Hol Horse - The Best Worst Character
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
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Time Stamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:41 - Introduction to Hol Horse & Normals
5:14 - Special Moves & Supers
9:18 - Hol's oki is pretty good
11:41 - Hol Horse's flaws
18:02 - Hol Horse & Boingo (Hoingo)
21:59 - Hol Horse Playerbase, Final Thoughts & Outro - Ігри
Old fighting games are so funny cause it's like "here's why this character with 6 unblockables and a move that steals the opponents credit card information is bottom 5"
It's either that or the complete opposite with bottom characters having shit like "his jab is 10 frames" or "the opponent can punish this super on hit" or "the devs forgot an if statement so this character can't tech"
@@grumpydoodle8455inside you there are two wolves
One can’t bite
The other knows the secrets of the universe at has a TOD combo off of walking towards the opponent
Both are bottom 5
Old fighting games is the place where you can have something like, "A system mechanic given to some but not all of the cast that makes them immune to KNOCKDOWNS" and nobody in development realized how that might be a problem.
@@grumpydoodle8455 Ok so the last one is GGML Testament, but who are the other two?
@@alynnzz0491 10 frame jab is GGML Potemkin, who pretty much dies immediately if you don't charge cancel every single normal in his kit.
As for a super that's punishable on hit. I believe that's Axl from the same game, since both of his supers can't combo with themselves, so the opponent can tech out, block the rest and then punish Axl.
Heritage seems like the kind of game where a character would be absurdly broken top 1 in any other game and only be considered mid tier at best in heritage because everyone else is more broken.
yeah HftF is fucked up in the very best way possible, I love it
eh he would not be op in say gg+r or any game with i frame back dash or dps
Sounds like a bunch of CPS2/CPS3/NAOMI era games
Reminds a lot of Advanced Vairable Geo 2 in that aspect
@@chronosanaki5174 a classic
Hol's oki being so good it turns his main gameplan into "Hit them while they're down" is ironically the most fitting for his personality
This game will give the characters some absolutely insane tools and then go “Make his throw punishable on hit.”
literally hftf dio
Chaka's damage makes me MISERABLE, it sucks because his mobility and jumping attacks are pretty fun to play around
Punishable via lose the round despite having a 80% lifelead
@@sailorhatguy5763 He pretty much only gets damage if the opponent is in stand on and the Chaka player can somehow do his unblockable resets
Against Polnareff or V. Ice he literally can't do anything, especially without meter lol
The meta has evolved to replicate canon Hol Horse.
He's THE jobber but capitalizes hard on overconfidence and mistakes
Small nitpick: Hol Horse was less "meant to" be part of the main cast and moreso thought it wouldn't have been a bad idea. From an interview that was featured in Jojonium Vol.10:
"I had planned from the beginning to have Kakyoin and Polnareff switch allegiances away from DIO to join the group, but I didn't plan this for Hol Horse. However, I don't think it would have been such a bad idea to have him join the group." [...] "However, my conclusion was that he would throw off the balance of the group if he were to join. As far as his character is concerned, both his looks and his personality overlap somewhat with Polnareff, and I felt that it would be difficult to work in his Emperor Stand as an ally. "
There's a bit of other stuff in there too, like the fact that he also would have clashed with Kakyoin's Emerald Splash power-wise. It's one of those things that people kinda took from a single piece of art and ran "Considered but decided against it" into "He was always going to but Araki changed it"
Yeah, and ultimately his current arc works better. Hol might be deadly being supported by someone else, but his lack of determination as a stand user *despite* his potential pretty telling, which in nice contrast to the heroes largely can (and lets face it, do stand alone, they don't fight as a team that much.) fight alone but travel together. Being one of those guys requires taking control of your own destiny and being willing to die for their convictions, a sense of duty that is completely devoid from Hol. He always is the express support to another, more dangerous character or literally throws away any intuition to gamble with fate.
Always been happy that he managed to work in an ally gun stand later.
