Due to the nature of this content, I'm unable to monetize these this series of videos, so anything you can do to help out will be greatly appreciated. I also want to apologize for the somewhat lackluster performance. I've been suffering severe back pain with two slipped disked. On the upside, since the content keeps these videos from monetization, I've left in the harsh language - which I know you'll all enjoy!
That really REALLY sucks to hear about the back issues, appreciate your continuing to make these even with the pain your likely in and even in spite of the lack of monetization no less, but please don't be afraid to take some time off if you need it, from what I understand they tend to take like a month and a half to heal. Maybe see if you can get you can get some guests to make videos for you so your youtube algorithm doesn't get messed up. I actually wouldn't mind seeing other youtubers like Paulogia, Prophet of Zod, etc. try to make videos in the WoTM style. Or maybe Pinecreek Doug doing a misterdeity roast video or something? Regardless, I continue to VERY much appreciate you and all your work! As the saying goes, hope you get well soon!
Jeez that kind of pain is a real spoiler for everything and yet you were a total champ in this video! Hoping for the best outcome for your back and your channel 💪🏼💪🏼
'I have a friend who has done a study on pre Israelite Canaan and it is horrific'. I’m 100% sure Bills friend got all of his horrific info on the evil Canaanite’s for his 'unbiased' historical study from the Bible.
If you want an example of how Biblical morality resounds down the centuries, todays spectacle of the Israeli state razing Gaza to the ground, and invoking the Amalekite genocide as justification, is compelling
I like Bill's "concerned face" while Alex is explaining god's command to commit genocide. And then he says, "The children are the difficult part." Right, because an omniscient, omnipotent, all loving god couldn't possibly figure out a different way to fix his "perfect" creation.
for someone who created an entire universe you'd think he could relocate both the canaanites and israelites no problem. which makes me ask, why hell? why not just give sinners planet sin and non sinners planet non sin, and neither know the other exist?
I looked up Clay Jones in the Dissertation Abstracts. This is the database where, anyone who gets a PhD from an accredited institution in the US submits their thesis. My thesis is there. Martin Luthter King, Jr.'s thesis is there. So is Bill Cosby's and Laura Schlessinger, and Dale Allison's. I did not find Clay Jones, so either he did not get his PhD in the US (like Bill Craig, whose PhD is from Birmingham and so is not in the database) or it's not from an accredited institution in the US. Whoops, I was right. Professor Clay Jones has "Doctor of Ministry" degree from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. Not a PhD. Now, TEDS does have a PhD program. There are hundreds of TEDS PhD graduates. They have absolutely relevant PhD theses, like "The rationality of religious belief in a postmodern age" "The rise of the Parachurch Movement in American Protestant Christianity during the 1930s and 1940s: A detailed study of the beginnings of the Navigators, Young Life and Youth for Christ International" "Covenantal ethics: A study in contrast. A comparison and evaluation of two contemporary models of Christian ethics that use "covenant" as a central theme" "The Joseph Narrative: Genesis 37-39. An analysis of three modern textual approaches" Notice the one thing about these PhD topics: they aren't apologetics. This is biblical and religious scholarship. Clay Jones is a "Doctor of Ministry." He's not a scholar of history nor of the bible. As far as I can tell, he's a professional apologist. That's about it.
Yes DrWLC is leaning on academia again, to borrow credence for his theology. I guess he's not alone in trying to pass off apologetics as academic research. Sad.
That was awesome!!! Thanks for doing all that hard work. Much appreciated! I truly believe I have the best audience in the Anti-theist industrial complex. You guys never cease to amaze me!
@@johnb2649 I have to admit, as one who has a PhD in the dissertation abstracts and is a Professor, I tend to be a little gatekeeping when it comes to claims of being a professional scholar. Fake degrees and attempts to equivocate degree credentials really bother me. It ranges from complete jokes like Kent Hovind and mail-order degrees to legitimate PhDs who try to use their credentials to speak outside their expertise (see Mayim Bialik). In that case, my response is, "I also have a PhD and say that person is full of crap" and so we're even. I think that people with a PhD have a responsibility to apply ourselves properly, use our expertise where our expertise applies, and when it doesn't apply, defer to those who have it. And I get mad when non-experts try to fool people by equivocating themselves with real experts. As such, I keep tools like Dissertation Abstracts handy.
i don't really like alex o'conner, too poncified for me, but EXTREME kudos to him for keeping a straight face while asking if there wasn't even ONE person worth saving.
@@gdevelek Not really. Craig is smug like wow and well known for being really nasty. Like that one time he said Paulogia had a “braindead faith” and went on to insult him for having been indoctrinated…as if his fans were not the same.
Alex couldn't be more wrong. The donkeys, cattle, sheep and goats not evil? Of course they were. The sheep are always tempting the men. The goats, well the goats are so evil that can go unsaid. Well I've never met an evil cow, but I can imagine one. And Evil Donkeys is another great band name that needs to happen, but if you look up evil, I'm pretty sure you'll find a picture of a donkey.
"Can you believe these moral monsters, committing child sacrifice just because they thought that's what their God wanted?" - WLC "It's totally just that the people who worship my God killed all those people's children because thats what my God wanted!" - WLC "Have you heard the good news of how the God I believe in committed child sacrifice to appease his desire to eternally torture you for being how he made you? Though to be clear the power of that child sacrifice only works if you believe He did the right thing and further more is was worthy or worship BECAUSE he commits child sacrifice." - WLC
damn those Caananites . Peacefully farming and raising livestock while practicing a religion that we dont understand .The Israelites were condemned to wander in a carpark sized space for 40 years trying to find a coastline somewhere . Those Egyptians ( despite being wonders of the ancient world and highly educated) clearly didnt tell Moses which way was North . How dare they !
