I’m a firefighter/Emt. I’ve been on a few shootings. Two of them were self defense shooting’s with a 380, and we flew out 3 attackers to a trauma center. When they got hit with the round from the 380, they went down, and each only was only hit with 1 round. Facts from the street.
Fellow FF/EMT here, I have been on a few shootings as well. I almost knew what handgun caliber was used till later when I read about it in the news or was told by PD or ED staff and never could tell in the back if my rig based in the injury. All handgun rounds looked the same. I will say the one I did know ahead of time was a LEO who took 3 rounds to the vest, they where all from a 380 and man the bruising and broken rib did not make 380 look weak that's for sure.
I do alot of pistol shooting. About 1000 dollars in ammo a month. 380 is no joke. You could tell right off the bat Mike was biased against the 380. I thought it did really well in the test. I would carry it.
I'm fairly certain that when bullets start flying and people start getting air conditioned no one has ever stopped to say "it's only a .380, I'll be fine".
I read an article by a police officer, in one of the large city's, that compiled all the civilian vs. civilian shooting data he could get his hands on and it showed; almost every time after someone was shot one time the fight stopped. It didn't matter if it was .22LR or 44 Mag.
That's not the question though, is it? The question is if a particular caliber can consistently provide involuntary incapacitation through various variables
@@Lordofthepoors there is no consistency in guns and ammo.. a bullet might go through you in straight line or do the looptyloop and come out from the same side it went in.. zero consistency
Most men getting shot at cower and hide. It's natural, it's normal, it's cool. Infact I'd bet most people their natural reaction would be to pull out their lil boy cellphone and start recording.
9mm guys: "there is no such thing as stopping power, all that matters is shot placement, follow-up shot accuracy and capacity." also 9mm guys: ".380 doesn't have enough stopping power"
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I honestly drew the opposite conclusions from the data presented here. .380 got the job done; all of those shots were put-downs, even if they were less spectacular than the obviously more deadly 9mm's results. Shots that don't exit the target aren't going through walls into my kid's room, or into innocent bystanders. Unless you see yourself facing armored opponents, 9mm seems like overkill, based on what I saw here. Different strokes, I guess?
This is a YT channel. They have to produce content. No one cares about the slight difference between 9mm or 380 when you’re being shot in the head. This is dumb and insignificant but they want more views. And yeah I’d agree, I’d want less penetration as I’d be worried where the round would go after it exits. Like I said. Dumb dumb dumb. But it’s content!
Exactly what I was thinking, seems like .380 is better for home defense. Besides, if you only fire one round then you're doing it wrong! That is the biggest and oftentimes fatal mistake people make 💯
Every one of those shots with the .380 was potentially lethal as were the shots with the 9mm. In the end, it comes down to bullet placement, as always.
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The 380 is no slouch. As another respondent mentioned, the visible results are not as spectacular as the 9mm, but the damage is there. Over penetration means that a good bit of the bullet's energy is spent AFTER THE BULLET exits the target. Not so with the 380 for the most part. It stays inside the target where all of the energy is expended. Also, in Europe, the 380 is called a 9mm Short which is exactly what it is. So, let's not sell the 380 short, pun intended. Beyond this, good demo.
@@zanegandini5350 makarov bullet is 9,20 mm , 9x19 and 9x17 bullet is 9,02mm. We typically call 9x19 a 9 milimeter, parabelum or just nine, 9x18 a makarov and 9x17 a 9mm short or kurz.
The .380 meets the first and most important criteria for any participant in a firefight: Have A Gun. It can, properly employed, meet the second most important criteria: Make well placed hits in a vital area. Criteria after those two are interesting, and we spend a whole lot of time discussing them, but after the first two criteria are satisfied, they fade quickly into secondary insignificance.
.380 is the smallest "normal cartridge" that doesn't have some BS like it's rimmed, semi rimmed or rimfire or something. It's rimless, straight walled, it doesn't even have a taper. Beautiful simplicity. Well, the .30sc is narrower but it's as long as 9x19mm, so bigger in that critical dimension.
It's strange how people are so much more worried about a cartridge somehow not doing enough damage than the prospect of them missing entirely from the recoil.
Just goes to show no matter what your carrying, whether be a P320, a 2011, duel wielding Single Action Revolvers (Based), training and getting trigger time is what really matters.
@@WhoIsJohnGaltt “being yourself and not caring what others think of you-to carry yourself with swagger” Like for example, loving 2A and not trusting the government is mega based. Being a gun grabber who thinks the government has their best interest in mind is mega not based. Gigachad if you will.
I remember responding to a call where a fella tried to execute another fella with what I believe was a .380 (details a little hazy now). Executor was on meth and missed fellas head hitting him in the shoulder. I get there almost instantly which is rare in LE. I make contact with the victim and he told me he was shot in the shoulder. I remember being strangely underwhelmed by the Gunshot wound of what the .380 did.
I own several of both, but find myself carrying a .380 far more than the 9MM. My current carry choice is a Ruger LCP Max with a 12 round mag. I like the extra capacity and the slightly longer mag makes it more comfortable in my hand. It's small, very easy to conceal and if pressed into service will do just fine. The key to any weapon is being proficient in its use. Dirtbags normally don't face trained armed resistance. Whether I pull out a .380 or a 9mm I'm in the fight. #hooah #soldierforlife
As a pathologist with forensic training (though I don't practice in that field), I was quite impressed with the .380. Yes, I wasn't standing there, but from what I could observe, there was no instance where the 9mm reached a vital organ that the .380 did not. In addition, the .380 frequently (?always} failed to exit the target dummy, sometimes by the slimmest of margins. You didn't test shooting through cover, so it's definitely possible that the 9mm will out perform the .380 in some of those circumstances, but how often does that really occur in a civilian self defense shooting? However, based upon what I could see in your video, I'm going to say that I believe the .380 is superior to the 9mm in crowded urban environments due to it's virtually equal penetration and repeated demonstration of a lack of overpenetration.
@kizmo2317 I'll make a suggestion, if you're unfamiliar with Paul Harrell check out any of his videos. He's pretty much covered everything on just about any firearm, any ammo caliber, multiple brands, anything any American citizen can lawfully possess, testing on paper targets, chronograph, soda jugs, and meat targets which typically consist of pork ribs front and back, oranges to simulate lung tissue, covered in leather couch for skin, 4 layers of T-shirts front and back and sometimes winter coats with the new and improved high tech bullet fleece stop so he can catch any overpenetrating rounds for examination. I'm not saying Paul Harrell is the best, I'm just saying to take a look at multiple sources with different approaches to ammo and firearm analysis. One eye opener was his Why Hollow Points Don't Expand. Clogging. I never would have considered that. Anyway, just a suggestion. Oh lastly, regardless of the size or power of a bullet, humans getting shot is way different than animals. Humans perceive and react to pain and injuries differently than animals. So my philosophy is just get a gun and ammo that works and that you are comfortable AND proficient carrying and using. That's what counts the most.
I personally wouldnt want to be hit with a 22 LR, much less 380. Also, one thing that people often dont think about calibers that are often considered "underpowered" is that their ordinary factory ammo tends to me subsonic, which is an interesting plus depending on what you wanna do. Also, stopping power is outdated af, what stops a determined attacker is hypovolemic shock or central nervous system shutdown. Unless you're carrying something like a shotgun, shot placement and volume of fire will always be way more important than how large your bullet is.
You're assuming that accuracy won't be a problem. You don't have to be as accurate with better rounds, because they can turn a near miss of a vital area into a hit. .380 also has known over-penetration issues, which creates the possibility of doing everything right, and still killing an innocent bystander. The tests these guys do in this video are from a gun that most people wouldn't use (.380 is more popular for pocket pistols) into targets that are "naked." The tests greatly exaggerate the actual expansion of .380 self-defense rounds, perhaps because they are promoting them.
@@myblacklab7 these guys clearly prefer 9mm over .38, wtf are you talking about? Also, human flesh has MORE resistance against bullets than the ballistic gel, and the clothes would only add to that. It’s over penetration is not “known” because one quick google search said that was a myth lmao.
One thing I noticed, the .380 is less likely to go through the target and hit something behind it. That is a positive thought if you are in tight quarters with potential to hurt those you don't want to. I love my .380. I also love my 9. Just depends on the job at hand.
I completely agree. Penetration is great but you have to worry about who's behind the bad guy/gal. .380 or 9mm is still going to kill or bring a lot of pain. The lower penetration in the .380 I imagine would cause the most pain if not the hollow points fragmented more. End of the situation you'll have an empty mag taking out the threat.
While penetration seems to be the "determining factor", the fact that the 380 basically dumped all of its energy into the target certainly has some merit. Practice the double-tap technique for chest and body shots because a central nervous shot will most likely drop your target anyway.
@@normvw4053Why double tap with a .380, if you can (in certain countries, and US states) a .410/12 gauge pocket shotgun. Single hit, and unless your aim sucks, you have an almost assured takedown
This would make sense if it actually happened enough for it to be a worry. You’re more likely to miss and hit something or someone you don’t want to vs over pen
I've spent the last 40 years in the ER. I've seen literally hundreds of gun shot wounds. And one thing we know is that with modern defensive ammo, the caliber is irrelevant. The actual damage done to the body is the same for .380 or .45 ACP. What ultimately determines the effectiveness of the round is accuracy, not caliber.
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Charlie is the personification of Intrusive Thoughts and I love it. I think .380 might actually be preferred in crowded areas because it's much less likely to overpen. Nothing could be worse than hitting your target and then hitting the old woman behind it. And as noted: it's better than nothing at all, and certainly better than .25 or .32.
@Marcos Volta Crowded areas? Oh you mean like where some of us work and thus have to consider these things especially as some of these places have had shootings in the past. Quit being daft.
@Marcos Volta Yeah, generally speaking you don't want to have anything behind your target, but more often than not, you don't get to control where exactly you are when you have to shoot someone, so calling the bloke childish and stupid for wanting to avoid overpen is a galaxy brain take if ever I've heard one.
A state trooper in my area actually carried a backup to his backup which was ppk in .380 when he was on the force. He had great things to say about it! I enjoy mine but haven’t used it enough to give an opinion beyond that 😁 god bless America and the 2nd amendment!
@@jakejake7162eah my uncle is a retired trooper and for a long time their issued boot guns were . 380 until Glock came out with their subcompact series. I mean heck, it's better beating them with your radio lol
That's true but any gun can be lethal. This was a debunk vid that proved that a 9mm has superior ballistic performance overall. Be that as it may, a .380 is quite effective. From what I viewed within the video, it'll likely stop who you want to stop. There's just less of a mess. I thought they were joking about being unimpressed after gut shots and point-blank headshots. They really love the round penetration but, maybe, self-defenders don't want rounds whizzing through their target into bystanders.
Depends. I have a S&W Bodyguard .380 ACP. I also have an Sig Sauer P365XL. The S&W holds 6 rounds plus one in the chamber. The P365XL holds 12 rounds double stacked. The grip is also longer and more comfortable. Honestly the 9mm is more comfortable to shoot than the .380. The longer grip and barrel length helps. The rounds aren't that different. The P365XL is stilll easily concealable.
@@alfredeneuman6966 Part of the issue is that most .380 guns are just undersized for the caliber. A glock 19 sized pistol that shoots .380 would take full advantage of the lighter recoil to put rounds on target accurately.
I decided to get my girlfriend a sub compact .380 carry gun for her bag/hip as she parks in a parking garage late for work. The 9mm was a little too unmanageable for her to get accurate enough hits. Im very happy with my choice as she is a tiny little thing with minimal gun experience. I feel perfectly content with her armed with that caliber to stay safe.
As an ex service person, I carried first a Browning 9mm High Power and a Sig p226 9mm. I used a my browning a couple times in field. Its topping power proven very good. For the past decade, I have lived in Mexico and Married a lovely Mexican women. As we have a very large 650m2 house, it is very visible to the locals...and so we keep a Sig380 as a weapon for our house security. It is the largest caliber legal by law. While I was away one weekend, a group of 4 men broke into the house and had a truck outside to take all the furniture's. We know people who have had this happen and many die. My wife and daughter were home alone, and she confronted them through the lounge room where they were entering through the balcony door. Distance 6 meters On seeing her with a weapon...the first two immediately rushed her with a machete raised high. She place 4 rapid shots to center mass and the first guy, and went down like a poleaxed steer. This was a BIG dude. She got one shot off to the second guy and hit him upper left thigh. He went down. The other two ran. Our internal security video footage caught all this. The police just said " good kill" and left it at that .... even before I arrived home. The moral of the story...even after being a 9mm shooter my entire life...I have the greatest confidence in a woman ability to stop an attacker with a 380. Id she could...I will have no problems. You need to live this live to understand if it is good or not. Running figures and ballistic gel is not a good indicator of what it will do! I recommend sig 365 380. From experience.
@@gerardogarcia4478 Yes, been thinking that way myself after two came across the back fence again just a week ago. Our dogs cornered them around 2am ..and they got off one shot at the dogs but missed in the black.... i sent two shots down into the fence and they were gone. Police had actually been patrolling at that time in our street and were knocking before we even rang them. 4 heavy armed cops 2 am in the morning all through the house to make sure and into the vacant block next door. All motion sensors along the dark areas now so I have something live to shoot at next time lol. Saludos...stay safe!!!
On the subject of that last part, it has been said many times before, the weaker gun you actually carry is more useful than the more powerful one you leave at home.
@@talthan yes... I should have got the 2.0. the trigger is better. The og has a 9 lb pull which is a lot. Also it carries a 12 magazine, whereas mine is 2 6's.
I actually find it very good that .380 doesn’t go all the way through. If you happen to be in a populated area and want to reduce collateral casualties I think .380 is great. Getting good ammo like Hornady or Fiocchi hollow points that have been tested by many good UA-camrs would make a difference. I tend to carry one mag with hollow points and one with FMJ.
