If You Played Skyrim First, Try This Morrowind Mod - Better Balanced Combat
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- Breaking down the Better Balanced Combat Morrowind mod by SilentNight. A great option for modern RPG players looking to get into Morrowind who cant stand the base game's system or returning players looking for a fresh experience.
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SilentNight has a great video on installing this mod if you are new to modding Morrowind but interested in giving this one a shot. Link in description. For the subs, new 'How to' video up next.
Is it gonna be 'How to Spellsword/Spellblade' ? Great video btw.
How to Alchemy or How to Enchant next. Have had a lot of requests for those along the way, but How to Spellblade is certainly on my to-do list 👍
This is textbook heresy and is fitting for only the most soul crushing result.
Sorry, but most people are too busy having a life to care about such trivial things like gatekeeping old RPG games...
“Playing Morrowind without hit chance, isn’t playing Morrowind.” -some guy who made an 8-hour Morrowind Retrospective
To be fair, it messes up the whole everything. If you build your character right at all, you should be able to hit with your correct weapon type
I should add that I still think the mod is cool and worthwhile. It's not like morrowind is the perfect game ...... CLOSE THO
“Playing Morrowind without hit chance, isn’t playing Morrowind.” - pretentious ass
Fixed that for you. I'm sorry, but I really fucking hate this combat system, I can get used to it, but I wont ever like it and it ruins my enjoyment of this game.
everyone should complete the entire game once without any game altering mods. then they are allowed to install whatever they want.
I like the idea of this mod for trying to turn new players on to the game (my wife tried morrowind and couldn't get past the combat), but it would break my new favorite build (unarmed, unarmored; you rely on the enemy missing when you chip down their fatigue, and this would make them just kill you anyway).
But it also makes play styles from games like Skyrim (A Stealth Archer for example) now playable in the early game, now if your attacks miss is entirely you fault and the gameplay is not frustrating
@@sebastiangudino9377 kinda. Morrowind’s archery was also created with vanilla balance in mind, therefore arrows don’t have gravity or anything like that. And you can be a stealth archer from the beginning, just gotta build your character right.
@@limbsmith Yeah, but it was not very well balanced in the original game. Playing stealth in Morrowind is a chore at the beginning and only begins to be truly fun once you level up a bit. At least in my experience.
@@sebastiangudino9377The main issue with this is that Sneak doesn't level up outside of combat. You need to pay trainers to level it up or use sneak when fighting A LOT. It takes forever to level up on your own, so you are pretty much forced to pay trainers to level it up which isn't bad in vanilla because once you get your speechcraft up a bit, which is super easy, you can get cheap training prices from everyone.
@@husky3g Yeah, I agree, which is kinda my point. Stealth in general in Morrowind can be greatly overhauled
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Correction:
From 2002 to 2011.
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Your channel name is my morning routine.
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Underrated comment.
Thanks! I'm gonna give this a try, would love to see how it changes my run
Love your videos man! Keep em commin! Would be awesome to see some serious TES3MP server content!
Yeah that definitely breaks the game
Props to the mod author for doing an amazing job, this will defenitely appeal to new players, i just have a problem with how easily "cheeseable" the fights are.. the insane speed boost and damage boost are kind of a dealbreaker for me, if it was me making the mod i would have definitely reduced damage to compensate for the fact that there is no "miss and dodge" mechanism, and i would definitely not boost speed as it allows players to just dive in, hit, backpedal and dodge...
Despite that i can see how it would make some fights harder especially for new players
The game increases the attack of the enemies, which to me is a better solution than reducing YOUR attack. But yeah, kiting is very much a problem. Increasing the enemies range and attack speed might be a way to combat that!
I feel like this is great, but could definitely use its own personal difficulty settings so that those unable to learn the combat can still experience the game, but those who are adept at the combat can challenge themselves
This kind of reminds me of that requiem roleplaying mod for skyrim.. Game got hard.
I do feel like you [in this video] were doing too much damage for a 'balance' mod though. Or some of those enemies were doing too little.
Love the people who say it breaks the balance as of Morrowind is balanced 😂
Is that Suikoden music playing in the background? ARE YOU ONE OF MY PEOPLE?!
Wow, I didn't even notice it the first time.
I like vanilla combat a lot and make a mod 2HSpecialAttackMod to improve melee combat experience, if you like vanilla too, please have a try.
In 18:03, what is that trap door on the floor? what mod is that?
