FYI, The end of Jan 2021 NVIDIA drivers killed my recording. I turned down all the MSFS settings and it was running at @20% GPU and CPU, but opening OBS or Shadow play sent the usage up to 100% (without even recording!) and I just got a laggy video. Driver rollback fixed the problem. Definitely agree to turn off MSFS VSYNC if you have Nvidia GSYNC on the GPU and Monitor. :)
To all those who insist that its unplayable at less than 40fps...... this proves otherwise. Dont go chasing fps. Smoothness is the key. Dont set your game to aim for 50fps. You are telling it to go for frames over quality. I set mine at 20fps. The game is then less stressed and will concentrate on quality and still deliver way over 20. You are not limiting the fps to what you put but simply stating a minimum. I have medium hardware and am very happy with the results.
Holy crap, getting 30 on average! On a 1080ti! Thanks for this vid, really appreciate trying to squeeze frames out of her, and it looks better than the stock medium settings
Thanks - lots of useful stuff here. I'm pretty sure the LOD settings have the main impact on the CPU - so as part of the tuning process you need to watch the milliseconds Main Thread vs. milliseconds GPU (which are what drives the "Limited by GPU|CPU" message) - so you got to 37FPS from 25 (full marks) but also ended up being more firmly "Limited by GPU" implying you can up the CPU usage a bit (by increasing the LOD) without impacting frame rates. There's a reasonable-sounding argument "limited by GPU" is smoother than "limited by CPU" because the latter needs a bit of capacity left to cope with a more bursty workload, so you don't want to tune the CPU to the max.
@@Aengus42 L.O.D is "Level of Detail", and the MSFS Options -> General -> Graphics has a couple of settings "Terrain Level of Detail" and "Objects Level of Detail". Each sets how much detail you want to see in those drawn objects. Everything modelled such as a plane or building in MSFS actually contains multiple models LOD1, LOD2, LOD3 ... e.g. the same house can be drawn as a simple cube with a house painted on it, or a high-detailed model with 3D chimneys, windows etc. so the sim initially draws the 'cube' version when you're a long way away but will switch to the more detailed model as you get nearer. With the LOD settings you're telling the sim your comfort level with how shit things can look, in the goal of improving performance. Counter-intuitively MSFS is sometimes limited by your CPU (nearly all other games are always limited by your GPU) and also counter-intuitively the 'LOD settings' are one of the few things you can dial back to reduce the load on your CPU and so speed up your FPS if you are "limited by CPU". The in-game FPS tool (e.g. at 3:18) tells you the *time* being taken by your CPU and GPU to render each frame, whichever is the longest is what's limiting your frame rate. [Final note: actually AI traffic is what most hits your CPU, so if you did have a CPU constraint (lots of people with weak CPU's who've spent money on a decent graphics card have this issue without realising it), then turning AI traffic off is the biggest gain.]
@@ViewBothSides Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed answer. I learned a lot. I've been out of graphics & gaming since the late 90's. I'm on a steep learning curve!
Take note if your playing 4k the setting mentions don't matter because of the increase in resolution. But if your playing in VR or 1080p it will matter.
I saw 3090's pop up on Ebuyer on Thursday, clicked buy, installed it yesterday. I gave up bothering to wait for a 3080 or an AMD card and just figured it'll last a while. 3090's aren't as hard to get because of the poor price to performance ratio difference but just look on Stock checkers. Very happy with it, even though I did have to buy a new case only a month after buying another new case. The MSI Suprim X is BIG. Then discovered that the pipes for my AIO cooler aren't long enough to reach the new extended distance so it's bodged in there. Hey ho.
Great Video. In the most recent interview on Twitch with Microsoft , Sebastian from Asobo said that the stuttering was happening in the memory. He described it like data getting caught been pushed through. I wonder would faster memory of more help.