@@nelsonrodriguez2085 When the shooting starts it is a whole different ballgame. Paper targets with Zombies on then or video games aren't the real thing.
.380's biggest issue is over-penetration due to failure to expand. If we're talking about self-defense rounds, .380 is possibly the worst, most dangerous offender. Check out penetration of .380 FMJ. It penetrates over 20 inches of ballistic gelatin when fired from a tiny gun. You get something like that when a self-defense round fails to expand. This issue is worst in the short-barrelled pocket pistols. A longer barrel may or may not generate enough velocity for expansion, but I would heavily research that before relying on it, and I know for a fact that the .380 pocket pistols have serious failure-to-expand issues.
@@nickhammer6408 I think it's a lot to do with gun snobbery. So count the number of times they implied it's a woman's gun. It can be a very practical round for concealment. A fairer test would be on the control, so firing a 3 or 5 round string or full mag dump and see which is easier to keep on target and make effective hits. If you only have 1 bullet, sure a 9mm is probably more effective, but if you've only got 1 bullet, you're doing (or have done) something wrong. In a real life or death situation, you fire until your target is no longer a threat and most self-defence enagements are at a range of around 5yds. If you can control a 9mm, you'll probably find it easier to get more well-placed shots on a target with a .380
@@brolohalflemming7042 That was a horrible review. Sorry to say but true . 380 is as effective as any similar caliber. FBI ballistics says it achieves adequate penetration. Definitely has sexual issues . 380 women's caliber. I'd like one person who has ever been shot by any caliber say it is a sissy round. That guy is a joke. He lost me when he said he was to good. A legend in his mind.
I work on an ambulance, I carry a S&W bodyguard because of its size. It’s super easy to conceal, and if a patient were to attack I believe it would be effective at that short range. Of course I hope I never have to use it, but you see a lot of crazy stuff in EMS, and you never know.
I would be careful with that from a legal stand point depending on your state. Also remember that the moment you do that, the assumption for all EMT and NRP will be that they are armed.
Does your company/local government allow you to carry this firearm? Seems like a massive liability for them to me. But of course, your own safety trumps their legal liability concerns. Not questioning that.
I know from personal experience in 2015 when I was attacked by 4 men in an attempted robbery. I say attempted because after two shots of 380, nobody wanted to rob me nor fight me for my wallet. At point blank range with someone punching on me and reaching back to punch me again unprovoked and without warning, one shot went in between two front ribs, and through the heart had a small hole going in the heart and a whopper of a hole exiting the heart, hitting a lung as that bullet smacked up against a back rib and did not exit with a Hornadny self defense hollow point round. This shot did NOT knock the guy over but did get his attention enough to want to stop the attack. The other shot hit the base top of his ring finger, deformed a lot as it exited out his palm making a Knarly exit wound and continued to the surface of his chest and did not enter his chest cavity and fell to the ground (the bullet) the attacker was able to take a few steps to which it was reported that he did an unmitigated forward face plant to the pavement. This is consistent with a person losing a heart being nonfunctional has about 10 seconds to decide what to do with the short period of consciousness they have left. Ten seconds I would argue is enough time to punch someone enough times with enough force to kill a person, or draw a gun and shoot you back, or even present a knife and start slashing you until they fall over. A 380 needs a head shot to be instantly disabling. A heart shot will kill someone but will not knock that person over unless they weigh less than 80 pounds (maybe) but once they do go down, they are not getting up. With four attackers I only had 7 rounds lcp ruger to begin with as firing only two shots and not emptying my gun I think every trainer in my life would be proud. I would have done two to the chest and finished with a head shot but I had four attackers of which any one of them could have started in punching me if they did not run away after the first two shots were fired. Once the two shots were fired I looked for the other three to shoot, everybody was gone so I stopped firing, got my glasses back on my face and got out of there before the remaining three could come around and attack me again. Oh and this was at night, in a dark parking lot and severely compromised with the first devastating punch by the first attacker in the fight/robbery. True point…my glasses were knocked off my face making me legally blind and one of the attackers told investigators that he was running up to my drivers door and stopped. The investigator asked why he stopped? The attacker replied, “because there was a gun pointed at him.” He was looking down the barrel of my just fired smoking gun with my finger on the trigger looking for my attackers to shoot them. When i could not see them I stopped firing, just like training dictates. AS I wanted to shoot my remaining attacker(s) I could not see the one running up to me to joinn in the fight I could not see him to shoot him but he could see me with my finger on the trigger and the gun pointed right at him stopping him in his tracks without having to fire another shot. I have since told people that you should never try robbing a complete and total stranger. You should get to know them first and if they are former competitive military shooters, civilian competitive shooters, you might want to buy that guy a beer so that you can live another day. Or just do not rob people.
I carry .380 because I know as a defensive round, it will mortally wound my target with a lower potential of exiting and going beyond. You basically proved that the larger or powerful round it just that larger and more powerful.
I keep saying that over penetrative is no reason not to carry enough gun. We find very few if any cases of a person behind the bad guy being harmed after a bullet has exited the bad guy.
I think the biggest issue is people conflate "kill" with "stop". Even a 9mm in ball form is unlikely to "stop" a threat unless you land a really good shot. In reality in a defensive situation you don't really care if the other guy dies as long as he stops doing whatever he's doing - immediately. It just happens that lungs/spine/heart are the best way to do that and those tend to result in death.
@@ranndomundead9112 Naah, rimfire are less reliable so I think I would take 380 unless its a .22 revolver and I can just keep squeezing the trigger after a dud.
I have 9's and 380's and what I'm always concerned about is over penetration and I feel no one addresses that on UA-cam. A part of me would rather not shoot than find out after the fact I hit someone's kid because the bullet passed through. I would appreciate if you guys did a video or a few videos talking about pass-through or over-penetration.
First let me say I have been a gun nut for more than 50 yr's. And from any research I have done I have not found any record of an innocent bystander being hurt or killed by over penetration in a SD situation. With that being said don't get me wrong guns will over penetrate but unless you are being Mr Hero like the young man at the mall in Indiana. There will most likely be no innocent bystander if you are being attacked and have to defend yourself. So I would say carry what your comfortable with I have everything from .22-.357 and have carried all of them depending on the situation. Any gun will stop someone if you dump enough rounds in them all these gun gurus on UA-cam are all ways talking BS about over pen and showing shooting only one time where does it say your only aloud to shoot an attacker one time. Most of them have no real knowledge only what they themselves have learned from UA-cam. Just old man wisdom use it or not and I hope you have a great life and never have to worry about innocent bystanders.
My friends nephew is a HWY patrolman of 5’6” around 175lbs. Small. Dead of night pulls over car and big black gets out. Cause for search, cuff for protection. Cop had one cuff on before he turned and grappled. Wrestling on the side of I85 230am. 310lbs vs 175lbs. Big guy on top now and going for his 9mm. Cop goes for his ankle 380 and plugs him twice in ribs. Dies on top of him. 380 works.
I was shot in the face and shoulder with a .380 point blank on a traffic stop. It sucked, shattered my jaw and blew out 9 teeth. Took 4 years and 9 surgeries to fix everything. It’ll take the wind out of your sails for sure, but with any caliber I think shot placement matters most. Love the channel!!!
got them all. 9s, 45s, etc.. here in AZ a .380 in the pocket or J frame is a lot more concealable 6 months out of the year than alternatives. also, let's be clear about over-penetration.. not a good thing if defending yourself in a crowded situation. you are responsible for that bullet from the time you buy it until it completes it's mission. great video.. glad I ate lunch before seeing it.
I can't see risking losing my life on a possible overpenetration or that there were people hit in the backstop. If my life is at stake I'm going to shoot and if an innocent gets killed so be it. I'd rather face those consequences alive. Our feminized culture of safety neuroticism has made us care too much about backstops. I'm not a cop, I have no obligation but to my own life.
.380 was the load of choice for most police sidearms (and some countries' militaries) through most of the 20th century. Obviously, it'll do the job if you can hit what you shoot at.
You also missed the fact that many police agencies around the globe used .380. I read through a very graffic compilation of shooting victims which had fully detailed reports and pictures put together by an autopsy expert over several years. I saw hundreds of very fatal .380 wounds. I've also seen what a .380 does to a man's shoulder coming from a Ruger LCP, it went straight through
@georgethompson2597 Don't you just love it when people want to talk shit when they don't know what they are talking about? I don't know your age but I think most of them get their gun knowledge from UA-cam. Like you said the .380 has & still is being used by military & police. People in this country think that you must have a hand canon or it just wont do.👍
Carrying .380 has nothing to do with training or inability to control 9mm lol. Some days I carry .40 some days I carry .380, some days I have my semi auto 7 round 12 gauge with a bird’s head grip. In my truck I have an sbr 300 blackout suppressed some days. It honestly comes down to what matches my outfit.
Yes but barriers are still a thing and well 380 doesnt preform well through windshields or even 2x4 where as 9mm will go through them easier and more consistently
Taurus Spectrum, underrated, amazing little tool that is basically invisible in your pocket, with good safety features and easy maintenance. Getting the right ammo also makes a difference.
I typically go .380 during summer since people don’t layer up and 9millie during winter. I believe nobody wants to get shot by neither. Good content! Stay training and aware!
@@hunterbiden7391 because of my body build. I’m 5’7 and 170lbs I print like a mofo! my 9mm carry is the Sig 365 Xmacro and I love carrying it but sometimes I can’t depending on what I wear. My go to .380 is the Ruger LCP Max and I carry that bad boy super easy with any type of clothing. Might not be ideal to some but works for me.
I'm in Florida so I do the same thing. Sig 365 during the winter and sig p238 for the rest of the year. Not a fan of the 365 because the ergonomics are a bit awkward in my hand but am still a decent shot with it but the sig 238 is awesome and is a great range gun too. It's like a mini 1911 chambered in 380 I highly recommend it
@@spacechimp3199 365 and even the xl is a super concealable 9mm. So are the micro 1911s. I don't understand how one of any body stature could not conceal one of those. My 95lb girlfriend does and my 170lb self can as well. Can't even notice. Giving up a lot of power for something that's very very close in dimensions.
If you shoot the 380 better than a 9, then carry it. For winter carry use +P, or a jacketed flat tip bullet for more penetration. The 380 will penetrate the human skull, and does not need to exit for results. Reliability and shot placement is #1 and #2. The type of ammo for the job is very important. That said....The 380 is not 9mm. The 9mm is not the 10mm . And so on. It will still do the job, if you can do your part. "JMHO"
At about 8:50 + , he shoots dummy in chest , says it got the penetration , underwhelming , but a fatal shot . What is "underwhelming" about accomplishing the goal of stopping the threat in one shot ? Do you need to see a big explosion or something ?
The best thing to happen for 380's is that more manufacturers started producing more offerings. This has really helped in the availability of 380 ammo. It took many hours before to ever find ammo for a 380 due to this lack of popularity. So, Thank You.
If we are talking day to day life the 380 did outperform the 9mm maybe not ballistically but it passed, and you are responsible for that bullet even after it leaves the body of the assailant. what you showed is that the 380 will kill who you are shooting at with less chance of killing or injuring other people due to pass through. along with the lighter weight and less recoil it's definitely a great round.
i think over penetration in this fashion is grossly overstated as an issue. ive yet to hear of a situation where the collateral damage caused by a pass through led to a tragic death. sailing through walls is one thing but causing an exit wound is another entirely.
@Kowazuky your are probably right. Consisting that statistically, you will never have to pull your gun in self-defense scenarios anyway, but just because it rarely happens doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered. I carry both, just depending on my situation, but I can say if it were to happen, you would probably really wish you could have done it differently.
I agree, I would not want over penetration especially if you are living in an apartment or you have family members in your house in other rooms and you have to use your fire arm for a self defense situation, 380 get's the job done safely and with better control which equals more shots on target!
Well, you convinced me. The .380 is a good defensive round. This is the kind of commentary you are dealing with when you have Tim the Toolman Taylors trying to convince you that the round is weak. The only thing they said that makes sense. Practice, practice, practice. In a crowded room I think I would rather have the .380 knowing that little Johnny behind the bad guy is not going to be a causality as well.
Yeah. If you can carry a larger gun just as easily then you might as well go 9mm. But for people like me, I have never managed to consistently carry a 9mm, but my LCP Max is much easier to always have. The 380 in my pocket is infinitely more useful than my 9mm in my gun safe.
@@TheDarksideFNothing that is me. I have all sorts of firearms, g19, g43, shield plus.... i always ended up not grabbing one 100% of the time. Maybe was armed half the time. Then I got a LCP Max.... carry 100%, always and dont even think about it. Sits in the same bowl as my keys and wallet.
I never leave the house without my leetle fren, Max, first name ruger. I got an A in statistics so tend to rely on them than some guy who wants to measure his "gun" against yours. First, it is unlikely and a low probability you will ever use your gun in self defense. Second, statistically, if you draw, 98% of attackers flee without you even firing. If you fire and miss even more flee. And if you hit them center mass, and statistically the average shot is 9 feet, kinda hard to miss even under stress, it will stop them one way or another. So all the macho crap is bs. Of course 9 mm has more stopping power. But a 44 has more than a 9 mm. And a 50, hey, there's always that thug on angel dust... that is no longer even around. So statistically, not just ballistically, a 380 is appropriate for the job. My Max is always in my pocket, it's like it isn't even there. My neigbor left his 9mm at home cause just going to the gas station... where 4 "teens" with baseball bats attacked him. I have 3 rounds for each before I do a tactical mag change for 10 more. That would be 5 rounds each. See the youtube home invasion videos? How many does the homeowner fire and the invaders ask, hey, what caliber gun are you using. @@TheDarksideFNothing
@@mrca2004 right. Basically, do I want to be ready for 100% of attackers 60% of the time, or 95% of attackers 95% of the time. That's ultimately what the decision between 9mm and 380 amounts to for me.
