let me save you guys some time. things to change in windows: go to game mode in windows 10, switch to ON in captures, make sure background recording is off in control panel, switch priority from real time to high make sure drivers are up to date in nvidia control panel: go to manage 3d settings global settings - power management mode switch from optimal power to high performance in same menu - switch texture filtering from quality to high performance in MSF 2020 first: turn down object level of detail turn down terrain detail leave antialiasing on TAA next: water waves to low or medium shadow maps to 768 texture supersampling to 4x4 depth of field to off or low play with or adjust due to your system: bloom reflections texture synthesis
Lucian Andries they’re not scrapped, they’re grounded. They’re all still sitting at airports, Boeing is still making them, and they are anticipated to be back by mid 2021 at the latest
This is excellent. I have a 2070 super and was set by default to “high-end”. I was getting a super glitchy 30-50 FPS. I updated these settings and then was getting 80-90 FPS. Updated to “Ultra” and turned down the settings you mentioned and now I’m at a solid 60 FPS. Excellent. Thanks 👍🏻
I have a 2070 super as well and im sure as hell not getting what youre getting with these settings.. Still never getting more than 25fps... Amazing how the sim can be so horrendously broken for some, and working decent for others..
The Gaming Norwegian I have to admit. The 60FPS was in countryside scenery and so it much going on. When I went to a city it dropped to about 30-40fps. I went back to high-end settings and it’s back up at 60 in dense places and higher when in countryside.
For real bro! But also for real I'm so blind that without mine it would be illegal for me to drive a car let alone fly a plane! Lol I think even with mine and having a 65" 4k/120 OLED I'd have to get within 6-12 inches of the screen and have my peripheral vision buried before I could really tell. It definitely has its negatives for sure but man does it make it easy to ignore the little stuff.
Hey Jay, I really appreciated this video. I’ve been a flight simulator enthusiast my whole life since FS 5 way back in the day. I would definitely like to see you use FS 2020 to benchmark new hardware in the future.
@@bearwynn Demanding physics renderings used for research are also measured in seconds per frame, but in this case the rendering takes several double or triple digit unit of seconds to complete which is insane
You should do a updated guide on MSFS especially with 3rd party add on developers making study level aircraft such as PMDG, Fenix, and FlyByWire. And the same applies to add on scenery as well.
30fps locked at ultra is the new target for me, and i'll be super happy with that. For some reason flight sim always looks smooth at 30, unlike other games.
I have a 2060 Super OC Msi card and followed all of you're steps and have been getting around 50-55 fps in populated cities without turning the settings down from the 2080Ti settings you started using before you switched to the 2060 super! Thanks for the great tips!
It was so fun watching this. It reminds me of the good old days trying to squeeze every fps I could out of games. The game may/may not be optimized but, it brings fun with trying to get max performance out of it. =)
Perfect day. I finally realized I was on the 2 GHz net not the 5 GHz, finished downloading MS FS 2020, got my broken crap cooler to start working decently on my 10600k and this video came out. Thanks
I would love to see an updated performance guide for this game in VR now. So hard to run it, SteamVR, plus an Edge window and OVR Toolkit for Twitch chat. Uses so much of my CPU. Highest FPS I can get is around 20 on low settings.
Helpful info. I'm sitting happy on high 1080 settings at only 32fps, but with terrain and object detail set to 120. The frames and quality of photogrammetry looks incredibly smooth on that rig. Great Job.
I've had the same experience, it absolutely hates controllers being plugged in and out while it's running and will almost always crash. USB connectors on PS4 and Xbox One controllers are kind of unreliable so I'm glad I'm using wireless.
Thank you Jay and team. Good researching and I never really messed with Nvidia game settings before. From 17-20fps to 25 with just that suggestion. Actually makes a huge difference in low altitudes and taxiing around my favorite airport , KFXE. Improved ground scenery also.
Never use Realtime unless it's literally the ONLY thing the machine has to do, which is never the case with games. It makes the game run at a higher priority than basic windows functions. You can get delays in sound delivery, frame delivery to the gpu and way more delays on an almost driver level.
@@cytrus3427 bruh why would he run it in raid0 like ye there are some speed benefits but then he needs to get another drive aswell and its not worth it
or in dev mode in game itself, they can display a lot of info like what's bottlnecking, gpu or cpu and they color code every frame in a graph. its great
@@SpeedRacer24X You go in the options, general (where graphics are) then at the bottom there's "dev mode". You enable that, then a black bar pops up at the top of the screen. Then look through the menus as I don't remember which one has it, probably Options or Windows, and then you'll be able to select the frames or FPS tool.
Thanks for the video! It was very helpful to see someone more knowledgeable than me talk through these tweeks. I have a Legion tower with an i9-9900 cpu, 32 gb of RAM, and a RTX 2070 GPU with a 2560x1080/144hz display. I found most of the suggested changes to NVIDIA's 3D settings didn't make much of a noticeable difference to my FPS, nor does turning Game Mode on or off in Windows settings. The most notable differences I found are in the sim itself. I have tried the graphic settings you suggested. FS2020 suggested during install that I run the sim on the 'High-End' level. I have tried 'Ultra' and tend to lose about 15 fps. I also gain about 15 fps over 'High-End' if I use all 'Middle' level settings. Dialing the graphic settings you mentioned to Middle or lower does give me about a 5 fps improvement. Two other things I have learned could be helpful: - I find significantly more stutter when I have 'Show Traffic Nameplates' turned on (in Traffic settings) especially if there are alot of other planes around, and - I find I can lose as much as 15-20 fps if I have pop-out windows open (to display menus on a second or third monitor). My second and third monitors really slow the sim down (they are also only 60hz). I would suggest keeping the menus on the main screen. Hope these are useful tips.
What I would really like is some options to configure dynamic degradation. For example, simple aircraft in low density scenery, Ultra could be an option but in high density scenery with a complex panel aircraft, some things have to be sacrificed. I don't want to have to configure one set of settings for everywhere, how about the ability to set my priority as to what to reduce first, to meet a desired frame rate.