This game is a balancing act. Too low a resolution and your cpu is the bottleneck. Too high and your gpu becomes the bottleneck. The key is getting the cpu and gpu timings as close to each other as possible :) Btw, I'm also using a 2080ti and a 4k monitor and I find that lowering the resolution scaling (even as low as 60) doesn't make that much difference and is preferable to actually lowering the resolution. It's always better to run your monitor in it's native resolution :)
When ever I use any built-in planes which are not addons like the A320neo. It plays then stops so it’s stuttering. That happens if it’s under 7k feet.But if I go over 7k feet it doesn’t stutter. So now I have to you use the A330 😭
Take note if your playing 4k the setting mentions don't matter because of the increase in resolution. But if your playing in VR or 1080p it will matter.
FINALLY! I get an alert in time to get it watched. I suspect that peeps with the hardware would see dramatic framerate improvements using dual cards. More complex models might perform better with multi-core machines. I wonder (I haven't tried) if switching hyperthreading off would have an effect. I doubt it would help much and it might even hinder things.
@@GripperSim Sure to Grip! I can't tell you how much I appreciate your effort. I need to pull my finger out and sort a patreon sub - there aren't many channels I get as much pleasure from as this one.
Sorry to hear that you haven't received your new video card yet. I got my ASUS ROG Strix 3090 OC card on Wednesday and got it installed on Thursday. Hoping to finalize some VR setup tomorrow. I haven't got MSFS 2020 yet. I did the alpha and beta but because it didn't have VR initially I didn't purchase it. Been doing X-Plane instead. Now that MSFS 2020 has VR I am considering getting it. I mostly fly GA in either VFR or light IFR. Unfortunately I have been working so much I haven't had much time to play this year, just did an 8 day week last week. Looks like things might smooth out a little in the near future and only have to do 6 day work weeks every other week, but I will wait and see if that really happens. Your videos are great as ever with lots of helpful information. Keep up the great work and I hope your move is finished soon, because in general moving sucks. lol Yeah there is the new place to look forward to, it's the getting there that sucks. :-)
Hi, love the videos.... I'm running 4k everything maxed over the same area. Fps between 36 to 49,...3090, 32gig ram... 10850k. P. S have my wife to thank for my 3090, she made me buy it.... 😀
I tried the same exact settings with my RTX 2070 super for comparison, Ryzen 3600 and 32GB Ram. 23-31 FPS flying between the buildings in the same spot. Looking off in the distance toward the smaller buildings actually killed the FPS more to 18-21. GPU trying to use every last bit of that 8GB, and 18-20GB of Ram. At a more reasonable 1440p, 26-34fps, not much of a difference really. But my GPU wasn't screaming in agony now 😅
Turn on vsync and set it it to 60fps. Then set your monitor to 30hz refresh rate. You’ll then be locked at 30fps and it will be butter smooth. Terrain and Object distance should be set at 200. It makes a difference with photogrammetry areas popping in.
@@Robin-bk2lm politicians aren't real. They're puppets. That's it. They're there to anger you, and make you fight eachother to take focus off the government. Hillary clinton is there so that people vote for Donald trump and Donald trump is there so that people vote for Biden. It's all about making people divided and polirized, constantly.
But they only added that Hardware accelerated crap with the newest update of windows? In fact its not even an option for me cuz AMD hasn't updated yet to allow it. So what was causing stutter before this?
I have the same GPU running 4K, but notice a huge decrease in AA quality if I don't use TAA. Also for me there's a rather noticeable visual quality difference between Ultra and High for the clouds. Glass cockpit refresh rate is unusable for me at less than 'high' unfortunately--would love those extra frames... the displays loose their smoothness, and just look like a 1fps screen. Turning down Texture Supersampling makes lines on runways look fuzzy when more than about 100 feet (distance varies with settings) in front of you... Low AA filtering has similar effect but not as drastic; though if too low, your supersampling can't compensate.
Hi Moose, I think so, yes. But there will be other tweaks in VR also. I'm still having trouble with my Pimax headset, so I've not investigated configuration for it yet. : )
Thanks for another excellent and helpful video. When I hookup my HP reverb G2 should I disconnect my ultra wide monitor and just have the headset as my output?
