Awesome tutorial brother. The nose blowing and coughing only proves that those max rounds actual work! I learned a lot. Thanks so much for your time presenting this very informative video!
Keep the first 2 rounds as kinetic and the rest max. If the second round is max/pepper it can get an indention that effects flight path and cause it to curve at longer distances ie 30 ft-ish and miss the target. Plus generally the first 2 kinetic rounds will stop/slow a person advancing causing them to remain in the effect area of the max/pepper even just a tad longer. Plus I like the extra kinetic in case of something like a car jacker coming trough the window or such. Up close and personal isnt the best for pepper because inside a vehicle it will affect you as well. So if in the rush of things you miss or the first shot is deflected then you have another before mutual bombardment. One tip from learned experience is if someone if running at you and you pepper them take a deep breath and hold it in case they stumble to you. you may still get some agitation such as what happened in this video but it wont be as bad as it could be. They will carry some loose particles with them and around them but as long as you hold your breath most should settle enough. Of course it wont be as bad as the target gets it but it still sucks and the less inhaled is always better.
@@garybolenable I don't know if it's ocd or what but I don't like the thought of sandwiching different rounds. Granted I could see the advantages of keeping the last one kinetic. First two to slow target and give them a chance to reconsider, next two to make them really start to regret it, and then that last kinetic you could probably take your second to aim for the groin as a final F*ck you, I'm really gonna make you regret your decision. Cherry on top of the FAFO cake. Might test it and see if I can carry like that but just on thinking it I'm like ehhhhh. Not even sure why.
@@beamonm29 I wouldn't mind seeing somebody make a video testing various ammo combos out for effectiveness, but I don't suppose it would be easy to find somebody willing to take multiple five shot combos. :)~
@@garybolenable I have a buddy who is a sheriff and he says the max is a bit worse then OC spray. He says the spray clings to its target with some vapors and particulates whereas the max just seems to invade every orifice and any movement cause more particulates and just re-applys it. He even took his pants off because they were releasing it as well. He's been oc'd several times and says he rathers that then them damn things. I've been oc'd and yeah it's not fun but I've only gotten secondary from the balls and am in no hurry for a full contact.
30 feet? Who are you defending at 30 feet? Damn sure not a self defense. Sounds like a legal problem to me. Can you say assault? I knew ya could.... If you think you need to shoot someone at 30 feet a pepper gun is not the solution... ua-cam.com/video/8Xjr2hnOHiM/v-deo.html
It's a good idea to top off your mags with one or two kinetic rounds anyway, in case there's a window between you and a threat, your first shot or two will clear path for the pepperballs.
@@SFMPreparedness good to know. I saw a revew that Hard2Hurt did. Didn't look good. But I was wandering if he knew how to properly work it. #quadstatecameras
Turns out it’s not a ball problem, but is a Spring problem. Which may be a hard spring. There is softer springs, I know this cause I made the extended magazine for 11 rounds and also the drum which holds 20-25 rounds. This all comes down to the spring. With a softer spring there’s less pressure on the balls and they won’t crack then.
I live in Canada the weather gets hot and cold. I just ordered one of them. I know it doesn’t get as hot as Texas. Safe to say, is it safe to leave it in your car -30 or 25 to 32° Good video, thank you
Any one who says pepper rounds are not effective for self defense has never been hit with one. Had my wife...who I bought a Byrna for...hit me in the abdomen. Shit Dude...the rounds impact was bad enough, but the resulting pepper pain is nothing I want to experience again. Took a good two days to get the smell out of my nose. Great, Great, Great, self defense option for areas and countries where actual firearms are restricted. Any viewers don't believe me? Try it for yourself. Don't have a Byrna? O.K. Take five jalapeno peppers...boil them in a cup of water...cool to room temperature and then throw them in your own face. Get the picture? No...you won't...you won't be able to see the picture or anything else for about an hour and a half. Great video.
@@lawrenceallenkirschjr4167 They don't- the problem is that the Byrna rounds are low quality material in the external shells. The Pepperball TCP / Pepperball HD / Live-X rounds are compatable with the Byrna but are made much tougher. The downside is when a pepperball round "cracks" it sends the powder flying for sure- you don't get "residue" with them.
I think the Umarex revolver would be a better option to avoid ammo cracking, and you can get pepper sabot rounds that won't work in a Byrna, but are more accurate. However, I also wonder about the powder caking over time and making the rounds way less effective. Keeping the bulk of your powder ammo stored vacuum sealed with desiccant is probably a good idea. Also, a way to store the whole launcher in a vacuum chamber would be useful. There are kitchen vacuum containers that would work fine for this. Umarex also has a stubby shotgun style launcher with double this muzzle energy, and the Umarex use the 12g C02.
If you have fresh CO2 in and you go through one magazine and then you take out the CO2 and it’s under pressure is that bad for the seals the gun in general
Great video, I am really thinking on getting one. I’m glad I made it to the end of the video because I noticed your water bottle, I’m 17 seasons Fuelie with 21 years on Ice, mainly MCM.