Balmora's Underworld. Adds a new quest line and a large underground market beneath the city. Pretty cool!
Well, the mod turn parts this game into reaction based. But the AI and the blocking mechanic are not. It will incredibly broken for those who play this as a standard action game.
Do you need a new character for this?
Interesting mod. I prefer to go to trainers for my archer and other skills.
does this affect magic?
I play this mod with the speed boost disabled. I love it to bit, and that's how I recommend it.
Feels just perfect that way, I honestly feel the speed boost shouldn't have been enabled by default because of how it janks up animations and makes kiting such an easy tactic/exploit. When installing this mod I recommend taking the moment to disable the speed tweaks- vanilla movement honestly isn't that bad once you embrace the atmosphere (I'm a newer player) and it truly lets the mod (and by extension much of morrowind's original combat design) really shine once freed from the chance to hit shackles.
I was actually looking for mods to make Skyrim like morrowind. Morrowind combat makes more sense.
Agreed! So much more fun!
How does stabbing something repeatedly and missing despite seeing the weapon hit make sense?
@@marcusdevonish5097 dice roll, with block, dodge...hit, slash, thrust, swing....morrowind has all of that just doesn't have animation. I don't have such problem with "hitting things repeatedly " because i know what im doing with skills and attributes.
It does not make more sense for my weapon to collide with a rat and the game to say “nuh-uh didn’t happen”. It’s like playing with that kid who is always like “I dodged it, but it was so fast it looked like it hit me”.
@@melancholyentertainment that's what rpg mechanics were back in the days. If you miss rat you are not playing right..
I played Skyrim first, then Oblivion, then Morrowind. The combat is fine as is in Morrowind
I genuinely struggle to see how it is fine. it seems completely immersion breaking to me, as well as removing a lot of the depth you can get from a well crafted modern combat system (keep in mind, the combat in oblivion and skyrim is kinda bad too)
@@HomingAsatoMassok so in other table tops(which is what morrowind and daggerfall are they are just digital) there is usually a combat log which if you miss tells you things like enemy blocked or enemy dodged. You ate supposed to imagine what a realistic fight would look like so in game I'm swinging at a guy with a spear and hitting every 5 times but in my head he's blocking, dashing and dodging. The game doesn't tell you these things you just have to imagine them.
This gets better as yiu level up. At 100 you will it 95% of your swings this makes you feel like you mastered the weapons you picked or trained up.
That is also important you need to pick weapons if a dude who had been streetfighting with his fists his whole life picked up a claymore he wouldn't know how to use it.
Sorry for being a chatterbox*
@jackrabbit7789 I think the difference is that actual tabletop games don't really allow for any alternative to imagination. As an analog medium, there's only so much you can do to represent real-life actions in the game. This is not the case for digital games however. Game developers are able to create mechanics that actually put you in the shoes of your character, ideally making you feel the same way your character would. Things like lack of practice with a certain weapon type can still be represented in a more action-based gameplay system, you'd just alter the attack animation and damage, making it easier for the AI to predict and deal with your attacks. This way, you are the one failing or succeeding at a given task, thus becoming your character.
@@HomingAsatoMass true but this was one of the first truly 3d role playing games and was made in 2003 so I don't think that animations and alternatives like that would have been possible for an at the time dieing studio
@jackrabbit7789 yeah I'm not going to fault Bethesda for it. Morrowind is certainly one of the better games they have made, if not the best, even with its combat not being very good.
I'm mostly just saying that we should probably embrace combat overhaul mods, even if those can come with their own downsides.
Anyone realise how the mod's initials are BBC? Just me?
I am a long time Skyrim player, and managed to tolerate Morrowind's combat system rather well. The one thing that infuriates me is that Fatigue, for how important it is, regenrerates so Goddamn slow. If there's a mod solely with that 1pt Fatigue regeneration, I'll take it.
Today is your lucky day fellow outlander
Fast Fatigue Regen:
www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/49123?tab=description
@@CoffeeNutGaming i tried it, didn't take
@@TheCakeIsNotLie make a CE ring for fatigue
@@indraft7812 I make Constant Effect shoulders of 1 or 2 points each because there's not much else they're good for.
After a lot of tinkering I just resigned to levelling my acrobatics as high as possible asap, because then I get to make shitton of distance wigh a single jump and let my fatigue recover while my opponent kills theirs
That this would murder unarmored playstyle honestly breaks this for me.
