I'm happy with my current build R5 5600(soon to be r7 5700X3D) RTX 3090 24GB EVGA FTW3 64gb ddr4 3600mhz X570 msi wifi edge Corsair 850w 80+Gold Red & Black H510 Gaming at my main monitor 2560x1440p 170hz IPS Gigabyte M27Q 2nd monitor 1920x1080p 144hz Acer VGO Series
Lol, you paid an extra $50 for a marginal improvement over the RX6600🤦♂. And that's just in a synthetic benchmark. Actual gaming performance of my RX6600 is going to be better than your 7600 because I have a 5700X3D, which you could have had for the same total price if you'd grabbed a 6600 for $200 instead of the 7600. But at least you didn't get sucked into AM5. AM5 will never support the new CU-DIMM DDR5 which is why I am waiting for AM6, which will be launched after 9000 series, most likely. I'm going to need at least a 30% uplift to make a platform upgrade make sense. And that probably means getting a first gen AM6 X3D platform when those are available for a good price on the used market in 4 years or so. In that time, I have room for a GPU upgrade or two. Have my sights set on a used 7900GRE in a few months, when they will probably cost around $250 on eBay.
@@Lurch-Bot wow mr high horse there. I went with the 7600 on a bundle deal with some other stuff so the price went from $265 down to $225. Yea the processor is lacking because of the 3d cache and extra 2 cores but it gets me more than by. Warzone, wukong, every game runs flawless for me in 1080p. I had my heart set on the 5600X for some time, cannot explain why it just had to be. Go slime over someone elses build
AMD gpus are way better utilized if you're streaming on YT as opposed to twitch. Twitch doesn't support AV1 encoding for AMD, which the 7600 has, so you're forced to use AMD's crappy h264 encoding, or HEVC, which is decently better, but still not great. Also twitch caps your bitrate around 6-8mbps, which just isn't enough for AMD h264 and HEVC to make look decent, whereas YT allows for up to 20mbps. So even if you don't have a gpu with an AV1 encoder, you can brute force your stream to look better by just throwing more bitrate at it if your internet is good enough.
@@Hallow334 Video export/upscaling is different than streaming on the fly and AV1 is too resource heavy for encoding on a budget PC while game streaming. The consequences tend to be stutter and dropped frames.
I actually bought that maono caster at the pc bros store when I went just cause I wanted to spend some money and I expected it to be junk but it’s actually really great and my mic quality has never been better!
I use to watch these videos religiously until I get got my prebuild 😂 its specs are: Motherboard: Asus Prime B650M-A AX Power supply: 850W ATX 80 Plus Gold GPU: RTX 4080 SUPER 16GB CPU: Ryzen 7 7800x3d RAM: Kingston Fury Beast DDR5 And the monitor I use is the Gigabyte M28U I absolutely love my pc.
This is a really good build. I have something really similar. 7500f is awesome and asrock b650 pg lightning is literally the best board price to performance wise
Hear me out here.... 1 pc 2 gpu. 1 nvidia for streaming and an amd for gaming performance. As long as you can power both safely and both are directx12 should be possible right? Could make for an interesting video 🤔
You can't install both an AMD driver and an Nvidia driver at the same time. Well, you might be able to but it is going to confuse the hell out of your OS. This is literally why DDU exists - because switching between Nvidia and AMD GPUs can be problematic. Now GPU compute does work differently but I never had any luck with mixing GPU brands on the same mining rig. Yes, it is hypothetically possible but neither the OS nor the hardware are really set up for that. What I was able to do is run something as old as 10 series alongside something as new as 30 series in the same rig. But that is most likely down to the CUDA architecture. AMD doesn't have anything like that...yet. I'm planning to get an R7 450 to see if I can offload overhead from Lossless Scaling to a really cheap GPU from my RX6600 and I'm not really very confident it will work because it is so old. I may need at least an RDNA1 GPU such as a 5500 for it to even work because of driver issues and vastly different architecture. At least hypothetically, a GPU without an installed driver for it is just a basic VGA display adapter.
Can you do this but for people who don’t care at all about streaming capabilities. Is there better places to spend money or is there not a different in the build I should do if gaming is the only thing I am looking for in a pc.
hi Toasty Bros can you build a gaming pc using the ASUS Prime H610M-R D4 motherboard i what to know what CPU and GPU you recommend to have a smooth gaming experience
I just wanted to say that the Kyoto map on The Finals is a more demanding map than the rest so that could have contributed to some of the dips in performance from the 4060.
Well does it work? Does it play games fine? Figure it out yourself dude, the proof is right infront of you on your scren my guy.... To me i,d say it will do, 1080p high settings maybe lower settings 1440p if your lucky as the 4060 isnt the best but its fine....your cpu will run with any gpu upto the top dogs so yeah, its fine dude...
A little bit more expensive, but I use a 7800XT to play/stream on a single PC, always looks great… obviously that would be the case having a more powerful GPU
At 6:17 you are installing the GPU, but I notice there is no heat sink over the M2 SSD, where you mentioned earlier it didn't matter that the SSD didn't have heat sink cause most motherboards have a heat sink. So what happens if you don't have the heat sink in the card, but not on the motherboard either. Doesn't it overheat at that point?
SSDs dont need a heatsink, it helps at times but unless you are running a super fast gen 4 drive under full load all the time, it doesn't make a big difference
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Don't see how that would work but I'm not a streamer. Still, unless you had an ARC dGPU and an iGPU of similar architecture, I find it hard to believe it would work because of driver issues. Usually nothing good comes with having two different graphics drivers installed on the same system. This is why DDU exists.
@@Lurch-Bot - That isn't how it works. The iGPU is part of the chip set and Windows itself. They are installed automatically. I know Intel Stream Assist helps with Arc cards. Don't know what helps Nvidia.
