EVERY SOVIET MISSILE IN DETAIL | R-3S to R-27ER
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2024
- Gaijin please where are my R-98MT and R-33S
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0:00 - Intro
0:29 - R-3S
1:19 - R-3R
2:42 - R-13M (unused)
3:15 - R-13M1
3:49 - R-60
4:32 - R-60M/R-60MK
5:28 - R-13 vs R-60
6:19 - R-73
7:52 - R-23R/R-23T
9:02 - R-24R/R-24T
10:31 - R-27R/R-27R1/R-27T/R-27T1
12:14 - R-27ER/R-27ER1
13:40 - R-27ET (unused)
14:09 - More stuff in the files - Ігри
13:13 aged well...
HAHAHHAHAH SU27 GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Like milk
Scrolled down to comment the same thing lol, still can't believe russian mains cry a river over AIM 9M's when it's just as easy as 3-4 flare pops and turn when they got the most OP loadout in the game, nothing comes close to it.
Su-27: The missile know where is it...
Brother india copy and make samar 2 r27t plz details indias fifirst defence system
“The only thing keeping the R-27ER in place is the fact any plane can only carry 2 of them”
SU-27, 4 ERs and 2 ETs or 6 ERs 😭
jaek is the new GOAT of well produced and high effort vids, a big thank you from the community
true
13:17 “no plane can carry more than two of them”
Su-27: 😂
Even I thought they wouldn't be dumb enough to match 6 ERs against 4 7Ms lmao
@@jaek_898clearly the sparrow is on par if not better than the 27ER. That’s why gaijin decided to give more 27ERs
Him: "R73 will be in jets probably at the end of the year"
Gaijin: * proceeds to add them to mig29 *
Also proceeds to give germany a better mig29 lol
R-60 series together with R-73 were missiles specifically designed for dogfights (R-60 was the first missile In the world designed for this) so they had to be light And were somewhat expected to be launched from the closest distance possible
Recently started grinding the Soviet tree with the MiG-23ML, and am just astounded at the R-24R. I already have the entire American and Israel trees, but this R-24R feels so much more consistent than Sparrows. Maybe its the inertial guidance, that thing gets so many kills if you lose lock a second or so too early. It almost feels like 2 free kills when you have those. I don't have the MiG-29 yet but I feel like the R-27ER is going to be insane.
Actually all three of em 24r, 27r and 27er works the same way as 7f/m and have pretty the same hit rate in some cases 7f/m even slightly better. For example, if you turn 90deg to 7f/m you also have to spam a lot of chaffs to fool the missile, but if you turn 90deg to 24/27r(er) you can do nothing else and these missiles will fly straight to … nothing. Also mig-29s radar has a huge blind zones of angles, has only PD modes and its HUD works literally only in 0deg head-ons otherwise you will be clicking for ages to lock the target but you won’t
Out of all the times I’ve fired the R-24R in the MLA, it’s only missed ONCE.
@@proofostrich9061 well what can I say, you’re lucky guy or your enemies were 10lvl f-4s which are flying high(above 100m alt) and straight:D
Also in downtier(for mig-23) almost nobody knows what to do against SARH missiles and actually no one expects 3rd gen SARH missiles so when I flew on 23 that was like at least 2 kills with these missiles and some with r-60m
Also I might be wrong but r-60mk feels a little bit better than r-60m in terms of eating flares(I know that these two are exact same but it feels like this for me)
the R-27ER is just a better version of the R-24R in every way: Stupendous acceleration, superb manueverability, incredible top speed. Really it's disadvantage is that it may not keep a lock every now and then, be it notching or a weak lock state, but IOG keeps it on track even with a weak lock, and DL makes it so that you can reacquire a lock, and the missile will track again even after a notch. In headons, if the target is any higher in altitude than you, this missile absolutely smashes them out of the sky when fired from about 3km.
Just note that the MiG-29 has a bit worse of a radar than the Yak-141 in terms of options and search angles.
@@user-jy6cn3jy8g Yeah you’re probably right. I also mostly use the R-24R in head-ons within 8km or so, giving me the highest chance of getting a hit. I basically only shoot them when I KNOW they’re going to hit.
