Pastor REACTS to Latter-day Saint TRAGEDY and Ancestor
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Pastor Jeff explores the Hawn's Mill Massacre, Adam-ohndi-Ahmen and Nauvoo, Illinois with fellow Protestant, Allison Biggers as she tracks down a Latter-day Saint ancestor named Catherine McBride. This is a Hello Saints Documentary called Finding Catherine
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Hello Saints! My name is Jeff McCullough and I'm a Christian Pastor.
This channel is devoted to fighting criticism with curiosity as I invite dialogue between mainstream Christians and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. What do Evangelicals and Latter-day Saints agree and disagree about? Join me as I compare and contrast the lifestyle, culture and beliefs of Mormons and non-LDS Christians.
Chapters:
00:00:00 - An Inter-faith Quest
00:01:11 - Allison Biggers and Catherine McBride
00:02:30 - Touring Adam-ondi-Ahman
00:05:06 - Hawn's Mill Massacre of Mormons
00:11:38 - Significance of Nauvoo, IL
00:14:52 - Mormon Ancestor's Land
00:17:35 - Mormon Pioneer Cemetery
00:19:55 - Why Should Protestants Care?
If you enjoyed this, you might enjoy other videos of Pastor Jeff exploring Latter-day Saint sites: • Pastor Explores Mormon...
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So grateful for Allison’s willingness to share her story. Any details we missed that I should explore further?
Jeff, I don’t know how much of Joseph Smith’s history you have read, but when he first met with the Angel Moroni (a few years after the First Vision), after Moroni explained about the records of the ancient inhabitants in gold plates (later to be published as the Book of Mormon), he told him many other things regarding the future, how Joseph Smith’s name (who was an insignificant 17 year old middle child of a farming family in upstate New York) would be he for good and evil among all nations; he also quoted scriptures to Joseph Smith, including Malachi 3 (see Joseph Smith History in the Pearl of Great Price for the full details)…verse 38: And again, he quoted the fifth verse thus: Behold, I will reveal unto you the Priesthood, by the hand of Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
39 He also quoted the next verse differently: And he shall plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to the fathers, and the hearts of the children shall turn to their fathers. If it were not so, the whole earth would be utterly wasted at his coming.
When the first LDS temple was dedicated in Kirtland, Ohio - several ancient prophets, including Moses and Elijah bestowed the keys of their ministry on Joseph Smith. Elijah’s keys were the sealing keys to bind the Father’s family together forever (so that our family relationships can continue through the eternities).
It was beautiful seeing your friend experiencing the spirit of Elijah as her cousin has turned to her, and she has turned to her cousin, and a loving bond has been formed between two women separated by almost 200 years.
I have McBride relatives, but maybe hers was MacBride, as I couldn’t find Catherine in my line.
Here’s a detail that maybe of interest. I learned that the priesthood leader of the saints at Haun’s Mill was asked by Joseph Smith to move the group some place else but he didn’t give the saints there the message. I got that from a really good source but right now I can’t remember where but I’ll comment again if I find it so you can research that further if you would like to. It could be in one of the “Saints”books about the history of our church.
@@mycatwouldIt’s awesome to witness hearts turning to family such as this. Looks like her Catherine is Catherine Ruth John, born in 1778, married to Thomas White McBride, born March 12, 1776.
@@TanyaMillward That's interesting. She is my 2nd cousin 7 times removed. Meaning my 5th great grandpa is her 2nd cousin or my 8th great grandparents are her great grand parents.
@@netherquartz8946 Small world! Catherine is my maternal 12th cousin once removed.
As an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints who is heavily involved in family history and genealogy, this story hit home. Family is everything in my book. Thank you so much for allowing us to accompany you on this journey. The Haun's Mill massacre was a terrible page in history. Thank you for displaying the reverence and respect it deserves. We all need more people in this world like the two of you.
Wow, thank you so much for your kind words. 💙
I agree. I was a little nervous when I started watching this. I was worried there would be negativity and hatred. I am originally from Missouri and have lived in Utah for 5 years now. Lots of people who aren’t members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are very hateful about the Church. This video is exactly what you hope for when it comes to meeting and building relationships with people of different religions. We need each other. This is exactly what God wants us to do……To have grace and show each other love and compassion.
Everyone on the earth are his children. I love that.
And the Mountain Meadows massacre was a horrible blot on the Mormon cult.
You are correct that the Mountain Meadows massacre was also a horrendous stain in the history of the church. If you know anything about church history, you will also know Brigham Young sent orders to leave those people alone. Unfortunately, the letter arrived too late after fear and anger had set into the hearts of the few saints that were involved. The church has publicly denounced this unspeakable act more than once and has erected a second monument at the location to those whose lives were so viciously taken. Many of those involved in the attack were excommunicated from the church for their choices. You are mistaken when you refer to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as "the Mormon cult". First of all, members of the church are not referred to as Mormons. This nickname was given to church members in the 1800s by those not of our faith. Second, the church is not a cult. We believe in God the Eternal Father, in His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost as many other religions do. For additional information on the beliefs of our faith, please feel free to visit www.churchofjesuschrist.org.@@doctrinematters6900
My husband of 40+ years was so against the church for many many years until one day he picked up the book of Mormon and started reading it. It took him a year, but when he did, he absolutely knew the truthfulness of it then come to find out, he had all this pioneer heritage, and ancestors that were in the church back in the time of Joseph Smith, who even walked with Joseph Smith, who helped start the Relief Society with Emma Smith but then the church was lost somewhere down the line until my husband found it again and was baptized. It has been an incredible journey for him to find out about his ancestors..
Pastor Gino Q&A- Book of Mormon, is it of God?
@@jjohnsmith5801It is. It testifies of Christ and is a constant reminder that Heavenly Father loves us and wants us to return home to Him.
As a former missionary at Adam-Ondi-Ahman, we visited Hawn's mill several times. The Spirit that I felt there was overwhelming. As I stepped inside the fence surrounding the historical site, I felt as though the Saints who were murdered there were close by. I loved serving in the sacred land of Adam-Ondi-Ahman was the best mission of my life.
