Finally a video that shows me what to do with this thing that came attached to my bow!! I like how you show with your camera looking through it as you would when you use it, explain how to do something and why. I am subbed liked, alarmed and commented as you can see. LOL I have only shot once and I hit the target board, (side of a barn sized thing) but could not find the place where I was supposed to be hitting. Now I know why I don't feel so bad and am ready to have at it again with more confidence. Thank you.
Your videos and explanations are the best I have seen on UA-cam. I picked up some good points in this video. I would like to see you do a video on properly setting up a 3 pin and 5 pin sight. Keep up the good work.
@@BowOnlyOutdoors I like to see properly setting up out of the box setting up a 3 pin sight. I have seen different videos where one person said that you set up the first pin by moving the sight box and then you set the middle pin by moving the pin. Someone else said that you move the sight box for the top and middle pin. Also before you set up your sights, should make sure that your rest is setup properly? Thanks for asking me. I believe you can easily clarify these questions through a video.
Do you first focus on the pin just to make sure it’s on the bull then shift focus to the target without moving? I’m brand new to this so I know the bow itself is better than me because they all hit within 6” at 30yards haha it’s hard to miss a 6” circle w a compound bow but I’d rather get 1” groups thanks
I see the pin enough that I don’t have to focus on it to see it cover the object I want to hit. As humans, we naturally center things so it’s easy for our subconscious to superimpose our pin on what we are aiming at without intentionally focusing on it. With that said, I fully understand the desire to continually improve. If you want to shoot 1” groups at 30 yards and do it consistently as I new shooter, I highly recommend learning how to shoot with surprise release execution. Follow the walk back steps in the video “the process- how to learn how to shoot with backtension” video and you will be off to a great start!
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
Josh, I've been shooting/hunting with a bow since 1963, before the compound was invented. Done it all and I wish every archer in the world could see your learning videos BECAUSE you and your techniques are 100% the best. 👍👍🔥
I guess rifle shooting and bow shooting are different because in the marines I was instructed to focus always on the sight to make sure proper sight alignment was achieved.
@@traningday For rifles and handguns you generally want to focus on the front sight because you need to align the front and rear sights correctly. This reduces aiming precision because the target is no longer clearly visible, but this is usually compensated for with aiming techniques like the pumpkin on a post sight picture. You can't accurately aim a black sight post into the middle of a fuzzy black dot, but you can easily put your sight post at the very bottom edge of that fuzzy black dot. For bows and shotguns the rear sight is your eyeball. The sights are aligned so long as your gun mount or anchor points are correct. This means you can focus on the target for better precision, and aim directly where you want the shot to go. You don't need tricks like the 6 o'clock hold to increase precision when the target is blurry.
After 20 years of shooting pistol and rifle, this video just changed the game for me as a new bow shooter. The best example I can give is that at 70 yards, trying to focus on the front sight I only hit the target 2/6 times. Following this instruction, I was 6/6 with three in the kill zone. Fantastic instruction.
When shooting pistols and rifles, you're supposed to focus on the target and let the front sight blur out. Thats why you started shooting better. You finally, after 20 years, learned how to aim your gun.
@@sjeverett75 according to every military and law enforcement firearms instructor (of which I am one) in the USA, you focus on your front sight. That’s why we teach “front sight, front sight, slack, pause, squeeze” to new recruits. I don’t know where you learned to shoot, but you have a lot to learn.
Chad, I was thinking the same thing. This is just the opposite of how i was trained in pistol shooting. Why is archery opposite for handgun? Which one is right? Do I need to change my pistol focus or my archery focus? Well, time to go to the ranges and experiment.
Just did my first shoot today and found I was doing better when I focused on the target instead of the pin. Very happy to hear that experienced archers use this method as well. Great video!
@@Aryan-py8lk wondering if they focus on the pin first just to make sure it is on the bullseye, then don’t move at all and focus on the target?? I’m new to this but it’s awesome never needing to chase arrows because they always hit within 6” and I can’t even be “good” after only like 50 shots so far
I’ve been shooting for a year now only focusing on the pin. After watching this video I went to the range and focused only on the target. Amazing difference! Thank you!
I always found this interesting. For pistols I've become accustomed to focusing on the front sight and letting the target blur so I've shot bows this way also...I'll give focusing on the target a try.
I was just thinking about the same thing. I've grown accustomed to being constantly told to "focus on the front sight" that it never occurred to me that there would ever be a different way of shooting.
That’s because, with a pistol, you are controlling the angle of the barrel apart from your line of sight. With a bow, your anchor point(face/corner of mouth/tip of nose) IS the “back sight”.
Really just practice enough like this that your brain just aims for you because when you don’t think about it muscle memory takes over and does it for you
I had my first archery lesson as an adult (and my first time firing my bow in about 15 years) last week. I went from not even hitting the paper at all to getting into the intermediate rings. My aim only started noticeably improving when I started basically ignoring my sight pins and looking around / past them.
This works for me as well. I thought that it was just because I grew up shooting instinctively. I never told anyone about it, because I thought I would be ridiculed. I assumed most compound shooter aimed just line they do with a rifle.