And don't get me started on those smexy smexy cattle! Given the lifestyle to which they had become accustomed, they were known to back their way onto you while you were sleeping, batting those come-hither cow eyes. Next thing you knew you were offering them a White Russian made with mother's milk. No reason to risk it.
@@AssassinoJakeI suspect some form of fantasy role playing game. If the babies are sacrificed to Yahweh he gets to consume their essence and grow more powerful and the Canaanite gods do not and wither away.
A daughter burned as a sacrifice is an acceptable sacrifice to God as written in Judges 11:30-39 “And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord and sacrificed his child to the lord”
The apologists do exceptional intellectual backflips to dissociate their god from Jephthah, but nowhere in Judges 10 through 12 is Jephthah condemned or rebuked. The text has the daughter herself say that her father must do this (Judges 11 ; 36 KJV). Further, in Judges 12, it says Jephthah 'judged' Israel for six years afterwards and also defeated the Ephraimites, killing 42,000.
Also, the Canaanites fiddled with the Monopoly rules. They placed paid fines on the 'Free Parking' space. The next player to land on this space claimed this bounty. This is utterly unforgivable in the eyes of the Lord. She is a real stickler for rules.
I seem to recall John Oliver making a repeated point for a while (during a certain presidential administration) that "we still have not hit rock bottom, because the bar can always go lower." But I can't find it in text, and it would take a while poring through video to find. In any case, Bill reminded me of that.
Watching LowBar's face in these interviews, I sometimes wonder if part of his mind knows he's full of it but he's gone too far to back out now. He looks so tortured at times. Maybe there's some kind of ironic justice at play.
@@Nocturnalux So convenient when your distant ancestors made up a story about you being special, and that your imaginary friend allows you to take another’s land, because they are not you.
The irony of the people proclaiming Palestinian genocide while the ruling regime in Gaza has openly proclaimed their desire to eliminate every Jew on Earth. All this while terrorists on college campuses exercise intimidation campaigns against anyone who suggests that a Jew might have a Right to exist unmolested. While the Jews on campus are literally being threatened with grape and unaliving without any regard for anything other than the fact that they belong to a particular group of people regardless of the relationship of those people to the State of Israel. To support or attempt to prop up Hamas in any way is to prop up an evil that makes up what it lacks in scope when compared to the Nazi's with an unrivaled inhumane depravity. To want to unleash of Palestinian Arabs on the world amounts to the desire to end humanity.
The Hebrews, Canaanite tribes, are estimated to have appeared about 1200 BCE and didn't become monotheistic until around 900 BCE. Their first king for which there is some evidence that he existed, Omri, was decried by scribes 300 years later for being polytheistic. He didn't fit their revisionist theology.
Is that tortoise the Discworld god Om? Anyone who’s interested in religion should read Small Gods by Terry Pratchett. It’s such an astute observation of how religion functions.
I think somebody needs to go and explain that there were no cameras back then and so the scene he clearly remembers from an orgy involving a buck and a dozen women is actually from the adult movie: Canaanites love getting impaled by hebrews... The same series also has Onan the Arbarian and Lots of incest (with Lot and his daughters)... it's a bit embarrassing to see him confuse these with historical research...
Great job keeping a straight face during the discussion of the "evil babies" that the Israelite's would have been incapable of resisting. Well played sir.
It is so debilitating to feel forced to believe dogma you "almost" know is complete poppycock, because you think you're commanded to-it took me literally years to judge my (and all) religion based on its merits, and no longer on a sense of obligation-felt very strange, but ultimately liberating. You can just tell Craig is really trying to cling to his conditioning, otherwise his entire life will have been a waste (which we know it is).
As a reformed Catholic, I feel great now as I no longer have to believe in transubstantiation, confession, the use of incense, virgin birth, resurrection, miracles, etc. There is often a real cognitive dissonance. I always wanted to ask believers, “do you really believe that”. But I suppose I’d just get this reply: “with god all things are possible”. What a terrible answer to…….. well, anything.
Yes, when "those others" perform human sacrifice, genocide, or just stealing someone else's land, it is horrible, but when god commands it, it is right and good. There are a number of stories in the bible of "right and good" evil.
The Canaanites were Israelites and vv. The Israelites were just pretending they never did these things, and that’s why they edited the OT, but not 100% effectively; Jephtha and Abraham are still (trying to) sacrifice their child, and there are still mentions of giving firstborn children to god.
Don't forget, Billy has had a one on one with the big man upstairs and knows that he's both special and loved. If women and children have to get killed along the way... hey. Its not really all about them, is it...
He's right. They start with different letters, "K" vs. "G", and the spelling is completely different. So why would anyone think that those things are synonymous? 🙄 /sarcasm
God apparently keeps making broken toys, then gets angry when the toys don’t work right, then he smashes them in one way or another. With that kinda role model, it’s no wonder his son destroys fruit trees when they aren’t bearing fruit out of season (Mark 11:12 - 14).
For those of you scoffing at the thought of dangerous babies; I have it on good authority that EVERY SINGLE Hell’s Angel - without exception- started their life as a baby! Now who’s laughing?!