I would suggest an elephant gun. Never know when an elephant will attack. Situational awareness and plenty of practice at draw and shot placement will improve you chances way more than a bit more propellant. When you draw or shoot, punks don't ask the caliber of your weapon, they run. Being punks they are cowards.@@TheDarksideFNothing
The .380 in your pocket beats the 1911 you left at home or in your truck. I love my little LCP because it is so easy to stick in an IWB holster or your back pocket. It isn't the only thing I ever carry but, it gets carried more than anything else because it is so easy to conceal.
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From a fellow Charles, I just wanted to say that everyone knows that comic relief is essential to any good show. I laugh out loud every time I watch these vids. You two make a dastardly duo turning solid ballistic gel into a mountain of mess! Please keep up the good work, and stay funny! 🤘🏼
That opening is my new favorite thing. As a Wes Anderson and firearms enjoyer I really appreciate the crossover, those two things unfortunately dont overlap much.
This is the exact reason I carry 380 EVERY day. Goes in my pocket as easily as my big wad of keys that ride in the other pocket and I NEVER leave without it. I carried IWB 9mm for a few years and noticed that a lack of discipline caused me to not always carry it. Know yourself. If you are disciplined enough to fool with carrying a larger firearm EVERY time you leave, then do so. If not, choose something that you will carry EVERY day. Personally, I found that a 5 minute trip to the corner store and things like that were where I was just too lazy to fool with putting on a holster for 9mm. 380 slides into my pocket even to walk to the mailbox. No way I'd do that with a holster and large firearm. Again, just know yourself and act accordingly IMO.
@@storm9872001 also, here in the south it’s just too hot to wear enough clothes in the summer to conceal a bigger pistol. Also, the wild hogs that I’ve dispatched with my .380 all died and they are tougher than any person I’m likely to run in to, so I know I will continue to feel a lot better with a little pistol I’ll actually carry versus the big sexy ones that look good at the range, but never end up on my person when I’m out in the world.
@@ThaWiz11 the smallest 9mm I know of is the sig p938, and its too big for pocket carry. Even the 238 is still chunky. LCP is probably small enough.. though I have an NAA guardian .380, which def is small enough for pocket carry...I carry it's little brother the .32--THAT is def a pocket gun
The resurgence of the .380s popularity has led to the development of some remarkable loads. 40 years ago the .380 was a pretty lousy choice with the available ammo selection, but nowadays it's adequate. Not as good as a 9mm, but functionally worthwhile as a self-defense round and certainly has a place in today's market.
I like it because it’s so easily carried/ easily controlled when shooting. I forget it their. And I have confidence it’ll get me through any conflict, if needed, and I don’t have to worry about uncontrollable recoil in a fearful state of mind.
The 380 in my pocket is infinitely more useful for self defense than the 9mm in my gun safe Glad to see it demonstrated that the caliber is effective. To me it looked like you're still getting most of the damage. I'll take a slight damage reduction to make the gun noticeably more comfortable to carry and shoot (comparing my LCP Max to my PF9) Especially considering how low the odds are that I'll ever have to use it.
Charlie was on fire today. There's no way I could try to drink anything around this guy. Everything that comes out of his mouth is absolutely hilarious 😂
My recommendation is to carry what you are comfortable with, and can shoot well. Any round that makes holes, and causes an attacker to hurt and bleed , is a good defensive round. ( even .22). I like revolvers, and often recommend them to new shooters, and women with smaller wrists. Not everyone can shoot often, or get to the range regularly, not many are trained to clear “ stovepipes” and jams. Revolvers are simple and easy to learn. The purpose of defensive shooting is to make an attacker go away and quit attacking…any gun that does that is good defense.
Mr. Thumb, please make your next ballistics test video about the effectiveness of various short barreled rifles at longer distances on gel torsos. It would be interesting to see how much damage a 10.3-11.5 inch barrel can do at 300+ yards compared to a 14.5-18 inch, also various ammo like mk262 vs m855 etc. Because everyone already knows you can make shots pretty far with intermediate calibers, but there aren't good gel tests. The evidence for or against lethality largely consists of anecdotes from the war on terror.
@@MilesLong762x51 agreed, upvote to summon mike. The world need to know if mk262 can really vibe check someone at 400 yards when coming out of a short barrel. How hard does the mk18 fornicate when compared to the 14.5 inch SR15 at 300 yards? Only one man can help us.
@@mastabugfish it would settle a lot of debates that have implications for real combat (whether it be military, LE, or civilian) and GT is one of the only people who has the resources to do it. I don't think it would be too hard either, and it would get lots of views. Just need ammo and ballistics gel torsos. He already has the guns, land, and cameras.
Way back in the day when I was a young lad I owned a BB gun. I also had just gotten some new boots. I was curious about the durability and protective capacity of my boots, and the potency of my BB gun. I cocked, rested my BB gun on top of my right foot w/ the boot on, and pulled the trigger. The pain that rippled through my foot was excruciating. I wasn't running or even walking after any body. Upon inspection I found the BB embedded in the boot leather. Point? Self-defence is statistically going to be close, and getting out of the situation w/ the least amount of damage is the goal. A big part of that is being the guerrilla fighter. Catch your attacker by surprise. Not letting people know your capability. .380 puts us in a category of handguns that are much smaller. Which means many more undetectable carry options. Also, which is mentioned below, not passing through the body is a good thing. You are responsible for every round you discharge. I'm confident if my BB gun was a .380 handgun the round would have gone through the leather and into my foot. If it got through my foot it might well have imbedded in the sole of my boot. I would have fallen to the ground and been taken to the hospital, and been using crutches for a while.
380 is very adequate in the real world. This is a cool video, but sometimes things can be overanayzed. I dont personally carry one, but 380s should never be underestimated.
Well, if a 380 is used in a place where there are other people, the lack of exiting the target could be a potential benefit. If anything, I would think a lighter grain frangible projectile with a hot loading, would be best on a bad guy not wearing body armor. The idea being, you want to transfer as much energy into the target with minimal over penetration to prevent injuring other bystanders. I think it's fare to say, regardless of caliber, when you start putting holes in someone where they don't belong, they are going to have a very bad day.
I saw a study that examined the effectiveness of different handgun calibers. The study concluded that if your goal is to stop a bad guy from robbing you or beating or shooting you any caliber will stop him once they realize they have been shot. It may not kill them right away but it will convince most bad guys to stop doing what they are doing. Most people have seen videos of bad guys coming in a store to rob it and once the store owner fires a shot most of them scramble out of the store like scared cats even if no one is hit. A .380 may not kill a bad guy as fast but it will stop someone from continuing the attack in many cases. I find it much easier to carry a small pocket size .380 in a front pants pocket than wearing a jacket or big shirt in the summer to hide a full size 9 mm in a holster on my belt. I also live in a rural area where my chances of needing to shoot someone is pretty remote so while it is a compromise choice to carry .380 it makes sense for me.
The appeal to the .380 pistols is the concealability. Most of the year, I carry a 9mm. But, in hotter weather, I carry a .380 because it's lightweight and doesn't print under a t-shirt. Another channel did ballistics testing testing on the different brands of .380 ammo in the smaller, shorter barrel .380 pistols and found that the Speer Gold Dot was the best performing .380 ammo. It's all I carry in my .380 pistols now.
I agree - this was a 'fair' test, but the truth is that probably the majority of our (the viewing audience's) .380's are more like LCP Max barrels instead of longer barrels. Gun channels seem to highlight subcompacts - which are always better for ballistics, but really... how many of us are 'cheating' with .380's for the recoil vs. the size? Summer in a hot climate? LCP Max weather, baby.
2 points to be made here. I personally like the 380 BECAUSE it dumps almost all of its energy and either doesn't leave the intended target or if it does usually cannot cause severe injury to an innocent bystander. Also there is a report online that shows the 380 is the most deadly round in terms of actual shootings. Overpenetration is a real problem. It endangers innocent people but if the bullet were to remain lodged you also have the chance of causing secondary damage due to organs/tissue rubbing up against its sharp edges.
That is crap. The most deadly round? You either made that up or read a bogus report. In fact, a 380 causes the LEAST damage to the people shot. Good grief.
@@michaelgibbs3011they didn’t make that up they just mis worded the report It talks about something (to the same effect of) listing all calibers involved in self defense shootings Then compares how many shots fired .380 had the least shots fired till threat was incapacitated/surrendered I believe the cartridges that were in this test were .380 .38 .357 9mm and 45acp
@@michaelgibbs3011also there’s a lot to ballistic a lot of times a less powerful bullet getting stuck in a target is more devastating than a more powerful bullet zipping through Or a larger caliber bullet going slower delivering less overall energy doing more damage My point is foot pounds delivered is a good reference point but it’s not a accurate measurement of damage 45-70 beats .300 win mag on ballistics gel in terms of damage but the .300 is more powerful than the 45-70
The 380 is extremely comfortable for me to carry and shoot. Over a lot of years, I have carried many different sizes and calibers, and I can tell you the gun that you consistently carry because it's comfortable and capable is better than the 45 you left at home because you where just going to the gas station.
I carry the S&W 380 Body guard without laser. I like it because fully loaded with an extended mag in goes into my pocket without weight or size concerns. Its just easier and because of the size I never leave home without it. Even in Gym Shorts. Tried carrying the 9mm and I was leaving it a home a lot. Never felt right in my pocket and waist carry was uncomfortable. In Florida you dont wear a lot of clothing for concealment. Always in shorts, tshirt and flip flops. If I go into the boat, take road trips or next to my bed I use the 9mm.
With the recent advancements in ammo technology, both the 9mm and the .380 have made significant strides since the early 1980s. The 9x19 will always be a bit ahead of the 9x17. Just as the .357 magnum will always be ahead of the .38 caliber.
I feel it's safe to say from what we have seen here that 380 is fine to carry if the characteristics of the gun meet your needs in a way 9mm models don't. The advantages like reduced recoil or size, etc. If the advantages provided by guns only available in 380 are important to you it's a valid choice.
@@TheDarksideFNothing Less felt recoil can easily mean more shots on target in less time. With nerve damage in both hands, I've tested that on targets with my carry guns.
@@phigdon3 I agree. Training can overcome a lot of recoil control issues for most people without health concerns, but not everyone has the time, money, interest, or wellness to put in enough range time to accomplish that, and I'd argue that the same training would have even better results with the reduced recoil caliber. Unfortunately, the micro 380 form factor being notably smaller than what's possible with micro 9mm negates a lot of the benefits of the reduced total energy of the 380 vs 9mm. The tradeoff being that my LCP Max actually leaves the house in my pocket whereas my PF9 often didn't. But definitely, if you have an identical form factor and your options are 9mm or 380, there can definitely be advantages to going 380. A bullet on target is significantly more useful than a miss, regardless of caliber. I'll take a 380 to the torso of my adversary any day over a 45acp into the wall behind them.
@barrydraper indeed. The important takeaway to me is not that 9mm is more lethal, but that 380 is lethal enough. Of course 9mm is going to do more damage. But if there are key advantages to comfort and concealability offered by a 380 form factor, the fact that it will still be quite highly likely to accomplish the end goal is the important factor.
@barrydraper indeed. The important takeaway to me is not that 9mm is more lethal, but that 380 is lethal enough. Of course 9mm is going to do more damage. But if there are key advantages to comfort and concealability offered by a 380 form factor, the fact that it will still be quite highly likely to accomplish the end goal is the important factor.
I think that cartridge power is a non-issue if you can't hit your target where it counts. A 380 to the head of your target is infinitely better than a 500 magnum through the head of the passerby behind your target.
I dated an ER Nurse for quite sometime and she told me basically everyone hit with standard calibers (9mm, .45, etc) the bullet passed through and in many instances survived. The real troublesome shots were when bullets didn't pass through, bounced around or were in pieces or caused erratic wound tracks, like .22 LR. She saw, more people die from .22 LR wounds after the fact than 9mm wounds.
Yep very true, worked with 2 large hospital systems most deaths related to gun shot wounds where 22lr, dealers and criminals who shoot larger caliber like 9mm or 223, for the most part use fmj, they go straight through, with 22 the bullet shatters goes all over the place, patients usually deal with infection related to lead intoxication (plumbism) and or neurotoxicity post surgery bullet extraction, if they survived that far into it.
I think that a 9mm is much more energetic on impact than a .22 LR tho, right? I live in Germany, we can't carry any guns here, but if we could I think I'd pick the option that puts a threat down as quickly as possible - after all I wouldnt really care if the shots are lethal, and I'd prefer an incapacitated person that later on survives vs a guy that got hit with a .22 LR, but still managed to kill me because he didn't instantly go down, only to then die in a hospital later on. Idk, maybe these thoughts are completely irrational, after all I never shot a gun, but I'd like to pick the safer option.
@@neothespankplank5839 A 9mm is superior to a 22LR, but since the FBI switched from .40 S&W to 9mm they train their agents to double tap the target. Two rounds of 9mm will mess up anyone this side of an angry bear, sasquatch, etc.
@@neothespankplank5839it's about shot placement sure if your a bad shot a 9mm to the arm is gonna cause more blood loss quickly than a .22lr but holes of any size directly through the chest and into or through the lungs and or heart will immediately make anyone very quickly forget what they where doing and start focusing on making their peace with god
Completely agree! I don't want my .380 to over Penetrate; I want the bullet to dump all the energy and expand as much as possible. The .380 is a git off me gun inside 20 yards. All I need it to hit a lung, artery, ect to be effective.
So is the .22 with proper shot placement. With the size of the 9mm you can get these days why not. Only 2 mm of extra casing on the 9mm round over the. 380. They're pretty close. If I lived up north or way south I'd not carry .380 with its low Temps and everyone wearing layers of clothing.