Do you used Mz game accelerator? that frees up a lot of hungry windows background stuff. You gain more memory and system resources. Its a free bit of kit and run that with ASUS GPU tweak, I have the 2080ti also but I can get 36+fps constantly. Its an idea you might want to have a crack at. There is another one - The Multicore environment that was for FSX but due to the way this new version is set up I cant get it to trigger the exe.
Three things. 1. No, don't always update your video drivers. - Unless you have the latest generation card, OR, you know for fact (from the release notes) that they address an issue specific to your model/generation of card. In most cases the latest drivers will only be slightly slower if anything for older cards (extra branching), without adding anything useful. (If it aint broke....) 2. Geforce Experience - Why Oh Why! What a pointless load of complete bloatware. Have you actually seen the number of services it adds? Ask yourself, is it doing anything really useful? do I need it? 3. Otherwise - Love the channel. Keep it coming.
@@GripperSim I'm running on one with 1920p, but running 1440p as it looks a bit better with no performance loss. The only fps difference is from the locations, but the GPU never raches 85+, on an airliner I get around 30fps on the ground and 40 in the air with the GPU between 50-60%. I'm hoping the DX 12 update will fix that
FYI, The end of Jan 2021 NVIDIA drivers killed my recording. I turned down all the MSFS settings and it was running at @20% GPU and CPU, but opening OBS or Shadow play sent the usage up to 100% (without even recording!) and I just got a laggy video. Driver rollback fixed the problem. Definitely agree to turn off MSFS VSYNC if you have Nvidia GSYNC on the GPU and Monitor. :)
To all those who insist that its unplayable at less than 40fps...... this proves otherwise. Dont go chasing fps. Smoothness is the key. Dont set your game to aim for 50fps. You are telling it to go for frames over quality. I set mine at 20fps. The game is then less stressed and will concentrate on quality and still deliver way over 20. You are not limiting the fps to what you put but simply stating a minimum. I have medium hardware and am very happy with the results.
That makes sense!
Holy crap, getting 30 on average! On a 1080ti! Thanks for this vid, really appreciate trying to squeeze frames out of her, and it looks better than the stock medium settings
Glad I could help Tim! I'm delighted I could help!
Thanks - lots of useful stuff here. I'm pretty sure the LOD settings have the main impact on the CPU - so as part of the tuning process you need to watch the milliseconds Main Thread vs. milliseconds GPU (which are what drives the "Limited by GPU|CPU" message) - so you got to 37FPS from 25 (full marks) but also ended up being more firmly "Limited by GPU" implying you can up the CPU usage a bit (by increasing the LOD) without impacting frame rates. There's a reasonable-sounding argument "limited by GPU" is smoother than "limited by CPU" because the latter needs a bit of capacity left to cope with a more bursty workload, so you don't want to tune the CPU to the max.
Sorry, new to all this. What's LOD please?
@@Aengus42 L.O.D is "Level of Detail", and the MSFS Options -> General -> Graphics has a couple of settings "Terrain Level of Detail" and "Objects Level of Detail". Each sets how much detail you want to see in those drawn objects. Everything modelled such as a plane or building in MSFS actually contains multiple models LOD1, LOD2, LOD3 ... e.g. the same house can be drawn as a simple cube with a house painted on it, or a high-detailed model with 3D chimneys, windows etc. so the sim initially draws the 'cube' version when you're a long way away but will switch to the more detailed model as you get nearer. With the LOD settings you're telling the sim your comfort level with how shit things can look, in the goal of improving performance. Counter-intuitively MSFS is sometimes limited by your CPU (nearly all other games are always limited by your GPU) and also counter-intuitively the 'LOD settings' are one of the few things you can dial back to reduce the load on your CPU and so speed up your FPS if you are "limited by CPU". The in-game FPS tool (e.g. at 3:18) tells you the *time* being taken by your CPU and GPU to render each frame, whichever is the longest is what's limiting your frame rate. [Final note: actually AI traffic is what most hits your CPU, so if you did have a CPU constraint (lots of people with weak CPU's who've spent money on a decent graphics card have this issue without realising it), then turning AI traffic off is the biggest gain.]