Actually you do need around 45 minimum for a proper performance in Sims, I’ve been a developer for X plane for 3 years making airports. And enthusiast for over 20 years. If you drop below 30 you will have time delay issues. Also steam my name you will see the airports created by me.
30FPS is fluid but feels a little bit slow and laggy, especially when the sim has RAM-related micro stutterings and camera pan stutters when running out of RAM and VRAM. 45FPS is ideal in most games, but only the new high-end graphics cards will bring 60-100FPS with everything maxed out and new 4k textures and 4k shadow maps graphics settings which will hopefully get implemented soon in FS2020, because the graphics can NEVER be stunning and amazing enough! Are you programming airports for FS2020 too? I am looking for some beautyful ultra-detailed bush flight adventure airports in Canada and Alaska for Alaskan cargo freights with Cessna Caravan and stuff like that :)
This is actually really useful information! i used a bit of your previous Flight Sim footage in a spec detail and game review (hope you don't mind) it shows i might be able to run this myself if i bite the bullet and buy the game! Love the content as usual!
Ryzen 5 2600x , Radeon RX 580 8gb, 16gb DD4 , Installed on SSD. 15 Hours played so far with average 53 FPS. Playing on recommended high settings and everything just looks amazing. 1 crash so far only , PC isn't even that noisy, seemed to calm down after playing it for a few hours! Didn't work on 1st install so installed again overnight and now plays like a dream.
terrain level of detail 100 objects level of detail 100 water waves medium shadow maps 768 texture supersampling 4x4 texture synthesis medium terrain shadows 512 ambient occlusion high windshield effects high depth of field off
Im blown away by this simulator, with fsx and xplane i could never manage more than 20 to 25 fps but with msfs 2020 after making these changes im flying around Manhattan at 100+ fps with an R7 1700 and 1080ti, cant believe it.
this is weird but kinda works for people. "in game press V to load up the VFR Map once up make that window to a pop window out of Flight sim, then minimize that window. and frames should jump higher
WOW! How have I not seen this mentioned anywhere else. Popping out the VFR Map and minimizing it almost doubles FPS in any settings scenario I have tested with. Some examples below. POP = VFR popped out and minimized and REG = VFR not activated or popped out. All testing done at KCPS 30L St Louis Downtown Airport, Broken Clouds, 9:00 A.M. Robin Cap10 Loop around STL downtown and Arch at 800 ft. I also let the game settle down for 30 seconds before noting FPS and taking off. *All test were new loads into area from main menu. If just restarted the FPS were better since things seemed to be cached.* 1080P Low Settings, 150 scaling, Photogrammetry on. Sitting Idle on Runway: REG = Steady 46 FPS - POP = Steady 84 FPS In flight west to downtown: REG = Steady 36 FPS - POP = Steady 70 FPS Cross over Mississippi: REG = Unstable Dips as low as 12 FPS gets steady 25 FPS AVG - POP = Unstable, Dips as low as 25 FPS gets steady 55 FPS East through downtown and Arch back towards airport: REG Steady 35 FPS - POP Steady 65 FPS 1080P Mid Settings, 150 scaling, Photogrammetry on. Sitting Idle on Runway: REG = Steady 38 FPS - POP = Steady 72 FPS In flight west to downtown: REG = Steady 29 FPS - POP = Steady 55 FPS Cross over Mississippi: REG = Unstable Dips as low as 9 FPS gets steady 22 FPS AVG - POP = Unstable, Dips as low as 12 FPS gets steady 35 FPS East through downtown and Arch back towards airport: REG Steady 30 FPS - POP Steady 50 FPS 1080P High-End Settings, 150 scaling, Photogrammetry on. Sitting Idle on Runway: REG = Steady 32 FPS - POP = Steady 62 FPS In flight west to downtown: REG = Steady 24 FPS - POP = Steady 45 FPS Cross over Mississippi: REG = Unstable Dips as low as 6 FPS never gets steady 15 FPS AVG - POP = Unstable, Dips as low as 7 FPS gets steady 22 FPS East through downtown and Arch back towards airport: REG Steady 20 FPS - POP Steady 40 FPS 1080P Ultra Settings, 150 scaling, Photogrammetry on. Sitting Idle on Runway: REG = Steady 26 FPS - POP = Steady 48 FPS In flight west to downtown: REG = Steady 16 FPS - POP = Steady 34 FPS Cross over Mississippi: REG = Unstable Dips as low as 2 FPS never gets steady 8 FPS AVG - POP = Unstable, Dips as low as 4 FPS never gets steady 12 FPS East through downtown and Arch back towards airport: REG Steady 15 FPS - POP Steady 30 FPS System Specs: Shadow PC, Boost Tier (Cloud based computer) Intel Xeon CPU E5-2678 V3 2.5Ghz Nvidia Quadro P5000, 16GB GDDR5 (Driver Version 452.06) 12GB System Memory Win10 SSD Internet: 1GB Down, 250MB Up
You have saved this sim for me. All I wanted was a solid 30-35 FPS to practice the approaches I shoot IRL, and until your vid, have t been able to. I have an i7 6700k with 32GB RAM and until yesterday, had a GTX 1070 but went out and got an RTX 2070 Super because I was so pissed at the performance. It was all the same, on 1080 res high settings I was getting 5-7FPS on the ground, 14-25 FPS in the air. Flying around densely populated areas and big airports saw it crash to 10-7FPS. I went in and changed the 3D settings to Performance and that was the golden ticket. It freed up everything. I can crank it to ultra now on 1080 and get a liquid smooth 38-45FPS (in the sim world, this is liquid smooth). I was about to resign to the idea that I needed a new CPU and RTX 2080ti or 3080 (when they release) to even partially enjoy this. Thank you!!
I have a RTX2060 Super and Render Scaling at 200 smashed my frame rates to single digits. When I changed from RS 200 to RS 100 over New York City framerates were in the mid 20's. All the other tweaks slightly improved the framerates and that is a happy place for me.
Nearly doubled my frame rate. So a massive thanks! I run a 9900k with 32gb of ram at 3600mhz and a 1080ti. All storage drives are nvme. I have a 1440p screen and was getting 30-40 fps. Now I'm up to 60-70, and it's much more consistent.