Dude! You literally changed my life today. Yesterday I was just spraying the bag. This morning I went out immediately after watching your video, changed my point of focus and started stacking arrows in one on top of the other! Thank you so much for posting this!!!
I’ve been tryna stop them little pin shakes for so long lol thinking it was a strength issue and now I find out even pros will have little bits of movement 🤣😂
focusing on the target is called instinctive shooting we do that all the time with trad bows i use my pin on my compound and the movement is more caused by arm strain holding back the bow and holding the extra weight of the compound bow that we dont have on trad bows.. you have good idea here but it makes no sense i used my pins ion my compound and i hit what iam aiming at on my tad i look at the target as it has no sites on trad .. explain this
I release as soon as I get a good sight picture. Hunting for the "perfect" shot just leaves to pin travel. He's correct, nobody can hold anything completely still. Slow controlled breathing and release on exhale. Inhale before the aim, exhale, first good placement and release.
ever shoot with 2 eyes open? what do you think of it? i've got a red dot on my handgun so i am comfortable with target focus, 2 eyes open, but i've had to consciously teach myself to close 1 eye for archery and it feels weird.
You dont need a 800 to 1000 dollar bow to shoot tight groups my 350 dollar bow tech bow i cluster arrows at 50 yrds and still ruin flecthings at that distance..019 fiber optic pins are just deadly at long range.Aim small miss small.I started shooting bows at 12yrs old im 63 now and dont practice much at all.Muscle memory and perfect practice makes you a great archer.One tip is dont pull the trigger on your release make believe there is an egg between your shoulder blades and use back tension to set off the release and you will be surprized how much your groups shrink.
Focusing on the target. Aiming elevation from the hip. And consistent firm anchor has helped me the most. I ain't a dead eye but 99% of the time at 20 to 40 I can hit that 6" circle
Coming from a recurve I was wondering what I was looking for while shooting my compound. I will give this a try! Will see how this works for me tomorrow!
I'm trying to incorporate that lesson into my shooting but I cannot seem to focus on the target with my dominant eye (non dominant closed). Don't have problems focusing with my dominant eye outside of archery. Any tips?
If you can keep both eyes open and see the target clearly, I would encourage you to do that. If it doesn’t seem to help, a peep with a clarifier will help bring the target in focus. It may take some trial and error to determine which clarifier you may need. Also, if your current peep sight is too big, and even if it is to small, it can make it harder to focus on the target. Make sure your peep sight fits flush around the ring on the sight housing. There are some other things to try but let me know if this fixes the issue. - Josh
@@BowOnlyOutdoors tried keeping both eyes open and it works! Was hard to start off so I kinda closed my non-dominant eye just enough to see through the peep and get used to this new aiming methode. Now with my second eye fully opened it really helps me focusing on target. Thanks!
This is solid advice and something I’ve said in the past. But you said it best. Your eye battles for focus between the pin and your target. GIVE THE WIN OF THAT BATTLE TO THE TARGET AND LET YOUR PIN HOVER/cover slowly squeeze. Great stuff brother keep up the great tips!!
I think I do this already intuitively.. definately with an animal in front of me, I'm fixated on that sweet spot. Will analyse my shooting on the bag tomrrow. Gratitude. Happy hunting ❤
Same thing with practical pistol shooting . Especially with slide mounted optics you can occlude the dot to help. I wonder about sticking black tape I. Front of your pine would do the same
I teach people this all the time. I tell people it's like learning to drive a car. You want to look up the street not down your hood. Same thing with sights and targets. Makes it super easy with both eyes open to. Though it is weird at first.
This is exactly right this is the best way for archers to understand and it Works 100%. The first shot or two provided your bow is setup properly, and with good form, release, n follow through your arrow will find the bullseye!!! I taught my Nephew this 15 yrs. Ago and he was stunned at how much easier n consistent it was to shoot n hit the center of the bullseye.👍🏹🏹
@@keithdodson7536 hell yeah brother. I'm glad the young man was able to learn from someone with knowledge. So great to hear about kids out shooting bows instead of score streaks in COD. Good job being an amazing uncle :)
This is the only video that actually got me hitting 1-2 inch groups with my bow I used to hit ALL over the target I watched this video and then I went out the next morning and was hitting dimes now I consistently hit dimes thank you man
I shoot with both eyes open (no matter they're firearms, compound or recurve). I don't know how my eyes work together, but seems that the picture in my brain has the pin and the target both somehow focused (not perfect though) I cannot achieve this with one eye open. Shooting with both eyes open do take some practice
I just got a bow tune from my shop and I asked him to take a quick look at me shot process. He was cool enough to help and saw one thing that I needed to know badly. So the only thing he said was just hold my shot position until the arrow hits the target. That tightened my groups and increased my dot accuracy. So simple
Bro this is by far the most important part of shooting a bow. Am a Expert shooter. This info just stepped up my game for any hunting situation in the woods.