@@ViewBothSides Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed answer. I learned a lot. I've been out of graphics & gaming since the late 90's. I'm on a steep learning curve!
I would tell you a Nvidia 3000 series joke.But you probably wouldnt get it.
Brilliant! I may use that in my next video Neco, with your permission. ;;;)))
Go ahead.
Take note if your playing 4k the setting mentions don't matter because of the increase in resolution. But if your playing in VR or 1080p it will matter.
Brill!
I realize I am quite off topic but do anyone know a good website to watch new series online ?
I saw 3090's pop up on Ebuyer on Thursday, clicked buy, installed it yesterday. I gave up bothering to wait for a 3080 or an AMD card and just figured it'll last a while. 3090's aren't as hard to get because of the poor price to performance ratio difference but just look on Stock checkers. Very happy with it, even though I did have to buy a new case only a month after buying another new case. The MSI Suprim X is BIG. Then discovered that the pipes for my AIO cooler aren't long enough to reach the new extended distance so it's bodged in there. Hey ho.
bummer, but you have one know thankfully. its a long wait!
Great Video. In the most recent interview on Twitch with Microsoft , Sebastian from Asobo said that the stuttering was happening in the memory. He described it like data getting caught been pushed through. I wonder would faster memory of more help.
I doubt it, cuz we that amount of bandwidth is just not available to us yet and most processors wouldn't even be able to utilize that speed
Humm.. well it docent seam to eat my RAM. I do plan to upgrade it, I'll let you know!
@@GripperSim He didn't state if it was system memory of GPU memory so I don't know.
This game is a balancing act.
Too low a resolution and your cpu is the bottleneck.
Too high and your gpu becomes the bottleneck.
The key is getting the cpu and gpu timings as close to each other as possible :)
Btw, I'm also using a 2080ti and a 4k monitor and I find that lowering the resolution scaling (even as low as 60) doesn't make that much difference and is preferable to actually lowering the resolution.
It's always better to run your monitor in it's native resolution :)
Nice one Ivan! I'll try that, yes it is a balancing act for sure!
haha then throw in an airliner cockpit and spice it up
When ever I use any built-in planes which are not addons like the A320neo. It plays then stops so it’s stuttering. That happens if it’s under 7k feet.But if I go over 7k feet it doesn’t stutter. So now I have to you use the A330 😭
many thanks for the 4K specific setting
How do you get rid of the melted building effect? Your buildings in NY look so much better.
I thought the same thing!
Take note if your playing 4k the setting mentions don't matter because of the increase in resolution. But if your playing in VR or 1080p it will matter.
FINALLY! I get an alert in time to get it watched. I suspect that peeps with the hardware would see dramatic framerate improvements using dual cards. More complex models might perform better with multi-core machines. I wonder (I haven't tried) if switching hyperthreading off would have an effect. I doubt it would help much and it might even hinder things.
Hay Marc! Ye, they are not giving out notifications sometimes! I hope this improves FPS for you. : )
@@GripperSim Sure to Grip! I can't tell you how much I appreciate your effort. I need to pull my finger out and sort a patreon sub - there aren't many channels I get as much pleasure from as this one.
@@marcdraco2189 Wow! What a complement! Thanks Marc!
A definite improvement for VR. I can the more complex planes in VR now.
Who's trump? :)
Sorry to hear that you haven't received your new video card yet. I got my ASUS ROG Strix 3090 OC card on Wednesday and got it installed on Thursday. Hoping to finalize some VR setup tomorrow. I haven't got MSFS 2020 yet. I did the alpha and beta but because it didn't have VR initially I didn't purchase it. Been doing X-Plane instead. Now that MSFS 2020 has VR I am considering getting it. I mostly fly GA in either VFR or light IFR. Unfortunately I have been working so much I haven't had much time to play this year, just did an 8 day week last week. Looks like things might smooth out a little in the near future and only have to do 6 day work weeks every other week, but I will wait and see if that really happens.
