2 Lesser Known Vampire Bloodlines in Warhammer - Jade-Blooded & Mahtmasi
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- Vampires are a big threat in Warhammer and we know of the main 5 bloodlines but did you know there were more? Let's discuss what we know from various sources and the potential future!
2 Lesser Known Vampire Bloodlines in Warhammer - Jade-Blooded & Mahtmasi
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Going intol some weird grey area of the lore but hey these videos are always the most fun to make so why not :D
Canon in warhemmer is like tzzench always changing always evolving 😅
My hope is that the Jade Blood get added to the Vampire Coast instead of Vampire Counts or Cathay. VCounts already has enough trouble fully representing the 5 Bloodlines it has now. They don't need any more added to their plate. Meanwhile, VCoast needs new content.
The current minor faction the Dead Flag Fleet and their leader Zheng Shih is an obvious reference to real life Chinese pirate admiral Zheng Yi Sao and her "Red Flag Fleet". I'd love to see them get fleshed out into a real faction and LL.
Aren't there new vampire units for a vampire cult in aos or warcry?
Thanks for your great videos! I like that you discuss this topics. I just wonder why you choose only the non-canon names. The Nagash novel series, that features Neferatas court in Lahmia quiet intensive, is (I guess) canon and does provide interesting names too. In this case especially Naamia, since she is originally from Cathay and the novel indicates that she was going back there, shortly before the fall of Lahmia. I would like to see here, more so than a non-canon addition. What do you think about this possibility?
The mathamasi seem the most interesting to me personally
On the Jade Blooded I think it would be interesting to have a Jade Blooded Legendary Lord who is all about getting shit done with the rest of your lords being some kind of Wight Undead or Mortal necromancer servant. Would be a more interesting play style.
Instead of Ind vampires, Mahtmasi could be a very interesting horde vampire faction, building their own moving tent cities across Araby, the badlands, and the trade routes near Zar Nagrund. It would be an interesting faction gaining blood kisses by razing settlements (which then cause like really heavy insect attrition to all armies in the local region).
The vampires in Ind remind me a lot more of the Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom movie (likely also GW's inspiration for them) so that's also pretty different from the Mahtmasi.
But if Mahtmasi were a horde faction, they could show up anywhere (like savage orks and beastmen) and that would add to the diversity of those events all over the warhammer world.
I like this idea because it makes them seem like Romani/Nosferatu as far as shtick
It makes sense, temple of doom was pretty racist.
If you check my supplement we did move them to Araby
Honestly what we need is a cathay Vampire dragon lord, honestly id say it would be intressting to see it play closer to the regular cathay but possibly giving army bonuses for breaking harmony etc
Yeah, only seven of the nine Dragon Emperor’s children are known to have lore.
There's something better, if you check out the curse of nongchang mod, that's a fan made jade blooded faction with Cathay mechanics that dives deep into chinese mythology.
Great book of grudges has posted a video about it, check it out and see for yourself!
I doubt we get a literal vampire dragon lord, i could see a shukengan tho
I'd imagine a Blood Dragon finding out about the Dragon lords of Cathay and getting ambitious.
I feel like that would be too easy tho. Keeping harmony way out if wack would be too low effort of a mechanic imo
This kinda reminds me of a vampire/human Fanfic faction on the Total War Forums. A user named sykall postet a concept for a faction based on the Yoruba and other west-african cultures who are lead by a unique bloodline based on the west african Assambosam. Basicly tree vampires. It was a nice read I'd say
The Assambosam are also a vampire bloodline of the Laibon, the African vampires of Vampire the Masquerade. They are equally disgusting there too.
Just a thought, the Jaded Blooded (at least those powerful enough to become LLs) could be spread around the fringes of Cathay in some of the regions that currently lack lore, like Ind and Nippon.
locust vampires sound awesome.
I would like to see some Jade-Blooded vampires to work for the Dragon Emperor. Eternal servitude in the name of the emperor and Cathay for a bit dragon blood to satiate their hunger.
I think it'd be cool if they replaced the Dwarfs in Araby with the Mahtmasi vampires, it never felt right to me that there were random dwarfs in the middle of the desert.
So true
Then you never saw the Good Prospects.
