And how "They met right at the middle" at an absolute ripoff for the seller. Sometimes these people seem so out of touch, but the stories can be fun occasionally, especially with the right person
_"Here's my 7th Lambo. I keep them parked next to my 5 Ferraris in my 500,000 square feet garage under my $300 million mansion."_ _"And, what do you do for a living?"_ _"I collect and re-sell bottle caps."_
@@chucktaylor2772 Yep! part of my favorite thing of these stories are the guys/teams who went to great lengths to interpret the rules slightly differently for their advantage or whatever. The bending the rules stuff is my favorite lmao
Truth be told, I'm STILL reeling that the two guys, geniuses, really, who were brilliant enough to invent card-counting at the black jack tables, were ever dumb enough to kill their own golden goose, by explaining it to everybody else.
Because the biggest “Cheaters” didn’t actually cheat - they merely interpreted the Rules in a way that nobody (including the rule makers) ever anticipated. Then kept their mouth shut.
@@robertmaybeth3434card counting is not a genius level activity. I had a drunk uncle who did it. Like you said you can't believe they were dumb enough to tell everybody about it, I imagine there were people doing it before them who were smart enough not to tell anyone.
Go tell that to these "know it all" protein filled, gym queen, A-holes that speak on this show. THEY know EVERYTHING ..... LOL. Gee, if we knew ALL cheating that went on......
In our formula student car, we milled a steel plate for the chainguard. The requirement was a 3mm plate, we milled ours down with a big face cutter at an angle to less than a millimeter in the center. Outer face was exactly to spec... Saved about half a kilo of weight. Which is a lot on a 150kg car.
Small side note about John's story on Jocko Flocko. Tim Flock never had him in a cage in the car, he had a custom race seat installed for Jocko to ride in while he went around the track. The incident where Jocko attacked him in the car was because Tim Flock had a panel attached to a cord that he would pull to check tire wear while driving. During the race Jocko got loose from his seat and since he saw Tim pull the cord so many times, pulled the cord and opened the panel right as a large pebble came up and smacked him right in the face. Poor Jocko wasn't freaking out cause he was in a loud race car, he was freaking out cause he got wacked in the face by a rock going probably 70mph
I don't even wanna know what possessed this guy to imprison a live monkey in a NASCAR stock car with him for a 500 mile race. What I really wanna know is how he dealt with piles of monkey crap. Perhaps it was just another cheat, and the monkey threw dung at the windshields of his opponents.
@@robertmaybeth3434 I’ve laughed way too much at the image you’ve pictured, honestly this was some South redneck kinda stuff, I don’t think he got bothered too much about monkey crap
@@dereckcensner4647 Comments like that make me doubt that you actually watch this channel. I rarely click on his videos because frankly there are way more entertaining people to watch when you want to see a story poorly conveyed by an obnoxious dumbass.
No one snitched, the fia and scruitineers demanded a full tear down instead of just inspection that's how the cheat was found. It was toyotas own fault for turning the boost up at the beginning of the rally, it was a super special with the cars side by side & toyotas shot off & pulled atleast 6-10 car lengths by the first turn on everything.
Toyota did the most beautiful jumps of all time and always came down on the rear tires first. I got the story about the turbo that it was a crashed car that was inspected and it was stuck. Some one did claim that Toyota did have some NITRO in the spare tire at the back and therefor they did have a big and strong guy to change it and that it was his only job........
@@Celician83 completely agree hes an absolute legend of the sport & drove the things to a level way over what they are capable of. He did an interview many years ago (I cant find it, it was on itv here in the uk) and explained how bad the car handled "like a big boat" but the power delivery (he was apparently unaware of the cheating) made up for it. It's also the reason he drove for subaru, after the scandal came out he couldn't believe mcrae & sainz could keep up & even beat it being way down on power. He's got into commentary now and does abit for rally tv aswel which has made him a fan favourite to the younger generation.
@@maybenot6075 I follow a UA-cam channel that takes old recorded VHS's of the 80's and 90's WRC races and upscaled them and posts them, especially the Royal Rally Championship and the Isle of Mann races
The Tyrell got caught not because the shot leaked, but when the car left the pits it did a burnout and basically turned the car into the worlds largest shotgun, firing the led shot against all the mechanics in the pits behind them.
NASCAR guys were known for loading shot and letting it loose during qualifying. NASCAR has the best and ingenious pushing of the grey areas and flat cheating
Much like the original ground effect cars with fans, they would fling gravel at cars behind them is one of the reasons they originally banned fans and ground effect in f1 for so long.
My all time favorite cheat was back in the 70s. Some wiseass shows up to a race with a 23 gallon fuel tank. Scrutineers see this and tell him that fuel tank is too big and he has to replace it. Well, he hems and he haws and curses up a storm and stomps back to the garage and, knowing full well the scrutineers arent going to check the replacement tank, replaces the tank... with one that holds 28 gallons.
I love these stories. I worked at a really high end shop. The top guy (who took forever to get friendly) finally started to open up about his past. He was a crew chief for a privateer 962. He was telling me stories about (not the 962) having camber limits that they would beat by turning 2 degrees into the tire itself on a lathe. Shoving dry ice in places, then panicking because the car sat longer then expected and started to drip. And my favourite was fuel capacity limits they overcame because the rule book never specified *how long the filler hose could be.
It is important to distinguish between a cheat and a creative interpretation of the rules. The latter is cool and awesome while the former is grounds for disqualification and punishment. In the case of Toyota the rules explicitly said that any air entering the engine had to pass through the restrictor. What Toyota did was a incredibly well engineered way of deliberately breaking the rules. The FIA comes down hard on deliberate cheats which is why they were excluded from the WRC. To me the real art in racing is to do something that (when discovered) leads to a changing of the rules because it was so clever.
In 2011 McLaren's F-Duct led directly to the DRS system we have in F1 today. But at the time it wasn't against the rules. It just absolutely wasn't what the FIA had in mind. Plus every team scrambled to make their own version. Same with hot and cold blowing of the diffuser in F1.
i love the Schumacher story of the annual driver + helmet weigh in.. it was discovered his helmet was 40kg as it was filled with lead shot. this allowed the driver + car to be a lot lighter :D the 1984 lotus that had ground effect side skirts - ally sheets were so thin that they would give ground effect on a qualifying lap. just do 1 or 2 cooldown laps after to wear to the min height allowed by the FIA. for f1 there are just too many to mention.
