What to Expect from the Su-27 Flanker in War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- Ask, and you shall receive. By popular demand, the next installment is out; for the Su-27, the infamous counter to the F-15 Eagle that I covered last week. Enjoy!
00:00 Intro
00:35 Flight Performance, vs Eagle
02:14 Soviet Era (SARH)
06:10 Why I think Su-27S
07:26 Fox-3 Flankers (Russian Era)
09:49 The Final Flankers (Thrust Vectoring)
Music used: • Tournament of Aces - P...
Outro Music - "Just Free" produced by Lucas Ricciotti under license, used with permission: • How To Train Your Drag...
Discord link: / discord - Ігри
I hope the at least pull the brs apart to like 13.7 at least because compression is still present way too much at 10.0 to 12.3
11.0 is good rn
Oh yeah, ever played 9.7/9.3? No downtiers, no even tiers, only up tiers every. Match.
@@CorneliusTheWizardDog hahaha
Yeah I’ve suffered plenty in my 3.2k hours of this game
F104a
The f3h the mig 19 and all the other good planes that suffer
The matchmaker is fucking nuts at those brs
@@theycallmetray396 I mean the downtiers are nice and you get some good matches but then 12.0 comes along every few games and you are forced to fight a mig29 or an f16a in the f4e or other worse aircraft
@@from_George_with_luvmuch less the bad planes... The Mig 21 f-13 is literally unplayable.
I hope that Britain doesn't get another harrier next update
Most probably a grippen
Part of me hopes they do 😈
Give them a rank 6 instead
I hope they don’t get anymore modern stupid commonwealth things
@@iiiiil4552what top tier commonwealth does britain have at top tier
You should make a video comparing the AIM-120 R-77 PL-12 MICA Etc. Their strengths and weaknesses and which of these would be the best at what
Can't wait for the SU-27, possibly one of my top 3 russian/Soviet aircraft
flanker posting flanker posting lets goooo
WE ARE FLANKER POSTING
The most beautiful aircraft ever designed and it is not debatable
eh x-32 looks way better by a long shot
It’s butt ugly
It's pretty debatable lol
@@ferrous3262 the F-35's orphan brother
I’ve been saying this for a while lol just like the F-16 and MiG-29 releasing together, the F-15 and Su-27 have to release together. Then later on maybe the F/A-18 Hornet and the Su-33 Flanker D.
its really hard to compare the two realistically, the su-33 actually had worse flight performance than the su-27. canards were added to help with wing area at low speed for carrier landing, but outside of that the canards on the 33 actually hindered it. additionally, the acceleration was worse and the extra thrust given by the engines was only meant to be used for carrier launches
the MiG-29K or early Su-27 would be a much more realistic counter to an F-18
I hope gijin doesn't disappoint us 😔
they will. they literally always do.
@Indexium just because your right....
Yeah probably:(
@Indexium even though the last few updates have been amazing in both gameplay experience and content, yeah gajin is doing such a terrible job.
Truly a gijin moment
The Su-35 Irbis Radar is almost rear facing, Since it can swivel it can keep a target locked upwards of 120 Degrees to the left and right, you can semi go cold with it, and notch fight an opponent. Also the Radar can lock an F-16 sized target (3m Square) up to 350km away, that is also because the radar is a further evolution of the Mig-31 Zaslon Radar which if any of yall know about, its a terrifying Radar to go up against and the range is absurd. It can lock onto bombers almost 500km away.
So it is an ESA radar that can swivel?
For some reason I doubt that it can lock a bomber from 500kms away
@@Skoodelly The Radar is a further development of the Zaslon radar found on the Mig-31, Its an extremely Powerful PESA and its huge.
The Mig-31 could already see 500km away and lock onto bombers at 500-450km away. The Irbis is better then the Zaslon in terms of power output and features.
@@mullayho1759 The most powerful PESA Radar in the world in terms of fighter mounted. 500km range, and can Lock onto targets and track up to 120 Degrees to the left and Right. I personally do not know why no other nation uses Radar Swivel mounting systems, you would never have to break lock with it.
@@dankaloww1067 Just saying that I really doubt the russians made an airborne radar that can see and engage things 500kms away for some reason but time will tell (not it wont)
Obviously us brits getting the typhoon next patch (im delutional)
gaijin said you would but later, they said it is to early for it rn]
England could get the southafrican Grippen
Or just enjoy your aim-120 in the Tornado
Nah they would get another harrier
Mmmmmmmm glueless
Very surprised you didn't mention the R-27EA at all. It's an R-27ER with an active seeker instead of semi-active. While less maneuverable, its essentially the in-between of the R-77 and 77-1. At least in flight performance anyway, it is a fairly rare missile, so it's seeker is relatively unknown in it's specs, but it's suspected to be the same as the standard R-77, as they were around the same time.
it was never built
@@TheDAWinz yes it was. They're just ER's with swapped seekers. There's only a couple hundred of them.
