Well well well. Finally someone who knows what he's doing. I followed your video to the letter. Jumped from 25fps to 41fps. No more stutters. My rig consists of i7 4790, 16gb Ram, RTX Quatro 4000 8GB Graphics running 3440 x 1440 at 144 Hz. If you ever come to Western Australia I'll buy you a beer or two. Thanks Mate. You have a new sub.
Hey thanks so much I'm happy this helped you .. thanks for the sub . My wife and I have always wanted to visit Australia maybe 1 day lol thankS again .
Wow, thanks very much for taking the time to put this tutorial together. You're right, a complete game changer and definitely the best tweaks I've ever made for MSFS.
This was Perfect, along with your previous video. I am working with an ASUS Prime Z690-P mobo, i9-12900K, Gigabyte RTX 3090, and 128GB DDR6 ram, and this helped tremendously!!!!! with my system i couldnt figure why MSFS wasnt all i expected.... turns out its all in the details aka settings. i am in love with my Reverb G2 AGAIN.
I just posted this on Overkill's site to thank him for promoting this video. This worked great (and unfortunately the two words that follows are the most hated in FS circles...) "for me". I used to fly around Los Angeles, but somewhere around SU8, I started getting severe jitters, and my FPS sometimes dropped to 10-15 when at an airport. I gave up and started flying out of Seattle, which is still a bit jittery but not as bad. I followed your advice and got a jump to the low 40's at Burbank, which is where I had really bad performance before. As others have mentioned, it could simply be the deinstallation of GEForce Experience and/or the clean install that did it more than anything else, but wow... this allowed me to increase my OLOD and TLOD also where I had to reduce them because of the jittering. You sir, are a steely-eyed missile man!
I had 10 x nVidia containers, however, I couldn't see that any of them were using grahics resources in task manager. I uninstalled GEFORCE Experience and I only had 2 x nVidia containers but I didn't get any improvement in FPS flying in Cessna 152 from City Airport London. I am running i7 and RTX 2070S non-VR 2560x1440 with all FS2020 settings maxed out. I will try the full set of steps sometime to see what happens.
The best tutorials I've seen on the subject. A week ago I bought a 3080ti and was disappointed to find that it only managed to get 15fps in New York. I have followed your recommendations and the improvement is impressive: 34fps and I have some settings higher than yours. And I still have to make the OpenXR settings. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.
😄Thank YOU! I watched the entire video and carefully took notes and screenshots. I can say that I certainly appreciated it, but I have to laugh because it wasn't until the end of the video, when you mentioned that the Nvidia Icon in the system tray will "No longer show the GeForce Experience", that I realized my Nvidia icon doesn't show the GeForce tattoo! I then remembered that I never installed any of those options! I suspected them to be bloatware back then and decided not to enable any of them. Therefore, I already had the GeForce Exp 'out of the picture', but I haven't tried FS 2020 since I've installed it (just recently) because I wanted to get all my 'ducks in a row' first. I've been a long-time FSX Flight-simmer for about 9+ years and was aware of what all those little 'free options' could do to a system, (even to the ones that I custom-build). Still, there were some steps that you showed in the video regarding selections made before installing the driver (like, "Enable DLSS Indicator" or "Show Expert Tweaks", etc.), that I'm sure I never selected when I installed my 3080Ti. So, I plan to try going w/o using this procedure and if I experience any issues that you said your video addresses, I'll just go on and do it! I know that it wasn't a waste of my time to take all those notes and screenshots because I may need the notes anyway. If not, well, I learned something and that's a "plus". Thanks again, Rich
There have been many videos claiming to improve MSFS and VR performance, so I was sceptical when watching this video., however(!), following the steps in this video really improved the VR experience. I am amazed at the improved FPS and visual quality the *hack* NVidia driver and the OpenXR toolkit gave. Thank you for the video.
Thanks for the Nvidia Performance Hack. Really didn't increase my framerate that much in MSFS but your previous video regarding the adjustment of the Nvidia Control Panel did make a big difference. Increased my framerate by 40%. Getting back to the performance hack; it did unexpectedly fix an issue I was experiencing with Adobe Photoshop for the past three months. Photoshop stopped working because it did not recognize OpenCL. After extensive troubleshooting with the help of both Adobe and Nvidia customer service yielded zero results. I was about to give up when I saw your video in regard to the Nvidia Performance Hack. After running the processes outlined in your video, I decided to try ONE LAST TIME to try and run Photoshop. Voila, Photoshop opened without error and the OpenCL file box was checked. I can now use photoshop thanks to you, my friend. Keep up the good work regarding MSFS. Your performance instructions are a true boon to all Flight Simmers.
Judging by the comments this tip actually works so I'll have to give it a try. What I find nearly unbelievable is that a graphics card company would add sfuff that diminishes the user experience - and so dramatically too! Incredible! And as someone else already said, shame on them.
Changed the game for me completely. 50+ fps in the Fenix Block 2, PMDG 737, and FSW Lear, in complex high resource areas like LAX, Vegas, NYC. Thank you.
I want to thank you for your work on this. Worked great. I have added between 5-10 FPS in VR which has enabled me to add to the render scale and thereby the quality. I am on a 3090 and a i9-10900k. I have noticed it has done a good job reducing anti-aliasing/shimmering in the mid range, which kind of broke some of the immersion. Still there but its better. So thank you again for all your effort here ;-)
Watched both your videos on this and can report MAJOR jump in smoothness and about 5-10 fps generally so far. Back on FSX with Win7 I was very much a clean safe mode driver install guy every time so nice to start that again now with Win11, def makes a huge difference cutting all the "GF experience" bloat out. Thanks
Want to greatly thank you. Between this video and your bar video I have boosted my FPS from 35-45 to 65-90 In MSFS2020 VR. Max resolution oculus quest 2, rtx 4080, i7 11700k.
Hey thanks a bunch ☺️ the main take away of the de bloat is the smoothness some people get an fps boost others don't. But hopefully it will be smoother flying for you .
Tip, if you haven't used the tool program. I've been testing reducing resolution. G2 is way over sampled. I reduced it to 80% with no loss of quality. Your brain may try to tell you it looks worse, our human nature greedy for eye candy, but you can pop back and forth out of VR and disable the tool. You'll see no real loss of quality. It's just things you were ignoring as normal stand out when you are looking for flaws.
After watching both of your videos on increasing the graphics performance for MSFS, I have to say I was quite impressed with the FPS increase I would the game runs at least 20-25% better, it's like my GPU is on steroids now. I was quite skeptical at first thinking this was another video of someone selling snake oil, but I was clearly wrong. You have gained me as a subscriber now, that is for sure!
I was getting micro stutters, especially on short final which would cause hard landings. Something that shouldn't happen being that I run a RTX 2070 Super and AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 6-Core processor. After following this tutorial, i flew over NYC from JFK Intl without ANY framerate drops or stutters! With every graphics setting cranked to the max except shadows set to 1024. For whatever reason shadows seem to hit this game regardless the PC horsepower. I simply cannot believe Nvidia bloatware caused all the problems I was having. Shame on them!
Overkill simulations recommended your channel about a performance boost, and I can't believe it actually worked. On my rtx 2060 + i5 10300h 16gb ram, I used to get 15-30 fps with a mix of high, ultra, and medium settings; currently, nearly all settings are in ultra, and I get a stable 30 fps (on laptop). Thank you for this tip.
@@2020fsers Just wanted to warn other laptop users like me that might experience what I had, high battery drain. This method worked to bring smoother and higher fps but I recently noticed when I unplug my laptop to use on battery, it was quickly draining. From 7 hours of battery use to less than an hour. I did a clean install with the latest driver but the issue still persisted. So I did DDU again and then clean installed just using the normal Nvidia method and installed GeForce experience and now my laptop battery is back to normal, lasting 7 hours. I would recommend this only to people who don't use their laptop battery and desktop users. Had to sacrifice the fps gains and smoothness for my battery. 🥲
Thanks for this info I do have a work around if you want to try it. Run the ddu again and then run the original driver from nvidia run the setup select custom install then make sure to not select GeForce experience. This application is not 2hat caused your battery draw it is other parts of the driver that we don't install using the nvclean so this way should work for you .
Thank you so much! before I did the stuff in this and your other video, I could only run msfs on vatsim with low settings and vsync set to 20 fps and if I tried to set it higher it would ctd when I ran vpilot, but now I've been able to play on ultra with it set to 60 fps and I'll get like 40-60 fps with no stuttering or ctd when using vpilot
I truly can't believe the improvement thanks to this tutorial. I'm not kidding when I say my jaw dropped when loaded the sim up. I must have at least doubled from where I was, and that's with increasing some settings. I am running an I5 4690k and a GTX 980, pretty old hardware, and yet I'm seeing fantastic performance. If you are on the fence about this method you should definitely try it!