10:16 - Squoze?...is that a word? 🤣 EDIT: Apparently it is...kinda...it's a "facetious past participle of the verb 'to squeeze'"...well done, Ficarra. Well done.
I'd never heard the word before, but I immediately recognised it as an irregular simple-past-tense form of 'to squeeze'. No clue whether it was ever in common use anywhere, but hey I appreciated it. :) Should note btw, just because you seem like someone who'd be interested: it's simple past tense like "froze", not past participle like "frozen". Though I would be delighted to see "squozen" in the wild sometime. :P (bonus btw: "smote" and "smitten" have kinda gone their separate ways now, but they were just the past-simple and past-participle forms of 'to smite')
@@FicarraClassic And if you're going to use all the vowels in a single word in order, then it's definitely going to be facetious and not abstemious. :D
For our friends that are not very familiar with WRC. It was the round headlight celica that had the turbo cheat, not the pop up headlight model. As both are shown in the video. Also the drivers were unaware of this. You can see them on UA-cam videos being interviewed during the rally and being surprised at well the car performed. Search Corsica wrc 1996
I absolutely love hearing these tales and stories. These types of antics and rule bending ideas made racing so exciting. I miss the days when everyone had their own unique ideas and setups. It wasn't just a full field of the same cloned vehicles racing for hours.
John always has the best stories! I love his knowledge of the cars and all the lore with early racing! I could listen to this guy tell stories for a long time!
Love these stories. My Dad was rallying through the 60s, 70s and 80s in Ireland. He failed scrutiny in one Rally, in the 60s, when the Mini Cooper S was missing one crossbeam on the roll cage. They were only intruded that year. So with no time to get a new strut welded in place the got a Plastic Pipe, of the same diameter and similar black colour, and fixed in place with Sticky Tape. Passed scrutiny and off he went Rallying. Them were the days, eh ??? GK.
It's only cheating if the rules explicitly say you can't do it... The best wins are the ones that have the most creative interpretations of those rules. Especially when it's the classic "David vs Goliath" underdog tale. Everyone loves a creative and wiley underdog win.
Sometimes breaking the spirit of the competition/rules is looked at very negatively, but if it doesn't hurt anyone else and is clever, it might just be interesting enough to be cool
@@straphyr Yeah I think Toyota should have been given some sort of an extra award for creativity and the regulatory bodies would look so much cooler if they just said "ha, yeah you got us you wiley buggers! Ten points for being cunning, but we know what to look for next year" Rather than kicking them off the grid.
Reminds me of Honda winning races years ago on the Isle of Man. There was a restriction on tank capacity. Honda used oversize tanks but made of thin alloy. When they crossed the finish line the rider would punch the tank in triumph, thus reducing the capacity back to what it should have been. ECU mods were commonplace. There was no way to check what the ECU programming actually was, the scrutineers could only check the filename. So all that race teams did was change the programming, but use a filename from an approved program.
Kenny was such a good man. He dumped a bucket if water on my head by accident when I was like 8, he thought it was my dad walking through the door. I remember crying hysterical, but he's the man
Gary Nelson saying, “We had no idea”. I can’t stop laughing. You didn’t mention the hidden fuel in the trunk bulkhead. Nelson told that story on TV many years ago. On the TV show Car Crazy Sam Posey told the story of his Trans-Am Challenger that was a collection of cheats from one end to the other. Hilarious stuff.
@Pauu3R I mean... technically, all air entering the engine came in through the restrictor on the turbo. Look at what non cheating WRC car air ducting looks like. Very very large diameter tube between the intercooler and throttle body. The tube is shaped to be square edged at the inlet and tapered (well, donut shaped) at the outlet... so the air only wants to flow out in one direction, so it stores boost when you snap off the throttle and back on. Takes up a bit less space than a 30l tank in the rear bumper too!
Alfa Romeo's cheat for the British Touring Car (BTCC) was excellent, they knew that you could only run cars that were actually sold, so they made a number of specials that had recessed slots and groves where the rear spoiler could be raised from and allowed for angle adjustments. they also had a hidden front splitter under the front bumper which if you loosened the bolts you could push the leading edge forwards. Now for the first few races no-one noticed or realised that was what was happening until a couple of the rivals got their hands on a car and rushed in a complaint. It did get banned for the rest of the season and Alfa started losing races almost immediately as a result. But what happened was for the following season new rules came in to allow after market aero on the cars.
I love the cheating/innovation stories with stick car racing. I grew up around dirt stick cars and have seen alot of cheating/innovation. A good one i have is a chassis builder built a fuel injected engine that looked like at used a carburetor - not legal in dirt late model stock car racing. Fuel rails and injectors were integrated into the under side of the intake in a way that they were harder to notice if you didn't know what you were looking for. The carb basically worked as a throttle body as the fuel injectors controlled the fuel mixture - gave you better throttle responce, more hoursepower and torque. It had a problem when starting as you needed a squirt bottle to spray in the bowls of the carb (fuel was not plumbed to the carb). A person i know fixed to problem with starting by running a secondary pump to pump fuel to the jets in tue carb when starting the car. The person who figured out the fix got to run the engine for a while but was told "don't get caught and dont be too dominant". Had an amazing season with the engine - won a few races but was always in the top 5 that year.
A more modern one is Ferrari got caught /fined in F1 when they designed the ECU in the car to synchronize with the sensor that FIA uses to limit fuel flow into the engine. They designed the system to deliver more fuel to the engine when the sensor “wasn’t looking” by timing larger bursts of fuel in sync with the sampling rate of the sensor. It such a high tech cheat. It must have taken a large team of very smart people to pull it off. Hilarious.
When SCCA went from Showroom Stock to IT (International Touring) classes, one of the best "cheats" was to split the car under the rear seat area, take a "porta power" and stretch the car, then fill in thr gap. This allowed a slightly wider tire to be installed, giving the obvious advantage..