1 update your drivers 2 big impacts to perf: depth of field bloom reflections shadow maps texture supersampling texture synthesis then one by one: Objects Level of detail -> 100(high) Terrain Level of detail -> 100(high) water waves -> med shadow maps -> 768 texture supersampling -> 4x4 water waves
Upgraded from an I5-4670K to a 5600x. Same GPU. GTX 1030 3gb. I can get 60fps in areas. Got 50fps close to the ground in Osaka. All over Manhattan, under 1000ft and 40+ fps. Pleasantly surprised. I have a 1070ti on the way though, and the 1060 will go back in the old PC. Can't wait to try it out again!
@@storkman Not really. Asobo is only one part of the devs. Microsofts own studios were also a big part of the development (Xbox Game Studios). And Microsoft itself is still the most important factor in the process (thats why its called MICROSOFT Flight Simulator at all).
Subscribed...! The absolute BEST tutorial for optimizing MSFS 2020, how to to with driver setting, and and how to properly OC your Graphics Card so that it holds the boost speed, and everything all between to make your experience enjoyable...!
Thanks a lot. I am still with the old FSX but plan to move to 2020 soon. I will buy a new system first. Might wait for a 6 months or a year so that system is just ... less expensive. Good to see the 2060 at work as well. Of all of the folks who review and show us how to make 2020 work, you are the best. You explain it all very well.
I'd recommend setting GPU Power management mode in global settings to Adaptive. There's shouldn't be any change in performance, and instead of staying at base clocks when idle, the GPU downclocks. Changing from Maximum Performance to Adaptive yielded me the same performance, and idle temps went from 44C to 31C If it makes a big difference in performance for FS2020, perhaps just set it to run Maximum Performance only when FS2020 is launched under program settings.
@@Sim737Pilot Still made a noticeable impact on the ambient temperature of my room, when just watching UA-cam though. I'd guess like 3c cooler room after some time, if I have my door closed.
Disabling Windows Defender everytime I start MFS helps me a lot with the stutters. GTX1660 9600K 16gb. I'm okay with MFS performance but it's not as smooth as XP11 for me.
Oh and also disabling the gamertags with multiplayer/live traffic gained me 15-20(!!)fps in busy areas. I'm sure Asobo will fix the bugs and optimization.
@@DerekMoore82 Go to your 'Virus & threats protection' tab in windows security. Scroll down 'Manage settings' click on it and toggle off 'real time protection'. It'll automatically go on again after rebooting the system.
@@Nathan_Jay That's true but please don't get me wrong. I freaking love MFS and I'm very excited for the future of flight sim in general. TBH The performance is way better than I've expected with my system and the awesome graphics we get. It took FSX a very long time to get to this kind of performance on high-end systems.
In the last 38 years of running this sim, no new hardware has ever been able to run it full up at max frame rates, it is the same with every release. Due to the long cycle between versions, they build in graphics settings that will need to be stepped up to as new hardware becomes available. It has always been this way and is this way again with MSFS 2020. The sim does not need to be run at 60 fps to enjoy, just not 20 fps, somewhere in the 30-40 range is perfect. (not referrring to VR)
From someone with similar experience, I agree with you. 60+ is obviously ideal for any game/sim to be 'liquid smooth'. But for Flight Simulators over the years, 30fps+ is adequate for an enjoyable experience. Although, in my opinion, MS really jumped the gun on this release. It's still poorly optimized and has too many crash issues to be fully enjoyed.
And completely wasted on MSFS which needs like 6-7 threads overall (don't look at the CPU usage numbers, they don't tell you anything). But that goes for the vast majority of games.
@@jdshemp lmao why TF would you compare a 9900k to a 3950x? The coffee lake refresh chips were all shit too with the horrible thermal performance due to a shitty IHS/Die solder and just immaturity in general. Comet lake is so much nicer lol, 10600k and 3200mhz cl14 ram might be the sweetspot for msfs.
I have 10700k with a 1070 and 32gb ram. I never checked my frames, but I am running smooth on ultra preset around the greater Toronto area in 1080p. Your cards simply allow higher resolution for the same performance.
I was running it at "High.end" with a r5 3600 and a rx 5700 with 16 gb ddr4 3000m mhz. Thanks to this video I can run it at ultra. Really useful, thanks a lot.
i just bought a pc with a i7 10700 k, 750 power supply, 16gigs 3200mhz ram. Asus prime Z490 wifi. Nvidia RTX 3070 Ti. I hope flight simulator runs well on it.
Thanks for this, someone posted everything you said in this video in a comment here and I took two screenshots of it on my phone earlier for easy access while doing this; now the game runs butter smooth for me - I might actually be able to enjoy it properly now, again thanks a lot.
Microsoft Simulator always releases with where most pc's can't handle everything at max settings. Future tech I guess. MSFS 2020 will now be on everyone's benchbark :D
I don't know what is this nonsense everyone is talking about, I play on ultra on 2k resolution with rtx 2070 and 4770k and get 35fps, and it is smooth as butter. There are games where I can't live with less than 120fps,and then there is this, where 35fps flying in Cessna around world is just fine
@@ZheikoNileth maybe 35 fps for you is fine, but 35fps is pretty low for my tastes. And I will agree that MSFS 2020 looks stunning visually. You cannot argue that this Sim is very demanding which is my point. Higher frames makes controlling the aircraft feel more responsive. Jay getting the game to have 50-60fps is great!
I am coming from racing sim, so I know exactly what you mean by having more response. Having ffb steering wheel running on game that runs on 30fps vs 120fps is massive difference, but with planes, unless you are doing acrobatics, you need a slow and steady smál inputs anyways, right?
Zheiko Nileth depends on what you are doing, playable yes but more frames do make it easier. Especially for certain complicated instrument approaches with windy conditions etc.