Yes, the Biblical description of the ways of other cultures is always just vague generalization about wickedness and evil, with no specifics. Well, you know what they say: the victors write the histories. And there's no one left to gainsay them.
But that's what is so intriguing about the biblical religions. They are based on the texts of the losers of history. The biblical and parabiblical literatures all attempt to explain how, although Yahweh did NOT protect His few, comparatively insignificant people--or His own Son?--from disasters of every kind, He is still the Man and will eventually vindicate them with a future final victory. The future victory is promised in every size and style, and sometimes it is said to be already shipped, but somehow the believers of every generation are left naked when all is said and done. Yet future believers will go on imagining the Bible as a fashion magazine that promises to make the ordinary readers beautiful someday.
So what is more likely, that the Israelites erased the Caananites from existence through war or that the Caananites ceased to exist when the tribes of that region changed their name to the Israelites?
Bill seemed to be a little excited when recounting the sexual proclivities of the Canaanites. Doth he protest too much? Maybe somebody should do a welfare check on his family pets.
LOL - funnily enough, the supposedly 'immoral literature' from the period sounds just the sort of thing you'd be able to google pretty easily... or perhaps, the bible 'scholar' cited keeps it safe for the private delectation of a few chosen initiates...
I'll never forget getting into an argument with a Jehovah's Witness about the God-ordered genocide of the Canaanites. He offered to loan me a JW book not meant for reading by non-believers that would explain the story. When he returned the following week with the book, he had marked the relevant section, the chapter-heading of which was "The Justification For The Extermination Of The Canaanite People". Creepy.
wait, though--weren't all the horses that would be needed to pull the egyptian chariots dead by plague when the egyptians went after the escaping israelites? like, after i put the elephant in my refrigerator, don't i have to take it out before i put the giraffe in?
LBB is sharp, his pointy head gives it away. Well done Brian. Someone has to call out this fool. Defending genocide is the last straw(man). LBB Retire!! Pleeeese Retire!!!
I pulled up a few of Clay Jones' articles on the subject, and I'm struck by his use of a quote: _God waited to redeem humankind until they had the chance to be, as_ *2 Live Crew* _once put it, _*_as nasty as they wanna be.”_*
This is going to be amazing to hear just how low bill can get with this one. but I'm sure that he can do it , hope your back feels better soon that really sucks because sometimes you can get comfortable no matter how you sit, stand or try to lay down, again thanks for doing what you do
Just got back from the doctor. I have all kinds of other stuff going on as well. My vitals are shit - BP low, heart rate way high, etc… more blood work tomorrow and more doctors visits ahead. I’m a mess.
It's not enough that WLC holds despicable views, he is also happy to lie about his reasons. But we should expect nothing less from someone who holds up the unjust, rage-filled, genocidal maniac god of Abraham as omni-benevolent when his own holy book clearly shows the opposite.
I can never get over how much and how often apologists are willing to lie for the sake of their supposed "truth." For me, it's the #1 identifying trait of an apologist of any type -- their abandonment of truth as a value and redefinition of "Truth" to include all their lies.
"Even more disgusting that someone would defend a genocide that never took place." I'm not sure I would say that's more disgusting. Confusing? Weird? Ridiculous? Ah, I know. Stupid.
1:40 Study of the literature about Canaan? You mean the Torah, right? He's just repeating the justifications the Israelites gave for their supposed genocide.
Clay Jones Doctor of Ministry, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, 2003 Master of Divinity, American Christian Theological Seminary, 1981 Bachelor of Arts in Philosophy, California State University, 1977 Usual Shite!!! 🤣😂 Scholar my arse!!
Thank you for pitching in. I feel b😢d watching this man’s incredible performance without being able to chip in as well. It will be a sad day if Mr D is unable to continue to perform and bring to bare some light on the lack of logic and reason that these people shoveling horse shit our way and trying to make America a Xhristian Nation. I’m pulling for you Brian.
that name, clay jones, rang a bell, and behold the bell is real. tjump wiped the floor with him and here is one comment from the page: @EatHoneyBeeHappy 5 months ago Kudos to Clay Jones for just admitting that Jesus is responsible for the Holocaust, not humans, if Clay's God exists. Not many Christians are willing to say that out loud.
Child sacrifice? Like Abraham and Isaac? I know he didn't actually go through with it, but he was clearly willing to, and God clearly liked that about him.
Horrific adults. Therefore, an ALmighty wizard gave a genocidal order. I think the 1 L in the word "almighty" confuses the abrahamic fans. They don't know that ALL is within the might of the g0d.
I'm currently unemployed but I'll still flip you a tenner Bri Bri. Low Bar Bill seemed a little excited to describe beastiality. Also has he heard of Aztecs?
I keep being amazed how dumb, how inept and how petty the god those people made for themselves is! At least Superman gets to leap tall buildings and stop bullets! :D -We humans are not very good at making up actually godly role models, are we?