I have a very similar system to the one featured in the video with a Reverb G2 - I have rear projection on in XR tools - the VR framerate in the latest landing challenge went from 30 to 46 after I followed this tutorial - highly recommended!
Hands shaking in anticipation when I get home. Must get better frames in msfs and DCS. It is amazing how wasteful these people are towards their own hardware and drivers. I remember when drivers were drivers only.
Dude, thank you so much. I've had such great results using this method, combined with the OPENXR toolkit. Best VR performance so far. FYI, I had like 13 processes before and now I have just the same you have. It really was a game changer for me. Thanks again man. You rock.
i really appreciate the comment and i am so happy this is working for everyone. Its crazy when you see all the extra processes in the background from nvidia and the lag it causes ugh. don't need to worry bout that anymore lol happy flying !
thank you so much ! i have also done an update video on this as some of the settings have changed if your interested ua-cam.com/video/YNGXHgehkeA/v-deo.html
Wow, this really has made the 30-40% performance increase (I've also followed your other videos for OpenXR and other VR settings). Flying a helicopter I'm now able to fps of 35-40 with quite high quality settings. But what was even more of a surprise, was that with low quality settings I could use VR with fly-by-wire A32NX getting fps of 30-35 (sometimes higher). I'm using an RTX3060Ti and Quest 2 from Oculus One small problem is that I've noticed that the upper left segment of the left eye is blurry sometimes ... like looking though a glass bottle. What might be causing this (it's strange to me that it's one segment of one eye)?
Thanks for the comment happy this helped. You may need to mess with the ffr in the openxr toolkit . You can turn ffr off and see if the blurriness has gone away if so then you just need to tweak those numbers probably the vertical and horizontal offset.
Decided to leave FFR off completely. May come back to it later. Still amazed that I am getting 35-40 fps with VR in the A32NX (after thinking that the NVIDIA GPU and Oculus Quest 2 would not cope and had been a wasted investment). Really recommend your guides to anyone struggling with VR (and with a NVIDIA GPU). Thanks again
Wow...Thank You very much for this great Tip. I make it like You Show and it works perfect! On my (Not so fast Laptop with GTX 1650) and on my Desktop with RTX 3070 the Performance get about 10FPS better than bevor. (With latest NVidia driver). Thank You. 👍👍👍
Hi Thank you for this tutorial and the time you have spent producing it. I have followed your suggestions and the sim looks pretty good. I now have an issue in that when I open another program, little nav map. Navigraph, discord etc my fps drops from 35/40 down to 15. I have not had this problem previously. I guess I need to roll back some of the settings in Nvidia, but which ones?
That's strange when it happens what does the fps tool say you are limited by. Removing GeForce from the driver should not cause this issue. What I would do is hit the restore button in the nvidia control panel and start by changing 1 thing at a time and see what you get. Thanks for the comment 😀
@@2020fsersHi, Not running VR and "limited by main thread" I restored the Nvidia settings and the issue is solved. I will go through the settings 1 at a time. The good news is I have a performance increase by following the DDU/NV clean install of about 10fps before even adjusting the Nvidia/Cfg file/Windows settings 👍I am running on a i5 with a 1080ti so my processor is always going to be limited I guess . Is it ok to adjust the Nvidia settings with the sim running?
Ok that is better news. No you cannot make changes while the sim is running and that's why this part could take you a while. But when you find out what caused the issue can you let me know so if someone else has the same issue I can advise them. Thanks again .
@@2020fsers Hi , so after applying the suggested Nvidia settings 1 at a time the problem occurs after setting the Background Application Max Frame rate to on and 30. This causes an immediate reduction in frame rate down to 15 when any other application is opened. Now off and all good
Another appreciative "down under" follower here and a NZ beer or 2 waits if you ever get to visit :-). Your info helped me get my VR FPS from a totally unusable 2-3 to 19 after making changes per your recommendations. My system specs are: Windows 11 Home 64 MSI B560 B560M, Pro-E MS 7D-22 Intel U3-E1 - gaming mode selected (whatever that means) Intel Comet Lake Core I5 10400 CPU @ 2.9GHZ 32GB memory NVidia GEFORCE GTX 1660 Super GPU, 2047MB, drivers up to date 2 Samsung SSD 860 EVO HP Reverb G2 VR OpenXR per your recommended settings. Task Manager had 6 NVidia entries before Guru3d and NVClean, now shows 2 - I assume this is as expected. My CPU typically running at less than 50% and GPU up from 65-70% to 98-100% in VR. In your opinion, does 19 FPS sound about right for my specs or do you feel that my system should be capable of more and if so, I would appreciate any recommendations about where to look. Thanks very much Mike
Hey thanks for the comment and happy it helped you.. so are you running you ram on xmp mode in the bios? If not turn that on will make a big change. I also just did a windows optimization guide I know it's for windows 10 but the application at the end of the video is a good application to use for 10 and 11 that will also help. You can also use msi afterburner and overclock your gpu. I also have a video on that as well.
Thank You, Amazing!!. On my RTX3080 with Reverb V2 ULTRA/HIGH setting FPS increased from 23 to 34! When you in the Netherlands I own you a couple of beers!
Great video detailed and very well explained. I guess when new drivers come out for nvidia you do the whole process again. And by the looks of it, it will help with most if not all games not just MSFS. Q) fairly new PC, and I've never installed Geforce Experience and just installed the drivers, I only have 2 containers in my task manager, do I need to go through all this process ? Will it actually benefit me much?
Not really as my metrics will be different from yours as well as all the other settings that you may have different than mine and your system is most likely different than mine . The only thing you can go on is mine and all the others comments about the performance increase like i said in the video i didnt take a before video because i didnt think there would be a difference at all, suprise to me. So you could try it and benefit, probably pretty well or don't and continue using as you are your call.
I was running 4K already smooth as it was, i came upon your video after a recommendation and i must say...it's definitly made it smoother. I can bump up a few other settings with this too! Came in super handy, made my sim more eye candy
Before I writing my comment, I went to see what others have said, and it sounds like I am only echoing the thoughts here. What a difference these steps made for me!! I think a party should be hosted in your honor for sharing these tips, and for anyone who gets nervous by this process, it was not nearly as painful as I expected it to be... and considering the outcome, it was MORE than worth it!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I came here from @OverkillSimulations channel. Great content and I will certainly be using your tips here later when I am able to flight sim. Thanks much for the effort you put forth in this video and the time you took to do the work for everyone! Cheers!
@@2020fsers So I went through both of your videos and I feel that I should've stopped after this one and checked the fps before adjusting my gpu settings (your other tutorial). That said, I'm going to have to go back and reset my settings as I'm getting 60+ fps while flying in the Alaskan bush but that said, the natural beauty is now very cartoon-ish and awful. Then while flying at JFK it dropped way down to the high teens and was pixelated in areas. So I'll have to take some time and go back through the settings in both the sim and gpu. I'm using a lowly Nvidia 1070, btw. Thanks again for these great tutorials, I'll let you know more after making adjustments.
@@2020fsers actually, it was nothing. My dumbass forgot to reset the monitor settings on my gpu after reinstalling the nvidia drivers. HA! Everything looks great now. Not seeing too much increase in fps but I did also sharpen the terrain and objects a bit within the game so I'm sure that's it. All looks great now also with the coloring. Its not as washed out looking as it was before and is a bit bluer now. Thanks so much for these tutorials. The next one will be organizing my addons. Thanks again for the work and effort you've put in here.
Thank you so much, i now have proper graphics like i see all the time on other peoples stuff, hahaha, 3060 amd ryzen 7 3800x, 32 g ram, HUGE increase in everything!!!!!
I don’t have MFS but have tried this with both automobilista 2 and assetto corsa competizione and amazingly I can run both in 4k with my Graphics card Nvidia GeForce Gtx 1080 Ti card where previously it just wouldn’t be playable. Thank you for this.
11900k OC , 3060ti OC 32gb ram , 2k etc etc... I had 3 nvidia share , 1 web helper , 1 nvidia shadowplay helper , and 5 nvidia container lol i have to say i already had a pretty smooth experience with the sim but i saw your video and i wanted to try your stuff and i have to say you know your stuff buddy ! my sim run soooooooo smooth with the pmdg 737 wow thank you
I've been using DDU for years. And it already gives you a safe reboot option and an option that disables windows to automatically update the video driver after the next reboot. So you don't have to worry about internet connection if you check those options when you start DDU All in all a great video The rest of what you described, I just intend to try. Thanks for the detailed explanations in both videos
Hey thanks for the comment I also saw those boxes to check but I don't like to rely completely on software so I do some things manually just to make sure all gets done I think I did check the no updates box but as a safe guard I still turn off internet . Thanks for the comment 😀 hope it helps you .
I do VR... but mostly xplane....but getting my ROG STRIX 3080ti tomorrow! Can’t wIt to try it out with your settings. I can’t stand not being in VR so I mostly fly xplane. Thanks for your efforts. I’ll be watching tomorrow night after new video cars is installed!!!!
