Wes Borland is low-key so ridiculously influential to modern core music. His side band Black Light Burns was awesome before they went deep into ambient music.
I am today's year old learning that black light was Wes. I'm 37 years old finding this out though. I'm gonna have to cue that up now. This is a whole new perspective to listen from. Lol
@@ross7warren He even does the vocals, which are surprisingly good. Their first album was also made with help from and produced by people involved with NIN too, which makes a lot of sense with how it sounds.
Human hearing generally spans the range from 20hz to 20khz. E0 (which is one octave below a four string bass/two octaves below a six string guitar) has a fundamental frequency of 20.6hz making it the lowest note most people can hear the fundamental frequency. Anything lower and you’d only be able to hear the first overtone and above which has an interesting effect on the human ear. Our brains understand the order and relationships of the harmonic series. So when we hear super low notes where the fundamental is below our hearing threshold our brain sort of imagines the fundamental because it recognizes that there’s something off about what it’s hearing. It’s very strange but also very cool.
@@robertleahuAs stated before, it basically just adds/amplifies harmonics of the fundamental frequency which tricks your brain into "reconstructing" the fundamental note even if it isn't audible or there at all. That being said, the lower the tuning the worse it takes distortion because distortion doesn't work particularly well with sub heavy audio material..
In modern hip hop production, you often throw distortion (and EQ, etc) on your sub basses as well, so they are actually audible on phone speakers, for example.
@@KiraPlaysGuitar this is actually true for a lot of genres. In old metalcore tracks with 808 drops you’d distort the 808s for the same reason. And if you consider how modern bass guitar is processed you compress the low end and distort the mid/top.
Thank you all for watching! I’ve never done a video in this style before so I’m very curious to see how it does. If you like low tuned bs listen to my band Carcosa 🤘
Meshuggah actually had their custom Nevborns being built but weren’t ready in time for the recording of nothing so they just tuned down their 7s and made it work! Great video and love the exploring new content 🤘🏻
@@meshugganator08 based off of that shape yea! Didn’t take long for Ibanez to step in and take care of their needs as they were already Ibanez sponsored
I recently went on a Limp Bizkit because I never heard the last two albums. I truly believe Otto,Wes and Rivers did a great job making these groovy sections.
John Otto might just be the most underrated drummer in music tbh. I think it’s either him or Chad Szeliga. He just does so much unique stuff to make the Bizkit sound like the Bizkit.
7:52 Andrew Hulshult's great! Prior to Doom Eternal, he made the soundtrack to an awesome indie FPS called Dusk which has some real bangers on it as well. The track Erebus Reaction sticks out to me as particularly badass.
another cool one is moodring, which is basically drop A#2 with a pitch shifter shifting it down to A#1. I think they use this on black wave@@BaenaCarcosa
Great to see admiral angry getting some reccognition. They are the lowest tuned band i know of, the went down to drop G#, which is crazy low, especially for the time. Even nowadays that is crazy. @@BaenaCarcosa
Also, Meshuggah used E0 on an 8 string guitar (but impressively without a pitch shifter) with Mind's Mirrors (it's so low that you could hear the guitar string vibrations).
I was just going to mention this song, the sound of it is sick, to me it sounds like a dragons breath. And the first note you hear in that song is the guitar being tuned down to that monstrosity of a tuning.
@@tfwnoyandere You can literally hear the E0 (20.6Hz) note in the afternote of the 8th string. Plus, I can tell that it is E0 by ear. Fredrik's wikipedia page also confirms that he used E0 on the lowest string on that song.
The Admiral Angry mention really made this feel like you did your digging for this one! Very obscure but well loved band in that space. Josh Travis is the man as well. Great video dude
Funny to see Admiral Angry mentioned, I've listened to them since that first album released, never knew about their weird tuning, I just thought it sounded gnarly - especially with those absolutely psychotic vocals.
@@Aquarian-t8p well no there were more members that member really was the band though. His name was daniel kraus, he was the lead vocalist and he wrote all of the songs for the band, and the rest of the band called him "The Admiral" for this very reason. He kinda carried. He unfortunately passed away at age 22 of cystic fibrosis
I don't care what anyone says these kinds of tunings just tickle something deep in my soul. Absolutely crushing the fabric of reality putting me back in touch with the vibrations of the void.
Slipknot is another band that used F# tuning during the mid to late 90s, in Scissors and early versions of Interloper when Anders was still the vocalist I believe.
@@cedestius1085 Sort of, the guitars were tuned basically to C# Standard, but the lowest string was tuned down an octave lower than the 5th string (F#, F#, B, E, G#, C#).
I originally had them mentioned in my video but it seems like they deleted all their guitar play throughs for some reason so I couldn’t provide source material so I ended up deleting that part
I think this is amazing video!!Darko US blew my mind when I heard UNMASKED since it is in Double Drop A# and it features Matt McDougal of Boundaries.I love Boundaries too.
Torche has a song called Charge of the Brown Recluse, where they tune to drop A, but not guitar drop A, BASS drop A. Saw them open up for Meshuggah, and it was a ground shaking note.
Røt uses 7 strings an octave lower from Drop A as well. Within the Ruins uses Drop F/Low C. Also, for shifting HLB goes down an octave from D# in parts of Earthless, I cant remember the song but I think they went an octave lower than C as well in Ashen. Lol Ridiculously amazing.