Ok... I might sound crazy, but... Is there a mod that puts Morrowind combat in Skyrim? I actually like it
Hi do u use openmw?
Yes, love OpenMW
Dice rule attacks are just annoying and make fights drag out. The combat is definitely one of the main reasons i cant get into the game even though my brother has assured me the game as a whole is amazing. So ik im missing out.
I can live without quest marks. Spent most of my time on skyrim exploring and taking out random dungeons. Though with the limited free time i do have its pretty difficult to knock out any actual quest with the old school system.
Especially once you realize some of the npcs straight up lie to you
I think kiting with spears would be too strong
In my opinion this mod ruins the flow of game where the Early game is supposed to be to make you feel weak with this mod I feel you dont really earn your place in the world when using this
People that have issues with missing attacks and spellcasting, it isn't because the system is too old. It's because the player needs to understand Elder Scrolls isn't Dark Souls. If you swing with a dagger and your character has minimum Short Blade skill, you're not going to successfully hit anything. That isn't because the game needs to be "brought into the modern era," but rather the player needs to rethink what their character skills mean. This isn't better combat, it's artificially destroying the combat balancing of Morrowind.
Correct answer.
ive successfully gotten into morrowind and i enjoy it for what it is and understand its a dice roll mechanic. does it mean the game should have have some extra animations to show missing and actual feed back to the player? yes.
is morrowinds combat as bad as people say it is? nah its worse it absolutally sucks.
People don't understand that stats are way more important in Morrowind and go in thinking it'll play like Skyrim. You level AGL and pick the right sign and stick with weapons you made your class around.
I go Dark Elf with the Sign of The Lovers and never have an issue hitting anything. No mods required. I have 70 AGL out the gate and have no problem hitting most things.
Also I don't like the idea of making it so all enemy attacks also land lmao. You can get one shot in this game like you did lol.
I think this mod only benefits NPC's. Creatures are probably screwed.
Hmm.. the mod completely negating two built in spell features is kind of a problem as well as completely killing unarmored playstyle.. I think i would rather stick with the original system and just download something that adds a balanced regeneration system and speed enhancement seperately..
I gave up on Morrowind because the UI is bugged when using multiple monitors. I know there's a fix but I'm lazy.
Try out OpenMW! I've used it with an ultrawide as well as dual monitor and it works great.
@@CoffeeNutGaming Thanks. I'll check it out.
I don't recommend Better Balanced Combat because it changes a lot of the mechanics and removes certain spells/effects as well "for balance".
You don't need Better Balanced Combat if you pick the right weapon skills/attributes to compliment your chosen weapon choices for your build. As long as you actually pay attention to what you are doing and use the class/attribute/skill system the way it's designed, "missing" attacks rarely happens.
The main complaint I have for the mod is that the "fortify skill" spells and consequently, due to how enchanting requires you know spells with certain effects to use them, "fortify skill" enchantments, are removed by Better Balanced Combat. Morrowind's best feature gets gimped by a mod that essentially only needed to change the way agility works.
Morrowind was designed around freedom of choice - the point that once you become knowledgeable/powerful enough, you can become Godlike and it makes doing anything in the game easy but it takes a bit of time to get there unless you know exactly how to min/max your character into the perfect build with efficiency, which again, takes a lot of experience and knowledge about the game that you aren't going to have your first time through.
11:31 The answer to the question "Is this overpowered?" should be obvious after watching this section. Yes, it is. You cleared basically the whole dungeon without needing to heal or even pause for breath. Right off the bat at the start of the game.
If you're fighting against an enemy you shouldn't be in the vanilla system, you'll know it very quickly as well. You'll get hit a lot and you'll die.
It hurts watching him try to fight with zero fatigue. People still do not understand basic combat mechanics after 20 years, and need to use mods to compensate.
Never used this mod, but I use Accurate Attack. People say it's a cheat, but I like hitting my enemy every time. It's on Nexus if you want to check it out.
I disagree with this mod for me personally. Everyone's tastes are different. It gets enemies stuck on stun animations. Which means you blaze through the game without taking damage. Also as you play through, you go from "rat killed me" to God killer which can be ruined by this mod
Ehhhh, personally feel this mod completely breaks Morrowind. It's like a cheat in mod form.
Fair enough, but I wouldn't recommend the mod for someone looking for the core game experience, but instead for newer players who can't stand the dice roll system or returning players who want to switch it up.
