I’ve watched this video so many times it’s insane. It’s like a monthly routine for me to watch this at least once
I was so ready for this video to be a slide show of poses, but god dang you animated the whole thing, that's super impressive!!
agreed it kind of caught me off guard
JEEZ Shooch, way to point out
Love Dog btw
yea, but is wasn't very smooth tho.
Nice Dan pfp
He always does that
“ I don’t like watching an animation..that’s got vaseline all over it”
Why does that make so much sense
@toijg avnnr never stop
Keep going
Hijacking this comment to warn people it's VERY loud at 14:07. Headphone users beware
I feel ya. I feel ya SO MUCH.
Also, I got you to 666 likes.
Exactly. Vaseline is for eating, not video footage
@@condensed_sam finally, I can now ascend
jesus christ dude, this was your first video I watched and you almost killed me in the outro part '-'. loved the contet btw XD.
Same here
3 years later, and I can confirm, AI has *not* gotten better with time.
Bro lives at bikini bottom cuz there's no way
@@AsdrubaleAsdrubalini-nh4boIt hasn’t gotten better at this. An ai can’t make an animation 60 fps and make it look good. It’s guaranteed to fuck up frames and make it look shitty.
@@AsdrubaleAsdrubalini-nh4bo we're talking about this interpolation software, it hasn't gotten better. Neither has ai art imo. AI art has just been getting fed people's artwork so they can steal someone's entire style or make their own art off of someone elses' hard work. AI hasn't gotten any better (at least interpolation and art ai in general, sora is okay I guess), the art looks the same as like week one of its release and the interpolation is just as bad as always.
"this is 24 fps, this is 48. look close. you see the difference"
yes the difference is that turning my quality up to HD actually crashed my computer
Lol! Sorry for that
Is that actually true 😂
@@macropie45yearsago18 yes because my computer is old and sad
@@eastdakota6954 dang. Hopefully you can get a better one
@@eastdakota6954 my google crashes every time i put a video on anymore than 480p, c'mon bro come with the shit computers gang
when musical artists get nightcore versions of their song
Lmao
i hate nightcore, i feel it like an insult
@Aaron Hutton agreed
What is nightcore
I dUnNo, iT SoUnDs BeTtEr tO Me...
I've seen this video more than 3 times by now, but the robot bit at the end never fails to scare the shit out of me
Every year this video becomes more and more relevant as AI grows more and steals more
2:44 ''the mind fills in the gaps between them'' this extremely important, imagine an AI adding extra words and sentences to your favorite book to help you understand whats going on...
Good Point but not every addition of ai is good though, imagine adding 1 word to a sentence or word that completely changes the whole idea.Sometimes human just needs to be human
@@inliothixie Pretty sure that was their point
I'm trying to think what it would be like if we did that with comics. Twice the art by dividing each panel into two! Except the AI doesn't understand panel shapes, sizes, where to split dialogue, how to frame each panel, etc, etc. That would NOT be an improvement!
Example:
Then, as George ran moved away from a the chicken animal rooster, blah blah blah
it's the difference between an audio book created with text to speech and a talented voice actor.
Oooooh that’s why I look at these videos and feel awful about them! The tween choppiness is horrible
everybody gangster til the artistic integrity of the style being displayed to the viewer turns into a jackson pollock painting
Oh my god, its the Minecraft music man
2 replies 2 hours ago wait
I wasn't expecting C418 himself to be commenting on this kind of video
Literally gives me a headache
Yoo C418
Best transition to sponsorship I've seen lol. "that's expensive" *honey sponsorship* perfection
Moral of the story: more doesn’t always equal better
THANK YOU! It's about time someone brought this up. I feel like a lot of people don't understand that animation being 60 FPS (or more) isn't really the problem, but rather these algorithms that do a terrible job at interpolating the frames. If a talented animator decided to animate in 60 FPS and made every frame with attention and care I'm sure the end result would look fantastic. The higher frame rate just wouldn't usually be worth the effort. Maybe someday there will be an AI that can create perfect inbetweens but it would need to understand on a human level what the animation actually represents and how it should move.