I'd really love if CA made the jade blooded mod canon, or made something very similar to the mod, cuz i really like how that faction plays tbh.
My hope is that the Jade Blood get added to the Vampire Coast instead of Vampire Counts or Cathay. VCounts already has enough trouble fully representing the 5 Bloodlines it has now. They don't need any more added to their plate. Meanwhile, VCoast needs new content.
The current minor faction the Dead Flag Fleet and their leader Zheng Shih is an obvious reference to real life Chinese pirate admiral Zheng Yi Sao and her "Red Flag Fleet". I'd love to see them get fleshed out into a real faction and LL.
Funny part is that the jade blooded ( and the now known Ind bloodline ) should be added to Cathay and Ind respectively as their dark counterparts, while the VCoast side could get some re-used models.
That's cuz they're much closer to VCounts in terms of how they function than coast ( but I'm not against adding a new vampire coast faction to add variety tho ) i do agree with you there.
If you check out the curse of jiangshi, that's the jade blooded mod made by a fan that dove deeply into chinese mythology. I'd really love to see them made that way tbh. Cuz they play similar to counts and Cathay at the same time.
I disagree
Hey nerds! You found my stuff! Omg!!
I'm sure there was a passage in the bloodlines army book that spoke of a vampire that went to the east and another that went into the northern wastes. It would be pretty cool to see undead warriors of chaos or norse minis.
Can't tell you how great this is. Thank you!
Both sound pretty cool to me and I stil hope to see some dlc and rework for the vampire counts soon. Necrarchs are what I want the most though but a nurglish vampire faction would be sick
I'd love to see a official jade blooded dlc or flc for Cathay. I know of the mod but I'd like it in the game .
I remember in one of the Nagash books in the time of legends series, the Jade blooded being mentioned. Neferata turned the ambassador to Cathay into a vampire on one of his visits in order to get a hold of some information and trade goods or something and that ambassador became the sire to the Jade blooded and on his return he tried to take power for himself leading Cathay into centuries of unrest. Not much is said beyond that but as far as I know those books are cannon.
I remember an old White Dwarf article mentioning that "disgusting fat vampires" were considered, but ultimately lost to Strigoy.
There is also the chance that Xian Ha Feng has started his own bloodline in Cathay as he did return to Cathay with vials of the Elixir of life
In the newest dlc a vampire counts are right next to yuan bo in the mortal empires campaign in Grand Cathay
I recently saw art that depicted vampires and zombies in the east / katay theme, it would be interesting to see such a faction in the game, like the vampire counties, but it seems to be something new
An interesting concept about the mahtmasi could be inspired in having ghoulish / zombie / monster units that are riddled with insect parasites.
The vampires themselves would be inspired on their indian mythology counterpart the Vetala.
In some depictions they look like more emaciated vargheists, but they could retain their couciousness and they're slightly different.
There are other gaunt depictions too, check em out if you Google Vetala.
I miss the necrarchs, blood dragons, and lamias in the vampire counts
Really hoping these make it in the game
Jade vampire assassins are so freaking coool!
We really need those along with the minor races in both TOW and TWWIII.
Oh my, never thought I would hear such pronunciation for Necrarchs 😂
for years when I played tabletop I called them Necrach and no one corrected me
HAIL NAGASH!
Can we get a nice little video on my dawg Sporctacus?
Is it bad that I imagine the Mahtmasi to be more insect-like in design - their ancient skin slowly layering into a thick carapace with sharp claws...Their wings more akin to a fly or locust rather than the signature bat of many of the usual bloodlines? Sharp mandibles attached to the sides of their blood-sucking mouths as they tend to have a slight buzz in their voice?
Image a Dog's of War campaign in tww3, where the campaign is determined by the contract you take. if you take this Araby contract, your nemesis is the mahtmasi and you have to travel araby building an army of renown like the grudgebearers in dark omen. You pick up allies from various races in your travels before a final confrontation.
I much prefer the vampires detailed in the Nagash/Neferata novels especially Naaima and Ankhat - Naaima is also mentioned in AOS and the End Times as part of several battles. As Naaima is Cathayan she would be an obvious choice to include with CA's focuss on there.
Thanks. That's what I think as well. There is a canon lore with the novel series that flashes out the original court. Naaima as a canon character from Cathay would be the best choice for a Cathay-JadeBlood-Vampire theme.