The Byrna HD heavily robs from the design of the Raysun 92. If you look at the design, the trigger sticking issue is generally related not to the trigger itself but the moving barrel. Shoot some silicon lube along the outside of your barrel and it should resolve the issue. I ve bought-tuned and sold over a dozen Byrnas and any trigger issues were solved this way. FYI out of the box Byrna tunes these to around 250 FPS so you can get several mags out of a single CO2..I tune them to closer to 300 FPS and you still get at least two mags out of a CO2 but the impact is far more dramatic and effective.. and that’s with Grimberg Jul rounds which are more than double the weight of the Byrna balls. Lastly, keep a hardball in the chamber and you shouldn’t have any pepperball breakage issues.
After reviewing your video I checked my Byrna and found I did have a cracked Byrna Max round under the ejector. After recovering from the coughing, sneezing and eye tearing, I replaced the Byrna Max with PepperBall Live X rounds.
Try just storing 3 or 4 rounds chambered so the mag spring isnt always under full tension. In a self defense situation you probably don’t need more than 2 rounds anyway
I want to say I had a solid bal in the breach, and the other 4 rounds byrnamax , the solid round slightly cracked the othe byrnamax round, I have bumped and dropped the loade byrna so it suffered trauma, I wonder if I use a rubber ball in breach then byrnapepperrounds if that would prevent cracking. I now spray my byrna and pepperrounds with a silicone spraycan to keep pepperounds from going brittle and hopefully prevent cracking. By the way I tried a paintball in the byrna...yes the paintball burst inside the gun...do not shoot paintballs they are too weak and exlode inside breach...
It’s easy to do. Byrna s brand of CO2 cylinders comes with one that contains oil. Better yet, just put a drop of SILICONE based oil on the top of your CO2 cartridge before putting into the pistol.
Very informative 👏, thanks much, hope you recovered in the meantime 😁... reading all the comments about breaking max rounds, it's probably best not to load 5+1, put in a kinetic on top and/or just load with 4 and carry a spare magazine to go easy on the spring...I got the carry bag, not too big but big enough to put wallet, keys and some other little stuff besides the launcher, 3 more magazines and 2 spare Co2's...my practice so far was without problems, always got at least 24 shots out of the 8 gram cartridge. Made my spouse, even if she didn't want at first, practicing too...in the end she loved it....the only thing that annoys me is that they never have enough stock on the foldable target 😠...😁 .... using shipping 📦 for now ...just did the CA teargas certification so I finally can buy the max and pepper,too
Just remember that you can't defend yourself using pepper balls inside of 5 feet. You will be peppered too. That is VERY important as most encounters occur within 5 feet of your attacker. So you have a gun looking thing you can't fire if you load pepper balls first. My magnum doesn't effect me no matter how close you are when attacking me. My pepper balls will get both you and me peppered at close range. Then it's who recovers first and gets the launcher that is in control. Huh? Yep... So ALWAYS LOAD SOLID BALLS FIRST TO DRIVE THE ATTACKER BACK!!!! Then if you need to discharge a chemical round you are still in control. Don't let guesses control your loads, anyone got a photo of a deformed pepper ball from loading the thing properly with solid balls first? Yea that's what I thought. Don't forget to replace your chemical rounds after around 5 years and NEVER LEAVE THE GUN IN YOUR CAR AND GO INSIDE SOMEPLACE!!! NOT EVEN FOR A MOMENT!!!!! Heat will cause the pepper ammo to degrade, not only the shell, but the potency too and it's useless if you are not in constant control of it, be it a plastic ball or a cannon ball!!!! Get with the program of knowledge instead of rumor. Load it properly 2 solid then chemical rounds, carry it and watch it at all times and then you will know instead of guessing. Deformed pepperballs? Sounds like a bad episode of southpark.
Yes.....Chamber the kinetic first….. bc it's harder. Then run the pepper or the Max. That’s what I’ve always done. And it works. Trust me…… I learn the hard way
I am still thinking about buying it or not by the way.. but I think they made it fragile because when you fire to thick clothes they still can easy to blast? I saw some videos that shot to some thick clothes they wont blast. And maybe they made it too fragile 🤔
Shouldnt ... Ive kept 45acp mags loaded for years in a forgotten go bag. Those rounds are heavier than the balls, and under higher spring pressure they fired fine and still use them to this day.. you could also rememdy this by buying enough magazines that you have 4 total.. Number them 1-4. Keep 2 loaded and once a week rotate them out... I generally do this with all my mags.. even though in my experience ive never seen anything that makes me feel its neccissary.
the co2 escapes from the cartridge after a couple months. i dont know how im suppose to keep the cartridge fresh and ready for action. imagine telling an intruder to wait, while i load a co2 cartridge
@@globalmessenger7535 the co2 cartridge is punctured when you pull the trigger the first time. Change the co2 cartridge afterwards and it should be good to go for the next time you need it.