Edit: Though even then it wouldn't really suite all animation styles.
Isn't it ironic too how most of your animaton is done with interpolation yet it fits the style perfectly
Uncle Donald
And at that point, if an AI really *understood* art, if it could learn and knew pretty much everything humans did, wouldn’t it basically be sentient? I wouldn’t want to make an AI do that, simply add a few frames to someone else’s work, so perhaps it’ll really never be possible
@@justseffstuff3308 art is subjective
I think AI would definitely be able to replace inbetweener animators as they would be able to find patterns we wouldn’t be able to even comprehend. With enough time they would be able to figure out animation and people wont be able to tell the difference between AI and an animator.
You could have just put a guy on a couch and moved his mouth, but instead you decided to fully animate gestures and detailed mouth movement. What a legend.
@toijg avnnr y
who the hell do you think he is
he’s,,, an animator
@@freebeerishere whats that supposed to mean?
@@genopie2673 that he’s very skilled at animating and genuinely enjoys it. i thought it would be obvious that he would put the extra effort in to make a video that’s engaging.
Best part is I guarantee it’s the gamers that complain about their solo, off line, rpg not running at 240 frames a second abusing the software and ruining the animations too.
So everyone who says "pirating from nintendo is morally correct"?
@@AutumnLeaf06 yeah pretty much
nah even as a gaming addict i like when animations have a lower framerate, thats one reason why i like spiderverse's animation so much, and i even wanna make a fighting game one day where all the attacks are animated in a lower framerate
@@trashygamesyt I’m more talking about the people who complain when games like Mario or Skyrim don’t run at super high frame rates
bro I was relaxing, kind of zoning out near the end of your vid, and you scared me so hard I think I saw a glimpse of the 4th dimension
As a computer scientist, the problem isn't that AI can't do animation, it's that computer scientists aren't animators.
That's why the only program made for animators actually works, I guess. They probably either took in animators or were animators themselves.
@@chrisheartman9263 well, making a toolset is different than making a program that successfully creates something out of nothing. Toolset programs only need to know ''what'' to do, whereas somewhere in an AI it also needs to know ''how'' and particularly with video ''when'' to do stuff, making it severely more complicated.
Exactly. Ai is usually never the problem, it's how it's used.
Even in software engineering, people have said at some point code will write itself. That hasn't happened (at a decent scale anyway) because someone needs to actually design a program.
Same with animation. AI can't do shit if the animators don't set a solid foundation.
Anyway you look at it, AI can just be an optional tool for animators.
@@HiddenRealm Jesus Christ bro I'm not reading that.
@@HowlGough lol
This entire episode is just a mood by itself. My animator brain short circuits whenever people actually try to argue that the 60fps Fantasia (and literally anything else) is better than its original.
Yoo look who i found! Love your channel guys
My brain short circuits when dumbass animators that barely got through grade 12 math compare motion tweening to machine learning and then go yOu mIgHt nOT sEe tHe diFFerEnce BuT yOU Can FeEl iT! Muh fucking animator feelings, muh fucking creativity. You people are fucking wild.
@@fohex40 You speak like a 15 year who just discovered 4chan
@@walpang8968 Watch out. He got thru 12 grade with ease man. I'd tread carefully if i were you. Can't you see how smart and mature this man is?
fohe x Ooh look at me! I'm a miserable tosspot who lost touch with feelings and I think i'm on top of the universe. Shut up.
So in a nutshell: AI is a slap in the face to people who spent years refining their skills. Don't. Do. It.
womp womp
“I care, i just think it looks worse :3”
Video title: 4K 60FPS
Video: 1080p 50FPS
lmfao great video
huh what real 7 minutes ago wtf
Ok
Oh hello there nathaniel
Nathaniel fucking Bandy everytime
no
JEEZUS THANK YOU for putting in the work to explain what a bunch of us animators feel!!
