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The Lost Roster of Street Fighter II
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- Опубліковано 21 січ 2023
- In today's video, we will take a trip back to before 1991 to look at early pre-release concepts for Street Fighter 2.
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Star man was a Nintendo pro wrestling character. It would have been cool to have him as a Street Fighter.
No it wouldn't.
Isn't Starman now AKI man in WWE Revenge. Or THQ man
Yes everyone knows that.
His specials would be somersault kick and flying elbow.
Blanka vs the amazon
People don't understand what the hype was like walking into jam-packed, dark-lit arcade and seeing the crowd around this game. The sounds, the graphics, the music, and the fighters--it was like they discovered time travel and brought this back to prove it. Minds were shattered when someone performed a fireball.
Ikr. The smell of an arcade or bowling alley, hearing a bunch of coins fall through the change machine, and yeah the sounds and optics of the game were enchanting. I didn't even know how to do any of the special moves until I got it on console years later. THAT was surreal, bringing it home for the first time. And then when bosses became playable. Some of the best of all time gaming moments for sure.
Aw man I was there. And your comment touched my heart. I always tell younger players today that I wish I could share with them what street fighter mania felt like before the internet. How guys would just huddle around magazines and scrutinize all the screenshots. When we first heard of DJ, Fei Long, Cammy, and T Hawk. Everything felt so high stakes.
That was my life.
I would like to point out that "Balrog" is not a Spanish sounding word or name at all. "Vega" on the other hand is a very common surname used in Spain but also as the name of many towns and cities around the Spanish speaking world.
"Las Vegas" being one of the most famous examples of it. which means "The Meadows".
I always thought Vega sounded more Spanish, your description makes sense for him. Balrog is just a made-up name from Lord of the Rings, right?
Thanks. I was under the impression that only I thought Balrog sounded nothing like a Spanish name…. Glad to know I’m not alone.
On another note, I remember hearing that name (or a similar one) used as the name of the battleship in level 3 of Strider Hiryu.
Maybe he's from one of the regions of Spain, like say Catalonia (Barcelona) that has a different language than Spanish.
@@solenstyle Nah, Balrog doesn't sound Spanish or anything like any language spoken in Spain.
Vega is a legitimate Spanish surname, but i think the bullfighter being named Vega was by chance, and Capcom was thinking about the star Vega, not the surname Vega, because Vega was originally the 'dictator' fighter, who wasn't Spanish.
Vagabond
Baz Knight from Shovel Knight is an intentional and direct reference to the Bullfighter design here; it was a meme on the old Fighterpedia/Two Best Friends channels that he was an uber-powerful fighter named Zubaz, and Matt and Woolie of said channels donated enough to Shovel Knight's development to be directors for a day, and were allowed to design and implement Zubaz as a boss.
Can you fell the storm, IT'S COMING!!!
To say nothing of the Baz' other appearances in Divekick and Indivisible, which they also contributed to.
@@MrRuano825 And The Takeover, Slipstream, and supposedly Pocket Rumble.
representing the pedia
Zubaz was a brand from the time period. Baggy, colorful zebra print, sports team themed clothing.
This feels like a “civilization from thousands of years from now finds a meme and thinks it’s some big cultural landmark”
Dude saw a dude wearing a shirt and thought it was his whole character XD
Ironically the Road Warriors wrestling tag team were involved in the Zubaz company. At least, Animal was anyways.
(Sees thumbnail)
“Found someone, you have, I would say, hmmm?”
Shilke Muller was definitely influenced by a character in the manga Riki Oh named Narumi. He is one of the 4 emperors that's assigned with guarding the prisoners in the first chapters of the manga. There's even a panel found in the manga where he licks his knife.
"Cammy" like "camo", military lingo for "camouflage", is definitely better than "Sarah" ...
It’s very interesting to look at these early character designs of every Street Fighter,in which they later became the characters we known today.
Zubaz reminds me of the tag team powers of pain, crazy so much wrestling stuff. Tiger mask blew my mind along with Kamala in the artwork.
