Kinnikuman's Brocken Jr. appeared in video games WAY before any of these other games existed. There was a really terrible Kinnikuman game for the Famicom. When it came out in America (as M.U.S.C.L.E.), Brocken Jr. was replaced with Buffaloman. In the 80s, while the manga and anime were not released in America, the little rubber figures based on them did, which were released under the name M.U.S.C.L.E.. Brocken Jr. was actually shown in at least one early advertisement for the toys, but as far as I know they toy itself did not see a release here. The sequel series, Kinnikuman II, WAS released in America as Ultimate Muscle, which also included Brocken Jr. Brocken Jr. is actually the son of a previously killed character named Brockenman. Jr. was also initially a villain, but changed his ways later on.
Ultimate Muscle a.k.a. Kinnikuman Nisei got did receive some wrestling/fighting games that released in the west. I had the Nintendo GameCube game, _Ultimate Muscle: Legends vs. New Generation_ and really enjoyed it. Perhaps it could be the subject a future video if enough people show interest?
@@antiquusunum7016 You're thinking of Monsieur Cheeks a.k.a. Puri-Puri Man (プリプリマン). He has a handful of appearances in the original Kinnikuman as well, but seems like he was just a crowd filler character. To be fair, I _think_ he and the rest of the Poison Sixpack only showed up in a filler arc for Ultimate Muscle as well. Then they used him for episode recaps in Season 3. XD
Actually he was more influenced off of the Terminator. Brocken's defeat-portrait in WH1 shows him with an exposes endoskeleton-face with a robotic-eye on one side, he even has fake blood.
@@KenMasters. It was a game about time travel. When I saw the uniform, I just assumed he was a future cop. I was 10, and he had inspector gadget powers. It was easy for me to jump to conclusions.
Thought he was a battle android straight from the factory in a warzone during WW2, well, he was from Germany after all... Just like his stage is with a large number of barbwires and a tank breaks out through the wall, given the deal that he's from Germany, it says it all, especially with Brocken is wearing a military officer's uniform...
Brocken as a character is just the embodiment of von Stroheim's declaration that "...German engineering is the finest in all the world." His arrange theme from the first game is also pretty damn badass.
I remember playing World Heroes as a kid and the similarity with street fighter that struck me was not Broken but the 2 Ninjas with Ryu and Ken. Both sets of characters are quasi-clones of each other and they all have projectile, dp, and tatsu move.
Exactly! I thought , "wow ... This is familiar yet cool and unique enough to be my fave fighter (for at least a few weeks)" LoL It did help me get into it because it was a lot more similar to Street Fighter than Fatal Fury was. I really liked the red ninja guy (good style, and Ken was my fave, too)
@@XXSittinsidewaysxX Totally different genre, but check Fuuma and Hanzo in the Samurai Warriors series. Hanzo is kinda realistic, but Fuuma is pretty far out there
I used to own a ps2 anthology collection of World Heroes (and another with Art of Fighting) when I was younger, so seeing someone talk about world heroes feels nostalgic. Also, I've been enjoying a few of your fighting game videos so far, your channel's pretty cool.
Fun Fact: In the planning stages of WH1, early concepts for the game featured Brocken as a cyborg Hitlər and his weapon of choice being poison Zyklon-B gas; this was dropped early in development. having His initial background concept dropped (also due to avoid controversy), Brocken retained his toxic gas attack and has a "Heil, Brocken!" win quote in the Japanese versions of both WH2 Jet and WHP. His emotionless aspect was also heavily toned down later in the series to make him less like The Terminator.
Funny, I never thought Brocken was a rip off, of M Bison at all. Their only similarity is that they have a military type uniform. Brocken if anything is developed better as a character than Bison. he has a more developed back story, which actually provides an explanation to his skills and fighting style. whereas Bison as many Capcom characters had no story and they improvised one for him with each new SF release.
He just isn't a ripoff. Simple. Both him and Bison are ripoffs of Brocken from Kinnikuman. And I don't know if this guy is ignorant or manipulative, to try forcing an argument on his ignorant audience, but he used bad examples of pictures from Kinnikuman (also it should have been the manga). Otherwise it would be easier to see that even Bison is a ripoff of the Kinnikuman Brocken.
I loved this guy's design! He looks like a Bison clone, but plays like Dhalsim + he's a mechanized warrior! SF6 doesn't have any new characters as cool as this guy 👍
Guile's hair was actually based on Jean Pierre Polnareff. The Capcom designer got this character confused with J. Geil and named their character Guile.