I have been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints my whole life and I have never heard this story told with so much passion and heart. Thank you so much!
Pastor Jeff, you should totally do your own family history and invite us on your journey! Your local family history consultants can help you find any missing pieces
Yes he should!
Yes and he will find out how important it is to do their work! The fact that he thinks baptism and confirmation and ordinances are not necessary, it’s beyond comprehension! This is Gods world we are talking about.
So what is everyone doing on the other side? I’ll tell you Working to progress, waiting for us to do the work here because we have the physical bodies to do so …. 😊
@@Lola-sz8zu please do not berate the Pastor for not believing or understanding fully our work for and in behalf of the dead. For a non-LDS individual It is a very hard concept in which to have faith. The Pastor is always polite, understanding and an overall good and faithful servant of our Savior. Thank you Pastor Jeff. Please do your family history. It is so interesting.
@@saavgames3592 If what you say is true. (I find it highly suspect) then when the other shoe drops it will have no bearing on my religious preferences. So what is his end goal? Money? Hate? Is it more like you, just ignorance. Do you always look for the worst in people? OMG 😂 I just saw that you are a gamer! You are in no position to attempt to analyze anything other than which gaming system is the best! 😂😂
@@saavgames3592 I have a slight understanding of coding. Do you know how hard it is to obtain an MBA and to speak three languages. So, do not get it into that conspiracy theory ridden brain that I am in anyway impressed with your “coding”. If you can be so easily mislead, that you fear you will lose your testimony “when the other shoe drops” then perhaps you should do some work on yourself. I am not the best member of the church, but at least I know that if The Good Pastor Jeff is a grifter, then so what. It does not affect the truthfulness of the Gospel. Until I hear a negative comment from Pastor Jeff, I will continue to watch and follow his journey. Stop using hypothetical situations as a debate fodder. You know things like, “He turns off the camera when he has bad things to say.” Show me proof. Do not hypothesis. This is not a video game. Are you a liberal? Let’s stick to the facts and quit using “What ifs”. Perhaps you were given a special gift of Judgement. Last I heard, judgement is reserved to a few people on this rock and then Christ himself. So, if Pastor Jeff has ill intentions it is still beneficial. It brings the crazies out who think they are in a position to judge their fellow man. So good has already came from his efforts. Have a lovely day.
Pastor Jeff, I think I have watched every one of your videos and this one got me. I am so grateful for your message. I think this is how Jesus truly wants us to treat each other. No matter what creed, religion, political side we are on, if we could treat each other with love and respect first, it would truly change the world! I wish we all could take this to heart and live like this. You seem like a really great person with a big heart and I love that you have included your family a little bit in some of these videos. I know what kind of courage that takes, the internet can be a really mean and brutal place. I just want you to know that what you are doing is really important. It is as if those who lost their lives in the early Church of Jesus Christ in Missouri have a voice through this video rising from the dust letting us know that it isn't brutality and terror that moves humanity forward, only love and kindness can do that. God bless you brother!
In Jesus Christ name, Amen!
Well done, Jeff!! I was raised in the Rochester, New York area, very close to Hill Cumorah, as a Presbyterian Protestant. I was baptized at age 33, in 1985 , in San Diego, Calif. and became a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. None of my extended family were members. I am still fully active in the Church, and NEVER regretted joining the Church. I really appreciated and enjoyed the story that Allison shared in this film, with you adding your great comments. Thank you both!!
What a neat story! thanks for sharing yours, Mr. Doyle :)
Thank you for your story
Good to read there is a NewYork Presbyterian Protestant I am a Presbyterian Protestant from belfast all I hear about is NewYork Catholic who raised money in there irish pubs in NewYork to fund The IRA I also joined the LDS church in Bangor N.ireland and I still keep in contact with the LDS missionary from provost that introduced me to the Mormon Church I can honestly say the LDS Church is the best Church I ever joined .
So cool! Thank you for sharing with us 🤗
@@Cyber_Cowboy The real battle today, is where Satan and his supporters are trying every day to destroy each one of Heavenly Father's children.
I love seeing how this woman is experiencing the spirit of Elijah. Over 200 years ago, when Moroni first appeared to Joseph Smith, he quoted from Malachi chapter 3, where it says in Joseph Smith History: “38 And again, he quoted the fifth verse thus: Behold, I will reveal unto you the Priesthood, by the hand of Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
39 He also quoted the next verse differently: And he shall plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to the fathers, and the hearts of the children shall turn to their fathers. If it were not so, the whole earth would be utterly wasted at his coming.”
This shows how important the family connection is, not only on earth, but through the eternities. This woman’s heart has turned to her relative who she never knew in this life. President Nelson has taught that the Lord is gathering Israel on both sides of the veil. Our ancestors and family who have passed on are just as interested in connecting with us as we are to connect with them.
As members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, we know that Elijah did return, and the sealing powers to unite families was given by Elijah to Joseph Smith in the Kirtland Temple.
"So often we dismiss one another, in the shadows of the steeples we don't identify with. And yet in His encounter with the woman at the well, Jesus shows us that sometimes it's ok to move beyond doctrine in order to truly connect with one another as people." That's pretty profound Jeff. Thanks so much.
I cried on this one. I was moved by Allison and her emotions. There’s something SO profound about family history. I’m glad she was able to go to Haun’s Mill and grateful to her for sharing her story with us!
Thank you so much!
It also touched me because I have a very similar story. I have a grandfather (Austin Hammer) that lost his life here, along with his brother in-law. I wondered if our ancestors knew each other, if they comforted each other.@@AllisonBiggers Thanks for sharing your own story
This was beautiful. I grew up in Texas in the Bible Belt. My mom and dad are converts to the LDS faith but still sent me to Baptist Bible School where my Uncle was the pastor. My friends were Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Catholic, Jewish, Presbyterian, non-denominational. One of the most beautiful things is that there is soooooo much more that unites us than devides us. Fundamentaly we believe the same foundational truths. I have discovered my own pioneer roots as well as the fact that my 11 times great grandfather was the Bishop on the Mayflower along with many of my direct ancestors. Geneology is the tie that binds and the spirit of Elijah. So beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing this beautiful story.