The 8gram co2 cartridge you get from them. My local big 5 didn't have 8 gram they carried 12 gram. Currently they have pre orders for the 12 gram adapter kit which I might not buy around $60. I don't plan on shooting than gun often where I won't run out anytime soon.
Thanks, Byrna is actually poorly made, tippmann tpx is well made, and never had a crack on the pepperballs, I use byrna max in my tippmann too. Byrna should upgrade their internals and have a bigger magazine. Thanks for the awesome video and Stay Dangerous!
TipX has issues of its own. But is the best choice overall IF size is not an issue. Have you tried to conceal carry a TipX under a light shirt? Byrna can do it-TipX or FSC not so much.
Sounds like it's not the gun sounds like it's a problem with the pepper ball I use pepper ball pepper balls and I have no problem with them And maybe you should clean an oil at once in a while
I purposely shot a cracked byrna pepperround, it still shoots fine except some powder shoots out the barrel...lol make sure you are not in its wind direction when it happens.
DEFINATALLY want to use a kinetic round in the first position... The clip holds 5 rounds (Byrna SD) so load your clip with all pepper rounds then turn the gun upside down and drop a kinetic ball in the handle and Insert the clip. Now not only do you have 6 shots instead of 5 you will never have the problem of a pepper round breaking. But that's not the only advantage!!! If your attacker is very close to you and you fire a pepper round out of panic both of you will fell the effects. You don't want to be peppered by you own round as you will also be down along side the attacker!!! Then "it's who recovers from the pepper ball first" that can determine the outcome. So the first shot (in a panic fire situation) should be to drive your attacker back. The kinetic round should do that without problems as the attacker won't know if they have been shot with a lethal gun, these things (kinetic balls) pack quite a whollup at close range so the natural reaction will be to back away and look at the spot they were hit to see the damage... This gives you time to separate the distance between you and him (or her to be politically correct). This strategy also gives you more time to compose yourself and decide if any further shots need to be used. If the attacker doesn't run away you can shoot several pepper rounds at a safe distance without succumbing to your own pepper ball powder and call 911. If you both get peppered no one is in charge of that situation. Remember this... Shooting a lethal gun won't effect you no matter how close you are to your attacker, a pepper ball round can put you both on the ground if used too close to the assailant. So always (my opinion only) use a kinetic ball first and then you have 5 pepper ball rounds if you need them. Solves the broken pepper ball problem for storage and the "oops we both got peppered and are incapacitated on the first shot" problem.
@@musk-eteer9898 Well first I actually shoot mine quite a bit and second I NEVER leave my gun in a hot car or under my pillow or in a nightstand at home while I'm somewhere else. That being said I have a clip that's loaded with solid and pepper rounds that have been in that clip for months hidden at home that shows NO, let's say that again, NO deformation what so ever. 5 rounds in the spare clip and one in the chamber for home protection. So 2 clips, one for carry and practice, one at home that is clipped up when I'm there sleeping. Funny thing when you actually change clips for different purposes (one for carry and one for home) ya tend to look at the projectiles often. When you buy a gun (ANY gun) and put it somewhere and never interact with it, it creates more questions and problems than it would ever be worth as protection. This seems to be the problem with all the shootings going on now. Bought a gun and then put it in the night stand or under your pillow and forgot about it? And then something happens and you are either no where near the gun or it get's stolen while you are someplace else and used in a crime. Bottom line? No problems loading solid and pepper rounds in a mixed fashion. I recommend 2 solid rounds to drive the attacker back so you don't pepper yourself firing it and then 4 rounds of pepper. Just looked at my home clip as I wrote this, has been hidden for 6 months, no deformation at all, no problems at all with it and remember this is my spare clip, the carry clip is also in perfect working order and has never been a problem. So actually look and see for yourself to find the truth about this problem and NEVER LEAVE YOUR GUN IN A HOT CAR!!!! Carry the damn thing with you or lock it up at home, inside and in a climate controlled environment. Guessing that these products have a expiration of around 5 years so replace them when they get old. BTW over 450 guns have been stolen from cars already this year in my area alone so use it (as in keep it in your possession not stored somewhere silly) or loose it. If you are paying attention and properly carrying/storing these guns you will know by watching it over time that it's perfectly fine to carry 6 shots of mixed ammo in these pepper guns. You must know instead of guessing.... ...there is only one way to know and a thousand other ways to guess. Know what I'm saying? Will Pepper Balls and Kinetic Projectiles Save Your Life: Testing The byrna HD Launcher: ua-cam.com/video/hfbpnuoEWGg/v-deo.html
Thank you for reviewing. From another video (ua-cam.com/video/HetsFTBhj44/v-deo.html), Byrna jammed several times. Do you notice the same jamming issue?