Fun fact about the R-13M. It was introduced in locked on for the MiG-19PT alongside the AiM-9E and was removed after a single patch before it was reintroduced for the MiG-21Bis in New Power and remained until the M1 replaced it. I remember seeing it on the PT back in 2019 and it functioned pretty much identical to the 9E
one thing worth noting about the R-27R is that it has exactly ONE advantage over the ER: sheer turn radius. the 27ER (kinda like the R.550 Magics) suffer from what i call "excessive speed", where sometimes their insane acceleration just rockets em past a close range, high-aspect shot. the R-27R however has none of that issue but still flies with ALL of the maneuverability R-27s have. when u are feeling a little silly, try taking 1x 27ER and 1x 27R into custom battles and watch how ABSOLUTELY LETHAL R-27Rs can be within 3-5km on a bandit. i would go so far as to say they even have mild off-boresight shot capabilities :3
I agree, under 3 kms the ER will just straight up miss targets so easily unless it's a perfect straight on launch and they don't turn.
Glad that Seek shouted you out, you always bring quality content on stuff I'd actually like to watch and wouldn't have found your channel otherwise.
Great mic quality as well!
Keep up the good work!
you are correct on the R-73 statement. the su-27 just got added a month ago with the R-73 same with the f15 and f16c with the AIM-9M
Really good and informative stuff. Looking forward to your future videos as I learn a lot from these
I really enjoy the R-3R on the MiG-21S. Quite a lot of people dont expect a missile coming at them during a head-on. Its also an absolute F-104 killer. Every match I fly quite high and get some unsuspecting harriers or starfighters, either during head ons or when they are just flying in a straight line.
I find it funny how he uploads this right before the Mig29SMT is revealed with R-73 and 27ET saying it might be a while before they get added to fighters/come to the game but just unlucky timing tbh, nice vid as always Jaek 👍
yeah mistake on my part to assume gaijin would be rational
R3R IS SO UNDERRATED
Yeah well. I'd say its a missile that seems absolutely unusable on paper, and only bad in use. Basically its horrible but not as bad as some seem to think
As of Mid November 2023, the R-13M & R-13M1 DID get radar slaving. just a little update.
the high quality content we need. Well done mate
Love the channel, keep it up. The low qual paranoid intro from f4 vid was amazing
The Chat at 1:59 ☠️
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Great video as always. Very informative and well presented. 👏
>60m
>Resistance above average
Meanwhile me after dozens of missiles lost on pure air: oh rly
Wonderful videos, I’m glad I got recommended your channel
Another BLAST ! This was soooo interesting !
Gaijin should add motor stats on stat card like you do
Agree, missile statcards are not only missing a lot of valuable info but theyre also straight up misleading in a lot of ways
There's overall not enough information being display that the player should be able to see and know it's quite stupid
Just like plane weight, they really love to leave out information that are critical but won't be questioned by many players
Banger as per usual
13:14 that one didn’t age quite so well…
Great and informative video mate , i am looking forward to see American & French version of this !
Great work man you make very informative videos
CAME ON FINALND! SCOAR SOM FACKING AIR KILLS
finalnd my beloved
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Im on the MIG-17 (Right before the MIG-19) And this let me know what to expect. thank you Jaek!
The terrible thing about this video is that I have to wait for days until the next vid release. Keep up the good work, man.
J-Dawg with another BANGER.
По идее у Р-60МК должна быть неплохая стойкость к помехам, так как на эти ракеты ставили новую головку инфракрасного наведения «Калибри-М», у которой помеха от защита лучше, чем у Р-60М. В игре это что-то слабо чувствуется...
I'm glad you use the Ace Combat soundtrack for every video. That's how I know you're a qualified expert to talk about Air-to-Air combat.
Will you do the rest of the Air to Air missiles next ? The british and italian Skyflash and derivative, but mostly the french missiles
I would love to see what he has to say about the PL-5b
Yws the PL-2 is an Aim9B clone and the PL8 is a Phyton 3 clone but the PL5B is quite something unique
@@ivanvukadin3194 Yeah an absolute beast of a missile, cant wait to see his opinion
When I was grinding the Mig27 I would use one R-13M1 and two R-60M, and when I was first playing the Mig23MLD, I found that the R-13M felt better than the R-60s so for the longest time I used 2x R13M1s and R24R/T
good stuff man
We love you🖤
You are the best, never forget!
The technical reason the R-27 ended up with worse kinematics than the R-24 is actually really interesting. When drafted, the R-27 was supposed to be the world’s first truly universal missile, capable of fulfilling any function in a wide range of scenarios. One primary requirement to fulfill this was that the missile be fully modular; instead of any single missile, you would have modular missile sections, which could be roughly simplified as a single guidance section and swappable engine and seeker sections. By swapping out these pieces, in any combination you liked, you could change which missile it was. All that ever mattered was that both the front and the back were compatible with the middle.