The Celica GT4 is one of my favorite cars of all time, and I love that story but Toyota stopped running it after that which sucks, tho it supposedly ran by some privateers. The ST205 is so frickin cool.
Not "racing" but still competitive motorsports, in truck pulls, we are limited in engine size depending on class and they test this with a flow machine in the pits. One popular cheat is to put a couple cigarette butts into the combustion chamber through the spark plug holes to make it appear much smaller that it is in actuality. And of course, once you start the engine, they blow out the exhaust and are gone lol
I was on teams for a while. Teams started to try this again in the 2010’s. NASCAR then made a rule that said the had to have the bumper cover on at all times and made teams start to have extra ones they could rivot or tape on if they were involved in a crash. If you didn’t have a spare or couldn’t get it to stay on, you didn’t go back out on track.
One of my favorites is Volvo with their BTCC 850 head, but my absolute favorite is what Lancia was doing in rally during their 037 era to try and beat Audi, they were manipulating the conditions of full stages etc, lol.
I had a friend who started work for Brands Hatch Racing when it was owned by John Foulston of Atlantic Computers.He then got head hunted to go to Tyrrell and he told me that they used do things like putting nitrogen into the tyres when qualifying instead of air or changing the onboard fire extinguisher system for an empty bottle or having a nose cone which was so heavy that it needed 2 techs to lift because it had lead sheets built into the GRP ie more weight -more front downforce.He's now at Williams....
I worked with a rallycross team in France at the world championships at Loheac a few years back and was told that the chief scrutineer there for the FFSA had been a mechanic involved with the 95 Toyata team at the time of this scandal! Similar side note to the Nascar bumper.
Toyotas most successful competitor at the time, Lancia, was also doing some fine cheats... so every rallye car needs a fire extinguishing system. You'd want one that goes to the engine bay to fight fires there, right? Some fires might originate like around the intake and the fuel rails, you will certainly want to install some extinguisher lines going there to spray right into the intake. And also fire extinguishers need to be replaced, no questions asked, it's a safety requirement to not use out of date ones, right? "How commendable, they're taking safety seriously" you'd think when you see the mechanics would replace them at pretty much every stage. Guess what was in some of those extinguisher bottles... Yes, NOS.
The story I heard about the Celica, was that the engineers noticed a difference when the car was started. They heard the turbo spooling from the get-go
So torn… Simultaneously so happy this story is being told (especially by John!). But I’m so torn because the Celica is one of the last affordable JDM legends and I want one! 😂
Cheating in motorsports is/was most prevalent in the entry level "watch this for new talent" classes though, or if turbos on production cars were involved - formula Vee, Renault 5, Porsche 944 cup... if inhibiting a wastegate would gain 50 or 100hp, guess what people did... or in the higher classes of motorsports, where consumption became a factor - Le Mans has seen some mind-boggling splits in fuel consumption between cars in the same team, with the winning car performing better than all others of the same type even. It's almost like some fuel was moved from the slower to the faster driver by means of the overflow catchtank.
I loved my #80 of 150 Group A GT4 with the water to air intercooler. It was a shite load better than the normal gt4s. Internals all forged. Suspension ralleye spec, bigger and faster spooling turbo, injectors massive, gearbox. Heck everything mechanical was fricken amazing.. The default boost was only 7psi. My buddy mechanic spent 3 days with a good old power fc and hand controller. Ended up dialing it in to 22psi and for 10 years before I moved to Canada it never had a single issue. Yet, scares the shite out of passengers when using the 'no lag max power mode' he programmed. Click onto that with brake down. Turbo and revs go up wastegate closed, fuel popping and zoom. Fkn flew. Did the qtr mile in 10.2s and that was with a pretty average launch. Funny thing was every one of the 150 sold had something unique. Mine was the internals after he took the head apart and saw it looked damn new. Either way, bit of a spring clean, upgraded the seals and pipes, hoses etc. Mine had the big brakes exact as the rallye versions. Had to get custom pads as it was an odd size. Managed to get almost 300 all wheel kw on the dyno. Take away 30% loses that's almost 400 kilowatt on all four tyres. When took it in barely made 150kw. Was nerfed hard with the ECU for consumers. Just needed that changed. Use proper race spec oils. Solid tune. And a few things like the brake duct cooling blocked removed. . Zoom. 530 horses or 700hp at the engine. Can't believe I Sold it for $13k and a r32 gtr vspec II imported from Japan in 2005 for $22k.. Both were mint. But as moved from Australia to Canada.. did Masters in Geotechnical engineering, got married the less than $40k was required. Argh. I sold my e46 2006 similarly after the divorce was settled back in 2019 and had it for two years after moving back to Aus. Sold it for $20k as needed coin asap.. figured I'd just buy another after. Then Covid, lost job yada yada now these cars are so damn expensive. Who the heck would have thought living in Melbourne after almost a decade in Canada. Prices would go up instead of down for housing, rent and old cars. By a shite load. I got a 2015 Golf R. It's great, is a practical car when it comes to good fuel economy when daily driving and a decent beast off the road. But I don't have that love that these cars had. The ability to turn off all electronic aids, with hydraulic power steering, traction control ability to completely disable, the sound and feel that allowed you to feel exactly its limits. Sure, can turn off almost all with my mk7 golf r with an extra long hold of the dsc button but it's still a bit hand holding. The GTR unplug a fuse, rwd. Heck when I bought it and got to drive it to my mechanic when it passed compliance. It was about 180kw. Running 8pi (gentleman's rule in Japan for max 206kw). Like the Supra, 300zx TT etc but a yellow cable plugged into the ecu from near the turbo and boost went up to 15psi.. and the slug heavy feel went away. After a mear $4k, upgrade intercooler, complete computer re-tune and 500kw like it was nothing.. Just pump 98 fuel.. with a couple pod filters and ooo that engine sounded nice sucking in the air and the injectors zipping away throwing in fuel and watching my fuel gauge go down after a brisk 10mins of hills driving on a cool crisp night. Yet, my favourite car of all time is a surprise. The first import from Japan. A grade 4.7/5 180sx