@@quadstatecameras I can't recommend anything, but I use 3 in 1. It seems to do the best. I am doing a 1 year video after the oil add and kinetic round in the magazine in a few weeks. It will be a good answer if it works.
My byrna max and other pepperball rounds have cracked inside magazine of byrna and tippmann tipx...they get weak over time/age and if you drop, or knock the magazine it causes cracks. My solution is to only use solids in both launchers, and spare mags with pepperballs. I sneezed and coughed when my pepperballs cracked inside laumcherz, powder everywhere...zzz🤪
Here's the thing- the pepperball SD and Live-X rounds both work extremely well with the Byrna. They're also manufactured to a good high quality standard.
@@FueledByRyan0 If and I do me IF it's from the mace ball.. you edit the video after he proved his mace point. He should have stopped or edited the video because most folks don't like listening to some grown man constantly sniffing and blowing his nose. No bid deal.. I terminated my subscription anyway.
yeah. I trust my life to many other items. I did oil the whole thing as someone suggested. It seemed to make a big difference. I am going to leave it for another few months and do a video if there were any differences
Awesome tutorial brother. The nose blowing and coughing only proves that those max rounds actual work! I learned a lot. Thanks so much for your time presenting this very informative video!
Keep the first 2 rounds as kinetic and the rest max. If the second round is max/pepper it can get an indention that effects flight path and cause it to curve at longer distances ie 30 ft-ish and miss the target. Plus generally the first 2 kinetic rounds will stop/slow a person advancing causing them to remain in the effect area of the max/pepper even just a tad longer. Plus I like the extra kinetic in case of something like a car jacker coming trough the window or such. Up close and personal isnt the best for pepper because inside a vehicle it will affect you as well. So if in the rush of things you miss or the first shot is deflected then you have another before mutual bombardment.
One tip from learned experience is if someone if running at you and you pepper them take a deep breath and hold it in case they stumble to you. you may still get some agitation such as what happened in this video but it wont be as bad as it could be. They will carry some loose particles with them and around them but as long as you hold your breath most should settle enough. Of course it wont be as bad as the target gets it but it still sucks and the less inhaled is always better.
I have my first two rounds kinetic, the next two pepper, and the last one kinetic.
@@garybolenable I don't know if it's ocd or what but I don't like the thought of sandwiching different rounds. Granted I could see the advantages of keeping the last one kinetic. First two to slow target and give them a chance to reconsider, next two to make them really start to regret it, and then that last kinetic you could probably take your second to aim for the groin as a final F*ck you, I'm really gonna make you regret your decision. Cherry on top of the FAFO cake. Might test it and see if I can carry like that but just on thinking it I'm like ehhhhh. Not even sure why.
@@beamonm29 I wouldn't mind seeing somebody make a video testing various ammo combos out for effectiveness, but I don't suppose it would be easy to find somebody willing to take multiple five shot combos. :)~
@@garybolenable I have a buddy who is a sheriff and he says the max is a bit worse then OC spray. He says the spray clings to its target with some vapors and particulates whereas the max just seems to invade every orifice and any movement cause more particulates and just re-applys it. He even took his pants off because they were releasing it as well. He's been oc'd several times and says he rathers that then them damn things.
I've been oc'd and yeah it's not fun but I've only gotten secondary from the balls and am in no hurry for a full contact.
30 feet? Who are you defending at 30 feet? Damn sure not a self defense. Sounds like a legal problem to me.
Can you say assault? I knew ya could....
If you think you need to shoot someone at 30 feet a pepper gun is not the solution...
ua-cam.com/video/8Xjr2hnOHiM/v-deo.html
It's a good idea to top off your mags with one or two kinetic rounds anyway, in case there's a window between you and a threat, your first shot or two will clear path for the pepperballs.
This was incredibly helpful. Safety first, know your equipment.
Sounds like the solution would be to keep a kinetic round as the top round and fill the other four with Max/Pepper rounds
Exactly what I did. So far so good.
the kinetic round at the top would also help you set up a pepper round too.
Does this actually work? Like does it stop the pepper balls from being damaged?
@@SFMPreparedness good to know. I saw a revew that Hard2Hurt did. Didn't look good. But I was wandering if he knew how to properly work it. #quadstatecameras
@@iLoveGuild I will look over it and do a video in about 2 weeks for 6 months from this video
It’s been 6 months and noticed no one said “bless you”. So bless you. Lol
God Bless You
Turns out it’s not a ball problem, but is a Spring problem. Which may be a hard spring. There is softer springs, I know this cause I made the extended magazine for 11 rounds and also the drum which holds 20-25 rounds. This all comes down to the spring. With a softer spring there’s less pressure on the balls and they won’t crack then.
I live in Canada the weather gets hot and cold. I just ordered one of them. I know it doesn’t get as hot as Texas.