But also, even if it wasn't, that's hasn't stopped Gaijin before.
@@TheDAWinznot that it really matters considering we have the F16AJ,Yak141,the Ho229 etc
@@unskilledwarthunderplayer4011it does matter since those planes still use real missiles. But if they decided to add it I think instead of R-27EA, R-27EP would be interesting even though it doesnt have any place in the current META
It never left the paper phase, its entirely unrealistic to add.
Tbf I’d love to see the flanker added into WT at some point as it’s such a sexy looking aircraft. (The SU-27 is one of those vehicles I’ve been wanting for a while now.)
I am really enjoying these! Keep it up!
why do i see you everywhere
Glad to hear it! This was a LOT of work
real@@leo32406
YES PLEASE do the Gripen next. I've only looked through wiki pages to see and have my own predictions about what's to come, but I'm so excited to see all of these powerful aircraft come to war thunder. I love learning so much from this game and these videos, thank you!
Editing is really nice in this Lee, keep it up
Thanks man! I'll do my best!
Very nice and well researched video.
Note: There's actually 2 major types of Su-27S: an "early" type from 1985 and a "late" from 1987. Their only practical differences ingame would be the amount of countermeasures. External changes are the presence of an antiflutter counterweight on the fins (similar to what the F-15 has on the very top of its own rudder fins) and a smaller tailboom (with less chaff/flare dispensers and less ECM equipement) on the earlier variant.
Also, there's a small batch Su-30M2 that Gaijin could eventually bring as premium or event vehicle. This variant is based on the Chinese (or Indian?) export version and it's very similar to the Su-30SM, but without the canards. In real life there's only about 20 of them in service with the Russian Air Force and are all alocated for training.
I want to understand the enemy
Thats a big note
Su-30M2 is based off chinese Su-30MKK and are from Knaapo company, Su-30SM, MKI, MKA, MKM, etc (the canard tvc ones) are from iapo company
Loving these types of videos lee
Glad to hear it!
Flankers ah man, can't wait for them.
as with the f15 vid, i officially give this my "has good music" stamp of approval
also thats a nice outro
br decompression when gaijoobles gib me
I'm glad to recieve your stamp of approval
love this new format keep going😍
Thanks! Will do!
The Khibiny is actually an Electronics Warfare pod that's attached to the end of each wing tip on the Su-27 series aircraft (from what I understand, in exchange for carrying 2 less R-73/4s), not an RWR sensor.
Though how much the Khibiny matters is debatable since it's unknown if War Thunder is gonna simulate Electronic warfare in game.
I think china might get the j10 before the j11. Depending on weather the M2Ks get MICA's they might also get the Taiwanese M2K as a stopgap instead.
Me when I just finished the France air grind for the mirage two months ago 💀💀💀💀💀 I was hoping for a Taiwanese m2k but I got impatient and said fine I’ll get it myself 😂
@@thatoneguy1741i feel that
J10 is more modern than J11, despite J11 being better in most aspects (depends on the variants, but yes)
Great stuff, gripen and rafale would be great videos to do
Gripen coming soon!
And EF - 2000.
Me still hoping that we will get the R-27P/EP missile soon (its a air-air passive radar homing missile and yes it has been mass produced, it was designed to either shoot down AWACS or very powerful Radar Fighters, the F-14 would definitely attract this missile).
where did u get info that it was mass produced ? most of the time i discuss abt it people say it was cancelled or just had prototypes. can you send me a link or tell me where i can find info about it.
"passive", so what you mean to say is it's an air to air anti radiation missile. Got it.
@@hemendraravi4787 The missiles have been mass-produced since 1986. There is little information about it in the western part of the net, since the R-27P/EP was banned from sale to other countries until 2004.
@@Scorchluck where can i find more info about this ?
@@hemendraravi4787 I could not find information on the volume of production - in 2020, there was an article on the website of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation about all variants of the P-27, but apparently the missile has now been discontinued (or rather removed from modernization), and the article has disappeared. Google remembers it, but the link is empty. In 2019, the last modernization of the R-27P and R-27R missiles was carried out to the R-27P-1 standard with a combined guidance head - a passive radio head leads the missile on the main segment of the path, along with the datalink of the aircraft, and on the final segment the active radio head in the missile itself is triggered. There was an article about this in "Izvestia" dated May 29, 2019 - "The old men are going into battle: fighters will be armed with missiles for duels" ("В бой идут «старики»: истребители вооружат ракетами для дуэлей") about this modernization, I don't know if I can give a link to the site in the comments. Taking into account the fact that the R-27P was laid down as the main missile for modernization, it can be assumed that at least for 2019 it was in industrial quantities.