@@KasumiKenshirou I've always heard since a long time (i got into the JJBA manga 15 years ago just for reference of time) that the hair was based on Stroheim. And actually it's similar to his hair and not much to Polnareff. The SF devs (like any other young adult working on fgs in the early-mid 90s) were heavily influenced by JJBA because it was making it bit in Japan around that time, reaching peak popularity around the early-mid 90s. And given that Capcom got to make an extremely well done JJBA fg in the late 90s (probably the gold standard of anime fg for a long time until it was beaten by Arc Systems) i doubt the Capcom devs are JJBA casuals that barely know the series. They would hardly mistake names, and make a Stroheim hair reference meaning it to be a Polnareff reference instead for example.
I've been searching for this character for 20 years. I once played the game in an arcade in Hungary as a teenager and I always wondered what game was that where there was a German fighter in a grey uniform with extending arms. Finally after all those years my question has been answered by your video. Thanks!!
"Brocken"? Was für ein genialer Name! (What an ingenious name!) While it might be inspired by the mountain, you could also literally translate it to rock/giant stone/clump/chunk/boulder/etc.+ (which I think is also the origin of the mountain's name).😀 As a fun fact, a very muscular (or heavy/obese) person might also colloquially be called a "Brocken". So that might have influenced this, too.
That's very fascinating, it sounds similar to the classification of larger fighters as "heavyweights"... and likely also the origin for the Pokemon trainer name of "Brock"
@@SorcererLance I wouldn't be surprised if "Brock" is actually a romanization mistake, where it's supposed to be "Block" (indeed once again as more rough/muscular/thicc). Didn't look into this, but this isn't that far off, considering Final Fantasy VII should have a character called "Bullet" but is using the wrong romanization in the form of "Barret". Also "heavyweight" has an actual German equivalent/term: "Schwergewicht".
@@Smaxx Also interesting... so there's technically two versions of "heavyweight" in German? I suppose one is more of a nickname than an official title. As for Brock, in Japan he's named Takeshi, while French it's Pierre and German he's called Rocko... both also derived from the word "rock", I guess English went with Brock because it already has the word "rock" in it, much like Rocko. And I never really thought about that with Barret and it makes sense... could be the same with Aerith possibly being Alice, Rinoa possibly being Lenore and Ultimecia being Artemisia
@@SorcererLance Yep, exactly! Also noteworthy the German FF7/FF8 use yet again different names, too: Aeris, Cifer, Xell, and many others. And yes, indeed Artemisia (from Arutimishia)
Zeus from World Heroes reminds of Brakus from Best of the Best 2. He's mostly based on Roah and Souther from Fiat of the North Star but I think there's a it of Brakus there as well.
The only thing the two have in common is they wear military uniforms, which are far from uncommon. Broken actually seems to have more in common with Dhalsim, having extending limbs.
With influences like Stroeheim and Broken Jr, Japan really loves and enjoys the idea of a Heroic Natzi! Though questionable I'm sure, its the militant attitude, pride in ones country and stylish attire that has many many militant otaku clambering for more. This trait is later explored in other media such as manga, video games and other franchises. How it became so big is beyond me though.
If because of two characters you dare to say that Japan “really loves and enjoy the idea of heroic Nancy”, then you should be consistent on your narrative and say the same about Marvel that has characters such as Hatemonger, Red Skull, Baron Zemo and other super-powered literal-nancys. Yeah I mentioned nancys because using the other word I got strike on other social media.
M. Bison was actually based on Hokuto No Ken's (japanese anime from 1983) "God Army" members with the similar clothing and fighting attitude. Search it up.
It's hard to not choose Brocken in this game when you main Bison in SF, though later I started playing Jenghis Carn. Speaking of which, Genghis Khan never seems to be offensive in pop culture, despite being a way more "prolific" genocidal warlord. I mean, people are having civil discussions on whether he was bad, badass or based.
Honestly, he was a little of both types of people. He helped modernize not only Western, but also Eastern, culture, he had arguably the longest reaching, as well as most powerful, empire of all time, he basically made Iran (then Persia) over because some people had murdered a peaceful envoy that he had sent to them for which he wanted to have a peaceful alliance with, and he had so many women that there is a 0.5% chance that someone on this planet is related to him as a direct descendant, with at least another 9.5% of humankind being more distantly related to him.
Wow !, so there was some truth in my initial thoughts back in my school days we were learning WW II history, and a visit to the arcade was always a must. When I first saw Brocken , I initially thought of the SS uniform and wondered if there was inspiration . 30yrs later well looks like I was right.
I remember finding about SNK through videogame magazines (wasn't much of an arcade habitué in the early 90's); I knew all about Brocken's "inspiration" and origin story... As well as Rasputin's flamboyant "Oh Yay" fighting style! Years later I got into arcade emulation and had my fill of the classics... World Heroes, Art of Fighting, King of Fighters, Fatal Fury... Even the brilliant Last Blade. 🤓
@@tojiroh , no, that would be the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive version of the game that had lacked that feature...I had versions of that game for both my SNES/NSFC and Sega Genesis/Mega Drive.
