New Lore For Tilea & Estalia In Warhammer The Old World - Warhammer Fantasy
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- We have a HUGE lore dump in the rulebook regarding Estalia, Tilea, the Border Princes and even some ARABY lore. This is quite exciting as it does seem Games Workshop is hyping them up as possible armies for Warhammer The Old World! Let's discuss
Interestingly they also call these areas the Southern Kingdoms while still associated with the Dogs of War. Was kinda hoping the name Southern Realms would catch on!
New Lore For Tilea & Estalia In Warhammer The Old World - Warhammer Fantasy
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15:11 You could try the Duchies of Vinci from One Page Rule.
For Fortune! For Glory! For Myrmidia!
Soldiers of Tilea second to none! Wrath of the skaven brought to a halt!
I will not lie ... chances of your survival are small
Damn... I was getting ready to say this
This opens up a lot of lore possibilities. Cultures, armies, stories. The big question will be: will GW convert these into models/rules/novels? Let’s hope so!
The lore possibilities were always there and GW never did anything (besides Dogs of War and an article on Estalia in White Dwarf Spain).
Brunner the bounty hunter books take place mostly in tilea, the border princes and the border forts of brettonia near the empire
@@heraissilly Yep, and I loved those books.
They also seem to have added some new humans to the Southlands. Noticed the Athiopos Tribes which are probably a Warhammer version of Ethiopia. Some named tribes in Araby as well.
Would be nice to have an Aksum inspired nation in warhammer fantasy.
@@MrSafiorA faction inspired by South African cultures would be awesome. Like a collection of kingdoms who ended up being the only humans that the old ones entrusted with fulfilling the great plan.
@@gudboah4688 It's imply that the Tomb King were greatly influenced by Lizardman culture.
Personaly in addition of african-like human state, I wich we have a couple of non human factions.
Africa have a ton of unexplore myth that will integrate perfectly in a fantasy setting.
I just want a Don Quixote inspired Legendary Lord from Estalia who's an old dude inspired by Bretonnia to be all Chivalrous and stuff.
That is a lofty wish. I fear you may just be tilting at windmills 😢
with actual windmill giants in his army, that is giants with big cloth and wood wings
That could make for a very good novel
No idea about their intentions. But both armies have potential.
Estalia:
-Myrmidia female elite warriors, "holy virgin Mary" tradition. Maybe an "angelical" female hero. Similar to Adepta Sorotitas. Also Knights of the Blazing Sun since they are canon.
-Strong on Morr with the Inquisition, with a creepy aesthetic, expert combatants against necromancers and pagans.
- "Montante" (Huge spanish zweihander) Morr warriors = See "Blasphemous" videogames. With "Semana Santa"/Holy week tradition.
- Heavy armoured war dogs, like the ones that spanish empire used to have.
- Bull herders (See San Fermín festivities) and Bull knights.
- Matador (Anti-monster unit, inspired on bullfighters)
- Duelists
- Conquistadors (some of them with Lustrian mounts)
- Meigas (Forest witches from the celtic part of spain)
- Plague doctors (Spanish plague hello) support unit. Enemies of clan Pestilens.
- From the mythological side, i would leave the roman mythology to Tilea, and i would embrace the Iberian/Christian one. Angels, Dragons, Stone giants/giants... there are a lot.
- And of course tercio formation, pikes, and ambushers/partisans (hello Napoleon).
- Notable characters to be represented: El Cid Campeador, Diego García de Paredes, Queen Isabel, Blas de Lezo, Don Quijote, Hernán Cortés...
Tilea:
- Just imagine what can you do here if you offer them the entire greek/roman mythology to them.
I could put a lot of things. But just use your imagination.
- Greek/Roman aesthetic warrior style. This never gets old.
- Da Vinci crazy machines. Heavy on technology. Like dwarfs. They must have the most advanced human technology.