Your videos are great as ever with lots of helpful information. Keep up the great work and I hope your move is finished soon, because in general moving sucks. lol Yeah there is the new place to look forward to, it's the getting there that sucks. :-)
Hi Black Jack! Ye, I think you'll enjoy Flight Simulator in VR, I see people giving it rave reviews! Thanks for your comments, I appreciate it! : )
Hi, love the videos.... I'm running 4k everything maxed over the same area. Fps between 36 to 49,...3090, 32gig ram... 10850k. P. S have my wife to thank for my 3090, she made me buy it.... 😀
I tried the same exact settings with my RTX 2070 super for comparison, Ryzen 3600 and 32GB Ram.
23-31 FPS flying between the buildings in the same spot. Looking off in the distance toward the smaller buildings actually killed the FPS more to 18-21.
GPU trying to use every last bit of that 8GB, and 18-20GB of Ram.
At a more reasonable 1440p, 26-34fps, not much of a difference really. But my GPU wasn't screaming in agony now 😅
Thats great!
Turn on vsync and set it it to 60fps. Then set your monitor to 30hz refresh rate. You’ll then be locked at 30fps and it will be butter smooth. Terrain and Object distance should be set at 200. It makes a difference with photogrammetry areas popping in.
Well Vsync gave me issues and lower frame rates. I'll have a look into it again. : )
@@GripperSim the trick is to set your monitor refresh rate to 30hz. It’s a trick that people used in FSX and P3D and works just as well in MSFS
@@dickytunes anyone tried using it on a G-Sync dispay?
I have found the refresh rate of the instruments is best at high settings, at medium the needles and digital doodads don't move fluidly.
Interesting..
Absolutely brilliant, thank for your guidance. Love the end bit 😂😂😂😂
Thanks Kevin and I'm glad it helped!
Very good video. A couple of tips in there that were new to me and will try these out today.
Glad it was helpful Ricard!
Hi Grio, Worked like a charm. Worked for me too. Thank you so much.....
Sorta love the trump bit at the end - even though hearing his voice sickens me!
Politicians are just in general shit. Liberal, republican, whatever, they're all against you, and freedom.
Oh, maybe if I include him in one of my videos I'll loose half my viewership!
@@althepsyphros3314 not all of them are fascists.
@@Robin-bk2lm politicians aren't real. They're puppets. That's it. They're there to anger you, and make you fight eachother to take focus off the government.
Hillary clinton is there so that people vote for Donald trump and Donald trump is there so that people vote for Biden.
It's all about making people divided and polirized, constantly.
@@GripperSim Uhmm yeah, totoal exclusion would be the best policy in regards to what's his name ;-)
I gave up on pre orders with OC and got a 3090 direct from Zotac store on Amazon. It was RRP, but now has crept up since.
But they only added that Hardware accelerated crap with the newest update of windows? In fact its not even an option for me cuz AMD hasn't updated yet to allow it. So what was causing stutter before this?
They say it's a memory Problem, might be fixed with DX12
Interesting, I get 30fps in the same area but in VR with the Reverb G2! So hopefully your 3090 will be worth the wait.
4:49
You're welcome! :D
I have the same GPU running 4K, but notice a huge decrease in AA quality if I don't use TAA. Also for me there's a rather noticeable visual quality difference between Ultra and High for the clouds. Glass cockpit refresh rate is unusable for me at less than 'high' unfortunately--would love those extra frames... the displays loose their smoothness, and just look like a 1fps screen. Turning down Texture Supersampling makes lines on runways look fuzzy when more than about 100 feet (distance varies with settings) in front of you... Low AA filtering has similar effect but not as drastic; though if too low, your supersampling can't compensate.