I carry a S&W 380 body guard because it is the perfect self defense weapon. If you really need to pull your weapon in self defense it means the attacker is on top of you. You don't want a long barrel they can grab on to. If it comes to a gunfight the better option is to run away. Most people don't realize you are way more likely to survive gunfire if you are running , then if you are standing there firing back. The 380 BG is a true belly gun. It's an incased revolver so nothing can get hung on anything. You literally put it in their stomach and squeeze away. It's much easier to explain when you're in court. If a court thinks you could have gotten out of the situation but you opened fire at distance you're going to jail. So a belly gun like a 380.Really is the best option for self defense. The weapons build itself keeps you from using it incorrectly, and quite possibly illegally. My opinion anyway.
Love the .380. Wife loves hers too. I have 9mm, and .40 Walther, and Berretta .380. Wife carries .380 or .22 @ home. Any firearm you are comfortable and accurate with is a good choice in time of need. As a veteran, i will say this. Everybody is a bad ass ... until they leak.we train to make em leak alot if it comes to that. Rounds on Target is more important than caliber choice. I have never heard any combatant ask what caliber i shot them with, nor have i ever asked what they prefer.
Yes !!! My Dad was shot by a .380 last week and it killed him. Not instantly . It went through his heart. I believe it was a Hornady Critical Defense round. I won’t go into details. I saw EMS working on him and my life has been turned upside down. I still carry 380 in my CPX-3 SCCY. Potent round no matter what anyone says. RIP Dad. Miss you dearly
Keep in mind that RFK was killed with a 22. Regan was shot (almost killed) and Brady was killed with a 22. A .380 is enough. Is a 9mm or a 45 ACP better? Sure. But, I have never had anyone volunteer to go down range when I had a .380 in my hand. Its not a toy. It can and will kill you. Period.
Over-penetration is something folks ought to consider. IMO .380's the best caliber for micro compact pistol frames. it isn't nearly as snappy and it's much easier to get followup shots.
I'm not at all recoil sensitive but most often I'm carrying my 380 because it is just so easy to carry. It absolutely has it's limits but I would rather have something with me than nothing.
@@ryth-2401 nice side arm! cannot stand the machismo bs like the guy @ beginning said "only women or small Phillipinos carry 380". Good luck reacquiring your shot with your oh so manly hand cannon faster than me with my 380
I’m 6’5 300lbs I pocket carry a 380 bodyguard all day everyday. I work outdoor by myself in the utility field. I love the convenience of a small pocket carry 380.
One important situation in favor of the 9mm over .380 was not presented here. It's pretty telling when shooting gel through heavy cover like a layer or two of denim or leather (most perps aren't naked). The .380 has its power significantly reduced with most HP ammo in that case. The 9mm does as well but it has enough energy remaining to still meet needs. Having said that, I would not hesitate to carry .380 if I was for some reason not able to carry something more potent. It is an effective SD round.
I personally carry 9 but honestly if you live in an area that has lots of people or crowded areas .380 might actually be good since it seems to be less likely to over penetrate. And with it being smaller you'll be able to make easier follow up shots and carry more ammo possibly. I still like 9 but I Definitely don't want to be shot by .380
@@razorb4ck .380 has similar dimensions to the old Italian 9mm Quarto round (which was fired from the Italian Beretta M1934 pistol, back in WW2). Good round, but definitely not great. Still, it's actually quite effective, even with it's reduced stopping power (when compared to other pistol rounds). Honestly, it's a lot better than 8mm Nambu.
I think this comes down to, if you can carry a 9mm vs a .380 ACP, chose the 9. I carry a .380, but that is simply because I carry it as a pocket pistol (Ruger LCP). If I was to change, I would likely switch to some sort of holster around the waist, which defeats my preference to simply having it in my pocket. However, I am fully aware that it has drawbacks, less velocity for the .380, even more so with the short barrel of the LCP, leading to less penetration and less expansion or no expansion. There are only a couple models I can buy here in California anyway, but at this point, my feeling is, if used, it is likely to be within 6 feet, I am not missing at that range and the other person is not going to like it. But I am thinking of an upgrade, not just for the 9, but the added capacity, still limited to 10+1 here in communist California.
Yes it has been known for years that the 380 is perfect for carry. It has the energy and penetration needed. It also penetrates vehicles windshields and still penetrates through those dummies after hitting the windshields.
Remember, any caliber is worthless if you can't anything with it. Also, any gunshot wound will make most sober attackers pause and rethink their recent decisions.
I think the .380 just demonstrated it's lethality. .380 punched through the rib bone, through, the heart and out the back. It entered the front of the skull and bounced around inside, followed by a shot to the side of the skull where fragments exited the opposite side. The gut shot went through the organs and out the back. 9mm had more energy impact but the .380 killed it just the same.
As a limited case point a 380 vs 9mm, a 380 would have enough effect to stop an assailant without fear of over penetration. Thus in a grocery store or public space with potential chaos and innocents, I might feel a little safer knowing I won't through and through a bad guy to hit anyone behind them.
In 35 years, the only exit wounds to center mass from a handgun I have seen were from a 357 Magnum. 380 FMJ will go through a head. Oddly enough, I responded to one 'suicide' (I'm skeptical) in the recent past where the person used a 9mm with a 3 inch barrel. I don't know what type of round was in it (I sure would have liked to check, but the cops already had the gun) It did NOT pass through the head.
I'm of the opinion that shot placement is the biggest factor in stopping a fight. The data I've looked at hasn't showed a significant difference in fight stopping ability between 380, 9mm, 40S&W, or 45, it's all about getting well placed shots. 380 allows me to get shots on target faster and more accurately, so I have no problems picking it over 9mm in small guns like a P365.
Big thanks for the .380 ballistic dummy testing! Quality testing for this caliber is surprisingly scarce on YT. Can we get a 5.7x28 video testing different loads and barrel lengths next please?
@@iDeagles 5.7 gives you more rounds in a more compact magazine, with lower recoil, and better performance out of a shorter barrel. At 8", 5.56 is just unreliable and has terrible ballistics. You'll barely get 2300 ft/s and effective range is only 100 yards. 5.7 can do the same in a 5" barrel, and can do it out to 200 yards, and with less recoil to boot.
I’m a firefighter/Emt.
I’ve been on a few shootings.
Two of them were self defense shooting’s with a 380, and we flew out 3 attackers to a trauma center.
When they got hit with the round from the 380, they went down, and each only was only hit with 1 round.
Facts from the street.
Fellow FF/EMT here, I have been on a few shootings as well. I almost knew what handgun caliber was used till later when I read about it in the news or was told by PD or ED staff and never could tell in the back if my rig based in the injury. All handgun rounds looked the same. I will say the one I did know ahead of time was a LEO who took 3 rounds to the vest, they where all from a 380 and man the bruising and broken rib did not make 380 look weak that's for sure.
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In the end, bullets are still bullets.
I do alot of pistol shooting. About 1000 dollars in ammo a month. 380 is no joke. You could tell right off the bat Mike was biased against the 380. I thought it did really well in the test. I would carry it.
I'm fairly certain that when bullets start flying and people start getting air conditioned no one has ever stopped to say "it's only a .380, I'll be fine".
Hell, if .22 can do it, .380 can easily do it lmao
I read an article by a police officer, in one of the large city's, that compiled all the civilian vs. civilian shooting data he could get his hands on and it showed; almost every time after someone was shot one time the fight stopped. It didn't matter if it was .22LR or 44 Mag.
That's not the question though, is it? The question is if a particular caliber can consistently provide involuntary incapacitation through various variables
@@Lordofthepoors there is no consistency in guns and ammo..
a bullet might go through you in straight line or do the looptyloop and come out from the same side it went in..
zero consistency
Most men getting shot at cower and hide. It's natural, it's normal, it's cool. Infact I'd bet most people their natural reaction would be to pull out their lil boy cellphone and start recording.
For someone restricted to carrying a .380 because of brazilian stupid laws, this video was a blessing. Thank you!
I thought they waived those restrictions a few years back.
To someone restricted to carrying a .380 because Walther doesn't make a PPK in 9mm I also like this video a lot
For someone restricted to carrying a... well nothing. im Canadian damn. hope no one attacks me right ? even if i defend myself i get charged ffs
@@Shadow__133
The government has changed, and restrictions are coming back even harder!
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9mm guys: "there is no such thing as stopping power, all that matters is shot placement, follow-up shot accuracy and capacity."
also 9mm guys: ".380 doesn't have enough stopping power"
On god
Hello, Fraser, co-owner of Defiant Munitions here.
It was great to see Mike and Charlie once again using our ammo!
If the devastation caused by our TCX round isn't enough to stop a bad guy, it seems possible they will be set on fire!
We also have the only .380 expanding ammunition that I am aware of that meets the FBI standard.
Stay defiant!
Sincerely,
Fraser Disney
Co-owner Defiant Munitions
it was incredibly violent and we love it
@@GarandThumb insert “I’m just here for the violence T-shirt”
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The irony of your last name, and the business you own...it's astounding...seriously.
I like ammo
I honestly drew the opposite conclusions from the data presented here. .380 got the job done; all of those shots were put-downs, even if they were less spectacular than the obviously more deadly 9mm's results. Shots that don't exit the target aren't going through walls into my kid's room, or into innocent bystanders. Unless you see yourself facing armored opponents, 9mm seems like overkill, based on what I saw here. Different strokes, I guess?
I have to agree with you.
This is a YT channel. They have to produce content. No one cares about the slight difference between 9mm or 380 when you’re being shot in the head. This is dumb and insignificant but they want more views.
And yeah I’d agree, I’d want less penetration as I’d be worried where the round would go after it exits.
Like I said. Dumb dumb dumb. But it’s content!
Yea video seemed a bit bias
Exactly what I was thinking, seems like .380 is better for home defense. Besides, if you only fire one round then you're doing it wrong! That is the biggest and oftentimes fatal mistake people make 💯
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Every one of those shots with the .380 was potentially lethal as were the shots with the 9mm. In the end, it comes down to bullet placement, as always.
Would like a re-do of this video with standard 9 vs 380+P
yeah, hearts (and other organs) just don't work well with holes of any size in them.
Ah yes...POTENTUALY LETHAL...I see sir you are aware that the intact human brain contains ten to fifteen seconds of oxygen after the arteries are, for whatever reason(s) stopping the supply of oxygen...Plenty of time to kill with whatever weapon made it justifiable use of deadly force... I can remember at least two occasions when I had nobody to interview as both the shooters and an innocent bystander, (walking to church), were Killed, deader than Disco, in an EXCHANGE of gunfire.... Please, take this information and share it among you...
The 380 is no slouch. As another respondent mentioned, the visible results are not as spectacular as the 9mm, but the damage is there. Over penetration means that a good bit of the bullet's energy is spent AFTER THE BULLET exits the target. Not so with the 380 for the most part. It stays inside the target where all of the energy is expended. Also, in Europe, the 380 is called a 9mm Short which is exactly what it is. So, let's not sell the 380 short, pun intended. Beyond this, good demo.
Wouldn't the 9mm short be the 9x18 Makarov? That in itself is basically a heavier .380, but it's not interchangeable.
@@zanegandini5350 .380 is 9X17, and the bullet itself slightly shorter/lighter
@@zanegandini5350 makarov bullet is 9,20 mm , 9x19 and 9x17 bullet is 9,02mm. We typically call 9x19 a 9 milimeter, parabelum or just nine, 9x18 a makarov and 9x17 a 9mm short or kurz.
@@misadis2680greetings from Germany, i can verify what he says is absolutly right. 9x18 is makarov, 9x19 is 9mil and 9x17 is 9mil short.
The .380 meets the first and most important criteria for any participant in a firefight: Have A Gun. It can, properly employed, meet the second most important criteria: Make well placed hits in a vital area. Criteria after those two are interesting, and we spend a whole lot of time discussing them, but after the first two criteria are satisfied, they fade quickly into secondary insignificance.
Right.
- In pistol range -
Do they have armor?
Yes/No?
Y: Aim for the face or carry a snub nose.
• option 1.b:
carry both
N: Enjoy low-recoil.
Best explanation ever
.380 is the smallest "normal cartridge" that doesn't have some BS like it's rimmed, semi rimmed or rimfire or something. It's rimless, straight walled, it doesn't even have a taper. Beautiful simplicity.
Well, the .30sc is narrower but it's as long as 9x19mm, so bigger in that critical dimension.
Well said. You have encapsulated volumes in a few sentences. Very laconic, indeed.
It's strange how people are so much more worried about a cartridge somehow not doing enough damage than the prospect of them missing entirely from the recoil.
Just goes to show no matter what your carrying, whether be a P320, a 2011, duel wielding Single Action Revolvers (Based), training and getting trigger time is what really matters.
What does “based” even mean?
@@WhoIsJohnGaltt based in reality, based on logic, based upon facts, based within the great USA
@@WhoIsJohnGaltt “being yourself and not caring what others think of you-to carry yourself with swagger” Like for example, loving 2A and not trusting the government is mega based. Being a gun grabber who thinks the government has their best interest in mind is mega not based. Gigachad if you will.
@@WhoIsJohnGaltt A controversial opinion or action that you agree with, usually with political intent.
Everybody gangster til the 2011 magazine fails 😔 -a former 2011 fan
I remember responding to a call where a fella tried to execute another fella with what I believe was a .380 (details a little hazy now). Executor was on meth and missed fellas head hitting him in the shoulder. I get there almost instantly which is rare in LE. I make contact with the victim and he told me he was shot in the shoulder. I remember being strangely underwhelmed by the Gunshot wound of what the .380 did.
Well hellooooo gorgeous
It's funny you got seven likes and no comments 😂 I hope you made him feel bad. "Rub some dirt on it pu**y'
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.380acp is what I'd say is the min caliber. For a 2nd gun or CQB, I'd say get either a .38spl +P or .380acp ...
