This Is Why Your THALL Riffs Suck...
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Where are you located Andrew? Greetings from USA
Hey man would you happen to have tabs for this available for purchase somewhere? I’d like to learn this whole song.
So uhhh, WHAT'S THE TUNING?
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I love that thall has become its own genre separate from djent
It always felt different to me than djent but I'm no music major.
@@Kevin-uz6sv yeah same
it is
If djent is.progressive metalcore, then thall is prog deathcore
@@yellowsaurus4895 accurate
Djent is not a genre and what the guy up there⬆️⬆️ said is almost completely accurate to describe it
Every Aristides owner ever: “My eyes are up here big boi”
I guess I gotta try one because damn do they look ugly IMO.
@Hellrais3r How do I try a guitar or how do I find them ugly?
1- with my hands
2- with my eyes
@@starkiller34 stupid
@@starkiller34 I bet you play SG standards
@@33savage70 Ouhhhlala, looks like I got some lil brand simps triggered. Its fucking weird that someones opinion of something you like causes so much insecurity. I love RGs. I couldnt care less when someone points out they are just pointy strats.
Those inner bevels look ugly as fuck to me. Get over it boys.
The biggest flex is the double aristides
Vildhjarta / HLB are nearly impossible to replicate. The riffs on Masstaden are wormholes into another dimension
HLB= Humanitys Last Breath?
@@forevermarked5826 Yes
In general, i havent really heard any american or english band get close to the feel of the original thall from Scandinavia until Reflections latest singles.
Other bands have given us great takes on thall, dont get me wrong. Nadir from Black Tongue is a great album that I would call Thall, the idea of infusing the “foreign” feeling riffs, excessively low tuning, blackened chord progressions, making guitars sound like alien instruments from thall and combining it with the feel of funeral doom and the chromatic nature of their hardcore roots was a genius way to bring freshness to the formula, but anyone trying to get close to Vildhjartas and HLBs sound has always fallen short.
@@pietandersen6120 In short you are correct.
Since when is Nadir thall?
Vildhjarta has been slept on for so long. I remember finding them over 10 years ago when they released Omnislash. Slowly but surely they've been gaining traction everywhere.
All I know, their guitarist had a Blackmachine F8
Omnislash was Soo fucking good. I can't wait for their new album.
@@stevestevens1457 if I remember correctly, some of their earlier tones were made with a line 6 pod
@@Decoy_Catfish all of their tones are made with a pod xt
@@stevestevens1457 where did you see this ? they never used 8 strings as far as im concerned
That 24th fret bend gives what I like to call the “giant bee sound” meshuggah sounds a lot like that, and it’s scary lmao.
You're speaking Johnny's language here haha
@@BaenaCarcosa there’s no way meshuggah didn’t use “swarm” and “swarmer” as song names without realizing that their tones sound like giant bees 🐝 haha
ok, up until now, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT "Johnny" was just Andrew with a fake beard on. My mind is blown.
He is. He did some sick editing in this one.
If you look carefully you can see Andrew throw his voice when “Johnny” talks. Let’s blow this thing wide open
Notice how “Johnny” always wears long sleeves and Andrew wears short sleeves? The tattoos would be a dead giveaway lol.
*edit: corrected spelling on tattoos lol.
@@mattlombardi54 Interesting... the plot thickens
The reason those high fret low strings sound great is because of the same reason small gauges sound great. Thall is very opposite to djent. Djent is tight and compressed while thall is loose and phat. The more wobbly the note sounds the lower the note sounds in frequency. I think what Jonny is trying to say is that even though the notes are the same, the oscillation of the looser strings has wider and slower vibrations, giving it that heavy wobbly sound.
Step 1 for Thall : Have an 8 String
Me : Aight , im out
drop A on a 6 with a pitch shift
I use a 7 string tunes to drop e lol I think that’s enough to THALL hard lol
@@kenid0t damn....what string guage do you use for that?
@@vihaancmusic I've been using the stock gauges on my RGD71ALMS that I got a couple of days ago it may be a Lil floppy but it manages lol
heh, .74 gauge string (for F#/E) on a 26.5" scale doesnt feel great, and im having tuning instabilities, but it does the job I guess. Just Tune after every take you do, and intonate your guitar I guess
Johnny is the kind of musician i would be scared to play with because it seems like he just can kill it on every instrument
Basically haha, but I'd like to think it helps push me to try and be better
@@BaenaCarcosa POSITIVE
I also use 1/4 or 1/8 to write. 2/4 and 2/8 are also good for switching between 4/4 and 3/4 or triplet rhythms. Its easier to write by feel, without the restrictions of time signatures and measures
Honestly, I haven't been able to find very many good lesson/tutorial videos on how to thall, but this one is the bees knees. I love this. Thank you for this.