Su-37 terminator would be interesting to see eventually. Idk
@@FirstDaggeryak 141 was never armed either
Gaijin should start focusing on Rank 8 ground, I want the
Germany: KF51, Leopard 2A7, PzH2000
Ussr: T-90M, T-14
0:48, I just had a heart attack when that r-73 went for your teammates
Just a few things:
1.) The Su-27 wouldn't go after the Su-17M4. The Su-24 and Su-34 go there since they're attack vehicles. I would expect the Su-27 to go right after the SMT while the Su-33 would go after the Yak-141.
2.) China got the F-16A MLU the same patch that the F-16s came to the game, so there isn't much stopping them from putting the J-11 into the Chinese TT if the Su-27 comes as well. China of course wouldn't need a J-11 (the MLU getting AMRAAMs would do just fine), but I wouldn't say Gaijin would limit China.
I cant wait to use this video in march, when its added
December*
Classic Gaijin, America only getting a Mid 70s Jet and Russia possibly getting an early 2000's Jet
this has never happened
@@ferrous3262 it happens all the time, especially with ground
@@ferrous3262Russia with 90s-2000 missile while america still stuck with 70s missiles lol.
@@areyou0k98 he said jets not missiles his statement is wrong use has the f16c block 50 from the 2000s
@@LewisB3217 ground rb wasn't mentioned no need to bring it up Russia and America both got a jet from the 2000s in the same patch mig29smt and f16c
RAAAAAH FLONKER!!!! J-11B RAAAAH. I doubt see it anytime soon. Probably the Su-27SM first.
btw the j11b can use pl12 n r77 n r27er right ?
su33 my beloved
Project wingman mentioned :DDD
There is a R-27EA and EM with active radar seeker head they will probably give to later Su-27 instead of R-77.
Pretty good video. Su-30 had R-77 capability and was erroneously referred to as the Su-27PU, it was actually the T10-PU5.
The Su-30S and SM followed shortly after, M being capable of multirole, and would be the analogue to the F-15E, not the Fullback.
This will go great as a counter part to the f-18 hornet when that comes next patch!
WRONG!!! Eagle
@@GeneralLee2000 WRONG hornet
dude i’d hate to see him if they add the hornet instead of the eagle lol
F-18 with aim 7Ps/ 9Ms
@@andrewm8924i just want the F-15 already so I can retire this fucking F-4E already lmao
another one of Lee's skitzo posting (i love it)
1:57 well that aged beautifully 😭😭
😭
Very good
This sheer number of new yachts from just one aircraft is incredible
??
@@hemendraravi4787 it’s a joke about the Russians stealing money from their military programs (still happens today)
I’d definitely like them to try to introduce the naval version at the same time
Or bring it in whenever the Hornet shows up because Hornet also has insane (for the game) missile load capability
Nah, su-33 needs a different modeling. Gaijin will introduce it separately. Cause they are lazy and greedy AF.
Regular Hornet counter for me would be MiG-29K ( Actually KR is Russian variant )
I think it's made on a whole new base that is MiG-29M's base...
It has similar or same radar as SMT does...
And more pylons... so 2x ER's and 6x R-73's or R-77's
And god knows what else
Only problem with the r77 aim120 theory is that gaijin stated that they want to add all fox 3 missiles to almost every country at the same time (-Germany as they have nothing capable of carrying one)
F4F ICE could carry Aim120s for Germany I think, but its still a F4
whats the 3rd they want to add? pl 12?
F15C and SU27PU would be great because they are pretty comparable aircraft. They will probably add the F15A and the SU27S first tho
The F-15A will definitely not be enough to fight the Su-27S. Should we add the F-15 then only C
@arflash_ well. The S can't use R77's. I have no clue what they will do. I'm just ready to grind the next aircraft. Got Germany, USA, France, and USSR. There are more nations but I'm too lazy to grind that shit. Hopefully something crazy comes for Christmas. C and the PU/30 would be awesome
I’m betting su27m and f15c
@@Likeaworm Su-27M? There seems to be no such thing, I only know the Su-27SM
@@arflash_ SU-27M got renamed into the SU-35
6er's is gonna go crazy
I'm surprised you didn't include that the su-27 was built off of stolen f-15 diagrams lol, that always triggers su-27 stans when they hear that haha.