Low Bar Bill: "God commanded genocide but actually didn't command genocide if you look at his commands in EXACTLY this manner with your eyes crossed and your head cocked and..." Yeah. This is what we called retroactive revision and it works like this: 1.) Start with the assumption that your god is benevolent and thus would not command ANYTHING h...YOU consider evil. 2.) So if the Bible says that your god did indeed command or do anything that YOU consider evil: -Pretend that the passage is actually not saying what it clearly is saying. This is due to the above assumption. Since your god clearly is benevolent, he truly cannot have commanded or done what the Bible clearly says he commanded and does if that thing it says he commanded and did is, by your reckoning, evil. Hence no matter what the Bible says, it actually didn't say that, and anyone who says that it did is misunderstanding it, they HAVE to be! -Say that your god commanded no such thing but the people under him thought he did, therefore it's THEIR fault not his. Of course this does have the problem of contravening what the Bible says, and we all know the Bible can NEVER be wrong about what your god is like, what he commanded or did, however this isn't anything that the above excuse can't handle. 3.) And remember kids, at the end of the day the Bible is the intractable and historically accurate record of the will of your god above all else.
So the god who was cool with a guy getting stoned for picking up sticks, who set 2 priests on fire for putting perfume on meat, who killed someone for dropping the arc of the covenant, waited hundreds of years to destroy the evil Cannanites?
Or handed the entire enterprise over to one of his sons or councillors or wife or something. Someone with a bit of an ability to forward plan, less anger issues, less tendency to victim blame and actually come up with designs they are happy with before they implement them.
Funny how Yahweh will strike his own "chosen" people dead in an instant if they make a minor mistake. But be literally anyone else then yeah, you've got 400 years to clean up your act, mister! lol
Yes. There's other stuff going on that doesn't make sense - tons of other seemingly unrelated symptoms. But standing, even for a few minutes at a time is exhausting and painful. I had to bring a chair into the studio to sit down after every couple takes. I see the doctor again this morning. Keep your fingers crossed!
So does that mean god enslaved the Israelites ala Egypt while the stew was cooking so he could provide a fully cooked promised land? It's all about presentation
Due to the nature of this content, I'm unable to monetize these this series of videos, so anything you can do to help out will be greatly appreciated. I also want to apologize for the somewhat lackluster performance. I've been suffering severe back pain with two slipped disked. On the upside, since the content keeps these videos from monetization, I've left in the harsh language - which I know you'll all enjoy!
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Slipped disks?! For the excruciating pain that entails, you acted your ass off. I hope for a quick recovery on your end.
That really REALLY sucks to hear about the back issues, appreciate your continuing to make these even with the pain your likely in and even in spite of the lack of monetization no less, but please don't be afraid to take some time off if you need it, from what I understand they tend to take like a month and a half to heal. Maybe see if you can get you can get some guests to make videos for you so your youtube algorithm doesn't get messed up. I actually wouldn't mind seeing other youtubers like Paulogia, Prophet of Zod, etc. try to make videos in the WoTM style. Or maybe Pinecreek Doug doing a misterdeity roast video or something?
Regardless, I continue to VERY much appreciate you and all your work! As the saying goes, hope you get well soon!
F*** so sorry dear brother, please try to take it easy, i know how bad this is
Jeez that kind of pain is a real spoiler for everything and yet you were a total champ in this video! Hoping for the best outcome for your back and your channel 💪🏼💪🏼
'I have a friend who has done a study on pre Israelite Canaan and it is horrific'. I’m 100% sure Bills friend got all of his horrific info on the evil Canaanite’s for his 'unbiased' historical study from the Bible.
When you are so far into apologising for genocide you can justify anything....
I am not ageist. I have friends who are babies, but I will actively avoid groups of babies hanging out on the street.
If you want an example of how Biblical morality resounds down the centuries, todays spectacle of the Israeli state razing Gaza to the ground, and invoking the Amalekite genocide as justification, is compelling
It's turtles all the way down with clownish WLC's denial of reality...
I like Bill's "concerned face" while Alex is explaining god's command to commit genocide. And then he says, "The children are the difficult part."
Right, because an omniscient, omnipotent, all loving god couldn't possibly figure out a different way to fix his "perfect" creation.
Supercilious is the word you’re looking for.
for someone who created an entire universe you'd think he could relocate both the canaanites and israelites no problem. which makes me ask, why hell? why not just give sinners planet sin and non sinners planet non sin, and neither know the other exist?
I looked up Clay Jones in the Dissertation Abstracts. This is the database where, anyone who gets a PhD from an accredited institution in the US submits their thesis. My thesis is there. Martin Luthter King, Jr.'s thesis is there. So is Bill Cosby's and Laura Schlessinger, and Dale Allison's.
I did not find Clay Jones, so either he did not get his PhD in the US (like Bill Craig, whose PhD is from Birmingham and so is not in the database) or it's not from an accredited institution in the US.
Whoops, I was right. Professor Clay Jones has "Doctor of Ministry" degree from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. Not a PhD.
Now, TEDS does have a PhD program. There are hundreds of TEDS PhD graduates. They have absolutely relevant PhD theses, like
"The rationality of religious belief in a postmodern age"
"The rise of the Parachurch Movement in American Protestant Christianity during the 1930s and 1940s: A detailed study of the beginnings of the Navigators, Young Life and Youth for Christ International"
"Covenantal ethics: A study in contrast. A comparison and evaluation of two contemporary models of Christian ethics that use "covenant" as a central theme"
"The Joseph Narrative: Genesis 37-39. An analysis of three modern textual approaches"
Notice the one thing about these PhD topics: they aren't apologetics. This is biblical and religious scholarship.
Clay Jones is a "Doctor of Ministry." He's not a scholar of history nor of the bible. As far as I can tell, he's a professional apologist. That's about it.