Yeah. It's cheating and removes all challenge.
Morrowind already comes pre broken so who cares i understand preferring vanilla i do too but literally who cares if someone wants to always hit the game is already one of the most horribly balanced broken games in history u can achieve godhood level power at level 2 with a simple understanding of enchantments
Butchers early game. Silent night has a better mod that is vin and omw capable, keeping the rollsi but using them to increase damage.
What is the name of that mod?
I’m a very stubborn man. If I miss, the next hit might not. I don’t care much for the percentile hit chance because frankly it’s frustrating as fuck to watch but if I want something done it takes abit of patience and RESTRAINT.
I don't like this mod. I actually prefer the old dice roll system. It makes it feel more like an RPG than an action game. As long as you simply understand how it works, it shouldn't be much of an issue. It also incentivizes you to actually take seriously your character creation, because if you have level 10 Long blade, you shouldn't be able to use it effectively immediately.
the game is not designed for that
Damn casuals...
So in a nutshell it's a cheat mod, why not just use god mode!
11:40 It hurts watching him try to fight with zero fatigue. People still do not understand basic combat mechanics after 20 years, and need to use mods to compensate.
He knows how fatigue works lmao 😂 u must be new here
@@marlow7376 I've never watched his channel before if that's what you mean. All I have to go off of is the evidence of this video, where he spends a lot of time fighting with zero fatigue. My point being that it's not fair to criticise a game if you're playing it incorrectly.
The fact u see so many people get butthurt about this mod breaking the balance of a game that has no balance but u dont see anyone say this about mods that uncap the spell creator shows how little even diehard fans understand this game sometimes
even uf u uncap spell creator u need very high magic skill to cast it
how to ruin morrowind: tutorial
Yeah, I tried to like Morrowind dice rolls, and actually did at times, but then when going through the main quest I kept getting beaten down by ash ghouls at lvl 25. It was ridiculous. This doesn't really break the game like a lot of people insist it does. In fact, it pretty closely follows progression of the vanilla game where you become a god by lvl 30.
As a huge fan of oblivion I was so disappointed with morrowind when I first played it due to the combat.
the game never actually explained how combat worked so I just assumed since there was no animation to indicate that they dodged or blocked most of my attacks that the hit detection was broke.
I played morrowind when it first came out and thoroughly enjoyed it, recently went back to replay and realised just how spoilt we are in terms of combat. The imagination we had to put in not to mention the patience (walking speed and Morrowind's unique directions) is amazing.
In ye olden days there was something called a 'manual'...
I love these old RPG mechanics they add a layer of strategy and charm from Skyrim's brainlet click to win gameplay. I mean there's a difficulty slider but I guess these mods help for people with fragile egos.
Because instead of click-to-win it has to be click-click-click-click-click-glug fatigue pot-click-click to win, yes. Or maybe you meant Speechcraft, which is pretty much a cookie clicker before there was one?
Screw off with this fragile ego bullshit. I played Morrowind on release, and came off with a feeling that the game didn't respect my time even back then. This mod undoes at least some of it.
@@AreYouOKAni hahahaha i pass morrowind at the time too. but then i met other guy at internet coffee and he had good level of english. he adviced me morrowind he learn it from there. so i turned back. click click click and so on after let say two days of play in real life things started to go much better. best thing in the game. even diablo, baldurs gate, or other rpgs has this, you do not have dexterity you miss.
@@AreYouOKAni This takes every challenge from the game though and already makes you feel like an end-game character like the creator of this vid said himself in the video. I'm sorry but the point where the game quickly becomes the most boring in vanilla Morrowind, is when you're actually a high level charcter.
It's already incedibly easy to become powerful in Morrowind, now that that curve is even flater, I predict you'd get bored even more quick.
The man getting defensive about dice rolling in a 20 year old rpg is going to tell me about fragile ego...
@@necrodan2fragile ego
? Why do people keep ignoring SIMPLE game mechanics?
Just level the ability? Morrowind combat system is really enjoyable, because it simulates how poorly your combat skills are when you're still a NOOB..
It could be better, yes, but it's nothing that complicated ffs..
I find the lack of mana reg way more stressful when you're low level! But again, later, with alchemy, and some spell abuse "Cof, cof, Drain intelligence, cof" you won't miss mana reg..
Just play the game as it is.. learn it.