- Masked assassins (Venice style)
- Very big and fat popes of Myrmidia, in counterpart to Estalia. And special guard. "Like vatican guard".
- Notable characters: Leonardo Da vinci, Giulio Cesare, Dante Alighieri, Galileo Galilei...
For the mythological side of Estalia, you could add the Mourous and make them an offshot of the Dwarfs, with a focus on more traditional fighting style then their more technilogical northen cousins.
Who the stone giant already, I vaguely remenber a legend aboot a castel builder giant, who in some artwork is represented has being in stone, but I forget his name.
For the Montanate nake them Verenians. Verena already has the Sword of justice as one of her symbols.
@@MrSafior That´s cool. About the giants, there are several stories. For example in the mediterranean side of the Iberian peninsule, there´s a legend about good giants who were the sons of the mountain itself and helped the "Bearded King" against an evil usurper: Tombatossals, Arrancapins, Bufanuvols, Tragapinyols.
Their names translated are: Hillblaster, Pineplucker, Cloudblower, Pitswallower.
As an Iberian??? Never heard that flawless english from a spanish or Portuguese... Quite impressed!! You got my subscription just for that
I'm Gibraltarian :) British but without the negatives... like living in Britain!
When you say that you tet funny, giddy frelings about Estalia and it hitting close to home, I totally get the same vibes from Cathay. Im not super stoked about the immortal dragons that effectively have removed the warlord eras China was known for, but im still just happy to see something I can just point at with some familiarity and resonance
I've got great hopes for Cathay, considering the potential it has with Chinese audiences. Hopefully the dragon primarchs thing will only be a part of it, and we get something about the mortals and their culture, too.
They've mentioned constant rebellions, right? There's room for human characters in that.
I get the exact same feeling as a Chinese studies student and on the point of removing the warlord periods. What I have noticed is we seem to have only really gotten the propaganda version of Cathay. The everything is harmonious and we are so good at defeating and pushing out Chaos and have no major rivals or rebellions which is the position the Dragons want but having read the short story the Master of the Meteor Wind it implies that this really is just a facade and Cathay has just as much problems with cults of all kinds and the Dragon Children have been known to fight each other at times not to mention various lords and kings pledged to the Dragon Emperor doing their own thing, like the Monkey King. So I think we will get a Cathay with more problems in the future and plenty of warlord eras.
I got excited for Warhammer 3 Immortal Empires because it meant I could colonize Lustria playing as Estalia (Southern Realms mod by Cataph). I think I have an obsession with the Golden Century of Spain.
Tell me about it, apart from Ogre Kingdoms, Estalia is all I care about!
I'd love to see the day where (my) Estalian Conquistadores clash against Lizardmen and Tomb Kings
I really wish the Dogs of War would have gotten a Legacy Faction book covering the southern region. I am not convinced that Tilea and Estalia have enough different between them to give them each unique armies since even the lore mentions they use similar tactics. But Dogs of War would be able to be customized to fit a players fantasy when making a Tilean or Estalian army. They could even be used within the Border Princes as well.
Making Estalia and Tilea feel different is going to be a real challenge for the developers when it comes to a Southern Kingdoms book. Estalia as a more traditionalist pike/crossbow/cav army with some naval flare, and Tilea as more of an explorer and arts/inventions style?
The vibe I get is that each country feeds into it's neighbors.
Estalia is sandwhiched between Brettonia and Tilea, and as such is a mixture of both - a decentralized network of petty kingdoms and fiefdoms that co-operates in general terms for their mutual benefit. They borrow the infantry formations of Tilea and the Cavalry formations of Brettonia (those famed horses probably migrated down the coastline in herds from Brettonia after the elves left, assuming there weren't elven colonies in Estalia as well). The Pike and Crossbow troops is a reference to the famous Spanish Tercio. Tercio's were one of the earliest forms of combined arms as well as professional armies (post roman collapse) as they were made up of professional volunteers rather than levies or hired mercenaries. Brettonia makes use of levies, Tilea exclusively mercenaries.