At 1080p you'd bottleneck a RTX 3060 12GB, an RTX 2080, and most GPU's that would offer a significant performance uplift over the 1060 you have now You could GPUs of that caliber at 1440p but FPS would not be great, replacing that 7 year old system is my recommendation.
@@PCrealitys Actually, even that 1060 could benefit from upgrading to a Ryzen 5700X3D and that would have some legs because it can handle any consumer GPU out there. The main issue with an 8700K/1060 build is that you're going to be bottlenecking the GPU in a lot of recent titles due to having an anemic single thread score compared to recent CPUs.
Just buy whatever suits your taste/budget. My desktop is all AMD now, but I've had Nvidia in the past and it was also great. And my old laptop has a Haswell CPU+GPU combo and works like a charm for its age.
I use a Haswell i7 with a GTX 670 for playing older games. My main PC is all AMD and I don't see that changing anytime soon. intel CPUs are a hot mess these days and Jensen Huang has forgotten that 90% of GPU sales are budget GPUs. Fortunately, game devs seem to be starting to get the message that most people are fed up with buying games that won't run well on a budget gaming PC. But the industry will take a couple more years to sort itself out. Eventually Jensen will also get the message. I expect AMD GPU market share to skyrocket in the next couple of years. As for CPUs, there is no question that AMD makes the best gaming CPUs currently. intel won't be able to compete until they pull out a clean sheet of paper and start from scratch. Underneath it all, the P6 microarchitecture from 1995 underpins every intel CPU architecture since they dropped Netburst and that's the whole problem. Ditching HT for Core Ultra was simply necessary to prevent the CPUs from self-destructing and the efficiency claims are BS. They can drop power consumption by 100W on an i9 and it is still woefully inefficient compared to Ryzen.
for budget streaming intel wins over both. the arc gpus are very nicely priced and have a ton of horsepower for the price and AV1 encoding edit: also H.264 encoding
AMD also has AV1.... I can't think of any situation where Intel would be the better budget option outside of buying used, they aren't terrible but they still aren't great either. AMD also has fluid motion frames 2 now which is quite good
@@MrBeetsGaming Arc cards dont have the same amount of experience as Nvidia and amd have, but for creators they seem to be the better pick cause they have H264 too (until twitch finally supports av1) and they also have deeplink which is basically just letting ur iGpu and dedicated gpu work together when streaming editing etc. (amd doesnt have that) but if ur just focused on gaming i'd get amd
That's how I would do it and is why my 4k60 Pro is in my Haswell i7/GTX 670 machine I use for playing older games. I like to record gameplay footage at high bitrate, which is similar to a quality stream and my main PC isn't all that powerful.
@@mhaden-k8z It is still detracting from game performance, regardless. If you are playing a competitive online game, you don't want any resources wasted on anything that isn't absolutely necessary for playing the game. Streaming/recording can cause frame drops and stutters too.
Previous to my 4070S I had 2 Radeons, the 6800 and the 7900GRE, I love the Radeon Drivers, the GPUS not so much. They aint bad, but they just cant beat Nvidia, Saying that though AMD cpus are killer atm
Biased review because the RX 7600 can make use of the AV1 encoder and the RTX 4060. You never even attempted in using AV1 for both of them to see which has better performance.
@@ToastyBros UA-cam is quickly overtaking Twitch.. I noticed you guys have been steaming to UA-cam more and more.....come on you know the day is coming where you guys get over 1k watching your youtube build streams...it's gonna happen.. I'll be watchin on da tube!
Nvidia rules at live-streaming, if you need more FPS get a stronger GPU Sorry AMD, you're still primary gaming GPUs and that's the bottom line, you can gloss over the lack luster performance at other tasks but its just gloss.
On Twitch yes but not on all streaming platforms like YT where AMD can use AV1 which is way better. But twitch will be bring AV1 soon so we will see then.
IslandBoi OSB has a lot of good features and is the go to app for a lot of streamers, However it is not as efficient at recording and streaming live gameplay as Nvidia's Shadowplay which uses the GPU and takes a load off the CPU ,the new Nvidia App has added some nice recording features as well Until the day AMD creates their own GPU recorder,Nvidia will likely always have an edge by default.
ikram My gmail account got hacked and I had to delete it, therefore this is a new account, which is an odd thing to attack me with over a discussion on GPUs
Lol, you can't have a latency of zero. And I have seen evidence that some games introduce artificial network latency anyway. Latency also depends on the quality of your internet connection.
I have omen 25L first pre-built, I’m on level 2 I want better parts but it’s to a point I don’t know what to do. Should I upgrade parts just like a new gpu or cpu. I know I want more juice but not sure where to go, the 1660 super not cutting it was a good upgrade from console but I want new, same with cpu I have i5 10400, I feel like if I upgrade both I would need a new power supply. Then motherboard like then that’s me building pc but I kinda want a update more up to date pc
Hey guys, im building a new pc and my budget is around 650$ ..and i can stretch it upto 680$ and thats the max... Amd am5 is too costly here ( I live in india ) and im reluctant to go with used products... Im thinking of going with ryzen 5 5600 + 32 gb ddr4 3200mhz + rtx 3060/4060 .... If i compromise with the gpu and opt for rx6600 ... I can go for ryzen 7 5700x ... I will use this pc for my design tools ( autocad and google SketchUp) and streaming games ( cod warzone , cs 2 valorant... ) What to doo ? Will ryzen 5 5600 survive 2025 and 2026 ??
Get a 5700X3D and a used EVGA 3060 XC 12GB. Best odds of getting you to 2027. You can do frame gen with Lossless scaling. It costs $7 on Steam. The 4060 is not worth it. Also, an 8 core CPU would be better for productivity. If you are planning on streaming, the slight reduction in performance for productivity compared to the 5700X is less important than the improvement over the 5700X in gaming performance you will get from the X3D.