I honestly don't see an issue, it sounds like jealousy someone did something simple and got alot if views for it. Sure it's lazy content but it's content. Who are you to gatekeep what is and isn't animation content, if someone wants to dump something into an ai to see what happens what's the issue.
@@springtrapnibba Thats not the point though. Imagine if you had a painting you spent hours making how you wanted, and then someone comes by, takes your painting and smears it and told you "here, now it looks better!" The issue isn't that they shouldn't be allowed to do it, to each their own, the problem is that people don't understand how insulting it can be to the creator of the original animation. Especially when its chopped up and smeared as a direct result of the ai.
@@MaxieTheMax and in terms of animation and its rules/theory looks worse on closer examination.
@@springtrapnibba you’re missing the point entirely.
@@MaxieTheMax Lmao Idc if they insulted it looks better
Every time I watch this video I notice the flaws in the interpolated animation more and more
that was the most fun to watch watch engaging UA-cam animation I've seen in a while! You're animations rock!
I love how the title has "[4K 60FPS]" just so the algorithm targets the people who watch those kinds of videos.
Defeating the computer at its own game!
And then the video is capped at 50 fps looool
And I assumed it worked because rn it has 4.7 million views
@@BertoPlease That makes no sense, is he in the UK?
@@BertoPlease It's at 50 cause its the double of 24. It's a joke (maybe), plus he animated his stuff at the correct framerate while being able to show the interpolated footage as well.
"heres a picture of a little man, he's doing well and i'm proud of him." - I will die for him.
We should protec the little man at all cost!
LMPA Little Man Protection Agency when?
Sam
Dog: *sad noises*
I dare say that NOBODY appreciates art more than an artist does.
'how do people like this?' Most people just kind of assume more is more.
This is the animators equivalent to the whole “fixed your art” shit
@Double-Edge man shut up
Right??
@Double-Edge found the Twitter user
@Double-Edge I think we know what side you're on.
@Double-Edge Cutting yourself on those Double Edges a bit much?
Interpolated animation always looked so wonk to me but I couldn't put my finger on why it did. Well now I know why.
Hjgg
@@jrurbbehdidiwdnndjduw85eos73 OH LOOK ITS SHWERPY!
Yeah me to ikr
Never expected to find you here lol
Now go get your college work done or smth
Yoooo shurpee 😳
I understand the excitement over it, and it may get better over time, but I don’t know why so many people are set on removing the humanity from art
Sometimes i wish i can watch animated things one frame at a time
Same bro
Same here
I apologize Noodle I will be better
gamers, amirite
Be better
Thank you Gamer
Did you change your name for DA MEME yo GOAT
You better be
My initial reaction as a not-really-an-animator was "hey I wouldn't mind" and then I realised that if I had put time into specifically animating something a certain way only for somebody else to come along and be like "hey look I iMProVeD IT" I would probably pop a blood vessel
You made my day with this comment haha
yea true
Yes, for me the biggest problem with all of that is that most of those people who interpolate OTHER'S animation, they think they are better than the animators themselves, they think they are improving this and that they are good at what they do.
they dont
its not the OmG I ImpROveD iT which annoys me, its that the animation looks like shit
@@macaronmunch793 Well, i think its a mix of both. Like the fact that people ruin the animation and still thinks they are the best and that improved the good hard work of an animator
I was not expecting the ending to be so much more loud then the rest. So because of that it woke up my baby sister.
You are the most amazing animator and i love you. Heres a sub ❤
"You KNOW it's gamers." I felt that as a gamer and animator, it's definitely the gamers.
144 FPS animation when?
i'm a gamer and fuck ai interpolation
@@hunterclouse4371 Well, in "in-game" in 3D most objects/models will move equally independent of you frame rate, unless you are talking about sprites, more or less wont change the amout of expressions.
But interpolating cartoonish games should be a crime
@@firstbits650 idk if it uses interpolation, idk shit about animation, but I do know Spyro Reignited looks much better at 120+ fps than at a fluctuating between 20-30 fps.