Brocken was my favorite character to play in the first World Heroes. Not because he could extend his limbs or shoot a missile from his hand. No, it was because he could fly. I love getting the life lead and then just flying around the screen to get the time out.
I remember this character There was an early version of this game where he was over powered all you had to do was spam lower weak kicks and you can kill your opponent in 3 or so seconds.
Interesting piece of trivia; Capcom originally gave the M. Bison name to the boxer character who eventually became Balrog. The boxer's appearance and name were originally based on the well known cartoon character Drederick Tatum of 'The Simpsons' (knows as "Das Simpsons" in Germany).
I remember my local pizza hut had a world heroes arcade machine I used to play the death matches...I later asked my mom for the game but ended up with street fighter championship instead because I got bison and Brocken mixed up lol ..
Great to see you again Top Hat and interesting video for sure. I posted this up on the Neo-Geo thread on the forums over on AtariAge for others to take notice bro. Thank you for sharing this with us. 8^) Anthony...
At 6:25 you are actually not showing the german flag (unless you tilt it 90° to the right). First I thought it's the flag of Belgium, but that would be black-yellow-red. You somehow managed to choose the flag of the People's Progressive Party (PPP) of Guyana ^^' (took me a moment to find that). Anyway thanks for the video and greetings from Germany ;)
To be fair Brocken looks closer to Mr. Blaster, the 5 stage boss from The Combatribes than to M.Bison. Mr. Blaster has extendable mechanical limbs, cannon and blades in his body. Obviously the main influence for both was Brocken from Kinnikuman as you said, while (as you also mentioned) M.Bison is more influenced by that Riki-Oh enemy.
you say he's ripping-off bison... i think his gameplay actually resembles dhalsim's actually... long limbs, projectile that burns you.... it's all there.
Looks like they changed him from one capcom character knockoff (Bison) to another, Captain Commando. "Copy my work, but don't make it look like a copy"
Wow, I didn't realize the general/fighter trope was so prevalent. That's really cool! I always assumed he was a Dan-like character (where Capcom was poking fun at SNK), and Brocken was part of a friendly back and forth.
I am quite pleased that Top Hat Gaming Man covered the other possible (probable?) inspirations for Brocken. Probably because I am so fond of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Battle Tendency Ultimate Muscle (Kinnikuman Nisei) myself. XD
You know it's crazy whenever you watch videos and they start talking about censorship and you realize how ultimately pointless the act is it's not like Nazi imagery or propaganda has disappeared in Germany, it just went underground. The same thing is happened every time someone has tried to censor an idea, they adherence to it takes a hold and will not let go. Censorship is ultimately pointless.
Interesting... his backstory is slightly similar to the early JACK robots in the Tekken games, starting off as Soviet-era fighting androids wanting to prove their superiority in the tournaments
wait a minute. Brocken??!? as in, the Ultimate muscle character brocken?!? he looks fairly similar to the ultimate muscle character, but with cybernetics... edit: oh good. you covered this one.
I remember an arcade game in my local Wal-Mart having a fighting game with a cyborg Bison knockoff with a stage with spiked walls. I never did caught the name of the game.
Brokken, seems to not only be inspired by Kinniku Man's Brokken Jr. Jojo's Strohiem, S.F's M.Bison, and even Dhalsim's "Stretchy Limbs" but Cyberneticised
I question the validity of the whole "Brocken is a nazee", considering I saw nothing of the sort in the arcade nor the home console version, and I owned a Super Famicom cartridge which would be under JP laws so wouldnt have to abide by US nor EU censorship laws. I think its another case of "anything german means nazee" which is a bigoted stand point.
As big daddy top hat mentioned early on Brocken literally only has his uniform in common with bison, I would say he is much more inspired by Brockenman and stronhiem as both kinikkumam and jjba are extremely popular in Japan. But this is a pet peeve of mine where people see a character similar to a SF character and just assume they were a clone or were used as inspiration. Like Akira from VF always gets some flack for looking like ryu because of the white gi and headband but a white gi is normal martial arts wear and the martial artist wearing a headband thing existed before ryu but capcom bias is high so people naturally just assume everything in fighting games come from capcom
I always saw Brocken as much more similar to Dhalsim due to his mechanics. Floaty jumping, extendable limbs, various projectiles, area-denial specials. The M. Bison dictator uniform was superficial varnish to me, even back then.
Gameplaywise he is very very similar to Dhalsim. with stretching fists and punches, flying through the air, rocket is yoga fire, hand spiral is yoga flame.
The takeaway that I get from this is that neither character was original in concept and everyone is influenced by someone's creation and idea. Capcom and Street Fighter 2 blatantly took Dragonball Z concepts and ran away with it.
Suggestion of video: multi part compilation of ideas taken from other fighting games by Capcom for their fighting games. Multi part otherwise it would be too long.