@alexandria6063 the Digitech Drop is your friend here. I got mine used on Reverb for like $180 USD. I can't go lower than G# on mine, it's only 26.5" scale length. It was honestly the sole reason I bought the Drop lol
Love to see Admiral Angry getting some love. They converted Cort Curbow 5 string basses into guitars and put EMG 707s in them, they also go down to octave G# on one song
Andrew!! You gotta check out Torche! Craziest guitar setups and lowest tunings I’ve ever heard. Genuinely insane stuff used in a really unique way. Songs to check out are Tarpit Carnivore, Infierno, Barrier Hammer. Also watcher their guitar rig videos!
Bump for Torche/Floor! Im convinced that none other than Meshuggah themselves invited Torche on tour (unfortunately their last tour) because they recognized that they would never tune lower than Torche’s “bomb string”
Absolutely love Black Tongue. Still one of the only bands in Deathcore that I know bring in Sludge and Doom Metal influences. The only other deathcore band that brings in sludge vibes I can think of would obviously be the Acacia strain who are very clearly influenced by Crowbar, hell, Kirk Windstein was even on one of their albums. Does anyone know of any other deathcore bands influenced by doom/sludge metal? Cuz that’s a kind of deathcore I REALLY need more of.
Sleep Token E1 and D#1 as you mentionned but also: C1 Ascensionism B0 Vore, Granite and High Water A0 Rain and The Apparition G#0 Take me back to Eden (only after the first chorus)
Within The Ruins started using a drop C 7 Strings for their "Phenomena" album and onward. "Almost Human" the second album made with that tuning is a Masterpiece
For SUPER low tunings, there was this band called ABSU. I don’t think they did much outside of a few demos but I remember reading that they used 9 strings tuned down to double drop F and the like. I remember seeing that the producer couldn’t figure out what frequencies were the bass and what was from a thunderstorm happening in the distance.
Double Drop Ab?!?!? In 2011?!?!? That’s fucking insane. Josh Travis was just coming out with Glass Cloud stuff around that time too using Double Drop A on a 9 string. Like literally the ONLY other artist I can think of that goes that low would be the band Anzu where they play in Double Drop Ab and it sounds NASTY good.
Actually a fun fact about The Abysmal Eye. While the song can be played and most probably recorded on a 8 string guitar in F Standard, it can be played on a 7 string guitar in Ab tuning. In fact, it is how they play it live recently.
Pretty great topic Andrew. This is a good direction to head with the channel. Not fully, but sprinkle in more videos like this. Informational/educational segments on what you love and know. Deep dives into deathcore bands and whatnot. As someone who usually stays out of the UBER BROOTAL genres except for a few bands, it would be great to learn something about areas of music I'm not familiar with.
Im really impressed by your knowlege of even older bands. These sounds of all bands you mentioned really caught me off guard the first time I heard low tunings. Good kick ass earth stomping nuke offs! And to your commentators on your channel for more good bands on my mix!
Thabk you for a great video, dude! Refreshed a lot of old bangers in my head. C# is Loathe comfort territory, too. ILIIAITE. Such a banger. D# must be Emmure (Russian Hotel Aftermath, you name it) Honorable mentions - 2020'isch metalcore breakdowns with pitchshifted octave low, like Crown The Empire - Dancing with the Dead, Memphis May Fire - Blood & Water.
Great video, man! Surprised you didn't mention Deftones more. Stef started 7 stings around 2003 I want to say. They've used different tunings almost every album. Self titled and SNW used G# standard and drop F#. Then they went standard F# and drop E with 8 strings for pretty much everything else. I believe "The Spell of Mathematics", from Ohms, is the only time Stef plays the 9th string on the 9 string. He has it in the "Ohms" music video, but only plays the 6th string and higher.
Way back in like 1994, Ministry recorded the song "Lava" on the album "Filth Pig" which featured what many people thought was a fuzzed out bass a half step down. It turns out that was a gu8tar tuned down to D# an octave below mormal.
The legend himself Dimebag Darrell went down to G on a couple of songs on the Great Southern Trendkill. I know it’s not that low compared to today’s standards but very impressive for 1996!!!
I know about this! I believe it was just for the final two songs on the album, Underground in America and Sandblasted Skin. I used to play guitar a lot more than I do now, and I remember looking up how to play Sandblasted Skin (one of my favorite Pantera songs) and saw that the tuning was something like GGCFAD, basically D standard but the low D string was dropped to G. Pretty weird, and definitely super low for the time. Another fun fact is that in the song Underground in America, Phil does what I think is the earliest “blegh” scream that I think I ever heard in metal (pretty late in the song, before it starts to transition to Sandblasted Skin). Pretty ahead of its time, that album. I love it
Hey Admiral Angry getting some love. Should used “Blow Down” as the reference track. That whole album “Buster” is the most raw, aggressively heavy thing I’ve ever heard. I made friends with the guitarist/song writer that passed. Can confirm they were 5 string basses converted to 7 strings. SR’s I believe. Saw them live too. It was crazy.
If you like that album, you should check out a band called No One Knows What The Dead Think. Their vocalist was also in the band Discordance Axis, which is similar in style.
Sleep Token use their Baritones digitally detuned down to B for Vore and Granite. I think they also use it for Take Me Back To Eden live too?? But yeah they also use that tuning
Sleep token's Granite, with 50 million listens on Spotify, is played on a low B btw (even though 80% of the song is trap and you hear the low B only at the end)
@andrew Baena. Please check out Sikth. They were big early 2000's and around the same time as Meshuggah was starting its lower tunings. Sikth did some cool stuff with the last two strings, creating an octave across the two.