Safe to say, is it safe to leave it in your car -30 or 25 to 32°
Good video, thank you
Any one who says pepper rounds are not effective for self defense has never been hit with one. Had my wife...who I bought a Byrna for...hit me in the abdomen. Shit Dude...the rounds impact was bad enough, but the resulting pepper pain is nothing I want to experience again. Took a good two days to get the smell out of my nose. Great, Great, Great, self defense option for areas and countries where actual firearms are restricted. Any viewers don't believe me? Try it for yourself. Don't have a Byrna? O.K. Take five jalapeno peppers...boil them in a cup of water...cool to room temperature and then throw them in your own face. Get the picture? No...you won't...you won't be able to see the picture or anything else for about an hour and a half. Great video.
Just store with 1 kinetic chambered, problem solved!
Nope, I tired that next one in line will crack, problem not solved
@@wasfast5409 wouldn't think the spring in the mag would have that much compression.
@@lawrenceallenkirschjr4167 They don't- the problem is that the Byrna rounds are low quality material in the external shells. The Pepperball TCP / Pepperball HD / Live-X rounds are compatable with the Byrna but are made much tougher. The downside is when a pepperball round "cracks" it sends the powder flying for sure- you don't get "residue" with them.
Exactly what I was thinking .
@@wasfast5409 have you tried more than one then the pepper rounds ?
Great review and really helps with making a decision on getting a non-lethal pistol. thanks
I think the Umarex revolver would be a better option to avoid ammo cracking, and you can get pepper sabot rounds that won't work in a Byrna, but are more accurate. However, I also wonder about the powder caking over time and making the rounds way less effective. Keeping the bulk of your powder ammo stored vacuum sealed with desiccant is probably a good idea. Also, a way to store the whole launcher in a vacuum chamber would be useful. There are kitchen vacuum containers that would work fine for this. Umarex also has a stubby shotgun style launcher with double this muzzle energy, and the Umarex use the 12g C02.
If you have fresh CO2 in and you go through one magazine and then you take out the CO2 and it’s under pressure is that bad for the seals the gun in general
Great video, I am really thinking on getting one. I’m glad I made it to the end of the video because I noticed your water bottle, I’m 17 seasons Fuelie with 21 years on Ice, mainly MCM.
Excellent video! 👍
Thank you
Where is the serial number on the byrna SD
The Byrna HD heavily robs from the design of the Raysun 92. If you look at the design, the trigger sticking issue is generally related not to the trigger itself but the moving barrel. Shoot some silicon lube along the outside of your barrel and it should resolve the issue. I ve bought-tuned and sold over a dozen Byrnas and any trigger issues were solved this way. FYI out of the box Byrna tunes these to around 250 FPS so you can get several mags out of a single CO2..I tune them to closer to 300 FPS and you still get at least two mags out of a CO2 but the impact is far more dramatic and effective.. and that’s with Grimberg Jul rounds which are more than double the weight of the Byrna balls. Lastly, keep a hardball in the chamber and you shouldn’t have any pepperball breakage issues.
Thanks for the lube info.
@Elder Wright Look at the back of the “slide”. See the screw??
How much do U spray in the barrel
Hi, how do you tune up the FPS?
How do I get it to you to tune it?
After reviewing your video I checked my Byrna and found I did have a cracked Byrna Max round under the ejector. After recovering from the coughing, sneezing and eye tearing, I replaced the Byrna Max with PepperBall Live X rounds.
Try just storing 3 or 4 rounds chambered so the mag spring isnt always under full tension. In a self defense situation you probably don’t need more than 2 rounds anyway
most cases i knew of there are multiple perps so i need all my rounds and if need to i'll take the spring out stretch and refresh it occasionally
I want to say I had a solid bal in the breach, and the other 4 rounds byrnamax , the solid round slightly cracked the othe byrnamax round, I have bumped and dropped the loade byrna so it suffered trauma, I wonder if I use a rubber ball in breach then byrnapepperrounds if that would prevent cracking. I now spray my byrna and pepperrounds with a silicone spraycan to keep pepperounds from going brittle and hopefully prevent cracking. By the way I tried a paintball in the byrna...yes the paintball burst inside the gun...do not shoot paintballs they are too weak and exlode inside breach...
Dude that was painful watching you suffer...I was like empathy breathing for you....But you stayed with it ...nice!
I had the exact same problem with the Byrna pepper balls.
Have you lubricated your Byrne yet if not maybe do a video on how to do that?
It’s easy to do. Byrna s brand of CO2 cylinders comes with one that contains oil. Better yet, just put a drop of SILICONE based oil on the top of your CO2 cartridge before putting into the pistol.
So you're saying...don't leave rounds in the mags for 6 months at a time? o.O Sounds like solid advice, yup.
No, I think you should always leave it loaded. I am trying to keep it loaded with only max rounds and a single kinetic on top. So far no issues.
