DOFReality M2 Motion Platform Review
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Affordable entry level seat moving platform. Now using Sim Racing Studio's GUI as the control interface.
Intro: 0:00
Closer look, motion platform: 0:45
Closer look, controller box: 9:36
Look inside controller box: 11:35
Mounting to Sim-Lab P1: 17:52
Tuning with the SRS GUI: 26:53
Drivng different games: 48:21
Final Thoughts: 50:09
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This man deserves millions of subs. Been following since the beginning and my wallet has been light ever since 😂
I've been following too, but not as for long - however my wallet is very light too
Brilliant. Your reviews are just brilliant.
Your channel is by far the best in this category. As an engineer, this is exactly what I was looking for!
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This is what a review should be like. Thank you!
Just another great, in-depth review. I look forward to the H3 review as well
Another great review Big Baz! Keep ‘em coming. I’ll see you on the track!
I do love your reviews. Very detailed and you go to such effort. amazing to watch. thanks for all the hard work
I built my starter rig based on some research. Parts worked out (accidentally) but other components were terrible. I’m basing ALL my upgrades on your reviews. They are so amazingly thorough. I can’t thank you enough.
I was waiting exactely for that review thanks a lot Barry
This was reccomend for me. How refreshing to hear someone talk clearly and calmly.
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Freaking Berry at it again with the best reviews available on youtube hands down.
Thank you Michael Douglas.
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Your intros always puts a smile on my face. :D That intro frase with your radio voice and that small grin is just awesome :D
Also really professional reviews that everyone from a beginner to a pro can enjoy. Keep up the awesome work!
Would love a "my favourite" video or "great buys at different price points" video. Like a summary viceo.
Thank you!
Quality content as usual
Excellent review
I do love your reviews. Very detailed and you go to such effort. This is thew only ADULT in depth sim racing channel on you tube. Keep up the good work mate.
Excellent review again, Barry. Thanks!
So well explained I might actually build one
Thanks for the thorough and detailed review. Exactly what you need before making a purchase. Liked and subscribed! Thank you sir.
Thanks for the review. Digging your other toys. moto and supermoto!
I love you Sim Racing Bob Ross!!!
Excellent Video Man...Thanks
It was a marvellous review by a true professional. Capt. Imran Saeed (Ocean Simulators)
Great video thanks for sharing
Nice looking Supermoto :D
Thank you for this review, seems like next level racing motion platform is better.
Also 3x the price so obviously it would be better...
I have been waiting a long time for a review on this, your the man. Thank you Barry!!
Don't buy it.
@@jonberg469 my buddy got thr commercial one and sold it after 2 weeks
@@VikingElitePC lol. Yeah total waste of money. I can't even sell mine. One of my motors broke within 2 months and they never sent me a replacement.
Great review, Barry! As always, very detailed and thorough!
That being said, I'll stick with a 4-corner dbox setup myself!
Yes.
For the price point, looks great! Will give this a go on next upgrade. Thanks Barry!
Don't buy it.
@@jonberg469 Hi, why do you say that? Its that bad?
Did you get it
@@tehgusbus2716 not yet, been researching some other people finds on www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/low-cost-2dof-3dof-motion-simulator-dof-reality.8570/
you're awesome.
Ok Barry. I've watched a lot of your videos and yep, ya go me.. finally subscribed.. I'm a DIY motion sim guy. (Built by myself- Arduino and all- not bought) but want to compare what I make to what Yall have. Nice review too. Actually used your advice on my V3 pedals. So Keep up the great work my friend! DMAX motion sim channel
I’m pretty sure, you’re using the Simucube 2 here with the Ascher Racing wireless wheel, can’ t wait for that review tbh, and if it will replace your Bodnar.
Thanks for all the great reviews so far, even if my wallet doesnt agree with me.
Wow!! Just tried Sim Racing Studio. It's working 1000 times better than the app that comes with the M2. I love it!
Would you buy it again
oh, Barry already testing on SC2 with Asher wireless wheel
Would be very interesting, if the M2P is actually the same but with better motors or if it feels a little better in general
Im a sheet metal fabricator and 1.5mm box section is well a nuff with the supports being so small, i would say that would last a while with the right maintenance, them bearings would go first id say or the worm gear main thread
The fact that just the seat moves kinda reminds me of Jim Carey driving the land rover defender at the beginning of ace Ventura 2 lol
Would love to see you test out either their H6 or P6.
The M2 do look promising, tho.
Bought a DOF Reality P3 and am super happy with it. Mounted my triple screens right to the rig and it makes a huge difference.
I have an H3 in the queue for a review.