Gohma - Here to Stay cover by Korn or From Stone 2013 version are in a drop double D on guitar, the bass was strung up with giant custom piano strings from the internet, and the guitars used Bass Strings on the low note strings. I was on a mission to see how low is TOO low, and i have a bassist background knowing that the bass guitar was the most limiting factor in the game of djent limbo. Most of the songs i wrote in this band was in G# , and later on i found the bass solution with the giant piano strings so i experimented with a few fun songs that we did play live and it was totally sick !!! But overall, i like G# right now, i might go a little lower if my equipment can handle it, i just settled on g# because to me, it sounded more distinguishable from the 1 and 0 note on both guitar, AND the bass with the guitars i had at the time. I refuse to use the same octave note on the bass and guitar just to be lower for the sake of being lower! The bass needs that si k low sub bass likie After The Burial! My hint is use a distortion or overdrive of some kind to help boost those crazy low bass notes. We also slapped the bass on every note possible. So i feel like our research reall punched the limits to the ringers We need songs to work, and reach far. Right? And We need to register in a sick way!! I plan on getting a 9 string soon and revive Ghoma, i kind of want to do songs a little lower than g# and songs lower than my drop double Ds I also used a tuning of my own on a 6 string for years , move ALL the strings up a saddle, then load a bass string in place of a the E slot that you like the feel and sound of. I had double octaves going on based on a drop B tuning, so you had double G#s and Double Bs, like the Old School veil of Maya tuning but with a bonus low G# string where the E string should be, but then your solos need to sound cooler now with the highest E string missing. Its a ton of fun figuring out different chords with this tuning though! Im ready to get back at it in the lab. I feel the creative juices flowing strong right now!
What about the whole Obsidian album from Northlane for D#? The tuning they use was D#-G#-D#-G#-C#-F-A#. They're basically the entire reason I'm interested in tuning that low, other than Meshuggah. Also, could have thrown Northlane in for the F section, since I think most of their album Alien was in the tuning F-A#-F-A#-D#-G-C.
Obsidian is a mix between D and E, alien was a mix between D# and F with one of them being in D. Sleepless was in drop C but drops an octave in the song as well
I don't think they actually tune that low. They're usually tuned to Drop-F or their "Open-F" tuning, these days (F A# F A# D# G C), and anything lower is done through pitch-shifting.
Patreon early access crew! 🤘😄 This was a cool video Andrew, you should definitely do more of them! Another note, my personal introduction to low 8-string tunings was a couple of Korn songs from their album "The Path of Totality." They used 8-string E Standard there. They haven't used 8-strings too often, but songs include: "Haze" "Illuminati" "Way Too Far" There may be others I'm forgetting at the moment.
What does tuning have to do with whether it’s metal or heavy? I could tune to drop A and write a pop song in that tuning. Some of the nastiest metal ever set to record is in E standard or Eflat.
a lot of "heavener" by invent animate is tuned in drop D# on a 7 string which i find a bit odd but it still sounds great, makes me wanna get super thick strings lol
ahh ok that makes a lot of sense what scale length are you rocking rn? i just have the sterling jp70 and i rly wanna have it sound good when i tune down@@IDONTEXIST_6
I one time did a 6 string baritone in DADFAE and -2 octaves on a whammy for a bit on Tiktok. I guess I need to make a full song with that to get on here🗣‼
Fun Fact. The Abysmal Eye is played on 7 strings in drop G#!!! If you watch them play it during their bloodstock performance you can see Fredrik and Mårten playing Ibanez 7 strings and if you listen closely the whole song it never goes below that G#
Awesome stuff,brother!!! I LOVED watching this, as it has been a huge question for me and a quest that I've been trying to fulfill since I started listening to After The Burial when Wolves Within came out... (also Within The ruins is the reason my 7 string is full time tuned to drop G#😂). Give us more!!!
It's interesting to find out what the tunings of some of these songs are. For my album Follow by August Silhouette, I tuned to DGDGCFAD. I was mostly playing the 8 string like a 7 string in dropped G and throwing in the lower notes when I needed them. For the next 8 string project I'm working on though, I'm in DADGCFAD, and now I'm playing it like a drop tuned 8 string. It's a brutal tuning, and it's easy to accompany with a 4 string bass. Just drop 1 or 2 of the strings, duplicate the track, and drop one by an octave. The higher octave gets the high passed distorted treatment, and the lower octave gets the low passed sub treatment. The lowest I've gone in a recording is like dropped C, and it was for a metal cover of an electronic song. It's a bit too low for my 8 string to handle. XD Cool deep dive on tunings!
Watching this video with my Harley Benton Amarok 6-string baritone tuned to drop F lmao. I had to use an 8-string pack for that. I'm considering switching to a 7-string however, I'm missing that upper registre. Also for an example of a band that physically tuned to G#0 (or G0, I'm not sure), there's Spiritbox on Rotoscope, though Mike famously uses pitchshifting all the time when playing live, he does physically tune down when recording.
Have you guys ever heard of this instrument called a bass? I just learned about it. You can get one in double drop B out of the factory. It's insane! So freakin metal.
Heaviest sound I've ever heard a guitar make bar none was just me drop tuning my 5 string Cort to A and plugging that into my Randal 100W. BOOOOMHHWWHHMM. That's when I knew for sure that basses had won the tuning war. I don't know much about bass gear or tones, but basses take to guitar amps really well IMO. Thinking about double tracking bass through an amp sim when I finally record stuff
One that has been absolutely low/heavy to my ears is “Like Love” by The Amity Affliction. Now, yes, it is pitch shifted to Double Drop C on a 6 strong but the sound man… I’ve probably played it a couple hundred times since it came out. At 2:09 would be the breakdown and it does not disappoint!