You mentioned you bought the orange for carrying around purposes what do you mean some states don’t allow different colors ???🤔🤔🤔🤔
It's orange to indicate non-lethal. That way police and bystanders understand its not a firearm
@@mikedrop4421 ah good point, but im sure a few Karens and Darrens will still squawk about something
He has the sniffles because the pepper balls fractured! Lol. I had some that broke too. Couldn’t stop blowing my snoz for hours!
Very informative 👏, thanks much, hope you recovered in the meantime 😁... reading all the comments about breaking max rounds, it's probably best not to load 5+1, put in a kinetic on top and/or just load with 4 and carry a spare magazine to go easy on the spring...I got the carry bag, not too big but big enough to put wallet, keys and some other little stuff besides the launcher, 3 more magazines and 2 spare Co2's...my practice so far was without problems, always got at least 24 shots out of the 8 gram cartridge. Made my spouse, even if she didn't want at first, practicing too...in the end she loved it....the only thing that annoys me is that they never have enough stock on the foldable target 😠...😁 .... using shipping 📦 for now ...just did the CA teargas certification so I finally can buy the max and pepper,too
Just remember that you can't defend yourself using pepper balls inside of 5 feet. You will be peppered too. That is VERY important as most encounters occur within 5 feet of your attacker.
So you have a gun looking thing you can't fire if you load pepper balls first. My magnum doesn't effect me no matter how close you are when attacking me. My pepper balls will get both you and me peppered at close range. Then it's who recovers first and gets the launcher that is in control. Huh? Yep...
So ALWAYS LOAD SOLID BALLS FIRST TO DRIVE THE ATTACKER BACK!!!!
Then if you need to discharge a chemical round you are still in control.
Don't let guesses control your loads, anyone got a photo of a deformed pepper ball from loading the thing properly with solid balls first?
Yea that's what I thought.
Don't forget to replace your chemical rounds after around 5 years and NEVER LEAVE THE GUN IN YOUR CAR AND GO INSIDE SOMEPLACE!!!
NOT EVEN FOR A MOMENT!!!!!
Heat will cause the pepper ammo to degrade, not only the shell, but the potency too and it's useless if you are not in constant control of it, be it a plastic ball or a cannon ball!!!!
Get with the program of knowledge instead of rumor. Load it properly 2 solid then chemical rounds, carry it and watch it at all times and then you will know instead of guessing.
Deformed pepperballs? Sounds like a bad episode of southpark.
Yes.....Chamber the kinetic first….. bc it's harder. Then run the pepper or the Max. That’s what I’ve always done. And it works. Trust me…… I learn the hard way
Thanks. Good to know.
Throwing the bag around for months may have cracked the pepper ball.🤔
Possible, but if I can not be rough with something I am going to have for self defense it is not a good self defense item.
@@SFMPreparedness Nope, mine did this just sitting in the glove box
I think also leaving the byrna in a car on a hot day must aggravate it too.
U acting come on now this is like a real gun u have to take care of it don't let it grow dust and codwebs
I am still thinking about buying it or not by the way.. but I think they made it fragile because when you fire to thick clothes they still can easy to blast? I saw some videos that shot to some thick clothes they wont blast. And maybe they made it too fragile 🤔
What video? link pls
is the pepper ball getting damaged because people are putting the magazine in to rough or is it because the indicator just damaged it
I think the indicator
Wow. That cracked round sure ruined your morning.
Yeah I was raining snot all day.
Thanks for the info on cracking and trigger sticking. Does anybody know if there is a soft ball that can be placed on top in order to avoid cracking?
I know you couldnt help it lol... But this was the most nerve racking video ive ever watched with all the sniffing and snorting... Dang..
Where did u order the holster from?
On Byrna's website.
I bet it would fine if you loaded 4 pepper balls and then a kinetic round. That way a kinetic is in the chamber.
Yeah, that is what I ended up doing. No issues yet. I am letting it sit for another few months to try
@@SFMPreparedness You have any update regarding this? How does that work?
@@JohnSnow-gd9dj I did a 1 year later video a few months ago. The solid kinetic round seems to have solved the max round cracking issue.
i use this as backup in case my flame thrower fails
Does the spring in the mag degrade overtime by having the magazine loaded for long periods of time without use.
I have not had any issues yet. I will try again in 6 months.
Shouldnt ... Ive kept 45acp mags loaded for years in a forgotten go bag. Those rounds are heavier than the balls, and under higher spring pressure they fired fine and still use them to this day.. you could also rememdy this by buying enough magazines that you have 4 total.. Number them 1-4. Keep 2 loaded and once a week rotate them out... I generally do this with all my mags.. even though in my experience ive never seen anything that makes me feel its neccissary.
the co2 escapes from the cartridge after a couple months. i dont know how im suppose to keep the cartridge fresh and ready for action. imagine telling an intruder to wait, while i load a co2 cartridge
@@globalmessenger7535 the co2 cartridge is punctured when you pull the trigger the first time. Change the co2 cartridge afterwards and it should be good to go for the next time you need it.