@@Lurch-Bot hmmmm ...that's really a great suggestion, but in India - used pc part market is 99% scam.... So I'd rather buy new setup than to waste my money there.... By the way - how come frame gen with lls be charged via steam? Im new to all the dlls,fsr and all ... I thought dlls and fg were all inbuilt in gpus.... Are they like service type applications??
You guys need to start factoring in sales tax because this is really more like a $900 build. A $1000 build if you put enough storage in it. For gaming and streaming, you should have at least 3TB of storage. I would rather have a Crucial P3 (no plus) than a cheap, DRAM-less Gen 4 drive. Going to perform way better on large transfers. Nominal speeds are useless for comparing real world performance of a NVMe with cache vs a NVMe without cache. Also, doing an AM5 build where you end up with a 7500F and slow DDR5 is just pointless when you could have had a 5700X3D build for the same money or less. AM5 is not going to ever support fully mature DDR5 with the new CU-DIMM and 9000 series could very well end up being the last AM5 generation.
@@vickybilla2477 choose rx 6800 just for the vram they kind blow trades in performance but vram and gaming scenario lately is tuf so anyday for gaming I would get rx 6800
The 4060 is trash but the 7600 equally so, but this is not a good comparison on which to get if you are streaming. The worst 2 cards from each brand, no offense but for saying if I want to stream get Nvidia based on this specific test is not right. Nvidia is better, that's what they say but in my experience on my 6950xt all AMD build I have none and never had any of the issue's you guys had. When I used to rock my 3090 ti build for streaming, never had issues, but for both my builds I have come across where an OBS restart would fix bugs. Running the lower end of a series for AMD & Nvidia for streaming testing is not the way to say, yep stick with Nvidia for streaming cause it is clearly better in this example. The stutter issue that caused AMD to perform weird could EASILY have been OBS and I'll bet it was. OBS is never just bam let's roll type software. I am not biased toward AMD or Nvidia but the 7600 had a leg up on fps over that 4060 and if people are looking for fps and know the issue of that performance issue wasn't AMD related, which in my experience has happened on both my builds, a simple restart, run game before running obs and the problem is gone. Either way the 7600 is the better card in performance and that's my main reason for what I choose in the end.
I have a 5700X3D and a RX6600 and, with a midrange MB, midrange RAM, midrange PSU, cheap case and 3.5TB of total storage (M.2 and SATA) of midrange quality and it cost $1000 with all new parts. Keep in mind whatever number they give is before tax. Buying a used CPU and GPU is a good way to save some money and get a better performing system. I'm planning to upgrade my GPU in a few months to a year with a used 7800XT, likely for around $250.
the rx7600 seams a bit odd but why not, i personally would buy the rx7700. I use the rx6700xt from XFX in my personal Gaming PC, but i needed more Graphics - RAM and not primarily the performance.
@@Mister_Phafanapolis i dont game much and if i play then mostly minecraft modded or sellaris, or cyberpunk. all in 1080p 60hz. so yea nothing that need much on gpu power even cyberpunk runs on ultra with 60hz but without Raytracing and FSR, because of massive input lag. I use Ubuntu as my OS. I need for my Projects a massive amount of cores, that's why i use a AMD Ryzen 9 5950 and about 10gb VRAM and 64gb System Memory. For everything else, i use my VM on my Dell r630 with does not have a GPU but 44cores and 768GB ram over 8 channels on 2 cpus. In therms of raw CPU power the My Ryzen is more or less at the same level, but if you need Penalization then the r630 outperforms nearly 10 times my gaming system, Because of the fact i am able to utilize 96 threads at full tilt. Sometimes i am able to overprovision threads because of IO time, i ran in the end in the issue I have not enough ranks to handle the parallel throughput which slows the system down. my server system has 22 slots with 4 ranks per slot and over 8 channels total on 2 cpus. I find it fascinating how fast in therms of raw CPU power today's CPUs become. My r630 is 9 years old and used two of the top of the line CPU at this time. But its interesting that RAM speed means nothing even if a single sick has the same data rate as 4 sticks of slower RAM. i see the future in gaming not in faster RAM but 4 channels instead of only 2.
Bro i BEG you guys do this. Buy a dell optiplex 3020 sff and strip it turn it into a gaming beast with a 4060 low profile but you have to use a motherboard from the optiplex sff line like use one from the optiplex 7060 and try to make it work
Meanwhile i still stream on a old z440 with the 2667 v4 8 core with a navida 2060 6gb card at 1080 of course but i get smooth gameplay and the stream looks great. I see other streamers with their setups specs on their channels and they are running newer systems better hardware but yet looks bad in comparsion .. no comparison ..had a streamer just yesterday streaming a sim game the same game i stream and he was having major lagging issues ..i was trying to help him figure it out with his ryzen 9 32 gb ram with a 4060 card , but yet i experience 0 issues on the same game ..interesting how that works since all this advanced new hardware.. long live the xeon 😂
You can always play any game, but the G63 with a 2050 your gonna be playing games, but you will have to play them in like 720p or even lower if its a new AAA game, not even HD my man... its not a gaming pc like they advertise, yes it will play games, but how well, not very. Its a 4gb vram gpu in a laptop, it aint gonna be great unless your playing older games or newer games in a really low resolution.... and who wants to do that man, if you cant game in 1080p minimum in 2024 with your computer then whats the point unless is like a retro game or something...
IDK why anyone is bothering to use a 7500F in a build at this price point when the 5700X3D is going for $200. You're not going to be running the upcoming 10GT/s CU-DIMM on any AM5 platform. You'll have to wait for AM6, which won't be as long as most might assume. AM5 is only going to be 2-3 generations. Turing GPUs are an awesome value on the used market right now. Why buy a 4060 or 7600 when you can get a 2080Ti for the same price? You can do frame gen with a $7 app.
@@vidgrabarevic6947 It doesnt really matter cuz the price difference isnt that big and even if u dont get that fps now, its still good to have for in the future. Also what games are u gonna play?
