thx for the comments and good luck with the conversion! i am glad i went the direction i did even though it was a bit if a learning curve. Hopefully some of my info helps you out.
This channel, finding simon, I came across a video recently which gives a good breakdown of the different types of electric motors. I found his video informative. I went with a Brushless DC motor, as there is no spark and therefore cannot accidentally ignite any fumes. I don't have any propane or alcohol stove etc. but if I did want to add later, I didn't want any chance of a motor creating sparks. ua-cam.com/video/bMXR1UYSMa4/v-deo.html
@@TheNeds I agree. The learning curve is sort of a pain, but in the long run, to power off the sun instead of dead dinosaur juice... worth it! Thanks and will check out Finding Simon!
Greetings! The kilowatt rating is the output of power from your motor. 1 kilowatt of output is equivalent to 1.333 hp. in your case you have 10 kw, motor so it's output is 13 hp. i hope this helps you. good luck!
hi i put descriptions and links in the description of the video. if you are looking for a DIY there is also thunderstruck ev as well as golden motor where you can buy parts.
the motor has 6 hex bolts to attach it on the opposite of the shaft end. i don’t know for certain the implications of mounting with the shaft up or down facing but i would post on the golden motor user forum. i never looked into it. i know from history that electric motors were the vertical orientation motor choice for many applications. good luck !
I would like to make an outboard motor for a tender. Does this motor have a water pump built in? Or can I add an electric one to recirculate fresh water into an underwater "radiator" of sorts so that I don't have to run salt water through it?
no pump in the liquid cooled version. i am hooking up a glycol mix and radiator to cool the controller through an external rad, fan and pump. i don’t want salt water touching anything which is why i’m going this route. will have it captured on video soon as i can.
@@TheNeds Hey man, thanks for these vids. Would something like this work: Baldor 25 HP AC Motor 230/460 volts 3600 Rpm 2P 284TS Frame? www.baldordirect.com/EM4107T-25-Hp-3600-Rpm-284TS-FR-230-460-Vac-3-PH-TEFC-EM4107T.htm ??
@@raulpi9441 I am not an expert here probably better to confirm with Golden directly, but on their documentation, it has 2 hall sensors, one labelled hall/thermal sensor and one labelled spare hall sensor. I believe that there are 2 hooked up onto 2 stators. If there is a failure in one stator, you can move the hall sensor to the spare. In my testing, either one made the motor run. When I asked Golden about them, the feedback I received was that I could have a second controller, but I didn't ask further if it's 2 controllers running at the same time or just a quick connected backup.
The motor I put in was the 48V and 10KW version. Prices are online, in CDN on Golden Motor's website for Canada goldenmotor.bike/product/48-volt-10kw-bldc-motor-liquid-cooled/ goldenmotor.bike/product/vector-500-series-48-volt-brushless-motor-controller/ I also spent about $400 in misc parts, cable ends, wire, aluminum etc.
I haven't pushed it passed 5 knots but there is more engine available than I have used. I am not in the habit of over-revving engines. In a 52 knot storm I had to motor against it blown off anchor and was pushing 90 amps as opposed to my usual 20 amps. My max hull speed is 6.5 knots. I imagine that different props would make a significant difference as mine is a slim 2 blade prop. I'm looking for a 3 blade prop. Also adjusting the gear ratio (mine is 1.92 to 1) would use less power. The 10KW motor has significant torque performance over the 5kw version. My goal is to get to 4 knots using about 500 less RPM which would keep me at 20-22 amps draw. Right now I'm 3.2 knots at 22 amps.
it really depends on a lot of factors, but you can find pricing online at goldenmotor.bike/product/48-volt-10kw-bldc-motor-liquid-cooled/ and the controller goldenmotor.bike/product/vector-500-series-48-volt-brushless-motor-controller/
@The Neds you might also want to learn that your numbers on a 20% efficiency gas engine or diesel engine for one is way off and has no bearing on the rated output most gasoline and diesel engines run much closer to 50% efficient but if an engine rated at 25 horsepower it puts out 25 horsepower it just burns more fuel to make that depending upon its efficiency but it still puts it out now a gasoline engine that's rated at 25 horsepower maximum can't run at 25 horsepower continuous but maybe 75% so you're going to be comparing a roughly 13 horsepower electric motor 2 maybe a 20 horsepower internal combustion engine not certain that that no no insult intended but that cheap electric motor is going to be able to put out a full 10 kilowatts continuously but even if it can I don't know that it's going to keep up and do the same job that your old motor did it may do a good enough job to make you happy but 25 horsepower internal combustion engine has a pretty good chance of keeping up or besting the 10 kilowatt DC motor hope it works out for you
missed your comment a while back. ‘cheap’ is relative. after solar, batteries, controllers and wiring i doubt there was much savings if anything might be more expensive. i will put a complete comparison as refurb Atomic 4 was put in i have a full invoice. it was $6700 USD for the rebuilt motor (not installed just the motor). i think my comments still stand as if it was a brand new engine i agree that it probably has more efficiency. i didn’t have any facts here but it was the atomic 4 was a rebuilt 1967 tractor motor. I highly doubt it was efficient at all but i could get boat speed up to 6 knots with it. damn it was loud. at low rpm it didn’t move the boat at all compared to the 10kw electric. in contrast i recently (accidentally) max throttled my electric motor and was speeding up past 6.5 knots before i realized it. its so much quieter. i run at less than 1kw to get 3 knots. so 10% throttle. id have to be over 1200 RPM on the gas to get over 3 knots so 50%. that i believe is the differences in efficiency. i wish i had the foresight to record and graph the atomic 4 rpm/engine speed vs boat speed. thx for the comments i think a good debate on electric vs combustion is full of opinions and loves just as much as facts.