I always wondered during what stage of development he had these considerations. Did he always intend Hol to near-fatally injure Avdol and in that case, was him teaming up with the Crusaders considered with that taken into account or was the version of Hol that he was considering for that different than the one we know? Then again, I guess that goes into more broad questions about how Araki writes his stories to begin with. Like, when was Hol first conceptualized and was his role in the story always set in stone? I know that Araki does shift things during the run (I'd be amazed at the weekly publication writer that didn't), but how much of the plan was created before publication began?
I always find statements writers make about these alternative ideas in their works fascinating, because I think about the ways in which these decisions would/wouldn't alter the story. Like, if Araki decided to go through with Crusader Hol, would he have downplayed his malicious nature during Hanged Man or would he have stuck to the plan and made the team-up more reluctant, like the kind of frenemy situation we saw a little bit in Justice (Which come to think of it would've been pretty rare for JoJo, they don't really play that trope alot)?
Ultimately though, I am glad he stayed a dedicated villain. While I never really agreed with Araki's reasoning in that decision, it did more good than bad for Stardust as a whole. Without that decision, Hol & Boingo might not have happened, which would've robbed Stardust of it's best chapter.
@@FFKonoko Really, Mista is essentially a nerfed Hol Horse in a lot of ways. Hol Horse has theoretically infinite ammo, he can never be disarmed because the gun itself is his Stand, and his aim is perfect as long as he's focused. Mista has a regular six-shooter that he has to reload, he can lose it or fail to draw it in time if things go badly for him, and he's reliant on Sex Pistols's bouncing to pull off his tricks. Hol Horse would be a very difficult character to write in a battle scene because unless you have him act like a complete moron, then there's no reason he shouldn't be able to just instantly and unerringly gun down everyone who crosses him (and Araki did indeed have him act like a complete moron, but this would be more frustrating than funny if he were a good guy). Mista, meanwhile, has just enough weaknesses that you can really fuck him over in a fight.
Crazy excuse for the emperor thing imo, cuz it feels like dude couldn’t get enough of gun stands after part 3. First it was mista, who kinda delivers on the promise of Hol Horse being in the crew but without the yeehaw, and then you have FF, who i think was given a gun just so she could do SOMETHING.
I wonder if Araki had moments of hindsight when writing those two characters where he imagined scenes he could have done with a Stardust Crusader Hol Horse but instead has to put that creativity into Mista and FF as a substitute. Justice for Hol Horse man
All of the low-tiers in HftF have one thing in common - if they were in ANY OTHER FIGHTING GAME, they'd be busted as all fuck. But since they're in HftF, where everyone is busted to shit, they languish in the kiddie pool.
I have to assume that HftF regularly has "low/mid-tier" tourneys just for fun and because that in itself is an interesting game, no?
The big fish in the even larger pond, huh?
@onimaxblade8988 I've seen tourneys with everyone from Kak to Khan so it's basically anything goes
@@onimaxblade8988 not really, instead there's just a high variety bc people play who's most interesting more than who's more good.
Yeah even Khan
Hol Horse, Entire Equestrian, Singular Stallion
100% Pony
Complete Colt, Maximum Mare
Perfect Perissodactyla
Full Foal. Unbroken Buck?
I can't say I can think of many more tbh.
all of you guys are chads
I LOVE how Capcom used the media of video games to portray some of it's characters abilities. Hol Horse shooting the arcade cabinet itself for both his Glass Shower move and his Hanged-Man Super is so, so creative. HFTF Hol Horse is the single greatest portrayal of the character imo, also having some pretty great voicelines too. He's not the best character but he was never meant to be. And that is the true essence of the Whole Horse, a silly guy with some silly combos.
I never realized that Hol Horse is breaking the 4th wall for the glass, that’s great
AY AY SIR 🗣️🗣️🗣️
ASB Hol Horse is the saddest fucking downgrade in human history
Capcom was really good with the portrayals in this game. In the source material, Alessi is a pretty meh character. But in HFTF, they ignited him with such goofy energy, put so much love into his animations, and made him (imo) the funnest character to play in the game.