Perhaps I’ll sound a bit childish in my praise of your research, but ‘day-um,’ that was some impressive detective work. Thanks and (ﾉ_ _)ﾉ =Peace=
Yes DrWLC is leaning on academia again, to borrow credence for his theology. I guess he's not alone in trying to pass off apologetics as academic research. Sad.
That was awesome!!! Thanks for doing all that hard work. Much appreciated! I truly believe I have the best audience in the Anti-theist industrial complex. You guys never cease to amaze me!
@@johnb2649 I have to admit, as one who has a PhD in the dissertation abstracts and is a Professor, I tend to be a little gatekeeping when it comes to claims of being a professional scholar. Fake degrees and attempts to equivocate degree credentials really bother me. It ranges from complete jokes like Kent Hovind and mail-order degrees to legitimate PhDs who try to use their credentials to speak outside their expertise (see Mayim Bialik). In that case, my response is, "I also have a PhD and say that person is full of crap" and so we're even.
I think that people with a PhD have a responsibility to apply ourselves properly, use our expertise where our expertise applies, and when it doesn't apply, defer to those who have it.
And I get mad when non-experts try to fool people by equivocating themselves with real experts.
As such, I keep tools like Dissertation Abstracts handy.
i don't really like alex o'conner, too poncified for me, but EXTREME kudos to him for keeping a straight face while asking if there wasn't even ONE person worth saving.
Alex is a Brit, they all sound like that 😉
It's revolting to see an otherwise well-mannered and quite likeable person defend genocide... It makes my stomach turn...
Nothing likable about Craig.
Took me a moment to realise you were talking about WLC.
@@Nocturnalux Compare him to the likes of Frank Turek or Mike Winger and you'll get my point.
@@gdevelek Not really. Craig is smug like wow and well known for being really nasty. Like that one time he said Paulogia had a “braindead faith” and went on to insult him for having been indoctrinated…as if his fans were not the same.
Yeah manners and decency are not the same thing.
Alex couldn't be more wrong. The donkeys, cattle, sheep and goats not evil? Of course they were. The sheep are always tempting the men. The goats, well the goats are so evil that can go unsaid. Well I've never met an evil cow, but I can imagine one. And Evil Donkeys is another great band name that needs to happen, but if you look up evil, I'm pretty sure you'll find a picture of a donkey.
Evil Donkeys would also be a great tag team name for WWE.
"Can you believe these moral monsters, committing child sacrifice just because they thought that's what their God wanted?" - WLC
"It's totally just that the people who worship my God killed all those people's children because thats what my God wanted!" - WLC
"Have you heard the good news of how the God I believe in committed child sacrifice to appease his desire to eternally torture you for being how he made you? Though to be clear the power of that child sacrifice only works if you believe He did the right thing and further more is was worthy or worship BECAUSE he commits child sacrifice." - WLC
he is quite insane.
@@HarryNicNicholashe has given up all intellectual integrity and moral sense for a warm fuzzy feeling in his chest
I love how apologists seem to not know or ignore that Hebrews were Canaanites...
I didn't know until I saw Satan's Guide to the Bible but I'm also not Christian so I had no reason to know or care. lol
damn those Caananites . Peacefully farming and raising livestock while practicing a religion that we dont understand .The Israelites were condemned to wander in a carpark sized space for 40 years trying to find a coastline somewhere . Those Egyptians ( despite being wonders of the ancient world and highly educated) clearly didnt tell Moses which way was North . How dare they !
I no longer trust ANY babies- it's just too risky. Who knows what kind of negative influence they might have on me?
And don't get me started on those smexy smexy cattle! Given the lifestyle to which they had become accustomed, they were known to back their way onto you while you were sleeping, batting those come-hither cow eyes. Next thing you knew you were offering them a White Russian made with mother's milk.
No reason to risk it.
@@paulpinecone2464They fell prey to the influence of those immoral donkeys. Never had a chance.
I find Craig genocide apologetics revolting. Literally stomach turning disgust.
Amen!!!
Even Craig must realize that, to anyone of even average moral character, his defense of god-ordered slaughter is repulsive.
I mean maybe they don’t need any of us with empathy and compassion for their project 2025 shenanigans…
Spoiler alert - (tune in to the next episode) but realize he does not... he doubles down in fact. His justification is quite grotesque.
They were practicing child sacrifice, so god was so upset he showed up and sacrificed all the children.
That’s the exact thought I had!
You can't sacrifice children if they are all already dead! Clearly playing some 1d chesd :p
@@AssassinoJakeI suspect some form of fantasy role playing game. If the babies are sacrificed to Yahweh he gets to consume their essence and grow more powerful and the Canaanite gods do not and wither away.
A daughter burned as a sacrifice is an acceptable sacrifice to God as written in Judges 11:30-39 “And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord and sacrificed his child to the lord”
The apologists do exceptional intellectual backflips to dissociate their god from Jephthah, but nowhere in Judges 10 through 12 is Jephthah condemned or rebuked. The text has the daughter herself say that her father must do this (Judges 11 ; 36 KJV). Further, in Judges 12, it says Jephthah 'judged' Israel for six years afterwards and also defeated the Ephraimites, killing 42,000.
The difficult thing is the children. . . Wait, wicked bill just turned a blind eye to genocide. . . 😢 bill, are you really so wicked!?!?!
That this guy is the go-to for apologetic strongmen is proof there is no such thing as an intellectual apologist.
God doesn't seem to be very good at making beings who are moral, which he could do, being an all knowing, all powerful entity!!