Thanks Pastor Jeff. For treading softly on sacred spaces. And for "seeing all the people".
This is one of the most beautiful videos I’ve seen on this channel so far. I’m a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and have my own reasons for feeling a deep connection to Haun’s Mill, Adam-ondi-Ahman, Nauvoo, and other places of significance in the Church’s history. But I think all of us (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or those of no religious faith at all) can identify with the desire for belonging and connection. Thank you for sharing this beautiful story and experience
Most memorable story from Hawn’s Mill:
“The wound was raw and ghastly. The hip joint was entirely gone. Amanda had no idea how to help him.
Perhaps she could send Willard for help, but where would he go? Through the thin fabric of her tent, Amanda could hear the groans of the wounded and the weeping of Saints who had lost husbands and fathers, sons and brothers. Anyone who might be able to help her was already tending to someone else or grieving. She knew she would have to rely on God.
When Alma regained consciousness, Amanda asked him if he thought the Lord could make him a new hip. Alma said he did if she thought so.
Amanda gathered her three other children around Alma. “Oh, my Heavenly Father,” she prayed, “Thou seest my poor wounded boy and knowest my inexperience. Oh, Heavenly Father, direct me what to do.”
She finished her prayer and heard a voice direct her actions. The family’s fire still smoldered outside, and she quickly mixed its ashes with water to make lye. She soaked a clean cloth in the solution and gently washed Alma’s wound, repeating the procedure over and over until the wound was clean.
She then sent Willard to gather roots from an elm tree. When he returned, Amanda ground the roots to a pulp and folded them into a poultice. She placed the poultice on Alma’s wound and wrapped it with linen.
“Now you lie like that, and don’t move,” she told her son, “and the Lord will make you another hip.”
Once she knew he was asleep and the other children were safe in the tent, Amanda stepped outside and wept.”
And Alma’s hip was healed
Knowing about your ancestors opens up so many emotions and can shift perspectives. It's a blessing to get to know them.
This brought me to tears. I can relate so much!
I could say that I was a pioneer of the church in my country of origin. I was the first member of the church in my family, my school, and my neighborhood when I was only 16. Then I went on a mission.
One day, while walking down the streets as a missionary, I, a small, frágil, 21 years old girl at the time, was approached by a man who started screaming at the top of his lungs and only a couple of inches from my face, that I was “with the devil.” I remember feeling frightened and didn’t understand why he was so mad at me for being LDS. Can’t even imagine how scared the early pioneers felt like having to actually run for their lives.
I’m so happy to know pastor Jeff because, in my case, that man was sadly of his same religious denomination, but obviously didn’t represent all of them. I now have an experience with a Christ like member of their church.
Pastor Jeff is not only studying the church, he’s also helping his members know us better. He is doing this in a very respectful manner. This means a lot to me personally.
We believe in Jesus Christ and many of us has sacrificed a lot to follow him. Because we love him.
Thanks so much ❤ We appreciate you!
Love your message. It echoes one taught in our faith, "Remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God; “For, behold, the Lord your Redeemer suffered death in the flesh; wherefore he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him” (D&C 18:10-11)
One story about my ancestor and seeing people in a different light. When my ancestor was fleeing West they stopped at a homestead. He told them he was a Kentuckian. The owner let him in a hosted them. In the evening, the owner was approached by a mob hunting Mormons. He declined saying that he was hosting a Kentuckian. The mob moved on. Thus my ancestor was saved. His name was John Lowe Butler.
I love his story. He worked so hard with limited resources. His wife Caroline was a Southern Belle but turned out to be a hardworking. They were gifted two slaves at their wedding. They freed them which angered his in-laws. I can't remember if it was the grand uncle or grandfather of Caroline, protected them as a judge. They were able to flee to Zion without family bloodshed. The judge didn't believe the same as them but he knew their rights and helped them.
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you, Jeff and Allison, for taking us on this very touching journey. The reverence shown for those historical locations was very beautiful.
As a Latter Day Saint I want to thank you for the reverence, respect, and tenderness you expressed as you traveled to these places that are sacred to me and to you. My family lived in Nauvoo. My 6th great grandfather was a blacksmith, and my 6th great grandmother was a midwife. They were personal friends to the Prophet Joseph Smith. Jane Johnston Black attended the surgeon who removed the balls from John Taylor who was shot and injured during the martyrdom of the Prophet and his brother Hyrum Smith. She was driven from her home when the Saints were forced from their homes. They crossed the frozen Mississippi River to Illinois. That fateful night she delivered 8 babies.
My heart swells with love because of the faithfulness of their beliefs and strength.
I love watching your presentations and pray for you all as you share this journey.
God bless you and your family ❤🙏🏻♥️
I really enjoyed this episode. It’s about things we’re all tender about-things we have in common. I have pioneer ancestry through both parents. I haven’t been to Nauvoo or Missouri or Palmyra etc., and likely won’t be. I really enjoy seeing podcasts of people walking around and the angle of the sun and the sounds (birds, crunchy grass). And I love how she feels tied to this place, in a different way than I do, but it’s strong. I am glad you took this opportunity and shared it with us.
Thank you. It was beautiful. My husband and I served in the nauvoo temple, and I had ancestors who lived in Nauvoo, and crossed the planes. So Nauvoo is very special and a sacred place to us. You did a beautiful rendition of her story, thank you for sharing it with us. Carol
Thank you for coming with us on our journey!
This is really nicely done. Thank you for seeing our humanity.
I love Nauvoo. It was so cool to stand on the corner where my 4th great-grandfather had his carpentry shop. I felt a deep connection to the people there, and had a spiritual experience standing on the banks of the Mississippi River. I'm so grateful I had that opportunity.
Hi everyone! Thanks for your feedback regarding Adam-ondi-Ahman.
From what I have been told, many fundamentalists believe he offered up himself, while mainstream members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe he offered up sacrifices. The beliefs with Adam-ondi-Ahman seemed to vary based on the people and material I studied.