Sleep Token used some lower tunings here and there, like in "High Water" and "Vore" (Double drop B), "Rain" (Double drop A) and Take Me Back To Eden (Double drop G#)
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FUCK YEAHH CARCOSAAA
you guys make some amazing music
theres shame but its tuned so low that we cant hear it
it shouldnt be shameless. thats pathetic. def never checking you out
@@itisinicktshut up he has a great band
Yes please do more documentary/informational videos!
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Wes Borland is low-key so ridiculously influential to modern core music. His side band Black Light Burns was awesome before they went deep into ambient music.
hehe, 'low-key'
I am today's year old learning that black light was Wes.
I'm 37 years old finding this out though. I'm gonna have to cue that up now. This is a whole new perspective to listen from. Lol
@@ross7warren He even does the vocals, which are surprisingly good. Their first album was also made with help from and produced by people involved with NIN too, which makes a lot of sense with how it sounds.
@@shinokugt 100% relistening. Lol
I really liked the black light burns first album and never heard anything else they did. Definitely and interesting album!
Human hearing generally spans the range from 20hz to 20khz. E0 (which is one octave below a four string bass/two octaves below a six string guitar) has a fundamental frequency of 20.6hz making it the lowest note most people can hear the fundamental frequency. Anything lower and you’d only be able to hear the first overtone and above which has an interesting effect on the human ear. Our brains understand the order and relationships of the harmonic series. So when we hear super low notes where the fundamental is below our hearing threshold our brain sort of imagines the fundamental because it recognizes that there’s something off about what it’s hearing. It’s very strange but also very cool.
That is why distortion works so well with low tunning. Distortion compresses the signal, so even the low frequencies can be sort of "heard".
@@robertleahuAs stated before, it basically just adds/amplifies harmonics of the fundamental frequency which tricks your brain into "reconstructing" the fundamental note even if it isn't audible or there at all.
That being said, the lower the tuning the worse it takes distortion because distortion doesn't work particularly well with sub heavy audio material..
In modern hip hop production, you often throw distortion (and EQ, etc) on your sub basses as well, so they are actually audible on phone speakers, for example.
@@KiraPlaysGuitar this is actually true for a lot of genres. In old metalcore tracks with 808 drops you’d distort the 808s for the same reason. And if you consider how modern bass guitar is processed you compress the low end and distort the mid/top.
@@deadSalesman_GD Yeah absolutely, I was going to drop "hip hop" from that but yep.
808 goes BRRR
"So this is definitely when this list is going to start getting a little bit more obscure"
"Deftones"
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Portal and Sun o))) instantly come to mind.
Thank you all for watching! I’ve never done a video in this style before so I’m very curious to see how it does. If you like low tuned bs listen to my band Carcosa 🤘
It's pretty sweet, my guy! Love your content brotha
@@Insignia27 10:28 I talk about it
Idk deftones were some of the earliest 8 string users, and even did drop E withkoi in 2012, i am glad they made it for spell of mathematics though.
What’s the heaviest band: Carcosa
my bad@@BaenaCarcosa
Meshuggah actually had their custom Nevborns being built but weren’t ready in time for the recording of nothing so they just tuned down their 7s and made it work! Great video and love the exploring new content 🤘🏻
Sleipner xl I think?
@@meshugganator08 based off of that shape yea! Didn’t take long for Ibanez to step in and take care of their needs as they were already Ibanez sponsored
@@meshugganator08I thought you were talking about something entirely different
isnt that the reason for the re-release? I heard someone say they re-recorded the album with the 8 strings and sold both versions of the album
Sleep Token's "Take Me Back To Eden" was tuned to Double Drop G# as well. Most of their songs are in Double Drop D#.
I recently went on a Limp Bizkit because I never heard the last two albums. I truly believe Otto,Wes and Rivers did a great job making these groovy sections.
John Otto might just be the most underrated drummer in music tbh. I think it’s either him or Chad Szeliga. He just does so much unique stuff to make the Bizkit sound like the Bizkit.
7:52 Andrew Hulshult's great! Prior to Doom Eternal, he made the soundtrack to an awesome indie FPS called Dusk which has some real bangers on it as well. The track Erebus Reaction sticks out to me as particularly badass.
Dusk OST definitely also slaps
Hulshult is an astounding composer, Civvie 11 shined a spotlight on him for a lot of people.
another cool one is moodring, which is basically drop A#2 with a pitch shifter shifting it down to A#1. I think they use this on black wave@@BaenaCarcosa
Great to see admiral angry getting some reccognition. They are the lowest tuned band i know of, the went down to drop G#, which is crazy low, especially for the time. Even nowadays that is crazy. @@BaenaCarcosa
Andromida is a solo artist, who also uses extreme low tunings and makes them sound very melodic.
I love that guy!
listening to them right now
One of my faves! He is a awesome
Also, Meshuggah used E0 on an 8 string guitar (but impressively without a pitch shifter) with Mind's Mirrors (it's so low that you could hear the guitar string vibrations).
I was just going to mention this song, the sound of it is sick, to me it sounds like a dragons breath. And the first note you hear in that song is the guitar being tuned down to that monstrosity of a tuning.
has anyone actually checked this or just parroting something someone says
@@tfwnoyandere You can literally hear the E0 (20.6Hz) note in the afternote of the 8th string. Plus, I can tell that it is E0 by ear.
Fredrik's wikipedia page also confirms that he used E0 on the lowest string on that song.
I mean, I can't really say that it's a "tuning" in that case - rather an ambiance, played on guitar
Drop D# is also used by ERRA and Invent Animate
And Sleep Token! The also use double drop B.