I type in ms config, open system settings, click boot and tick the box to boot in safe mode, loads quicker than your route, once in safe mode before doing anything else I go back to the same system settings and un tick boot in safe, then run DDU. I've recently got a reverb G2, so I'm definitely going to try this, thanks for taking the time to show how to do it.
I am completely amazed by this. I’ve been so frustrated by my vr speed and graphics. I’ve now got nearly wide open graphics with 45 fps. Thank you so very much.
I am running a 1080 with 7700k an 32 gig ram. I did half of what you said in one video, I went from bouncing between 12 and 26 fps to a solid 31. Thanks man I’m gonna keep going with these
Sir, you Are a gentleman and a scholar in deed! My hat off to ya! Such a meticulous, detailed and easy to follow tutorial. Moreover, it truly yields results!! I said to myself upon venturing out on this journey with you: “I’m a bit skeptical but I trust this dude for some reasons!” I’m glad I did. My deepest appreciation, sir!!
I have followed each suggestion in this video as well as those suggested in the description. They have been a literal gamechanger. I'm running intel i5 processor with a GTX 3060 gpu. My Nvidia had 11 bloatware items, including Gforce. I only used the Gforce overlay for fps monitoring, and Steam provides this option anyway. I have extreeeemly smooth play with Ultra settings now. I'm able to fly through busy landscapes using more complex aircraft. My framerate has gone from 30-40 to 40-55. Both my Steam and MSFS2020 are running from a secondary SSD through a one-lane PCIe adaptor. I've been using the Google Maps mod and it is fantastic. I look forward to upgrading to Google Maps Pro. The mapping is even better. I will be joining The 2020 fs'ers group as soon as I can load my paypal. I'm a semi-retired old guy and I can tell you this: The second childhood is so much more fun than the first. Way better toys.
Hey thanks for the comment .. lol I agree way better toys now and also we can afford them. Not like being a kid and begging mom to buy me something lol. I'm happy the video helped you 😊
@@2020fsers Brother, you said it. I usually only visit mom on Mothers Day, when I make the climb into the attic and give her and that old rocking chair a good dusting.
I can't wait to try this! I have stutters in VR that I can't get rid of, I have tried everything, and this is on an i7 10700 with a 2080ti that scores over 15,000 in Time Spy, so it should be pretty good! Unfortunately my whole family has Covid at the moment, so I kind of feel like crap, so it may be a few days before I get to try it. I will let you know the outcome when I do!
Hey thanks for the comment 1 thing I can advise before you make changes is to mess with 1 thing at a time so if something happens you don't like you will know. Like make changes in the msfs first. Then maybe the nvidia panel test again then do the debloat and test again .hope this helps you
I must say I didn't believe it but it works. FPS is smoother and about 10-20% higher for me. Also a stutter when panning quickly is almost gone which is amazing!
I really want to thank you so much for this I have a 2080 graphics card and run VR mostly what a difference this has made I was running in the 35 FPS and now I'm in the high 48 to 50 FPS
Thank you for this information. I have the Nvida GeForce RTX-2070 GPU. While in the MSFS2020 window I get 25-35 FPS after following your instructions. I can live with that however every time I switch to another window (like supported MSFS2020 utilities, or the map, etc...the open flight simulator window goes to 15 FPS & stutters until I make it the active window. I didn't have this issue prior to the performance hack other than the lose of flight control inputs when the simulator is not the active window which is still the case. GeForce Game Ready Driver - Driver Version: 516.59 - Release Date: Tue Jun 28, 2022
I had 10 Nvidia entries in Task Manager before using these suggestions. I now have 2 !! My FPS in MSFS (Steam) has gone from 30 to 60 and the user experience is so much better !!! I just need to resolve some remaining head tracking issues with my TrackHat setup :-) [maybe one day I'll be able to afford VR] FYI - I'm using a GeForce GTX 1080 on a PC with an i7-7700K @4.2Ghz and W10 64-bit. Many thanks to 2020 Fs'ers !!
Great Job!, very THOROUGH and PROFESSIONAL. Wish I could find someone on here that can run through X-Plane 11 like you have with MSFS 2020. If you know of anyone, pass their sight my way. Thanks. Again, GREAT JOB
@@2020fsers Thank you Sir for the quick response. I subscribed to your channel even though I don't fly MSFS 2020. I bought it, and tried it, but was having so much trouble with it, I just finally uninstalled it. after watching some of your detailed videos, I might reinstall it and give it another try. Thanks Again
It really is great and I can help you with whatever you need . Also stop by the Facebook group their you can share pics and videos if you have issues . It's a great community of fellow simmers all willing to help out and no negativity . Unless a sim update lol just kidding 😂
If you use a 3rd party app to make your Graphic settings like Nvidia Inspector and you don't mind disabling your Nvidia Display Settings app, there is a much easier way to do this and it eliminates all the Nvidia Container sessions. All you need to do is run MSCONFIG and in the Services tab disable the "NVIDIA Display Containers" service. Reboot and you'll no longer have any NVIDIA Contain apps active which effectively disables all NVIDIA Apps except the driver, which you can modify with your 3rd party app (Like NVIDIA Inspector)
@@2020fsers I'm actually running a system below specs (8GB (6.9GB usable) and a GFX1050 2GB) so I'm not the best to tell difference in FPS (I typically get in low 20's on the ground at a major airport, and 30FPS (Locked) in the air. What I can tell you it is much smoother with no where near the stuttering I was getting. In fact it also greatly reduced stuttering in my Train Sim 2. On one of my routes There are some locations where I would typically get a long stutter (5-10 sec+) now barely a micro stutter if at all!
I had on my computer a total of 10 Nvidia programs. What an eye opener. I am now updating it with the new programs that you recommend. Looking forward to see what I can increase too.
@@2020fsers Ok so Here are my Results. Followed the instructions to the T. At highly detailed airports and JFK I get around 23-28 after following the instructions. Flying through Heavy clouds went down to around 19-21 but they were thick! Overall it seems to run smoother even at the low frame rates. When I get up to cruising and the sky is clear I get 45-50 easy. I have all my settings on Ultra.
Ok great thanks for the info 1 thing that will help fps is turn the clouds to high and that will greatly improve fps if you have that set to ultra. Thanks again
Two things... First, you should really mention that users Nvidia settings will be reset at the beginning of this video, not the end. So, if people watching have spent hours (or months) fine-tuning them, they could go in and note them down or export them using the tool shown here: ua-cam.com/video/IV1LtBoSaW8/v-deo.html. Second, you really should mention how to update your drivers going foward. I imagine I can just check for new versions on the Nvidia drivers page, download them, and use the same tool to create an updated driver installer, but if there's some checkbox that would need to be checked, or some additional step necessary that may be overlooked, it would be good to know about that ahead of time. Otherwise, this is an excellent video! It was easy to follow and will hopefully give me some extra FPS when gaming in VR.
Thanks for the comment . For updates you repeat the same process. Yeah I forgot to mention about settings at the beginning however this process is kinda complex so I'm hoping that people watch it first before trying to follow but point taken we are all human and sometimes we forget.
@@2020fsers Not trying to criticize you. It's a good tutorial and will surely help many people optimize their video cards, myself included. The link to the other video will be incredibly useful for many people though. You may want to consider adding it to your description so people can see how to quickly back up their control panel settings (especially after my comment gets buried down further in the following months/years).
Does the same software keep working, or constantly having to hunt down updates. I hate all the waste they create to 'help' you. Help me by not bogging it down with garbage.
You have to download new drivers from.nvidia . That's all I would say you probably don't need to run ddu every time but it's a good idea . If you don't make sure you check clean or fresh install in the nvclean install program .
Thanks for the advice, I have had mixed results, I first done this on my 3090 desktop and 💯 see an improvement. After the success on the desktop I went on to do my 3080 laptop but the laptop see a substantial decrease in performance. Very bizarre. I will continue messing with the laptop and see if I can work out why 👍
Hey there, how does the laptop run in comparison to your desktop? I prefer a laptop configuration but wonder if I’m giving up loads of performance vs the desktop option? I have the i9 and 3070. Thanks for your help
Gave this a try... got a 10% increase in FPS. At LAX in the stock C172, running a 10700 with 308012GB GPU & 32GB 3200DDR4, everything on ULTRA (minus waterwaves and trees on HIGH) with LOD at 200 no AI Traffic, I was pulling 35fps. After running through these steps, I'm at 39fps.
On further testing I'm getting about a 10 to 15% FPS increase (I'm continuing testing). I also watched the "BEST Graphics Settings For SIM 9 Update" video and performed the recommended NVIDIA & Sim Graphics Settings. Since I have an I7 processor I did try VSYNC setting off/on...did not seem to make a big difference, but this is the first time I've had anyone of the Graphics Performance videos suggest anything but VSYNC OFF. I've always found that TERRAIN LEVEL OF DETAIL seems to be the parameter that FPS is most sensitive to.