Bunbobos vest collar thing has big Charlie Nash energy. Lol
"Dick Jumpsey" may have led to Dudley, originally from Street Fighter 3. Jumpsey is a parody of Jack Dempsey, who is famous for the Dempsey Roll - a technique combining oblique punches for offense and very fast dodges for defense, and directly referenced by Dudley's Rolling Thunder super move. As an Ultra Combo in S/USF4, the Rolling Thunder's stylization of the Dempsey Roll even references its use in the famous boxing anime "Hajime no Ippo."
Zubaz appeared in Shovel Knight, Divekick and Indivisible due to Matt and Woolie of Fighterpedia, or more famously known Super Best Friends Play, kinda just adopting him and pushing him wherever they could.
I'm glad I've collected these Capcom books over the years to see how much care went into each character a d background! Thanks for the discussion! It's been really fun to revisit! Btw will you be covering the Darkstalkers concept art that didn't make it?
Where did you get the pic of chun-li for the thumb nail tho
8:12 Zubaz is a clothing company that was popular in the 90s, I used to have some pants by them as a kid with colorful zebraesque stripes
I had to look them up. We just called those Hammer pants or parachute pants if they were synthetic. Some kids would "french roll" their cuffs to get that look,too.
The opposite of JNCOs lol
Dude, you get the Road Warriors/ "Zubaz" reference, right?
A Winner is You!!
remember, Dudley was later added to the roster in SF3 as the 2nd boxer. and he is British. that luchador could have evolved into El Fuerte from SF4.
Great work and documentation !
I just love these prototype sketches as it shows the creative process behind a dev team.
Ill be honest TH.. clicked coz of the thumbnail
The mock-up that looks like a cross between kamala and a wild samoan at 6:47 :)
he knew what he was doing with that thumbnail picture
Would you rather click on Chun-Li or Chumley? lol
It would be nice to get a source for the art in the thumbnail
Exactly
This is awesome! Love this video 🤩🤩
I've missed your channel! So glad I found it again!😭
8:14 he’s in DiveKick
I once read that the concept art for Blanka was the inspiration for King Rasta in Saturday Night Slam Masters.
The luchador with the star mask would've been a good addition. His special moves would sometimes involve bouncing off or holding the wall/edge of the screen.
Funny you say Balrog is a Spanish sounding name. Wheras Vega is actually a Spanish word and surname, meaning meadow or valley. Las Vegas = The Valleys.
How can you speak to what is funny when you can't even understand sarcasm?
There was a SF II art exhibit in Shibuya last year. Had tons of original concept and promo art. Most Zangief sketches had the Japanese word for Russia, while Blanka sketches said "Amazon." Additionally, E. Honda's sketches in this video simply say "Sumo."
It's good that Capcom replaced Anabebe with Blanka. Some might say that it would never have gone over in America...and that's certainly true today. Capcom definitely "future-proofed" the game. However, I actually admit that Kamala Harris (no, not that one...the original)...James "Kamala" Harris the wrestler was supposedly a "headhunter from Uganda" and was managed by a guy in a safari suit...AND he was one of my very favorite wrestlers back in the day!
I mean, they _are_ both managed by guys in suits, so... you're not wrong there.
Man! I'm glad I lost interest in pro wrestling in the late 80s! Because if I hadn't, I'm sure what you just described would have done me in! Head hunter managed by some safari guy🙄. Besides who needs pro wrestling when movies and video games had much better fights, even back then.
I recognize the thumbnail
i like the tumbnail
Top Hat, Vega is a real Spanish surname while Balrog isn't. So the modification of the bosses' names was well done.
Oh-oh Gen is truly outrageous
Truly truly truly outrageous
Balrog is actually a great name for a final boss.........
7:23 Bloody Hell Capcom, really!?!🙃
Some of this fighters are now in Art of Fighting or Fatal Fury, in some way. Big Bear is the most noticible.
On Mike vs Balrog/M. Bison, they were never the same character. Just look at the earliest versions of each character’s story. Boxer was always a money-grubbing fool from his inception, Mike was always motivated to only make money to save his sisters life from a disease she had. Also Mike was a former champion, Boxer officially never reached that level. Though Mike killed someone in the ring it’s unlikely that it was intentional, while Boxer wouldn’t care if he did or not.
What if Mike and Balrog/M. Bison (Japan) are like relatives that hate one another and Mike tried to stop Balrog from going down the path of evil, but Balrog offed his cousin?