Type X. With Pearl white sparking. Smelt and drove brand new. Originally 120rwkw and $8k later 240rwkw and weighted 900kg. Rear wheel drive manual. Never seen one as clean and nice as that. Sadly, the same night I had taken it in to get a quote for its final upgrade of coil overs. They change the oil but only hand screwed the sump plug in. So, the car club and I went for our Friday night hills run. Car behind me calling me, but couldn't hear it cos the rocketing of the car. Super stable when built for cornering, and reliable speed, white smoke pouring out. Boom steering wheel Locked all lights came on. Rear wheels locked up and bam! Into the side of the mountain, airbag.. then eventually a slow rolling backwards. My back when into full spasm mode. Pulled the handbrake. Hunched over expecting to be dead. Rear wheels 1 inch from the edge down many hundred meters down the cliff. No guard rail. A few weeks in the spinal ward. 6 months neck collar. Physo. But alas. Investigation saw all the oil under car, on wheels and no sump plug. The place went under after sueing expecting them to have insurance. Got $60k with almost $40k going the lawyer. Fkn sucks. Finally, after the perfect subtle upgrades to make it a fkn quick car and can be economical when not boosting. Nimble beauty. That was 2006.. bought it basically new from a import dealer in South Australia for $15k with actual service records, not a drift car and even a photo of the 50ish yr old next to it in the service history. Never seen rain. The perfect car to build from. Then be the e46 m3 2nd to last month of manufacture. Every single time put fuel in it, at the lights, go to a cafe at least someone would come over to say that is the nicest m3 they had seen. All I did with that was replace all parts that wear. Did full services and upgrade the brakes. (Handly mates with the Mechanic directly across the road). If I couldn't sleep. I'd go in my garage and turn it on. Open the hood and just listen to the engine. Put my hand on it. Ha oh man. I am lucky to have owned these cars and paid very reasonable money to get them. Compared to today! But sigh, I'd never be able to get a car like them again. Unless lotto. I'd get a 1995 Porsche 911 Turbo. .. and a new Porsche Targa turbo in Cherry Red.
Forgot probavly the most significant cheat of all: the Toyota GT1 race car putting the fuel tank inside the mandatory trunk space. It worked and at the time was completely legal. Though the rules were changed for the following year.
So refreshing to have stories that are not “how I bought my 7th Lambo”
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or some cuck bootlicking the police while simultaniously boasting about driving dangerously and ripping people off
And how "They met right at the middle" at an absolute ripoff for the seller. Sometimes these people seem so out of touch, but the stories can be fun occasionally, especially with the right person
@@straphyrright thought I was the only one that noticed, definitely love the more down to earth guys that aren’t just some rich douche
_"Here's my 7th Lambo. I keep them parked next to my 5 Ferraris in my 500,000 square feet garage under my $300 million mansion."_
_"And, what do you do for a living?"_
_"I collect and re-sell bottle caps."_
Cheating stories are one of my absolute favorites on this channel. The ingenuity these folks had is hilarious.
Cheat.... Rules interpretation stories on any channel are my favorite 👍
@@chucktaylor2772 Yep! part of my favorite thing of these stories are the guys/teams who went to great lengths to interpret the rules slightly differently for their advantage or whatever. The bending the rules stuff is my favorite lmao
Dale Earnhardt jr has a few cheating segments from his podcast here on UA-cam if you haven’t seen them
Hilarious? You mean ingenious.
If it’s not written down, then it’s legal…doesn’t matter if it violates against the spirit of the rule…I got canceled for that a few times in life
The biggest cheaters never got caught and never bragged afterwards.
Truth be told, I'm STILL reeling that the two guys, geniuses, really, who were brilliant enough to invent card-counting at the black jack tables, were ever dumb enough to kill their own golden goose, by explaining it to everybody else.
Chad Knaus comes to mind
Because the biggest “Cheaters” didn’t actually cheat - they merely interpreted the Rules in a way that nobody (including the rule makers) ever anticipated. Then kept their mouth shut.
@@robertmaybeth3434card counting is not a genius level activity. I had a drunk uncle who did it. Like you said you can't believe they were dumb enough to tell everybody about it, I imagine there were people doing it before them who were smart enough not to tell anyone.
Go tell that to these "know it all" protein filled, gym queen, A-holes that speak on this show. THEY know EVERYTHING ..... LOL.
Gee, if we knew ALL cheating that went on......
In our formula student car, we milled a steel plate for the chainguard. The requirement was a 3mm plate, we milled ours down with a big face cutter at an angle to less than a millimeter in the center. Outer face was exactly to spec... Saved about half a kilo of weight. Which is a lot on a 150kg car.
Small side note about John's story on Jocko Flocko. Tim Flock never had him in a cage in the car, he had a custom race seat installed for Jocko to ride in while he went around the track.
The incident where Jocko attacked him in the car was because Tim Flock had a panel attached to a cord that he would pull to check tire wear while driving. During the race Jocko got loose from his seat and since he saw Tim pull the cord so many times, pulled the cord and opened the panel right as a large pebble came up and smacked him right in the face.
Poor Jocko wasn't freaking out cause he was in a loud race car, he was freaking out cause he got wacked in the face by a rock going probably 70mph
I don't even wanna know what possessed this guy to imprison a live monkey in a NASCAR stock car with him for a 500 mile race. What I really wanna know is how he dealt with piles of monkey crap. Perhaps it was just another cheat, and the monkey threw dung at the windshields of his opponents.
@@robertmaybeth3434 probably had him diapered honestly. I've known people where I live that had pet monkeys that they had diaper trained
@@robertmaybeth3434 I’ve laughed way too much at the image you’ve pictured, honestly this was some South redneck kinda stuff, I don’t think he got bothered too much about monkey crap
Lol. That's hilarious!
@@overbuiltlimited I'm pretty sure hilarious is not the right word here
John is one of the GOATS of Vinwiki!!!
The GOAT
John Ficarra always gets a fast click,
If you’re not first, you’re last!
John is by far the best story teller on here
@@dereckcensner4647 Comments like that make me doubt that you actually watch this channel. I rarely click on his videos because frankly there are way more entertaining people to watch when you want to see a story poorly conveyed by an obnoxious dumbass.