Also, the Canaanites fiddled with the Monopoly rules. They placed paid fines on the 'Free Parking' space. The next player to land on this space claimed this bounty. This is utterly unforgivable in the eyes of the Lord. She is a real stickler for rules.
Everybody (C. Brown) knows She's a stickler about her rules....
Thanks BD!
I seem to recall John Oliver making a repeated point for a while (during a certain presidential administration) that "we still have not hit rock bottom, because the bar can always go lower." But I can't find it in text, and it would take a while poring through video to find.
In any case, Bill reminded me of that.
When you have to dig to get to the bar before tunneling under it…
Low Bar 'without any shred of moral' Bill got a new nick.
Can we even call him "Barely Moral Bill"? Because I'm starting to doubt he has any.
Watching LowBar's face in these interviews, I sometimes wonder if part of his mind knows he's full of it but he's gone too far to back out now. He looks so tortured at times. Maybe there's some kind of ironic justice at play.
I'm not even suprised anymore about how low Bill will stoop to make excuses for his big book.
Yeah, we all know that he’ll go as low as he needs to. Thank you so much for the donation. Blessings are headed your way!
@@misterdeity Lisa the Rainbow giraffe will always bestow blessings without any strings attached! 😆
No one talks about how much more horrifying biblically accurate humans would be than biblically accurate angels.
People are defending the current, real-life-actually-happening Palestinian genocide. That is more difficult for me to understand.
There is a connection between the two in a lot of cases.
@@Nocturnalux So convenient when your distant ancestors made up a story about you being special, and that your imaginary friend allows you to take another’s land, because they are not you.
Finally
@@nelsonlee7448 from the river to the sea
The irony of the people proclaiming Palestinian genocide while the ruling regime in Gaza has openly proclaimed their desire to eliminate every Jew on Earth. All this while terrorists on college campuses exercise intimidation campaigns against anyone who suggests that a Jew might have a Right to exist unmolested. While the Jews on campus are literally being threatened with grape and unaliving without any regard for anything other than the fact that they belong to a particular group of people regardless of the relationship of those people to the State of Israel. To support or attempt to prop up Hamas in any way is to prop up an evil that makes up what it lacks in scope when compared to the Nazi's with an unrivaled inhumane depravity. To want to unleash of Palestinian Arabs on the world amounts to the desire to end humanity.
The Hebrews, Canaanite tribes, are estimated to have appeared about 1200 BCE and didn't become monotheistic until around 900 BCE. Their first king for which there is some evidence that he existed, Omri, was decried by scribes 300 years later for being polytheistic. He didn't fit their revisionist theology.
Religion can be truly vomit-inducing.
Is that tortoise the Discworld god Om?
Anyone who’s interested in religion should read Small Gods by Terry Pratchett. It’s such an astute observation of how religion functions.
It's not genocide if you look at it the wrong way - WLC!
I listen to Alex's podcast and it's always interesting to see people with bad reasoning to show their whole ass.
The bible was a such a comfort to own, especially during Covid. It made great toilet paper.
Joint rolling paper for ancient dusty weed found under the couch during the huge cleanup binge. Hmm that sounds awfully specific 🤔💭
I think somebody needs to go and explain that there were no cameras back then and so the scene he clearly remembers from an orgy involving a buck and a dozen women is actually from the adult movie: Canaanites love getting impaled by hebrews... The same series also has Onan the Arbarian and Lots of incest (with Lot and his daughters)...
it's a bit embarrassing to see him confuse these with historical research...
Great job keeping a straight face during the discussion of the "evil babies" that the Israelite's would have been incapable of resisting. Well played sir.
Excusigists got to excuse.
Excuseologist?
It is so debilitating to feel forced to believe dogma you "almost" know is complete poppycock, because you think you're commanded to-it took me literally years to judge my (and all) religion based on its merits, and no longer on a sense of obligation-felt very strange, but ultimately liberating.
You can just tell Craig is really trying to cling to his conditioning, otherwise his entire life will have been a waste (which we know it is).
As a reformed Catholic, I feel great now as I no longer have to believe in transubstantiation, confession, the use of incense, virgin birth, resurrection, miracles, etc. There is often a real cognitive dissonance. I always wanted to ask believers, “do you really believe that”. But I suppose I’d just get this reply: “with god all things are possible”. What a terrible answer to…….. well, anything.
Yes, when "those others" perform human sacrifice, genocide, or just stealing someone else's land, it is horrible, but when god commands it, it is right and good. There are a number of stories in the bible of "right and good" evil.
The Canaanites were Israelites and vv. The Israelites were just pretending they never did these things, and that’s why they edited the OT, but not 100% effectively; Jephtha and Abraham are still (trying to) sacrifice their child, and there are still mentions of giving firstborn children to god.
Don't forget, Billy has had a one on one with the big man upstairs and knows that he's both special and loved. If women and children have to get killed along the way... hey. Its not really all about them, is it...
Anyone: _"How impotent, incompetent & amoral is your God supposed to be?"_
Abrahamic believers: _"YES!!!"_
_"Killing everyone is not genocide."_ [William - _Low Bar Bill_ - Lane Craig]
He's right. They start with different letters, "K" vs. "G", and the spelling is completely different.
So why would anyone think that those things are synonymous? 🙄
/sarcasm
Yeah Manifest Destiny Hebrew Style.
God apparently keeps making broken toys, then gets angry when the toys don’t work right, then he smashes them in one way or another. With that kinda role model, it’s no wonder his son destroys fruit trees when they aren’t bearing fruit out of season (Mark 11:12 - 14).