AMD shot themselves in the foot for poor video encoding because every reviewer (who's most likely a streamer) can't properly show recorded gameplay through the most common, conventional means. It's literally bad marketing.
i been watching allot of performance videos on the rtx 4060 people said the 3060 is better than the 4060 i seen the tests and also my nephew used too use the 4060 till he got a 4080 ti his pc did not crash for streaming he likes gaming on max settings on ever since he did the upgrade too a 4080 he loves his 4080 now
I'm happy with my current build
R5 5600(soon to be r7 5700X3D)
RTX 3090 24GB EVGA FTW3
64gb ddr4 3600mhz
X570 msi wifi edge
Corsair 850w 80+Gold
Red & Black H510
Gaming at my main monitor
2560x1440p 170hz IPS
Gigabyte M27Q
2nd monitor
1920x1080p 144hz Acer VGO Series
Goat pc ❤❤ i love rtx 3090❤ cost plz?
5600 with a 3090? Woah
@@Gukokosufr
damn bro great PC
yeah who would not
Im all AMD. 5600x with a 7600 8gb, samson q2u mic. great setup
Ive got a 5600x also & paired with a 6700xt. Ive owned a few nvidia cards previously and love both love my AMD setup,
Lol, you paid an extra $50 for a marginal improvement over the RX6600🤦♂. And that's just in a synthetic benchmark. Actual gaming performance of my RX6600 is going to be better than your 7600 because I have a 5700X3D, which you could have had for the same total price if you'd grabbed a 6600 for $200 instead of the 7600.
But at least you didn't get sucked into AM5. AM5 will never support the new CU-DIMM DDR5 which is why I am waiting for AM6, which will be launched after 9000 series, most likely.
I'm going to need at least a 30% uplift to make a platform upgrade make sense. And that probably means getting a first gen AM6 X3D platform when those are available for a good price on the used market in 4 years or so.
In that time, I have room for a GPU upgrade or two. Have my sights set on a used 7900GRE in a few months, when they will probably cost around $250 on eBay.
@@Lurch-Bot wow mr high horse there. I went with the 7600 on a bundle deal with some other stuff so the price went from $265 down to $225. Yea the processor is lacking because of the 3d cache and extra 2 cores but it gets me more than by. Warzone, wukong, every game runs flawless for me in 1080p. I had my heart set on the 5600X for some time, cannot explain why it just had to be. Go slime over someone elses build
@@MrMarrok657 ignore that guy nice build bro
@@MrMarrok657 you should only be worried if the usage of your CPU is high while the usage of your GPU is low
Team AMD UNITE!!
AMD > Ryzen
Nvidia > RTX
Ryzen 4070 >>> Any GPU
Nvidia is way better in live streaming
amd fan boy here
AMD gpus are way better utilized if you're streaming on YT as opposed to twitch. Twitch doesn't support AV1 encoding for AMD, which the 7600 has, so you're forced to use AMD's crappy h264 encoding, or HEVC, which is decently better, but still not great.
Also twitch caps your bitrate around 6-8mbps, which just isn't enough for AMD h264 and HEVC to make look decent, whereas YT allows for up to 20mbps. So even if you don't have a gpu with an AV1 encoder, you can brute force your stream to look better by just throwing more bitrate at it if your internet is good enough.
True Truew True. If Twitch doesn't support AV1 soon they'll get overtaken. UA-cam is already gaining steam from streamers already.
It was announced at twitch con that AV1 support is coming
Most of the reason nvidia is better for streaming is due to this poor support from twitch
Nvenc > av1
Streamers are using Nvidia GPU, even Asmongold's selling prebuilt PC with Nvidia gpu
@@brettevans2138 Thank the heavens
Yall should do an A770 streaming build since it’s in the same price category if not cheaper at times, plus it has 16gb of vram!
the problem is with h.264 not AMD, all my radeon cards stream over AV1 great
I use AV1 for upscaling and it is light years better than H.264 and H.265. Half the file size and much better quality video.
I hope so because that 7900xt is 650 and I want it
@@terrylott1467 Great GPU!
@@Hallow334 Video export/upscaling is different than streaming on the fly and AV1 is too resource heavy for encoding on a budget PC while game streaming. The consequences tend to be stutter and dropped frames.
The fact that the ceos of the 2 companies are cousins
It’s a big club and we’re not in it.
Every family reunion, they elders will say "why isn't your company as big as Jensen's!!!"
@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 "Your cousin Jensen started doing calculus from age 3 and now has the largest company in the world"
I actually bought that maono caster at the pc bros store when I went just cause I wanted to spend some money and I expected it to be junk but it’s actually really great and my mic quality has never been better!
I want to see a $750 intel/nvidia vs amd/amd build and see how they compare.
13600k + 6700xt
Lol, are people still building gaming PCs with intel CPUs?
@@Lurch-Bot yea? Intel is still better in: video editing(igpu side), gaming (% lows and latency) and power usage at idle.
Imo I thinking a 2080 ti is a sleeper hit at 250 used, you can build a PC with all new parts other then the GPU for 500/550
Cool MAONO stuff with good price performance! Thanks for introducing this great brand!
Thanks for this video!
You need a Clyde "Knuckles" Smith option on that voice changer. And Super Troopers!
in the past 2 months ive gotten a 7600 for $191 and 6800 For $319 lol gotta love amd
Where you getting the money? 😂
Was that at microcenter?
6800 for $319 is a steal
@@anthonygibbons949around $250 in my country
Team AMD since the 90's when they were ATI. I have a 5900x and XFX 7900 XTX.
I'm all-AMD with an R7-5800X3D and an RX 7900 XTX 24GB.
I have no idea why this Video is So underrated, cause this Topic is a very popular one.
"Pre-tax." American pricing is so deceptive.
(I know why, but it still feels wrong: the price you see should be the price you pay.)