I actually really love the World Heroes series. I remember thinking Brocken was definitely meant to be like Bison, but after watching Jojo's Bizarre Adventure I know he's really just based on Stroheim from Battle Tendency.
No, it's a German flag, just flipped sideways. Belgium's order is different (black, yellow red), plus, their flag uses yellow, while our German flag uses gold. Belgium 🇧🇪 ≠ 🇩🇪 Germany
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Do you know the character "M. Blaster" from the game The Combatribes?
Remember when big daddy too hat
Was wrestling once?
Even M.Bison is a ripoff from Washizaki, villain from manga Riki Oh.
Great video. I actually played this game myself in a local arcade. Thanks for the upload, it brought back memories of being an arcade rat lol
M.Bison was communist in World Warriors version.
The day bison influenced brocken was the most important day of his life. To bison, it was Tuesday
I got that reference.🤣
Only true fans will get it. lol
I watched the movie just to see that part . Hahaha it was tuesday hahahaa
Truly underrated comment
😂😂😂😂
Kinnikuman's Brocken Jr. appeared in video games WAY before any of these other games existed. There was a really terrible Kinnikuman game for the Famicom. When it came out in America (as M.U.S.C.L.E.), Brocken Jr. was replaced with Buffaloman.
In the 80s, while the manga and anime were not released in America, the little rubber figures based on them did, which were released under the name M.U.S.C.L.E.. Brocken Jr. was actually shown in at least one early advertisement for the toys, but as far as I know they toy itself did not see a release here.
The sequel series, Kinnikuman II, WAS released in America as Ultimate Muscle, which also included Brocken Jr.
Brocken Jr. is actually the son of a previously killed character named Brockenman. Jr. was also initially a villain, but changed his ways later on.
Ultimate Muscle a.k.a. Kinnikuman Nisei got did receive some wrestling/fighting games that released in the west. I had the Nintendo GameCube game, _Ultimate Muscle: Legends vs. New Generation_ and really enjoyed it. Perhaps it could be the subject a future video if enough people show interest?
Do you know he has an m wrtten on the inside
of him?
Not sure what it means tho?
@@antiquusunum7016 You're thinking of Monsieur Cheeks a.k.a. Puri-Puri Man (プリプリマン). He has a handful of appearances in the original Kinnikuman as well, but seems like he was just a crowd filler character. To be fair, I _think_ he and the rest of the Poison Sixpack only showed up in a filler arc for Ultimate Muscle as well. Then they used him for episode recaps in Season 3. XD
It's a crime that we were held back from Kinnikuman in America for so long
@@KamisamanoOtaku , that game also got a PS2 release stateside.
I hope this is the beginning of a World Heroes series! Truly, TRULY a criminally forgotten gem!
NINJA COMBAT!!!
funnily enough I recently got this for my Japanese Saturn - its a pretty decent fighter
....shudders......each to there own, and glad you guys enjoy it.... but its probably one of the few turds in the land of the neogeo
@@orderofmagnitude-TPATP That's your opinion. The later games were better though
Big facts.
Growing up, I always thought he was just a German Robocop.
Actually he was more influenced off of the Terminator.
Brocken's defeat-portrait in WH1 shows him with an exposes endoskeleton-face with a robotic-eye on one side, he even has fake blood.
@@KenMasters. It was a game about time travel. When I saw the uniform, I just assumed he was a future cop. I was 10, and he had inspector gadget powers. It was easy for me to jump to conclusions.
Thought he was a battle android straight from the factory in a warzone during WW2, well, he was from Germany after all...
Just like his stage is with a large number of barbwires and a tank breaks out through the wall, given the deal that he's from Germany, it says it all, especially with Brocken is wearing a military officer's uniform...
I thought he was an inspector gadget expy
Brocken as a character is just the embodiment of von Stroheim's declaration that "...German engineering is the finest in all the world."
His arrange theme from the first game is also pretty damn badass.
Moral of the story:
You can't pull the wool over capcom's
Eyes.
Even changing the color can't fool them.
Those guy's are smart.😂
He even voices the world heroes games.
His theme from 2 was my favorite
@@smokeyKD I loved how a Stug just casually burst through the wall in the background for his stage. The arrange theme is also quite a banger.
A cybernetic combination of M. Bison and Dhalsim. Nice.
That is why I played Broken, zoner is my play style
I remember playing World Heroes as a kid and the similarity with street fighter that struck me was not Broken but the 2 Ninjas with Ryu and Ken. Both sets of characters are quasi-clones of each other and they all have projectile, dp, and tatsu move.
Exactly! I thought , "wow ... This is familiar yet cool and unique enough to be my fave fighter
(for at least a few weeks)" LoL
It did help me get into it because it was a lot more similar to Street Fighter than Fatal Fury was. I really liked the red ninja guy (good style, and Ken was my fave, too)
Same inputs too!