Thank you bro I just started three days ago and I was like what are these pins for and I focused on them and my target got super blurry then I focused on the target 100% and it worked started nailing them
Less movement aiming with a rifle, the movement while shooting a bow can cause anticipation in the shot which can lead to much bigger problems in the long run.
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Are you supposed to keep the pin or the sight centered in the peep? Just started, my focus is this and also the bubble and centering the pin in the peep
I agree with him a hundred percent up until the target is at a 100 yards. Than those pins come into action. For some it could even range closer than that.
I think its verry interesting what opinions all the different shooters have. On a pistol you focus on the sights on a rifle you should focus on the target on a bow with some sort of aiming device most poeple say you should focus on the pin. Now you say focus on the target witch i have to do anyways because i shoot classic intuitive. My rule of thumb is the one that hits the target is right. So if you dont hit it you just havent found your style. I noticed to if i shoot rifle im much more calm maybe its because i dont see the movement of the rifle that much.
Absolutely. It’s your perception of the sight and the target and what you’re comfortable with. Most archers find it most comfortable with this method because of the extra movement, but not everyone is the same.
Same concept as hovering a helicopter. When first learning, it’s natural to stare 10 feet in front of the aircraft and it’s virtually impossible to control and over correcting will happen. Starting at the horizon calms and allows sub conscious to make much more precise and calm inputs.
Hey Josh, do you have any tips for applying this for pin gap shooting? Let's say my 1st pin is 20 yards and 2nd pin is 30 yards. The target is at 28 yards. So I'll be using my 2nd pin but still focusing at the target.
Hey there! Try picking a spot low on the target of where you want to hit for your 30 yard pin to focus on. So on a 3D target for example I would put my 30 yard pin somewhere in the bottom of the 10 ring beneath the center x ring. For something closer to 25 yards between my 20 and 30 yard pin, I’m splitting the pins evenly and looking through the gap down the middle. Hope this helps!
So let me ask this……if I’m farsighted (my pins are fuzzy even if I try to focus on them 😂) don’t use a verifier? And only focus on the target? I ask this because I’m really struggling as my eyes have lost the ability to see clearly up close and using a verifier isn’t helping, Because unfortunately it gives me double vision and the results are as expected some hit left some hit right. I feel like my issues with a verifier validate what you are saying as I can see pins clearly but the end result is poor shot execution.
You want to be able to see the target clearly no matter what. It’s ok if your pins are blurry, but if you can’t see them at all, a verifier may be needed. I can’t speak to seeing double while using a verifier as I haven’t experienced it myself while using one.
So, just for clarification. You are saying that when you are looking through the peep, don't look at the pins, just look at the spot on the target? How can you hit the target without using the pins? I'm confused.
You’re looking through your pins at the clear target that’s in focus. You still see your pins, they just aren’t as clear as the target you’re focusing on.
Question, please anyone feel free to answer.. if your shooting at a target 50yards away do you put your 50yard pin on the target and draw back then move your head to the string or get in your form, draw back to your anchor point and move your body to the target? Because if I get in my stance, point at the target with the right pin and draw back at 50yards my peep and anchor point is off and I have to move my head. The reason I’m asking is because everything I’ve heard says don’t come from the top or bottom to the target with the pin
The pin should be on target once you come into your peep and anchor, but not during your draw cycle. During the draw cycle, it’s best to start with the bow slightly high to set your shoulders.
Actually there your eye focuses on the front sight and goes to the target and focuses. This happens back and forth automatically. The top shooters in the world focus more on the front sight. Instead of “punching” the trigger it should be a slow and steady pull while the pin is gently moving around your intended aiming spot on the target. This is called wobble area. Reducing this wobble area is why a person practices. The best shooters have very small wobble areas, squeeze the trigger while your main focus is the front sight. Trigger squeeze is first and foremost the most important aspect of any great shot. Thanks for your time. Tim
Hello Tim, Thank you for your comment! I agree, release execution is first and foremost the most important aspect of any great shot! I have several videos on learning this process with all types of mechanical release aids in our Learn Archery Series. This aiming technique helps reduce the anxiety felt in the shot, and is very important to coincide with the proper release execution. Everyones eyes are different, and I realize this method doesn't work for everyone, but the majority of archers out there have seen this as a major benefit. Nothing is fool proof, but everything is worth giving a try to be the best you can be! Thanks, Josh
Tim Jackson - you are 100% correct. The fundamentals of marksmanship apply to aiming any device with a front sight pin and rear sight aperture. Having spent 20 years in the Marine Corps, and qualifying as "expert" with both pistol and rifle throughout the entirety of my career, "focus on the clear tip of the front sight post" is one fundamental that is forever cemented in my mind. You are correct- focus goes back and forth when aligning, but then shifts to clear tip of the front sight post/pin when its time to execute. This is the only way to shoot accurately with open sights at distance out to 500 yards. The pin will be off-target with focus of the target and not the pin, and will result in points of impact that "surround" the intended point of aim. Although one may think they are focusing on the target and not the pin, if the eye is aligning the pin over the intended point of impact because the eye has to focus on it. It narrows the margin of error. At 20 yards you can get away with the concept of focusing more on the target. At, 30 and 40, not so much. At 50 and 60, hang it up. This is a proven, well-researched marksmanship principle.