Also Something interesting I found out, When I run the SIM, my gpu is not maxed at all, but when I minimize the SIM window my GPU gets pinned at 99 percent... Interesting to say the least
Don't forget that the Vehicles category under General Settings has a big effect on framerates. Turning up or down the number of planes (parked and AI), boats, and cars makes a big change on FPS.
let me save you guys some time.
things to change in windows:
go to game mode in windows 10, switch to ON
in captures, make sure background recording is off
in control panel, switch priority from real time to high
make sure drivers are up to date
in nvidia control panel:
go to manage 3d settings
global settings - power management mode switch from optimal power to high performance
in same menu - switch texture filtering from quality to high performance
in MSF 2020
first:
turn down object level of detail
turn down terrain detail
leave antialiasing on TAA
next:
water waves to low or medium
shadow maps to 768
texture supersampling to 4x4
depth of field to off or low
play with or adjust due to your system:
bloom
reflections
texture synthesis
What about changing the AMd chip to hame mode.
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Thank you very much good sir
Never mind, got it!!
I ended up just buying a Boeing 747. It was actually cheaper than buying all the components to play this sim.
lmao
I couldn't afford that, but I got a 2nd hand 737 Max. For some reason it was suprisingly cheap.
Best comment ha ha
Actually you can get it free at a scrap yard....... It's discontinued. :)))
Lucian Andries they’re not scrapped, they’re grounded. They’re all still sitting at airports, Boeing is still making them, and they are anticipated to be back by mid 2021 at the latest
The game is amazing.. You can almost smell the fuel and the engine noises are so realistic..
Oh wait that's my pc.
Lmao
@तकरप लरक r/wooosh
R/holup
FIRE SURFER GAMING wait how is that a wooosh?
@@smallbrain43 he didn't get the joke,..... BRUH
I remember back in the 80's playing flight simulator with very basic vector graphics on a 286 with a green monochrome monitor.
Yep, I would ride my bike to the local library (only place with a computer I could use) to play the original (put it on a 5-1/4" floppy disk).
This is excellent. I have a 2070 super and was set by default to “high-end”. I was getting a super glitchy 30-50 FPS.
I updated these settings and then was getting 80-90 FPS.
Updated to “Ultra” and turned down the settings you mentioned and now I’m at a solid 60 FPS.
Excellent. Thanks 👍🏻
Thanks for posting this!
I have a 2070 super as well and im sure as hell not getting what youre getting with these settings.. Still never getting more than 25fps... Amazing how the sim can be so horrendously broken for some, and working decent for others..
2060super is now averaging 45fps with these tweaks in busy areas in GA planes on 1440p helped me out.
The Gaming Norwegian I have to admit. The 60FPS was in countryside scenery and so it much going on. When I went to a city it dropped to about 30-40fps.
I went back to high-end settings and it’s back up at 60 in dense places and higher when in countryside.
thanks for sharing this, i have same gpu as well.
Anti aliasing? HAH, i'm short sighted so i just take my glasses off, boom, instant anti alias. No need to waste precious gpu cycles with it.
@@teilanittv this could be the batteries joke 😂...
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anti ale-eyes-ing
Blind people things.
Tried this once. Worked great till I had to read something.
For real bro! But also for real I'm so blind that without mine it would be illegal for me to drive a car let alone fly a plane! Lol
I think even with mine and having a 65" 4k/120 OLED I'd have to get within 6-12 inches of the screen and have my peripheral vision buried before I could really tell.
It definitely has its negatives for sure but man does it make it easy to ignore the little stuff.
It get more more motion blur with my specs off and my depth of field settings go to extreme, so I keep it on
SO MUCH LOVE for this video from me
Victory from what?
What was your FPS like before? lol
@@SlightlyDylsexic like 35 above New york on high/Ultra, now its 50, and 33 in an Airliners.
*stares at FX-8350/1070* you hear that boys, don't even think about it.
i also have a GTX 1080, but the ti and Ryzen 7 2700x and i get 25 fps over NY. works for me cus everywhere else its 55 to 65 fps.
I'm going to come back in 10 years to watch this again, laughing whilst my integrated graphics chip pumps out flight sim 2020 at 250 fps
You can try it now with FSX. Let me know how that goes.
@@rroach8515 can't do 30 with a UHD 630. yeah, technology is fast but not that fast.
Rtx 5090ti
R7 4700G could probably handle flight sim
@@miguelcae4627 so just imagine how much better a R7 9700G (if such a creature ever exists) will be
"Not everyone has a 2080Ti, so lets throw a 2060 in"
>cries in 960
Laptop has a 870 haha
I have a GTX640 lol, struggling with fsx
Cries in integrated intel chip
1060 3gb, just barely good enough to make u think u can run on decent settings, then it fucks u over with 35 fps
@@GraceTheTDI U get 35 fps in flight sim on that? Lucky.
you know its serious when youtubers actually FILM their screens instead of capturing it😁
havent seen that in a while
Hey Jay, I really appreciated this video. I’ve been a flight simulator enthusiast my whole life since FS 5 way back in the day. I would definitely like to see you use FS 2020 to benchmark new hardware in the future.
When you get seconds per frame instead of frames per second
Just Brilliant! lmao
This is known as the late 90s gaming experience.
Seconds per frame is actually how you properly measure performance, ie 0.016 seconds (16ms) per frame is 60 fps
@@bearwynn Demanding physics renderings used for research are also measured in seconds per frame, but in this case the rendering takes several double or triple digit unit of seconds to complete which is insane
Rendering of the Lion King 2019 was 82 hours per frame so be happy with your seconds
You should do a updated guide on MSFS especially with 3rd party add on developers making study level aircraft such as PMDG, Fenix, and FlyByWire. And the same applies to add on scenery as well.
30fps locked at ultra is the new target for me, and i'll be super happy with that. For some reason flight sim always looks smooth at 30, unlike other games.
a few mins in..just wanted to pause to tell Jay thank you sooo much taking his time to help us all out. Thank you!
Jay- now you can add 20 fps to you ms flight sim.
Me- yay! Now i will finally have 15 fps on ms flight sim
Waaait a minute..
SharpyS he was getting -5 FPS
@@burnttamale noshit
How many fps does the blue screen of death give?
@@88azturbo it have 1 fpm(frames per minute)
I don’t get all these comments about being “Early”. Is there some kind of award I’m unaware of?? Maybe a RTX 3080ti?!?!?!?
Just a weird yt thing
The only "early" comment that i use came from your sister.
yup you won! 3080ti otw to you now!