I own several of both, but find myself carrying a .380 far more than the 9MM. My current carry choice is a Ruger LCP Max with a 12 round mag. I like the extra capacity and the slightly longer mag makes it more comfortable in my hand. It's small, very easy to conceal and if pressed into service will do just fine. The key to any weapon is being proficient in its use. Dirtbags normally don't face trained armed resistance. Whether I pull out a .380 or a 9mm I'm in the fight. #hooah #soldierforlife
As a pathologist with forensic training (though I don't practice in that field), I was quite impressed with the .380. Yes, I wasn't standing there, but from what I could observe, there was no instance where the 9mm reached a vital organ that the .380 did not. In addition, the .380 frequently (?always} failed to exit the target dummy, sometimes by the slimmest of margins. You didn't test shooting through cover, so it's definitely possible that the 9mm will out perform the .380 in some of those circumstances, but how often does that really occur in a civilian self defense shooting? However, based upon what I could see in your video, I'm going to say that I believe the .380 is superior to the 9mm in crowded urban environments due to it's virtually equal penetration and repeated demonstration of a lack of overpenetration.
Thank you for commenting. I always carry .380 for practicality.
I saw that too. Was the 9mm more powerful? Yep. Did it do anything that the 380 couldn't? Nope.
@@Cody2nd By definition, that is almost never a civilian self defense situation.
@kizmo2317 I'll make a suggestion, if you're unfamiliar with Paul Harrell check out any of his videos. He's pretty much covered everything on just about any firearm, any ammo caliber, multiple brands, anything any American citizen can lawfully possess, testing on paper targets, chronograph, soda jugs, and meat targets which typically consist of pork ribs front and back, oranges to simulate lung tissue, covered in leather couch for skin, 4 layers of T-shirts front and back and sometimes winter coats with the new and improved high tech bullet fleece stop so he can catch any overpenetrating rounds for examination. I'm not saying Paul Harrell is the best, I'm just saying to take a look at multiple sources with different approaches to ammo and firearm analysis. One eye opener was his Why Hollow Points Don't Expand. Clogging. I never would have considered that. Anyway, just a suggestion. Oh lastly, regardless of the size or power of a bullet, humans getting shot is way different than animals. Humans perceive and react to pain and injuries differently than animals. So my philosophy is just get a gun and ammo that works and that you are comfortable AND proficient carrying and using. That's what counts the most.
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I personally wouldnt want to be hit with a 22 LR, much less 380.
Also, one thing that people often dont think about calibers that are often considered "underpowered" is that their ordinary factory ammo tends to me subsonic, which is an interesting plus depending on what you wanna do.
Also, stopping power is outdated af, what stops a determined attacker is hypovolemic shock or central nervous system shutdown. Unless you're carrying something like a shotgun, shot placement and volume of fire will always be way more important than how large your bullet is.
Yep the 22 was the preferred weapon of choice for the Italian mob and it did the job just fine.
You're assuming that accuracy won't be a problem. You don't have to be as accurate with better rounds, because they can turn a near miss of a vital area into a hit.
.380 also has known over-penetration issues, which creates the possibility of doing everything right, and still killing an innocent bystander. The tests these guys do in this video are from a gun that most people wouldn't use (.380 is more popular for pocket pistols) into targets that are "naked." The tests greatly exaggerate the actual expansion of .380 self-defense rounds, perhaps because they are promoting them.
I recently saw a round comparison and the 22 was slightly more effective than the 380 rounds.
This video pretty much:
Which one kills MORE (as if there are levels of dead). Dead is dead.
@@myblacklab7 these guys clearly prefer 9mm over .38, wtf are you talking about? Also, human flesh has MORE resistance against bullets than the ballistic gel, and the clothes would only add to that. It’s over penetration is not “known” because one quick google search said that was a myth lmao.
One thing I noticed, the .380 is less likely to go through the target and hit something behind it. That is a positive thought if you are in tight quarters with potential to hurt those you don't want to. I love my .380. I also love my 9. Just depends on the job at hand.
I completely agree. Penetration is great but you have to worry about who's behind the bad guy/gal.
.380 or 9mm is still going to kill or bring a lot of pain. The lower penetration in the .380 I imagine would cause the most pain if not the hollow points fragmented more.
End of the situation you'll have an empty mag taking out the threat.
.380 is clearly better someone needs to explain over-penetration to Mike!
While penetration seems to be the "determining factor", the fact that the 380 basically dumped all of its energy into the target certainly has some merit. Practice the double-tap technique for chest and body shots because a central nervous shot will most likely drop your target anyway.
@@normvw4053Why double tap with a .380, if you can (in certain countries, and US states) a
.410/12 gauge pocket shotgun.
Single hit, and unless your aim sucks, you have an almost assured takedown
This would make sense if it actually happened enough for it to be a worry. You’re more likely to miss and hit something or someone you don’t want to vs over pen
I've spent the last 40 years in the ER. I've seen literally hundreds of gun shot wounds. And one thing we know is that with modern defensive ammo, the caliber is irrelevant. The actual damage done to the body is the same for .380 or .45 ACP. What ultimately determines the effectiveness of the round is accuracy, not caliber.
Why have you been in the ER for 40 years? Are you okay?
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@@zelashizzz1278 that’s terrible. Rip.
Charlie is the personification of Intrusive Thoughts and I love it.
I think .380 might actually be preferred in crowded areas because it's much less likely to overpen. Nothing could be worse than hitting your target and then hitting the old woman behind it. And as noted: it's better than nothing at all, and certainly better than .25 or .32.
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@Marcos Volta Crowded areas? Oh you mean like where some of us work and thus have to consider these things especially as some of these places have had shootings in the past. Quit being daft.
@Marcos Volta Yeah, generally speaking you don't want to have anything behind your target, but more often than not, you don't get to control where exactly you are when you have to shoot someone, so calling the bloke childish and stupid for wanting to avoid overpen is a galaxy brain take if ever I've heard one.
I think dude is saying that it might not be a lone attacker. Attacker could have his dumbass buddy or girlfriend behind him.
The fact that it didn't come out of the back of the skull might be a good thing.
As a retired detective, I can tell you that 380 is indeed lethal.
Did you work homicide?
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A state trooper in my area actually carried a backup to his backup which was ppk in .380 when he was on the force. He had great things to say about it! I enjoy mine but haven’t used it enough to give an opinion beyond that 😁 god bless America and the 2nd amendment!
@@jakejake7162eah my uncle is a retired trooper and for a long time their issued boot guns were . 380 until Glock came out with their subcompact series. I mean heck, it's better beating them with your radio lol
That's true but any gun can be lethal. This was a debunk vid that proved that a 9mm has superior ballistic performance overall.
Be that as it may, a .380 is quite effective. From what I viewed within the video, it'll likely stop who you want to stop. There's just less of a mess.
I thought they were joking about being unimpressed after gut shots and point-blank headshots. They really love the round penetration but, maybe, self-defenders don't want rounds whizzing through their target into bystanders.
The 380 was originally a police caliber cartridge.
An advantage of the 380 is that because of the lite recoil, you can put more lead on target
Depends. I have a S&W Bodyguard .380 ACP. I also have an Sig Sauer P365XL. The S&W holds 6 rounds plus one in the chamber. The P365XL holds 12 rounds double stacked. The grip is also longer and more comfortable. Honestly the 9mm is more comfortable to shoot than the .380. The longer grip and barrel length helps. The rounds aren't that different. The P365XL is stilll easily concealable.
@@alfredeneuman6966 oh I agree, that's an excellent all rounder of a pistol
@@alfredeneuman6966 I’ve shot both of those weapons. The problem isn’t the caliber. The bodyguard just kicks like a mf
Also less over penetration so no hitting bystanders
@@alfredeneuman6966 Part of the issue is that most .380 guns are just undersized for the caliber. A glock 19 sized pistol that shoots .380 would take full advantage of the lighter recoil to put rounds on target accurately.
I decided to get my girlfriend a sub compact .380 carry gun for her bag/hip as she parks in a parking garage late for work. The 9mm was a little too unmanageable for her to get accurate enough hits. Im very happy with my choice as she is a tiny little thing with minimal gun experience. I feel perfectly content with her armed with that caliber to stay safe.
I knew 4 inches was a lot. Thanks for reinforcing guys. 👍🏻
That gave me hope. Almost teared up.
Better chances of slipping in through the back door.
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Guns are for sissy's🐔
There’s hope brother
As an ex service person, I carried first a Browning 9mm High Power and a Sig p226 9mm. I used a my browning a couple times in field. Its topping power proven very good. For the past decade, I have lived in Mexico and Married a lovely Mexican women. As we have a very large 650m2 house, it is very visible to the locals...and so we keep a Sig380 as a weapon for our house security. It is the largest caliber legal by law. While I was away one weekend, a group of 4 men broke into the house and had a truck outside to take all the furniture's. We know people who have had this happen and many die. My wife and daughter were home alone, and she confronted them through the lounge room where they were entering through the balcony door. Distance 6 meters On seeing her with a weapon...the first two immediately rushed her with a machete raised high. She place 4 rapid shots to center mass and the first guy, and went down like a poleaxed steer. This was a BIG dude. She got one shot off to the second guy and hit him upper left thigh. He went down. The other two ran. Our internal security video footage caught all this. The police just said " good kill" and left it at that .... even before I arrived home. The moral of the story...even after being a 9mm shooter my entire life...I have the greatest confidence in a woman ability to stop an attacker with a 380. Id she could...I will have no problems. You need to live this live to understand if it is good or not. Running figures and ballistic gel is not a good indicator of what it will do! I recommend sig 365 380. From experience.
Excelente, yo estoy en México, y mi hogar lo cuida una Colt 45 , y un FAL 7.62x51, aunque es ilegal mi familia vale mucho. Saludos
This was very insightful. So happy to hear your family is safe and sound.
My God man what a story.
@@tomparker8932 More than a story...an experience. One we prefer not to live...but its Mexico...it happens around us every day.
@@gerardogarcia4478 Yes, been thinking that way myself after two came across the back fence again just a week ago. Our dogs cornered them around 2am ..and they got off one shot at the dogs but missed in the black.... i sent two shots down into the fence and they were gone. Police had actually been patrolling at that time in our street and were knocking before we even rang them. 4 heavy armed cops 2 am in the morning all through the house to make sure and into the vacant block next door. All motion sensors along the dark areas now so I have something live to shoot at next time lol. Saludos...stay safe!!!
On the subject of that last part, it has been said many times before, the weaker gun you actually carry is more useful than the more powerful one you leave at home.
Yup. Can't carry anything around in a lot of countries, consider yourself fortunate if you can!
@@boingkster indeed
I carry a .40
How true. But I’m a 45 guy
380 =empty clip lol 45acp one and done
I'm a disabled man with a small build ... I carry a S&W 380 bodyguard laser. I love it.
been looking at the BODYGUARD 2.0 as a disabled vet. I understand they made improvements
@@talthan yes... I should have got the 2.0. the trigger is better. The og has a 9 lb pull which is a lot. Also it carries a 12 magazine, whereas mine is 2 6's.
As do I
I actually find it very good that .380 doesn’t go all the way through. If you happen to be in a populated area and want to reduce collateral casualties I think .380 is great. Getting good ammo like Hornady or Fiocchi hollow points that have been tested by many good UA-camrs would make a difference. I tend to carry one mag with hollow points and one with FMJ.
Nah I just want to stop the guy I am shooting, that whole collateral damage is so over rated.
@@vietnamvet4533 idk, if you are defending against a home invader, you dont want to endanger a loved one
@@nelsonrodriguez2085 When the shooting starts it is a whole different ballgame. Paper targets with Zombies on then or video games aren't the real thing.
.380's biggest issue is over-penetration due to failure to expand. If we're talking about self-defense rounds, .380 is possibly the worst, most dangerous offender.
Check out penetration of .380 FMJ. It penetrates over 20 inches of ballistic gelatin when fired from a tiny gun. You get something like that when a self-defense round fails to expand.
This issue is worst in the short-barrelled pocket pistols. A longer barrel may or may not generate enough velocity for expansion, but I would heavily research that before relying on it, and I know for a fact that the .380 pocket pistols have serious failure-to-expand issues.
@@vietnamvet4533 holes in your drywall through your wife seems like a damn real thing to me
380 ACP handguns tend to be much easier to conceal. It was finally mentioned towards the end of the video.
Especially the Ruger LCP MAX with 10+1
Same caliber as 9 mm basically 1000 feet a second they work.
@@nickhammer6408 I think it's a lot to do with gun snobbery. So count the number of times they implied it's a woman's gun. It can be a very practical round for concealment. A fairer test would be on the control, so firing a 3 or 5 round string or full mag dump and see which is easier to keep on target and make effective hits. If you only have 1 bullet, sure a 9mm is probably more effective, but if you've only got 1 bullet, you're doing (or have done) something wrong. In a real life or death situation, you fire until your target is no longer a threat and most self-defence enagements are at a range of around 5yds. If you can control a 9mm, you'll probably find it easier to get more well-placed shots on a target with a .380
@@brolohalflemming7042 That was a horrible review. Sorry to say but true . 380 is as effective as any similar caliber. FBI ballistics says it achieves adequate penetration. Definitely has sexual issues . 380 women's caliber. I'd like one person who has ever been shot by any caliber say it is a sissy round. That guy is a joke.
He lost me when he said he was to good. A legend in his mind.
Why mention something everybody already knows?
I work on an ambulance, I carry a S&W bodyguard because of its size. It’s super easy to conceal, and if a patient were to attack I believe it would be effective at that short range. Of course I hope I never have to use it, but you see a lot of crazy stuff in EMS, and you never know.
Bodyguard is a comfortable gun to shoot for its size too. I love the thing.