I have many friends who are fundamentalists and many friends who aren’t, I definitely did my best. It’s an area of belief I would very much like to explore more to understand.
I’m always open to being corrected! Thank you!💙
That was a new one for me. Interesting though...
We follow what it teaches in the Bible, that Adam offered up a sacrifice to God after being cast out with Eve. They went on to have very many children as they were commanded to by God.
Thanks Allison
What kind of "fundamentalists" are we talking about? Many of these groups are so small that I would hesitate to use their doctrine as a mainstream interpretation. But I have a lot of respect for your desire to learn and understand.
Bravo on this one Pastor Jeff! I really think this channel is finding its true voice.
This was a very moving story. Thank you for sharing your personal story Allison. And thank you Jeff for providing the means for us to partake also. Ancestors can bring us all together because we were all created by God Himself. We are all His children. ♥️
Allison was right on about the voting power of the members of the church of that day being the biggest tension between them and the Missourians. The hottest political topic of the day was slavery. Members of the church were in favor of abolishing slavery. This threatened and enraged the Missourians.
that is true. tension did stir up a lot around the issue of slavery.
joseph smith was indicted for treason against the state, and skipped out across the river to avoid prosecution.
it was said he was trying to raise a rebellion of slaves against their masters, also trying to raise up the indians against the white settlers. then the mormons could buy up settled propety at a bargain price.
i don't know what the truth was, but the missourians really did not a bunch of mormons around
As I watched this video, I wondered if the attack had anything to do with slavery. Missouri was a slave state at that time, and most Mormons were traveling from northern states.
@@kevins4254 yes mo. was a slave state.
they eventually moved to illinois which was not exactly a slave state but resentment was high against negroes.
wiki says: In the decade before the American Civil War, an anti-Black law was adopted in the state, which made it difficult for new Black emigrants to enter or live in Illinois.
and of course mo. being a slave state also did not want free negroes roaming the countryside.
don't get too carried away thinking the civil war had a lot to do with slavery.
history has had plenty of time to white wash a lot of inconvenient truths.
grant owned a slave all the way through the civil war. the emancipation proclamation? that only went for southern states. lincoln was not going to get northern slave owners angry.
kentucky was a slave state and sent troops to both sides.
another border state was maryland which eventually went north, because the governor was in jail being held without habeus corpus.
i think it's fair to say negroes were considered an inferior race, and it was to their benefit to be brought to america as slaves. read the dread scott decision. also read the constitution of the united states. a slave was considered 3/5 of a white man for voting purposes.
i live in lancaster, pa. a few years ago you could go down to the river and see a colonial house and the slave hut out front.
they took down that sign in front of the slave hut, because of people's sensitvities about the subject.
but pennsylvania was a slave state as late as 1847.
Only 3% of any populace anywhere had slaves.. Given some places may have had many families with slaves..
Loved this, Pastor Jeff. So timely for me also as a descendant of Thomas and Catherine McBride. We just travelled out to all of those early church history sites, including Hawn’s Mill last month. We likewise had many spiritual, tender experiences understanding their sacrifices. Thomas was first shot in the chest with his own gun then brutally hacked to death with a corn cutter by the mob. This is a map found on his family search listing of the layout of Hawn’s Mill as described by the diary of another resident there.
I found James McBrides's autobiography where he talks about Thomas murder at Hauns Mill, where Catherine McBride , his sister was living with the Hauns family. Same or different family? This Catherine died in 1878, not at Nauvoo.
Okay… Now THIS was my favorite episode ever! I was definitely moved to tears by Allison’s story! Allison, thank you for sharing this sacred experience with us! I feel that the Spirit is guiding you along this journey… The Spirit was so strong as I watched this episode! May God bless you as you and Catherine continue to reach for each other through the veil! ❤
You and Allison should see how you are related.
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Yes. My ancestor Catherine McBride was the daughter of Thomas who was murdered. She died in Tooele while staying at her brother James’s home and was buried there. Her husband William M. Pope was buried in the Richmond, Cache County cemetery.
If not tragic enough, Thomas and Catherine’s son Thomas Jr. was strangled a few years latter at the age of 35 by a mob and died 3 days later while a grandson, Brigham McBride, died as an infant following exposure to a bitter Iowa winter in 1847. His family was forced out of their homes and across the Mississippi River at the hand of mobs also persecuting them for their religious beliefs.
One in 12 members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, called Mormons at that time, died as a result of being driven by force from their homes to face a harsh Iowa winter. Eventually the surviving family members travelled to Utah and elsewhere, including my own family to Arizona, where they thrived being able to worship God freely and thankfully as the US constitution intended.
I feel grateful to my 6th great grandfather, Thomas McBride, for his faithfulness to God and his family and to the ideals of this great country. His was a peaceful and Christian life I seek to understand, honor, venerate and also follow. In this way his story becomes my story and the story of our children. Find your family stories, including great pictures, on the free website
Familysearch.org
“the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers.” (Mal. 4:6.)
This is what yall did for Kathrine and Alice. It's why we do family history work in the church.
Thank you for this video.
I lived in St Jo Missouri for several years. I frequently traveled to Adam-ondi-Ahman, Far West, and Liberty. The first time I went to Adam-ondi-Ahman and started reading the plaques, I was overcome with emotion. I never went to Haun's Mill. There weren't any markers for it and you couldn't get out there unless you knew where you were going. It wasn't prepared for visitors as the other places. I went to Nauvoo at least 4 times. Walking down Parley Street, and the Trail of Hope, reading all of the names of the pioneers who didn't make it all the way to SLC, in the building at the end of the street, again, I was overcome with emotions.
I am the Family History specialist in my ward. I do a LOT of it. Allison, I am sure we are related in some way, and it might be fun to figure out. This was a very emotional watch for me, having been to these places and the feelings I had then, and watching this now. Very different from the videos Jeff has done in the past. I don't know if you have read the series, The Work and the Glory, but it has much about these areas and times. Volume 3 was VERY difficult to read emotionally. Where the other 8 books I would read in a weekend, that one took me days. I had to keep putting it down. History can be hard sometimes.