An odd person that I don't see brought up in this discussion is Naaima. At least according to the wiki she was given the elixir of life, so she would technically maybe be another bloodline, but she's always referred to as a Lahmian.
The Nagash books had (IMO) a more interesting group of vampires in her court including Naaima, she never seems to make any of her own vampires - she is noted as being part of the End Times and also mentioned as being with Neferata in AOS
Very interesting topic🤔
Speaking as the author of all this, I would put a different blood line in Ind.
Hi Steve! Amazing to see you comment here! In your expert opinion what type of Bloodline would be in Ind? Do you have discord by any chance I'd love to chat lore with you one day if you're down! I have a direct discord link in video description :)
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges I will go find your discord, sure.
For Ind, I would probably link the vampires there to the myth of the naga. Handsome water dwelling vampires, lords of snakes, perhaps ancient descendants of Nagini, the Doorkeeper and Cupbearer of the dark queen.
I remember reading about the Jade Blooded and Mahtmasi years ago, and the Jade Blooded were the ones I was most interested in. I feel like the Mahtmasi were created before Prince Apophas (I might be wrong) and were inspired kind of by the film The Mummy. I imagine the Jade Blooded being almost like Vampiric Slann, with the image of the corrupt Chinese Eunuch mixed with the stereotype of the opium smoker in early modern times.
The Mahmasi I never quite liked, I just always felt they were a bit weird, although the mercenary part of it is interesting.
What I really really regret, is that they didn't retconn the Vampire Coast to make them a Voodoo bloodline with its own aesthetics and lore.
Depth Guard was a great disapointment for me since os completely dissonant with the overall theme of vampire coast
@@arthurcarmo7546 apart from anything else, Depth Guard is a shit name. Bite the bullet and call them Blood Marines, we can tell the difference between 40k and fantasy. But yeah I it was a missed opportunity
Yes there’s some deliberate mummy references there!
And also some ideas from the horror film Mimic.
@@tinstargames gw lore is always built from pop culture history, which is why it's funny theyre so protective of the IP
Sombody please make artwork of these wampires like their aperance
It’d be super cool if one of the celestial dragon siblings was a jade vampire. A giant female vampire dragon is pretty cool
I really wish them I in game
I'd be totally down to bring these bloodlines into canon and TWW3. need to move arkhan though. The buggy boys can move into the mountains where the dwarven prospectors are, and the jade blooded could have influenced the indian vamps as they passed through.
I guess TW Warhammer really need to overhaul the Vampire counts and Vampire coast and combine them into one faction called Vampires then place all legendary lords into one faction with different unit rosters
There should be more vampires or undead factions
When I first got into warhammer fantasy back in 2001 my friend and his girlfriend had come up with vegetarian vampire counts/Orc servents kitbashed with empire gear.
Honestly the Mahtmasi sound like they'd more be a rare unit for an Arabyan (or dogs of war) faction rather than a faction in their own right. If they get into total war as well could even do something interesting like have them produce vampiric corruption. Make an Arabyan player have to balance between using these powerful units and dealing with the vampiric corruption plaguing their provinces.
"Taking their sport in the dismembered corpses of women."
That's a very polite way to describe something extremely fucked up even for Warhammer.
I am the Clive barker of rpgs
@@tinstargames I respect that. I'm horrified and disgusted by it, but I do respect it, lol.
@@GreasusGoldtooth it’s tough to hit the line in a pretty horrifying universe! Especially without an editors eyes.
What better way to sell new models to the old VC players than to introduce some new bloodlines? I really hope we see new bloodlines in the expansions for TWWH3.
In the Geheimnisnacht mod for CK2 there were these albino Cobra man vampires on the Dragon isles South of the Darklands, any canonicity to this?
Sure they were vampires? Because I know in lore in the East they had more reptiliallian version of beastmen
The mameses guy is interesting but their power should definitely be curbed back and he should be hunted by Khalida for sure.
He sounds way too much like nurgle to be honest they are interesting but i wouldn’t care if they weren’t included. The jade vampires are cool though
Zombie samurai? Or vampire inspired oni?
so Mahtmasi is basically just Nurgal vampires?
to what bloodline Genevieve Dieudonné is belong to? the only thing i know about her is that she is a honor imperial citizen for saving Karl Franz and for killing Constant Drachenfels.