This, however, created a problem; the universal section primarily was supposed to be a completely self contained package for supplying power, commands, pylon connection, and aerodynamic control to anything compatible you stick on it, while requiring nothing in return from attached sections. Because of this, and the central mounting of the section, it was necessary to study and adapt a technology found in their copied Sparrow prototype, the R-25; a wing control configuration. By placing the only control surfaces on the power and control section, almost all energy-intensive functions were completely self contained, dramatically reducing the need for some complex and powerful modular power connection system to power control surfaces in the rocket or seeker sections.
Wing control, however, has a problem; compared to tail control surfaces, wing control causes significantly higher induced drag for a given movement, all else being equal. This is one of the reason the AIM-7F+ and the R-27 both have markedly long burn times; without a long sustainer, energy washout early in the flight from wing control is a much more serious problem than in tail control.
Other problems compound this; by requirement, the R-27 had to be fully comparable in class to the R-24; similar in weight, similar in drag when carried, similar in size, and superior in maneuverability at all altitudes. The last point is especially crucial, as that means it must be able to match or beat a missile derived from a long lineage of high altitude interceptor missiles in a snap up engagement against a maneuvering target. This from a design perspective makes it frankly impossible to lower drag with less fin and wing area, and thus it couldn’t simply lower drag to match or beat the 24’s range. All of these factors combined lead to inferior kinematic performance compared to the R-24 in all respects in spite of being a full generational upgrade. That being said, the other assets of the missile as well as significantly more modern internals do still make it a very worthwhile upgrade ignoring the gamer stats
babe wake up, a new jaek video dropped!
13:12 *looks at Su27* MR KRAAABS I HAVE AN IDEAAAA
It's at this point that I remember I have the MiG-23MF in the German tree, and literally never played it after that event due to grinding Italy at the time. Gotta get back to that, seems like a pretty decent missile platform.
Other than that, closest I'm coming to Russian missiles is the Chinese tree, and they only have the one in the PL-2.
I played MF a lot (my first top tier jet) and it literally was godly and there is no exaggeration. I was getting 6 kills pretty often. But now.... it's just sad to say at least. Plus after missile nerf firing R-23T up to 7km is no longer viable tactic
Hey man, looks like you mixed some stuff up, for Germany it is Mig 23MLA, you confused it with the Mig 21 mf.
@@kriegkorpsmen1066 There is event MiG-23MF
@@kriegkorpsmen1066 The MiG-23MF is an old event reward, roughly equivalent to the Russian MiG-23M.
I say the Mig23 MF is still good. There was a recent radar nerf but the R23r can still be handy. If not, go ir all the way. Some 6km+ shots work with the R23r as long as the target isn't flying away from you at mach
Uploaf
Yo it's the big E
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As a DCS player, the R27ET is one of the most feared missiles for us. I have found I can fly something like a Su-33 with two ETs on the deck, radar off, through the mountains and wait to see the contrails of BLUFOR aircraft flying above. All I have to do then is pull up, lock, fire and forget. They almost never see it coming.
Excellent video
Hopefully we get the R-27ET one day
I'm going to say here I love the music choice
Thanks bro. I just got into the 23MLA from the 21bis SAU. And for the first time had the option to use actual radar missiles. But I didnt really know much about them as I'd obnly ever really been blown up by stuff like R24Rs.
So thanks!
I've watched this video like 10 times because there's so much information that I can't remeber lol
Only a matter of time before Jovaan is your biggest fan
Been watching since the radar video, idk if I was subscribed then tho
Can you do France next? I can't really seem to figure out the non magic missiles....
In the SPS-K I take 2 R13M1 all day, the really small warhead of the R-60 left so many Planes just critted...
Great video
R-73 is a dedicated off-boresight missile, given to a strike aircraft with no HMCS...
awesome vid
i love u jaek
The ace combat music really gives another vibe to this
Well the r24r is better to compare with aim7f/m. This rocket has the same speed on large distance like 15+km and also faster if distance is less then 10km. Maneuvrability is also better for some reasons, cos its much and much simplier to avoid 7f than r24r
I think the ty90 is the most flare resistant missile
The R13 has radar salving now, it got added recently
The R-73 and R-27ER are really advanced missiles for the time scope of Warthunder, bordering into modern air force weapon choice. The mention of the R-77 on the Yak-141 which is a very modern active radar homing (Fox 3) would have to coincide with the launch of the AIM-120 AMRAAM on the NATO side to remain remotely balanced.