Tilea, sandwiched between Estalia and the Border Principalities, is even more decentralized. Unlike Estalia which leans heavily on cavalry, it utilizes professional mercenary armies as well as irregulars such as the pirates of sartosa or skirmishers from the mountains and borderlands. Like the borderlands it's a place of adventure and opportuntiy, but also of familial connections and trade acumen like Estalia.
The Borderlands is an odd one out due to being the melting pot of the world with influences from across the old world, very much a points of light/kitchen sink portion of the map. However it's immediate neighbors (in terms of humans) are Tilea and the Empire, and as such likely draws on a motley of influences from both.
I can't really see Estalia, Tilea, or the Borderlands each being made into seperate factions however I believe an argument could be made for a 'Southern Kingdom's catchall faction that includes units and influences from all three. Units could be differentiated by special rule tags applied to him, such as [Tilean] or [Estalian] or [Professional] or [Mercenary] or [Outlaw]. these tags could cause special effects to other troops. For instance [Mercenary] troops traditionally fight harder next to a Paywagon, but you probably don't want your [Outlaw] Brigands standing next to it.
The dogs of war?
I'm sure there was minis 20 years ago In the dogs of war faction that came from all these kingdoms! They had massive spears, pirates and cav? 🤔
Tilea was more dogs of war because real life italy was mercenary heavy by rich city states
@dafq9149 right either way the dogs of war needs 2 return, there was alot of units from small factions like these.
But I dnt think whole armies from these kingdoms will be made, shame tho
I could see the two sharing some units, with Tilea having more tech and weird mercenaries like the Birdmen, Estalia having more of a cavalry focus and the border princedoms specializing in skirmishers and guerilla warfare. That said, since all 3 regions are noted several times to be very heavy on mercenaries, you would have the same core. A bit like - if we were to give the Total War equivalent - you have the faction packs of Rome 2 / Attila. You have similar cultures and a similar roster, but each faction has its own special units. In The Old World, what might be core or special for Tilea could be rare in Estalia, and so on.
Can't thank you enough for covering these. Everyone ignores Estalia and Tilea, but these guys are my favorites. Hopefully you do more.
I am already making an Estalian army. This is good even to just see. I use allot of 3d print and wargames Atlantic miniatures.
Do have a list of what you are using?
Would love army's for estalia and tilea.
I personally love the fan made concepts for estalia
For Tilea you can still look at the Duchies of Vinci from One Page Rule.
you also personally love the concept of deez nuts
Hope there is more lore of araby in the book there is 4 citys in there and i really want to play as them great work again cant wait for next vid
Man I hope they do southern kingdom armies. I too want some updated birdmen of catrazza. Wouldn't mind seeing some of Leo's other crazy inventions added in either.
I have the old models of the bird men.
That’s going back a few years.
I find the southern realms super interesting, especially Tilea. I’ve been hoping they decide to treat the Old World like a history tour, jumping time periods each edition or narrative arc. That way we could see the invasion of Estalia by Arab along with the combined retaliation of Tilea, Brettonia and the Empire.
IF they do a tilean or estalian army, i may get into. I love history based low fantasy with some springles of faith and ruthlesness.
If they don't have at least of couple of fantastical units.
Then what the point ?
Just play an historical wargamme then.
@@MrSafiorthat’s what low fantasy is. Historically based with a sprinkle of fantastical stuff.
@@gaslighter9299 Wasn't low fantasy more like: There only human, magie exist but it's extremely rare and dragon may or not have existed long time ago.
Man, oh man - I've always wanted a coherent Tilean army with heavy augmentation, but not total representation with Dogs of War units.
It would be an AMAZING book that could introduce Tilea and Estalia, and reintroduce Skaven and the Lizardmen in a book that focuses on the explorers of the New World - and maybe include some cheeky amazons to boot! (We could hope)
I know I'm repeating, but you could still look at Duchie of Vinci from One Page Rule.