@@BombBombora His intro where he's up against the screen and smugly looks over at the enemy will never not crack me up. His OST in the game is also an underrated banger that really sells his horror movie villain portrayal during his fight in the manga.
The Hanged Man super is honestly one of the coolest supers ever put into a fighting game.
Beating a hol player is the biggest rite of passage in hftf
aye aye sir
sorry, I don't understand.
@@user-rm6sy1uv2y hol horse is a knowledge check character
@@galmart3111 I wish I knew what a rite of passage was
@@user-rm6sy1uv2ya "rite of passage" is usually a tradition that involves the growth or advancement of someone
So for example, if a HfTF player beats a knowledgeable Hol Horse for their first time, they're considered to have advanced up as a player because they themselves are able to beat the character that commonly checks a lot of noob strategies!
I hope this explanation helped :)
And yes I used "noob" in 2024 if people have problems with it leave your complaints in my mailbox n I won't read em
I FELT that "God I love this game" on Hol's throw. There is just something so special about these kinda games man. The mind boggling jank is the best lol
Honestly, a lot of its the result of poor balancing decisions or outright mistakes, but it's neat how much 'requires quick thinking and a strong ability to weigh your options, extremely dangerous in the right circumstances but has to spend a lot of time running away, fishing, and fighting uphill' fits the character's personality and role in the story. Even Hoingo going from 'extremely scary if he has advantage' to 'annoying troll character' fits that second fight with Hol Horse being played for comedy instead of as a serious threat.
Man, nothing quite like "yeah we removed a bunch of tools from his kit" "so you made what remains better because he's later in the manga" "what??? No, not at all "
one thing you forgot about slow bullet to add to its laundry list of strengths: the slow bullets themselves actually continue traveling DURING superflash, meaning with enough meter to dump hol can just freeze the opponent into unavoidable setups at the right spacings. it loses to preemptively rolling, but since you can shoot another bullet to cover the roll anyway, with enough meter this is a surprisingly good, cheesy round closer
While on the topic of Hol Horse in fighting games, ASBR Hol Horse is definitely a lot better compared to in Heritage. The environment he's in lets his zoning be a lot more threatening and he has some good tools up his sleeve. He can still do backruns and change direction of bullets for some moves, but he also has the ability to charge his bullet to do more damage and helps in juggle. He also has a better J.Geil/Hanged Man. He's one of the few characters with a unique combo breaker, since you can call out Hanged Man as long as their's a puddle on the ground. This makes him and funnily enough, Diavolo, the only characters with unique breakers outside of assists. Speaking of assists, he has one of the better assists thanks to J.Geil yet again lmao. He throws out a bottle and Hanged Man attacks, with both doing damage. The good part is that you can get the benefit of Hanged Man and also have a body block with Hol Horse funnily enough.
And while not anything substantial, he has another unique mechanic involving the female roster. He does more damage to female characters at the cost he gains less meter when attacking, giving him a very strange, albeit rare to use buff considering how low ASBR's female roster is (Doesn't affect Foo Fighters btw). He also has unique dialogue for every female playable character which I think is pretty funny.
I think a video discussing the differences between HftF and ASBR, characters, design philosphies and balance would be pretty cool one day. ASBR isnt talked about all too much because Bandai hates rollback but it would be cool to see some more deep dives into Jojo fighting games.
fun fact: in the story mode, there is a special scenario match where you play as Polnareff against Hol Horse, immediately after J. Geil is killed. When fighting against Hol Horse, he is unable to use any move that involved J. Geil/Hanged Man (y'know, because he's Dead.)
This includes his throw, since it involves Hanged Man.
The lack of the absolutely amazing looking HFTF Hanged Man super makes ABSR Horse F tier in comparison honestly.
I find that asbr hol is a lot slower, and not being able to stand button bullet control makes him by far a lot less fun to play, imo.
