2012 Mathews HeliM vs Hoyt Carbon Element vs Hoyt Vector 32
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2011
- A head to head chronograph comparison of the 2012 Hoyt Vector 32 RKT, the 2012 Hoyt Carbon Element RKT, and the Mathews 2012 HeliM.
IBO for the Hoyt bows is 330. IBO for the Mathews is "up to 332". Draw weight is 70 lbs on all bows, and draw length is 29.25 on all bows. Arrow weight is 396.
If you've played around with many bows, you'll now that they rarely come in at exactly 70 lbs. Most the time they are more, and occasionally less. These bows both drew at 73-74 lbs maxed out. We let them both down to exactly 70 lbs so we were playing on an even field.
Ive been shooting Mathews for a dealer now for 14 years and today I shot the New Hoyt from another archery shop and Wow! What a great bow as is the new Mathews. It cost about 800 + tax for the Mathews and 1200+ tax for the Hoyt. Good luck to which ever u choose, both are great bows.
@theAzbowhunter
There used to be a HUGE difference between what mathews advertised theor bows weight and what they actually weighed. Apparently, they have recently "remedied" that and now advertise the actual weight of their bows.
@Lynviking That has been the case in the past, but we weighted this one and it came in at 3.55 lbs.
@n17alf All three bows were set to 70 lbs exactly.
All these bows are exellent bows. I would be happy with either of them. I just ordered a Hoyt Vector turbo after shooting many bows........for myself this felt best. Hoyt and Mathews were the nicest of all bows I tried.
whats the diffrence between cams that are round and cams that are egg shaped is there a special diffrence?
great video, vector is faster than carbon element, because difference in materials, vector is stiffer, is it as forgiving as the carbon element?
I've watched a bunch of other reviews on you tube with a 68 lb 29 inch draw helim with a 415 grain arrow and they got 296 fps..why is your heli-m test slower with more draw weight???
i couldnt agree more. i have a Heli-M i shot it through a chrono at 28' 67lb with a 28' axis st similar to the one they are shooting and i got 308-310
is it just me or does the v32 look longer than the CE............alot longer ATA?
the "advertised speed" is ibo, meaning 30" draw and 70lbs draw weight, with a 350 grain arrow
not 29" draw with a 400 grain arrow give or take
How much is the helium.
Hey hows does the"slowtech" insanity stack up against these three?
I agree that the limbs didn't look bottomed out, however, the bow may still have been set at 70 lbs...cranking it all the way down may have upped the draw weight several pounds over the advertised 70.
Well, about time...lol My buddy had a Z7. I weighed it and it was 8.5 ounces heavier than they quoted. I had a DXT and replaced it 2 months ago with a carbon Element.
@Lynviking how do they lie?yeah there light until you put sights,quiver,stabilizer,arrows, and a rest on them.the helim is a light bow the z7 is a heavy bow but is awesome!i shoot the switchback which is pretty light.
@Andrew0099 Almost all bows max out 2-5 pounds over their true draw weight when limbs are maxed out....
@thebrockton. i would keep the z7 xtreme its a super nice bow.
Ps did you guys notice that the string stop is upside down on the heli in this vid?
Can you PM me where I can find these superflights? never heard of them and they are not on the easton site, can't find them. The ruckus is rated at 281fps(ata) not sure how they work that out as the bow can't go to 30inch draw or 70lbs drawweight? I have been tuning bows for people a long time. The chrono your shooting through at the shop is wrong.............it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE that the ruckus can shoot that fast........its a fact....unless satan forged that bow in the fires of hell.
whats better the heliM or the vector
@Andrew0099 Yes, they are backed out. The bow drew well over 70 lbs with the limbs maxed. We measured on the same accurate scale the shop has been using for years. It's legit. We had to turn it down to get it to 70. Matter of fact, the same goes for the hoyt bows. One maxed at about 75.
I shot the RKT Element along side the HeliM the other day. The RKT was originally my first choice and the reason I went there in the first place. I thought the bow was well built, smooth and fast. But, I after shooting the Mathews and feeling the differences, seeing the quality up close, and thinking about that extra $400 dollars, I left with the HeliM. The Element's design is very cool, and it's a great bow, but not worth $400 more to me.
@caibarien71 The advertised speeds are at 30", 70lbs and 350gr arrow with NOTHING on the string.....
Brace height on the hoyts is shorter..basically equaling more speed. They are all sweet and very close in speed considering even small brace height difference.