Josh Travis used double drop A on a 9 string on the perfect war forever EP
ERRA mentioned
When did ERRA use Drop D#? I know they went from drop A# to drop F# but not sure about D# unless it was just a type
@@AdrianG28 a good handful of their new songs are in drop D#
The Admiral Angry mention really made this feel like you did your digging for this one! Very obscure but well loved band in that space. Josh Travis is the man as well. Great video dude
No doubt. Buster is top tier.
@@collinqs2541 for sure. also doub;e drop g# i am almost positive, I learned some of their song on guitar by ear and forums say that, so...
Funny to see Admiral Angry mentioned, I've listened to them since that first album released, never knew about their weird tuning, I just thought it sounded gnarly - especially with those absolutely psychotic vocals.
The sole member of that band died after releasing Buster.
@@Aquarian-t8p well no there were more members that member really was the band though. His name was daniel kraus, he was the lead vocalist and he wrote all of the songs for the band, and the rest of the band called him "The Admiral" for this very reason. He kinda carried. He unfortunately passed away at age 22 of cystic fibrosis
I don't care what anyone says these kinds of tunings just tickle something deep in my soul. Absolutely crushing the fabric of reality putting me back in touch with the vibrations of the void.
Not liking because of the 69, but yes I 100% agree
scientifically there are no vibrations in a void or it would not be a void, technically... that being said... I get it.
Nobody knows, have you personally experienced said void?
I have, Black Sabbath taught me how.
Buy a harp, tune it real lowwwwww and plug it into your distortion pedal, or a six string bass, yeah there ya go.
Torche and Floor use "drop Z" sometime referred to as "bomb tuning". Check out the track Scimitar
Charge of The Brown Recluse has some nutty bomb drops as well
Two bands that rarely get brought up when talking about drop tuning. These comments made my day🔥
sorry but those bands have riffs so he cant mention those bands in this video
I fucking love admiral angry. So glad to see them in here. I’ve always wondered their tuning!
Slipknot is another band that used F# tuning during the mid to late 90s, in Scissors and early versions of Interloper when Anders was still the vocalist I believe.
No way :0
i think they did drop F#
@@cedestius1085 Sort of, the guitars were tuned basically to C# Standard, but the lowest string was tuned down an octave lower than the 5th string (F#, F#, B, E, G#, C#).
In which song they featured that tuning????@@MT_800
@@samuraiyue Scissors and earlier versions of Interloper (Demo).
Coma cluster void also used 10 strings... old memories 🥲
I originally had them mentioned in my video but it seems like they deleted all their guitar play throughs for some reason so I couldn’t provide source material so I ended up deleting that part
I think this is amazing video!!Darko US blew my mind when I heard UNMASKED since it is in Double Drop A# and it features Matt McDougal of Boundaries.I love Boundaries too.
Felt like as the video progressed we were going to get so low it'd go beyond what humans can hear haha.
Did not expect to see you here Kevin 🗿
Torche has a song called Charge of the Brown Recluse, where they tune to drop A, but not guitar drop A, BASS drop A. Saw them open up for Meshuggah, and it was a ground shaking note.
Røt uses 7 strings an octave lower from Drop A as well. Within the Ruins uses Drop F/Low C. Also, for shifting HLB goes down an octave from D# in parts of Earthless, I cant remember the song but I think they went an octave lower than C as well in Ashen. Lol Ridiculously amazing.
Finally some RØT recognition, I think the new stuff is in g#
Røt deserves more love and attention. Such an a underrated band. Love, them!
@alexandria6063 the Digitech Drop is your friend here. I got mine used on Reverb for like $180 USD. I can't go lower than G# on mine, it's only 26.5" scale length. It was honestly the sole reason I bought the Drop lol
@@visualdistortion5267 I thought most deathcore-dudes knew of Røt, but then I realized The Lowest Point of Hell has 27k streams on Spotify.
Love this format of video and all the shout outs to Justin Lowe. That Ibanez video is still legendary to this day. Thanks for the content!
Love to see Admiral Angry getting some love. They converted Cort Curbow 5 string basses into guitars and put EMG 707s in them, they also go down to octave G# on one song
Andrew!! You gotta check out Torche! Craziest guitar setups and lowest tunings I’ve ever heard. Genuinely insane stuff used in a really unique way. Songs to check out are Tarpit Carnivore, Infierno, Barrier Hammer. Also watcher their guitar rig videos!
Bump for Torche/Floor! Im convinced that none other than Meshuggah themselves invited Torche on tour (unfortunately their last tour) because they recognized that they would never tune lower than Torche’s “bomb string”
Absolutely love Black Tongue. Still one of the only bands in Deathcore that I know bring in Sludge and Doom Metal influences. The only other deathcore band that brings in sludge vibes I can think of would obviously be the Acacia strain who are very clearly influenced by Crowbar, hell, Kirk Windstein was even on one of their albums. Does anyone know of any other deathcore bands influenced by doom/sludge metal? Cuz that’s a kind of deathcore I REALLY need more of.
humanity's last breath is sick
You might like Primitive Man
Black Sheep Wall on the first 3 albums
@@__zzz___ Wait really? I know that band, and I know they often get called Thall, but I never knew they had doom or sludge metal influences.
@@themightymcb7310 Oh yeah those guys are sick.