You mean Hanzo (Blue Ninja) and Fuuma (Red Ninja) imho,they were pretty cool concepts imho
@@XXSittinsidewaysxX Totally different genre, but check Fuuma and Hanzo in the Samurai Warriors series. Hanzo is kinda realistic, but Fuuma is pretty far out there
Had the anthology.
I used to own a ps2 anthology collection of World Heroes (and another with Art of Fighting) when I was younger, so seeing someone talk about world heroes feels nostalgic. Also, I've been enjoying a few of your fighting game videos so far, your channel's pretty cool.
I had the world heroes and aof one.
There was also two different ones for fatal fury like that also. And I think one for samurai shodown
Fun Fact:
In the planning stages of WH1, early concepts for the game featured Brocken as a cyborg Hitlər and his weapon of choice being poison Zyklon-B gas; this was dropped early in development. having His initial background concept dropped (also due to avoid controversy), Brocken retained his toxic gas attack and has a "Heil, Brocken!" win quote in the Japanese versions of both WH2 Jet and WHP. His emotionless aspect was also heavily toned down later in the series to make him less like The Terminator.
Funny, I never thought Brocken was a rip off, of M Bison at all.
Their only similarity is that they have a military type uniform. Brocken if anything is developed better as a character than Bison.
he has a more developed back story, which actually provides an explanation to his skills and fighting style.
whereas Bison as many Capcom characters had no story and they improvised one for him with each new SF release.
He is much more like Dhalsim actually
He is way more harder than bison
He just isn't a ripoff. Simple. Both him and Bison are ripoffs of Brocken from Kinnikuman. And I don't know if this guy is ignorant or manipulative, to try forcing an argument on his ignorant audience, but he used bad examples of pictures from Kinnikuman (also it should have been the manga). Otherwise it would be easier to see that even Bison is a ripoff of the Kinnikuman Brocken.
I loved this guy's design! He looks like a Bison clone, but plays like Dhalsim + he's a mechanized warrior! SF6 doesn't have any new characters as cool as this guy 👍
Both WH Brocken and Bison are ripoffs of Brocken from Kinnikuman
Honestly, Q should make a return appearance, or Necro or Seth, because that is as close as you are going to get to Brocken.
Brocken is definitely inspired by Jojo character, the german cybrog Rudolph von Stroheim, whose hair in turn inspired Guile's
Guile's hair was actually based on Jean Pierre Polnareff. The Capcom designer got this character confused with J. Geil and named their character Guile.
@@KasumiKenshirou I've always heard since a long time (i got into the JJBA manga 15 years ago just for reference of time) that the hair was based on Stroheim. And actually it's similar to his hair and not much to Polnareff. The SF devs (like any other young adult working on fgs in the early-mid 90s) were heavily influenced by JJBA because it was making it bit in Japan around that time, reaching peak popularity around the early-mid 90s. And given that Capcom got to make an extremely well done JJBA fg in the late 90s (probably the gold standard of anime fg for a long time until it was beaten by Arc Systems) i doubt the Capcom devs are JJBA casuals that barely know the series. They would hardly mistake names, and make a Stroheim hair reference meaning it to be a Polnareff reference instead for example.
Brocken also has an m engraved inside
Him.
Tekken has jack.
I've been searching for this character for 20 years. I once played the game in an arcade in Hungary as a teenager and I always wondered what game was that where there was a German fighter in a grey uniform with extending arms. Finally after all those years my question has been answered by your video. Thanks!!
"Brocken"? Was für ein genialer Name! (What an ingenious name!) While it might be inspired by the mountain, you could also literally translate it to rock/giant stone/clump/chunk/boulder/etc.+ (which I think is also the origin of the mountain's name).😀 As a fun fact, a very muscular (or heavy/obese) person might also colloquially be called a "Brocken". So that might have influenced this, too.
That's very fascinating, it sounds similar to the classification of larger fighters as "heavyweights"... and likely also the origin for the Pokemon trainer name of "Brock"
@@SorcererLance I wouldn't be surprised if "Brock" is actually a romanization mistake, where it's supposed to be "Block" (indeed once again as more rough/muscular/thicc). Didn't look into this, but this isn't that far off, considering Final Fantasy VII should have a character called "Bullet" but is using the wrong romanization in the form of "Barret". Also "heavyweight" has an actual German equivalent/term: "Schwergewicht".
@@Smaxx Also interesting... so there's technically two versions of "heavyweight" in German? I suppose one is more of a nickname than an official title.
As for Brock, in Japan he's named Takeshi, while French it's Pierre and German he's called Rocko... both also derived from the word "rock", I guess English went with Brock because it already has the word "rock" in it, much like Rocko.