@@In-The-Wild-Outdoors THIS!!! Semper Fi brother! When I picked up my compound, I just assumed I’d use the same fundamentals that I used and taught in the Corps (PMI). I mean it earned me medals in both rifle and pistol eventually going distinguished on rifle (need 3 more points for pistol), so why not? Natural point of aim (keeps you in the wobble area), sight alignment, sight picture, gnats ass on the front sight post, smooth steady pull straight to the rear, I concentrated so intently on my shot process that the shot breaking surprised me a majority of the time. Through practice and this process, shot anxiety disappeared, wobble area got smaller, & my off hand became as good as any other position as well. All that said, you already know I raised an eyebrow when I saw this video, but I’m still going to try it the next time I go to the bow range. (In Japan so can only shoot on ranges). I plan on competing 18m indoor here so at that range this might work? I’ll try anything if it improves me. I currently shoot consistent 3” groups @ 18m. So if this works, I’ll have my AJAF green star badge in no time! (Many ranges here in Japan request at least this to use their facilities). I imagine trying to reverse all those years of muscle memory is gonna be a real ball ache. I’m just relieved that I wasn’t the only one that had my reaction.
Ok I have a question what should I do because I will be aiming my bow like 6 inches below where I want to hit and then instead of moving it up I just flick and shoot how can I fix that if anybody has any tips please tell me
What you are describing is a very common issue among archers. I would encourage you to watch this video in its entirety and follow the process to help train your brain what to do to fix it. ua-cam.com/video/F2Gi00hBSNg/v-deo.html Hope this helps!
I can’t really explain how I look at the target and pins, I look at the target and pin then somehow focus at both. Is this ok? I shoot fine at 20 yards.
It's like driving and why so many cops get hit on traffic stops. People looking at a pulled over driver end up steering to where they're looking instinctually. You movements follows what you're focusing on and targets don't move, but pins do. Thanks for the tip. I'll try it on my next practice.
You are focusing 100% on the camera😅
I just want to make sure you are paying attention! haha
@@BowOnlyOutdoors 😂
@@BowOnlyOutdoors it works
Iv won multiple tournaments..what he's saying is correct
😂😂😂
Finally a video that shows me what to do with this thing that came attached to my bow!! I like how you show with your camera looking through it as you would when you use it, explain how to do something and why. I am subbed liked, alarmed and commented as you can see. LOL I have only shot once and I hit the target board, (side of a barn sized thing) but could not find the place where I was supposed to be hitting. Now I know why I don't feel so bad and am ready to have at it again with more confidence. Thank you.
You’re welcome!
Yip... Hitting barrels are a lot easier (LOL)
@@dantevanniekerk I'm so new at this, I'd need a barn door! LOL
Your videos and explanations are the best I have seen on UA-cam. I picked up some good points in this video. I would like to see you do a video on properly setting up a 3 pin and 5 pin sight. Keep up the good work.
Thank you James! More specifically, what do you all want to see on setting up a 3 or 5 pin sight?
- Josh
@@BowOnlyOutdoors I like to see properly setting up out of the box setting up a 3 pin sight. I have seen different videos where one person said that you set up the first pin by moving the sight box and then you set the middle pin by moving the pin. Someone else said that you move the sight box for the top and middle pin. Also before you set up your sights, should make sure that your rest is setup properly? Thanks for asking me. I believe you can easily clarify these questions through a video.
@@jehanlon1 absolutely! I would be happy to make a video over it. I will add it to the list!
- Josh
@@BowOnlyOutdoors You are awesome!!!
I find this true because when I shot before I seen this I was all over the place thank you
Dam. This is 🔥 advice
I focus my target n my leveler
This is true
Do you first focus on the pin just to make sure it’s on the bull then shift focus to the target without moving? I’m brand new to this so I know the bow itself is better than me because they all hit within 6” at 30yards haha it’s hard to miss a 6” circle w a compound bow but I’d rather get 1” groups thanks
I see the pin enough that I don’t have to focus on it to see it cover the object I want to hit. As humans, we naturally center things so it’s easy for our subconscious to superimpose our pin on what we are aiming at without intentionally focusing on it.
With that said, I fully understand the desire to continually improve. If you want to shoot 1” groups at 30 yards and do it consistently as I new shooter, I highly recommend learning how to shoot with surprise release execution. Follow the walk back steps in the video “the process- how to learn how to shoot with backtension” video and you will be off to a great start!
Bow only outdoors indoors
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
Josh, I've been shooting/hunting with a bow since 1963, before the compound was invented. Done it all and I wish every archer in the world could see your learning videos BECAUSE you and your techniques are 100% the best. 👍👍🔥
Thank you so much Tim! I’m happy to help and share what I’ve been fortunate to learn with others.
I’m gonna try this in the morning stay tuned!
You mean Call of Duty and Battlefield has been misleading me the whole time?!