I would be careful with that from a legal stand point depending on your state. Also remember that the moment you do that, the assumption for all EMT and NRP will be that they are armed.
Does your company/local government allow you to carry this firearm? Seems like a massive liability for them to me.
But of course, your own safety trumps their legal liability concerns. Not questioning that.
Allah only god
@@hellzshotgun he's not gonna answer that
I know from personal experience in 2015 when I was attacked by 4 men in an attempted robbery. I say attempted because after two shots of 380, nobody wanted to rob me nor fight me for my wallet. At point blank range with someone punching on me and reaching back to punch me again unprovoked and without warning, one shot went in between two front ribs, and through the heart had a small hole going in the heart and a whopper of a hole exiting the heart, hitting a lung as that bullet smacked up against a back rib and did not exit with a Hornadny self defense hollow point round. This shot did NOT knock the guy over but did get his attention enough to want to stop the attack. The other shot hit the base top of his ring finger, deformed a lot as it exited out his palm making a Knarly exit wound and continued to the surface of his chest and did not enter his chest cavity and fell to the ground (the bullet) the attacker was able to take a few steps to which it was reported that he did an unmitigated forward face plant to the pavement. This is consistent with a person losing a heart being nonfunctional has about 10 seconds to decide what to do with the short period of consciousness they have left. Ten seconds I would argue is enough time to punch someone enough times with enough force to kill a person, or draw a gun and shoot you back, or even present a knife and start slashing you until they fall over. A 380 needs a head shot to be instantly disabling. A heart shot will kill someone but will not knock that person over unless they weigh less than 80 pounds (maybe) but once they do go down, they are not getting up. With four attackers I only had 7 rounds lcp ruger to begin with as firing only two shots and not emptying my gun I think every trainer in my life would be proud. I would have done two to the chest and finished with a head shot but I had four attackers of which any one of them could have started in punching me if they did not run away after the first two shots were fired. Once the two shots were fired I looked for the other three to shoot, everybody was gone so I stopped firing, got my glasses back on my face and got out of there before the remaining three could come around and attack me again. Oh and this was at night, in a dark parking lot and severely compromised with the first devastating punch by the first attacker in the fight/robbery.
True point…my glasses were knocked off my face making me legally blind and one of the attackers told investigators that he was running up to my drivers door and stopped. The investigator asked why he stopped? The attacker replied, “because there was a gun pointed at him.” He was looking down the barrel of my just fired smoking gun with my finger on the trigger looking for my attackers to shoot them. When i could not see them I stopped firing, just like training dictates. AS I wanted to shoot my remaining attacker(s) I could not see the one running up to me to joinn in the fight I could not see him to shoot him but he could see me with my finger on the trigger and the gun pointed right at him stopping him in his tracks without having to fire another shot. I have since told people that you should never try robbing a complete and total stranger. You should get to know them first and if they are former competitive military shooters, civilian competitive shooters, you might want to buy that guy a beer so that you can live another day. Or just do not rob people.
you can say the same about 9mm when cops are continually shooting a guy that wont stop attacking with their 9mm
I carry .380 because I know as a defensive round, it will mortally wound my target with a lower potential of exiting and going beyond. You basically proved that the larger or powerful round it just that larger and more powerful.
this is a pretty good comment i also thought it probably would feel good if a hot bullet was stuck in u XD
I keep saying that over penetrative is no reason not to carry enough gun. We find very few if any cases of a person behind the bad guy being harmed after a bullet has exited the bad guy.
I mean... a .22 can kill a man. So... is it effective, yes, to an extent. I love these informational videos, we get to learn so much.
The real question is how many bullets will the man dying put back on you before that happens.
I think the biggest issue is people conflate "kill" with "stop". Even a 9mm in ball form is unlikely to "stop" a threat unless you land a really good shot. In reality in a defensive situation you don't really care if the other guy dies as long as he stops doing whatever he's doing - immediately. It just happens that lungs/spine/heart are the best way to do that and those tend to result in death.
@@Shadow__133 the same as with 9mm, .45. 10mm, etc. People can take a dozen rounds and still fight back.
i would choose .22 over .380 simply because capacity outweighs the 1% difference in ballistics between the 2
@@ranndomundead9112 Naah, rimfire are less reliable so I think I would take 380 unless its a .22 revolver and I can just keep squeezing the trigger after a dud.
I have 9's and 380's and what I'm always concerned about is over penetration and I feel no one addresses that on UA-cam. A part of me would rather not shoot than find out after the fact I hit someone's kid because the bullet passed through. I would appreciate if you guys did a video or a few videos talking about pass-through or over-penetration.
Debating on a compact 380 or a 45 bc the 9 makes me worry about the same thing with over penetration.
First let me say I have been a gun nut for more than 50 yr's. And from any research I have done I have not found any record of an innocent bystander being hurt or killed by over penetration in a SD situation. With that being said don't get me wrong guns will over penetrate but unless you are being Mr Hero like the young man at the mall in Indiana. There will most likely be no innocent bystander if you are being attacked and have to defend yourself. So I would say carry what your comfortable with I have everything from .22-.357 and have carried all of them depending on the situation. Any gun will stop someone if you dump enough rounds in them all these gun gurus on UA-cam are all ways talking BS about over pen and showing shooting only one time where does it say your only aloud to shoot an attacker one time. Most of them have no real knowledge only what they themselves have learned from UA-cam. Just old man wisdom use it or not and I hope you have a great life and never have to worry about innocent bystanders.
Paul Harrell covers all different types of ammo and guns on his channel.
@@michaelburke6552 yes, you shoot to stop the threat.
@@kennethcurtis1856 I don't quite understand your comment to me.
My friends nephew is a HWY patrolman of 5’6” around 175lbs. Small. Dead of night pulls over car and big black gets out. Cause for search, cuff for protection. Cop had one cuff on before he turned and grappled. Wrestling on the side of I85 230am. 310lbs vs 175lbs. Big guy on top now and going for his 9mm. Cop goes for his ankle 380 and plugs him twice in ribs. Dies on top of him. 380 works.
Goodnight, big black.
@@armanarmadillo ikr 😂😂
Doesn’t sound racist at all 🫤
I hate it when big black gets on top!!! Lmao
So being black is cause for a search?
I was shot in the face and shoulder with a .380 point blank on a traffic stop. It sucked, shattered my jaw and blew out 9 teeth. Took 4 years and 9 surgeries to fix everything. It’ll take the wind out of your sails for sure, but with any caliber I think shot placement matters most. Love the channel!!!
You in law enforcement?
@@invisiblerevolution …yes going on 22 years now. This occurred in 2019 and I was off work until fall of 2022
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GOD BLESS 🙏🏾
I joined my department September 7th 2007.
@@invisiblerevolution good man, what state are you in? I’m in Michigan
@@RomanEmpireRSVR
Philadelphia Police Department...
got them all. 9s, 45s, etc.. here in AZ a .380 in the pocket or J frame is a lot more concealable 6 months out of the year than alternatives. also, let's be clear about over-penetration.. not a good thing if defending yourself in a crowded situation. you are responsible for that bullet from the time you buy it until it completes it's mission. great video.. glad I ate lunch before seeing it.
every single round on the planet overpenetrates...it's mostly fuddlore/personal opinion in that regard
I can't see risking losing my life on a possible overpenetration or that there were people hit in the backstop. If my life is at stake I'm going to shoot and if an innocent gets killed so be it. I'd rather face those consequences alive. Our feminized culture of safety neuroticism has made us care too much about backstops. I'm not a cop, I have no obligation but to my own life.
I've been accused of over penetration. But, that was years ago.😊
@@driedbrainfreeze2149 that’s fuckin creepy, please reword that
What's up fellow arizonan!
.380 was the load of choice for most police sidearms (and some countries' militaries) through most of the 20th century. Obviously, it'll do the job if you can hit what you shoot at.
US police forces overwhelmingly prefer glocks in 9mm or .40. i cant think of anyone that uses 380.
You also missed the fact that many police agencies around the globe used .380. I read through a very graffic compilation of shooting victims which had fully detailed reports and pictures put together by an autopsy expert over several years. I saw hundreds of very fatal .380 wounds. I've also seen what a .380 does to a man's shoulder coming from a Ruger LCP, it went straight through
That's because they used to carry 38 revolvers that would never jam.
@georgethompson2597 That was 38 special, a different round. honestly a better round.
@georgethompson2597 Don't you just love it when people want to talk shit when they don't know what they are talking about? I don't know your age but I think most of them get their gun knowledge from UA-cam. Like you said the .380 has & still is being used by military & police. People in this country think that you must have a hand canon or it just wont do.👍
Carrying .380 has nothing to do with training or inability to control 9mm lol. Some days I carry .40 some days I carry .380, some days I have my semi auto 7 round 12 gauge with a bird’s head grip. In my truck I have an sbr 300 blackout suppressed some days. It honestly comes down to what matches my outfit.
The real question is not whether we can see a difference in performance, but whether the bad guy can feel one.
He can
he can, but the 380 is clearly also lethal
Oh he definitely can
He wouldn't feel a thing.
@@Richard0292thats why you lug around a .410 derringer
If that MF resists it, you should just leave the game
Yes the 9 is more powerfull, but all of the shots by the 380 looked more than adequate to stop most threats.
Yes but barriers are still a thing and well 380 doesnt preform well through windshields or even 2x4 where as 9mm will go through them easier and more consistently
@@gi6687 you missed my point but ok
@@lucasschmitz4588sounded more like you were making an argument for a defense weapon that simply doesn’t exist
@@jordankoontz1672huh?
@@gicr12attacker in a car, or driving at u in a car
Ok, these intros are becoming legendary. You guys are absolutely killing it.
The lab coat videos are way way better than the LARPing content to me.
You must be gay if you liked this intro. It’s ok to be gay.
Taurus Spectrum, underrated, amazing little tool that is basically invisible in your pocket, with good safety features and easy maintenance. Getting the right ammo also makes a difference.
I typically go .380 during summer since people don’t layer up and 9millie during winter. I believe nobody wants to get shot by neither. Good content! Stay training and aware!
Why not just carry a nine all the time and be done with it?
@@hunterbiden7391 I have small hands
@@hunterbiden7391 because of my body build. I’m 5’7 and 170lbs I print like a mofo! my 9mm carry is the Sig 365 Xmacro and I love carrying it but sometimes I can’t depending on what I wear. My go to .380 is the Ruger LCP Max and I carry that bad boy super easy with any type of clothing. Might not be ideal to some but works for me.
I'm in Florida so I do the same thing. Sig 365 during the winter and sig p238 for the rest of the year. Not a fan of the 365 because the ergonomics are a bit awkward in my hand but am still a decent shot with it but the sig 238 is awesome and is a great range gun too. It's like a mini 1911 chambered in 380 I highly recommend it
@@Javyruiz Ruger makes the LCP-9 too
A 380 is fantastic for summer carry. They can be really easy to conceal with light clothing.
So can a 9mm?
@@rangerdanger10ot as well though in terms of concealment.
@@rangerdanger10 big wrong
@@rangerdanger10 only a DB9 matches the profile of the mouse .380s.
@@spacechimp3199 365 and even the xl is a super concealable 9mm. So are the micro 1911s. I don't understand how one of any body stature could not conceal one of those. My 95lb girlfriend does and my 170lb self can as well. Can't even notice. Giving up a lot of power for something that's very very close in dimensions.
If you shoot the 380 better than a 9, then carry it. For winter carry use +P, or a jacketed flat tip bullet for more penetration. The 380 will penetrate the human skull, and does not need to exit for results. Reliability and shot placement is #1 and #2. The type of ammo for the job is very important. That said....The 380 is not 9mm. The 9mm is not the 10mm . And so on. It will still do the job, if you can do your part. "JMHO"
At about 8:50 + , he shoots dummy in chest , says it got the penetration , underwhelming , but a fatal shot . What is "underwhelming" about accomplishing the goal of stopping the threat in one shot ? Do you need to see a big explosion or something ?
The best thing to happen for 380's is that more manufacturers started producing more offerings. This has really helped in the availability of 380 ammo. It took many hours before to ever find ammo for a 380 due to this lack of popularity. So, Thank You.
Most manufacturers make .380 ACP in 2 runs a year. That’s why there are shortages.
If we are talking day to day life the 380 did outperform the 9mm maybe not ballistically but it passed, and you are responsible for that bullet even after it leaves the body of the assailant. what you showed is that the 380 will kill who you are shooting at with less chance of killing or injuring other people due to pass through. along with the lighter weight and less recoil it's definitely a great round.
I agree 100% bud. The pass thru is of great concern especially nowadays with how crazy out 2 tier justice system has become.
The .380 round was developed by John Browning and called 9mm Kurz (short) in Germany because that's what it is..
i think over penetration in this fashion is grossly overstated as an issue. ive yet to hear of a situation where the collateral damage caused by a pass through led to a tragic death. sailing through walls is one thing but causing an exit wound is another entirely.
@Kowazuky your are probably right. Consisting that statistically, you will never have to pull your gun in self-defense scenarios anyway, but just because it rarely happens doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered. I carry both, just depending on my situation, but I can say if it were to happen, you would probably really wish you could have done it differently.
I agree, I would not want over penetration especially if you are living in an apartment or you have family members in your house in other rooms and you have to use your fire arm for a self defense situation, 380 get's the job done safely and with better control which equals more shots on target!
Well, you convinced me. The .380 is a good defensive round. This is the kind of commentary you are dealing with when you have Tim the Toolman Taylors trying to convince you that the round is weak. The only thing they said that makes sense. Practice, practice, practice. In a crowded room I think I would rather have the .380 knowing that little Johnny behind the bad guy is not going to be a causality as well.
First time I've seen this channel and the opening jokes were great. Instant follow. Love the nerd coats.
Based off this video I'd figure the .380 is a totally valid option. Especially if you want a smaller firearm for your ccw.