And I never really thought about that with Barret and it makes sense... could be the same with Aerith possibly being Alice, Rinoa possibly being Lenore and Ultimecia being Artemisia
@@SorcererLance Yep, exactly! Also noteworthy the German FF7/FF8 use yet again different names, too: Aeris, Cifer, Xell, and many others. And yes, indeed Artemisia (from Arutimishia)
Brocken is a direct reference to Kinnikuman, an old manga. Simple.
World heroes was my favorite neo geo game at the time it was released. I played it at a restaurant called ground round, whenever I ate there.
Zeus from World Heroes reminds of Brakus from Best of the Best 2. He's mostly based on Roah and Souther from Fiat of the North Star but I think there's a it of Brakus there as well.
Not "mostly", he's a straight ripoff of Raoh
I love how Brocken can punch and kick from a longer range.
Like a certain Indian yoga man from a long forgotten Capcom game
@@melchior2678 🤣
Launching rocket from arm - “Feuer Frei!”
The only thing the two have in common is they wear military uniforms, which are far from uncommon. Broken actually seems to have more in common with Dhalsim, having extending limbs.
exactly.
exactly, under that logic, any character dressed in uniform would be considered as based on him
With influences like Stroeheim and Broken Jr, Japan really loves and enjoys the idea of a Heroic Natzi! Though questionable I'm sure, its the militant attitude, pride in ones country and stylish attire that has many many militant otaku clambering for more. This trait is later explored in other media such as manga, video games and other franchises. How it became so big is beyond me though.
Nazisploitation was popular in Europe too in the 70s
If because of two characters you dare to say that Japan “really loves and enjoy the idea of heroic Nancy”, then you should be consistent on your narrative and say the same about Marvel that has characters such as Hatemonger, Red Skull, Baron Zemo and other super-powered literal-nancys.
Yeah I mentioned nancys because using the other word I got strike on other social media.
Japan is pretty racist and xenophobic that's why
Might be because Japan was part of the Axis and got nuked by the Allies.
I'd say Brocken reminds me more of Inspector Gadget.
rofl.
M. Bison was actually based on Hokuto No Ken's (japanese anime from 1983) "God Army" members with the similar clothing and fighting attitude. Search it up.
I always appreciate all your videos. Thank you
It's hard to not choose Brocken in this game when you main Bison in SF, though later I started playing Jenghis Carn. Speaking of which, Genghis Khan never seems to be offensive in pop culture, despite being a way more "prolific" genocidal warlord. I mean, people are having civil discussions on whether he was bad, badass or based.
Yeah, but he isn't white, and Mongolian Guilt doesn't exist.
Honestly, he was a little of both types of people. He helped modernize not only Western, but also Eastern, culture, he had arguably the longest reaching, as well as most powerful, empire of all time, he basically made Iran (then Persia) over because some people had murdered a peaceful envoy that he had sent to them for which he wanted to have a peaceful alliance with, and he had so many women that there is a 0.5% chance that someone on this planet is related to him as a direct descendant, with at least another 9.5% of humankind being more distantly related to him.
Wow !, so there was some truth in my initial thoughts back in my school days we were learning WW II history, and a visit to the arcade was always a must. When I first saw Brocken , I initially thought of the SS uniform and wondered if there was inspiration . 30yrs later well looks like I was right.
I still think about Fighter’s History a lot, it has little chance of getting a new entry today…
Long-live Data East 😎👍
They look similar because they are both from a dictator archetype.
I remember finding about SNK through videogame magazines (wasn't much of an arcade habitué in the early 90's); I knew all about Brocken's "inspiration" and origin story... As well as Rasputin's flamboyant "Oh Yay" fighting style! Years later I got into arcade emulation and had my fill of the classics... World Heroes, Art of Fighting, King of Fighters, Fatal Fury... Even the brilliant Last Blade. 🤓
There was an Art of Fighting on SNES and for what it's worth was very much on par with the Arcade version.
@@monstermachine1601 Indeed! I believe it lacked the zooming in/out feature, though.
@@tojiroh , no, that would be the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive version of the game that had lacked that feature...I had versions of that game for both my SNES/NSFC and Sega Genesis/Mega Drive.
Brocken was my favorite character to play in the first World Heroes. Not because he could extend his limbs or shoot a missile from his hand. No, it was because he could fly. I love getting the life lead and then just flying around the screen to get the time out.
or to avoid the traps
M bison and akuma my favorite characters I can’t decide between the two
What's with the blurring out at 06:11?
Probably a swastika?
Brocken Jr. was wearing a swastika on his chest.
I remember this character There was an early version of this game where he was over powered all you had to do was spam lower weak kicks and you can kill your opponent in 3 or so seconds.