The deep voice sounds like Wendells voice of Level1Tech lol
I use to watch these videos religiously until I get got my prebuild 😂 its specs are:
Motherboard: Asus Prime B650M-A AX
Power supply: 850W ATX 80 Plus Gold
GPU: RTX 4080 SUPER 16GB
CPU: Ryzen 7 7800x3d
RAM: Kingston Fury Beast DDR5
And the monitor I use is the Gigabyte M28U
I absolutely love my pc.
Nice application of jazz flute!
I'm saving up for a PC upgrade (in due time) - how well would this specific rig run D4 while also running say Amazon Prime movie streaming?
This is a really good build. I have something really similar. 7500f is awesome and asrock b650 pg lightning is literally the best board price to performance wise
I went full AMD recently and Im loving it. 7600x with 7700xt, never going back to Nvidia or Intel
All AMD here. Even have it tattooed on my shoulder.
Finally the video I'm waiting for
Hear me out here.... 1 pc 2 gpu. 1 nvidia for streaming and an amd for gaming performance. As long as you can power both safely and both are directx12 should be possible right? Could make for an interesting video 🤔
You can't install both an AMD driver and an Nvidia driver at the same time. Well, you might be able to but it is going to confuse the hell out of your OS. This is literally why DDU exists - because switching between Nvidia and AMD GPUs can be problematic.
Now GPU compute does work differently but I never had any luck with mixing GPU brands on the same mining rig. Yes, it is hypothetically possible but neither the OS nor the hardware are really set up for that. What I was able to do is run something as old as 10 series alongside something as new as 30 series in the same rig. But that is most likely down to the CUDA architecture. AMD doesn't have anything like that...yet.
I'm planning to get an R7 450 to see if I can offload overhead from Lossless Scaling to a really cheap GPU from my RX6600 and I'm not really very confident it will work because it is so old. I may need at least an RDNA1 GPU such as a 5500 for it to even work because of driver issues and vastly different architecture.
At least hypothetically, a GPU without an installed driver for it is just a basic VGA display adapter.
Can you do this but for people who don’t care at all about streaming capabilities. Is there better places to spend money or is there not a different in the build I should do if gaming is the only thing I am looking for in a pc.
hi Toasty Bros can you build a gaming pc using the ASUS Prime H610M-R D4 motherboard i what to know what CPU and GPU you recommend to have a smooth gaming experience
I just wanted to say that the Kyoto map on The Finals is a more demanding map than the rest so that could have contributed to some of the dips in performance from the 4060.
How much, can I buy a PC from here, that you guys are building for the gaming along streaming
🔥The Vid is fire lol!!!
ah the same parts im going to buy for my new pc build
Can you do a laptop version of this?!
this is so confusing. what should i buy 6700xt or 4060 for streaming heavy game.
they said 4060
hey guys really would love some feedback i recently purchased Ryzen 5 5600X NVIDIA RTX 4060 with a asrocl b450 hdv is it a good combo?
Well does it work? Does it play games fine? Figure it out yourself dude, the proof is right infront of you on your scren my guy.... To me i,d say it will do, 1080p high settings maybe lower settings 1440p if your lucky as the 4060 isnt the best but its fine....your cpu will run with any gpu upto the top dogs so yeah, its fine dude...
What’s y’all’s thought on Amd not making high end gpu after this series
Love it, but we are biased we love the budget side of things
I have a all amd build. 7900x and a 6800xt never had a issue with live streaming and recording over OBS.
So how about you cap your FPS at around 120 with an AMD GPU and stream, wouldn't that provide a bit more stable performance?
Finall the video i want to see
A little bit more expensive, but I use a 7800XT to play/stream on a single PC, always looks great… obviously that would be the case having a more powerful GPU
Where is my Intel arc builds at?
At 6:17 you are installing the GPU, but I notice there is no heat sink over the M2 SSD, where you mentioned earlier it didn't matter that the SSD didn't have heat sink cause most motherboards have a heat sink. So what happens if you don't have the heat sink in the card, but not on the motherboard either. Doesn't it overheat at that point?
SSDs dont need a heatsink, it helps at times but unless you are running a super fast gen 4 drive under full load all the time, it doesn't make a big difference
I second the guy mentioning intel, Why was it not included? At least an arc580 or greater. I though NVidia was the winner. Say no to stutter nite!
Jesus christ, was this an AMD v Nvidia video or just an entire ad spot for Maono.
I have a Maono mic and boom arm combo. Not bad for the price.
Thought the same, I really tried to be interested but damn, the entire video felt like a TV ad
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I would have liked to see an Intel gaming PC built as well. My understanding is that imbedded graphics can be used to help live streaming quite a bit.
Don't see how that would work but I'm not a streamer. Still, unless you had an ARC dGPU and an iGPU of similar architecture, I find it hard to believe it would work because of driver issues. Usually nothing good comes with having two different graphics drivers installed on the same system. This is why DDU exists.
@@Lurch-Bot - That isn't how it works. The iGPU is part of the chip set and Windows itself. They are installed automatically. I know Intel Stream Assist helps with Arc cards. Don't know what helps Nvidia.
Please do a $1000 challenge for VR....
they buy the same parts that im going to buy for my pc build
Currently I have an i7 8700k and a GTX 1060 6GB. What would be a good GPU to upgrade to?
At 1080p you'd bottleneck a RTX 3060 12GB, an RTX 2080, and most GPU's that would offer a significant performance uplift over the 1060 you have now You could GPUs of that caliber at 1440p but FPS would not be great, replacing that 7 year old system is my recommendation.
4060
@@PCrealitys Actually, even that 1060 could benefit from upgrading to a Ryzen 5700X3D and that would have some legs because it can handle any consumer GPU out there. The main issue with an 8700K/1060 build is that you're going to be bottlenecking the GPU in a lot of recent titles due to having an anemic single thread score compared to recent CPUs.