@@sgtjohnson49 The thing with games and their fps is that you're playing it and moving it. Games are made to be played at a higher framerate. Animation, movies, etc are made at one framerate, you can't change that. Film is 24 fps, usually no more, no less. Games are interactive pieces where things are run in an engine that plays frames.
"but it's smoother!" yeah, well, so's my brain.
self burn!! ooh those are rare!
@@procrastinatorqueen pfft, the only thing burning around here are my eyes, when I see my hideous face in the mirror.
@@basedbattledroid3507 bro... u good?
@@basedbattledroid3507 that's some pink guy shit right there
as someone who made afew animations myself i love this rant about how ai needs to stop trying and its true
One of the best animation channel I've found in a long time. I'm Happy the UA-cam algorithm brought me here.
Personally the worst one for me is “Coraline at 60 FPS” like.....the animators of that movie did not painstakingly move little clay figurines 1/80th of an inch each frame for you to come in and decide to make it smooth
Well if they had the time then they wouldve made it smooth. He only season they didn't is because it would take 16 years or a huge budget
@@BowOneFire By doing claymation instead of cgi, they made an active choice in style. No, the only reason for the frame rate isn't time. If time was the concern, make the models on a computer instread of clay, and animate it significantly faster.
@@BowOneFire Some people find the stop motion style appealing, including Laika.
Why do you think they worked so hard make the LEGO movie look like “choppy” stop motion? Some people like the style
@@BowOneFire no they really wouldn’t
Many people love stop motion
“This whole shot is interpolated did you even notice”
I’m proud of immediately noticing
same my first thought before it came up was. um.. tf.
Yeah, same, I was paying close attention to the details of this dude's animation since the moment I clicked on the video. I saw the interpolated shot and I was like "YUP! THAT'S THE SHITTY ONE!"
And that’s the thing, it’s not even hard to notice, especially when you know what the original looks and feel like.
I didn’t even notice lol
Same I knew something was up xD
Totally agreed. I like my *games* at high framerates, but not my movies and tv shows. I always called it the 'cinematic feel' but yeah, this. :D
Thank you for this video, once upon a time when Fate UBW came out, I'd lose my fucking mind trying to find the non-interpolated fights on youtube, it drove me crazy, and it seemed like everyone liked it, I couldn't understand
The amount of anime fights ruined cuz they think 60fps make it better. I have only ever interpolated something when i was making an anime amv/edit and wanted a spesific scene to be in Slow motion. It's a tool, You are not suppose to just interpolated everything smh
Just play the game on a intel pentium inside than you can play it in 12 sweet frame's per second
It looks way better w ai
@@misaelarvizu9616 depends
Could the interpolation be used to circumvent UA-cam's auto flagging for copyrighted material? I always thought that was the intent, since the AI is generating new frames.
@@misaelarvizu9616 but it doesn't tho
“And you just KNOW it’s gamers, right?”
Well now, that seems a bit rude-
“Who the fuck else cares about frame rates?”
… Actually yeah, that’s fair.
Even then, its the rainbow pcmr gamers, not your console gamer
@@R8Spike Well frame rate is really important, better frames means you can hit what you need to when you need to, doesn't matter how good your internet is, if your frame rate is off you'll be confused as how you can't hit your shots
@@itsgrey8135 NO! That's not how... jesus christ. Why are gamers like this?
@@owlflame Well, no he is partly right. More frames makes the game feel better and make it better to play, but it won’t help you with bad internet.
@@owlflame Games ≠ animation. With fast paced games, you NEED higher frame rates, or else the frames simply can't keep up with the gameplay. It's not even like the video discourages this. High frame rates in animation are only bad when it wasn't the creators intention to do that. People who make fast-paced games specifically design them for higher frame rates.
i love the subtle movements of the lines on a character
After watching this video I went to amazon and bought the animation tips book, thanks for the recommendation. Take a sub.