I always seen Brocken as a WWII Inspector Gadget
Broken looked like M Bison but his arms and legs extended like Dhalsim
Interesting piece of trivia; Capcom originally gave the M. Bison name to the boxer character who eventually became Balrog. The boxer's appearance and name were originally based on the well known cartoon character Drederick Tatum of 'The Simpsons' (knows as "Das Simpsons" in Germany).
I always thought the boxer was named M. Bison as an homage to M. Tyson... Oh, wait, that's what you said, too
@@operator7585 almost. It was actually based on Neil DeGrass Byson, a famous African American
@@highnoon7097 Mmmm, Grassy Byson puts me in the mood for a Buffalo Burgher, a well-known New York resident
Niel D Grasse Bison is a hilarious mash up
Balrog = M. Bison
M.Bison = Vega
Vega= Balrog
I remember my local pizza hut had a world heroes arcade machine I used to play the death matches...I later asked my mom for the game but ended up with street fighter championship instead because I got bison and Brocken mixed up lol ..
Great to see you again Top Hat and interesting video for sure. I posted this up on the Neo-Geo thread on the forums over on AtariAge for others to take notice bro. Thank you for sharing this with us. 8^)
Anthony...
I loved Street Fighter 2 Champion edition when I came across the World heroes Jet 2 I have to admit I really enjoyed it as well , great fun game
At 6:25 you are actually not showing the german flag (unless you tilt it 90° to the right). First I thought it's the flag of Belgium, but that would be black-yellow-red. You somehow managed to choose the flag of the People's Progressive Party (PPP) of Guyana ^^' (took me a moment to find that). Anyway thanks for the video and greetings from Germany ;)
If Brocken was made to be an OP character his name would be Broken.
Should've mentioned how similar he was to the 'General' boss in Combatribes- both wear similar outfits and are cyborgs.
Combatribes is *SOOOOOOOOO* underrated! I had the SNES version back in the day. I wanna say that guy's name was David
Brocken was my fave, I always considered him a steam-powered version of Inspector Gadget!
Big facts
Somewhat off topic, was World Heroes the first fighting game to introduce stage hazards?
Yes. As a separate mode from the standard fighting mode.
World Heroes also had "clash", popularized by Guilty Gear, before than any other fgs
To be fair Brocken looks closer to Mr. Blaster, the 5 stage boss from The Combatribes than to M.Bison. Mr. Blaster has extendable mechanical limbs, cannon and blades in his body. Obviously the main influence for both was Brocken from Kinnikuman as you said, while (as you also mentioned) M.Bison is more influenced by that Riki-Oh enemy.
you say he's ripping-off bison... i think his gameplay actually resembles dhalsim's actually... long limbs, projectile that burns you.... it's all there.
Looks like they changed him from one capcom character knockoff (Bison) to another, Captain Commando. "Copy my work, but don't make it look like a copy"
He isn't any of those, but actually a ripoff of Brocken from Kinnikuman, just like Bison
Wow, I didn't realize the general/fighter trope was so prevalent. That's really cool! I always assumed he was a Dan-like character (where Capcom was poking fun at SNK), and Brocken was part of a friendly back and forth.
General Smash Daisaku from “GunStar Heroes” was an M.Bison/Dhalsim rip off as well. It’s my favorite 16 bit era game though.
at 6:24 it is a belgium flag not german ^^ a small mistake between horizontal and vertical stripes xD
Rasputin literally has a special move in this game where he does SA to the opponent in world heros.
Brocken figured out how to re-attach his head?
I remember world heroes as a kid in the 90s Brocken was my favorite character to play along with dragon
I am quite pleased that Top Hat Gaming Man covered the other possible (probable?) inspirations for Brocken. Probably because I am so fond of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Battle Tendency Ultimate Muscle (Kinnikuman Nisei) myself. XD
So where does General from Kaiser Knuckle fit in all this ?
You know it's crazy whenever you watch videos and they start talking about censorship and you realize how ultimately pointless the act is it's not like Nazi imagery or propaganda has disappeared in Germany, it just went underground. The same thing is happened every time someone has tried to censor an idea, they adherence to it takes a hold and will not let go. Censorship is ultimately pointless.
I did not see the hilarious puns coming at the end! 🤣
Interesting... his backstory is slightly similar to the early JACK robots in the Tekken games, starting off as Soviet-era fighting androids wanting to prove their superiority in the tournaments
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Part 2 (the influential material in question) = 1988. World Heroes = 1992. Tekken = 1994.
Interesting that Brocken was changed for Europe but Capcom left Bison intact.
Probably because Bison wasn't so explicitly German.
exactly, Bison operates from Shadaloo which a made up country and he has no known affinity with any real world dictators, so he gets a pass
wait a minute. Brocken??!? as in, the Ultimate muscle character brocken?!? he looks fairly similar to the ultimate muscle character, but with cybernetics...
edit: oh good. you covered this one.