I can't believe you managed to fit a horse into this video
Hol Horse occupies the zone that all the characters I like to play as live in tbh, just, really cool fun characters that aren't so good that you ever feel like they're playing you
He might be low objectively, but in our hearts, he's SSS+
*Que in Centerfold - J Geils Band*
"his throw is punishable on hit"
oh they were on drugs when they implemented this character, like what the fuck
Hol Horse feels really interesting to compare with Urien. I feel like they're the same type of character, a high-risk/high-reward frame trapper with strong normals who wants to hit a vital launcher knockdown to cash out on metered unblockable set-ups.
Hol Horse wants to hit 5H to start his slow bullet loops while Urien wants a 2HP to start doing his big combos and Aegis Reflector set-ups, and they both want to generally stay at mid-range to try and catch the opponent lacking.
However, Hol Horse has some of the easiest combos in the game while Urien has some of the hardest. Hol is a zoner and Urien leans closer to a rushdown.
I think the real difference between them comes from what game they're in. Urien can go in and get a 2HP after a risky parry so he can start his gameplan, but Hol Horse struggles to get anything done because half the cast can press a button and be immune to his two biggest strengths (knockdowns > slow bullet and his otherwise good chip damage). HFTF is just so hostile to Hol Horse that he can't do much. HFTF actively disables a lot of Hol's gameplan while 3S enables Urien's. I think Urien without the ability to parry and if his 2HP only sometimes got a full juggle knockdown would be in a very similar state to Hol Horse.
It's nice to see someone keep covering this game in a manner that isn't highlight clips. I hope you keep this up, maybe have a video for everyone on the roster? I doubt that, but otherwise this content has been quality.
Yellow temperance bros
Yellow temperance bros
Do you UNDERSTANDDDDDUUUUUUUUU
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN
It's so funny because if you dropped him in literally any other fighting game he would be top 3 at worst
You forgot that Hoingo can spawn boingo clones all over the screen like kak webs which automatically makes him S tier
As a Hoingo main i can confirm that this is funny as shit when pulled off in a actual match, (I never even pulled it off)
Just found your channel, and, as a casual fan of HFTF who plays Hol, thought, 'Man, I hope we see a video covering the entire horse in glorious detail.' What timing!
Great video, I can only hope to use this knowledge to terrify my friends and lose in normal matches. Both because of the funny S button. As God intended.
I'm just realizing the significance of Avdol as a training dummy. 🤭
Rad video and solid info, thanks for the shoutout as well! I haven't gotten to play much lately but this game and character will forever be my jam, glad to see that there's still people interested in talking about it lol
That's not hol horse and boingo, that's half horse
I just got into your Heritage for the Future videos this week. Can't believe I was lucky enough for you to upload again so soon
These kinds of videos are super fun to watch as someone who purely plays fighting games and knows NOTHING about jojo's bizarre adventure. I'd love more, if possible.
You didnt talk about glass gambling!
basically whenever you do falling glass (as regular hol horse) it will sometimes drop boingo's box instead, once it hits the ground he will try to leave the screen.
as long as that box remains on screen hol's throw damage is multiplied, not really sure by how much, but the damage is nothing to scoff at and iv won matches because of it.
Also i could be wrong because it has been a minute since iv played but im pretty sure his grab range is also buffed meaning they dont have to be rolling into you to be able to grab them.
HELL YEAH MrMixtape Heritage vid. Lesgooooooooo.
4:45 bro I’ve played this game for so long and never knew you could influence the direction of hols normal A/B/C shots that’s crazy
I love how my immediate instinct was that this would be analyzing Hol Horse’s role in the show and his abilities there, so seeing the fighting game right away caught me by surprise.
I love your HFTF videos! ❤ Please make more of these!!!
Just finished rewatching some of your other Heritage vids, perfect timing!
I mean, back in 2020, Hol Horse mains were noob traps on Fightcade, truly terrifying, I used to lose to them all the time, but now in 2024, I, a Mariah main, can kinda win against most Hol mains I encounter, so that kinda shows how exploitable his weakness are. Most people that are now very good on the game were forced to train against matchups with Hol Horse all the time back then. Also, I said most, not all, and they're pretty hard to find nowadays, especially for me that am perpetually stuck on the D rank due to Mariah being as good of a character in this game as a cockroach is a good pet irl
This is a really well researched and accurate video. Great job keep up the content
Back in the day we used to say "Just spam glass lol". Works every time, I swear!