@@dereckcensner4647 Yup, he rarely talks about his experiences, but mostly of his vast historical knowledge. Thats ehy he's so great.
How did you know John was going to be on this episode for you to “click fast?” The thumbnail is a celica not John’s face
@@nataliemadrid5275 Because he was in a previeous video about cheating. Also most of VinWiki's history related videos are with him
Who ever snitched out Toyota is a scumbag lol. If you aint pushing the rulebook you aint trying bro. Great video.
No one snitched, the fia and scruitineers demanded a full tear down instead of just inspection that's how the cheat was found. It was toyotas own fault for turning the boost up at the beginning of the rally, it was a super special with the cars side by side & toyotas shot off & pulled atleast 6-10 car lengths by the first turn on everything.
@@maybenot6075 yeah, but admit it, Juha Kankkunen was screamin in those cars! Took guts to go out there and whip it like he did!
Toyota did the most beautiful jumps of all time and always came down on the rear tires first.
I got the story about the turbo that it was a crashed car that was inspected and it was stuck. Some one did claim that Toyota did have some NITRO in the spare tire at the back and therefor they did have a big and strong guy to change it and that it was his only job........
@@Celician83 completely agree hes an absolute legend of the sport & drove the things to a level way over what they are capable of. He did an interview many years ago (I cant find it, it was on itv here in the uk) and explained how bad the car handled "like a big boat" but the power delivery (he was apparently unaware of the cheating) made up for it. It's also the reason he drove for subaru, after the scandal came out he couldn't believe mcrae & sainz could keep up & even beat it being way down on power. He's got into commentary now and does abit for rally tv aswel which has made him a fan favourite to the younger generation.
@@maybenot6075 I follow a UA-cam channel that takes old recorded VHS's of the 80's and 90's WRC races and upscaled them and posts them, especially the Royal Rally Championship and the Isle of Mann races
John is such a great storyteller. I'm not a big racing fan, but I enjoyed this immensely.
I always click on videos with John, no matter what I’m doing
How did you know tho? I like how they used to show who it was in the thumbnail
@@BillyBob-im7ogthumbnail autoplay i think
Absolutely, same with Chris
Here too. Instantly!
#carcheatseries
Nice v60!
I do love me some creative interpretation of the rules! Enjoy!
As we said in the Corps, "if you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin." 😁
Thanks John! Always remember and Never forget, "This can be Red"
I love the celica gt4, group turned that car into a legend.
I misinterpreted the rules....
So when are those car trek cheaters coming back? lol
I remember the Celica being the heaviest car with the most HP in the old rally video games, I never knew
If you can't trust the physics in a video game, by golly what in this world CAN you trust???
It's also possible they sandbagged (i.e. weighted) the rear bumper, making the rest of the car lighter, knowing that weight would get knocked off...
Or just made it from thicker than required material.
i mean it took out three other cars
The Tyrell got caught not because the shot leaked, but when the car left the pits it did a burnout and basically turned the car into the worlds largest shotgun, firing the led shot against all the mechanics in the pits behind them.
so it leaked, but the others only found the leak because the burnout threw it their way?
The lead shot trick was a favourite of NASCAR too, they'd fill roll cages with it and then release onto the track once the race started.
NASCAR guys were known for loading shot and letting it loose during qualifying. NASCAR has the best and ingenious pushing of the grey areas and flat cheating
Much like the original ground effect cars with fans, they would fling gravel at cars behind them is one of the reasons they originally banned fans and ground effect in f1 for so long.
@@bionicgeekgrrlthat is probably the most untrue comment possible. I can’t find anything you posted to be remotely accurate. Fascinating.
My all time favorite cheat was back in the 70s. Some wiseass shows up to a race with a 23 gallon fuel tank. Scrutineers see this and tell him that fuel tank is too big and he has to replace it. Well, he hems and he haws and curses up a storm and stomps back to the garage and, knowing full well the scrutineers arent going to check the replacement tank, replaces the tank... with one that holds 28 gallons.
I love these stories. I worked at a really high end shop. The top guy (who took forever to get friendly) finally started to open up about his past. He was a crew chief for a privateer 962. He was telling me stories about (not the 962) having camber limits that they would beat by turning 2 degrees into the tire itself on a lathe. Shoving dry ice in places, then panicking because the car sat longer then expected and started to drip. And my favourite was fuel capacity limits they overcame because the rule book never specified *how long the filler hose could be.
FINALLY!!! He tells the Celica GTFour WRC story! Long anticipated! Couldn't believe it wasn't in the first one!
Always loved the ford focus boost tank in the rear bumper
I need as many Ficarra cheating stories as this man can tell. Dude is a legend at storytelling and has all the history knowledge to back it up. MOAR!
It is important to distinguish between a cheat and a creative interpretation of the rules. The latter is cool and awesome while the former is grounds for disqualification and punishment. In the case of Toyota the rules explicitly said that any air entering the engine had to pass through the restrictor. What Toyota did was a incredibly well engineered way of deliberately breaking the rules. The FIA comes down hard on deliberate cheats which is why they were excluded from the WRC. To me the real art in racing is to do something that (when discovered) leads to a changing of the rules because it was so clever.
In 2011 McLaren's F-Duct led directly to the DRS system we have in F1 today. But at the time it wasn't against the rules. It just absolutely wasn't what the FIA had in mind. Plus every team scrambled to make their own version.
Same with hot and cold blowing of the diffuser in F1.
That last story was certainly short, but also the best lol
While you were talking WRC, can't forget about the Ford rear bumper tank the focus had to store/maintain boost.
i love the Schumacher story of the annual driver + helmet weigh in.. it was discovered his helmet was 40kg as it was filled with lead shot. this allowed the driver + car to be a lot lighter :D
the 1984 lotus that had ground effect side skirts - ally sheets were so thin that they would give ground effect on a qualifying lap. just do 1 or 2 cooldown laps after to wear to the min height allowed by the FIA.
for f1 there are just too many to mention.