Just buy whatever suits your taste/budget. My desktop is all AMD now, but I've had Nvidia in the past and it was also great. And my old laptop has a Haswell CPU+GPU combo and works like a charm for its age.
I use a Haswell i7 with a GTX 670 for playing older games. My main PC is all AMD and I don't see that changing anytime soon. intel CPUs are a hot mess these days and Jensen Huang has forgotten that 90% of GPU sales are budget GPUs.
Fortunately, game devs seem to be starting to get the message that most people are fed up with buying games that won't run well on a budget gaming PC. But the industry will take a couple more years to sort itself out. Eventually Jensen will also get the message. I expect AMD GPU market share to skyrocket in the next couple of years. As for CPUs, there is no question that AMD makes the best gaming CPUs currently. intel won't be able to compete until they pull out a clean sheet of paper and start from scratch. Underneath it all, the P6 microarchitecture from 1995 underpins every intel CPU architecture since they dropped Netburst and that's the whole problem. Ditching HT for Core Ultra was simply necessary to prevent the CPUs from self-destructing and the efficiency claims are BS. They can drop power consumption by 100W on an i9 and it is still woefully inefficient compared to Ryzen.
for budget streaming intel wins over both.
the arc gpus are very nicely priced and have a ton of horsepower for the price and AV1 encoding
edit: also H.264 encoding
Doesn't twitch not accept av1 encoding?
@@FelipeOliveira-bj6mk yeah they dont but arc also support H.264 i forgot to mention
AMD also has AV1.... I can't think of any situation where Intel would be the better budget option outside of buying used, they aren't terrible but they still aren't great either. AMD also has fluid motion frames 2 now which is quite good
@@MrBeetsGaming Arc cards dont have the same amount of experience as Nvidia and amd have, but for creators they seem to be the better pick cause they have H264 too (until twitch finally supports av1) and they also have deeplink which is basically just letting ur iGpu and dedicated gpu work together when streaming editing etc. (amd doesnt have that) but if ur just focused on gaming i'd get amd
If you can't do AV1, I'm not interested.
If you're streaming your self playing games for a living, you 're doing it on a separate PC, right?
Why ? I never needed a second pc . You just have to know how to setup obs .
@@mhaden-k8z Streaming uses resources that you could be using to run the game, no matter how powerful your gaming rig or how expertly you set up OBS.
@@rangersmith4652 most pc's today can handle the resources streaming requires. There are exceptions depending on what one wants to do or add ..
That's how I would do it and is why my 4k60 Pro is in my Haswell i7/GTX 670 machine I use for playing older games. I like to record gameplay footage at high bitrate, which is similar to a quality stream and my main PC isn't all that powerful.
@@mhaden-k8z It is still detracting from game performance, regardless. If you are playing a competitive online game, you don't want any resources wasted on anything that isn't absolutely necessary for playing the game. Streaming/recording can cause frame drops and stutters too.
Previous to my 4070S I had 2 Radeons, the 6800 and the 7900GRE, I love the Radeon Drivers, the GPUS not so much. They aint bad, but they just cant beat Nvidia, Saying that though AMD cpus are killer atm
Biased review because the RX 7600 can make use of the AV1 encoder and the RTX 4060.
You never even attempted in using AV1 for both of them to see which has better performance.
Until all the major streaming platforms accept AV1 it doesn’t make sense to test
@@ToastyBros UA-cam is quickly overtaking Twitch.. I noticed you guys have been steaming to UA-cam more and more.....come on you know the day is coming where you guys get over 1k watching your youtube build streams...it's gonna happen.. I'll be watchin on da tube!
The smart people are streaming to both UA-cam and twitch at the same time and making money off both.
@@darkkingastos4369 Twitch is still number 1 gaming stream. Until then Nvidia > amd
@@adlibconstitution1609 Still number 1, but remember before there was Facebook there was Myspace.
Looking at either the Okinos Aqua 3 or the Zalman P10. They’re within $5 of each other on Amazon. Anybody have any input/advice?
Aqua 3 is better with the extra two fans imo
@@ToastyBros Thank you!
I NEEEED THIS PC 🥺
@ToastyBros PLEASE CAN YOU TRY IT WITH AN RX6600?
We did already! Watch the $500 AMD vs Nvidia video we did
Both navidia and amd looks same to me on the final game only different amd had screen tearing
You guys probably dont need 48v enabled for that microphone. Might cause damage
is it worth upgrading from a ryzen 5 5500 to a ryzen 7 7800x3d
Bruh WTF of course
you may run into stuttering issues if you dont launch OBS with admin perms
Nvidia rules at live-streaming, if you need more FPS get a stronger GPU Sorry AMD, you're still primary gaming GPUs and that's the bottom line, you can gloss over the lack luster performance at other tasks but its just gloss.
On Twitch yes but not on all streaming platforms like YT where AMD can use AV1 which is way better. But twitch will be bring AV1 soon so we will see then.
IslandBoi OSB has a lot of good features and is the go to app for a lot of streamers, However it is not as efficient at recording and streaming live gameplay as Nvidia's Shadowplay which uses the GPU and takes a load off the CPU ,the new Nvidia App has added some nice recording features as well Until the day AMD creates their own GPU recorder,Nvidia will likely always have an edge by default.
2 weeks old UA-cam account😭🙏
@@IslandaBoi Even in UA-cam Nvidia is better
ikram My gmail account got hacked and I had to delete it, therefore this is a new account, which is an odd thing to attack me with over a discussion on GPUs
Where do you guys get your parts new and used because I want to build a pc but don’t know where to get parts
You should have gone with 7700 XT since it's only just over $340 now
There's no stock cooler for that cpu matt. Jackson just said that.