I guess I'm the only one who watch this video that saw absolutely zero improvement. I don't know if I did something wrong or it's just my system but unfortunately this did absolutely nothing for me. But thank you for taking the time to try to help us out very much appreciate it.
FYI manually removing AMD Radeon Adrenalin software and drivers, then use Guru3D to clean up, worked for me and my install of MSFS2020. Even after re-installing Adrenaline 21.5.2, with factory reset, increased my FPS and visual and I not seen any stuttering or micro scenary stuttering at the edge of the screen or in any side window. A big improvent on a low spec laptop, running a AMD R7 M360 GPU......Thank you for the tip!!!! 👍
No thank you 2020 fs'sers, my sim is running butter smooth on a mix low medium in game graphic settings. On a laptop's which 8yrs Old, utilising a bult-in Cpu, R7 m360 GPU. So, If you 're a low/ mid range AMD GPU user and didn't reinstall at MSFS2020 at rel 8, then try reinstalling MSFS2020 at rel 9 with this driver reinstallation tip and I hope you thay you also get great results like me!!!°
This is definitely an intriguing video--learned something new I hadn't noticed (all the extra instances) or knew was out there before (Nvclean). My system showed about 6 instances of the driver running initially and had heard before that GeForce Experience was generally a parasite on one's system... so was excited to see how much boost I could get. I'm now down to the 2 instances like what you show in your video, but my frame rate has dropped about 5fps... granted I probably didn't do a great job of isolating the exact conditions (just same airport, and altitude with the drone camera); but perhaps with live weather, I had more clouds in the scene after using the Nvclean compiler? In any case, logically it seems one's system should perform better with less overhead running... So, thanks for the tip!
Wow… I’m just gonna play on my Series X. This is a little too much work considering console is just plug and play. Great video though and I’m sure I’ll eventually apply of this info to my PC.
I remember doing all those step following your guide and worked amazingly. Sorry I didn't say thanks before. I was wondering if it's still relevant for the 40th anniversary edition? And again, thank you so much. Fly safe.
I followed this nice step by step guide, absolutely no change in fps. My system is i7 10700k RTX3090, varjo aero. I already doubted that debloating Nvidia suite of software would cause a 30-40% gain in fps as it simply suggests that Nvidia people are working against their own interest. They invest so much in software optimization to get 10% increase in performance, it's just unbelievable that they add some utility softwares (like GeForce experience) that would eat up 30-40% of fps that easy. Nevertheless, i expected may be up to 5-10% fps increase if I cleared every other software than the driver, but No, nothing changed at all, and that makes perfect sense for me. Just felt that I wasted my time in a long unnecessary process. I appreciate every effort in this channel though. I am just warning everyone from overpromises as they can leave you disappointed. After all it may be just my system. I don't claim to know it all. Thanks for your efforts in all cases Mr 2020fs'er 😀
thanks for the comment .. if you already did not have the geforce installed then this may not have helped much for those that do it has made an improvement in pretty much everyones system. Im not sure why this did not impact you the same if you had geforce installed . Im not sure why nvidia would implement such a tool that would eat up so much performance.. thats above my paygrade lol. Anyway thanks for the comment and happy flying.
@@2020fsersI didn't check if there's a performance boost in PC as I fly VR only. But for VR it's exactly the same as before (i read fps from open XR toolkit overlay). I don't regret uninstalling GeForce experience though 😆
It makes sense that the background processes are consuming CPU and not GPU, so you're mainly freeing your CPU for sim tasks only. If you were limited by CPU then you'll notice performance increase. If you were initially GPU limited, then the extra free CPU won't help. You're still limited by GPU. Generally high resolution displays (multiple monitors, VR.. ) are GPU intensive and normally fps would be GPU limited in this case.
Well well well. Finally someone who knows what he's doing. I followed your video to the letter. Jumped from 25fps to 41fps. No more stutters. My rig consists of i7 4790, 16gb Ram, RTX Quatro 4000 8GB Graphics running 3440 x 1440 at 144 Hz. If you ever come to Western Australia I'll buy you a beer or two. Thanks Mate. You have a new sub.
Hey thanks so much I'm happy this helped you .. thanks for the sub . My wife and I have always wanted to visit Australia maybe 1 day lol thankS again .
You are a hero!!!! Send Overkill Simulations a nod as he’s bringing his followers to you!!!
I know ,I commented on the post he made and really he did not have to do that but I really appreciate that he felt the need to do so. Great guy
Wow, thanks very much for taking the time to put this tutorial together. You're right, a complete game changer and definitely the best tweaks I've ever made for MSFS.
Hey thanks for the comment I'm happy this helped you 😀
This was Perfect, along with your previous video. I am working with an ASUS Prime Z690-P mobo, i9-12900K, Gigabyte RTX 3090, and 128GB DDR6 ram, and this helped tremendously!!!!! with my system i couldnt figure why MSFS wasnt all i expected.... turns out its all in the details aka settings. i am in love with my Reverb G2 AGAIN.
I'm happy these helped you thanks for the comment
I just posted this on Overkill's site to thank him for promoting this video. This worked great (and unfortunately the two words that follows are the most hated in FS circles...) "for me". I used to fly around Los Angeles, but somewhere around SU8, I started getting severe jitters, and my FPS sometimes dropped to 10-15 when at an airport. I gave up and started flying out of Seattle, which is still a bit jittery but not as bad. I followed your advice and got a jump to the low 40's at Burbank, which is where I had really bad performance before. As others have mentioned, it could simply be the deinstallation of GEForce Experience and/or the clean install that did it more than anything else, but wow... this allowed me to increase my OLOD and TLOD also where I had to reduce them because of the jittering.
You sir, are a steely-eyed missile man!
Lol love the comment thanks very much and ps sorry for the late reply
I had 10 x nVidia containers, however, I couldn't see that any of them were using grahics resources in task manager. I uninstalled GEFORCE Experience and I only had 2 x nVidia containers but I didn't get any improvement in FPS flying in Cessna 152 from City Airport London. I am running i7 and RTX 2070S non-VR 2560x1440 with all FS2020 settings maxed out. I will try the full set of steps sometime to see what happens.
That's really strange. But it does affect everyone differently thanks for the comment
Mate thank you so much I went from 15-20 FPS at Heathrow now I get 40-50!!! Legend mate
great to hear thanks for posting!
The best tutorials I've seen on the subject. A week ago I bought a 3080ti and was disappointed to find that it only managed to get 15fps in New York. I have followed your recommendations and the improvement is impressive: 34fps and I have some settings higher than yours. And I still have to make the OpenXR settings.
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.
Very welcome . That's how we all get better by each of us spreading the knowledge around. Thanks again for the post
😄Thank YOU! I watched the entire video and carefully took notes and screenshots. I can say that I certainly appreciated it, but I have to laugh because it wasn't until the end of the video, when you mentioned that the Nvidia Icon in the system tray will "No longer show the GeForce Experience", that I realized my Nvidia icon doesn't show the GeForce tattoo!
I then remembered that I never installed any of those options! I suspected them to be bloatware back then and decided not to enable any of them.
Therefore, I already had the GeForce Exp 'out of the picture', but I haven't tried FS 2020 since I've installed it (just recently) because I wanted to get all my 'ducks in a row' first. I've been a long-time FSX Flight-simmer for about 9+ years and was aware of what all those little 'free options' could do to a system, (even to the ones that I custom-build).
Still, there were some steps that you showed in the video regarding selections made before installing the driver (like, "Enable DLSS Indicator" or "Show Expert Tweaks", etc.), that I'm sure I never selected when I installed my 3080Ti. So, I plan to try going w/o using this procedure and if I experience any issues that you said your video addresses, I'll just go on and do it!
I know that it wasn't a waste of my time to take all those notes and screenshots because I may need the notes anyway. If not, well, I learned something and that's a "plus".
Thanks again,
Rich
Hey Rich thanks for the comment .. sorry it won't help to much because you were smart already to not install GeForce 😉
I was in the 20-25FPS range and now I’m at 50+! Thanks for the great video!!
Awsome thanks for the comment glad it worked for you 👍 😀
There have been many videos claiming to improve MSFS and VR performance, so I was sceptical when watching this video., however(!), following the steps in this video really improved the VR experience. I am amazed at the improved FPS and visual quality the *hack* NVidia driver and the OpenXR toolkit gave. Thank you for the video.
Awesome thanks for the comment 😀
Wow, I am so impressed with how much better my VR is in msfs! It made a huge difference on the smoothness of the flights. Thank you so much!!!
Very welcome 😀 glad it worked for you .