I dont have the time to learn the game, I need to learn for school
This mod ruins Morrowind's combat. When you remove the dice roll mechanics from using weapons you ruin the game. People complaining about dice roll combat should just go back and play Skyrim or Oblivion.
Morrowind ruins Morrowind's combat. This mod just undoes a little bit of damage.
100 agility and 100 weapon skill and kiting ruins Morrowind's combat.
why turn morrowind into skyrim if you wanna play skyrim jusy play skyrim
Because they dont have the same story?
because i want the story and writing and skywind isn't out yet
The dice-roll combat and spellcasting is perhaps the only bad thing about Morrowind's tabletop mechanics. It has a sense of progression, but it just doesn't work for a real-time game. The 100% hit chance alone massively improves an already excellent game and it doesn't break gameplay.
On one hand, I'm super used to it so I don't even realize it when im playing anymore. On the other hand, I install this mod or play a modern RPG and am like WHOA - this feels so smooth!
It's a hard balance to strike since the game wasnt built for this flow, but this is the best mod I have found so far that can bridge the gap between base and modern and still feel like "Morrowind".
That being said, I'll still play base 99% of the time because the OG combat system allows for so much customization, I rarely mod gameplay, but do think this iis a great alternate experience many people would prefer.
@@CoffeeNutGaming I like the idea of this mod but its actually gonna break my favorite build (the untouchable - high dodge through sanctuary). If your character has the right numbers in the right stats/skills, you will be hitting your targets consistently anyway (without the mod).
That sounds like a great build! You can't beat the customization of approach the base system allows.
@@CoffeeNutGaming I took the argonaut build from CocoSitsFirst ( ua-cam.com/video/Fj1__uH7hfc/v-deo.html ) and modified it a bit. It is very satisfying. You can stand in a crowd of enemies attacking you and everyone misses.
I disagree I think its a fun addition
Play vanilla or go away and cry!
This game has enough ways to make your gameplay easier
If you can't hit, you are not skilled in the weapon. look up a guide. Changing the combat breaks the game immensely, this is the #1 Mod Morrowind fans ask you NOT to download.
the same can be said about literally any balance / gameplay mod. the point is to customize your own gameplay experience. as much as I love morrowind, it's an old and clunky game and if people want to modernize it by installing a mod that affects you in no way, let them. not everyone has to have fun your way, that's the great thing about mods.
@@Axelarden Okay, by your logic, when I play Chess I get to move around the pieces the way I want. So then at that point why play chess. This mod objectively makes it NOT Morrowind. You are removing main design of the game. Using this all weapons hit, so leveling is pointless as why level a weapon when it will hit.
@@eiant8515 the chess analogy makes zero sense because morrowind has official mod support and is not a competitive game, so there are no rules to be enforced. you can do literally anything you want. you're free to play unmodified morrowind all day and the rest of us can mod the game to our personal taste. quit gatekeeping and let people have fun on their own terms.
@@Axelarden 1) not gatekeeping, I'm saying the game is not intended to be played this way and I'm urging people to not play with this mod. Not preventing people from doing it
2) The chess analogy makes sense in the context of you can't not play by the rules of chess and call it chess. This changes morrowind significantly, the leveling changes, the difficulty changes, and the way you go about fighting changes entirely.
3) Although YES you are free to mod the game and I wont stop anyone from doing so. This kind of mod makes the game NOT Morrowind, new players will not understand why the game is so easy or why leveling doesn't work with this mod. This Mod breaks a lot of the systems that new players should learn as it is the foundation of the game, Like learning to aim in a FPS or combos in a fighting games.
@@eiant8515 you're gatekeeping, chief. you're telling people what is and isn't morrowind based solely on your personal preference, and how they should play and enjoy the game. you're a purist, and a bit of a snob if I'm being honest, and you're going to object to anything that drastically changes the game, when mods like that are what has helped elder scrolls games endure the years.. as I said, continue playing the game with its systems unmodified. nobody's stopping you, and I don't see how people not learning the game on your terms affects you in any way.
If you want the Morrowind expirience dont install this mod
This mod is a cheat
In my opinion this mod ruins the flow of game where the Early game is supposed to be to make you feel weak with this mod I feel you don't really earn your place in the world when using this
Okay masochist.
@@KnoxCarbon ok baby
Ok but spam attacking a rat and not hitting is annoying....
@@tannercurry8079 just get good
I made my character with 85 agility so I was hitting everything as it was lol