It's particularly odd since, being all-knowing, he knew the toys wouldn't work right before he even made them the way that he did.
GOD HATES FIGS!!!1!1!!!
For those of you scoffing at the thought of dangerous babies; I have it on good authority that EVERY SINGLE Hell’s Angel - without exception- started their life as a baby!
Now who’s laughing?!
Please tell me your comment is snark.
Every priest, pastor, and preacher, too... 🤔
Yes, the Biblical description of the ways of other cultures is always just vague generalization about wickedness and evil, with no specifics. Well, you know what they say: the victors write the histories. And there's no one left to gainsay them.
But that's what is so intriguing about the biblical religions. They are based on the texts of the losers of history. The biblical and parabiblical literatures all attempt to explain how, although Yahweh did NOT protect His few, comparatively insignificant people--or His own Son?--from disasters of every kind, He is still the Man and will eventually vindicate them with a future final victory. The future victory is promised in every size and style, and sometimes it is said to be already shipped, but somehow the believers of every generation are left naked when all is said and done. Yet future believers will go on imagining the Bible as a fashion magazine that promises to make the ordinary readers beautiful someday.
So what is more likely, that the Israelites erased the Caananites from existence through war or that the Caananites ceased to exist when the tribes of that region changed their name to the Israelites?
Wicked Babies? Perfect band name. Come on man, make it happen. You've got the power. Ooh ooh ooh, better yet, Wicked Babies and the Cannanites.
Wicked Babies & Canaanites is the first album by The Evil Donkeys!
LOL!!!
Thanks!
Bless you!!! I’m sending you indulgences. Sin away!!!
@@misterdeity Paying my backlog off!
It's always been fun mocking poor old LBB, but when you realise he's also a psychopath, it gets somewhat less entertaining.
Bill seemed to be a little excited when recounting the sexual proclivities of the Canaanites. Doth he protest too much? Maybe somebody should do a welfare check on his family pets.
LOL - funnily enough, the supposedly 'immoral literature' from the period sounds just the sort of thing you'd be able to google pretty easily... or perhaps, the bible 'scholar' cited keeps it safe for the private delectation of a few chosen initiates...
my thought exactly!
Yeah, he LOVED giving the salacious details. He’s a creeper!!!
I'll never forget getting into an argument with a Jehovah's Witness about the God-ordered genocide of the Canaanites. He offered to loan me a JW book not meant for reading by non-believers that would explain the story. When he returned the following week with the book, he had marked the relevant section, the chapter-heading of which was "The Justification For The Extermination Of The Canaanite People". Creepy.
So evil can smile too...Nice job William Lame Craig!
"Justifiably permitted"😬
wait, though--weren't all the horses that would be needed to pull the egyptian chariots dead by plague when the egyptians went after the escaping israelites? like, after i put the elephant in my refrigerator, don't i have to take it out before i put the giraffe in?
LOL!!!
Wicked Babies is a great name for a band, preferably one playing Doom Metal.
They are the babies of…My Dying Bride.
Ancient babies?
LBB is sharp, his pointy head gives it away.
Well done Brian. Someone has to call out this fool. Defending genocide is the last straw(man). LBB Retire!! Pleeeese Retire!!!
This is not just an academic issue. Do you suppose this is affecting the modern day Israelites regarding their actions in Gaza?
What a cliffhanger!
You can find all of the supporting documents on Craig's List. Not sure which city, thought.
I pulled up a few of Clay Jones' articles on the subject, and I'm struck by his use of a quote:
_God waited to redeem humankind until they had the chance to be, as_ *2 Live Crew* _once put it, _*_as nasty as they wanna be.”_*
This is going to be amazing to hear just how low bill can get with this one. but I'm sure that he can do it , hope your back feels better soon that really sucks because sometimes you can get comfortable no matter how you sit, stand or try to lay down, again thanks for doing what you do
Just got back from the doctor. I have all kinds of other stuff going on as well. My vitals are shit - BP low, heart rate way high, etc… more blood work tomorrow and more doctors visits ahead. I’m a mess.
Oh, you.
Facts?
WLC?
You make me laugh.
Nicely done!
Babies look cute, but they obviously have a very, very dark side!
Truly sinister!
@@misterdeity Only the left-handed ones.
Thanks! An extra contribution over Patreon...
It's not enough that WLC holds despicable views, he is also happy to lie about his reasons. But we should expect nothing less from someone who holds up the unjust, rage-filled, genocidal maniac god of Abraham as omni-benevolent when his own holy book clearly shows the opposite.
I can never get over how much and how often apologists are willing to lie for the sake of their supposed "truth." For me, it's the #1 identifying trait of an apologist of any type -- their abandonment of truth as a value and redefinition of "Truth" to include all their lies.
@@Cat_Woods Agreed. Of what use is a religion that requires people to lie to defend it?
"Even more disgusting that someone would defend a genocide that never took place."
I'm not sure I would say that's more disgusting. Confusing? Weird? Ridiculous? Ah, I know. Stupid.
1:40 Study of the literature about Canaan? You mean the Torah, right? He's just repeating the justifications the Israelites gave for their supposed genocide.
Much like religion, UA-cam censorship is beyond ridiculous.
Clay Jones
Doctor of Ministry, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, 2003
Master of Divinity, American Christian Theological Seminary, 1981
Bachelor of Arts in Philosophy, California State University, 1977
Usual Shite!!! 🤣😂 Scholar my arse!!