As far as missed details, because of all the reading I've done, etc. I do know what was missing and many in-depth details, but someone just following along with the videos when they come out, I'm sure they were fine with what was here.
Thank you for sharing your story. It is wonderful.
Amazing approach! I am LDS & love genealogy. I discovered last year that I am a descendant of pioneers as well. My 5th great uncle, Willard Glover McMullin, was a stone carver on the original Nauvoo temple. To watch the story of Allison's ancestors, touched me. It made me think of what and where my ancestors touched in Nauvoo. It has also lit the flame to find more information about them. Again, thank you for your time in Haun's Mill and Nauvoo. Thank you Allison for sharing your ancestor's story.
Thank you for watching our journey.
Thank you for your well rounded and compassionate videos.
Jeff, this fed my soul today. Thank you. Beautiful. 💟🙏
Another beautiful episode.
This dovetails so nicely with my own journey to understand my evangelical brothers and sisters better, by attending their meetings and musical worship services when the opportunity presents itself. By asking questions and listening with intent. It’s been a beautiful and instructive journey for me to see all these people worshipping the same Jesus I love…and learning more about Him through their story.
Walls of suspicion and misunderstandings are coming down as we learn to love each other as He taught us to do 2000 years ago.
Let’s continue walking this road and see where it takes us. 😊
Amen!
Very touching and well done. Feeling our hearts are being knit together. Thanks to you and Allison for sharing in such a loving and caring way. ❤
In His encounter with the Woman At the Well, He shows us it’s imperative to move beyond differences. It’s the entire point of His gospel. If we can learn to treat others with love just like she did, we’ve actually arrived. That’s why He did everything He did. This was so beautifully done. Thank you.
This was my favorite one so far! Thank you for your efforts in understanding each other! It means so much!
The Spirit, as felt through the work of Elijah the Prophet is surely alive and thriving, even among and especially among those who are not menbers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This work will surely unite the world, past, present, and future, in preparation of the Second Coming. Pastor Jeff, thank you for this!
What a wonderful story being told here! Just a note, @3:49 note that Adam did not offer himself as a sacrifice, but offered sacrifice to the Lord.
Hi there! From what I have been told, many fundamentalists believe he offered up himself, while mainstream members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe he offered up sacrifices. The beliefs with Adam-ondi-Ahman seemed to vary based on the people and material I studied.
I have many friends who are fundamentalists and many friends who aren’t, I definitely did my best. It’s an area of belief I would very much like to explore more to understand.
I’m always open to being corrected! Thank you!💙
@@AllisonBiggers Main stream LDS believe what is taught in Moses 5:5 "And he gave unto them commandments, that they should worship the Lord their God, and should offer the firstlings of their flocks, for an offering unto the Lord. And Adam was obedient unto the commandments of the Lord." That he was offering a sacrifice when he was kicked out of the Garden of Eden.
In a way, he not only offered up animal sacrifices of the firstlings of the flock…but he did offer himself as a sacrifice of obedience and a broken heart, and contrite spirit as Jesus Christ commanded in the New Testament.
Thank you!! Thank you for giving a voice to so many who have lived and died in their faith and were misunderstood so deeply.
I joined the Church of Jesus Christ on August 23rd 1981. At the time, I felt a DEEP love for the LDS people and never quit understood this profound depth of love I felt, until many years later when I too discovered I had ancestors...cousins who were early latter Day Saints...many of who lived in Navoo! It was a profound experience when visiting Navoo just 3 years ago... walking where they walked and seeing many of their names written on the markers of the houses. There are others including a great uncle who I know left with the Saints and came west with a wagon train, but I know very little more about him. I would love to know what he did in Navoo and why he chose to go west with the other Saints. 🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉
Thank you for sharing your story, Allison. I never realized there were people not members of my faith who shared the deep love and connections that I feel with my ancestors who were in Nauvoo, Winter Quarters, and other Church History sites. I share many of your feelings walking through Nauvoo, and I grew up knowing the history and the family connections there. Just this summer we took our children there, to the various sites and to the temple. It had been many years and our younger children had never been or were too young to remember our previous visits. We used to live in NE Missouri and visited regularly, but that was many years ago.
I deeply appreciate you coming on the journey with us. 💙
So awesome that you went to Hawn's Mill! And Nauvoo will always have a special place in my heart. Wish more people could understand and appreciate what you are doing here. And if others could understand our history better, I believe the animosity would dissipate.
This was so beautifully presented! As a life long member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I learned new things and felt the spirit. I agree we need to see ALL the people. Each one of us is a precious child of God. We are hear for a reason. Part of that is learning to understand and love one another. Again, thank you! This was beautiful.
Absolutely loved it, not going to lie, but ya i had some tears on this one. Loved the respect of these people who've suffered and endured. I love the true message of this video of connection and breaking down the walls of condemnation and hate in the pursuit of God's ultimate goal of having all his children come together as one people regardless beliefs. Jesus loved everyone even the "unlovable"..paster jeff you are showing a really good example of being a peace maker, while respecting these people that lived and died holding true to their convictions their faith when it would of been easier to submit to the environment they lived in. Thank you for the uplifting story of peoples struggles, survival and compassion for our fellow man AKA our brothers and sisters.❤❤
Well done. the history you explored is such a huge part of our lives. Thank you for sharing
I appreciate this journey you shared with us! I especially love your ability to see the NEED to connect through life, tragedy, faith and all that goes in between! “ See All The People”!
I really appreciate your effort to connect one another. I am a baptized. of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am now seeing all of the things we have wrong. I still go to this church but I am removing many of the faults traditions out of my life.
It’s a glorious journey to be on!! Now I feel more unified with all of God’s children. ❤
Very touching video, Jeff. I've studied the LDS Church for 40 years but have not learned the circumstances of Hawn's Mill. It's a very dark stain on American history. I also haven't visited Nauvoo, although I have driven through the area several times as my wife is from a nearby town.
As you study LDS history, I encourage you to visit Winter Quarters in Omaha, Nebraska. I lived in Omaha for several years and had the opportunity to visit Winter Quarters and the visitors center at the Omaha Temple. It's so interesting and emotional.