I guess rifle shooting and bow shooting are different because in the marines I was instructed to focus always on the sight to make sure proper sight alignment was achieved.
@@traningday For rifles and handguns you generally want to focus on the front sight because you need to align the front and rear sights correctly. This reduces aiming precision because the target is no longer clearly visible, but this is usually compensated for with aiming techniques like the pumpkin on a post sight picture. You can't accurately aim a black sight post into the middle of a fuzzy black dot, but you can easily put your sight post at the very bottom edge of that fuzzy black dot.
For bows and shotguns the rear sight is your eyeball. The sights are aligned so long as your gun mount or anchor points are correct. This means you can focus on the target for better precision, and aim directly where you want the shot to go. You don't need tricks like the 6 o'clock hold to increase precision when the target is blurry.
This is the comment of the year
After 20 years of shooting pistol and rifle, this video just changed the game for me as a new bow shooter. The best example I can give is that at 70 yards, trying to focus on the front sight I only hit the target 2/6 times. Following this instruction, I was 6/6 with three in the kill zone. Fantastic instruction.
When shooting pistols and rifles, you're supposed to focus on the target and let the front sight blur out. Thats why you started shooting better. You finally, after 20 years, learned how to aim your gun.
@@sjeverett75 according to every military and law enforcement firearms instructor (of which I am one) in the USA, you focus on your front sight. That’s why we teach “front sight, front sight, slack, pause, squeeze” to new recruits. I don’t know where you learned to shoot, but you have a lot to learn.
@@sjeverett75 Hahaha!
@@sjeverett75 you couldn’t be more wrong. 18B, US Army
Chad, I was thinking the same thing. This is just the opposite of how i was trained in pistol shooting. Why is archery opposite for handgun? Which one is right? Do I need to change my pistol focus or my archery focus? Well, time to go to the ranges and experiment.
1000% correct.
I was taught this many many years ago by a Hoyt team member.
Changed my Hunting Career forever
Just did my first shoot today and found I was doing better when I focused on the target instead of the pin. Very happy to hear that experienced archers use this method as well. Great video!
Bro but how will you aim if the pins get blur
@@Aryan-py8lk wondering if they focus on the pin first just to make sure it is on the bullseye, then don’t move at all and focus on the target?? I’m new to this but it’s awesome never needing to chase arrows because they always hit within 6” and I can’t even be “good” after only like 50 shots so far
Ur
You do a great job explaining the "why" of aiming this way and then making the "how" make sense after.
He barely blinked lol
Haha i was thinking that. Then i saw ur comment haha
I’ve been shooting for a year now only focusing on the pin. After watching this video I went to the range and focused only on the target. Amazing difference! Thank you!
I always found this interesting. For pistols I've become accustomed to focusing on the front sight and letting the target blur so I've shot bows this way also...I'll give focusing on the target a try.
I was just thinking about the same thing. I've grown accustomed to being constantly told to "focus on the front sight" that it never occurred to me that there would ever be a different way of shooting.
exactly. opposite way of thinkin.
Either of you tried it yet?
REBEL Nope. State is on lockdown. Range closed. (Hawaii)
That’s because, with a pistol, you are controlling the angle of the barrel apart from your line of sight. With a bow, your anchor point(face/corner of mouth/tip of nose) IS the “back sight”.
Really just practice enough like this that your brain just aims for you because when you don’t think about it muscle memory takes over and does it for you
I had my first archery lesson as an adult (and my first time firing my bow in about 15 years) last week. I went from not even hitting the paper at all to getting into the intermediate rings. My aim only started noticeably improving when I started basically ignoring my sight pins and looking around / past them.
This works for me as well. I thought that it was just because I grew up shooting instinctively. I never told anyone about it, because I thought I would be ridiculed. I assumed most compound shooter aimed just line they do with a rifle.
Dude! You literally changed my life today. Yesterday I was just spraying the bag. This morning I went out immediately after watching your video, changed my point of focus and started stacking arrows in one on top of the other! Thank you so much for posting this!!!
I love to hear it! So glad you found it helpful! Happy shooting and Goodluck this season.
Spraying the bag...? To easy 😂❤ happy hunting.
Great video! I recently saw Joel Turner talking about this same thing in his ShotIQ course as well. It’s made a huge difference in my accuracy.
I’ve been tryna stop them little pin shakes for so long lol thinking it was a strength issue and now I find out even pros will have little bits of movement 🤣😂
Anyone ever try opening your other eye once your pin is sighted? Works for me. Makes it appear as if the target you’re focused on has a dot on it.
focusing on the target is called instinctive shooting we do that all the time with trad bows i use my pin on my compound and the movement is more caused by arm strain holding back the bow and holding the extra weight of the compound bow that we dont have on trad bows.. you have good idea here but it makes no sense i used my pins ion my compound and i hit what iam aiming at on my tad i look at the target as it has no sites on trad .. explain this
I release as soon as I get a good sight picture. Hunting for the "perfect" shot just leaves to pin travel. He's correct, nobody can hold anything completely still. Slow controlled breathing and release on exhale. Inhale before the aim, exhale, first good placement and release.
ever shoot with 2 eyes open? what do you think of it? i've got a red dot on my handgun so i am comfortable with target focus, 2 eyes open, but i've had to consciously teach myself to close 1 eye for archery and it feels weird.