Thall.
That is all.
Technically, Daniel Bergstrom is the godfather of thall because he wrote all Masstaden. He also teached to Calle Thomer how to thall. Buster was and is a big fan from Vildhjarta and that's what HLB came from with his own style.
Thall
Buster is the drummer for Vildjharta
@@jg_yro5845 Also that
@@jg_yro5845 He hasn't been from the begining.
@@tomitomescu9983 I did not know that! I guess he is now tho 😂🤷🏼♂️
Currents has had a few nasty "thall like" riffs in a couple songs. Never really heard of thall before this video. Interesting stuff.
Vildhjarta - Måsstaden is the place to go if you like the riffs.
Same here dude... 🤘💀🤘
🖤
dada?
Wooo it’s mr wang
This is adorably wholesome.
Vildhjarta whole songs remind me of moments in ion dissonance breakdowns.. have always been infatuated with both bands... and car bomb
Petition for you guys to make this a full original track, so sick!🤘🔥🤘
24 fret more likely sounds a bit more dissonant because of micro intonation issues and making a high note with a thick string , which is more sensitivy to how you press the string goes a little bit sharp. Combining those aspects makes a more unique tonality
The primary reason is because of inharmonicy. Essentially, the overtones the string is making actually become more and more out of tune as the scale length to string thickness ratio decreases. The stiffer the vibrating medium, the more dissonant with itself it becomes.
if i went back to the 50's/ 60s and i could show them one album i would choose masstaden by vildhjarta and just watch it blow up
The thing that really can make or break your THALL riff is the drums.
#THALLlife
I clicked on this ready to see why my favorite metal style was being crapped on and it turned out to be an awesome video talking about how to write Thall. I loved that tune you guys put together. That sounded so cool and I actually didn't know why I liked Thall riffs so much but I'm starting to get a better grasp of what it really entails. Thanks!
The insight of the techniques from this vid just connected a lot of dots for me in my playing, thank you 🙏.
Nice job giving back to the community fellas. Killer riffing and tune. Thall.
Aaru Official are young masters of T H A L L. Highly recommended!
THALL Thursday made Aaru top tier for me
Also, Death Eater. They use 9 string guitars.
Thank you so much guys! 🙏🏻❤️
Can also recommend "Our Common Collapse"
Rlly good stuff no cap
Always great seeing the sauce boss in your videos
I'm so glad you guys made this, I've been having such a hard time dialing in this sound.
Finally an in-video commercial which supports the context. Thank you!
A huge part of getting this sound is gonna be in the guitar tone.
this was very informative thanks dudes!!!
This came out at the perfect time since I’m getting into a thall mood today
I feel car bomb deserve a mention too in regards to a lot of the pitch shifty stuff.
Honestly explained so well gentlemen
Love those aristides guitars!
Nice work guys
Damn you guys should make something with this, an EP or more....
Vildhjarta and HLB often have songs that change tunings during SECTIONS of said songs, so you need to use midi pitch shift in those cases, needlessly fiddly and techy, but jeeez, does it ever sound incredible
3:00 Around this part, the riff's sick. It isn't hard at all but with the right choice of notes and techniques, hence you'll get a killer riff.
This slaps hard I've been getting into vildhjarta alot and I'm a big metal fan and I never knew that there were so many sub genres I guess but this is amazing.
Wow, that sounds awesome!
This is sick! I’d change it to “beardall” just for this one. ❤️💀👍🏽
Djent and Thall are kind of like, dubstep meets guitar. Even tho it’s obviously not, they just remind me of eachother.
djent is guitar dubstep though
Dubstep has more interesting timbre, djent has more interesting rythm
I think thall is like if you mixed Polyrhthmic metal with this band I found called Lorn. It’s edm but somewhat different. Def check him out
Tearout and minatory dubstep are directly inspired by djent, thall and dissonant metalcore.
@@allcolorsareentombedinblack a lot of the old deathstep is inspired by deathcore too with many breakdowns, lots of overlaps in the inspirations tho
Just amazing the Aristide Carcosa guitar !! :D
Those gorgeous Aristides. God. DAMN. 🔥
[Laughs in Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal]
Seriously though, banging music & nice lesson! 🤘
Cool Nerv t-shirt!
Reflections 👍 the old playthroughs in the living room and so 😁👍 love it
Gotta love Johnny's 'DEATH / 죽음' Tee! Haha
Dude I love that shirt 🤘🤘🤘
Beautiful guitars
Thall time low and Thall out boy have mastered the dark arts of Thall riffage so theres no reason for anyone else to try.
Having time for a sip off the ole' bottle between every note for the bassist. Nice.