Thanks for the Nvidia Performance Hack. Really didn't increase my framerate that much in MSFS but your previous video regarding the adjustment of the Nvidia Control Panel did make a big difference. Increased my framerate by 40%. Getting back to the performance hack; it did unexpectedly fix an issue I was experiencing with Adobe Photoshop for the past three months. Photoshop stopped working because it did not recognize OpenCL. After extensive troubleshooting with the help of both Adobe and Nvidia customer service yielded zero results. I was about to give up when I saw your video in regard to the Nvidia Performance Hack. After running the processes outlined in your video, I decided to try ONE LAST TIME to try and run Photoshop. Voila, Photoshop opened without error and the OpenCL file box was checked. I can now use photoshop thanks to you, my friend. Keep up the good work regarding MSFS. Your performance instructions are a true boon to all Flight Simmers.
That's awesome to here that . Thanks for posting this.. now you can use photoshop !
Judging by the comments this tip actually works so I'll have to give it a try. What I find nearly unbelievable is that a graphics card company would add sfuff that diminishes the user experience - and so dramatically too! Incredible! And as someone else already said, shame on them.
Thanks for the comment please let me know how it goes for you . 😊
Changed the game for me completely. 50+ fps in the Fenix Block 2, PMDG 737, and FSW Lear, in complex high resource areas like LAX, Vegas, NYC. Thank you.
Your welcome thanks for the comment 👍
I want to thank you for your work on this. Worked great. I have added between 5-10 FPS in VR which has enabled me to add to the render scale and thereby the quality. I am on a 3090 and a i9-10900k. I have noticed it has done a good job reducing anti-aliasing/shimmering in the mid range, which kind of broke some of the immersion. Still there but its better. So thank you again for all your effort here ;-)
Very welcome thank you very much for the comment 😀 glad it worked for you
Thank you for this! Felt the boost in performance immediately on all my games. :D
That's great thanks for the comment 👍
Excellent. Thank you. Very clear to someone who's IT challenged.
Great thanks for the comment
What a Chad for sharing this stuff man. This is night and day difference on my system.
Thanks so much for the comment.. happy this worked for you
Watched both your videos on this and can report MAJOR jump in smoothness and about 5-10 fps generally so far. Back on FSX with Win7 I was very much a clean safe mode driver install guy every time so nice to start that again now with Win11, def makes a huge difference cutting all the "GF experience" bloat out. Thanks
Great to hear thanks for posting your results 👍 glad this worked for you.
I am happy to confirm the same results!
Want to greatly thank you. Between this video and your bar video I have boosted my FPS from 35-45 to 65-90 In MSFS2020 VR. Max resolution oculus quest 2, rtx 4080, i7 11700k.
That's great .. thanks for the comment enjoy vr 😀
You can do Control + Shift + Escape to open the task manager directly without having to go to the blue menu.
great info thanks
well, you learn something new each day. ta
Or right click on the start button and click "Task Manager".
I always used ctrl/alt/del or did it change for windows 11?
@@Muckylittleme that goes to the blue menu, where you then have to click open task manager. Ctrl+shft+escape opens task manager right away
I have gained 15-25 frames in VR in DCS !!!!!! cheers mate!
Wow so happy this is making an improvement across other vr Sims I also heard the same for train Sims. Thanks for posting
This worked like magic. Don't know how to thank you . Please keep up the good work
Thanks very much 😀 glad it worked for you
Couldn't get any FPS boost, however, it does feel smoother. Also, good to learn about Nvclean, and the process, thank you, subscribed.
Hey thanks a bunch ☺️ the main take away of the de bloat is the smoothness some people get an fps boost others don't. But hopefully it will be smoother flying for you .
Tip, if you haven't used the tool program. I've been testing reducing resolution. G2 is way over sampled. I reduced it to 80% with no loss of quality.
Your brain may try to tell you it looks worse, our human nature greedy for eye candy, but you can pop back and forth out of VR and disable the tool. You'll see no real loss of quality. It's just things you were ignoring as normal stand out when you are looking for flaws.
After watching both of your videos on increasing the graphics performance for MSFS, I have to say I was quite impressed with the FPS increase I would the game runs at least 20-25% better, it's like my GPU is on steroids now. I was quite skeptical at first thinking this was another video of someone selling snake oil, but I was clearly wrong. You have gained me as a subscriber now, that is for sure!
I use snake oil in my hair 😆. Jk thanks very much for the comment glad it helped you.
I was getting micro stutters, especially on short final which would cause hard landings. Something that shouldn't happen being that I run a RTX 2070 Super and AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 6-Core processor.
After following this tutorial, i flew over NYC from JFK Intl without ANY framerate drops or stutters!
With every graphics setting cranked to the max except shadows set to 1024. For whatever reason shadows seem to hit this game regardless the PC horsepower.
I simply cannot believe Nvidia bloatware caused all the problems I was having. Shame on them!
fantastic glad this worked for you and thanks for posting
Overkill simulations recommended your channel about a performance boost, and I can't believe it actually worked. On my rtx 2060 + i5 10300h 16gb ram, I used to get 15-30 fps with a mix of high, ultra, and medium settings; currently, nearly all settings are in ultra, and I get a stable 30 fps (on laptop). Thank you for this tip.
Very welcome glad it worked for you thanks for the comment 😀
@@2020fsers Just wanted to warn other laptop users like me that might experience what I had, high battery drain. This method worked to bring smoother and higher fps but I recently noticed when I unplug my laptop to use on battery, it was quickly draining. From 7 hours of battery use to less than an hour. I did a clean install with the latest driver but the issue still persisted. So I did DDU again and then clean installed just using the normal Nvidia method and installed GeForce experience and now my laptop battery is back to normal, lasting 7 hours. I would recommend this only to people who don't use their laptop battery and desktop users. Had to sacrifice the fps gains and smoothness for my battery. 🥲
Thanks for this info I do have a work around if you want to try it. Run the ddu again and then run the original driver from nvidia run the setup select custom install then make sure to not select GeForce experience. This application is not 2hat caused your battery draw it is other parts of the driver that we don't install using the nvclean so this way should work for you .
Thanks very much for putting this tutorial together.
Your welcome thanks for the comment 👍
Doing this not only made my sim run wayyyy better but It also fixed my crash to desktop issue! Thanks!
Very welcome thanks for the post . Glad it helped you
Thank you so much! before I did the stuff in this and your other video, I could only run msfs on vatsim with low settings and vsync set to 20 fps and if I tried to set it higher it would ctd when I ran vpilot, but now I've been able to play on ultra with it set to 60 fps and I'll get like 40-60 fps with no stuttering or ctd when using vpilot
Awesome thanks for the comment 😀 glad it helped you
I truly can't believe the improvement thanks to this tutorial. I'm not kidding when I say my jaw dropped when loaded the sim up. I must have at least doubled from where I was, and that's with increasing some settings. I am running an I5 4690k and a GTX 980, pretty old hardware, and yet I'm seeing fantastic performance. If you are on the fence about this method you should definitely try it!
Thanks so for the comment and posting your results.
I have a very similar system to the one featured in the video with a Reverb G2 - I have rear projection on in XR tools - the VR framerate in the latest landing challenge went from 30 to 46 after I followed this tutorial - highly recommended!
Hey thank you for taking the time to post this . I'm happy this worked for you.
Sweet- can’t wait! Rog strix3080ti coming in the mourning!
Hands shaking in anticipation when I get home. Must get better frames in msfs and DCS.
It is amazing how wasteful these people are towards their own hardware and drivers. I remember when drivers were drivers only.
Great 👍 let me know how it goes . Thanks for the post
You know? Since I got my G2 last weekend, I havent ONCE looked at my FPS. I have no idea what it is.
Bloody brilliant. Thank you so much. Might be a faff to do but certainly worth the end result. Thanks again.
Very welcome thanks for the comment .. I will be doing an update to this as some settings have changed in the programs . Glad it helped you .
Dude, thank you so much. I've had such great results using this method, combined with the OPENXR toolkit. Best VR performance so far. FYI, I had like 13 processes before and now I have just the same you have. It really was a game changer for me. Thanks again man. You rock.
i really appreciate the comment and i am so happy this is working for everyone. Its crazy when you see all the extra processes in the background from nvidia and the lag it causes ugh. don't need to worry bout that anymore lol happy flying !
Just performed this task and it went without a hitch! Excellent tutorial my man!
thank you so much ! i have also done an update video on this as some of the settings have changed if your interested ua-cam.com/video/YNGXHgehkeA/v-deo.html
Wow, this really has made the 30-40% performance increase (I've also followed your other videos for OpenXR and other VR settings). Flying a helicopter I'm now able to fps of 35-40 with quite high quality settings. But what was even more of a surprise, was that with low quality settings I could use VR with fly-by-wire A32NX getting fps of 30-35 (sometimes higher). I'm using an RTX3060Ti and Quest 2 from Oculus
One small problem is that I've noticed that the upper left segment of the left eye is blurry sometimes ... like looking though a glass bottle. What might be causing this (it's strange to me that it's one segment of one eye)?