Def cool concept. Maybe some other variations focused on “origins” of the 7-String, 8-String etc etc
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Sleep Token E1 and D#1 as you mentionned but also:
C1 Ascensionism
B0 Vore, Granite and High Water
A0 Rain and The Apparition
G#0 Take me back to Eden (only after the first chorus)
Me expecting to receive my 8 string guitar next month believing that most of their songs could be played on a Drop E tuning xDDDD
@@samuraiyue dependin on the scale lenght and gauge you used you can try to tune down, i think a 27 inch scale could easily tune down to C1
I think is 26, I think I have to use a whammy bar or something haha @@jayxofofficial
You should check out Admiral Angry - Buster. I definitely think you'd be into it.
Ha, I spoke too soon. Glad to hear them mentioned here!
Within The Ruins started using a drop C 7 Strings for their "Phenomena" album and onward. "Almost Human" the second album made with that tuning is a Masterpiece
Almost Human is one of my top 5 albums it’s just so damn good
im so glad someone said within the ruins, that was one of the first incredibly low tuned bands i ever heard barring after the burial
Pantera used Drop D, Drop C 6 string… some Drop F and C sharp on Vulgar - RTS then EVERYONE did.
@@sprinkleddonuts6094 When someone says Drop C/D as being low these days, they mean an entire octave below the tuning you're referencing.
@@giantenemybird2687 when someone says using whatever drop tuning, pantera did it first.
The ‘Nothing’ re release by meshuggah is such a dope album when they swapped to 8 strings. Perpetual black second hits hard as hell.
They actually had their eight strings when the original nothing came out but they weren't holding tune very well.
I was going to comment that “Vore” by Sleep Token is in Double Drop B but I just learned that “Rain” is in Double Drop A. That’s crazy stuff.
Love Fractalize! Also was just listening to Glasscloud the other day. Wish they never broke up
For SUPER low tunings, there was this band called ABSU. I don’t think they did much outside of a few demos but I remember reading that they used 9 strings tuned down to double drop F and the like.
I remember seeing that the producer couldn’t figure out what frequencies were the bass and what was from a thunderstorm happening in the distance.
Anzu you mean?
17:06 Meshuggah actually also achieved the low A in 2002.. on Spasm, for the part after the solo, they dropped the Bb down to an A
What about SUNN O))? I'm not sure about the pitch shifting or the actual note OR if what they do is even musical, haha. But still
Big ups for the Admiral Angry shoutout. They were tuning mad low before a lot of bands.
Double Drop Ab?!?!? In 2011?!?!?
That’s fucking insane.
Josh Travis was just coming out with Glass Cloud stuff around that time too using Double Drop A on a 9 string.
Like literally the ONLY other artist I can think of that goes that low would be the band Anzu where they play in Double Drop Ab and it sounds NASTY good.
Absolutely loved this video Andrew. Would love to see more content like this.
Actually a fun fact about The Abysmal Eye. While the song can be played and most probably recorded on a 8 string guitar in F Standard, it can be played on a 7 string guitar in Ab tuning. In fact, it is how they play it live recently.
This was great style of video to do! Loved it.
Would love to see the history of low growls in metal and its sub genres.
Starlight is an incredible song and deserves more love
Pretty great topic Andrew. This is a good direction to head with the channel. Not fully, but sprinkle in more videos like this. Informational/educational segments on what you love and know. Deep dives into deathcore bands and whatnot. As someone who usually stays out of the UBER BROOTAL genres except for a few bands, it would be great to learn something about areas of music I'm not familiar with.
Wes Borland's 4 string was tuned to F# F# B E. He also used it on another song on the Significant Other album but I can't remember which one
He uses that for Nookie and Full Nelson, I believe.
And on Three Dollar Bill Ya'll on a song named stalemate
Such a cool video dude, many thanks for this
Darko US played their song called Praise The Sun in low G# tuning
Yessir, correct me if im wrong, but i think praise the sun is the lowest that darko us tuned down to
Im really impressed by your knowlege of even older bands. These sounds of all bands you mentioned really caught me off guard the first time I heard low tunings. Good kick ass earth stomping nuke offs! And to your commentators on your channel for more good bands on my mix!
Heck yeah, man! BABYMETAL's Starlight is my number one song! 🤘🔥
Love starlight as well. But I saw bxmxc live and that performance hit different xD
@@aKhemu i know right? BxMxC is just so out of this world.
@@recksmusic1487 there's nothing that unites more than a well played nine string riff xD
I'm a drummer who knows very little about guitar. This video taught me a lot. Keep doing these
This was so much fun to watch. Thanks a lot, Andrew! ✊🏼
Thabk you for a great video, dude! Refreshed a lot of old bangers in my head.
C# is Loathe comfort territory, too. ILIIAITE. Such a banger.
D# must be Emmure (Russian Hotel Aftermath, you name it)
Honorable mentions - 2020'isch metalcore breakdowns with pitchshifted octave low, like Crown The Empire - Dancing with the Dead, Memphis May Fire - Blood & Water.
For Eflat/Dsharp: I'm disappointed you didn't mention Carbonized by Northlane 😢
This was a fun new style of video from you, my guy. I'd definitely like to see more.
Great video, man! Surprised you didn't mention Deftones more. Stef started 7 stings around 2003 I want to say. They've used different tunings almost every album. Self titled and SNW used G# standard and drop F#. Then they went standard F# and drop E with 8 strings for pretty much everything else. I believe "The Spell of Mathematics", from Ohms, is the only time Stef plays the 9th string on the 9 string. He has it in the "Ohms" music video, but only plays the 6th string and higher.
From 2000 with White Pony, except he actually tuned it in a normal drop tuning with the highest string tuned to mirror the 2nd as a drone
Way back in like 1994, Ministry recorded the song "Lava" on the album "Filth Pig" which featured what many people thought was a fuzzed out bass a half step down. It turns out that was a gu8tar tuned down to D# an octave below mormal.