I could listen to John all day, I love history and I love race cars it checks all the boxes
10:16 - Squoze?...is that a word? 🤣
EDIT: Apparently it is...kinda...it's a "facetious past participle of the verb 'to squeeze'"...well done, Ficarra. Well done.
I do love me a facetious past participle!
@@FicarraClassic Of COURSE you do.
I'd never heard the word before, but I immediately recognised it as an irregular simple-past-tense form of 'to squeeze'. No clue whether it was ever in common use anywhere, but hey I appreciated it. :)
Should note btw, just because you seem like someone who'd be interested: it's simple past tense like "froze", not past participle like "frozen". Though I would be delighted to see "squozen" in the wild sometime. :P
(bonus btw: "smote" and "smitten" have kinda gone their separate ways now, but they were just the past-simple and past-participle forms of 'to smite')
@@FicarraClassic And if you're going to use all the vowels in a single word in order, then it's definitely going to be facetious and not abstemious. :D
@@patheddles4004 Seems like a good way of getting out of a murder investigation. 'Did you do it?' 'No, I was smitten on her.'
I do believe the John Ficarra is the best storyteller and one of the most genuine enthusiasts on VinWiki.
John's stories of racing have the energy of a race with sly technology of the brilliant minds that find a way to win.
We want stories like this. I enjoy listening to them 😊
For our friends that are not very familiar with WRC. It was the round headlight celica that had the turbo cheat, not the pop up headlight model. As both are shown in the video. Also the drivers were unaware of this. You can see them on UA-cam videos being interviewed during the rally and being surprised at well the car performed. Search Corsica wrc 1996
John of course I'm gonna watch
I only watch this channel when it’s John. Love your stories!
I absolutely love hearing these tales and stories. These types of antics and rule bending ideas made racing so exciting. I miss the days when everyone had their own unique ideas and setups. It wasn't just a full field of the same cloned vehicles racing for hours.
John always has the best stories! I love his knowledge of the cars and all the lore with early racing! I could listen to this guy tell stories for a long time!
Love these stories. My Dad was rallying through the 60s, 70s and 80s in Ireland. He failed scrutiny in one Rally, in the 60s, when the Mini Cooper S was missing one crossbeam on the roll cage. They were only intruded that year. So with no time to get a new strut welded in place the got a Plastic Pipe, of the same diameter and similar black colour, and fixed in place with Sticky Tape. Passed scrutiny and off he went Rallying. Them were the days, eh ??? GK.
I don't watch racing. But I love listening to these cheat stories.
Lets see what the rule book DOESNT say,and do that. ❤
It's only cheating if the rules explicitly say you can't do it... The best wins are the ones that have the most creative interpretations of those rules.
Especially when it's the classic "David vs Goliath" underdog tale. Everyone loves a creative and wiley underdog win.
Sometimes breaking the spirit of the competition/rules is looked at very negatively, but if it doesn't hurt anyone else and is clever, it might just be interesting enough to be cool
@@straphyr Yeah I think Toyota should have been given some sort of an extra award for creativity and the regulatory bodies would look so much cooler if they just said "ha, yeah you got us you wiley buggers! Ten points for being cunning, but we know what to look for next year"
Rather than kicking them off the grid.
Only if it doesn't obviously compromise safety. Like the painted wood roll cage
Always love Ficarra's stories!! Such a good story teller, one of the best really, and always such fun/cool/interesting premises.
Reminds me of Honda winning races years ago on the Isle of Man. There was a restriction on tank capacity. Honda used oversize tanks but made of thin alloy. When they crossed the finish line the rider would punch the tank in triumph, thus reducing the capacity back to what it should have been. ECU mods were commonplace. There was no way to check what the ECU programming actually was, the scrutineers could only check the filename. So all that race teams did was change the programming, but use a filename from an approved program.
Smokey Yunick - best "interpreter" of the rules ever
In racing If ya ain’t cheatin ya ain’t eatin
To me it's the fun part, to see what different interpretations of the rules come around.
If your not making the Sanctioning body Examine the rules every time you win. Then you're not thinking creatively enough.
...and why i got out of autox....t
If you ain't cheatin, ya ain't trying.
Bullcrap, we never cheated and won many races. Cheaters are just loosers.
Not even really a motorsports fan, but I could listen to John talk racing all day. His passion comes right through the speakers.
Kenny was such a good man. He dumped a bucket if water on my head by accident when I was like 8, he thought it was my dad walking through the door. I remember crying hysterical, but he's the man
Not me binging the John Ficarra stories playlist last night just to have a new story today. AWESOMEEEEEEEEEE
Gary Nelson saying, “We had no idea”. I can’t stop laughing. You didn’t mention the hidden fuel in the trunk bulkhead. Nelson told that story on TV many years ago. On the TV show Car Crazy Sam Posey told the story of his Trans-Am Challenger that was a collection of cheats from one end to the other. Hilarious stuff.
I always love hearing these stories about ingenuous cheating. Having teched a few spec Miatas in my day, I've seen some pretty good cheats in my days
The Focus 03 WRC Car with an air tank in rear bumper is another…
I first heard about the Toyota on BOM, thanks for filling in the rest of the story.
Back in 2003, WRC Ford Focus had a boost tank installed in the rear bumper to prevent anti-lag, absolutely genius
@Pauu3R I mean... technically, all air entering the engine came in through the restrictor on the turbo.
Look at what non cheating WRC car air ducting looks like. Very very large diameter tube between the intercooler and throttle body. The tube is shaped to be square edged at the inlet and tapered (well, donut shaped) at the outlet... so the air only wants to flow out in one direction, so it stores boost when you snap off the throttle and back on. Takes up a bit less space than a 30l tank in the rear bumper too!
John F. It’s good to see you back in the Vinwiki chair
Alfa Romeo's cheat for the British Touring Car (BTCC) was excellent, they knew that you could only run cars that were actually sold, so they made a number of specials that had recessed slots and groves where the rear spoiler could be raised from and allowed for angle adjustments. they also had a hidden front splitter under the front bumper which if you loosened the bolts you could push the leading edge forwards.