@@simracinggarage3026 niiiice. H3 or P3 is what I think I will get.. IF you deem them worthy of a punt. Looking forwards to your reviews.
I bought a P3 a few months back too. I found in Simtools, create an advanced profile and change motor type from "linear" to "rotational", motion is smoother. In basic and standard profiles, i think default motor type is linear.
Asim Chohan, yeah, the new simtools with the advanced option is really genius. HUGE difference with and without it on my P3.
Just bought a DOF P3 and it rocks. Smooth ,easy setup and unbelievably fun not to mention addictive. Build quality isn’t Rolls Royce but as an engineer I can’t see anything that is likely to fail. Fantastic product
Thanks for the Great Video ( again ) - i order today the MP2 Model with the New Italian Motors !
is ok for the Wallet of a (every time the last in Race) Daddy with two Kids
DK6MP hey! Does the platform arrived?? What do you think about the platform?? I’m deciding between the m2 or the h2..
@@victorqn Hello yes i get them Some Weeks Ago , iam Happy with that Tool, You can Watch my Video acout it in my Chanel ! ( use Auto Subtittle Please )
Nice wheel..... I hope 😉
www.ascher-racing.com/shop/f28-sc/
Yes, very!
The interesting thing about this unit is that it has a support for
Elite dangerous. The NLR motion V3 only has a joystick function for it.
madmax how does it support elite dangerous with no telemetry data?
Man i might have to buy this thing. I have a play seat already...
Barry, thank you so much for this video, I´m finishing my P3 plataform and this helped me a lot. in my next visit to USA I´ll be paying a pizza for us ok :-)
Deal.
Nice review and great stuff like always. Think you can review the DOF H2 or H3? Thanks abunch!
Bonjour super les mes matos que tu possède
I've always been a tremendous fan of your reviews as well as your general enthusiasm. I am strongly considering this motion platform do you know how well it would work with the next level racing ultimate cockpit? Thank you brother keep it up
I bought the pro version MP2 and thought i was a bit jerky so i went to B@q [home depo] and bought 20mt of bungee rope and wrapped it around frame and motion frame both ends and now it pretty smooth. to try to work out what springs to get would have being impossible. but bungee has 18kg of strength so keep wrapping or un wrapping to your desire. and tie wrap it up and looks very tidy.
No but can take some if you wish to see it ?
@@nigelhoward9057 Yes i wuold see photos too
Yes some photos please
Do you have some pics
Hey man, thanks for the review. I already own the SRS Shakers and some button boxes. I have a couple questions if you have the answers. :)
1-Does it gets tiring in longs oval where where the turns are banked?
2-Did you try with the shakers at the same time? Does it make using the shakers useless?
3-Did you try in VR? Does it tend to make you sick more than without the motion platform? Does it feel realistic?
Sim Racing Bob Ross
Would like to see a review of the DOFReality P6!
I do have an H6 in the review queue. Will be a while though.
I'm interested in the H3. Any plans to review this one?
I’d watch this guy pull apart a blender and it would still be fascinating.
Glad I passed on this and got the NLR V3. The movements on the M2 just look too mechanical...doesn’t move anywhere near as smooth as the V3. Awesome review as always Barry! 👍
That was a good choise, I just got the M2 and there is a lot of slack in the gearboks, most in the left one. This is also when it is powerd on : -( so my seat is very loose and i can move it about 2.5 cm from side to side and the same forwards og backwards. The right side can move about half. Dof are trying to help, but i think that the gearboks are made all to loose.
how much did you get it for
From this review and through others and some reading it seems to me that this product (and possibly the others in their portfolio) offer great potential in terms of hardware but are kind of let down by the software. With some dampening the unit itself seems like it would perform near the level of the NLR MP V3 hardware-wise. The critical part though is how the motion commands are calculated and executed and this is where the DOF Reality seems to be lagging behind. The jerkiness, and how the motion looks unrefined, and mechanical is probably a combination of the Arduino boards, their firmware and how those are used by Simtools/SRS.
Another important hit from the software angle is the lack of VR motion compensation. DOF Reality currently seems to be relying on third-party software or hardware hacks to do VR motion compensation. The competition provides this out of the box. It's actually quite straightforward to implement as the system can easily calculate the position/orientation offset (given seat and height parameters). Probably the only challenging part is to integrate it into Stream VR, etc. Nevertheless, it's a big missed opportunity.
I think I will have to go with the NLR one, because of the above, which sucks because I usually prefer to support the brave, ambitious products like these which offer great value.
Should build some sort of L-mount to attach the steering wheel directly to chair base. It is not realistic for the distance from steering wheel to change on pitch going up/down hills. Would be easy enough to do and make it much better.