It doesn’t come with one but you can buy a stock cooler for less than the ID cooling cooler
can yall build me one, i just turned 16 and i always wanted a pc that would make me able to stream and record my gameplay with 0 ping?
the specs don't matter if you want good ping the ping in games depend where you live also what game ex Fortnite would be best in Dallas Texas
Lol, you can't have a latency of zero. And I have seen evidence that some games introduce artificial network latency anyway. Latency also depends on the quality of your internet connection.
@@Lurch-Bot thank you
I have omen 25L first pre-built, I’m on level 2 I want better parts but it’s to a point I don’t know what to do. Should I upgrade parts just like a new gpu or cpu. I know I want more juice but not sure where to go, the 1660 super not cutting it was a good upgrade from console but I want new, same with cpu I have i5 10400, I feel like if I upgrade both I would need a new power supply. Then motherboard like then that’s me building pc but I kinda want a update more up to date pc
i have that same case for my pc
Hey guys, im building a new pc and my budget is around 650$ ..and i can stretch it upto 680$ and thats the max... Amd am5 is too costly here ( I live in india ) and im reluctant to go with used products...
Im thinking of going with ryzen 5 5600 + 32 gb ddr4 3200mhz + rtx 3060/4060 .... If i compromise with the gpu and opt for rx6600 ... I can go for ryzen 7 5700x ... I will use this pc for my design tools ( autocad and google SketchUp) and streaming games ( cod warzone , cs 2 valorant... ) What to doo ? Will ryzen 5 5600 survive 2025 and 2026 ??
Get a 5700X3D and a used EVGA 3060 XC 12GB. Best odds of getting you to 2027. You can do frame gen with Lossless scaling. It costs $7 on Steam. The 4060 is not worth it. Also, an 8 core CPU would be better for productivity. If you are planning on streaming, the slight reduction in performance for productivity compared to the 5700X is less important than the improvement over the 5700X in gaming performance you will get from the X3D.
@@Lurch-Bot hmmmm ...that's really a great suggestion, but in India - used pc part market is 99% scam.... So I'd rather buy new setup than to waste my money there.... By the way - how come frame gen with lls be charged via steam? Im new to all the dlls,fsr and all ... I thought dlls and fg were all inbuilt in gpus.... Are they like service type applications??
AMD lmao 6750xt or 6800 and a 5800x3D or even a 5700x3D is killing most builds in the tier range
I have that RX 6750xt upgrade to Rx 7900xt😊
AM4 is also a great option, we just prefer for these builds going AM5 for longevity if it means slightly less performance now
4070 destroys those in live streaming
You guys need to start factoring in sales tax because this is really more like a $900 build. A $1000 build if you put enough storage in it. For gaming and streaming, you should have at least 3TB of storage. I would rather have a Crucial P3 (no plus) than a cheap, DRAM-less Gen 4 drive. Going to perform way better on large transfers. Nominal speeds are useless for comparing real world performance of a NVMe with cache vs a NVMe without cache.
Also, doing an AM5 build where you end up with a 7500F and slow DDR5 is just pointless when you could have had a 5700X3D build for the same money or less. AM5 is not going to ever support fully mature DDR5 with the new CU-DIMM and 9000 series could very well end up being the last AM5 generation.
Quick question guys, I've 5600x with rx570, upgrading gpu soon (6800 16gb or 7700xt 12gb) which gpu is best for 5600x?
AMD 7700xt or the 7600 would be best with the ryzen 5600x even better with the x3D variant of that CPU
Both are good options but 7700xt would be good in productivity works
@@DonavenG i cant upgrade cpu now
@@Thehan24 for gaming?
@@vickybilla2477 choose rx 6800 just for the vram they kind blow trades in performance but vram and gaming scenario lately is tuf so anyday for gaming I would get rx 6800
The 4060 is trash but the 7600 equally so, but this is not a good comparison on which to get if you are streaming. The worst 2 cards from each brand, no offense but for saying if I want to stream get Nvidia based on this specific test is not right. Nvidia is better, that's what they say but in my experience on my 6950xt all AMD build I have none and never had any of the issue's you guys had. When I used to rock my 3090 ti build for streaming, never had issues, but for both my builds I have come across where an OBS restart would fix bugs. Running the lower end of a series for AMD & Nvidia for streaming testing is not the way to say, yep stick with Nvidia for streaming cause it is clearly better in this example. The stutter issue that caused AMD to perform weird could EASILY have been OBS and I'll bet it was. OBS is never just bam let's roll type software. I am not biased toward AMD or Nvidia but the 7600 had a leg up on fps over that 4060 and if people are looking for fps and know the issue of that performance issue wasn't AMD related, which in my experience has happened on both my builds, a simple restart, run game before running obs and the problem is gone. Either way the 7600 is the better card in performance and that's my main reason for what I choose in the end.
can you do a best 850 dollar pc. beacuse its very good price for good budged pc but i dont know about components that good.
I have a 5700X3D and a RX6600 and, with a midrange MB, midrange RAM, midrange PSU, cheap case and 3.5TB of total storage (M.2 and SATA) of midrange quality and it cost $1000 with all new parts. Keep in mind whatever number they give is before tax. Buying a used CPU and GPU is a good way to save some money and get a better performing system. I'm planning to upgrade my GPU in a few months to a year with a used 7800XT, likely for around $250.
What about my super cool and powerful 1650… 😎
the rx7600 seams a bit odd but why not, i personally would buy the rx7700. I use the rx6700xt from XFX in my personal Gaming PC, but i needed more Graphics - RAM and not primarily the performance.
Why not buy the 7800? If you’re getting that then might as well step up to the 7900.