@@MrSafior It's not the rules, but the models I would want ;)
@@Ksennie Look at theirs miniatures then.
@@MrSafior I have, and they are great designs! But I'm not a resin guy, I like kit bashing too much, and plastic kits make that a lot more easy than resin. If they can get a deal with the likes of Wargames Atlantic to produce them in plastic, maybe as a kickstarter like footsore did with their Roman civilians/gladiator kit I'd be really keen on them.
@@Ksennie You could use other material if you want it.
A catchall 'Southern Kingdom's' Faction that could include troops from these many regions seems very feasible from a mechanical as well as narrative perspective. This would essentially be the dogs of war but with standardized troop types rather than just regiments of renown, differentiated in their origins and culture by rule tags. [Mercenary] being self explanatory, [Outlaw] for hired on irregulars, [House Troop] for more loyal soldiers equipped and maintained by the actual character/faction, [Templar] for religious orders etc.
This would also help for customization because your motley of troops could all be locally sourced (unified paint scheme) or could come from any number of places in the Southern Kingdoms (everyone is different)
GW didn't sell Old World on Spanish neither Italian, so I don't expect our WH counterparts either. And the Influence of Arab, Morocco and Berber legacy is up to the North (Benicassim for p.e).
Them mentioning both Araby and the restless undead gives me some hope for future stuff, even if it's just pure cope at the moment
I'm coping really hard here, but I think there's a reason why the legacy factions are being left outside the development of the old world: They're planning on completely overhauling each and every single one of them.
I know it's some hard cope, but imagine each of the main Vampiric bloodlines having their own special rules and army supplements. It's most certainly never gonna happen, but it would be legendary if it did.
@@guimts8881 there's even implications that the 2 lost bloodlines in Ind and Cathay will appear as a serious thing either as a part of Cathay and Ind or seperate. We have confirmation of the Jade Blooded at least.
Both Tilea and Estalia are quite interesting. Pike and crossbow armies, with Tilea having more gunpowder and technological marvels while Estalia has more cavalry and overall leadership. Hope Araby and Ind come to the spotlight as well!
A new pirate "army" around sartosa would be amazing, or the amazons
Shame that they didn't drop some names of Estalia/Tilea rulers(not counting Border princes) from that era...
I'd love a greco-roman renassance styled hoplite / legionarie force to come out of Tilea. It'd be amazing.
Really exited for estalia! I hope we get more stuff on them. I plan on making my bretonia army themed around them
Here's to hoping they do flesh out the southern kingdoms rather than doing a one catch all.
I'm 90% sure the reason they did not include armies like Lizardmen is so they can spend dev time on things like this
Personally I wouldn't mind if they toned down on the really off the wall stuff in favor on developing the human factions because that's honestly my favorite part about Warhammer fantasy is the idea of human cultures and mythologies being put against each other and also again more classic fantasy elements. I do hope they eventually add them back to the game though
All the effort and time to come up with an upgrade sprue for the ones they already sell for Aos to fit whatever thematic difference they introduce
Or they could plagerize what One Page Rule have done with the Duchies of Vinci.
@@gstellar96 I'm sorta the opposite. I can't wait for Cathay and Kislev, but I'd also like some more non-human factions like the (maybe) Beastmen run Kingdoms of Ind and the Kuresh Snakemen. And maybe a newer non human race from one of the regions without a big presence of races that live elsewhere, like the Southlands and Naggaroth. Maybe birdmen like creatures akin to North American natives? Or finally some Southern African representation in history for the Southlands?
You guys have your hopes way too up now. GW is reviving a format they've already had to get rid of in the past because it didn't sell enough minis, they don't want to include the factions that are present in AoS, all the minis are more than 20 years old, but you're hoping for several new factions with new ranges of minis?
You guys are going to get disappointed.