When David Attenborough passes I want Barry Roland as the next Narrator.
Could you do a video on a budget build for a racing sim? Different options on quality sturdy parts rather than flimsy toy like parts. What to avoid. I am just getting into sim racing and dont want to waste a bunch of money on trial and error. When I search for stuff I am always going to be directed to mainstream parts and most sold I know thats not always of quality and good function. I am also new to the channel and have been watching all your older videos. Thank you for the long indepth videos. Keep up the good work. I am learing a lot.
Join a Facebook high end Sim racing discussion group. Don't worry, you won't ever again buy plastic toys.
@@mayamanign Sorry I dont use social media sites aside from youtube. But thanks for the heads up. Yes once you feel the real deal its hard to want anything else. The stuff sold in mainstream stores are so toy like, that plastic hallow sound is something i really want to get rid of.
Does this have good effects for going over the kerbs? I mostly race formula cars so if I hit the kerbs going out does it have a nice effect? Sorry if this is worded terribly. Thanks for the reviews
I just install mp2 with 2 steering dampers and racing harness bunjee cord!!! It smooth and amazing !!! Big motor quicker reaction
Can you feel the gearshift ? i can just hear the motor move, but no seat movment = to much slack/play in the M2.
It depend of the car , power set to 75 and smooth to 73 . My decel his at 18 i think this imact shift with the uses of cluch . Paddel shift no feel
Do mind put video or pics showing...I would rather get M2 instead of nlr motion v3 due to price.. thanks
please, please do a review on the H6 platform.
Can aluminum extrusion wheel deck uprights and deck be used in place of the 20mm tubing? Could some 4080 extrusion be used ?
The thing with this unit is the shipping cost. The unit seems bare enough to fit the electronics into the unit itself instead of the separate control box. The shipping cost of over $200 on a $750-$900 is way to high.
did you have to mod/diy it to put that gtomega sit. I have the RS-XL is the sliders are about 2-3 smaller in width
I noticed that you mounted the two motors and mounting frame toward the back of the M2 but on the H 2 rig the motors are mounted toward the front of the seat. Would that make any difference in how well they work or perform? Thanks "The racing Pastor"
Hey Barry an excellent review again my friend what steering wheel are you using and where to get it thank you
It's the new F28-SC wireless wheel from Ascher racing. You can order one from the website.
Great review!!! Just order de m2 platform. Did you find what kind of sping would you install to smooth out the pitch???
Goodluck. Mine was junk. Sitting in the closet collecting dust. Wasted 1000 dollars. My simxperence set up blows the doors off it.
Jon Berg Just sell it. Someone will want it.
Super review... would of liked to see you try the rig out of the box compared to after you added dampers to see your thoughts ?? Can you advise what the difference was with compared to without dampers ..
Super
Many thanks
Also, the M2 does not appear to do anything when your decelerating ??
Hi big, a question, but it transmits grip losses this seat M2 or you need a superior model, thanks.
Moving links to the inner position should reduce the effect of the gear lash.
This combined with a buttkicker gamer 2 and a Rift S...i got the last 2 :p
You need to take a look at and do a review also on GTR simulator's new GTM Motion Simulator and see how it compares to the DOF Reality motion simulator and or the Next Level Motion Simulator . I believe the GTM motion simulator is also a full motion simulator not just a seat mover at or around the same price point as the next level motion simulator . I believe it is the lowest price full motion simulator on the market .
Unfortunately GTM Motion Simulator is a simple seat mover with the longer arms = less motion range. Unlike DOF Reality H and P models GTM is not a full motion platform. so let's compare apples to apples.
@@radioproffi Regardless it being a full motion simulator or not it should still be reviewed and compared to other seat movers like the DOFReality M2 and the Next level as another option of motion simulators available out on the market . If you think your'er so much better what are you worried about if someone does a comparison review or a review of other motion platform options that are out there for the consumer to look at or consider purchasing ?. And as to your "So lets compare apples to apples " remark , i found that to be more of a derogatory attack at me than anything else . Any other remarks you want to make towards me ?
@@ronsmith5572 you are being aggressive, dear sir, not them.You wrote: 'I believe the GTM motion simulator is also a full motion simulator not just a seat mover at or around the same price point as the next level motion simulator . I believe it is the lowest price full motion simulator on the market .' They just corrected you.
But I'd also like to see the different seat movers compared one to the other ^^ peace!