I have a mission Eliminator 2 and it shoots just as well. maybe not as fast, but hell it gets the job done.
Yes.
Yep some people just don't know. I remember the first Bowtechs.....they were all about speed......not quality.....not reliability......not accuracy. Bowtechs have gotten alot better since their first. I do like the twin yoke they have though. My list of good bows would be: Hoyt,Mathews, Elite, strothers, obsession, martin. What do you think?
The Heli~m is rate at 332fps the only flaw I see is at 4:01 in the Video the Heli~m is shown not to be let all the way out, there's a gap between the limbs and riser.
Correction 0:43
the carbon element is around $400 more then the other two.
Am i the only one that noticed the whisker biscuit on the element? That can account for the slower speeds. They create drag unlike a drop away. I know this vid is old, but....
Brian Stice. I don't see a whisker on the element drop away bro lol
@frantic29 Best post Ive seen. I agree 100% Its a Ford, Chevy, Dodge thing, and it has a lot to do with where you live. I run a small archery shop, and you cant give away Hoyts here, and Mathews you can't keep on the rack. Hoyt is a great bow, all the flavor you want.
@johngauchat The HeliM is actually exactly at 70 lbs, just like the other bows. Helim may actually have been closer to 71. Tested on a professional shop draw weight scale.
If the Helim has 70lbs limbs it still not let out all the way note 0:43
I still say the Heli~m is not at it's full potential it"s scaled back note the gap between the riser and limbs @ 0:43 I have full blown Heli~m and it shoots every bit of 330fps.
Most of the speed test video's I've seen on it are 315 - 350
I have a RKT Element that chrono'd 330 3 times 70# 28.5"draw with a 358 grain arrow,but with my hunting set up it averages 324 fps
Id say the vector, ive always loved hoyt. Dont get me wrong, Mathews has some great bows but its the name that sales most of the mathews bows
My dads is shooting 412.6..I win?
@tignorjt no, but i guess you took it a lil too serious. i believe the hoyt shot a little faster in the video. mathews and bowtech build on speed, hoyts are super quiet and match speed, or exceed according to this video.
@frantic29 I dont know, Mathes has always over inflated their IBO ratings. Hoyt has usually been spot on with their claims, and I have a Katera XT that will shoot 336, that is 6 fps OVER IBO. Bowtech, PSE, Bear, and a few other companies are close but Mathews always seemed to be off. I have a friend with a Heli-M, his grained out (347 grain arrow at 69 lbs shot 306 after tuning.
@Lynviking k
I love how "fast" how everyone thinks these bows are! Mathews + Hoyt equal =SLOWWWW
By the way, nice job on the vid guys!!
The heli m is my pick
WOW...Mathews advertising speed wrong...wow...shocker!
The HeliM is not even close to the 70 lb max. Judging from the gap between the riser and the limbs, there is at least a full turn left. Cloud account for some of the speed difference
I am pretty sure that there were a whole lot more animals to hunt 30 years ago. and i think they were less aware of people and not as smart.
@XEffectOutfitters almost as hidious as you right?
my dad can chuck spears at 512fps and doesn't need a bow.
Mathews lies about the weight of their bows. That bow is likely over 4 lbs.
Maybe he should shoot at 50 or 60 pound bow and not damage his shoulder
Look mate, this will be my last post about this. You have a good bow, it shoots plenty fast for your draw weight. Don't get too caught up in the 'faster is better' bullshit. There was a time when the first compounds that were made shot slower than your ruckus at more poundage. They were only slighly faster than recurves. We all shot big heavy alloy arrows and carbons did not exist.......how did we kill game?..............easily! best of luck and practice heaps bro.
matthews is 3.55 which is extremely light . But still just as noisy. HOYT HOYT HOYT!
the mathews wasnt 70 pounds!
@cmack003 So 10fps makes you SERIOUS?!?! In that case why not get even more serious and get a PSE or Bowtech?...... Se my point ;)
There's no way that's 70 pounds. The guy shooting is too small
i hate the brand myopia associated with archery, if you can shoot it good, that's all that should matter. at three FITA indoor competitions i'v been to recently, people have laughed in my face when i said that i shoot an APA bow. i'm 16 and still manage to shoot mid 290's (outer ten) most of the time.
ya well for the price of them all im gonna carve my own bow that shoots 2400fps anyone know why it shoots 2400? because i named it chuck norris
@cmack003 Since when has mathews billed their bows on speed? They are always claiming to be smooth and efficient. The Monsters are the speed bows of the Mathews lines, and they smack hoyt and Bowtech with them. I don't even shoot a Mathews, but at least compare apples to apples....
yea i have mine cranked down and its only 69.7 lbs and shoots at 311 fps with just about 400 grains as well
cool an old internet fight sweet
Get serious get Hoyt!