I really felt something here. This was beautiful. You are truly giften Jeff and what a beautiful soul Allison has! Thank you both!
Absolutly moving! Thank you for sharing in your experience with Allison. I think it's so wonderful that she is looking at her family history deep enough to go to Nauvoo and search for any information.
By this shall all men know ye are my disciples, that ye have love for one another. ~ John 13:35
Catherine McBride is my 4th great grandmother. Thank you for this video!
Oh wow!!!!! Thank you for sharing this!!!!🙌
Wonderful presentation of this story! Catherine and Thomas McBride are my direct ancestors, too. I enjoyed the connection.
Sacred kindness. Thank you both.
Great story and video. I'm LDS, and one of the most amazing moments in my life occurred when I was in the Missionary Training Center in Provo, UT. It was on July 24th, Pioneer Day in Utah, during the summer of 1987. We had gathered to hear from one of our Apostles (Elder M. Russell Ballard, if I remember correctly, who recently passed away). He spoke about the Pioneers and their experiences in Missouri and Illinois, and the trek to Utah. He spoke about the extermination order from Governor Boggs, then paused, and asked, "Will the great-great-grandson of Governor Lilburn Boggs please stand?" A young man in the audience stood up, a missionary at the MTC preparing for his own mission. It was electrifying!
Now I’m crying. Thank you for sharing this story. I will hope and pray that somehow she is able to find out more about other ancestors. They are with you!
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I must say this was truly a great and respectful video. I don't have pioneer ancestry in my family, but I know that my relatives came to the United States for a better way of life. I had a grandmother who was born in England in 1908, and her family came to the US because of the missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who had taught her family the gospel. My maternal grandparents joined the Church in 1976 and eventually served a mission in Paraguay in the early 80s. God has a plan for each of his children, and we truly have a loving Father in Heaven who wants us to return to live with Him.
I felt a sweet Spirit while watching this …Thank you so much for this Remarkable video ♥️
Beautifully done! SO happy for Catherine. ❤
Loved this!! Our faith in Heavenly Father unites us all 💗💗
My 4th great-grandfather and family also were at Hauns Mill when that massacre happened. They were able to escape and hide in the brush and that way survived. They ended up migrating west with the main body of pioneers.
Would your 4th great grandfather’s name happen to be John Walker?
sorry, no. David Evans.
A huge source of anger against the Mormon community in Missouri then was the fact that Mormons did not have segregated congregations and were even ordaining black priesthood members and sending them on missions (Elijah Abel, for example, was ordained a Seventy). Most Missourians were in favor of slavery.
That's right. The racism in US government and politics in general was the very reason Brigham Young put a temporary stay on ordaining Black males for a spell as to not overburden the growth of the church and the development of Zion.
Yes. There were two things fueling the antagonism, one was the voting block control they mentioned, the other was the political issue at that time of slavery. The LDS members were certainly against "any form of slavery" because of the understanding that "All People" are the sons and daughters of God. That Slavery "was not" what God set aside America's Liberty and Freedom for. The fact that it was so strongly felt was the main reason Joseph Smith actually ran for President of the United States to help rid our Nation of this plague. Thats the real fuel behind his life being taken.
missouri was a slave state. you would not be too popular if you took on an anti slave attitude in mo.
"THE EVENING AND MORNING STAR" EXTRA.
July 16, 1833.
Having learned with extreme regret, that an article entitled, "Free
People of Color," in the last number of the Star, has been misunderstood,
we feel in duty bound to state, in this Extra, that our intention was not
only to stop free people of color from emigrating to this state, but to
prevent them from being admitted as members of the Church.....To be short, we are opposed to having free
people of color admitted into the state; and we say, that none will be
admitted into the Church
@@longnamenocansayy That was propaganda attempting to ingratiate the bigoted Missourians from mobbing Mormons. It didn't work, and it wasn't true. Consequently women were r@ped and men were killed at Haun's Mill, and the Governor signed an extermination order. Much later, when Joseph Smith was running for Pres in 1844, he ran on a platform to end slavery, which cost him his life.
Jeff as a Christian who use to live in ogden Utah I am going to have to say that was one of the best episodes you have ever done .
Very moving and tragic story. Had me in tears. How can people be so cruel? Family history can have some heartbreaking tales, and yet still unite generations centuries apart. ❤
I am through my father's ancestral line a descendant of Hyrum Smith, the older brother of Joseph Smith. Basically, Hyrum is my great, great grand Uncle. My Parents met one another in Wiesbaden, Germany serving as the NATO U.S. Contingent during the Korean War. My dad was in the Army and my mother was serving in the Air Force. My Mom a Hawaiian woman wanted to see the world so she and 4 of her girlfriends joined in Hawaii and ended up across the world in Europe. My Father had just returned from his 3-year Mormon Mission to Mexico/East Texas Mission. My Dad was one of two soldiers hand-plucked from 500 troops to go in the opposite direction to Europe ending up in Germany.
I know that my parents' meeting was not a coincidence. How do a boy from San Bernardino, California, and a girl from Kalihi, on the Island of Oahu, in the State of Hawaii (The Hawaiian Islands are the most isolated land mass in the world) find one another in Wiesbaden West Germany?
Ok, I will tell you, Hyrum Smith from his second wife Mary Fielding Smith had two children, the eldest Joseph Fielding Smith, and his sister Martha Ann Smith, who would become Martha Ann Harris, wife to William Jasper Harris. This all will make sense I promise. Joseph F. was very young when his father was murdered in Carthage. The leaders of the Church promised Hyrum after he and Joseph were arrested that they would look after young Joseph and his mother and sister.
Once in Utah, young Joseph F. got into some trouble, he beat up his schoolmaster for whipping his little sister for being late to school, she was late because she did not have shoes and could not walk quickly like the other children. So, her big brother decided to educate the educator so to speak, yes, the teacher ended up in the hospital and Joseph ended up on a train to San Francisco at the age of 14 to work until he could afford passage to the Sandwich Islands or Hawaii! Joseph would serve two Missions for the Church in Hawaii, he was and is to this day endeared to the Hawaiian people and to the members of the Church.