I love the fact the devs didn't even hid how busted he is, I mean they named him Brocken; _maybe it was a hidden warning about him?_
i love this game as a teen growing up, especially the second installment....
Brocken and the world heroes gang hold a special place in my heart for ever!
I remember an arcade game in my local Wal-Mart having a fighting game with a cyborg Bison knockoff with a stage with spiked walls. I never did caught the name of the game.
It was probably this game in the death match where obstacles are in effect that can damage both fighters
world heroes thats known as "death match"
World Heroes needs to come back into the fold in the KOF series. They deserve to be there.
Brokken, seems to not only be inspired by Kinniku Man's Brokken Jr. Jojo's Strohiem, S.F's M.Bison, and even Dhalsim's "Stretchy Limbs" but Cyberneticised
Brockens stage music is amazing.
Brocken had the coolest stage music in World Heroes 2.
And he had a head-banging theme song in World Heroes 1.
I question the validity of the whole "Brocken is a nazee", considering I saw nothing of the sort in the arcade nor the home console version, and I owned a Super Famicom cartridge which would be under JP laws so wouldnt have to abide by US nor EU censorship laws. I think its another case of "anything german means nazee" which is a bigoted stand point.
I always thought of him as a combination of Bison and Dhalsim, because of the extendable limbs.
8:20 " You utter fool! German science is the greatest in the world! "
As big daddy top hat mentioned early on Brocken literally only has his uniform in common with bison, I would say he is much more inspired by Brockenman and stronhiem as both kinikkumam and jjba are extremely popular in Japan. But this is a pet peeve of mine where people see a character similar to a SF character and just assume they were a clone or were used as inspiration. Like Akira from VF always gets some flack for looking like ryu because of the white gi and headband but a white gi is normal martial arts wear and the martial artist wearing a headband thing existed before ryu but capcom bias is high so people naturally just assume everything in fighting games come from capcom
That PAL version of Brocken looks like Sting in the old dune movie
I used to rent World Heroes for SNES from a video store.
Hey, Top Hat Gaming Man. Can you please do a video on Kaiser Knuckle from Taito?
Brockwn is a cross between M. Bison and Dhalsim.
6:23 that's not the German Flag, stripes are supposed to be horizontal and not vertical.
Speaking of anime references, the game's final boss Zeus is a pretty dang obvious Raoh (from fist of the north star) expy aswell.
I always saw Brocken as much more similar to Dhalsim due to his mechanics. Floaty jumping, extendable limbs, various projectiles, area-denial specials. The M. Bison dictator uniform was superficial varnish to me, even back then.
Gameplaywise he is very very similar to Dhalsim. with stretching fists and punches, flying through the air, rocket is yoga fire, hand spiral is yoga flame.
The takeaway that I get from this is that neither character was original in concept and everyone is influenced by someone's creation and idea.
Capcom and Street Fighter 2 blatantly took Dragonball Z concepts and ran away with it.
I loved World Heroes. The game felt so wacky and really stood among the rest at my local arcade
Suggestion of video: multi part compilation of ideas taken from other fighting games by Capcom for their fighting games. Multi part otherwise it would be too long.
Brock is a mix of Bison, Dhaslim and Blanka
5:52 He even did M. Bison's move! WTF.
I actually really love the World Heroes series.
I remember thinking Brocken was definitely meant to be like Bison, but after watching Jojo's Bizarre Adventure I know he's really just based on Stroheim from Battle Tendency.
I still have my fighters history for the SNES.
Isn’t that the Belgium flag? 6:24
No, it's a German flag, just flipped sideways.
Belgium's order is different (black, yellow red), plus, their flag uses yellow, while our German flag uses gold.
Belgium 🇧🇪 ≠ 🇩🇪 Germany
*"GERMAN SCIENCE IS THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD!"*
I was wondering if you are interested in the sf2 rpg
Captain Kidd is the best man
he got 3 types of projectiles
Looks like Brocken started watching MTV
Fun fact, the main guy who made fatal fury/king of fighters, is also the same guy who made street fighter...
Brocken's Victory Quote was based on Stroheim's Famous Quote"Deutschland's Science Power is No.1 in the World"
Please do videos on mortal kombat 3 (& UMK3), Tekken 2, DOA2, & Soul Calibur 3. As well as videos on the Godzilla fighting games, Blazblue, Primal Rage, Mace The Dark Age, Sonic The Fighters, & Pokken Tournament
I don't know the artist's original intent but this guy looks pretty close to SS. I don't even have to finish the video to make that parallel.
Is he the german soldier from JoJo Part 2: Starfust Crusaders?
The most immediately obvious thing about Brocken is that his arms and legs extend just like Dhalsim's.
He may dress like Bison but he pretty much fights like Dhalsim
That's just Stroheim with a cap
Brocken is a cross between Dhalsim and M.Bison