Thanks Gripper
My pleasure Paul. : )
I'm glad you did all the work this past week tweaking. Do you think the same settings will work fine in VR?
Hi Moose, I think so, yes. But there will be other tweaks in VR also. I'm still having trouble with my Pimax headset, so I've not investigated configuration for it yet. : )
Subbed, belled, saved, good stuff! Off to try this out!
Welcome aboard Les! Delighted you have joined us! Let us know how you get on! : )
Thanks for another excellent and helpful video. When I hookup my HP reverb G2 should I disconnect my ultra wide monitor and just have the headset as my output?
No need I think, but your logic is sound. Give it a try Philip. )
Do you used Mz game accelerator? that frees up a lot of hungry windows background stuff. You gain more memory and system resources. Its a free bit of kit and run that with ASUS GPU tweak, I have the 2080ti also but I can get 36+fps constantly. Its an idea you might want to have a crack at. There is another one - The Multicore environment that was for FSX but due to the way this new version is set up I cant get it to trigger the exe.
Great! I'll have a look. Thanks for commenting Ian!
Ambient occlusion is a no go too... always switch that off..
Nice one John, Try that also everyone. Thanks for commenting John!
I see a huge visual difference with AO being turned off (especially forest covered hills), so I keep it on, as it doesn't change my fps much.
THIS IS ONLY ON RTX CARDS AND WINDOWS 10 VERSION 2004 AND ABOVE.
I've saved you all the waste of time watching this.
Thank you!
Nice video. Thank you
Hay Dan! Your first to comment! Let us know how many FPS you get if you try it. Thanks for commenting!
@@GripperSim will do when I get on tomorrow. I'm running a gtx1080. I can't even pre-order a 30series card yet!
One step for, one back... everyone did recommend the gpu scheduled acc when it was integrated...
I never used OBS, always Nvidia Shadowplay or whatever it is called now. It doesn't seem to reduce my FPS.
Three things.
1. No, don't always update your video drivers. - Unless you have the latest generation card, OR, you know for fact (from the release notes) that they address an issue specific to your model/generation of card. In most cases the latest drivers will only be slightly slower if anything for older cards (extra branching), without adding anything useful. (If it aint broke....)
2. Geforce Experience - Why Oh Why! What a pointless load of complete bloatware. Have you actually seen the number of services it adds? Ask yourself, is it doing anything really useful? do I need it?
3. Otherwise - Love the channel. Keep it coming.
How do I get those performance graphs?
Enable developers mode in Flight Sim settings, and show FPS
Developer Mode in MSFS
@@norcalrallyx ok thanks
Enable Developer mode in General settings. Then you'll see the menu at the top, select "Show FPS" : )
@@GripperSim Thank you, sir
In MSFS General -Graphics Resolutions the highest I could choose is 2560x1440. How did you get 3840x2160?
His display has bigger resolution than yours.
Uhhh, I am running in 1440p Ultra and have the same fps, but with an rtx 3080
Ohm, I thought you would get more! How many monitors do you have..
@@GripperSim I'm running on one with 1920p, but running 1440p as it looks a bit better with no performance loss. The only fps difference is from the locations, but the GPU never raches 85+, on an airliner I get around 30fps on the ground and 40 in the air with the GPU between 50-60%. I'm hoping the DX 12 update will fix that
Increased the stutter for me.
Hate to be 'that' guy, but NVidia is pronounced "en-vidia" not "ne-vidia". :) Just fyi.
Americans always pronounce it nevidia as well.
it gets on my tits, lol.
Like pronouncing iso as iesso, sigh........
@@ivanfojan8859 Or Iraq as 'eye-raq'. A country they invaded on false pretences and can't even pronounce it right.
Oh. My. God. I have committed a mortal sin. I shall flog myself in penance. I shall live in shame for evermore.
@@GripperSim Either that or have a nice hot drink and start pronouncing it correctly because you've learnt something which has made you smarter. :)