They have said they plan to add comparible ARH missiles (AIM120, R77, PL12) at the same time. AFAIK the first R-77s had serious issues with energy loss and were worse than AIM120 in most scenarios. Both have worse range than the ER as well.
@@jaek_898which aim120?
@@casematecardinal Likely AIM-120A or AIM-120B (both will basically be the same for WT purposes)
@@jaek_898 if that were the case I don't understand why they would need to add the r77. It doesn't make sense to me. They already aren't going for parity so why not allow for some asymmetric equivalence. Russia is strong in long and close range and everyone else holds medium range. Adding the r77 is just a big middle finger to non Russian players who are never going to be in a position where they have any sort of advantage
Love the R24’s
Please do an in depth video about flares, how they work and, when to use them.
Put your flare button and throttle control on your mouse wheel and flare at about 2km away from the missile, just a tip
In depth? Just use flares against IR and dipoles agains radar ones (distance to use 1km-2km)
This topic isn't so complex. Flares are basically just really hot IR signatures that your plane chucks out to distract a missile from your engines (or the plane body for all aspect). Engines are really hot, so IR missiles are most effective from rear aspect - if you notice a missile, turn off ab and drop one or two flares. Just pay attention to whether or not the missile is tracking. When you flare, make sure to also change up your flight path a little bit, because sometimes the missile will still be close enough to trigger the proximity fuse. Happy to answer questions:)
This music is making me nostalgic for oldschool starcraft 1 terran campaign for some reason
Was crunching some numbers to see the future viability of the ER and it’s astounding. If you take weight, thrust, and burn time (though not aerodynamic drag) the ER has near identical boost performance to early AMRAAMs, and in the sustain it handily beats AIM-120A/B missiles with 23kn over 7 sec compared to AMRAAMs 7.4kn over 5.7 seconds. (ER weighs 2.2 times that of AMRAAM).
Yes AMRAAM will have that active seeker and be far more dangerous at close range, but at longer ranges ER will actually be competitive against early AMRAAMs.
If im rememberring correctly there were active radar versions of the R27ER used on both later mig 29s
Wouldn't be suprised if we see them added together with the Aim 120 and PL12
still could not be competitive gameplay wise, Fox3 obliges you to be deffensive, if you dont, either you die with the enemy, or he goes cold and you are GG
@@ivanvukadin3194 the R-27ER was an idea that was developed but unfortunately was never built or flown. It was dropped in favour of the R-77 in the late 90’s.
@@gasparferrandisromero1075 ah, but you don’t immediately go cold on long range launches, you can’t first. Beyond 10 miles the R-27ER will reach you before your AMRAAM reaches it first. Its likely that if you launch from say 25 miles and go cold that missile may not see the target by the time it goes pitbul, as it goes for the first thing it sees if not guided by the friendly radar. I expect within 10-15 miles the AMRAAM will dominate as you can immediately go cold and defend the R-27, but beyond that it’s hard to say as both of you will be cranking to guide your missile in. Yes you have a better chance of killing him if you do break off before pitbul thanks to the active seeker, but it’s not garunteed, and if that happens you now have a second 27ER on the way from an offensive MiG.
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 yet we can agree having 2 chances is worse than having 6 lol
Do you find that the R24R is easily chaffed? I have a solid lock on the target and they chaff and my missile goes for it. I have been close like within 5 km and the missile chased the chaffed. Is this a thing with the R24R?
I havent used it this patch but i generally found that it would not go for chaff in headons
13:18
Su27: Let me introduce myself
Hi jaek, can u make tutorial video about weapon selection like how to keybind it?
Is getting a tier 3 premium plane will help me grind faster or not really
What does kn mean and do you want more kn then seconds and what’s radar slaving and what thrust vectoring means and the launch thing with degrees and all different guides like ir and stuff
Kn is kilonewton, its a unit of force. You ideally want high force for a long time but generally burn time beats force in the long run. Radar slaving means the seeker can snap to the radar target, helping you get a lock easier. Thrust vectoring means the rocket nozzle pivots which helps the missile turn much sharper. The thing with degrees is info about the seeker
If possible you should do a video on all of the Chinese AAMs.
that top gear intro is hilarious
Please do update info and demonstrations for r-27ET missile.....