Helim limbs turned out 2lbs. I call BS
i love the heli m shoot one before, smooth, light, fast, and quiet probably the best bow i ever shot in my in my opinon
Bowtech insanity beats em all
I don't like how the mathew bow looks
These bows cant even match bowtech but still great bows
All good yes. But Not all great. If someone wants to buy the best bow they need to know the facts. Hoyt is the closest company out there to telling the truth and Hoyt builds the best bow is almost every category in my opinion.
PSE Xforce Omen Pro Shoots 366 FPS, For all of you speed chasers who care.
I shoot an element ,awesome bow !!
Hoyt = Best bows in the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It doesn't matter how big you are, the muscles used when drawing a bow are in your back. Ive seen guys who can bench 300 pounds but cant draw 70lbs. At the same time guys who are tiny can draw that weight cuz of practice and lots of shooting time. It took me a few months of practicing almost every day to go from 55lbs to being able to draw 70lbs. Plus the chrono doesn't lie you tool.
Seems legit..............
Hoyt, Mathews, Bow tech, Ford, Chevy, Dodge..........Who gives a shit!!!!!! They are all good in there own ways. If u r happy with it ....Great! Thats what matters with any product. Thumbs up if u r all sick n tired of people bashing good products of any sort because they are 1 sided and simple minded. Jeesh!!!!
I clearly stated "312". You apparently have dyslexia. You should talk to someone about that...
Hoyt rules
I own a heli its my 4th mathews I've owned, its honestly an amazing weapon, however I still beleive my switchback xt is the most accurate, forgiving bow I've ever shot, and honestly I've shot them all, love my heli, miss my switchback xt, :-(
i dont understand why there is such an arguement over mathews and hoyt. If you are bow hunting and are worried about a 10 feet per second difference when there shooting 300 fps. Then maybe you should stick to a rifle.
point shoot explode! lol
thats bs the helim is way faster this is not a good comparison
I dont see what the hype is all about, Mathews made a bow that is .1 lbs lighter than the carbon element, but its 10x uglier. They claim this bow is SO LIGHT!!! what about the element? Bare they are literally .1 lbs different in weight, and the element actually shoots 330's. just a bunch of Mathews PR hype. people need to look at what they are buying instead of buying it "cause its a Mathews"
MAtthews slowcam, I mean solocam, haha jk, nice video
This argument is getting old...............i will agree to disagree..........a hoyt ruckus at 45lb and 27.7 inch draw shooting a 500grain arrow with hit 280fps.........ok........I believe you. Enjoy your bow, practice lots and stay in school.
Bah! My '09 $300 Martin Cheetah shoots a 400gr at 312fps. Silly ass elitists. Sure, they're all nice bows, but at this point the only thing that makes a bow sell for $900 is the name.
mathew helim is the best bow out their. heavy loud and spongy doesn't sound like you even shot a helim. do you even know what your talking about.
look up 'backcountry archery calculator' Then you will see what it takes for a bow to hit nearly 300fps with a 500grain arrow.............a ruckus can't do it..........period.
The Vector is stiffer. Not rocket science.
pse is number one and alot faster just face it
No.
Matthews will bitchslap any hoyt!!!
your shooter needs a lot of work in his posture fix it then someone will take you guys seriously
lol, your a comedian.
haha 4 fps 7 fps blah blah.. you know you can spit about 20 fps right ??
lol hows hoyt ugly look at mathews it looks like scrap metal
funny they advertise speeds over 320-330 ,,, in real life you get barely 300 fps... maybe they shoot ultralight arrows when testing.
Can you PM me where I can find these superflights? never heard of them and they are not on the easton site, can't find them. The ruckus is rated at 281fps(ata) not sure how they work that out as the bow can't go to 30inch draw or 70lbs drawweight? I have been tuning bows for people a long time. The chrono your shooting through at the shop is wrong.............it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE that the ruckus can shoot that fast........its a fact....unless satan forged that bow in the fires of hell.
cool an old internet fight sweet
point shoot explode! lol