Grim Death
Sweet!!!!
ESP87
Yeah, she always said you shot your pistol off in less than 60s stud. 🤣🤣
So I can bump my FPS up from 1 to 2. Good to know.
I'm just kidding my PC can't run MS flight simulator.
You WOULD skoff at a 100% improvement... wouldnt you?
@@Jayztwocents Hey I wasn't complaining.
@@Max-zw8vp jay is just fucking with you
@@Jayztwocents ikr that's REALLY impressive
🤣🤣🤣
I have a 2060 Super OC Msi card and followed all of you're steps and have been getting around 50-55 fps in populated cities without turning the settings down from the 2080Ti settings you started using before you switched to the 2060 super! Thanks for the great tips!
It was so fun watching this. It reminds me of the good old days trying to squeeze every fps I could out of games.
The game may/may not be optimized but, it brings fun with trying to get max performance out of it. =)
Thank you! Now I can hopefully let my PC run smoother while flying
GhostbusterJeffrey just make sure it’s your plane flying and not the pc 👍
Eric Oseguera, I will!
@@Ericoseguera-u1t 💀
Perfect day. I finally realized I was on the 2 GHz net not the 5 GHz, finished downloading MS FS 2020, got my broken crap cooler to start working decently on my 10600k and this video came out. Thanks
Should be hardwired
Hope everyone is having a great day!
Thank you bro I hope you find 200 dollars on the floor
I hope you have a great day.
Hope you too mate. Goos day. Peace night. ;)
@@burnttamale haha.
I would love to see an updated performance guide for this game in VR now. So hard to run it, SteamVR, plus an Edge window and OVR Toolkit for Twitch chat. Uses so much of my CPU. Highest FPS I can get is around 20 on low settings.
Helpful info. I'm sitting happy on high 1080 settings at only 32fps, but with terrain and object detail set to 120. The frames and quality of photogrammetry looks incredibly smooth on that rig. Great Job.
I have intel hd 3000 and I'm getting 0 fps.
Very smooth performance I have to say.
😂
Smooth as eggs.
You have fph
@@superbod. frames per hour
That's " PICTURE " perfect 😆
3:09 might be controller related.. MFS crashes for me 50% of the time I try to plug a controller/joystick in
loved his reaction though lol
Hahahahahaha that's so fucking broken
Yep, if my joystick calibration is a bit off and I unplug it the game crashes. So check your calibration before lauching it lads.
I've had the same experience, it absolutely hates controllers being plugged in and out while it's running and will almost always crash. USB connectors on PS4 and Xbox One controllers are kind of unreliable so I'm glad I'm using wireless.
That sounds like a problem that the Unity engine had where it would crash if you replugged the controller... so, which engine is MSFS using?
Try setting the Weather to Storm and time at night anf fly low over cities with lots of lights and see how much FPS you'll get, Jay. ;)
J has quad SLI 2080 ti's for petes sake
@@biocomputers7076 exactly lmao
Plus use a plane that has complex avionics.
@@biocomputers7076 Which would be a complete waste for this -game- simulator as even a 2080ti is CPU limited.
I’d recommend Athens to test super high density of auto generated houses
Thank you Jay and team. Good researching and I never really messed with Nvidia game settings before. From 17-20fps to 25 with just that suggestion. Actually makes a huge difference in low altitudes and taxiing around my favorite airport , KFXE. Improved ground scenery also.
YES, YOU ARE THE MANNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!! You can talk so fast and spit out product numbers so fast that nobody can understand you!!!!!!!
Never use Realtime unless it's literally the ONLY thing the machine has to do, which is never the case with games.
It makes the game run at a higher priority than basic windows functions. You can get delays in sound delivery, frame delivery to the gpu and way more delays on an almost driver level.
ErikRedbeard been there done that
Ive used real time and live everything since day 1 and I havent had an single issue, and I have a mid tier system
Cool story but that's a lie cause that's not how it works
It also wouldn't see your inputs until the game gives the CPU a break to do it.
This: devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20100610-00/?p=13753
People here complaining about FX cards and CPU’s, I’m sitting here with not enough storage space.
Bruh just buy an extra 2000GB HDD and run it in raid0 ($55 USD)
*laughs in CoD*
same😂
@@cytrus3427 bruh why would he run it in raid0 like ye there are some speed benefits but then he needs to get another drive aswell and its not worth it
@@FirstnameLastName-mr8lk he never said how many drives he had, not even if it's a HDD or ssd 🤷
you can enable the frametime graph in afterburner to show us the micro stutters
or in dev mode in game itself, they can display a lot of info like what's bottlnecking, gpu or cpu and they color code every frame in a graph. its great
Andrei Grigore - How do you get into this mode to see this information? Thanks.
@@SpeedRacer24X You go in the options, general (where graphics are) then at the bottom there's "dev mode". You enable that, then a black bar pops up at the top of the screen. Then look through the menus as I don't remember which one has it, probably Options or Windows, and then you'll be able to select the frames or FPS tool.
@@Andrei5656 Awesome, thanks so much for you help with this.
Excellent tips for tuning any game, thanks Jay & Phil!
Thanks for the video! It was very helpful to see someone more knowledgeable than me talk through these tweeks.
I have a Legion tower with an i9-9900 cpu, 32 gb of RAM, and a RTX 2070 GPU with a 2560x1080/144hz display. I found most of the suggested changes to NVIDIA's 3D settings didn't make much of a noticeable difference to my FPS, nor does turning Game Mode on or off in Windows settings. The most notable differences I found are in the sim itself. I have tried the graphic settings you suggested. FS2020 suggested during install that I run the sim on the 'High-End' level. I have tried 'Ultra' and tend to lose about 15 fps. I also gain about 15 fps over 'High-End' if I use all 'Middle' level settings. Dialing the graphic settings you mentioned to Middle or lower does give me about a 5 fps improvement.
Two other things I have learned could be helpful:
- I find significantly more stutter when I have 'Show Traffic Nameplates' turned on (in Traffic settings) especially if there are alot of other planes around, and
- I find I can lose as much as 15-20 fps if I have pop-out windows open (to display menus on a second or third monitor). My second and third monitors really slow the sim down (they are also only 60hz). I would suggest keeping the menus on the main screen.