I hope we get the Su-30MKI, it has some interesting loadout options
For the f15 to exist it needs the mig25 to exist also
F-15A vs MiG-25PD
F-15C vs MIG-31BM
@@STRYKER1467 yes
I hope the j11 comes at the same time. I dont want to have to wait months to get a chinese flanker like the german mig 29
You also totally missed the Su-35S Flanker-E. Also Su-34 is more like an F-111, Su-30 has been used in F-15E like roles.
IMO AIM-120/R-77/MICA tier missiles should be intoruced on bricks like Tornado ADV, Mirage F1 etc... Highly capable platforms with OP missiles will break high BR gameplay even further unless major changes to matchmaker are made.
Mirage F1 can’t even carry MICA’s
@@SimplyShar_ Not the ones in game, but F1 MF2000 can. I see no bad in adding export versions, IMO it makes more sense than prototypes.
Will you do this kind of video with the Gripen aswell?
I mean the j-11 was already on the leak list; which is looking to be mostly correct
The J-11's should have been discussed here. Some of the very best modern Flankers are J-16's and J-11D's
I said the same thing and lee replied saying that there are way to many Chinese versions they it should have its own video
I'm gonna make a dedicated video for Chinese flankers at some point, I said in the video that I was focusing on the Russian ones in this video.
idk about and i like all this new stuff gaijin is adding but. im still waiting for my mig-31 fox hound to come since i remeber a bunch of people including me asking for it when the mig 23 was added. i would love to missle joust like those f-4's launching their long range radar missles from 8km away or just be a better f-14. though i can only dream
Correction: Su-30 / Su-27PU is Flanker-G, Flanker-C is the Su-27UB trainer
My bad lol
idk where talk of the backwards facing radar in the Su35 came from. there was plans to add one to the Su57 but it didn’t make it into the production model because of cost reasons
I hope we have the Su-37 too
F-15 Eagle STOL/MTD would be a cool aircraft to add
Was never armed.
I was really watching the MiG-29 gameplay thinking, "Have I seen this before?" Took me 5 minutes to realize that it was from your stream. And since the Yak Line is kind of a Naval Line and there's nothing else really to add (expect maybe the 130), do you think the Su-33 would go after the 141?
su27k/su33 could go there
MiG 29K could also get added
Yak-141M probably with 6 missiles instead of 4(including r-73 and r-77)
Mig29k/su27k
Hahaha, yeah that's why I was playing the MiG-29. And yeah, I expect the Su-33 and MiG-29K to go after the Yak-141
How about the Su-27M/Su-35 (early)? Single seat Flanker with canards + modified airframe, but no TVC.
Hopefully we get new pilot models too
the F-15P(een) strikes again! but the glorious flanker will win 💥💥
I've found that the ru. version of the wikipedia article for the Su-27 and MiG-29 is MUCH better, though apart from that any more technical source is best
What to expect: it to be better than the f15
I love my Su-34
remember when they stopped finishing cockpitmodels? I do.
the chat in the first match ☠
Gripen video would be pretty good, might help Sweden mains not get their hopes up for having "the best fighter"
In the works :)
Su27sk is not a downgraded version, along with all other su-27 variants exported to China, you can find plenty of documents proving this fact.
thx, do Gripen next pls
Slovakia MiG-29S camouflage oh yeaaaah
F-15 FTW!
URAAAAAA FLANKER
make it a series
I think ot would be nice if you could make a video for the planes the east asian countries like china, japan and taiwan can get. Both cn and tw have interesting indigenous planes that are unique
I hope we can do the cobra maneuver properly with it
And then die horribly because you dump literally all your speed.
@@luuk341yes
Youd probably have to do the maneuver with full real controls and no damping, as that would act as if its aoa limiter was turned off
@@luuk341 Not unless you time it correctly.
Cobras have worked for me in the J-35 often.
@@michaelstodovski2219dranken pilots created the cobra maneuver
Hi generallee can you also explain the Japanese missiles if it wear to come to the game for example the aam-4 missile
Air to air missile - 4?
The AAM-4 is a very advanced radar missile that's about conteporary with late AMRAAM C versions, and is too good to come for now.
@@GeneralLee2000 ohhh ok thank you for clearing it up bcs I wasn't sure if those missiles are good yk but so does that mean if the F15j comes for Japan would we get the amraam A and b with aim9ms?
And also lol sorry for the big questions but did Japan ever have aim9xs on its F15j and mitsubishi f2?
@@thegremoryscurse7688 most likely AMRAAM A/B yes, and no, the Japanese never used the 9X. They'd have the AAM-3 and 5 instead after we move past the AIM-9M. They never used the 9M, but the AAM-3 is too good for now
@@GeneralLee2000 oh ok thank you for clearing it up to me I understand now so that means the Japanese won't aim9ms or 9xs unfortunately but ok hopefully we get a good missile still and at least we'll be able to use amraam A and B for now, thank you generallee it means alot I learned alot today.