GW has been talking about made to order for a few updates now. Although I suspect the next faction will be Dwarfs, O&G, or Empire, it wouldn't surprise me if Dogs of War range was launched as a made to order faction so everyone has mercenaries out of the gate. They would be printing money and they know it.
I wan't Kislev treatment for the Tilea&Estalia for TWW3 (playable factions)
Its very nice too see things like Araby not being scrubbed away and having it be a possible intro to alot of factions. I hope we see south kingdoms before we see Cathy but i doubt that.
Reading lore with wacky history work's differently for us Scandinavians, norska ain't the same really... I hope they flesh them out so they aren't just half naked monkeys living in a land they should leave.
Andalusian horses are considered some of the best from my understanding.
Como mola estalia
the alternative army list for Bretonnian Exiles seems like it'd really support Southern Kingdom stuff. curious what the Empire alts will be, I think between the two (and allies) there's a lot of options
I hope to see some Non-Human Border Princes.
And why not some non-human species living in Tilea and Estalia.
You could easly create a new Dwarf or Elf faction/ethnicity if you take inspiration for actual Spanish/Italian foklore.
In older lore, there were Border Princes of Several Races. @@MrSafior
@@ShadowWolfRising I would not be surprised if that Jarl guy is in fact a Dwarf.
I have made units of Warhames Atlantic Conquistadors’ pikemen (aka Spearmen without shields), Greatswords, Swordsmenand kitbashed Militia. They will be fighting as Bretonnian and Empire units and probably as Mercenaries when I learn more about that faction.
REALLY hoping for an Ogre mercenary unit so I can use my Golfag's unit...😁
We the Iberians were known for our horses and our fierce cavalry warriors even in the times of Roman rule... the tradition of horses here is as hold as the land it self 😉
15:15 I don't think you're likely to see the Birdmen updated for TOW. Given that the birdmen gliders were supposedly invented by Daddallo. And he hasn't been born yet.
So, much like the Celestial Hurricanum, they will probably be excluded on the grounds that they haven't been invented yet.
Nah they would change lore to fit it. Kinda like how now we have many Steam Tanks for some reason
It would be cool to have focus on the Southern Realms with Dogs of War Army and Araby and Vampire Coast and Tomb Kings seem like they could part of the old world.
I dont care whether GW supports Dogs of War or not. Im definitely creating a Mercenary Pike & Shot Army.
I wonder if a lot of this lore was written early when they were still thinking that the game would be all new factions, before they decided to go the current route? The earliest Almanacks were about a Kislev army, etc.
I would love to see a new "Southern Realms" army, but I wouldn't want to see old Dogs of War models with outrageous prices.
I really hope gw doesn't do a tilean vs lizardmen box for The old world. My financial situation will never recover from that.
I dnt think they will make armies 4 these kingdoms but the boxset kitbash idea is a good idea, create a boxset of spearmen and a boxset of crossbowmen and then a upgrade kit 4 each kingdom 4 people create there own 🤔 and even a horsemen boxset
One of my biggest anticipations for TWW3
Maybe it will come as Empire variant in The Empire Journal. Bretonnia already have some sub-faction in this region so why not the Empire.
Dogs of War veteran, I think this shws promise for the future!
Dogs of war sold well. Silly to not include them.
They might be added in the future I guess. They are still their own Southern Realms race in the total war games like Kislev used to be so there is a chance. Only time will tell.
*Stereotypical hand gestures intensify* 8:48
Aren't the border princes basically part of the natural battleground in a Tomb Kings v Britonia campaign?
do you guys think we will get lore for ind araby and nippon and the more unkown factions?
If Ind is introduc in Total War, yeah it's sure that we will get lore in Old World.
did they say anything about the minor factions? i have read that they already had MASSIVE problems with cathay because of the lack of art design and stuff like that.
or what are the news about it?@@MrSafior
Well they have been a leak aboot a motion cap artist, who have updated her IMDB Page were with the mention of Tigerman for Warahmmer Total War 3, Loremaster of Sotke have made a video aboot it @@dazerrazer3018
This is quite exciting!