Thanks for the comment happy this helped. You may need to mess with the ffr in the openxr toolkit . You can turn ffr off and see if the blurriness has gone away if so then you just need to tweak those numbers probably the vertical and horizontal offset.
Decided to leave FFR off completely. May come back to it later. Still amazed that I am getting 35-40 fps with VR in the A32NX (after thinking that the NVIDIA GPU and Oculus Quest 2 would not cope and had been a wasted investment). Really recommend your guides to anyone struggling with VR (and with a NVIDIA GPU). Thanks again
@jonathantill6691 your welcome
Wow...Thank You very much for this great Tip. I make it like You Show and it works perfect! On my (Not so fast Laptop with GTX 1650) and on my Desktop with RTX 3070 the Performance get about 10FPS better than bevor. (With latest NVidia driver). Thank You. 👍👍👍
Your welcome thanks for the comment 😀
Hi Thank you for this tutorial and the time you have spent producing it.
I have followed your suggestions and the sim looks pretty good. I now have an issue in that when I open another program, little nav map. Navigraph, discord etc my fps drops from 35/40 down to 15. I have not had this problem previously. I guess I need to roll back some of the settings in Nvidia, but which ones?
That's strange when it happens what does the fps tool say you are limited by. Removing GeForce from the driver should not cause this issue. What I would do is hit the restore button in the nvidia control panel and start by changing 1 thing at a time and see what you get. Thanks for the comment 😀
@@2020fsersHi, Not running VR and "limited by main thread" I restored the Nvidia settings and the issue is solved. I will go through the settings 1 at a time. The good news is I have a performance increase by following the DDU/NV clean install of about 10fps before even adjusting the Nvidia/Cfg file/Windows settings 👍I am running on a i5 with a 1080ti so my processor is always going to be limited I guess . Is it ok to adjust the Nvidia settings with the sim running?
Ok that is better news. No you cannot make changes while the sim is running and that's why this part could take you a while. But when you find out what caused the issue can you let me know so if someone else has the same issue I can advise them. Thanks again .
@@2020fsers Hi , so after applying the suggested Nvidia settings 1 at a time the problem occurs after setting the Background Application Max Frame rate to on and 30. This causes an immediate reduction in frame rate down to 15 when any other application is opened. Now off and all good
Great good news I never use that setting .
Another appreciative "down under" follower here and a NZ beer or 2 waits if you ever get to visit :-). Your info helped me get my VR FPS from a totally unusable 2-3 to 19 after making changes per your recommendations.
My system specs are:
Windows 11 Home 64
MSI B560 B560M, Pro-E MS 7D-22 Intel U3-E1 - gaming mode selected (whatever that means)
Intel Comet Lake Core I5 10400 CPU @ 2.9GHZ
32GB memory
NVidia GEFORCE GTX 1660 Super GPU, 2047MB, drivers up to date
2 Samsung SSD 860 EVO
HP Reverb G2 VR
OpenXR per your recommended settings.
Task Manager had 6 NVidia entries before Guru3d and NVClean, now shows 2 - I assume this is as expected.
My CPU typically running at less than 50% and GPU up from 65-70% to 98-100% in VR.
In your opinion, does 19 FPS sound about right for my specs or do you feel that my system should be capable of more and if so, I would appreciate any recommendations about where to look.
Thanks very much
Mike
Hey thanks for the comment and happy it helped you.. so are you running you ram on xmp mode in the bios? If not turn that on will make a big change. I also just did a windows optimization guide I know it's for windows 10 but the application at the end of the video is a good application to use for 10 and 11 that will also help. You can also use msi afterburner and overclock your gpu. I also have a video on that as well.
Can I put this video on community post on my channel and give you credits? Good one and I'll try it out later :)
Sure thing 👍 thanks for asking anything to help the community
Thank You, Amazing!!. On my RTX3080 with Reverb V2 ULTRA/HIGH setting FPS increased from 23 to 34! When you in the Netherlands I own you a couple of beers!
Hey thanks I really appreciate it 😊 im happy it helped you.
Great video detailed and very well explained. I guess when new drivers come out for nvidia you do the whole process again. And by the looks of it, it will help with most if not all games not just MSFS.
Q) fairly new PC, and I've never installed Geforce Experience and just installed the drivers, I only have 2 containers in my task manager, do I need to go through all this process ? Will it actually benefit me much?
You will probably benefit from the ddu but not really if you only have the 2 containers. And yes you would do the process over on new updates
Thanks for the comment 😀
what a game changer in VR, came here thanks to "Flight Simming Guy's World Travel in VR" tutorial, it blows my eyes!!! Thank you so much !!!
Your welcome thanks for the comment
completely useless without metrics compared before and after...
Not really as my metrics will be different from yours as well as all the other settings that you may have different than mine and your system is most likely different than mine . The only thing you can go on is mine and all the others comments about the performance increase like i said in the video i didnt take a before video because i didnt think there would be a difference at all, suprise to me. So you could try it and benefit, probably pretty well or don't and continue using as you are your call.
@@2020fsers placebo effect is a very powerful thing.
I was running 4K already smooth as it was, i came upon your video after a recommendation and i must say...it's definitly made it smoother. I can bump up a few other settings with this too! Came in super handy, made my sim more eye candy
Great that's fantastic thanks for the comment 😀
Before I writing my comment, I went to see what others have said, and it sounds like I am only echoing the thoughts here. What a difference these steps made for me!! I think a party should be hosted in your honor for sharing these tips, and for anyone who gets nervous by this process, it was not nearly as painful as I expected it to be... and considering the outcome, it was MORE than worth it!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you very much for the kind words. I'm happy that this worked for you 👍 😀 thanks again
I came here from @OverkillSimulations channel. Great content and I will certainly be using your tips here later when I am able to flight sim. Thanks much for the effort you put forth in this video and the time you took to do the work for everyone! Cheers!
Thanks so.much for the comment 😀 let me know how it works for you
@@2020fsers So I went through both of your videos and I feel that I should've stopped after this one and checked the fps before adjusting my gpu settings (your other tutorial). That said, I'm going to have to go back and reset my settings as I'm getting 60+ fps while flying in the Alaskan bush but that said, the natural beauty is now very cartoon-ish and awful. Then while flying at JFK it dropped way down to the high teens and was pixelated in areas. So I'll have to take some time and go back through the settings in both the sim and gpu. I'm using a lowly Nvidia 1070, btw. Thanks again for these great tutorials, I'll let you know more after making adjustments.
Yes you don't want to make to many changes at 1 time this way you will know what is doing what .
@@2020fsers actually, it was nothing. My dumbass forgot to reset the monitor settings on my gpu after reinstalling the nvidia drivers. HA! Everything looks great now. Not seeing too much increase in fps but I did also sharpen the terrain and objects a bit within the game so I'm sure that's it. All looks great now also with the coloring. Its not as washed out looking as it was before and is a bit bluer now. Thanks so much for these tutorials. The next one will be organizing my addons. Thanks again for the work and effort you've put in here.
You very welcome and I am happy you got it figured out happy flying . 😊
Thank you so much, i now have proper graphics like i see all the time on other peoples stuff, hahaha, 3060 amd ryzen 7 3800x, 32 g ram, HUGE increase in everything!!!!!
Great thanks for the comment
I don’t have MFS but have tried this with both automobilista 2 and assetto corsa competizione and amazingly I can run both in 4k with my
Graphics card Nvidia GeForce Gtx 1080 Ti card where previously it just wouldn’t be playable. Thank you for this.
Great to hear in had no idea it could be useful on other platforms. Thanks for posting.
Gotta say after trying so many different things to get my performance up to no avail this is the only thing that's worked for me...fantastic!
Glad it helped you thanks for the comment 😀
Awesome work. Added about 5fps in and around some of the detailed areas i fly in. Thanks so much.
Your welcome 🙏 thanks for the comment
11900k OC , 3060ti OC 32gb ram , 2k etc etc... I had 3 nvidia share , 1 web helper , 1 nvidia shadowplay helper , and 5 nvidia container lol i have to say i already had a pretty smooth experience with the sim but i saw your video and i wanted to try your stuff and i have to say you know your stuff buddy ! my sim run soooooooo smooth with the pmdg 737 wow thank you
Your very welcome my friend 😊 thanks for the comment 😀 I'm very happy this helped you .
Did you get rid of shadowplay? Used something instead? Or did you leave it unticked in the process
I've been using DDU for years. And it already gives you a safe reboot option and an option that disables windows to automatically update the video driver after the next reboot.
So you don't have to worry about internet connection if you check those options when you start DDU
All in all a great video
The rest of what you described, I just intend to try.
Thanks for the detailed explanations in both videos
Hey thanks for the comment I also saw those boxes to check but I don't like to rely completely on software so I do some things manually just to make sure all gets done I think I did check the no updates box but as a safe guard I still turn off internet . Thanks for the comment 😀 hope it helps you .
Sent over from ROADKILL..... lol good job man
Hey thanks 😊 great guy there .. glad you enjoyed the video .