I served my full-time Mission in the Honolulu Hawaiian Mission from November 1979- to November 1981 while I had a very sacred experience on how did I get to this place in my life journey? How did I belong in this world? then it settled on me, no not some miraculous thing just a calm moment of clarity as I thought about my Mom most days while serving in this place called Hawaii, it just settled on me that Joseph F. Smith had something to do with this from beyond the veil of the spirit world. Matchmakers from heaven!
Thanks for listening.
I love your journey!
I was in Nauvoo this weekend. I got to see the touristy sites with our young children and buy a Nauvoo star to put on my Christmas tree. What I love even more is driving through the town and seeing the plots and homes where my ancestors lived in Nauvoo. The crowning event of a Nauvoo trip is always doing proxy work for my ancestors in a temple on the exact spot where my ancestors helped build a temple a century and a half ago.
Nauvoo is a special place. It brings me closer to my ancestors and my Savior.
I’m so happy for you that you feel close to Catherine and Thomas in their two different places where they lie unmarked. Keep searching their religion and when you feel good about the gospel, you can become part of it. You will be closer and closer to them and one day get to know them, and share testimonies and be a totally together family. She won’t be lost from you anymore. Bless you both! I’m 73, but have a memory when I was little of playing the finger and hand game if “here is the church, and here is the steeple”. I had a wonderful life. I’m 73 now, and sure enjoyed your entire video!
Oops, I stressed my age two times. Sorry! My brain is a bit”foggy”!
This is one of the best videos you've done! I am very impressed with both, Allison's and Jeff's willingness to get to know Latter-day Saints. Keep doing your research Allison, you may find more ancestors who were Pioneers.
Indeed! ✅
Thank you, Jeff and Allison, for sharing this and other stories; that different doesn’t make us less, or more, especially in the Lord’s eyes. And that we can connect, even when we have significantly diffenrt views. You teach us all vauable lessons about the two great commandments.
Thank you!
A comment for @AllisonBiggers: In 2007, I met a man (about 40 years old at the time) who had been raised in Nauvoo, non-LDS. He retold a story about working with his grandfather to re-lay the pavers of his grandfather's walkway to the front door. He had always wondered why all the walkways in that part of Old Nauvoo were so narrow, only about 18 inches wide. When they pulled them up to begin the work of leveling and resetting them, they discovered that the pavers, about 18" x 30", were really headstones from the old Mormon Cemetery, inscribed with names and dates that would be familiar in pioneer genealogy. The cemetery abandoned, the stones had been repurposed. Your cousin may not have been laid hastily in an unmarked grave. They may not have been in such a hurry, even in the face of an armed and hostile eviction, to appropriately mark her place of rest until Christ comes again.
Woah 😳😢
This makes sense to me and for some reason it’s also sad. I appreciate you sharing this.
Disrespecting grave markers 😢😢😢
Beautiful story. Very touching! ♥️
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
This is a great testament of how FamilySearch (and family history research in general) has helped people make connections, learn about themselves, and find meaning in life.
I love how Allison was almost constantly smiling throughout the video. And I love what she said about us all being the same.
Awe, thank you! I was very happy. Truly a once in a lifetime experience to document this and share it with the world!
Pastor Jeff I was raised in the lds community. We used to entertain our young selves through Sacrament Meeting with “here is the church….” As a blessed Evangelical Jesus follower, the biggest aha moment was that “the church” is not talking about a building. It is in fact the people together with Jesus as the head. Making even deeper sense of “all the people”!
Pastor Jeff, Thank you so much for this video with Allison. Your words and prayers for togetherness really hit home for me!
This was a very touching film! Ist the best one yet, Pastor! It made me cry. I really loved the connections made with the land and Allison and Catherine's journey.
You are right, we aren't that different. Latter Day Saints came from other foundational faiths throughout the world. Our roots are with the Protestant, the Baptists, Evangelicals and Methodists, etc. It was these faiths that gave them the rich heritage of the Bible. Acceptance of incredible sacred events like a Father and Son appearing in earth again, angelic visitation, and restoration of the Priesthood keys to the earth again was something so many people were looking for. That these things were on the earth again resonated with so many religious people. They wanted and need to believe that God did not abandon revelation and biblical ritual.
I have ancestors that walked the same path as Catherine. I also have my own modern pioneer in my family. My mother was a young convert and became a Latter Day Saint after being raised as a Southern Baptist. Those roots are close to my heart and that faith in God came with her and was built upon in the Church.
Thank you for helping me to recognize how important my own ancestors story is. What a beautiful film!
Thank you from my heart for this most important episode.
So deep and truthful amd filled with love.
I’m weeping right now and have a lump in my throat and it’s hard to put into words my feelings…
I’m Mormon following your podcast for a few years now…. But this episode has reminded me just how important our family history truly is…
So touching, no matter what the difference is, we cannot deny that all of us came from God and want to follow and obey in the best we can. Only God can judge at the last days. Knowing your ancestors and have connection with them is great because without them, we will never exist today ❤
Well done and very powerful Jeff and Allison. There's amazing and deeply dark history in so many places.
As Jeff and probably Allison know I'm in the KC area, and I actually grew up in Independence, and currently live in Clay County. I actually drive by the Liberty jail location taking my daughter to flute lessons at William Jewell College. But I did not grow up in the Restoration, but I grew around it.
In more recent years, especially the last couple of years I've really dug in to try to learn more of the history. I've heard of what we know here as the Mormon Wars. And I learned some from a book from a former RLDS member about what happened. And now I continue to learn more. What happened at Hawn's Mill was horrible. And the driving out of the Saints from Independence was definitely not good. Governor Boggs' extermination order was so terrible and sadly much of the early Latter Day Saints time in Missouri was ugly.
But yet it's easy to be here and live around it and not engage in it. There's an aspect of entertainment growing up in watching my RLDS and LDS friends argue particular points of doctrine and history, and yet, did I really know my friends? I've been in the RLDS auditorium dozens of times, graduated from High school there. Walked past the Church of Christ Temple Lot and been curious as to "what's that" and yet not dug in until recently. Walked past the LDS visitors center in Junior High gym class to get to a field the LDS church owned to use it for outdoor field games.