Now for the first few races no-one noticed or realised that was what was happening until a couple of the rivals got their hands on a car and rushed in a complaint. It did get banned for the rest of the season and Alfa started losing races almost immediately as a result. But what happened was for the following season new rules came in to allow after market aero on the cars.
Saw the title and knew it'd be a Ficarra one. Love your stories mab
these are the best ...... we need more stories like these from John
Love these.
I'd heard the Toyota one previously.
One has to admire it.
Pure genius. So simple, so obvious, so invisible.
The irony is that the actual best cheats aren't on this list because they were never discovered.
I love the cheating/innovation stories with stick car racing.
I grew up around dirt stick cars and have seen alot of cheating/innovation.
A good one i have is a chassis builder built a fuel injected engine that looked like at used a carburetor - not legal in dirt late model stock car racing.
Fuel rails and injectors were integrated into the under side of the intake in a way that they were harder to notice if you didn't know what you were looking for.
The carb basically worked as a throttle body as the fuel injectors controlled the fuel mixture - gave you better throttle responce, more hoursepower and torque.
It had a problem when starting as you needed a squirt bottle to spray in the bowls of the carb (fuel was not plumbed to the carb).
A person i know fixed to problem with starting by running a secondary pump to pump fuel to the jets in tue carb when starting the car.
The person who figured out the fix got to run the engine for a while but was told "don't get caught and dont be too dominant".
Had an amazing season with the engine - won a few races but was always in the top 5 that year.
A more modern one is Ferrari got caught /fined in F1 when they designed the ECU in the car to synchronize with the sensor that FIA uses to limit fuel flow into the engine. They designed the system to deliver more fuel to the engine when the sensor “wasn’t looking” by timing larger bursts of fuel in sync with the sampling rate of the sensor. It such a high tech cheat. It must have taken a large team of very smart people to pull it off. Hilarious.
Ohhh yess, another cheaters' story video! Today is a good day. Please make more of these !!!
This is one of my favorite vids. Incredibly interesting history there.
This guy tells a good story, always engaging.
When SCCA went from Showroom Stock to IT (International Touring) classes, one of the best "cheats" was to split the car under the rear seat area, take a "porta power" and stretch the car, then fill in thr gap. This allowed a slightly wider tire to be installed, giving the obvious advantage..
I remember the bumber controversy, my teachers were even talking about in school the next day.
Filling the cage with birdshot for weigh in, was my favorite DiGard story.
Jacko Flaco? More like Chad Flaco 😎
The Celica GT4 is one of my favorite cars of all time, and I love that story but Toyota stopped running it after that which sucks, tho it supposedly ran by some privateers. The ST205 is so frickin cool.
I love that Toyota story. It was from a time when Toyota was an interesting manufacturer.
Not "racing" but still competitive motorsports, in truck pulls, we are limited in engine size depending on class and they test this with a flow machine in the pits. One popular cheat is to put a couple cigarette butts into the combustion chamber through the spark plug holes to make it appear much smaller that it is in actuality. And of course, once you start the engine, they blow out the exhaust and are gone lol
I totally agree with all these other similar comments that John is one of the best storytellers on Vinwiki!❤
This series is so bloody good.
my fave is the McLaren Fduct not a real cheat just bloody ingenious
I was on teams for a while. Teams started to try this again in the 2010’s. NASCAR then made a rule that said the had to have the bumper cover on at all times and made teams start to have extra ones they could rivot or tape on if they were involved in a crash. If you didn’t have a spare or couldn’t get it to stay on, you didn’t go back out on track.
Please keep these coming, I am a consumer of ALL racing cheating story content!
One of the best videos in a long time
More Ficarra content please!
I love how ficarra tells his stories
This is exactly the kind of content I come to this channel for. Plus, John is such an amazing story teller. #Moreofthis
One of my favorites is Volvo with their BTCC 850 head, but my absolute favorite is what Lancia was doing in rally during their 037 era to try and beat Audi, they were manipulating the conditions of full stages etc, lol.
It's always good fun when John sits in VinWIki chair!
I had a friend who started work for Brands Hatch Racing when it was owned by John Foulston of Atlantic Computers.He then got head hunted to go to Tyrrell and he told me that they used do things like putting nitrogen into the tyres when qualifying instead of air or changing the onboard fire extinguisher system for an empty bottle or having a nose cone which was so heavy that it needed 2 techs to lift because it had lead sheets built into the GRP ie more weight -more front downforce.He's now at Williams....
Where have you been John? Love your stories ❤
Great stories John, keep em coming
Love the videos! Always the first thing i search! Keep it up :) Love from ireland
this content is why I'm here, awesome work once more!!!
Ficarra is always an immediate thumbs up on the video before it begins
Smokey Yunick’s reverse rotation Hudson Hornet ranks up there with some of the best stories as well.
Creativity abounds!
I worked with a rallycross team in France at the world championships at Loheac a few years back and was told that the chief scrutineer there for the FFSA had been a mechanic involved with the 95 Toyata team at the time of this scandal! Similar side note to the Nascar bumper.
Thank you for making another cheater video, my friends and I loved your first one and listened to it multiple times. Your new video made my day
MORE CHEATS VIDEOS! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!
I saw the Celica's compete at the RAC Wales stages in '95 and unsurprisingly, they were noticeably faster than the competition.
Toyotas most successful competitor at the time, Lancia, was also doing some fine cheats... so every rallye car needs a fire extinguishing system. You'd want one that goes to the engine bay to fight fires there, right? Some fires might originate like around the intake and the fuel rails, you will certainly want to install some extinguisher lines going there to spray right into the intake. And also fire extinguishers need to be replaced, no questions asked, it's a safety requirement to not use out of date ones, right? "How commendable, they're taking safety seriously" you'd think when you see the mechanics would replace them at pretty much every stage. Guess what was in some of those extinguisher bottles... Yes, NOS.