Yeah. If you can carry a larger gun just as easily then you might as well go 9mm.
But for people like me, I have never managed to consistently carry a 9mm, but my LCP Max is much easier to always have.
The 380 in my pocket is infinitely more useful than my 9mm in my gun safe.
@@TheDarksideFNothing that is me. I have all sorts of firearms, g19, g43, shield plus.... i always ended up not grabbing one 100% of the time. Maybe was armed half the time. Then I got a LCP Max.... carry 100%, always and dont even think about it. Sits in the same bowl as my keys and wallet.
I never leave the house without my leetle fren, Max, first name ruger. I got an A in statistics so tend to rely on them than some guy who wants to measure his "gun" against yours. First, it is unlikely and a low probability you will ever use your gun in self defense. Second, statistically, if you draw, 98% of attackers flee without you even firing. If you fire and miss even more flee. And if you hit them center mass, and statistically the average shot is 9 feet, kinda hard to miss even under stress, it will stop them one way or another. So all the macho crap is bs. Of course 9 mm has more stopping power. But a 44 has more than a 9 mm. And a 50, hey, there's always that thug on angel dust... that is no longer even around. So statistically, not just ballistically, a 380 is appropriate for the job. My Max is always in my pocket, it's like it isn't even there. My neigbor left his 9mm at home cause just going to the gas station... where 4 "teens" with baseball bats attacked him. I have 3 rounds for each before I do a tactical mag change for 10 more. That would be 5 rounds each. See the youtube home invasion videos? How many does the homeowner fire and the invaders ask, hey, what caliber gun are you using. @@TheDarksideFNothing
@@mrca2004 right.
Basically, do I want to be ready for 100% of attackers 60% of the time, or 95% of attackers 95% of the time.
That's ultimately what the decision between 9mm and 380 amounts to for me.
I would suggest an elephant gun. Never know when an elephant will attack. Situational awareness and plenty of practice at draw and shot placement will improve you chances way more than a bit more propellant. When you draw or shoot, punks don't ask the caliber of your weapon, they run. Being punks they are cowards.@@TheDarksideFNothing
The .380 in your pocket beats the 1911 you left at home or in your truck. I love my little LCP because it is so easy to stick in an IWB holster or your back pocket. It isn't the only thing I ever carry but, it gets carried more than anything else because it is so easy to conceal.
Do you got the lcp2 or a lcp max?
@@jerrys5581 plain old LCP.
Spoken like a true G!!!!!!
This is my current thought process. Getting an lcp max to throw in my pocket
I don't leave my 1911 "at home"...👌
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From a fellow Charles, I just wanted to say that everyone knows that comic relief is essential to any good show. I laugh out loud every time I watch these vids. You two make a dastardly duo turning solid ballistic gel into a mountain of mess! Please keep up the good work, and stay funny! 🤘🏼
That opening is my new favorite thing. As a Wes Anderson and firearms enjoyer I really appreciate the crossover, those two things unfortunately dont overlap much.
seriously, no one has really ever done that and it was fantastic
The .380 in your pocket will do you a lot more good than the .45 that’s on the nightstand cause it’s too big to actually carry and/or conceal.
This is the exact reason I carry 380 EVERY day. Goes in my pocket as easily as my big wad of keys that ride in the other pocket and I NEVER leave without it. I carried IWB 9mm for a few years and noticed that a lack of discipline caused me to not always carry it. Know yourself. If you are disciplined enough to fool with carrying a larger firearm EVERY time you leave, then do so. If not, choose something that you will carry EVERY day. Personally, I found that a 5 minute trip to the corner store and things like that were where I was just too lazy to fool with putting on a holster for 9mm. 380 slides into my pocket even to walk to the mailbox. No way I'd do that with a holster and large firearm. Again, just know yourself and act accordingly IMO.
@@storm9872001 also, here in the south it’s just too hot to wear enough clothes in the summer to conceal a bigger pistol. Also, the wild hogs that I’ve dispatched with my .380 all died and they are tougher than any person I’m likely to run in to, so I know I will continue to feel a lot better with a little pistol I’ll actually carry versus the big sexy ones that look good at the range, but never end up on my person when I’m out in the world.
There are 9s small enough to fit in your pocket the regular p365 is probably smaller than the Beretta in this video
@@ThaWiz11 the smallest 9mm I know of is the sig p938, and its too big for pocket carry. Even the 238 is still chunky.
LCP is probably small enough.. though I have an NAA guardian .380, which def is small enough for pocket carry...I carry it's little brother the .32--THAT is def a pocket gun
I conceal carry 43x and a g 17 g 5
The resurgence of the .380s popularity has led to the development of some remarkable loads. 40 years ago the .380 was a pretty lousy choice with the available ammo selection, but nowadays it's adequate. Not as good as a 9mm, but functionally worthwhile as a self-defense round and certainly has a place in today's market.
I like it because it’s so easily carried/ easily controlled when shooting. I forget it their. And I have confidence it’ll get me through any conflict, if needed, and I don’t have to worry about uncontrollable recoil in a fearful state of mind.
The 380 in my pocket is infinitely more useful for self defense than the 9mm in my gun safe
Glad to see it demonstrated that the caliber is effective. To me it looked like you're still getting most of the damage.
I'll take a slight damage reduction to make the gun noticeably more comfortable to carry and shoot (comparing my LCP Max to my PF9)
Especially considering how low the odds are that I'll ever have to use it.
40 years ago? Well, 1939 to 1945 a crap load of people were "retired" with 9mm kurz/.380 handguns. A frigging crap load.
I know well of two stories of death by only 1-shot of .380acp out of the tiny-barreled Ruger LCP. Probably scores of such.
Charlie was on fire today. There's no way I could try to drink anything around this guy. Everything that comes out of his mouth is absolutely hilarious 😂
My recommendation is to carry what you are comfortable with, and can shoot well. Any round that makes holes, and causes an attacker to hurt and bleed , is a good defensive round. ( even .22). I like revolvers, and often recommend them to new shooters, and women with smaller wrists. Not everyone can shoot often, or get to the range regularly, not many are trained to clear “ stovepipes” and jams. Revolvers are simple and easy to learn. The purpose of defensive shooting is to make an attacker go away and quit attacking…any gun that does that is good defense.
Problem is ladies are recoil sensitive and don't operate a double action trigger very effectively to be accurate so....
Mr. Thumb, please make your next ballistics test video about the effectiveness of various short barreled rifles at longer distances on gel torsos. It would be interesting to see how much damage a 10.3-11.5 inch barrel can do at 300+ yards compared to a 14.5-18 inch, also various ammo like mk262 vs m855 etc. Because everyone already knows you can make shots pretty far with intermediate calibers, but there aren't good gel tests. The evidence for or against lethality largely consists of anecdotes from the war on terror.
This needs pinned
I’d love to see that video👍
@@MilesLong762x51 agreed, upvote to summon mike. The world need to know if mk262 can really vibe check someone at 400 yards when coming out of a short barrel. How hard does the mk18 fornicate when compared to the 14.5 inch SR15 at 300 yards? Only one man can help us.
Yep, also very interested to see flannel daddy do this
@@mastabugfish it would settle a lot of debates that have implications for real combat (whether it be military, LE, or civilian) and GT is one of the only people who has the resources to do it. I don't think it would be too hard either, and it would get lots of views. Just need ammo and ballistics gel torsos. He already has the guns, land, and cameras.
Way back in the day when I was a young lad I owned a BB gun. I also had just gotten some new boots. I was curious about the durability and protective capacity of my boots, and the potency of my BB gun. I cocked, rested my BB gun on top of my right foot w/ the boot on, and pulled the trigger. The pain that rippled through my foot was excruciating. I wasn't running or even walking after any body. Upon inspection I found the BB embedded in the boot leather. Point? Self-defence is statistically going to be close, and getting out of the situation w/ the least amount of damage is the goal. A big part of that is being the guerrilla fighter. Catch your attacker by surprise. Not letting people know your capability. .380 puts us in a category of handguns that are much smaller. Which means many more undetectable carry options. Also, which is mentioned below, not passing through the body is a good thing. You are responsible for every round you discharge. I'm confident if my BB gun was a .380 handgun the round would have gone through the leather and into my foot. If it got through my foot it might well have imbedded in the sole of my boot. I would have fallen to the ground and been taken to the hospital, and been using crutches for a while.
380 is very adequate in the real world. This is a cool video, but sometimes things can be overanayzed. I dont personally carry one, but 380s should never be underestimated.
Well, if a 380 is used in a place where there are other people, the lack of exiting the target could be a potential benefit. If anything, I would think a lighter grain frangible projectile with a hot loading, would be best on a bad guy not wearing body armor. The idea being, you want to transfer as much energy into the target with minimal over penetration to prevent injuring other bystanders. I think it's fare to say, regardless of caliber, when you start putting holes in someone where they don't belong, they are going to have a very bad day.
It's great to see Charlie back, he adds some great humor to the channel.
I love Charlie
He’s hilarious and the reason I subbed a year or so ago
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He has my type of humor which is hilarious.
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I saw a study that examined the effectiveness of different handgun calibers. The study concluded that if your goal is to stop a bad guy from robbing you or beating or shooting you any caliber will stop him once they realize they have been shot. It may not kill them right away but it will convince most bad guys to stop doing what they are doing. Most people have seen videos of bad guys coming in a store to rob it and once the store owner fires a shot most of them scramble out of the store like scared cats even if no one is hit. A .380 may not kill a bad guy as fast but it will stop someone from continuing the attack in many cases. I find it much easier to carry a small pocket size .380 in a front pants pocket than wearing a jacket or big shirt in the summer to hide a full size 9 mm in a holster on my belt. I also live in a rural area where my chances of needing to shoot someone is pretty remote so while it is a compromise choice to carry .380 it makes sense for me.
Less than 30 seconds into video, and Charlie already making it an instant classic!
He doesn't say anything until after the 60 second mark
😂😂😂😂Charlie is wild.
My man said “I immediately thought you were gonna go like trann…” 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Absolutely love the different intros. Really working that creative side and we appreciate it.
The appeal to the .380 pistols is the concealability. Most of the year, I carry a 9mm. But, in hotter weather, I carry a .380 because it's lightweight and doesn't print under a t-shirt.
Another channel did ballistics testing testing on the different brands of .380 ammo in the smaller, shorter barrel .380 pistols and found that the Speer Gold Dot was the best performing .380 ammo. It's all I carry in my .380 pistols now.
I agree - this was a 'fair' test, but the truth is that probably the majority of our (the viewing audience's) .380's are more like LCP Max barrels instead of longer barrels. Gun channels seem to highlight subcompacts - which are always better for ballistics, but really... how many of us are 'cheating' with .380's for the recoil vs. the size? Summer in a hot climate? LCP Max weather, baby.
2 points to be made here. I personally like the 380 BECAUSE it dumps almost all of its energy and either doesn't leave the intended target or if it does usually cannot cause severe injury to an innocent bystander. Also there is a report online that shows the 380 is the most deadly round in terms of actual shootings. Overpenetration is a real problem. It endangers innocent people but if the bullet were to remain lodged you also have the chance of causing secondary damage due to organs/tissue rubbing up against its sharp edges.
That is crap. The most deadly round? You either made that up or read a bogus report. In fact, a 380 causes the LEAST damage to the people shot. Good grief.
@@michaelgibbs3011they didn’t make that up they just mis worded the report
It talks about something (to the same effect of) listing all calibers involved in self defense shootings
Then compares how many shots fired
.380 had the least shots fired till threat was incapacitated/surrendered
I believe the cartridges that were in this test were .380 .38 .357 9mm and 45acp
@@michaelgibbs3011also there’s a lot to ballistic a lot of times a less powerful bullet getting stuck in a target is more devastating than a more powerful bullet zipping through
Or a larger caliber bullet going slower delivering less overall energy doing more damage
My point is foot pounds delivered is a good reference point but it’s not a accurate measurement of damage
45-70 beats .300 win mag on ballistics gel in terms of damage but the .300 is more powerful than the 45-70
I gotta say…I can’t miss an episode that’s got Charlie in it. Literally one of the best things in the internet
the slomo shot on the G9 .380 was incredible. its was so close to punching through. crazy watching it suck back into the gel
is that an antisemitic dog whistle?
the compact taurus 380 with good ammo packs a punch, just like a fs92
The 380 is extremely comfortable for me to carry and shoot. Over a lot of years, I have carried many different sizes and calibers, and I can tell you the gun that you consistently carry because it's comfortable and capable is better than the 45 you left at home because you where just going to the gas station.
I carry the S&W 380 Body guard without laser. I like it because fully loaded with an extended mag in goes into my pocket without weight or size concerns. Its just easier and because of the size I never leave home without it. Even in Gym Shorts. Tried carrying the 9mm and I was leaving it a home a lot. Never felt right in my pocket and waist carry was uncomfortable. In Florida you dont wear a lot of clothing for concealment. Always in shorts, tshirt and flip flops. If I go into the boat, take road trips or next to my bed I use the 9mm.
With the recent advancements in ammo technology, both the 9mm and the .380 have made significant strides since the early 1980s. The 9x19 will always be a bit ahead of the 9x17. Just as the .357 magnum will always be ahead of the .38 caliber.
I feel it's safe to say from what we have seen here that 380 is fine to carry if the characteristics of the gun meet your needs in a way 9mm models don't. The advantages like reduced recoil or size, etc.
If the advantages provided by guns only available in 380 are important to you it's a valid choice.
@@TheDarksideFNothing Less felt recoil can easily mean more shots on target in less time. With nerve damage in both hands, I've tested that on targets with my carry guns.
@@phigdon3 I agree.
Training can overcome a lot of recoil control issues for most people without health concerns, but not everyone has the time, money, interest, or wellness to put in enough range time to accomplish that, and I'd argue that the same training would have even better results with the reduced recoil caliber.