Those honestly sound like Mike Tyson pre and post fighting career.
THIS IS CANNON VIA CAPCOM'S WEBSITE. NOT SURE HOW CUH MISSED THIS.
Dick Jumpsey would have been an interesting character to see in action If he was added in Street Fighter 2.
Damn, it’s been a while since the algorithm brought Richard’s voice in my feed. Neat surprise.
Ryu: Masutatsu Ōyama
Ken Masters: Joe Lewis but I’ve also heard Benny “The Jet” Urquidez who is a kickboxer (Ukidokan Kickboxing) and practitioner of Kenpo-Shotokan. Capcom Artist Akiman used Urquidez’s guest appearance in the manga “square jungle” as inspiration to draw Ken. (Both of these guys have also been rumored for the inspiration and design for SF1 character Joe)
Chun-Li: Akiman, the artist who created Chun-Li says she was inspired by Tao from 1983 anime movie Harmagedon: Genma Wars. He also says that it’s a fair assessment to say that she was also inspired by Capcom character Tong Pooh from the original (‘89) Strider game. She had the look first. Whether he admits it or not, I think some inspo came from Star aka Lang from Yie-Ar Kung Fu in 1985 (and Fan for some of her kicks). To attach a real person, I think martial arts movie star Angela Mao probably inspired the inspiration imo. She played a character named Tien Li-Chun in the 1975 movie Lady Whirlwind. (In the Art of Street Fighter interview, Nishitani [lead designer for SF2] says there was a real-life inspiration for Chun-Li’s name, but he does not name that specific person. “I was flipping through a Chinese martial arts magazine when I saw a person with a similar name. It was Chinese, and I had no idea how it was supposed to be pronounced, so I just guessed it to be “Chun-Li.” Then we simply picked out nice-looking kanji that would phonetically fit that name.”)
Guile: no real people but Jean-Pierre Polnareff with Stroheim’s Hair and military background (just American and not Nazi) from Jojo’s bizarre adventure. Schilke Müller that evolved into Guile looks to be based after Narumi from the manga Riki-Oh (‘88) he’s basically that character with black hair and a big Yakuza tattoo. (In the OVA they made him look like younger Toguro)
(JP) M.Bison
(US) Balrog: “Iron” Mike Tyson former undisputed heavyweight champion. Baddest man on the planet. Really popular throughout the 80’s and I believe he was making a comeback around this time.
(JP) Balrog
(US) Vega: no irl references i could find. Was originally a fully armored knight but got reworked into an updated Geki from SF1. Possibly a reference to DIO from Jojo’s bizarre adventure. I may be reaching but they share similar mask poses. The main inspiration is the nameless Asura from Fist Of The North Star (known to fans as sand spider). Same haircut, mask, ninja techniques, throwing stars, and even at one point holds his throwing knives between his fingers and they look like claws (but he throws them).
(JP) Vega
(US) M.Bison: Yasunori Kato from the novel Teito Monogatari (‘85) where you can see some artwork on the covers, but the live-action movie adaptation (Doomed Megalopolis) in ‘91 really gives you the dictator aesthetic. Also Capcom literally copying/tracing of General Washizaki from panels of the Manga/Anime Riki-Oh.
Cammy: no irl references, but Misty the assassin from the manga/anime wounded man. Gauntlets are ripped from anime/manga appleseed, and the main character is also a militaristic blonde, albiet with short hair. Most, if not all of her moves are from Gunm aka Battle Angle Alita. Maybe a little reference to hello Kitty. (btw, her best skin is the shadaloo version from SF4.)
Dee Jay: Billy Blanks. More specifically from his role The King of Kickboxers (‘90)
E.Honda: no irl inspirations outside of sumo guy. His trademark Kumadori style face paint is used in Kabuki theater. Specifically the play Shibaraku.
Sagat: Sagat Petchyindee even tho he’s like 2feet shorter. He was famous in Japan while fighting there and the only person named Sagat. After a long losing streak he thought he was cursed. He consulted some monks and worked on his technique and came back with a new move that helped him regain his championship belt and throne as king of Muay Thai….An uppercut!
T.Hawk: well his original name was Geronimo, so that might be it. I couldn’t really find anything on him outside of an alternate design with a Mohawk.