@@sebastienbouche7069 In an earlier add of the GTR's GTM motion simulator it said full motion simulator ,as i looked at at the add to GTM motion simulator add now it does not say full motion simulator on it . That's why i said full motion simulator . As to their correction to that , that was not an issue to me or a problem for me their added remark was . Their correction had nothing to do it .
hi #simracinggarage your reviews are fantastic and useful.... I have a question for you, which type of actuator you use to simulate the z axis muvement of car? I see four actuator in each corner of your platform but i don't know the model and which hardware and software you use to control them.
Thanks.
That is a D-Box motion system. ua-cam.com/video/bU7TJG8PUSk/v-deo.html
Nice thorough review! I do have a question for you. Why do you use Sim Racing Studio vs Simtools that comes with the DOF reality systems? Currently I'm running the P3 and soon upgrade to P6 but want to know why you are using the SRS instead of simtools. thx!
I did use Simtools and it was a bit smoother than when using SRS. SRS is just a much more user friendly GUI. I know they are working together with DOFReality to improve the motion platform control characteristics of the app. If they can get it to work as well as Simtools when controlling DOFReality's motion units, it will be what most would want to use I think. Time will tell.
@@simracinggarage3026 Couldn't agree more with you on the complexity of Simtools. I'm pretty tech savvy and i literally pulled my hair out when trying to fine tune the movement within simtools. How do you compare motion physics compared to iRacing, Assetto Corsa and Project Cars 2? So far I've found that iRacing motion appears to be more realistic than the motion data from the other 2 games listed. Would love to share configs
Im considering the MS2 seat mover but not so sure since im 100kg and MS2 pilot load is only 80kg
Really enjoying all your reviews. Any chance you'll be upgrading this DOF reality rig to include more degrees of freedom in the future? Curious about the 3dof as well as the 6dof! Thanks for your works
Yes, H2, H3, and H6 are in the works. Will be a while though.
@@simracinggarage3026 thanks for the reply. Very cool!
I have a P6 and love it! Simtools is a PIA, and I can’t wait for SRS to update their software to be P6/H6 compatible.
@@TechShizzleRacing coming soon...😃
@@gmerariu I know, Gilbert :) You know who to call when it's time to beta test!
What would happen if the chair was NOT one-piece with the seat attached to the moving rig and the back-support fixed?
I bet that would eliminate the movement of the shoulders/arms vs the steering wheel (which does happen in real-life) while still giving the important information to your butt about the lateral and longitudinal G-Forces.
I bet that would create a much better illusion of G-Forces, especially with a VR-headset
Does anyone know what bracket be used to mount the RS9 seat to the M2? I haven't come across any
Very cheap solution, I like it for that reason.
Barry, Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you using a SimXperience stage 4 or 5 cockpit a while back? You seem to have changed cockpit and motion simulator. Would you mind commenting why you changed? Is it to satisfy a vendor commitment or because you like the motion seat better? One item I noticed in this review was lack of noise from the M2 motion platform. I have watched a couple other UA-cam videos that had the speakers turned way down or nearly off. Other motion simulators seemed to make a lot of noise or chatter. It seemed to me that the dampening springs you mentioned were making the noise. Perhaps you could consider saying a bit more in your videos about the noise from the motion simulator. I really enjoy your videos !
I sold the stage 4 to purchase a D-Box system. Which is my platform of choice for now.
Which brackets are you using for the rs9 to connect with the M2? I have the seat and m2, but can't figure out how to attach them. I've been looking online, but cant seem to look like what you're using there. Any help would be appreciated.
I used the bracket that came with the RS9 seat when you order the cockpit. I just happened to be wide enough to fit.
@@simracinggarage3026 do mind doing a quick video/detail explanation of this cause i have the RS-XL and the slider on it is about 2-3 too narrow to fit on the MP2
Barry. Would you recommend this over the NLR Motion Platform V3?
The V3 is a more refined, or polished, motion platform. Smoother motion and more comprehensive GUI for tuning. But it cost a lot more. Only you can decide if it is worth it.
@@simracinggarage3026 Thank you for your honest response. I'll just keep saving for the V3.
Hell no. Nlr v3 or simxperience 2 dof add on.
I see racing drones in the background, do you race or feeestyle
Hi Barry, do you think it is possible to mount at Simlab GT1 Evo?
Yes, but it would raise your seating position.
Don't do it. I have one and it's junk. Switched to mounting a simxperience 2 dof to my p1. Works brilliantly
Does this work for playseat
Hey Barry, great review, but is there any chance you could do a short follow up using the original software package designed for this platform? DOFReality is saying the software you were using is new and not very good yet, and I'd really, really like to know if it makes any difference, as I've had my eyes on their products for some time now. Thanks!