Hope these are useful tips.
What I would really like is some options to configure dynamic degradation. For example, simple aircraft in low density scenery, Ultra could be an option but in high density scenery with a complex panel aircraft, some things have to be sacrificed. I don't want to have to configure one set of settings for everywhere, how about the ability to set my priority as to what to reduce first, to meet a desired frame rate.
Actually you do need around 45 minimum for a proper performance in Sims, I’ve been a developer for X plane for 3 years making airports. And enthusiast for over 20 years. If you drop below 30 you will have time delay issues. Also steam my name you will see the airports created by me.
Emma Bentley oh hey! We briefly talked in a cpt Canada stream. Bentley gang.
30FPS is fluid but feels a little bit slow and laggy, especially when the sim has RAM-related micro stutterings and camera pan stutters when running out of RAM and VRAM. 45FPS is ideal in most games, but only the new high-end graphics cards will bring 60-100FPS with everything maxed out and new 4k textures and 4k shadow maps graphics settings which will hopefully get implemented soon in FS2020, because the graphics can NEVER be stunning and amazing enough!
Are you programming airports for FS2020 too? I am looking for some beautyful ultra-detailed bush flight adventure airports in Canada and Alaska for Alaskan cargo freights with Cessna Caravan and stuff like that :)
Disagree, this only applies to online play. For actual flight simulators the FAA state that 20fps is the minimum allowed and 25 is recommended.
@@osuscyan3143 The FAA also said that the Boeing 737 MAX could fly, I'm not sure if we should trust them.
Ahh i remember so frustrated searching fsx lag fix like everyday in 2011. And now time has change
Funny thing is.. I'm getting 60fps. Now with FSX.😁 RYSEN 9 5900 & RX3070 GPU
This is actually really useful information! i used a bit of your previous Flight Sim footage in a spec detail and game review (hope you don't mind) it shows i might be able to run this myself if i bite the bullet and buy the game! Love the content as usual!
Ryzen 5 2600x , Radeon RX 580 8gb, 16gb DD4 , Installed on SSD. 15 Hours played so far with average 53 FPS. Playing on recommended high settings and everything just looks amazing. 1 crash so far only , PC isn't even that noisy, seemed to calm down after playing it for a few hours! Didn't work on 1st install so installed again overnight and now plays like a dream.
we live in a world where "i get 60 fps in Tokyo" makes sense
Next try the wind turbines in Nevada...
It's not like TV only better.
terrain level of detail 100
objects level of detail 100
water waves medium
shadow maps 768
texture supersampling 4x4
texture synthesis medium
terrain shadows 512
ambient occlusion high
windshield effects high
depth of field off
i think you want my computer to explode
@@yoke155 LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
“We’re going to go down to 4 by 4.”
Me: [engages 4x4 on crocs]
You're drinking too?
Im blown away by this simulator, with fsx and xplane i could never manage more than 20 to 25 fps but with msfs 2020 after making these changes im flying around Manhattan at 100+ fps with an R7 1700 and 1080ti, cant believe it.
Ok, I see why you have so many subs. What a great useful video. Saved me heaps of messing around trying to figure this stuff out. Thanks guys!
this is weird but kinda works for people. "in game press V to load up the VFR Map once up make that window to a pop window out of Flight sim, then minimize that window. and frames should jump higher
WOW! How have I not seen this mentioned anywhere else. Popping out the VFR Map and minimizing it almost doubles FPS in any settings scenario I have tested with.
Some examples below. POP = VFR popped out and minimized and REG = VFR not activated or popped out.
All testing done at KCPS 30L St Louis Downtown Airport, Broken Clouds, 9:00 A.M. Robin Cap10 Loop around STL downtown and Arch at 800 ft.
I also let the game settle down for 30 seconds before noting FPS and taking off.
*All test were new loads into area from main menu. If just restarted the FPS were better since things seemed to be cached.*
1080P Low Settings, 150 scaling, Photogrammetry on.
Sitting Idle on Runway: REG = Steady 46 FPS - POP = Steady 84 FPS
In flight west to downtown: REG = Steady 36 FPS - POP = Steady 70 FPS
Cross over Mississippi: REG = Unstable Dips as low as 12 FPS gets steady 25 FPS AVG - POP = Unstable, Dips as low as 25 FPS gets steady 55 FPS
East through downtown and Arch back towards airport: REG Steady 35 FPS - POP Steady 65 FPS
1080P Mid Settings, 150 scaling, Photogrammetry on.
Sitting Idle on Runway: REG = Steady 38 FPS - POP = Steady 72 FPS
In flight west to downtown: REG = Steady 29 FPS - POP = Steady 55 FPS
Cross over Mississippi: REG = Unstable Dips as low as 9 FPS gets steady 22 FPS AVG - POP = Unstable, Dips as low as 12 FPS gets steady 35 FPS
East through downtown and Arch back towards airport: REG Steady 30 FPS - POP Steady 50 FPS
1080P High-End Settings, 150 scaling, Photogrammetry on.
Sitting Idle on Runway: REG = Steady 32 FPS - POP = Steady 62 FPS
In flight west to downtown: REG = Steady 24 FPS - POP = Steady 45 FPS
Cross over Mississippi: REG = Unstable Dips as low as 6 FPS never gets steady 15 FPS AVG - POP = Unstable, Dips as low as 7 FPS gets steady 22 FPS
East through downtown and Arch back towards airport: REG Steady 20 FPS - POP Steady 40 FPS
1080P Ultra Settings, 150 scaling, Photogrammetry on.
Sitting Idle on Runway: REG = Steady 26 FPS - POP = Steady 48 FPS
In flight west to downtown: REG = Steady 16 FPS - POP = Steady 34 FPS
Cross over Mississippi: REG = Unstable Dips as low as 2 FPS never gets steady 8 FPS AVG - POP = Unstable, Dips as low as 4 FPS never gets steady 12 FPS
East through downtown and Arch back towards airport: REG Steady 15 FPS - POP Steady 30 FPS
System Specs:
Shadow PC, Boost Tier (Cloud based computer)
Intel Xeon CPU E5-2678 V3 2.5Ghz
Nvidia Quadro P5000, 16GB GDDR5 (Driver Version 452.06)
12GB System Memory
Win10
SSD
Internet: 1GB Down, 250MB Up
Gamers: ugh im running at 90 fps
Flight Simmers:
Sir i beg of you may i please have another frame?