First heard Filth Pig on acid at a party in high school and it forever killed my ability to ever listen to it again. Still, amazing sound...
The legend himself Dimebag Darrell went down to G on a couple of songs on the Great Southern Trendkill. I know it’s not that low compared to today’s standards but very impressive for 1996!!!
I know about this! I believe it was just for the final two songs on the album, Underground in America and Sandblasted Skin. I used to play guitar a lot more than I do now, and I remember looking up how to play Sandblasted Skin (one of my favorite Pantera songs) and saw that the tuning was something like GGCFAD, basically D standard but the low D string was dropped to G. Pretty weird, and definitely super low for the time.
Another fun fact is that in the song Underground in America, Phil does what I think is the earliest “blegh” scream that I think I ever heard in metal (pretty late in the song, before it starts to transition to Sandblasted Skin). Pretty ahead of its time, that album. I love it
It’s a genuine classic album and Dime is truly missed!
I don’t usually watch your videos anymore but this made me wanna tune in the whole time
I want to point out that bad omens uses drop E on the song “Artificial Suicide” and sleep token uses double drop B for “Granite”
Super informational video. Thank you
Hey Admiral Angry getting some love. Should used “Blow Down” as the reference track.
That whole album “Buster” is the most raw, aggressively heavy thing I’ve ever heard.
I made friends with the guitarist/song writer that passed. Can confirm they were 5 string basses converted to 7 strings. SR’s I believe.
Saw them live too. It was crazy.
If you like that album, you should check out a band called No One Knows What The Dead Think. Their vocalist was also in the band Discordance Axis, which is similar in style.
I think their best song was Android but probably not as low tuned as some of the others. Incredibly groovy though.
@@the_panos android is definitely a stand out track for sure. can’t go wrong anywhere on the album in my opinion.
Sir, I was a fan of Carcosa and now I am a fan of your channel, the world needed that content. 😎
Once you reach drop A#0 on a 6 string then you’re considered a Tuning Legend
Sleep Token use their Baritones digitally detuned down to B for Vore and Granite. I think they also use it for Take Me Back To Eden live too?? But yeah they also use that tuning
Sleep token's Granite, with 50 million listens on Spotify, is played on a low B btw (even though 80% of the song is trap and you hear the low B only at the end)
Vore is in that tuning as well, i believe
@andrew Baena. Please check out Sikth. They were big early 2000's and around the same time as Meshuggah was starting its lower tunings. Sikth did some cool stuff with the last two strings, creating an octave across the two.
Some more stuff:
Beyond Creation tune to 8-string E standard.
Archspire tune to EAEADGBE.
Daath tunes to EAEADGBE (not DGCGCFAD as I expected)
I have a six string with the GDGCFa and think of it as 7string tuned one step down with the dropped G and just call it drop G
Gohma - Here to Stay cover by Korn or From Stone 2013 version are in a drop double D on guitar, the bass was strung up with giant custom piano strings from the internet, and the guitars used Bass Strings on the low note strings.
I was on a mission to see how low is TOO low, and i have a bassist background knowing that the bass guitar was the most limiting factor in the game of djent limbo.
Most of the songs i wrote in this band was in G# , and later on i found the bass solution with the giant piano strings so i experimented with a few fun songs that we did play live and it was totally sick !!!
But overall, i like G# right now, i might go a little lower if my equipment can handle it, i just settled on g# because to me, it sounded more distinguishable from the 1 and 0 note on both guitar, AND the bass with the guitars i had at the time. I refuse to use the same octave note on the bass and guitar just to be lower for the sake of being lower! The bass needs that si k low sub bass likie After The Burial! My hint is use a distortion or overdrive of some kind to help boost those crazy low bass notes. We also slapped the bass on every note possible. So i feel like our research reall punched the limits to the ringers
We need songs to work, and reach far. Right? And We need to register in a sick way!!
I plan on getting a 9 string soon and revive Ghoma, i kind of want to do songs a little lower than g# and songs lower than my drop double Ds
I also used a tuning of my own on a 6 string for years , move ALL the strings up a saddle, then load a bass string in place of a the E slot that you like the feel and sound of.
I had double octaves going on based on a drop B tuning, so you had double G#s and Double Bs, like the Old School veil of Maya tuning but with a bonus low G# string where the E string should be, but then your solos need to sound cooler now with the highest E string missing.
Its a ton of fun figuring out different chords with this tuning though! Im ready to get back at it in the lab. I feel the creative juices flowing strong right now!
What about the whole Obsidian album from Northlane for D#? The tuning they use was D#-G#-D#-G#-C#-F-A#. They're basically the entire reason I'm interested in tuning that low, other than Meshuggah. Also, could have thrown Northlane in for the F section, since I think most of their album Alien was in the tuning F-A#-F-A#-D#-G-C.
Obsidian is a mix between D and E, alien was a mix between D# and F with one of them being in D. Sleepless was in drop C but drops an octave in the song as well
I don't think they actually tune that low. They're usually tuned to Drop-F or their "Open-F" tuning, these days (F A# F A# D# G C), and anything lower is done through pitch-shifting.
THANK YOU for shouting out Admiral Angry. They’re fucking insane and I wish they still did music
Patreon early access crew! 🤘😄
This was a cool video Andrew, you should definitely do more of them!
Another note, my personal introduction to low 8-string tunings was a couple of Korn songs from their album "The Path of Totality." They used 8-string E Standard there.