@@Mister_Phafanapolis i dont game much and if i play then mostly minecraft modded or sellaris, or cyberpunk. all in 1080p 60hz. so yea nothing that need much on gpu power even cyberpunk runs on ultra with 60hz but without Raytracing and FSR, because of massive input lag. I use Ubuntu as my OS. I need for my Projects a massive amount of cores, that's why i use a AMD Ryzen 9 5950 and about 10gb VRAM and 64gb System Memory. For everything else, i use my VM on my Dell r630 with does not have a GPU but 44cores and 768GB ram over 8 channels on 2 cpus. In therms of raw CPU power the My Ryzen is more or less at the same level, but if you need Penalization then the r630 outperforms nearly 10 times my gaming system, Because of the fact i am able to utilize 96 threads at full tilt. Sometimes i am able to overprovision threads because of IO time, i ran in the end in the issue I have not enough ranks to handle the parallel throughput which slows the system down. my server system has 22 slots with 4 ranks per slot and over 8 channels total on 2 cpus.
I find it fascinating how fast in therms of raw CPU power today's CPUs become. My r630 is 9 years old and used two of the top of the line CPU at this time. But its interesting that RAM speed means nothing even if a single sick has the same data rate as 4 sticks of slower RAM. i see the future in gaming not in faster RAM but 4 channels instead of only 2.
Rx 7600 for budget. It is not odd
Can i have the pc?pls
Next time do intel vs amd
*Not a bad system!*
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I will never switch from AMD CPU and GPU the value for money is just to good.
love your videos Nvidia all the way
Agreed, usually Nvidia is the choice for streaming and does not have weird issues with AMd encoder
@@codedabyssal fanboy detected
@@jigglycheesecakeokay so what? That’s just my opinion on it. I’m not usually a fanboy of who. So think twice before saying that.
@@jigglycheesecakefacts = fan boy? Go look at comparisons, nvenc is so much better and way more efficient than amds encoder.
@@Spectrulight exactly
Bro i BEG you guys do this.
Buy a dell optiplex 3020 sff and strip it
turn it into a gaming beast with a 4060 low profile
but you have to use a motherboard from the optiplex sff line
like use one from the optiplex 7060
and try to make it work
Streaming, content creation, professional work all go better with Nvidia
Nvidia 100% mainly because AVG fps is within 5-10% and nvidia can do more.
Meanwhile i still stream on a old z440 with the 2667 v4 8 core with a navida 2060 6gb card at 1080 of course but i get smooth gameplay and the stream looks great. I see other streamers with their setups specs on their channels and they are running newer systems better hardware but yet looks bad in comparsion .. no comparison ..had a streamer just yesterday streaming a sim game the same game i stream and he was having major lagging issues ..i was trying to help him figure it out with his ryzen 9 32 gb ram with a 4060 card , but yet i experience 0 issues on the same game ..interesting how that works since all this advanced new hardware.. long live the xeon 😂
The RX 6800 XT crushes the 4060.
bro is streaming with h264 encoder while you have av1 encoding and hevc both on amd rx 7600 🤡🤡🤡🤡
AV1 isn't supported on Twitch, which is still the most popular streaming platform
@@kenshisanki so you have hevc and now you can stream in 1440p, even 4k
Once twitch supports it we will test it
@@oreisha9266 Not with Twitch bitrates - it'll look like dookie
@@ToastyBros w Toasty Bros
My girl had mono too. Then she gave it to me. And i gave it to my mom ☺️
Bought a nzxt player 2 had to send back didn’t work
Are there any games I can't play if I get the MSI g63 with an i5 and 2050
You can always play any game, but the G63 with a 2050 your gonna be playing games, but you will have to play them in like 720p or even lower if its a new AAA game, not even HD my man... its not a gaming pc like they advertise, yes it will play games, but how well, not very. Its a 4gb vram gpu in a laptop, it aint gonna be great unless your playing older games or newer games in a really low resolution.... and who wants to do that man, if you cant game in 1080p minimum in 2024 with your computer then whats the point unless is like a retro game or something...
dude i literally just built my buddy a pc with this caseXD
are you sure you dont' mean figuratively?
No way!
@@Haddley333He couldn't have built with the exact case that they used in the video. How could that case be in two places at once?
@@BREEZYM6015 like literally!
Oh my god!!! And.... Its a case bro..... im sure thousands of people built a pc in the same named case as that one...
all amd parts what im going for before they said that
Where do i buy rx 6600 can ship to Philippines please help i want to build my 1st pc❤
Amazon?
The Real Answer: X3D CPU, RTX GPU 😎
IDK why anyone is bothering to use a 7500F in a build at this price point when the 5700X3D is going for $200. You're not going to be running the upcoming 10GT/s CU-DIMM on any AM5 platform. You'll have to wait for AM6, which won't be as long as most might assume. AM5 is only going to be 2-3 generations.
Turing GPUs are an awesome value on the used market right now. Why buy a 4060 or 7600 when you can get a 2080Ti for the same price? You can do frame gen with a $7 app.
Can u recomend me some monitor for ryzen 3 4300g and rx 480
Always go with 144hz until you upgrade ur pc
1080p 24 inch 144hz monitors are nicely priced and good for budget builds. If you plan on upgrading soon you can get 1440p but it will cost more
@@anniewager78 is buying a 165hz monitor good? like what if the PC can't reach 165 fps, will it affect anything?
@@yokingboii I wanted to go with 1080p 100-120hz cuz dont know if my PC can get 144 fps
@@vidgrabarevic6947 It doesnt really matter cuz the price difference isnt that big and even if u dont get that fps now, its still good to have for in the future. Also what games are u gonna play?
AMD shot themselves in the foot for poor video encoding because every reviewer (who's most likely a streamer) can't properly show recorded gameplay through the most common, conventional means. It's literally bad marketing.
i been watching allot of performance videos on the rtx 4060 people said the 3060 is better than the 4060 i seen the tests and also my nephew used too use the 4060 till he got a 4080 ti his pc did not crash for streaming he likes gaming on max settings on ever since he did the upgrade too a 4080 he loves his 4080 now
so the question is, how did his 4060 preform?
Rather get a rtx 2080 super
What the hell is Segotep?
A brand