Why do you recommend turning game mode on? Everything else I read on the internet says to turn it off.
Makes games have a higher performance response
You have saved this sim for me. All I wanted was a solid 30-35 FPS to practice the approaches I shoot IRL, and until your vid, have t been able to. I have an i7 6700k with 32GB RAM and until yesterday, had a GTX 1070 but went out and got an RTX 2070 Super because I was so pissed at the performance. It was all the same, on 1080 res high settings I was getting 5-7FPS on the ground, 14-25 FPS in the air. Flying around densely populated areas and big airports saw it crash to 10-7FPS. I went in and changed the 3D settings to Performance and that was the golden ticket. It freed up everything. I can crank it to ultra now on 1080 and get a liquid smooth 38-45FPS (in the sim world, this is liquid smooth). I was about to resign to the idea that I needed a new CPU and RTX 2080ti or 3080 (when they release) to even partially enjoy this. Thank you!!
I have a RTX2060 Super and Render Scaling at 200 smashed my frame rates to single digits. When I changed from RS 200 to RS 100 over New York City framerates were in the mid 20's. All the other tweaks slightly improved the framerates and that is a happy place for me.
Wow, thanks to those tips I got myself to steady "Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 is not responding" :))
Turn your realtime setting down to high.
I've got a 20% fps improvement by reducing volumetric clouds from ultra to high! (GTX 1070, i7 7700k)
Ram?
Nearly doubled my frame rate. So a massive thanks!
I run a 9900k with 32gb of ram at 3600mhz and a 1080ti. All storage drives are nvme.
I have a 1440p screen and was getting 30-40 fps. Now I'm up to 60-70, and it's much more consistent.
1 update your drivers
2 big impacts to perf:
depth of field
bloom
reflections
shadow maps
texture supersampling
texture synthesis
then one by one:
Objects Level of detail -> 100(high)
Terrain Level of detail -> 100(high)
water waves -> med
shadow maps -> 768
texture supersampling -> 4x4
water waves
Upgraded from an I5-4670K to a 5600x. Same GPU. GTX 1030 3gb. I can get 60fps in areas. Got 50fps close to the ground in Osaka. All over Manhattan, under 1000ft and 40+ fps. Pleasantly surprised. I have a 1070ti on the way though, and the 1060 will go back in the old PC. Can't wait to try it out again!
Me watching this and seeing all my settings are already lower than what you're moving yours to :(.
Its so funny: The Company behind DirectX12 uses DirectX11 API in his newest Game-release. NICE!
Microsoft isn't the developer only publisher. Asobo is developer
@@storkman Not really. Asobo is only one part of the devs. Microsofts own studios were also a big part of the development (Xbox Game Studios). And Microsoft itself is still the most important factor in the process (thats why its called MICROSOFT Flight Simulator at all).
I'm fairly certain DX12 support is coming later along with VR support.
I would be very happy with those 40 fps from the beginning xD
Subscribed...! The absolute BEST tutorial for optimizing MSFS 2020, how to to with driver setting, and and how to properly OC your Graphics Card so that it holds the boost speed, and everything all between to make your experience enjoyable...!
Thanks a lot. I am still with the old FSX but plan to move to 2020 soon. I will buy a new system first. Might wait for a 6 months or a year so that system is just ... less expensive. Good to see the 2060 at work as well. Of all of the folks who review and show us how to make 2020 work, you are the best. You explain it all very well.
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We're just lazy - JayzTwoCents 2020
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Try run the sim at night in new york. That's the REAL test.
There's more FPS at night ;-)
I'd recommend setting GPU Power management mode in global settings to Adaptive.
There's shouldn't be any change in performance, and instead of staying at base clocks when idle, the GPU downclocks. Changing from Maximum Performance to Adaptive yielded me the same performance, and idle temps went from 44C to 31C
If it makes a big difference in performance for FS2020, perhaps just set it to run Maximum Performance only when FS2020 is launched under program settings.
44C is still perfectly reasonable. It's when you start pushing close to 80c and above you don't want to remain there.
@@Sim737Pilot Still made a noticeable impact on the ambient temperature of my room, when just watching UA-cam though. I'd guess like 3c cooler room after some time, if I have my door closed.
Following these steps got me about a 15-20fps boost. Thanks Jay.
Thanks for the video man. Much needed info. Running a 1080ti water cooled with an i9-9900k. 64gb ram
Disabling Windows Defender everytime I start MFS helps me a lot with the stutters. GTX1660 9600K 16gb. I'm okay with MFS performance but it's not as smooth as XP11 for me.
Oh and also disabling the gamertags with multiplayer/live traffic gained me 15-20(!!)fps in busy areas. I'm sure Asobo will fix the bugs and optimization.
Well of course it's not as smooth as XP11, it's literally all autogen in FS2020!
I'll def look at killing defender and the name labels
How do you disable Defender? Mine just starts up again.
@@DerekMoore82 Go to your 'Virus & threats protection' tab in windows security. Scroll down 'Manage settings' click on it and toggle off 'real time protection'. It'll automatically go on again after rebooting the system.
@@Nathan_Jay That's true but please don't get me wrong. I freaking love MFS and I'm very excited for the future of flight sim in general. TBH The performance is way better than I've expected with my system and the awesome graphics we get. It took FSX a very long time to get to this kind of performance on high-end systems.
My 3dfx Voodoo is really struggling with this title
You should have gotten the 6000 instead of the 5500 ;)
You need a voodoo 2 in sli mode
In the last 38 years of running this sim, no new hardware has ever been able to run it full up at max frame rates, it is the same with every release. Due to the long cycle between versions, they build in graphics settings that will need to be stepped up to as new hardware becomes available. It has always been this way and is this way again with MSFS 2020. The sim does not need to be run at 60 fps to enjoy, just not 20 fps, somewhere in the 30-40 range is perfect. (not referrring to VR)
From someone with similar experience, I agree with you. 60+ is obviously ideal for any game/sim to be 'liquid smooth'. But for Flight Simulators over the years, 30fps+ is adequate for an enjoyable experience.