It's interesting how we can be around each other, even be critical of each other, and yet not take the time to get to know each other. Hopefully as we all learn together and grow together, we'll become better people to each other. While I'm not any form of the Restoration, and don't have any reason to believe I will be, I think I'm a better person for coming to know better the people in the Restoration and taking the time to learn about these people who bear God's image.
What a lovely tribute. My great, great, great, great grandmother was a widow in Nauvoo, as well. Thank you for treating this with such dignity and love.
Pastor Jeff, former Mormon here. Couldn’t resist clicking on this video. Catherine McBride was my ancestor as well. Their daughter was my 4th great grandmother. She died and was buried at the Tooele, Utah cemetery as she was staying with her brother James there. Her husband was buried at the Richmond Utah cemetery.
Thomas who was a veteran of the war of 1812, was 62 when he was murdered, hacked to pieces with a corn cutter while pleading for his life, and then shot with his own rifle he had surrendered to them. It’s hard to believe people could be so cruel.
Even though I don’t believe in the LDS religion anymore, I do appreciate the sacrifice my ancestors made for what they sincerely believed was true.
Bless.
Oh my heart I bawled watching this. Thank you Jeff and Allison for doing this video. It was very special to me. ❤
Thank you for allowing us to share the journey. 💙
@@AllisonBiggers ♥️
Probably my favorite installment you've created thus far! Perhaps a few more like this where you connect a person to a place and tell their story, explaining how it expands your understanding of our faith. Researching my own family history and reading first-hand accounts has deepened my own understanding.
Just beautiful.... Everything about this is beautiful. Thank you, Jeff.
Hi Allison. Just watched your video with pastor Jeff. Thank you. I am a descendent of Thomas and Katherine through their son James who is buried in Grantsville, Utah, the town where I grew up. Hope to get back to Nauvoo someday. John Millward
Thanks for the video, My ancestors would have known Catherine, as they also were LDS living in Ohio, Missouri and Nauvoo.
I appreciate your channel and openness.
Malachi 4:6
"And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."
Learning about your ancestors is powerful.
I really like this video. This one hits home for me. I was always told growing up that our family was connected in some way to the Hawns Mill Massacre. Later on I figured out the connection. It is something that has always stayed with me and I feel a deep connection to those people. Thomas McBride was murdered and dismembered by the mob/militia in a very vicious manner. In this video they were so close to mentioning my 3rd Great-Grandfather's sister. In the video she mentions James McBride and where he and his mother and siblings lived in Nauvoo. A few years after his mother, Catherine McBride's death, James McBride marries in Nauvoo to Olive Mehitable Cheney who was my ancestor's older sister. They ended up crossing the plains and experienced all of the trauma and hardship that went along with being pioneers in the faith at that time. Later on, they settled south of Tooele Utah in a small town called Grantsville. At some point in the late 1860's Olive ended up taking care of her elderly mother Mehitable Wells Cheney until her death. One cool thing that still exists are letters of correspondence between Olive Cheney McBride and her brother Elam Cheney my ancestor.
Wow! What a great video and a touching message. Such a tribute to Catherine McBride and the early Saints. Thanks so much for posting this.
I grew up in Independence, MO for most of my life. Such rich history there. Thank you for visiting and making this video!
Allison, Thanks for sharing, you touched my heart.
Thank you for watching.
I have visited Nauvoo twice in my life, but your video really put this town into a much different prespective for me, which I really should have taken before. We visted the town mainly for the purpose of church history, but I realize, and wathcing this video has made it more impactful, that at least 4, maybe even more, of my ancestors lived in Nauvoo. All that I can think of migrated to Utah.
That was beautiful Jeff and sister. Made me cry. I am a member and get so tired of the negativity, can't we all just love each other in spite of our doctrinal differences because in the end we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.
A most thoughtful and touching story of ancestral connection. Well done Jeff... and thank you Allison for sharing your thought provoking journey. Obviously, Catherine McBride made a choice and commitment to exercise her faith in a religious movement founded and led by Joseph Smith Jr., and it appears to be the faith she wanted her family to be raised in. That early history was definitely fraught with untold suffering and tragedy. I suppose for many American Christians, Allison's journey isn't too dissimilar to the descendants of those whose tragic stories shaped the Civil War. The feelings of grief and connection to those ancestors who were in the center of shaping parts of our tragic history.
Lots to think about here.
I felt the spirit so strongly, I’m just in tears. I’m just starting my family history journey and this was inspiring to keep going and find those connections. Much love to you and your family.
I’m also related to the McBrides, Thomas McBride is my 6th great grandfather. Thank you for sharing!
I love Allison‘s statement that we are the same because we are all souls. I think that sometimes when we define ourselves by the churches we attend we separate ourselves from one another.
Christ is the head of the church.
I lov9ed the nursery rhyme you did at the end. It brought back memories of when I was growing up in the Methodist Church. I joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when I was 19 and have never regretted it, but I have some great memories of MYF (Methodist Youth Fellowship). And I remember doing the hand motions to "Here is the church, here is the steeple....."
Love your channel! You are an amazing person! I would love to see you make a video on how biblically based the LDS church is. There is a great talk that I have heard that goes into it pretty deep, I think you would find it very interesting! It's called "What is the Blueprint for Christ's Church" it's by Tad R. Callister.
Anyway, keep doing good and bringing your light to the world! God bless you!
I agree. Love that talk by Callister. So much stuff in there. I hope Pastor Jeff will check on that one.
Wonderful episode. One of my great grandfathers Oliver Walker is buried in the Old Nauvoo cemetery. I have been there. I love Nauvoo and it's beautiful temple. Nice work pastor Jeff. Hope you are enjoying Utah and being received well. It's a beautiful place as well. Best wishes on your continued efforts.
5:59 you cannot forget that a major issue was the stance on slavery. Missouri was going to vote on being a slave state and the church members were overwhelmingly against slavery. That was the main issue. They were scared they would say the vote on that.