The story I heard about the Celica, was that the engineers noticed a difference when the car was started. They heard the turbo spooling from the get-go
My favorite cheat is the Brabham BT-46 Fan Car. It was for cooling! Right………
So torn… Simultaneously so happy this story is being told (especially by John!). But I’m so torn because the Celica is one of the last affordable JDM legends and I want one! 😂
Cheating in motorsports is/was most prevalent in the entry level "watch this for new talent" classes though, or if turbos on production cars were involved - formula Vee, Renault 5, Porsche 944 cup... if inhibiting a wastegate would gain 50 or 100hp, guess what people did... or in the higher classes of motorsports, where consumption became a factor - Le Mans has seen some mind-boggling splits in fuel consumption between cars in the same team, with the winning car performing better than all others of the same type even. It's almost like some fuel was moved from the slower to the faster driver by means of the overflow catchtank.
I loved my #80 of 150 Group A GT4 with the water to air intercooler. It was a shite load better than the normal gt4s. Internals all forged. Suspension ralleye spec, bigger and faster spooling turbo, injectors massive, gearbox. Heck everything mechanical was fricken amazing..
The default boost was only 7psi. My buddy mechanic spent 3 days with a good old power fc and hand controller. Ended up dialing it in to 22psi and for 10 years before I moved to Canada it never had a single issue. Yet, scares the shite out of passengers when using the 'no lag max power mode' he programmed. Click onto that with brake down. Turbo and revs go up wastegate closed, fuel popping and zoom. Fkn flew. Did the qtr mile in 10.2s and that was with a pretty average launch.
Funny thing was every one of the 150 sold had something unique. Mine was the internals after he took the head apart and saw it looked damn new. Either way, bit of a spring clean, upgraded the seals and pipes, hoses etc. Mine had the big brakes exact as the rallye versions. Had to get custom pads as it was an odd size.
Managed to get almost 300 all wheel kw on the dyno. Take away 30% loses that's almost 400 kilowatt on all four tyres. When took it in barely made 150kw.
Was nerfed hard with the ECU for consumers.
Just needed that changed. Use proper race spec oils. Solid tune. And a few things like the brake duct cooling blocked removed. . Zoom. 530 horses or 700hp at the engine.
Can't believe I Sold it for $13k and a r32 gtr vspec II imported from Japan in 2005 for $22k..
Both were mint. But as moved from Australia to Canada.. did Masters in Geotechnical engineering, got married the less than $40k was required.
Argh. I sold my e46 2006 similarly after the divorce was settled back in 2019 and had it for two years after moving back to Aus. Sold it for $20k as needed coin asap.. figured I'd just buy another after.
Then Covid, lost job yada yada now these cars are so damn expensive.
Who the heck would have thought living in Melbourne after almost a decade in Canada. Prices would go up instead of down for housing, rent and old cars. By a shite load.
I got a 2015 Golf R. It's great, is a practical car when it comes to good fuel economy when daily driving and a decent beast off the road. But I don't have that love that these cars had. The ability to turn off all electronic aids, with hydraulic power steering, traction control ability to completely disable, the sound and feel that allowed you to feel exactly its limits.
Sure, can turn off almost all with my mk7 golf r with an extra long hold of the dsc button but it's still a bit hand holding.
The GTR unplug a fuse, rwd. Heck when I bought it and got to drive it to my mechanic when it passed compliance. It was about 180kw. Running 8pi (gentleman's rule in Japan for max 206kw).
Like the Supra, 300zx TT etc but a yellow cable plugged into the ecu from near the turbo and boost went up to 15psi.. and the slug heavy feel went away.
After a mear $4k, upgrade intercooler, complete computer re-tune and 500kw like it was nothing..
Just pump 98 fuel.. with a couple pod filters and ooo that engine sounded nice sucking in the air and the injectors zipping away throwing in fuel and watching my fuel gauge go down after a brisk 10mins of hills driving on a cool crisp night.
Yet, my favourite car of all time is a surprise. The first import from Japan. A grade 4.7/5 180sx Type X. With Pearl white sparking. Smelt and drove brand new.
Originally 120rwkw and $8k later 240rwkw and weighted 900kg. Rear wheel drive manual.
Never seen one as clean and nice as that.
Sadly, the same night I had taken it in to get a quote for its final upgrade of coil overs. They change the oil but only hand screwed the sump plug in. So, the car club and I went for our Friday night hills run. Car behind me calling me, but couldn't hear it cos the rocketing of the car. Super stable when built for cornering, and reliable speed, white smoke pouring out. Boom steering wheel Locked all lights came on. Rear wheels locked up and bam! Into the side of the mountain, airbag.. then eventually a slow rolling backwards. My back when into full spasm mode. Pulled the handbrake. Hunched over expecting to be dead. Rear wheels 1 inch from the edge down many hundred meters down the cliff. No guard rail.
A few weeks in the spinal ward. 6 months neck collar. Physo. But alas. Investigation saw all the oil under car, on wheels and no sump plug.
The place went under after sueing expecting them to have insurance. Got $60k with almost $40k going the lawyer. Fkn sucks.
Finally, after the perfect subtle upgrades to make it a fkn quick car and can be economical when not boosting. Nimble beauty. That was 2006.. bought it basically new from a import dealer in South Australia for $15k with actual service records, not a drift car and even a photo of the 50ish yr old next to it in the service history. Never seen rain. The perfect car to build from.
Then be the e46 m3 2nd to last month of manufacture. Every single time put fuel in it, at the lights, go to a cafe at least someone would come over to say that is the nicest m3 they had seen. All I did with that was replace all parts that wear. Did full services and upgrade the brakes. (Handly mates with the Mechanic directly across the road). If I couldn't sleep. I'd go in my garage and turn it on. Open the hood and just listen to the engine. Put my hand on it. Ha oh man. I am lucky to have owned these cars and paid very reasonable money to get them. Compared to today! But sigh, I'd never be able to get a car like them again. Unless lotto. I'd get a 1995 Porsche 911 Turbo. .. and a new Porsche Targa turbo in Cherry Red.
Thanks John for another great video.
Forgot probavly the most significant cheat of all: the Toyota GT1 race car putting the fuel tank inside the mandatory trunk space. It worked and at the time was completely legal. Though the rules were changed for the following year.
Maybe next time you could do a video about all the cheats and loopholes in Super Touring. That was a _wild_ place to find funny shit.
What a stories!!! Haven’t laughed so much at car stories for a while.
I love this guy. He's the only reason I subbed this channel