With how important active stands being immune to knockdowns and chip is I’m curious to see what the meta would like if those traits were just removed from them outright. It seems like that would have a massive effect on tierlists and the viability of a lot of HftF’s low tiers.
mariah would probably have 8-2s and 7-3s against the s tiers lol
@@a1337turtlenah
yeah, her tools are really bad level one so she starts every match on the back foot. And this isn’t like 3S chun where round start she’s weaker and then gets meter and instantly threatens everyone, you need like three knockdowns before the command grab is even usable and before her supers are good combo enders. Hol would do a lot better, slow bullets spaced correctly are undodgeable and so if his Oki was a consistent feature and he could build some meter he’d actually be scary to a lot of the cast.
Loving the Heritage videos, gives me a little burst of nostalgia for when I emulated this in High School. Can’t wait to see if you’ve got videos in mind for Midler or Devo, Midler was one of my favorites to play.
Im really digging your hftf videos, thank you (also extra points for being a mega man fan)
I was watching your other jojo vids a few days ago and thought damn I hope he makes one on hh I always see people playing him but idk why, super happy to see this lol
thank you so much for the flashing white lights warning
Great Video! Just wanna say the voice quality improvement REALLY helped the video
Maaaaannnn, I wish I lived in the reality where Hol horse joined up with the gang. I can imagine all of the cool and/or funny senarios.
Your HFTF videos are insanely informative and pretty entertaining. Hope to see either a Devo or Joseph/Josephs video in the future
Hell yeah I love to see this video do so well for you, Mixtape
Geez. I didn't know Hol & Oingo lost that disgusting unblockable bullet for "more unblockable bullets but infinitely slower & worse" or that the latter super goes away if hit. Poor bastard.
I'd say Hol Horse is, with Shadow Dio, one of the best characters to get into the game.
He's very easy to pick up and teaches you a lot about how to punish mistakes and, thus, how not to commit them yourself.
That little cowboy's cruel oki gameplay and absurd 214AA has a special place in my heart as it introduced me to the game.
Hol and Rubber for gimmicky fun setup characters
S.Dio and B.Pol for a straightforward rushdown playstyle
And Khan if you're being too honest, or just really like spinny funny
Quality content, Love these old fighting game videos
Ex Falchion would be proud of this video.
Hell yeah brother Hol goddamn Horse.
Keep the HFTF videos coming my mans, these videos rule.
Honestly I really wanna see you talk about Shadow Dio, cause he's who I used to play as when I was into HFTF
such a good character to begin with, and incredible combo and good okizeme.
and a fuggin awesome tic throw.
I love your jojo content. I'd be happy if you talked about every single character indepth.
Good job.
Its extremely fitting that Hol Horse is in B tier, he's canonically used to being second. Like being the student in class who's perfectly content with a B on a quiz, sometimes its just enough to survive.
Don't even play this game but you make it so interesting, this is great content bro keep it up
i can barely hear anything you're saying from my laptop with eveerything turned up to max
Me when I'm an oki character in a game where half the characters have a stance that makes them immune to knockdowns
The more I learn about this game, the more I realize how inspired the Touhou fighting games were lmao
I mean, it certainly makes sense, considering the early parts of Windows TH(which is when the fighting games had their start) were pretty jojo pilled anyways.(The final boss of TH6 is essencially just Dio: Silly little girl edition)
Kinda sad that in the Hoingo part you didn't mention my personal favorite move in his kit, 2B, AKA the Discount Brick. It's so insanely fast compared to regular Hol's, with a ton of horizontal range and frame data that makes it a very dangerous poke, anti-air, and juggle tool. Plus it's just hilarious to shut people down as a dingus with a brick.