@@kellydavis4330 yes that did the trick. i thought screwing in the co2 cap causes the puncture. thanks
What about the trigger not fully resetting? Would you still recommend the Byrna? Thanks for the video.
I recommend it for a step in threat interaction, but I will only trust a life and death situation to my glock.
Can this use any CO2 cartridge or do you have to buy them from Byrna?
The 8gram co2 cartridge you get from them. My local big 5 didn't have 8 gram they carried 12 gram. Currently they have pre orders for the 12 gram adapter kit which I might not buy around $60. I don't plan on shooting than gun often where I won't run out anytime soon.
The pepper ball TCP 8g refill kit works well with this.
the 12g is universal, and the 8g you can get it cheaper on amazon, the one that fit the soft drink maker
First round should be kinetic followed by 2 pepper and end with 2 more kinetic
Good lesson.
Definitely a great idea to wear a mask before handling this weapon lol
@RCHobbyGuy92 ya your definitely right lol. The pepper rounds are quite expensive
Yep, that happened to me too. Pissed me off.
Who needs a Byrna
Just sneeze at the bad guy 😆
haha
This is a good video
Thanks, Byrna is actually poorly made, tippmann tpx is well made, and never had a crack on the pepperballs, I use byrna max in my tippmann too. Byrna should upgrade their internals and have a bigger magazine. Thanks for the awesome video and Stay Dangerous!
TipX has issues of its own. But is the best choice overall IF size is not an issue. Have you tried to conceal carry a TipX under a light shirt? Byrna can do it-TipX or FSC not so much.
Just put less ammo in the clip if it takes 5 shots put three in then they shouldn’t crack when the spring is compressed all the way they crack 🤷🏻♂️
Load the first round with kinetic then go pepper
They sell oil kit for this gun on there website
Lmao at your sniffles
Sounds like it's not the gun sounds like it's a problem with the pepper ball I use pepper ball pepper balls and I have no problem with them And maybe you should clean an oil at once in a while
Good vid. I wonder if cracked pepperball in the chamber would have exploded in the gun if you pulled trigger! Not good.
I purposely shot a cracked byrna pepperround, it still shoots fine except some powder shoots out the barrel...lol make sure you are not in its wind direction when it happens.
Find the edit button on the video, please
He got the Eco variant
DEFINATALLY want to use a kinetic round in the first position... The clip holds 5 rounds (Byrna SD) so load your clip with all pepper rounds then turn the gun upside down and drop a kinetic ball in the handle and Insert the clip.
Now not only do you have 6 shots instead of 5 you will never have the problem of a pepper round breaking. But that's not the only advantage!!!
If your attacker is very close to you and you fire a pepper round out of panic both of you will fell the effects. You don't want to be peppered by you own round as you will also be down along side the attacker!!! Then "it's who recovers from the pepper ball first" that can determine the outcome.
So the first shot (in a panic fire situation) should be to drive your attacker back. The kinetic round should do that without problems as the attacker won't know if they have been shot with a lethal gun, these things (kinetic balls) pack quite a whollup at close range so the natural reaction will be to back away and look at the spot they were hit to see the damage...
This gives you time to separate the distance between you and him (or her to be politically correct).
This strategy also gives you more time to compose yourself and decide if any further shots need to be used.
If the attacker doesn't run away you can shoot several pepper rounds at a safe distance without succumbing to your own pepper ball powder and call 911.
If you both get peppered no one is in charge of that situation.
Remember this...
Shooting a lethal gun won't effect you no matter how close you are to your attacker, a pepper ball round can put you both on the ground if used too close to the assailant.
So always (my opinion only) use a kinetic ball first and then you have 5 pepper ball rounds if you need them.
Solves the broken pepper ball problem for storage and the "oops we both got peppered and are incapacitated on the first shot" problem.
that's would exert a lot of spring compression and pressure on the pepper round to burst
@@musk-eteer9898 Well first I actually shoot mine quite a bit and second I NEVER leave my gun in a hot car or under my pillow or in a nightstand at home while I'm somewhere else. That being said I have a clip that's loaded with solid and pepper rounds that have been in that clip for months hidden at home that shows NO, let's say that again, NO deformation what so ever. 5 rounds in the spare clip and one in the chamber for home protection. So 2 clips, one for carry and practice, one at home that is clipped up when I'm there sleeping.
Funny thing when you actually change clips for different purposes (one for carry and one for home) ya tend to look at the projectiles often. When you buy a gun (ANY gun) and put it somewhere and never interact with it, it creates more questions and problems than it would ever be worth as protection.
This seems to be the problem with all the shootings going on now. Bought a gun and then put it in the night stand or under your pillow and forgot about it? And then something happens and you are either no where near the gun or it get's stolen while you are someplace else and used in a crime.
Bottom line? No problems loading solid and pepper rounds in a mixed fashion.