A Map!!! MY KINGDOM FOR A MAP!
They said no Legacy list for Dogs of war but nothing about not redoing them as a full list...
I hope we get armies for both, could do with some more human factions as those are very popular 🤞
I want a Tilean army with Dawi Submariners
So Tilea is New Jersey?
How would they be different from empire ?
What about Miragliano?
GIMME TERTIOS IN WARHAMMER STYLE !
Nathan, I am really sorry Dogs of War won't be a playable faction, I have fond memories of playing them.
They said no Legacy lust for Dogs of war but nothing about nit redoing them as a full list...
Shame they aren't doing a legacy list for Dogs of War - seems a dis-service to older fans. DOW were only of the two Warhammer armies I collected back in the day.
Dogs of war comeback?👀
Some of this reminds me of the Warhammer Armies Project.
Too bad they did not talk about the best city in all of Tilea: Miragliano!
Sigh, even this time Estalia and Tilea are just mercenary factions. Especially for Tilea, I really dislike the fact they insist on the renaissance theme, when we could have instead something roman inspired!
There are several wargames featuring Rome already. You even have Warhammer Ancient Battles or however it was called.
GW had to discontinue Fantasy because the minis were really hard to copyright and everyone could make proxies. Every single faction heavily based on something historical will have the same problem.
Like, the Empire?
@@San_Vito They try so hard to maintain a monopoly.
If they continue to play this dumb this will only make more advertisement for their concurrent, who are way more lineant.
I hope the Bloody Baron, mercenary lord of a desperate border region, doesn't have a wife.
I though Albion was the first settled land by humans?
Does this mean we will get these factions in Total War Warhammer 3?
Well we already have files for Tilean LL's and they also mentioned in an interview with a Russian newspaper doing only Immortal Empires DLC so very possibly.
@@gilesbarnes7456 how many LL's do we have files for? and do we know if they will be part of DoW or their own factions?
@@TheTurbanatore we have files on 2: Borgio the Besieger and Lucrezzia Belladonna which are both Tilean characters. Now whether those are 2 LL of a Tilean faction or whether those are DOW or southern realms I can't say. But personally I think we may be seeing them as part of their own Tilean, faction seeing as there is apparently Norscan Tech specialising in fighting specifically Tileans which as atm Tilea is just a minor Empire clone with 3 settlements suggests that CA plans to make something of them in time.
@@gilesbarnes7456 but could the files be other things like character lines and references? We have lines talking about ind, but we all know GW won’t give CA the rights to do an ind army
@@TheTurbanatore they possibly could be character lines and references although I doubt that seeing as there are no quotes from or about them in loading screens or any other references to them currently in game. Also where did you hear that GW won't give the rights to do an Ind army? I mean, Ind is on the map, there's lots of references to them including a Cathayan trade caravan location in Ind and they have a mocap actor doing Tigermen actions on IMDB. Before Cathay came out I would agree with you that it seems far fetched but honestly they have made Vampire Coast and Cathay as playable factions I think at this point anything is possible.
Portugal (Estalia) finally getting its representation in Warhammer!
I like this lore, but feel like I expect to see people complaining about the real world stereotypes
so finally... araby is no longer referenced, thank god.... it bothered me a lot when people talked about DoW or Southern Realms and always include Araby. rediculous
I am confused. Are you British or Spanish? 🤔
Maybe if he was from Gibraltr he could say both?
Oh I guessed correctly scroll down a bit and he confirms it/
'Dogs of War are now rooted in Tilea.'
Boooooooooooo!
I'd really rather not replace the 7 dumped fantasy races with MOAR MEDIEVAL HUMANS
What is the purpose of this? Isn't the end times happened and the world is ended? I thought it was done with the purpose of not working on it all these years. Did gw thought they can make more money from old world or something?