I love you guys and carcosa . Amazing band
thall, djent, and death combined together is the future
The Deathly THALLows:
The Elder 10-string
The Downtempo Stone
The Cloak of Djentability
Didn't Odeholm join Vildhjarta after they released Masstaden and their 2 EP's? HLB was started from the obsession of Vildhjarta, so how was he the godfather of Thall? I always considered Bergstrom was without question the "Thall Overlord".
Yeah, and Daniel and then Calle were making thall years before Buster. Buster wasn't even the first artist to replicate Vildhjarta's sound.
Hoo boy my studio is RIGHT around the corner. Can't wait to throw quality uploads 🦂
I want that yellow guitar!!!
Omg.. you guy like OCEANO & DGD? Im sold
This taught me a lot about the differences between thall and djent thank you
11:15 is straight from Vildhjartas Shadow
This is amazing.
I'm a bassist and I really love your music... You take about how important bass is... What tuning do I use???
I member when Legend came out with Circle of Friends, they did that bend at the head and I thought that would be the peak of it all. Little did I know.
So Thall is to djent as deathcore is to metalcore? or what Silent hill is to resident evil?
darker ambience and the ambience comes from the instruments as well as the background.
not necessarily heavier, but darker and moodier and ''greyer''
Honestly a very good analogy!
I love thissss!!!!
So thall is like the kid practicing random stuff at guitar center but u put drums and a professional mix behind it
Andrew great tone ! I’m planning to buy axe fx 3 ! Are you satisfied with Kali speakers for heavy sound ? Additionally which solid state power amp would you recommend me for a heavy tone ! Thanks 😊
Reflection Double drop D an octave further is isn't that far (we go to Triple drop C# so a full semitone below so we're more thall ;p) im just kidding (well i am about more thall than them, not about the tuning we have), this video helped me be more creative in writing 2 of our songs so thankyou boys! XD
Awesome! Can we get smore vids like this?
Also having his hand tattoo stare into your soul during the clean part makes it even creepier ! 😂
This track is insane! woooow!!
I know only 1 rule: More the RIFF annoys my pop friends, better is the RIFF.
* thalls aggressively *
Around 3:25-3:38 it sounded like Hostage by Chelsea Grin
I have never heard of this before wow.
Geeez I am literally shaking!!! Thanks sooo much for this video. I love this genre and you guys so fricking much!
That song is sick! Crazy bends. What are those guitars? I want one in my life.
The last section made realize how much the drums are doing the heavy lifting. If you want to write without drums, how... How do you do that? Do you even do that? Where do you start writing one of these things?
start with the drums. Especially if you want to add rythmic complexity
Andrew, what will it take from the community for you to do a part 2 with Johny? Even if it's essentially a repeat of this video with a different demo song would be so gnarly. There is so little thall tutorials out there. I keep rewatching this video desperately trying to understand and replicate. Come to find out i've been doing bends all wrong and had to relearn that. So this video has been so helpful for me overall.
Buster seems like the busiest and most talented guy in metal at the moment. He's so incredible!
Like some parts in this idea but Vildhjarta never or rarely plays in 4 cuz that makes it more cheesy and predictable. T H A L L
You forgot to mention that you have to be from Sweden in order to truly THALL
@13:53 HEAVY KORN vibes
All I remember is you had a THALL sticker on a black guitar very long ago on a video
And then 10 years without mentioning it until this video
I am amazed that you remember that haha
@@BaenaCarcosa of course, I remember it gave me an idea for mine
That song is SO sick
'This guy is going to talk about theory'
'Bend notes'
Right
Edit: 'tonality'
What did you use for the rhythm tone? It’s amazing
In that buster tide riff that they showed did he just strum or scrape the string during the dissonant higher sound?
Nathan explosion "BRUTAL"
I read "THALL" and thought of Bumblefoot, had to google it... Hahahaha
Sweet SEELE shirt
Cool of you to get the Epic Meal Time guy in your video
ok it's gonna have to grow on me .... are there any vocals ? Guess I'm old fashion but I love that lick 03:20 - 03:36 yours truly , Grandpa
3:20 reminds me of Depths album Endless \m/
10:36
I think Periphery does that too
That NERv shirt thoughhh
I love Aristides
Is the song in this video on spotify? Ive searched and i cant find it I NEED IT its so good lol
Mans is an Evangelion fan? Subbed.
I don't think I've seen someone pick like you do at 2:57 lol
For some reason I feel like it's very weak position for the wrist ?
Cool vid guys !
I find it comfortable for doing quicker chord strums. Not necessarily about the power of the strum but more the speed at which it’s played.
@@johnnygotgrowls Hey I mean if it works it works ;) Thanks for answering !