The M2 is a bit smoother using Simtools. But I think it would be smoother still with some sort of hardware, or physical, damping solution applied.
@@simracinggarage3026 Awesome. Thank you, sir.
How does it compare to the next level racing V3? The NLR is quite more expensive, does the price tag justify the differences - due to the review the main difference is the (missing) dampering?
Barry, has fanatec sent you the new direct drive wheels yet?
I think this might be the jump i want to do, just hope it works with ps5 too without any issues. Thanks for best youtube reviews about the sim racing accessories.
No word from Fanatec in a while. The SimPit did a long review on the DD2 I think. May want to check that out.
@@simracinggarage3026 i will, thank you.
@@MarceloTezza I have a DD2 and I can honestly say, it's amazing. The Podium software isn't out yet, which I'm sure will make it even better. It's right on par with its competitors, but slightly edging them in the ease of use and lack of having a million wires. It's quite honestly the easiest to use DD system currently. And I've played with just about all of them. It doesn't beat the Bodner on feedback details. But it's really close..... And we are still waiting for the software for it.
@@Mikey6048 thank you very much, i will still wait for Barry's review! Pinches me why fanatec hasnt sent him yet, maybe because of the podium software but still.
@@MarceloTezza The Podium DD2 sold out and they had to keep some stock for replacement. Fanatec had a rough roll out with this DD system. A lot more complicated than anticipated so they couldn't/wouldn't release review versions until demand was fulfilled.
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MOBO: Asus Z97-a
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u mean a I7 4790K right ? but 4.6GHz air cooled is extrem. My watercooled is running by 4500MHz.
I have a very large air cooler.
Do you think using a racing harness attached to bungee corde fix to m'y 80/20 frame would help?
I have not tried that. But someone mentioned that it does work in this video's comments.
THank you !!! I was looking at the racing SIM studio app and they added a smooth fonction . Did you like the résult?
I have not had a chance to test it yet. Working on other reviews now.
Hi Barry. How do you believe this compares with the NLR v3. Different leagues I assume. Thanks.
Yeah! I've got the same question actually (even though you 'almost' answered it when you've shown and mentionned the NLR dampeners in the end of your review!): 900 vs 3000 € - is it worth the price tag?
The V3 is a more refined, or polished, motion platform. Smoother motion and more comprehensive GUI for tuning. But it cost a lot more. Only you can decide if it is worth it.
@@simracinggarage3026 Thanks Barry. NLR v3 for me. Ordered 😊
Thank you, Barry. Still the guys from DOFreality imply the software you used was causing the lack of smoothness. Were you able to test it with the other software and confirm their assertion?
@@sebastienbouche7069 SimTools was a bit smoother. Still, as I said in the review, I would like to see some sort of physical damping solution applied here. Someone commented here that they are using lengths of bungee cord to good effect.
what kind of springs would you recommend using as a damper mod?
Currenty using a pair of motorcycle steering dampers: ua-cam.com/video/9RxO4pIlg88/v-deo.html
You should review PT motion 3DOF system. It’s really a great and affordable solution.
They gave me a quotation of $4800 including shipping for the actuators and control box
Kurt Linton
They have a high end spec with 4 actuators, 150mm of stroke and 200kg of lifting capacity ( 4800$). Soon they will produce a more affordable system with 4 actuators but 100mm of stroke ( 3100$).
Kurt Linton
What’s your name and your email?
I can contact Shao directly.
Do you think it's possible to mount the whole rig on this platform and don't use it as the butt mover only? How much weight can it handle?
The M2 has a weight limit of 220lbs/100kg.
@@simracinggarage3026 thank you, I will be getting p3 then
How is the compatibility between the UI and Content Manager for Assetto Corsa?
I wish you reviewed the MP2. It's DOFReality'a highest-end seat mover and is $1200 instead of the M2's $900.
From every video I've seen of DOFReality seat-movers (the little amount there are), the movements not only seem laggy but as if they don't have fidelity and accuracy. It'a like they either fully move or don't move at all. The movements also don't seem to be able to handle the depth and fidelity of all sorts of different g-forces, body movements, bumps, etc. The movements seem very vague and sort-of generic or gimmicky whereas the NLM v3 seems much more truly connected to the car's physics/telemetry.
Its junk. I have one in my closet. Soent months trying to get it to feel ok.
@@jonberg469 Ya, I'm glad I went with the NLR MP v3. It feels even better than it looks. The DOFReality seat-movers' performance doesn't look close to the NLR from videos I've seen.
What the diff between this platform and the Next level v3?
Which motor driver is used? Anyone knows about model number?
Did you do videos for cnet?