Thank you for pitching in. I feel b😢d watching this man’s incredible performance without being able to chip in as well. It will be a sad day if Mr D is unable to continue to perform and bring to bare some light on the lack of logic and reason that these people shoveling horse shit our way and trying to make America a Xhristian Nation. I’m pulling for you Brian.
Scholars in Christian excuses
Didn't this whole mess start with a child sacrifice and Abraham.
Shhhhhhhh, he lied that first time. Don't think about the second......or the third.
If Yahweh killed all the first born of Egypt was he sacrificing them to Himself or merely committing murder ?
that name, clay jones, rang a bell, and behold the bell is real. tjump wiped the floor with him and here is one comment from the page:
@EatHoneyBeeHappy
5 months ago
Kudos to Clay Jones for just admitting that Jesus is responsible for the Holocaust, not humans, if Clay's God exists. Not many Christians are willing to say that out loud.
Consenting bucks? If so, What’s the harm?
Child sacrifice? Like Abraham and Isaac? I know he didn't actually go through with it, but he was clearly willing to, and God clearly liked that about him.
Read Judges 11 verses 30 - 39.
Bill always sounds like he needs to add more fiber to his diet.
Sure was nice of Yahwey to spare the Egyptians being completely destroyed. I guess it thought the plagues were enough.
Horrific adults. Therefore, an ALmighty wizard gave a genocidal order.
I think the 1 L in the word "almighty" confuses the abrahamic fans. They don't know that ALL is within the might of the g0d.
I'm currently unemployed but I'll still flip you a tenner Bri Bri. Low Bar Bill seemed a little excited to describe beastiality. Also has he heard of Aztecs?
Oh, thanks so much. But make sure you take care of yourself first. I'm sending you blessings and indulgences! Sin away!!!
Wow. Bill is just wretched.
William Lane Craig should be a limbo expert!
Also, I think Alex is mixing up Sodom and Gomorrah with Noah's flood.
I keep being amazed how dumb, how inept and how petty the god those people made for themselves is! At least Superman gets to leap tall buildings and stop bullets! :D -We humans are not very good at making up actually godly role models, are we?
Low Bar Bill: "God commanded genocide but actually didn't command genocide if you look at his commands in EXACTLY this manner with your eyes crossed and your head cocked and..."
Yeah. This is what we called retroactive revision and it works like this:
1.) Start with the assumption that your god is benevolent and thus would not command ANYTHING h...YOU consider evil.
2.) So if the Bible says that your god did indeed command or do anything that YOU consider evil:
-Pretend that the passage is actually not saying what it clearly is saying. This is due to the above assumption. Since your god clearly is benevolent, he truly cannot have commanded or done what the Bible clearly says he commanded and does if that thing it says he commanded and did is, by your reckoning, evil. Hence no matter what the Bible says, it actually didn't say that, and anyone who says that it did is misunderstanding it, they HAVE to be!
-Say that your god commanded no such thing but the people under him thought he did, therefore it's THEIR fault not his. Of course this does have the problem of contravening what the Bible says, and we all know the Bible can NEVER be wrong about what your god is like, what he commanded or did, however this isn't anything that the above excuse can't handle.
3.) And remember kids, at the end of the day the Bible is the intractable and historically accurate record of the will of your god above all else.
"I really didn't say everything I said." - Yogi Berra
So the god who was cool with a guy getting stoned for picking up sticks, who set 2 priests on fire for putting perfume on meat, who killed someone for dropping the arc of the covenant, waited hundreds of years to destroy the evil Cannanites?
"Mounting a buck strapped to a pallet" Well, if you work at Menards, this is going on all the time in the "back room"..
Feeding Algo
Maybe instead of flooding the world Yahweh should have deleted the entire enterprise, and started over from scratch.
Or at least had a good scratch before he started. I know that always helps me first thing in the morning.
Yes, Yahweh should have deleted the entire enterprise, but he continued "to boldly go where no God had gone before."
Or handed the entire enterprise over to one of his sons or councillors or wife or something. Someone with a bit of an ability to forward plan, less anger issues, less tendency to victim blame and actually come up with designs they are happy with before they implement them.
Thanks
It's called being 100% PRO-LIFE! No exceptions, well except......
Sent a few bucks your way to help the cause!
Great content, as always. Take as much time as you need to stay well
💗💖💓👏💯 well done, Brian.
so if you're acting immorally, make sure it doesn't go on for 400 years. THAT'S when this god gets mad. 399 years? you'll be fine.
Funny how Yahweh will strike his own "chosen" people dead in an instant if they make a minor mistake. But be literally anyone else then yeah, you've got 400 years to clean up your act, mister! lol
Mister Deity I like your new work, but damn your older programs very, very nice.
Bri, is it your back that's making you sound out of breath? I'm a little concerned for ya.
Yes. There's other stuff going on that doesn't make sense - tons of other seemingly unrelated symptoms. But standing, even for a few minutes at a time is exhausting and painful. I had to bring a chair into the studio to sit down after every couple takes. I see the doctor again this morning. Keep your fingers crossed!
@@misterdeity I'll play for you (hums quietly).
Thanks! As you state, to WLC and many other Christians, _ANYTHING_ is good if the Tribal War God of Abraham commands it.
So does that mean god enslaved the Israelites ala Egypt while the stew was cooking so he could provide a fully cooked promised land? It's all about presentation