UP⬆️LOAF🍞♿️
Very nice
New jaek video dropped, stop what you're doing!
Im personally of the opinion that the r27 er shouldve been the missile we are waiting on.
Its comically good for war thunders current level, and even a viable competitor to amraams. It also means neither base r27 ever got a chance to shine, despite being good missiles
The r73 by comparison is only for close in dogfights, is only a slight upgrade over the aim9l, and is typically only fired when the enemy knows theyre already in danger.
Though at least this way the russians have something that can contend with phoenixes
Wow this aged poorly. Yeah slight upgrade over the 9L with gatewidth irccm and hmd. Blow me
The r27t is supposed to have really good flare resistance but in my experience it is pretty much always 1 flared even in rear aspect. So it's completely useless
agree, same with R-60M not being "abhove average" flare resistance
@gasparferrandisromero1075 the r60 almost feels better to play with than the 27t honestly I've never gotten a kill with the 27t but I definitely have with the r60, even though the r60 is still 1 flare
I have dumped and dumped and dumped, I have never once gotten a R27T off me
@@kousand9917 Severe skill issue
You just miss used it. The r27t/et seeker works by reducing much much much the fov after launch to see nearly 0 flares. Its unflarable at close range rear aspect but easy flared in every other situation. Severe skill issue on your own
7:00 and usually ends up in doxxing or documents being leaked
0:12 Mostly because it is simply OP :)
7:44 Admiral-General Aladeen of Whadiya was right missiles need to be pointy
Aright, so slight difference between R27R and R27ER is that the R27R can actually maneuver better as it is almost half the weight of the ER version and slower booster but has about 10km less range, the R version is also better at closer ranges while the ER can shoot at planes going satellite mode since of its speed (as stated in video). Note on: T version, it's terrible, pretty sure they nerfed it to the ground and its IRCM is not really there, and it still gets distorted by ECCM (does maintain lock and does not go into the ground though, but can miss target), it's about the same chance for flare resistance as any common Aim-9L. (personal Opinion based on 400+ games with mig29 and Mig23M+s)
Well 9l is extremely hard to flare out of your engine if it was launched from 6 on almost every jet except idk f-5 and mig-21 which one-flaring any missile even without turning etc. So that means that 27t is one of the best IR missiles of this game
Next video could be about Matra missiles ?
nice video tho i would lika a longer with more datalls
R-27ET casually chasing down stragglers
07:45 starts sweating in Aladeen
Thanks for r-60mk vs r13m1. I always thought r13 seemed to reach better than r60mk and i seemed to be right. I wonder, does r13m1 also accelerate better than r60mk? And so r13m1 has worse flare resistance compared to r60mk?
The R13M1 does accelerate slightly better than the R60M, so it has a little more range last I checked. R-13M1's flare resistance is better beacuse the FOV is narrower (so it can see fewer flares), but it's worse because it's more sensitive to those flares. In my experience R60M's flare resistance is a little better overall but neither are really hard to flare
@@jaek_898 thank you, i appreciate this!
the ER is so unbelievably good that the only thing keeping it in check is the fact that no plane can carry more than two of them" aged like milk because they added the Su-27 lmao.
Man I really thought they would realize that 6 R-27Rs is still probably better than 4 AIM7Ms, or I thought at most it would get two on its wing pylons. And then they pull this stunt lol.
In the begnning there was 2 IR missiles for the MiG-19PT when they were introduced, one was the R3S with 4G overload and another missile that was 6G I forgot what it was. & yea I too wish the R-13M comes back in the game. Its better then the 9E and there are many planes that use the 9E so why not have the R-13M for the Soviets.
Maybe R-4T or RS-2U(PL-1) was that missile
Ya planning on a bri'ish missile detail vid?
Can you do British missiles next thanks ❤
Sir, I would like to award you with the highest honor I can bestow
Subscribtion, All notifications and a like
4:45 finalnd :D
I'm hyped for when they add more K series missiles like the K-5. Granted they wouldn't be amazing but they seem like good fun to lob at afk people or bombers
Would love to play Jet in War Thunder, if I have the time for it 😂
The r23 series is on the mig 23 ml you didnt list that just pointing that out
Very nice video as always, do you want to be honored in the name of the Guided Missile Table?
It would truly be the highest honor possible 🙏
@@jaek_898 Done