They haven't used 8-strings too often, but songs include:
"Haze"
"Illuminati"
"Way Too Far"
There may be others I'm forgetting at the moment.
Oh that’s sick, I didn’t know KORN ever messed with 8 strings actually
Wait really?? I know Korn helped the 7 string get some popularity but damn that’s sick
I seem to remember there being a band called "Coma Cluster Void" who use 10 stringed guitars
I think Deftones used a standard 8 strong guitar tuning for Diamond Eyes.
Yep. Gb Standard.
Since Ohms though Steph has upgraded to a 9 string!
In nu-metal we can hear the weird F# tuning onto the "Scissors" from Slipknot self-titled album
I find it ironic how people say Babymetal arent real metal yet they tune lower than most heavy bands out there lol.
What does tuning have to do with whether it’s metal or heavy? I could tune to drop A and write a pop song in that tuning. Some of the nastiest metal ever set to record is in E standard or Eflat.
maybe you should take the hint and realize most "deathcore" is music for girls
@@collinqs2541yeah right
yes really enjoyed this style of video! please make more
a lot of "heavener" by invent animate is tuned in drop D# on a 7 string which i find a bit odd but it still sounds great, makes me wanna get super thick strings lol
Im in D# on my 7 string with 0.74 gauge. You don't need bridge cables, just a longer scale length!
ahh ok that makes a lot of sense what scale length are you rocking rn? i just have the sterling jp70 and i rly wanna have it sound good when i tune down@@IDONTEXIST_6
i searched for something like this, didn't even know your channel before. really well put together!
also, DOOOOOOOM 🤘
Slipknot also did a weird tuning around the same time as Bizkit. F# F# B E C# B#.
True! Forgot they did that for a song
@@BaenaCarcosaGreat video by the way! It was fun and informational
I one time did a 6 string baritone in DADFAE and -2 octaves on a whammy for a bit on Tiktok. I guess I need to make a full song with that to get on here🗣‼
Lowest pitch shift I've heard is Humanity's Last Breath is going down to triple drop B. Buster is a production wizard and it sounds amazing.
Here to see if Yob in A standard is included
Fun Fact. The Abysmal Eye is played on 7 strings in drop G#!!! If you watch them play it during their bloodstock performance you can see Fredrik and Mårten playing Ibanez 7 strings and if you listen closely the whole song it never goes below that G#
The tone on that performance was so good
Its really cool to hear this sort of content from a musician who plays the sort of music these tunings are used for. I'd love to see more of this!
Bongripper is in F standard on 6 string baritones as well. Miserable is such a crushing record.
The new one's fuckin heat too. As far as doom goes, Conan's in the F club too
Awesome stuff,brother!!! I LOVED watching this, as it has been a huge question for me and a quest that I've been trying to fulfill since I started listening to After The Burial when Wolves Within came out... (also Within The ruins is the reason my 7 string is full time tuned to drop G#😂). Give us more!!!
It's interesting to find out what the tunings of some of these songs are. For my album Follow by August Silhouette, I tuned to DGDGCFAD. I was mostly playing the 8 string like a 7 string in dropped G and throwing in the lower notes when I needed them. For the next 8 string project I'm working on though, I'm in DADGCFAD, and now I'm playing it like a drop tuned 8 string. It's a brutal tuning, and it's easy to accompany with a 4 string bass. Just drop 1 or 2 of the strings, duplicate the track, and drop one by an octave. The higher octave gets the high passed distorted treatment, and the lower octave gets the low passed sub treatment. The lowest I've gone in a recording is like dropped C, and it was for a metal cover of an electronic song. It's a bit too low for my 8 string to handle. XD
Cool deep dive on tunings!
Watching this video with my Harley Benton Amarok 6-string baritone tuned to drop F lmao. I had to use an 8-string pack for that. I'm considering switching to a 7-string however, I'm missing that upper registre.
Also for an example of a band that physically tuned to G#0 (or G0, I'm not sure), there's Spiritbox on Rotoscope, though Mike famously uses pitchshifting all the time when playing live, he does physically tune down when recording.
The answer is Darko. Darko is too low. Absolutely disgusting how heavy they sound.
They aren’t too low. They are perfect that way
Have you guys ever heard of this instrument called a bass? I just learned about it. You can get one in double drop B out of the factory. It's insane! So freakin metal.
Heaviest sound I've ever heard a guitar make bar none was just me drop tuning my 5 string Cort to A and plugging that into my Randal 100W. BOOOOMHHWWHHMM. That's when I knew for sure that basses had won the tuning war. I don't know much about bass gear or tones, but basses take to guitar amps really well IMO. Thinking about double tracking bass through an amp sim when I finally record stuff
16:42 Props for mentioning Fractalize.
One that has been absolutely low/heavy to my ears is “Like Love” by The Amity Affliction. Now, yes, it is pitch shifted to Double Drop C on a 6 strong but the sound man… I’ve probably played it a couple hundred times since it came out. At 2:09 would be the breakdown and it does not disappoint!
Sleep Token used some lower tunings here and there, like in "High Water" and "Vore" (Double drop B), "Rain" (Double drop A) and Take Me Back To Eden (Double drop G#)
I discovered low tuned music for myself in 2012 with molotov solution (drop F) and the koi no yokan album from deftones (drop E).
Dude i just found Carcosa through a spotify radio recently and you guys kick so much ass!
Informational! I love this type of video!
A great riff for pitched down back in the 90s was all in the family by korn. Head used the whammy to go double drop A I think.
I hope this blows up, this is prime content
double drop D best riff ever - 12 foot ninja one hand killing.
I discovered so many new stuff with your video. Thanks!