Always assumed she was Lhlamean
She's Lahmian. That's a for sure thing. If I remember right it was one of Neffy's handmaidens that turned her.
@@mylesdrake2949 ty
She is Lahmian, she was turned by Chandagnac who was the son in darkness of Melissa d'Acques who is a Lahmian :) Chandagnac also turned Katarrin who became Tzarina of Kislev after the Great War against Chaos
is it still "lesser known" if every other video you make is about vampire bloodlines that need to put in the game?
yeah, honestly, none of the stuff in the source is too outlandish for Warhammer Fantasy, the toughest one is definitely the deal with Araby, but we also know that Araby basically needs to be retconned/rewritten in the first place, it wouldn't be hard to sort of shift their focus a little, especially in total war. If I recall (unless they changed it) there's still a contingent of Strigoy on the TW map right by Repanse, which could easily be changed to be followers of Mahtmasi, who would make a great antagonist to the inclusion of Araby. (presuming we get them both, which I hope we do... you know, variety is the spice of life as they say.) It would also give Araby a good lore starting point/plot point to be dealing with this group of Vampires over good old Jafar, who... lets face it... might be a little weird (not that I think the Jafar character needs to be removed, but perhaps changed to be a less than savory leader of one of the Arabian cities or something could make sense.)
"modern standard" lol lets appease the "wider audience" screw the "wider audience"
@@BloodwyrmWildheart exactly
There is some really cool stuff in the Jade-Blooded but holy cow does it need a rewrite! Partly because there is some really clever model re-use options for GW but partly because there are some serious problems.
Let's start with the problems. I really wanted to get to use less aggressive language with this but the further you went on the worse it got. The whole drug portion of the Jade-Blooded is REALLY Racist ESPECIALLY from a British author. This is on the level of the Pygmies and the official name of the Goblin Ballista. You can still have Opium play a role but keep it to minor flavour in the background and/or a way to get a Cathayan faction for the Vampire Coast. The second is that it doesn't include anything actually inspired by Chinese myths or legends related to Vampires; having the Jade-Blooded and not invoking the Jiangshi would be incredibly silly.
Now let's look at the big opportunities available to them, and I'll break it down further and give my reasoning below, but tl;dr? NIGHTHAUNT
We currently really lack Vampires who make use of or expand in any meaningful way the roster of Ethereal units in the game. If they were to introduce this bloodline in Old World and Total War, having existing casts to work from would make things far easier!
But how do you explain that in Lore? Cathay has this really cool under-explained thing in its story that is connected to their realms of Death and the Ethereal Undead. The Spirit Dragon; a Cathayan Dragon already claimed to be effectively dead. What happens when a Vampire drinks from a powerful Dragon? I imagine the ripple effects from that could easily be used explain "Soul Sucking Eunuchs" and give them a connection to both Ethereal Undead and the Lore of Yin.
Another big advantage is that it could be used to give them a natural rivalry with Yuan Bo or Li Dao. Or they could go spicier, and give a connection between the Spirit Dragon and The Monkey King (consort/companion/champion) that would explain why the Emperor and Empress are quite so chill with the Monkey King in general. Perhaps he took the Imperial Throne while they were distracted as a result of Hakarte's invasion and the Vampire wars tied to him.
Maybe as a rule they only convert Shugengan, which would give them a cool new Vampiric Lord, and Jiangshi are the much weaker results of turning low-blooded people into Vampires. Get a nice fodder unit and a good reason for a group to have rebelled and gone Vampire Coast
Honestly very little was established about Cathay when I wrote this. Now id need to revise this. The drugs aren’t a reference to opium but I can see how you got there.
Much of this was based on the great Jackie Chan film Mr Vampire and the Jet Li films Once Upon A Time In China.
nah, we Warhammer fans will keep the based OG lore, you can go and make your own little game with your corporate ChiCom lore
@@TomorrowWeLive Prove my point more😂
To anyone wondering why I say this proves my point? Dude's channel literally talks about how "JewTube" keeps trying to silence him. If the old lore is seen as 'based' by Nazis, it probably needs updating~
What's with mispronouncing everything