Although, in my opinion, MS really jumped the gun on this release. It's still poorly optimized and has too many crash issues to be fully enjoyed.
Appreciate the tweaks, helped my old 1070 workhorse chug out a few more frames.
"Don't need a lot of FPS"
*Triple monitor and VR setups:* "Am I a joke to you?"
Thanks for solving the problem. I'll just video cam my screen and watch the sim through that lol.
I noticed a similar crash when I slightly disconnected my controller’s cable, could be what happened at the beginning of the video.
Increasing the game cache really helps, the more juice you can give it the better the over all experience.
iBuypower snowblind S. No issues at all. Runs fantastically.
All I heard was "Next month when new stuff comes out".
Get a deal on 2080ti when 3090 is out.
@@muckymucks A steal. I heard it was going to be around 2k.
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OH MY GOD LOOK AT THOSE (what i think are) THREADS
Yeah, the 3950x is a beefy chip
More threads than my shirt
And completely wasted on MSFS which needs like 6-7 threads overall (don't look at the CPU usage numbers, they don't tell you anything). But that goes for the vast majority of games.
@@FluffyPuppyKasey cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-9900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-3950X/4028vs4057
@@jdshemp lmao why TF would you compare a 9900k to a 3950x? The coffee lake refresh chips were all shit too with the horrible thermal performance due to a shitty IHS/Die solder and just immaturity in general. Comet lake is so much nicer lol, 10600k and 3200mhz cl14 ram might be the sweetspot for msfs.
"lowering settings increases FPS" actually stunning news
I have 10700k with a 1070 and 32gb ram. I never checked my frames, but I am running smooth on ultra preset around the greater Toronto area in 1080p. Your cards simply allow higher resolution for the same performance.
Thanks guys for your contributions and time
*Just download more FPS bro smh*
What was he trying to tell us by flying through the New York skyline?
First time I have ever been recommended to turn ON game mode.
@BotPlayerLegacy nope. zero difference for me.
Awesome video Jay! Thanks for the help and taking the time to make a quality tutorial!
I was running it at "High.end" with a r5 3600 and a rx 5700 with 16 gb ddr4 3000m mhz. Thanks to this video I can run it at ultra. Really useful, thanks a lot.
"It's hard to run because of some bad optimizations"
FSX: allow me to introduce myself ;D
me: ok this is simple as that let's put down my shadows settings to try to get more fps !
my shadows settings: *ultra low quality*
me : ah shit
Interesting how you're saying to turn game mode on and everything else I've seen has said to turn it off
That's old news as it was buggy
I tried msf 2020 with game mode on and off, and on my PC absolutely nothing changes. Same for the new GPU scheduler.
Yeah, I've seen that in the DCS World optimizations specifically.
Are you sure they weren't talking about Microsoft game mode?
I got improvements(small but still) by turning it off
i just bought a pc with a i7 10700 k, 750 power supply, 16gigs 3200mhz ram. Asus prime Z490 wifi. Nvidia RTX 3070 Ti. I hope flight simulator runs well on it.
Thanks for this, someone posted everything you said in this video in a comment here and I took two screenshots of it on my phone earlier for easy access while doing this; now the game runs butter smooth for me - I might actually be able to enjoy it properly now, again thanks a lot.
Microsoft Simulator always releases with where most pc's can't handle everything at max settings. Future tech I guess.
MSFS 2020 will now be on everyone's benchbark :D
I don't know what is this nonsense everyone is talking about, I play on ultra on 2k resolution with rtx 2070 and 4770k and get 35fps, and it is smooth as butter. There are games where I can't live with less than 120fps,and then there is this, where 35fps flying in Cessna around world is just fine
@@ZheikoNileth maybe 35 fps for you is fine, but 35fps is pretty low for my tastes. And I will agree that MSFS 2020 looks stunning visually. You cannot argue that this Sim is very demanding which is my point. Higher frames makes controlling the aircraft feel more responsive. Jay getting the game to have 50-60fps is great!
@@jawsofwar all flight sims are demanding
I am coming from racing sim, so I know exactly what you mean by having more response. Having ffb steering wheel running on game that runs on 30fps vs 120fps is massive difference, but with planes, unless you are doing acrobatics, you need a slow and steady smál inputs anyways, right?
Zheiko Nileth depends on what you are doing, playable yes but more frames do make it easier. Especially for certain complicated instrument approaches with windy conditions etc.
i love when people comment before the video even starts lol.
wait. i do that. 🤫
sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. If I change my mind for any reason I'll put an edit notation on my comment.
@@awilliams1701 lol
sweet i made it early, thanks for the tips!
Helped me a lot more than Digital Foundry's video, which was basically an ad for that Origin system.
This actually helped my game so much. You just gained a subscriber
I've never seen anyone recommend turning (windows) game mode on.
Jay: have you measured that this actually has an impact on performance?
Seems like he just changes a bunch of settings at once, so he can't really track the impact of each setting. I don't like this unstructured approach.
@@DerTou Watch this instead- more methodical. ua-cam.com/video/0Tka4CUeIwE/v-deo.html
"... get mad at Microsoft. Don't get mad at me." - Jay
Oh jay, we're always mad at you.
Me: always mad at Microsoft since they can't get their messy OS out of open pre-alpha and they won't bring new FFB sticks for FS :D
Also Something interesting I found out, When I run the SIM, my gpu is not maxed at all, but when I minimize the SIM window my GPU gets pinned at 99 percent... Interesting to say the least
Same, happened during my installation. Didn't realize until after I came back...17 hours later.
When Jay use the website to download the latest Nvidia driver instead of using GeForce Experience you know he is an oooold man
Don't forget that the Vehicles category under General Settings has a big effect on framerates. Turning up or down the number of planes (parked and AI), boats, and cars makes a big change on FPS.
9:48 Go load in Online with a busy Airport ;)