Absolutely, this is best done just like shooting a red dot on a pistol with 2 eyes open as it is easier to stay target focused.
You dont need a 800 to 1000 dollar bow to shoot tight groups my 350 dollar bow tech bow i cluster arrows at 50 yrds and still ruin flecthings at that distance..019 fiber optic pins are just deadly at long range.Aim small miss small.I started shooting bows at 12yrs old im 63 now and dont practice much at all.Muscle memory and perfect practice makes you a great archer.One tip is dont pull the trigger on your release make believe there is an egg between your shoulder blades and use back tension to set off the release and you will be surprized how much your groups shrink.
I feel like I learned how to shoot better but I also feel like my soul has been ripped from its foundation by a pair of unblinking eyes.
So kind of like shooting a rifle. Just got a bow and I do focus on the pin a whole lot. Great video, brother.
Aim small, miss small.
I tried this today, it actually does help a lot
Focusing on the target. Aiming elevation from the hip. And consistent firm anchor has helped me the most. I ain't a dead eye but 99% of the time at 20 to 40 I can hit that 6" circle
I can clearly see my pin and target and nothing is blurry.
Same
In shooting a guns you focus on your front sight and you let the target go blurry
Coming from a recurve I was wondering what I was looking for while shooting my compound. I will give this a try! Will see how this works for me tomorrow!
1:39, that’s good to know because I’ve trying to hold the pin dead still unsuccessfully. It usually winds up with my bow biting my forearm.
I went from 6in groups to 1/2in groups just by doing this! Many people wouldn't realize this is there issue
I get it, especially in a hunting context. But why does focusing on the front sight work for firearms?
So I'm going to try this, the only thing is I have one eye, so I wonder are you doing this with two eyes open or one closed.
It’s best with two, but can be done with one.
@@BowOnlyOutdoors Thanks for the reply, I tried it today and it helped !
I tried this yesterday and killed my neighbor Tony! Hope you have a good lawyer!
neat!
i've been reading this comment and so many people are using yards...
cmon america just be normal like the rest of the world
Both eyes open works for me
I'm trying to incorporate that lesson into my shooting but I cannot seem to focus on the target with my dominant eye (non dominant closed). Don't have problems focusing with my dominant eye outside of archery. Any tips?
If you can keep both eyes open and see the target clearly, I would encourage you to do that. If it doesn’t seem to help, a peep with a clarifier will help bring the target in focus. It may take some trial and error to determine which clarifier you may need. Also, if your current peep sight is too big, and even if it is to small, it can make it harder to focus on the target. Make sure your peep sight fits flush around the ring on the sight housing.
There are some other things to try but let me know if this fixes the issue.
- Josh
@@BowOnlyOutdoors tried keeping both eyes open and it works! Was hard to start off so I kinda closed my non-dominant eye just enough to see through the peep and get used to this new aiming methode. Now with my second eye fully opened it really helps me focusing on target. Thanks!
This is solid advice and something I’ve said in the past. But you said it best. Your eye battles for focus between the pin and your target. GIVE THE WIN OF THAT BATTLE TO THE TARGET AND LET YOUR PIN HOVER/cover slowly squeeze. Great stuff brother keep up the great tips!!
Well said! Thank you so much!
I think I do this already intuitively.. definately with an animal in front of me, I'm fixated on that sweet spot. Will analyse my shooting on the bag tomrrow. Gratitude. Happy hunting ❤
That's a really good tip I've been shooting bows for a long time and it does make a world of difference to just focus on your target
Same thing with practical pistol shooting . Especially with slide mounted optics you can occlude the dot to help. I wonder about sticking black tape I. Front of your pine would do the same
Nice tip. New bow shooter, but reminded of target focus pistol and rifle shooting, Duh! Thanks
I teach people this all the time. I tell people it's like learning to drive a car. You want to look up the street not down your hood. Same thing with sights and targets. Makes it super easy with both eyes open to. Though it is weird at first.
This is exactly right this is the best way for archers to understand and it Works 100%. The first shot or two provided your bow is setup properly, and with good form, release, n follow through your arrow will find the bullseye!!! I taught my Nephew this 15 yrs. Ago and he was stunned at how much easier n consistent it was to shoot n hit the center of the bullseye.👍🏹🏹
@@keithdodson7536 hell yeah brother. I'm glad the young man was able to learn from someone with knowledge. So great to hear about kids out shooting bows instead of score streaks in COD. Good job being an amazing uncle :)
Ok from my understanding just go ahead take the pins out there is no need to have them on your bow.
This is the only video that actually got me hitting 1-2 inch groups with my bow I used to hit ALL over the target I watched this video and then I went out the next morning and was hitting dimes now I consistently hit dimes thank you man
Amazing! Great shooting!