What was the first mig 29 skin you were using called? i want to download it but cant find it
where did u got that mig29 skin, looks fire
I don't care if it would end up just F-15 vs Su-27. Raise the BR when adding new aircraft. Jump straight to 13.0 this time. I swear if the F-15 shows up at 12.3 or 12.7
f15 is probably 12.7.
@@hemendraravi4787I ain't gonna play if the F15 insta strike me from 999km away
@@fpsxk thats not how it works brother. the f16c at 12.3 can do the same shit the f15 can do , f16c can carry 6xaim120 , smt can also carry 6xr77 , so f16c will have the exact same range as the f15. the only advantage the f15 has is that it can probably carry more missiles , but it depends on gaijin if they limit it to 4 missiles then it can only carry 4x aim120 + 4xaim9m. su27 is harder to balance , earliest variant can carry 4xr73 + 6xr27er , and the one that can carry r77 will be ablet to carry 6xr77+ 4x r73. the problem is not r77 but the combo of r77+ r27er + r73. su27 will get the missile with the longest range (r27er) and it will also get arh missile (r77) and plenty of close range missile (4xr73). imagine 2xr27er + 4xr77 + 4xr73. or 2xr27er + 2xr77 + 2xr27et + 4xr73.
@@hemendraravi4787 I ain't reading that 🔥🥶🥶💯
@@fpsxk just explaining that aim120s for f16c is the same as aim120s for f15 , both will have the same range.
it appeared to me in my sleep
J11, j11B, j15, and j16 would be nice ))
Theres only 1 issue with the no r77 statement, hijinks has said that when 90s ers fox 3a come to the game, they are going to give them to every nation
In the video he suggested these would come to the Mig-29 SMT and Yak -141 which could carry the R-77 but not as many
@@robanson32 smt can carry 6xr77 aswell. but it wont be able to carry r73s , while the flanker can carry 4 more including 6 r77s.(atleast the normal base variants)
They could also just give the Su 27 the R27EA
@@blackjack8697 not much information is known about r27ea , many are saying that it got cancelled and research moved on to r77. funnily the r27ea would have more range than r77/aim120/mica/pl12/derby. we may get it in game but it would be too op. so i dont think we will get it.
@@hemendraravi4787 I heavily doubt that it would have more range than the amraam, even more so the fucking MICA
I've fucked up my settings, what in the settings is the "4 dots" aiming for radar missiles? Thanks in advance.
What about a video on a somewhat possible Eurofighter Typhoon?
I'll make one next year, it's been denied this update.
@GeneralLee2000 Ok, but as of my knowledge they are making a new top-tier British jet fighter? Maybe a Canadian CF-18 Hornet or something 🤔.
Algorithm boost + hoping we get flankers to fight in our Eagle 🗿
Note that chart you used is accurate for the flanker but it uses the Soviet estimate for the eagle which underestimates the eagle somewhat. I’d recommend to go get the rate charts from the eagles performance manual and overlay them. If you want them I can give you a link.
I mean honestly the USSR should get the Mig-25, thats what caused the west to overreact and build the F-15. Even more so, since the pilot who defected to Japan onboard his Mig-25 just passed away very recently, it'd be a great nod to him
7:55 Why does that F-16C have no name?
probably a disconnected player
Yeah, this aged well (su 27 sucks in dogfights, it really does so hard)
Regardless of added content, it's imperative that the BR ceiling climbs at least to 13.0.
It's gonna be a smelly pile of shit if they just shove those missiles at 12.3...
12.7, take it or leave it!!!
I want the su-24
What about mig29m ovt?
Make video on Gripen, Rafale and Typhoon.
Why did you put the SU-33 13.0 but the SU-27S 12.7 ? You do realize the SU-33 is not able to use any BVRAAM missiles ?
yes do grppen vid
I like you are flying on slovak mig-29
Fun fact: none of the russian jets have true 3d thrust vectoring, instead they rely on having 2 2d nozzles with a 15 degree range of motion mounted diagonally at 32 degrees, in practice this means that when pitching the effect will be as if the engines had lower thrust and range of motion and the nozzles actually don´t have a distinct position for roll or yaw meaning that the control surfaces have to work in order to counter the undesired motion
wrong. Su-37 and mig-29ovt
@@spinningsquare1325 not in service just like the US experimental fighters with 3d thrust vectoring
At least a su27 with tvc
PO-2 with R-73s when?