I recommend 2 solid rounds to drive the attacker back so you don't pepper yourself firing it and then 4 rounds of pepper. Just looked at my home clip as I wrote this, has been hidden for 6 months, no deformation at all, no problems at all with it and remember this is my spare clip, the carry clip is also in perfect working order and has never been a problem.
So actually look and see for yourself to find the truth about this problem and NEVER LEAVE YOUR GUN IN A HOT CAR!!!! Carry the damn thing with you or lock it up at home, inside and in a climate controlled environment.
Guessing that these products have a expiration of around 5 years so replace them when they get old.
BTW over 450 guns have been stolen from cars already this year in my area alone so use it (as in keep it in your possession not stored somewhere silly) or loose it.
If you are paying attention and properly carrying/storing these guns you will know by watching it over time that it's perfectly fine to carry 6 shots of mixed ammo in these pepper guns.
You must know instead of guessing....
...there is only one way to know and a thousand other ways to guess.
Know what I'm saying?
Will Pepper Balls and Kinetic Projectiles Save Your Life: Testing The byrna HD Launcher:
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Thank you for reviewing. From another video (ua-cam.com/video/HetsFTBhj44/v-deo.html), Byrna jammed several times. Do you notice the same jamming issue?
I have only had a few jams. I oiled my Byrna around the trigger and have not had a issue again.
@@SFMPreparedness what kind of oil would you recommend for doing this? #quadstatecameras
@@quadstatecameras I used 3 in 1. I will see how it held up in about 2 more weeks for a 1 year review.
@@quadstatecameras I can't recommend anything, but I use 3 in 1. It seems to do the best. I am doing a 1 year video after the oil add and kinetic round in the magazine in a few weeks. It will be a good answer if it works.
While watching you load, I was saying to you, put some gloves on.
the first round is weaker, less fps, to burst the max/oc round anyway
I thought & did the same thing
Next one in line cracked
good to know. I am keeping it as is for another few months then I will do a video.
DUDE, your sniffling and blowing yer hooter made me ill....had to stop the video. BTW, do you believe in editing?
His pepper spray round cracked that's why he's coughing sneezing and sniffling like that pepper spray is no joke
Pepper ball Live Sd rounds are way better than Bryna Pepper ball rounds. They don’t crack.
Yes they do. I literally just finished cleaning up after my wife left hers loaded for 2 whole days. 😓🤷🏿♂️
@@enigmacat78 That is interesting. They seem better made than Bryna rounds.
@@Ezduztube yeah, I had thought so too. I think the spring pressure is a bit high in the mags 🤔. I was surprised that just the 2 days was all it took.
@@enigmacat78 Yes that is a little weird. Probably the spring pressure.
As soon as you sneezed I reached over and grabbed my mask then realized this was a video.
haha, yeah it makes my eyes and nose run.
@@SFMPreparedness dont let them get too far away
My byrna max and other pepperball rounds have cracked inside magazine of byrna and tippmann tipx...they get weak over time/age and if you drop, or knock the magazine it causes cracks. My solution is to only use solids in both launchers, and spare mags with pepperballs. I sneezed and coughed when my pepperballs cracked inside laumcherz, powder everywhere...zzz🤪
Here's the thing- the pepperball SD and Live-X rounds both work extremely well with the Byrna. They're also manufactured to a good high quality standard.
Hard to focus when you’re blowing your nose every minute but besides that thanks for the review
This was painful to watch. Barney Fife showing how to operate a non lethal firearm. Glad it isn't a real gun......
Dude, you need to get that cold of yours under control. Good bye to this video
If you don't know why he's coughing and sneezing you need to pay attention
@@FueledByRyan0 If and I do me IF it's from the mace ball.. you edit the video after he proved his mace point. He should have stopped or edited the video because most folks don't like listening to some grown man constantly sniffing and blowing his nose. No bid deal.. I terminated my subscription anyway.
@@GoByYourself yeah fair point, not the best content on this channel.
You only have one pair of eyes not two😮
Maybe I just stay with police mace
Another solid option. I like the Byrna has more distance and no spray back at distance.
It'd be pretty nasty to take some of those paintballing huh? 🤣
I HAVE TWO PAIRS OF EYES? WHY DIDN'T ANYONE SAY ANYTHING?!?
Blow your nose!
I could only watch half of the video because you were so annoying with your sneezing and blowing your nose so much....😢
Painfully slow video - 8 minutes to get to your point.
Wouldn't bet my life on this product. Too many trigger and chambering issues.
yeah. I trust my life to many other items. I did oil the whole thing as someone suggested. It seemed to make a big difference. I am going to leave it for another few months and do a video if there were any differences
Interesting, as I haven't had a problem yet after putting a few hundred rounds through it.
@@essentialchords9664 That is good to hear.
This man is infuriating
Why?
You shouldn't do videos when your congested like that you go lay down or something