Fei Long: Jackie Chan. Duh!
Blanka: was generic beast man with electricity powers they put it together and it actually stuck . The Adebebe character that he was before and his handler might be might be a reference to the wrestler Kamala and his handler. The handler, in this case, is speculated to be a bullfighter dressed similarly to The Road Warriors of pro-wrestling fame. The Zubaz shirt he’s wearing is an American apparel brand that was marketed as comfortable shorts for weight lighting. The Road Warriors helped popularize the brand in the late 80’s and early 90’s. Woolie and Matt McMuscles, formerly of the Canadian-based Super Best Friends YT Chanel have deified the character, but (maybe purposely) mistook the Zubaz logo on the shirt as the character’s name. So Zubaz or colloquially referred to as just “The Baz” Is absolutely a reference to the character here. He’s been a guest in Dive Kick, Shovel Knight, Kaiju Combat, Indivisible, Slipstream, The Takeover, Petal Crash, Devil Engine and maybe some others.
Dhalsim: Lead designer of Street Fighter II, Akira Nishitani, stated in an interview that the concept of Dhalsim's ability to stretch his limbs comes from the "Zoom Punch" technique shown by Will Anthonio Zeppeli in the manga/anime JJBA. There is also reference to Yogi Tro Le Soung from 1976’s Master of The Flying Guillotine.
Zangief: Pro wrestler Victor Zangiev. Goda “The Bear Man” in fist of the North Star (who also inspired Uighur in FOTNS who remind me of Odin ), and a rumored Mr.T inspiration.
Also about T. Hawk:
As "Geronimo", he looked kinda similar to Elvis Presley in the concept art. They dropped the stereotypical look to make him bare more of a resemblance to Chief Bromden from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest because they are fans of the book and film, it makes sense because they're both tall, strong, and long-haired.
In Street Fighter: The Ultimate Battle (1994), they depicted T. Hawk as a Rambo-knockoff.
I'm beginning to think Street Fighter II is Top Hat's top game! Not my favorite, but an excellent pick nonetheless.
I used to think it was weird for a game called “The World Warriors”, Street Fighter 2 never included any characters from Australia or Africa, since a title like that would imply characters from around the world, or at least one from each continent. After this video, I’m now kind of glad they didn’t include an African character, at least not the one they planned 😬
Honda is from Uganda
Bob Sagat.
Princess Peach is the First Lady of gaming. Nice try though
Samus is the first lady of video games
He later specified "first lady of fighting games".
One of Vega/Balrog/Claw's early designs was that of a knight with a sword, which later developed into a claw which I imagine got merged with the bullfighter.
The interesting thing about that abandoned design is that it was used as a jumping off point to develop another Capcom game, Knights of the Round.
Please do videos on the 90s Street Fighter VR roller coaster, Street Fighter Mouse Generation & the Street Fighter whack a mole game
I wonder when Top Hat Gaming Man will dive into the White Wolf Street Fighter game?
El Robotico Giraffe del Fuego will have his revenge.
Gen is her mentor and was a friend to Chun-li's dad
Q. So who did the Nintendo game pro wrestling. The whole reason I watched this was the fact I saw Starman on the roster.
Zhi Li looked cuter and prettier than Chun Li
And she isn't crude like Chun-Li!
I'm guessing she's crude because of what she wears? (If I had to guess.)
I was never a fan of Sagat stage theme, but the 3do version makes it sound so much better. It's like the extra fidelity has a de-weirdifying effect on the melody.
How has no one brought up Super Best Friends when it comes to Zubaz? They are literally the reason that character exists in other games like Divekick and so on
Shilke licking his knife reminds me more of Cody in later SF iterations.
The star wrestler rinds me of El Fuerte
Also Dick Dumpley sounds a lot like D. Dumpley......Dudley
Hello! I have a few ideas on how I would re-purpose the 8 fighters from this lost roster from Street Fighter II for Street Fighter 6.
The Beastman character would have been a HUGE copyright claim from Masters of the Universe, but he looked pretty damn cool. He looks better than Blanka, but they are both good. It's great to learn the history of one of the best video game series ever. THE MORE YOU KNOW!