Unfortunately, the micro 380 form factor being notably smaller than what's possible with micro 9mm negates a lot of the benefits of the reduced total energy of the 380 vs 9mm. The tradeoff being that my LCP Max actually leaves the house in my pocket whereas my PF9 often didn't.
But definitely, if you have an identical form factor and your options are 9mm or 380, there can definitely be advantages to going 380.
A bullet on target is significantly more useful than a miss, regardless of caliber.
I'll take a 380 to the torso of my adversary any day over a 45acp into the wall behind them.
@barrydraper indeed. The important takeaway to me is not that 9mm is more lethal, but that 380 is lethal enough.
Of course 9mm is going to do more damage. But if there are key advantages to comfort and concealability offered by a 380 form factor, the fact that it will still be quite highly likely to accomplish the end goal is the important factor.
@barrydraper indeed. The important takeaway to me is not that 9mm is more lethal, but that 380 is lethal enough.
Of course 9mm is going to do more damage. But if there are key advantages to comfort and concealability offered by a 380 form factor, the fact that it will still be quite highly likely to accomplish the end goal is the important factor.
I think that cartridge power is a non-issue if you can't hit your target where it counts. A 380 to the head of your target is infinitely better than a 500 magnum through the head of the passerby behind your target.
Totally agree. I've always said, I'd rather be missed by a .44 Magnum than hit by a .22
I agree people don't need their firearm to penetrate 2,3 people or more. Common sense should help keep the safety
Then there's the legal aftermath. DA's live for prosecuting people for defending themselves with "Rambo guns"
@@marcb.9492that doesn’t even make any sense
@@bubblemonkeyshow do you figure?
I dated an ER Nurse for quite sometime and she told me basically everyone hit with standard calibers (9mm, .45, etc) the bullet passed through and in many instances survived. The real troublesome shots were when bullets didn't pass through, bounced around or were in pieces or caused erratic wound tracks, like .22 LR. She saw, more people die from .22 LR wounds after the fact than 9mm wounds.
Yep very true, worked with 2 large hospital systems most deaths related to gun shot wounds where 22lr, dealers and criminals who shoot larger caliber like 9mm or 223, for the most part use fmj, they go straight through, with 22 the bullet shatters goes all over the place, patients usually deal with infection related to lead intoxication (plumbism) and or neurotoxicity post surgery bullet extraction, if they survived that far into it.
I think that a 9mm is much more energetic on impact than a .22 LR tho, right? I live in Germany, we can't carry any guns here, but if we could I think I'd pick the option that puts a threat down as quickly as possible - after all I wouldnt really care if the shots are lethal, and I'd prefer an incapacitated person that later on survives vs a guy that got hit with a .22 LR, but still managed to kill me because he didn't instantly go down, only to then die in a hospital later on. Idk, maybe these thoughts are completely irrational, after all I never shot a gun, but I'd like to pick the safer option.
@@neothespankplank5839 A 9mm is superior to a 22LR, but since the FBI switched from .40 S&W to 9mm they train their agents to double tap the target. Two rounds of 9mm will mess up anyone this side of an angry bear, sasquatch, etc.
@@neothespankplank5839it's about shot placement sure if your a bad shot a 9mm to the arm is gonna cause more blood loss quickly than a .22lr but holes of any size directly through the chest and into or through the lungs and or heart will immediately make anyone very quickly forget what they where doing and start focusing on making their peace with god
Amen
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All 380 shots may not have penetrated as far as 9mm but, all 380 shots were kill shots.
Completely agree! I don't want my .380 to over Penetrate; I want the bullet to dump all the energy and expand as much as possible. The .380 is a git off me gun inside 20 yards. All I need it to hit a lung, artery, ect to be effective.
yeah none of their "experiments" were designed to answer the question, just to prove that the 380 was less powerful, which we already knew
I care about lethality. I care about stopping power.
You two just proved with proper hit placements the 380 is just as effective as the 9mm in this scenario.
So is the .22 with proper shot placement. With the size of the 9mm you can get these days why not. Only 2 mm of extra casing on the 9mm round over the. 380. They're pretty close. If I lived up north or way south I'd not carry .380 with its low Temps and everyone wearing layers of clothing.
Hit placement in an actual shooting is one of the last things to pass through a person's mind.
@@mnpd3 no but muscle memory from training sure as hell helps. When it's instinctive...
@@mnpd3 That’s why cops spray & pray so to speak
Yes. My S&W 642 Airweight is my favorite carry. No misfires. No jams .
Charlie was in rare form. Freaking hilarious. The video was cool too.
I carry a S&W 380 body guard because it is the perfect self defense weapon. If you really need to pull your weapon in self defense it means the attacker is on top of you. You don't want a long barrel they can grab on to. If it comes to a gunfight the better option is to run away. Most people don't realize you are way more likely to survive gunfire if you are running , then if you are standing there firing back. The 380 BG is a true belly gun. It's an incased revolver so nothing can get hung on anything. You literally put it in their stomach and squeeze away. It's much easier to explain when you're in court. If a court thinks you could have gotten out of the situation but you opened fire at distance you're going to jail. So a belly gun like a 380.Really is the best option for self defense. The weapons build itself keeps you from using it incorrectly, and quite possibly illegally. My opinion anyway.
Love the .380. Wife loves hers too. I have 9mm, and .40 Walther, and Berretta .380. Wife carries .380 or .22 @ home. Any firearm you are comfortable and accurate with is a good choice in time of need. As a veteran, i will say this. Everybody is a bad ass ... until they leak.we train to make em leak alot if it comes to that. Rounds on Target is more important than caliber choice. I have never heard any combatant ask what caliber i shot them with, nor have i ever asked what they prefer.
Yes !!! My Dad was shot by a .380 last week and it killed him. Not instantly . It went through his heart. I believe it was a Hornady Critical Defense round. I won’t go into details. I saw EMS working on him and my life has been turned upside down. I still carry 380 in my CPX-3 SCCY. Potent round no matter what anyone says. RIP Dad. Miss you dearly
Damn im sorry man
Sorry for your loss
having your dad get shot and killed by a 380 then immediately going to watch a video about 380 penetration is crazy
So sorry to hear about your father! Prayers for you and your family
No one piecing together that he shot his dad is crazy lol 😂cmon people do the math here
"I know for a fact 4 inches is still a big deal on camera" ... Charlie kills me
how about that Superman joke? lol
Keep in mind that RFK was killed with a 22. Regan was shot (almost killed) and Brady was killed with a 22. A .380 is enough. Is a 9mm or a 45 ACP better? Sure. But, I have never had anyone volunteer to go down range when I had a .380 in my hand. Its not a toy. It can and will kill you. Period.
Over-penetration is something folks ought to consider. IMO .380's the best caliber for micro compact pistol frames. it isn't nearly as snappy and it's much easier to get followup shots.
Over-penetration is a serious risk for all women who date me ought to consider.
I'm not at all recoil sensitive but most often I'm carrying my 380 because it is just so easy to carry. It absolutely has it's limits but I would rather have something with me than nothing.
Same here. I'm in Texas and it's HOT! I like the smaller firearm and it still seemed in this text that it is absolutely deadly.
Definitely.
I love my LCP2, everyday pocket carry and I forget it’s there at times, so small.
I carry a Makarov for a long time for the same reason
@@ryth-2401 nice side arm! cannot stand the machismo bs like the guy @ beginning said "only women or small Phillipinos carry 380". Good luck reacquiring your shot with your oh so manly hand cannon faster than me with my 380
I’m 6’5 300lbs I pocket carry a 380 bodyguard all day everyday. I work outdoor by myself in the utility field. I love the convenience of a small pocket carry 380.
That what I carry working out 380 Taurus spectrum 7rds +1 loaded with underwood penetrator. Aim at the gut work up to chest and head.
you guys can't fight for shit huh?
You could probably pocket carry a sig p365 in 9mm and not notice the difference
@Rick Smith I had a pocket ruger9 it was pretty snappy I like the pocket 380 spectrum better.
@@ricksmith7232 I pocket carry p365 and now leave G19 at home for bedside home defense.
Can't go wrong with p365.
One important situation in favor of the 9mm over .380 was not presented here. It's pretty telling when shooting gel through heavy cover like a layer or two of denim or leather (most perps aren't naked). The .380 has its power significantly reduced with most HP ammo in that case. The 9mm does as well but it has enough energy remaining to still meet needs. Having said that, I would not hesitate to carry .380 if I was for some reason not able to carry something more potent. It is an effective SD round.
“Jet fuel can not melt these steel columns.” Charlie’s with the most true line of the vid.
Along with the moon landing lol
😂 If you don't know... You need to be more educated my friend.
Sad 911 was orchestrated by our own gov
@Ghost87 explain yourself
@@mblake0420 well a 747 jet smashing into those steel beams would have weakened them.
I love this channel. Charlie is absolutely hilarious, and if he's getting paid then he deserves a raise!
Charlie gets paid in butterscotch pudding😂
Charlie rocks!
He’s just pointy out blatant government lies
He gets paid in faceshots.
They'll happily throw a whole bunch of extra zeroes on his paycheck.
At the front of all the other numbers!
I personally carry 9 but honestly if you live in an area that has lots of people or crowded areas .380 might actually be good since it seems to be less likely to over penetrate. And with it being smaller you'll be able to make easier follow up shots and carry more ammo possibly. I still like 9 but I Definitely don't want to be shot by .380
It's not going ti help you carry more ammo - the cartridges are almost the same size as each other.
@@razorb4ck .380 has similar dimensions to the old Italian 9mm Quarto round (which was fired from the Italian Beretta M1934 pistol, back in WW2).
Good round, but definitely not great. Still, it's actually quite effective, even with it's reduced stopping power (when compared to other pistol rounds).
Honestly, it's a lot better than 8mm Nambu.
@@darryldouglasmarbaniang7162 .380 was first known as 9mm Kurz. The Germans killed a lot of people with it.
@@casey360360 Well, damn...
But if I'm not mistaken, .380 does have the tendency to tumble a bit (after hitting the target).
@@darryldouglasmarbaniang7162 9mm Corto, is .380 acp.
Perhaps you are thinking 9mm Glisenti which was identical to 9 Luger but loaded to 380 levels.
I think this comes down to, if you can carry a 9mm vs a .380 ACP, chose the 9. I carry a .380, but that is simply because I carry it as a pocket pistol (Ruger LCP). If I was to change, I would likely switch to some sort of holster around the waist, which defeats my preference to simply having it in my pocket.
However, I am fully aware that it has drawbacks, less velocity for the .380, even more so with the short barrel of the LCP, leading to less penetration and less expansion or no expansion. There are only a couple models I can buy here in California anyway, but at this point, my feeling is, if used, it is likely to be within 6 feet, I am not missing at that range and the other person is not going to like it.
But I am thinking of an upgrade, not just for the 9, but the added capacity, still limited to 10+1 here in communist California.
Yes it has been known for years that the 380 is perfect for carry. It has the energy and penetration needed. It also penetrates vehicles windshields and still penetrates through those dummies after hitting the windshields.
Remember, any caliber is worthless if you can't anything with it. Also, any gunshot wound will make most sober attackers pause and rethink their recent decisions.
The Wes Anderson-style intro was 110% on point masterfully done
True. Now they need Owen Wilson, Bill Murray, or Jason Schwartzman to make a cameo.
May I ask what elements make a Wes Anderson intro ? Thanks 🙏
@@Lee-vb4vh All of these ... ua-cam.com/video/trWLY6NrS2Q/v-deo.html
I think the .380 just demonstrated it's lethality. .380 punched through the rib bone, through, the heart and out the back. It entered the front of the skull and bounced around inside, followed by a shot to the side of the skull where fragments exited the opposite side. The gut shot went through the organs and out the back. 9mm had more energy impact but the .380 killed it just the same.
yep all he did was demonstrate that they both will kill you
As a limited case point a 380 vs 9mm, a 380 would have enough effect to stop an assailant without fear of over penetration. Thus in a grocery store or public space with potential chaos and innocents, I might feel a little safer knowing I won't through and through a bad guy to hit anyone behind them.
In 35 years, the only exit wounds to center mass from a handgun I have seen were from a 357 Magnum. 380 FMJ will go through a head. Oddly enough, I responded to one 'suicide' (I'm skeptical) in the recent past where the person used a 9mm with a 3 inch barrel. I don't know what type of round was in it (I sure would have liked to check, but the cops already had the gun) It did NOT pass through the head.
I'm of the opinion that shot placement is the biggest factor in stopping a fight. The data I've looked at hasn't showed a significant difference in fight stopping ability between 380, 9mm, 40S&W, or 45, it's all about getting well placed shots. 380 allows me to get shots on target faster and more accurately, so I have no problems picking it over 9mm in small guns like a P365.
.380 has twice FPF@@moldetaco2281
Big thanks for the .380 ballistic dummy testing! Quality testing for this caliber is surprisingly scarce on YT.
Can we get a 5.7x28 video testing different loads and barrel lengths next please?
YES!!! THIS PLEASE!
Yes! But don't just use the target ammo that you see in a lot of videos. Use the actual self defense stuff. T6, dragons Fang, S4M, etc...
I'd like to see a 5.7 banshee vs an 8" .223 just so people will finally understand why that gun is such a worthless waste of money. lol
@@iDeagles which one is a waste of money?
@@iDeagles 5.7 gives you more rounds in a more compact magazine, with lower recoil, and better performance out of a shorter barrel. At 8", 5.56 is just unreliable and has terrible ballistics. You'll barely get 2300 ft/s and effective range is only 100 yards. 5.7 can do the same in a 5" barrel, and can do it out to 200 yards, and with less recoil to boot.
Excellent review, I carry the S&W Bodyguard. It gives tight patterns out to 20 yards. Great CC Pistol.
Charlie was KILLING it in this video!! So damn funny loved it!