I shoot with both eyes open (no matter they're firearms, compound or recurve). I don't know how my eyes work together, but seems that the picture in my brain has the pin and the target both somehow focused (not perfect though) I cannot achieve this with one eye open.
Shooting with both eyes open do take some practice
I just got a bow tune from my shop and I asked him to take a quick look at me shot process. He was cool enough to help and saw one thing that I needed to know badly. So the only thing he said was just hold my shot position until the arrow hits the target. That tightened my groups and increased my dot accuracy. So simple
Bro this is by far the most important part of shooting a bow. Am a Expert shooter. This info just stepped up my game for any hunting situation in the woods.
Insaaaane grouping!! Will definitely have to try this out
It feels funny at first but without a doubt this is the way. Even your bad shots aren’t bad when you get this method down to a habit
Thank you bro I just started three days ago and I was like what are these pins for and I focused on them and my target got super blurry then I focused on the target 100% and it worked started nailing them
Shooting a rifle with irons is the exact opposite lol. But this does make sense.
Less movement aiming with a rifle, the movement while shooting a bow can cause anticipation in the shot which can lead to much bigger problems in the long run.
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Good video. Feel like I shoot better with skinnier pins on the sight probably for this reason
Are you supposed to keep the pin or the sight centered in the peep? Just started, my focus is this and also the bubble and centering the pin in the peep
I realized that you need to aim with both eyes open ?
It helps see the target more clearly, correct!
@@BowOnlyOutdoors
Thanks
What type pf sight do you have?
Black Gold Pure 75 is the model. It’s been replaced by the pro.
What release are you using?
In this video I’m using the original truball HT hinge.
I agree with him a hundred percent up until the target is at a 100 yards. Than those pins come into action. For some it could even range closer than that.
Ugh so opposite from shooting a firearm... so used to seeing clear front sight post and blurry taget. Lol
How many fingers? 4! Four he says! So smart …. Patch Adams
There is only 3 pins on my bow and the arrow is much lower and i dont use the sight because i wont hit a target. Which pin should i use?
Watch camera Hanes 160yd shit he keeps it STEADY
How do you focus on the target!?!?!? My eyes only can focus on the pins.
I think its verry interesting what opinions all the different shooters have. On a pistol you focus on the sights on a rifle you should focus on the target on a bow with some sort of aiming device most poeple say you should focus on the pin. Now you say focus on the target witch i have to do anyways because i shoot classic intuitive. My rule of thumb is the one that hits the target is right. So if you dont hit it you just havent found your style. I noticed to if i shoot rifle im much more calm maybe its because i dont see the movement of the rifle that much.
Absolutely. It’s your perception of the sight and the target and what you’re comfortable with. Most archers find it most comfortable with this method because of the extra movement, but not everyone is the same.
Expert.
100% correct bro , its kindda like instinctive shooting on steroids lol !!!
Just found your channel. Great content! You got yourself a new subscriber!
Thank you!
If I've been focusing on pin since I started shooting, should I switch it up now at the start of deer season or wait until the seasons over to switch?
Try it when you practice and see what works best for you. 👍🏻
Kinda like dirt bikes 😂 look where you want to go, not where you're at.
Same concept as hovering a helicopter. When first learning, it’s natural to stare 10 feet in front of the aircraft and it’s virtually impossible to control and over correcting will happen. Starting at the horizon calms and allows sub conscious to make much more precise and calm inputs.
Military training?
Hey Josh, do you have any tips for applying this for pin gap shooting? Let's say my 1st pin is 20 yards and 2nd pin is 30 yards. The target is at 28 yards. So I'll be using my 2nd pin but still focusing at the target.
Hey there! Try picking a spot low on the target of where you want to hit for your 30 yard pin to focus on. So on a 3D target for example I would put my 30 yard pin somewhere in the bottom of the 10 ring beneath the center x ring. For something closer to 25 yards between my 20 and 30 yard pin, I’m splitting the pins evenly and looking through the gap down the middle. Hope this helps!
So it’s the same with rifle and pistol open sights. Cool beans
Question are you keeping both eyes open when focusing on the target?
So let me ask this……if I’m farsighted (my pins are fuzzy even if I try to focus on them 😂) don’t use a verifier? And only focus on the target? I ask this because I’m really struggling as my eyes have lost the ability to see clearly up close and using a verifier isn’t helping, Because unfortunately it gives me double vision and the results are as expected some hit left some hit right. I feel like my issues with a verifier validate what you are saying as I can see pins clearly but the end result is poor shot execution.
You want to be able to see the target clearly no matter what. It’s ok if your pins are blurry, but if you can’t see them at all, a verifier may be needed. I can’t speak to seeing double while using a verifier as I haven’t experienced it myself while using one.
Mmkay ...imma try this definately ❤❤
That's not true . I use a diopter and it makes both be in focus .
Subscribed. Thanks for the tips.
-Nick 😃👍
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So, just for clarification. You are saying that when you are looking through the peep, don't look at the pins, just look at the spot on the target? How can you hit the target without using the pins? I'm confused.
You’re looking through your pins at the clear target that’s in focus. You still see your pins, they just aren’t as clear as the target you’re focusing on.