I do VR... but mostly xplane....but getting my ROG STRIX 3080ti tomorrow! Can’t wIt to try it out with your settings. I can’t stand not being in VR so I mostly fly xplane. Thanks for your efforts. I’ll be watching tomorrow night after new video cars is installed!!!!
Hey that's always a great day with a new gpu. Let me know how it goes thanks for posting
Well, you do know that MSFS 2020 supports VR?
Yea but VR IN MS is awful. Even with a 3080ti. I am smooth as silk on ultra settings
I knew the gf experience was a bloat, streamlined installation makes a big difference, thanks!
Your welcome thanks for the comment .
I allready had very good Performance on my gtx 1080 but this just made it even crayzer, thank you Brother :)
Your welcome 🙏 I'm so happy this has worked for so many . 😊 thanks for posting .
Awesome!!! Worked like a charm. Thanks so much for this!!!
Very welcome thanks for the comment 😀
I type in ms config, open system settings, click boot and tick the box to boot in safe mode, loads quicker than your route, once in safe mode before doing anything else I go back to the same system settings and un tick boot in safe, then run DDU.
I've recently got a reverb G2, so I'm definitely going to try this, thanks for taking the time to show how to do it.
Hey thanks for the tip 😀 appreciate the comment
I am completely amazed by this. I’ve been so frustrated by my vr speed and graphics. I’ve now got nearly wide open graphics with 45 fps. Thank you so very much.
Also, I’m running an asus motherboard, RTI 3080, 32 4DR and the I7, so I had no idea that this was even possible.
Awesome thanks for the comment
Here from Overkill. Subscribed
Welcome aboard thanks for the sub
After both Videos...and upgrades...although my framerates did not improve...FS is MUCH smoother and better looking !!! Thank you SOOOO much.
Great to hear some users get an increase in frames and some don't but the common theme is smoothness I'm glad this helped you 😀 thanks for posting
I am running a 1080 with 7700k an 32 gig ram. I did half of what you said in one video, I went from bouncing between 12 and 26 fps to a solid 31. Thanks man I’m gonna keep going with these
Awesome 👌 thanks for posting this 😁
@@2020fsers happy to help. Btw I spent the entire night flying the FA18 in the new activities I am close to world top10 on th low fly missions
I've been trying to just rank in those challenges lol.
Sir, you Are a gentleman and a scholar in deed! My hat off to ya! Such a meticulous, detailed and easy to follow tutorial. Moreover, it truly yields results!! I said to myself upon venturing out on this journey with you: “I’m a bit skeptical but I trust this dude for some reasons!” I’m glad I did.
My deepest appreciation, sir!!
Thanks so much!
Bro you just made my day sooooo much better and for that you just earned a new sub! ❤❤❤
Awesome thanks for the sub 😀 gladnit helped you
I have followed each suggestion in this video as well as those suggested in the description. They have been a literal gamechanger. I'm running intel i5 processor with a GTX 3060 gpu. My Nvidia had 11 bloatware items, including Gforce. I only used the Gforce overlay for fps monitoring, and Steam provides this option anyway. I have extreeeemly smooth play with Ultra settings now. I'm able to fly through busy landscapes using more complex aircraft. My framerate has gone from 30-40 to 40-55. Both my Steam and MSFS2020 are running from a secondary SSD through a one-lane PCIe adaptor. I've been using the Google Maps mod and it is fantastic. I look forward to upgrading to Google Maps Pro. The mapping is even better. I will be joining The 2020 fs'ers group as soon as I can load my paypal. I'm a semi-retired old guy and I can tell you this: The second childhood is so much more fun than the first. Way better toys.
Hey thanks for the comment .. lol I agree way better toys now and also we can afford them. Not like being a kid and begging mom to buy me something lol. I'm happy the video helped you 😊
@@2020fsers Brother, you said it. I usually only visit mom on Mothers Day, when I make the climb into the attic and give her and that old rocking chair a good dusting.
I can't wait to try this! I have stutters in VR that I can't get rid of, I have tried everything, and this is on an i7 10700 with a 2080ti that scores over 15,000 in Time Spy, so it should be pretty good! Unfortunately my whole family has Covid at the moment, so I kind of feel like crap, so it may be a few days before I get to try it. I will let you know the outcome when I do!
Hey thanks for the comment 1 thing I can advise before you make changes is to mess with 1 thing at a time so if something happens you don't like you will know. Like make changes in the msfs first. Then maybe the nvidia panel test again then do the debloat and test again .hope this helps you
Wow...what a game changer. Thank you for sharing !
Great thank you for the comment
Many thanks. This video and the previous one has been superb. Keep up the good work.
very welcome thank you for the comment
i have 10 nvidia programs running also thanks for this video :) going through it so far hope it works :D
Hey thanks for the comment ... let me know how it goes I also just release a windows setup guide today
@@2020fsers ah wow thanks buddy will have a look :D
Your welcome
Thanks !! This truly helped a lot for my streams! Appreciate the video and a very thorough explanation!
Your welcome thanks for your comment 😊
I must say I didn't believe it but it works. FPS is smoother and about 10-20% higher for me. Also a stutter when panning quickly is almost gone which is amazing!
Great thank you for posting you results .
I really want to thank you so much for this I have a 2080 graphics card and run VR mostly what a difference this has made I was running in the 35 FPS and now I'm in the high 48 to 50 FPS
That's such great news thanks for posting your results 👍 😀.
Nice Warp Speed intro. Have a great day.
Hey thanks for the comment & you have a fabulous day as well !
Thank you so very much. I had 13 nvidias. I am happy now.
Glad this helped you thanks for posting
The animations (editing) is great 😁
Thank you 😊
Thank you for this information. I have the Nvida GeForce RTX-2070 GPU. While in the MSFS2020 window I get 25-35 FPS after following your instructions. I can live with that however every time I switch to another window (like supported MSFS2020 utilities, or the map, etc...the open flight simulator window goes to 15 FPS & stutters until I make it the active window. I didn't have this issue prior to the performance hack other than the lose of flight control inputs when the simulator is not the active window which is still the case. GeForce Game Ready Driver - Driver Version: 516.59 - Release Date: Tue Jun 28, 2022
Thanks for the comment make sure in your nvidia panel settings that the background app fps limit is set to off .
I had 10 Nvidia entries in Task Manager before using these suggestions. I now have 2 !!
My FPS in MSFS (Steam) has gone from 30 to 60 and the user experience is so much better !!! I just need to resolve some remaining head tracking issues with my TrackHat setup :-) [maybe one day I'll be able to afford VR]
FYI - I'm using a GeForce GTX 1080 on a PC with an i7-7700K @4.2Ghz and W10 64-bit.
Many thanks to 2020 Fs'ers !!
Hey that's great to hear thanks for posting this .
Great Job!, very THOROUGH and PROFESSIONAL. Wish I could find someone on here that can run through X-Plane 11 like you have with MSFS 2020. If you know of anyone, pass their sight my way. Thanks. Again, GREAT JOB
Thank you for the kind words. If I find anyone ill let you know 1 person I do like to watch is maverick he's awesome 👌
@@2020fsers Thank you Sir for the quick response. I subscribed to your channel even though I don't fly MSFS 2020. I bought it, and tried it, but was having so much trouble with it, I just finally uninstalled it. after watching some of your detailed videos, I might reinstall it and give it another try. Thanks Again
It really is great and I can help you with whatever you need . Also stop by the Facebook group their you can share pics and videos if you have issues . It's a great community of fellow simmers all willing to help out and no negativity . Unless a sim update lol just kidding 😂
If you use a 3rd party app to make your Graphic settings like Nvidia Inspector and you don't mind disabling your Nvidia Display Settings app, there is a much easier way to do this and it eliminates all the Nvidia Container sessions. All you need to do is run MSCONFIG and in the Services tab disable the "NVIDIA Display Containers" service. Reboot and you'll no longer have any NVIDIA Contain apps active which effectively disables all NVIDIA Apps except the driver, which you can modify with your 3rd party app (Like NVIDIA Inspector)
thanks for the comment . That may be a test that someone will have to do and see if you get the same results , great experiment . thanks for the input
@@2020fsers I'm actually running a system below specs (8GB (6.9GB usable) and a GFX1050 2GB) so I'm not the best to tell difference in FPS (I typically get in low 20's on the ground at a major airport, and 30FPS (Locked) in the air. What I can tell you it is much smoother with no where near the stuttering I was getting. In fact it also greatly reduced stuttering in my Train Sim 2. On one of my routes There are some locations where I would typically get a long stutter (5-10 sec+) now barely a micro stutter if at all!
That's great . Thanks for posting
This is... this is... just go ahead and do what this video says. It works.
Thank you very much.
Very welcome thanks for the comment
You’re a genius and a lifesaver
thank you for the comment glad it helped !
Amazing how much of a difference this made, thank you!