More like Discrimination Lawsuit. A Blk or Latin American with a chain around his neck with a Master. (They can't explain away that one)
If you don't mind me asking, where's the Chun LI art from the Thumbnail coming from? I'm curious as to what's causing that reaction.
Great. Now someone's going to do a hack of SS2 with the original concept characters.
Your thumbnail worked funny hat man
Ironically the Road Warriors (at least Animal anyways) were involved with the Zubaz clothing company for a while.
Tahir Meyer looks like he would give Capcom legal problems from Nintendo, looking like Starman from Pro Wrestling on the NES.
Thanks to Name Changes:
Sakura = S. Kasugano
Ken = K. Masters
Dan = D. Hibiki
Ryu = R. Hoshi
Sarah = Cammy = C. White
Ironically the Balrog to Vega change made him to gain a more Spanish name than before
Chun-Li: the first lady of videogames.
Samus Aran: ROFL.
THUMBNAIL!
Jesus.
I can only imagine how difficult game dev was back then.
I mean, it's complicated now, but there are so many tools and functions and premade assets that can churn out products with little ado.
Back then, they actually had to do things manually. Good grief.
I don't want to continue to live in a world without Dick Jumpsey. Bring the Dick to SF6, you Capcom cowards!
Dick Jumpsey evolved into Cody.
Also an American white guy who knows how to box.
Is it canon that Blanka is green? Yellow was always the default on all US versions of SFII I played.
Yes, it's canon.
Blanka is even shown to be green throughout the artwork before the game was ever released.
I wonder if Dick Jumpsey is the blond fighter in the original Street Fighter 2 intro?
Can somebody get me the source of that video of the space cop. @0:27
I beat Final Fight from the Capcom collection tonight , then played 3 hours of SF 5
Wouldn't Samus be the first lady of gaming?
Imagine if you got paid for coming up with character ideas for a fighting game. You know, what we all did for fun as kids (as well as level design and such).
Dick Jumpsy is the greatest name ever. 😂
This was awesome! Really liked this deep cut into Street Fighter's passed. Unbelievable. Wish there was a bit more done with these concepts like alternate costumes in later games.
I think Honda got the name Edmund only after the Van Damme movie and we never really know what the E in his name stands for originally.
I get the impression this guy has never even heard of the Super Best friends if he thinks Zubaz the character who cameos' in indie games has anything left to do with Street Fighter XD
Other missing characters include, Goho-Li, Pasta, Rober, Musashi, Bunny, Ranboo, Stalong, Moon, Conbon
Good 👍
I think Zhi Li Masaaki Kakuda and Zubas are the best designs Masaaki Kakuda is generic there but so is most Karate’s guys in fighting games
Hi enjoy the show some of those characters are very similar to the street fighter 2 tabletop rpg from White wolf im pretty sure the bull fighter is in it .
There’s some final looking concept art of Balrog out there, from back in the day, with ‘BISON’ clearly emblazoned on his embossed belt buckle. And M. Bison’s orig name ‘Vega’ was, as I understand it, after the star of Vega which is a reference to Yasunori Kato, whos occult powers are drawn from said star and his occult star branded gloves. Also I remember a weird regional version of sf2 from childhood in which Blanka was named Jimmy throughout... Dick Jumpsey 😂
Anabebe was so offensive, you gotta wonder if he was an office prank. It's like something you'd get if you gave a Klansman crayons. 😂😂💀
We need zubaz for SF6. I also want tiger mask and the knight that became vega.
I'm actually pretty surprised that no one proposed a ninja...
No way Mike and M. Bison aka Mike Bison aka Balrog have nothing to do with each other and are completely different and serperate characters in the SF universe. Capcom can say that until they're blue in the face but its extremely obvious that Balrog was either heavily inspired by Mike or is literally just him.
Vídeo muito interessante.
Guile's first name is Shilke
THUMBNAIL SOURCE?
Sounds like Blanka was originally a version of the WWF character Kamala.
Master of the flying guillotine is great
One day one of em will return.
Zubaz is definitely Baz in dive kick
“Spanish sounding Balrog”
Okamoto did the designs for it?
I want them to give Balrog his original name and sane goes for everyone else.
Vega sounds way more Spanish the Balrog. Vega is actually a Spanish surname lots of Vegas in LATAM and Spain.