Wait wait, i agree with all this video, an dI love it, but isn't like a way to interpolate timing on animate? like to add a curve and make it the same timing?? (still with less liveness which is the point of that part)
_Sir Pelo Scream_
omg its pelito
I’m honestly unsure-
From what I recall of my poo brain level animation, I know that you can use a curve graph in after effects to do what you are talking about. We used it in my college to make a ball bounce smoothly without having to animate each frame. So I imagine Animate would also have that or something similar built in.
To utilize this with the little man, you could theoretically attach all his body parts separately together using anchor points/null objects, and then "pull" him by animating the torso or head to the end point. Using the curve graph and motion blur, it would essentially be like a rag doll, with the option of fine tuning each limb.
Please note this is all based on my limited knowledge pool, I could be wildly incorrect about most or all of what I am talking about.
Sr pelooooo yes
“And you know it’s gamers”
I have never been so offended by something I a hundred percent agree with
Specifically it's gamers who don't understand there's a time and place for maximizing frames. :L
Yeah we really need to learn that high frame rates only really matter in games
I just don't get the obsession, but then I largely can't tell the difference and when I can the higher ones are jarring to look at.
But then I grew up on CRT TVs and prefer indie titles ( potato computers most my life and the rise of microtransactions), but outside that field most media isn't meant to go that frame rate. I basically have next to no experience with it so it looks like something is playing wrong when I do see it.
Leaving things as the creators intended is generally how I like things anyway, the only real exceptions being if you can't get it that way without spending an arm and a leg or it's not possible. Niether really applying to this.
Probably PC gamers to be more specific
I’m on Xbox one X I run 120 FPS with my monitor and if I ever switch it down to 60 FPS which I have a few times by accident it feels like your lagging almost or something is just off
you're not useless, you're wonderful, wishing you all the best!!!
Why do people think going “this video suck” is going to do anything to change noodle’s mind
5:55 "Here's an image of a little man. He's doing very well and I'm proud of him."
Thank you I love him
Image of that little man supremacy?
@@Anotherchild_lol yes kaja, image of the little man supremacy
@@Anotherchild_lol Thank you two, I've created a sect with this, now we kickin' the -je- juice
There are some people out there:
"ITS 2021+WHY ISNT IT LIVE ACTION?!?!?"
Because animation is good, and little man doesn't need to be real to like him.
@@jimhaney6384 good
This is the visual equivalent of “8D audio” remixes for songs where they slap random auto pan filters and reverb on an already mastered song completely ruining it
People really think they can make a thing, that was already fixed, improved multiple times and then released, better by adding a few effects or stuff, lol
I like 8d audio for the sole affect of me being in an empty room or the song playing from a far place, but I love the original more.
Oh, I understand now.
Omg so true
As a synesthete with enough damn spatial-acoustic processing BS going on to act like some kind of crazy-ass sonar and low-definition ultrasound just by existing near shit that isn't even making noise (why can I hear the structure of this filing cabinet?! Aaaaa) and go on magical journeys of instrument textures or even synth-induced psychedelic MIND MELT (the shit KNOWER did to "Die Right Now" is some kind of Eldritch, Escherian kaleidoscope of acoustic fake-outs wtf?) with an Audeze Mobius and well-mixed songs?
FUCK 8D AUDIO.
... While intended to be humorous, none of this is facetious. Stupid fucking bat ears don't even process words that well. Whee sensory processing disorder. At least we can have fun with it!!!
... Why did those vocals sound like they tasted sweet....?????????
You have forever ruined my eyes and now i cannot shut up about frame rates
Thank you noodle
I can finally understand what Naobito was talkin about in the Shibuya Arc, thank you.
I’m glad I'm not the only one who thought this.
I absolutely love your animation style by the way!
We all thought this
I animate on 24 fps and sometimes prefer 12 fps
why are you in absolutely every video i watch, i was chocked when i lookes on BFOS intro video and u was not there.
how did I really find you here
Dog you animate bfdi. Love your stuff though 👍
I actually animate my own OS my previous videos are just tests