Question, please anyone feel free to answer.. if your shooting at a target 50yards away do you put your 50yard pin on the target and draw back then move your head to the string or get in your form, draw back to your anchor point and move your body to the target? Because if I get in my stance, point at the target with the right pin and draw back at 50yards my peep and anchor point is off and I have to move my head. The reason I’m asking is because everything I’ve heard says don’t come from the top or bottom to the target with the pin
The pin should be on target once you come into your peep and anchor, but not during your draw cycle. During the draw cycle, it’s best to start with the bow slightly high to set your shoulders.
Aim small miss small couldn’t agree more
so if you focus on the target....you'll still have to adjust up or down on the pins...otherwise you'd be just hoping and praying on the distance
Correct, you’re looking through the appropriate pin for the distance you are shooting with the target in focus.
What sight is that?
Black gold Pure 75. Their pro model has replaced it now.
Awesome advice! I’m new and have been struggling. One question. One eye, or both eyes open?
Both eyes open as long as your dominant eye matches your bow. (Right eye dominant=right handed bow)
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Great advice
Actually there your eye focuses on the front sight and goes to the target and focuses. This happens back and forth automatically. The top shooters in the world focus more on the front sight. Instead of “punching” the trigger it should be a slow and steady pull while the pin is gently moving around your intended aiming spot on the target. This is called wobble area. Reducing this wobble area is why a person practices. The best shooters have very small wobble areas, squeeze the trigger while your main focus is the front sight. Trigger squeeze is first and foremost the most important aspect of any great shot. Thanks for your time.
Tim
Hello Tim, Thank you for your comment! I agree, release execution is first and foremost the most important aspect of any great shot! I have several videos on learning this process with all types of mechanical release aids in our Learn Archery Series. This aiming technique helps reduce the anxiety felt in the shot, and is very important to coincide with the proper release execution. Everyones eyes are different, and I realize this method doesn't work for everyone, but the majority of archers out there have seen this as a major benefit. Nothing is fool proof, but everything is worth giving a try to be the best you can be! Thanks, Josh
Tim Jackson - you are 100% correct. The fundamentals of marksmanship apply to aiming any device with a front sight pin and rear sight aperture. Having spent 20 years in the Marine Corps, and qualifying as "expert" with both pistol and rifle throughout the entirety of my career, "focus on the clear tip of the front sight post" is one fundamental that is forever cemented in my mind. You are correct- focus goes back and forth when aligning, but then shifts to clear tip of the front sight post/pin when its time to execute. This is the only way to shoot accurately with open sights at distance out to 500 yards. The pin will be off-target with focus of the target and not the pin, and will result in points of impact that "surround" the intended point of aim. Although one may think they are focusing on the target and not the pin, if the eye is aligning the pin over the intended point of impact because the eye has to focus on it. It narrows the margin of error. At 20 yards you can get away with the concept of focusing more on the target. At, 30 and 40, not so much. At 50 and 60, hang it up. This is a proven, well-researched marksmanship principle.
@@In-The-Wild-Outdoors THIS!!! Semper Fi brother! When I picked up my compound, I just assumed I’d use the same fundamentals that I used and taught in the Corps (PMI). I mean it earned me medals in both rifle and pistol eventually going distinguished on rifle (need 3 more points for pistol), so why not? Natural point of aim (keeps you in the wobble area), sight alignment, sight picture, gnats ass on the front sight post, smooth steady pull straight to the rear, I concentrated so intently on my shot process that the shot breaking surprised me a majority of the time. Through practice and this process, shot anxiety disappeared, wobble area got smaller, & my off hand became as good as any other position as well.
All that said, you already know I raised an eyebrow when I saw this video, but I’m still going to try it the next time I go to the bow range. (In Japan so can only shoot on ranges). I plan on competing 18m indoor here so at that range this might work? I’ll try anything if it improves me. I currently shoot consistent 3” groups @ 18m. So if this works, I’ll have my AJAF green star badge in no time! (Many ranges here in Japan request at least this to use their facilities).
I imagine trying to reverse all those years of muscle memory is gonna be a real ball ache.
I’m just relieved that I wasn’t the only one that had my reaction.
Ok I have a question what should I do because I will be aiming my bow like 6 inches below where I want to hit and then instead of moving it up I just flick and shoot how can I fix that if anybody has any tips please tell me
What you are describing is a very common issue among archers. I would encourage you to watch this video in its entirety and follow the process to help train your brain what to do to fix it.
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Hope this helps!
I can’t really explain how I look at the target and pins, I look at the target and pin then somehow focus at both. Is this ok? I shoot fine at 20 yards.
It’s ok if the target AND pin are in visible focus, but for best results, you’re subconscious focus needs to be on what you want to hit.
That was me hitting the bulls eye all those times…. Faker
It's like driving and why so many cops get hit on traffic stops. People looking at a pulled over driver end up steering to where they're looking instinctually.
You movements follows what you're focusing on and targets don't move, but pins do.
Thanks for the tip. I'll try it on my next practice.
Great Tipp! Thanks :)