babe wake up new hftf analysis 🗣📞
absolute great videos you doing man, can you someday make a video taking about old joseph, i feel like that if wasn't for the game mechanics he would be better
Hol Horse is so beautifuly designed in this game. Like it's so in-character for him to be a low tier who's still very threatening if not taken seriously. So many new players end up like Polnareff in the manga: looking like complete chumps while this cowboy with no active stand just guns you down. And like the manga, once you figure him out, Hol Horse isn't scary. He's just annoying. Definitely one of my favs from this game, Capcom was cooking with this guy.
insanely sick video as always
Hol's hanged man super is legitimately one of the best I have seen in any fighting game, such unique framing with the bullets shooting the screen and hanged man appearing from the shards. not to mention the animation is so sick
1:03 I think that's an urban legend, actually
No, Araki did confirm this in a Jojonium interview. There's a link in the trivia section of Hol Horse's page on JJBA Wiki in case you're curious
I'd love to hear more about other low or mid tiers from hftf
the goat released another hftf vid..... looking forward to the other mid tiers if you ever cover them
For the hoingo section, pipe super's initial hitbox is actually not a terrible anti air because its disjointed and always stand crashes, but thats about it
"The Best Worst Character" is pretty much 90% of HFTF's roster.
I fucking love Hoingo's command grab super. Sure the character is bad, but it is damn funny that he can stick his fingers into the nose of the entire cast (including a bird and a dog).
i wanna see this guy cover shadow dio i can listen to this content for hours
His sprite always just looks like :)
Kinda hoped you'd discuss hol's matchups but that was a great analysis still
Oh fuck yeah mrmixtape hftf vifeo
With this we inch ever closer to Middler's video!
HEAVY on the "Angry Fightcade" message
🔫
finally a hol horse video.
I know its not likely to happen but Im surprised you didn't mention that Hol's glass shot has a small chance to have boingo fall down which turns his awful throw into possibly the best throw in the game.
You cant rely on it, but its funny that it can even happen at all.
thanks for posting hol on main
WOOO HFTF CONTENT 8N 2024 LETS GOOOOD
11:59 now i'm genuinely curious how khan managed to crawl his way above Young Joseph, lol
I am really loving these Jojo Videos :D
That pipe super is so unreal.
I've been waiting for this one for a long while, I used to main Dio and play in fightcade, there was this one hol horse main that absolutely fucking destroyed me everytime even though I was decently good, fucker spammed so hard I couldn't do a thing but watch as my health bar dropped helplessly
Just run away from him dio fucks up hol for free, it’s arguably hol’s worst match up outside of like kak and ps
stand on and insta win, just be careful about stand crash
I miss hftf hol horse so fucking nostalgic
Glass falling out of the sky is still funny to me
A great example of putting together a moveset based on what they done even if it doesn't make sense it's cool 😂
Hol Horse needs a single knockdown, meanwhile YoJo needs to bust his ass off just to make this mu even
Hol is a good reminder of how BS this game can be at times and yet he is still lacking in many areas, much like other C tiers
He's such a "balanced" character in the context of this game it's ridiculous, it's harder to grab him but he can't grab a huge part of the cast because it's punishable; he easily chips any passive Stand user but can't do anything when an active/weapon Stand user presses S with the lifelead
and then we have Hoingo
need more hftf content from you
>no Centerfold blaring
well I guess Ex Falchion has another dub
It seems poor Hol is stuck in a DBZ Mr. Satan situation: Being genuinely super strong... in a game where (almost) everyone is far stronger thanks to their Stand mode superpowers.
The amount of times I’ve been hit by that slow bullet in fightcade
Good vid :>
hol horse kinda kicks like orange cassidy
if you wanna see Hol Horse's character grow and evolve I can't recommend Crazy Diamond's Demonic Heartbreak enough
Awesome video and all, but why is bluds 2 fingers going through the gun😂
it's supposed to resemble the gun appearing there like a ghost, so his fingers phase thru it since u know its not an actual physical object
Negative on hit throw…… Goddamnit….
Hoingo loses the slow bullet… for an even slower bullet
Wake up babe new mrmixtape HFTF video dropped
Hol Horse is my main and aerial glass special hurts my fingers on a PS2 controller after a handful of sets, but you do it because you have to.