Very welcome 😀
Congrats for the video... though I'm an AMD person. 😢
Hey thanks darn sorry I didn't have anything for amd.
I had on my computer a total of 10 Nvidia programs. What an eye opener. I am now updating it with the new programs that you recommend. Looking forward to see what I can increase too.
Thanks for posting please let us know your results and your system specs thanks again 👍 😀
@@2020fsers Windows 10 64 Intel core I9-10850 3.6 GHZ 32 GB Ram RTX 3080
@@2020fsers Ok so Here are my Results. Followed the instructions to the T. At highly detailed airports and JFK I get around 23-28 after following the instructions. Flying through Heavy clouds went down to around 19-21 but they were thick! Overall it seems to run smoother even at the low frame rates. When I get up to cruising and the sky is clear I get 45-50 easy. I have all my settings on Ultra.
Ok great thanks for the info 1 thing that will help fps is turn the clouds to high and that will greatly improve fps if you have that set to ultra. Thanks again
Two things... First, you should really mention that users Nvidia settings will be reset at the beginning of this video, not the end. So, if people watching have spent hours (or months) fine-tuning them, they could go in and note them down or export them using the tool shown here: ua-cam.com/video/IV1LtBoSaW8/v-deo.html. Second, you really should mention how to update your drivers going foward. I imagine I can just check for new versions on the Nvidia drivers page, download them, and use the same tool to create an updated driver installer, but if there's some checkbox that would need to be checked, or some additional step necessary that may be overlooked, it would be good to know about that ahead of time. Otherwise, this is an excellent video! It was easy to follow and will hopefully give me some extra FPS when gaming in VR.
Thanks for the comment . For updates you repeat the same process. Yeah I forgot to mention about settings at the beginning however this process is kinda complex so I'm hoping that people watch it first before trying to follow but point taken we are all human and sometimes we forget.
@@2020fsers Not trying to criticize you. It's a good tutorial and will surely help many people optimize their video cards, myself included. The link to the other video will be incredibly useful for many people though. You may want to consider adding it to your description so people can see how to quickly back up their control panel settings (especially after my comment gets buried down further in the following months/years).
I appreciate an criticism as long as it's done properly which you did thank you.
Always good to remind people about doing this, I've been doing this for years. Thanks
Man I was missing a lot lol glad I made the move . Thanks for the comment
Does the same software keep working, or constantly having to hunt down updates. I hate all the waste they create to 'help' you. Help me by not bogging it down with garbage.
You have to download new drivers from.nvidia . That's all I would say you probably don't need to run ddu every time but it's a good idea . If you don't make sure you check clean or fresh install in the nvclean install program .
Thanks for the advice, I have had mixed results, I first done this on my 3090 desktop and 💯 see an improvement. After the success on the desktop I went on to do my 3080 laptop but the laptop see a substantial decrease in performance. Very bizarre. I will continue messing with the laptop and see if I can work out why 👍
Hey your welcome please let me know your findings on your laptop very interested.
Hey there, how does the laptop run in comparison to your desktop? I prefer a laptop configuration but wonder if I’m giving up loads of performance vs the desktop option? I have the i9 and 3070. Thanks for your help
Good work, very well explained
Thank you 😊
Gave this a try... got a 10% increase in FPS. At LAX in the stock C172, running a 10700 with 308012GB GPU & 32GB 3200DDR4, everything on ULTRA (minus waterwaves and trees on HIGH) with LOD at 200 no AI Traffic, I was pulling 35fps. After running through these steps, I'm at 39fps.
great to hear that thanks for the comment !
Great video. Insta-subbed!
Thank you very much . 😊
On further testing I'm getting about a 10 to 15% FPS increase (I'm continuing testing). I also watched the "BEST Graphics Settings For SIM 9 Update" video and performed the recommended NVIDIA & Sim Graphics Settings. Since I have an I7 processor I did try VSYNC setting off/on...did not seem to make a big difference, but this is the first time I've had anyone of the Graphics Performance videos suggest anything but VSYNC OFF. I've always found that TERRAIN LEVEL OF DETAIL seems to be the parameter that FPS is most sensitive to.
Thanks for the comment glad it worked for you . Always nice when you can tweak out a couple more fps .
Wow. Thanks Panjno.
Your welcome
@@2020fsers I was, of course, thanking Panjno, who published this debloat over 5 months ago.
I have no idea who you are talking about or why you would thank them on this video but ok... kinda rude
I guess I'm the only one who watch this video that saw absolutely zero improvement. I don't know if I did something wrong or it's just my system but unfortunately this did absolutely nothing for me. But thank you for taking the time to try to help us out very much appreciate it.
Thanks for the comment ... if you didn't have GeForce installed then this won't help much.
FYI manually removing AMD Radeon Adrenalin software and drivers, then use Guru3D to clean up, worked for me and my install of MSFS2020. Even after re-installing Adrenaline 21.5.2, with factory reset, increased my FPS and visual and I not seen any stuttering or micro scenary stuttering at the edge of the screen or in any side window. A big improvent on a low spec laptop, running a AMD R7 M360 GPU......Thank you for the tip!!!! 👍
Great thanks for the tip for amd users
No thank you 2020 fs'sers, my sim is running butter smooth on a mix low medium in game graphic settings. On a laptop's which 8yrs Old, utilising a bult-in Cpu, R7 m360 GPU.
So, If you 're a low/ mid range AMD GPU user and didn't reinstall at MSFS2020 at rel 8, then try reinstalling MSFS2020 at rel 9 with this driver reinstallation tip and I hope you thay you also get great results like me!!!°
This is definitely an intriguing video--learned something new I hadn't noticed (all the extra instances) or knew was out there before (Nvclean). My system showed about 6 instances of the driver running initially and had heard before that GeForce Experience was generally a parasite on one's system... so was excited to see how much boost I could get. I'm now down to the 2 instances like what you show in your video, but my frame rate has dropped about 5fps... granted I probably didn't do a great job of isolating the exact conditions (just same airport, and altitude with the drone camera); but perhaps with live weather, I had more clouds in the scene after using the Nvclean compiler? In any case, logically it seems one's system should perform better with less overhead running... So, thanks for the tip!
Hey your welcome also if you turned on raytracing in the config turn it back off and see if that gives you the 4 fps back.
@@2020fsers I had raytracing on both before and after--using same settings from your other video... but thanks for suggestion.
Sure thing just trying to think of anything that may help.
USB C driver will be if you want to output video over USB C (USB C to hdmi for example). Not needed on a PC, only laptop
Ok I knew pc didn't need it but i thought laptops do. Thanks for clarifying.
Wow… I’m just gonna play on my Series X. This is a little too much work considering console is just plug and play. Great video though and I’m sure I’ll eventually apply of this info to my PC.
Lol I know it's a lot when it comes to msfs on pc . Thanks for the comment 😀
I remember doing all those step following your guide and worked amazingly. Sorry I didn't say thanks before. I was wondering if it's still relevant for the 40th anniversary edition? And again, thank you so much. Fly safe.
Hey thank you 😊 yes this is still relevant for su 11 and most likely all updates .
I followed this nice step by step guide, absolutely no change in fps. My system is i7 10700k RTX3090, varjo aero. I already doubted that debloating Nvidia suite of software would cause a 30-40% gain in fps as it simply suggests that Nvidia people are working against their own interest. They invest so much in software optimization to get 10% increase in performance, it's just unbelievable that they add some utility softwares (like GeForce experience) that would eat up 30-40% of fps that easy. Nevertheless, i expected may be up to 5-10% fps increase if I cleared every other software than the driver, but No, nothing changed at all, and that makes perfect sense for me. Just felt that I wasted my time in a long unnecessary process. I appreciate every effort in this channel though. I am just warning everyone from overpromises as they can leave you disappointed. After all it may be just my system. I don't claim to know it all. Thanks for your efforts in all cases Mr 2020fs'er 😀
thanks for the comment .. if you already did not have the geforce installed then this may not have helped much for those that do it has made an improvement in pretty much everyones system. Im not sure why this did not impact you the same if you had geforce installed . Im not sure why nvidia would implement such a tool that would eat up so much performance.. thats above my paygrade lol. Anyway thanks for the comment and happy flying.
@@2020fsersI didn't check if there's a performance boost in PC as I fly VR only. But for VR it's exactly the same as before (i read fps from open XR toolkit overlay). I don't regret uninstalling GeForce experience though 😆
I learned that this tweak works only on PCs that are CPU & maybe RAM limited, won't help with GPU limited cases like myself.
It makes sense that the background processes are consuming CPU and not GPU, so you're mainly freeing your CPU for sim tasks only. If you were limited by CPU then you'll notice performance increase. If you were initially GPU limited, then the extra free CPU won't help. You're still limited by GPU. Generally high resolution displays (multiple monitors, VR.. ) are GPU intensive and normally fps would be GPU limited in this case.
Thanks for the info