thx for some details there. i think i have found similar real world results as i run my motor at 10% to move at 3 knots. i am still using the original prop. i had to limit in the electric controller my max rpm to 2400 as i just keep caveating before the change. thx for the comments!
Just subscribed and liked. Looks like a topic I want to know more about. Please however ... The video is way too jerky ! Making me sea sick. Are you wearing the camera on your forehead ? Please ...
using in my sailboat, I wanted to use deep cycle golf cart batteries, 8 of them in series, and I don't have enough space for more. Also, I was thinking that the higher the voltage it can get dangerous and I felt that 48 volts was as high I felt comfortable with. But maybe that is just in my head and not reality. I did test touch across the phases and it does buzz....
Another perspective from those of us putting these in sail boats... Voltage. I have to get the volts coming out of my solar array higher than the voltage in the battery for the battery to charge. In my case that is 2 household pv panels, gets me to 60 volts, and I have run out of shade free room on my boat, and that is at high noon.
Every video of yours is gold to me.
Thank you for showing these! Looking to rip/replace an Atomic 4 gas too. Going to do electric, which makes so much more sense and more cost effective.
thx for the comments and good luck with the conversion! i am glad i went the direction i did even though it was a bit if a learning curve. Hopefully some of my info helps you out.
This channel, finding simon, I came across a video recently which gives a good breakdown of the different types of electric motors. I found his video informative. I went with a Brushless DC motor, as there is no spark and therefore cannot accidentally ignite any fumes. I don't have any propane or alcohol stove etc. but if I did want to add later, I didn't want any chance of a motor creating sparks. ua-cam.com/video/bMXR1UYSMa4/v-deo.html
@@TheNeds I agree. The learning curve is sort of a pain, but in the long run, to power off the sun instead of dead dinosaur juice... worth it!
Thanks and will check out Finding Simon!
Good luck
thanks!
Greetings! The kilowatt rating is the output of power from your motor. 1 kilowatt of output is equivalent to 1.333 hp. in your case you have 10 kw, motor so it's output is 13 hp. i hope this helps you. good luck!
thx, appreciate the info, commenting and for watching.
Thank you for your video. I am looking for a 48V low-power, three-phase induction motor. Do you have any suggestions for where I can buy it?
hi i put descriptions and links in the description of the video. if you are looking for a DIY there is also thunderstruck ev as well as golden motor where you can buy parts.
Can this motor be mounted flat (shaft down) ? I dont see any mounting attachment holes...
the motor has 6 hex bolts to attach it on the opposite of the shaft end. i don’t know for certain the implications of mounting with the shaft up or down facing but i would post on the golden motor user forum. i never looked into it. i know from history that electric motors were the vertical orientation motor choice for many applications. good luck !
I would like to make an outboard motor for a tender. Does this motor have a water pump built in? Or can I add an electric one to recirculate fresh water into an underwater "radiator" of sorts so that I don't have to run salt water through it?
no pump in the liquid cooled version. i am hooking up a glycol mix and radiator to cool the controller through an external rad, fan and pump. i don’t want salt water touching anything which is why i’m going this route. will have it captured on video soon as i can.
Please tel me from where i have to order this motor and kit.
hi the description on the video should have links to all the parts i’m using. cheers!
Can you please send me the link for 10kw kit,like what all should I buy
The links are in the descriptive text of the video above to all the major components of the refit including the 10KW motor and controller.
@@TheNeds Hey man, thanks for these vids. Would something like this work:
Baldor 25 HP AC Motor 230/460 volts 3600 Rpm 2P 284TS Frame?
www.baldordirect.com/EM4107T-25-Hp-3600-Rpm-284TS-FR-230-460-Vac-3-PH-TEFC-EM4107T.htm
??
I want to order this. Please help me
Just in Case, could i use it for a racing car?
not certain how big you are thinking but its about 13hp equivalent
This model could work as a generator?
it does have regen in the software. i have not tried it yet with any serious observations
How thick is the Liquid Hose?
hi i checked and they have 8x5mm markings on them
Can u assembly that to ebike?
goldenmotor.bike some nice customer builds there
Is it 3 phase with 2 controller?
yes it's a 3 phase motor, and it can take 2 controllers from my understanding.
@@TheNeds I think 1 for controller and for censor
@@raulpi9441 I am not an expert here probably better to confirm with Golden directly, but on their documentation, it has 2 hall sensors, one labelled hall/thermal sensor and one labelled spare hall sensor. I believe that there are 2 hooked up onto 2 stators. If there is a failure in one stator, you can move the hall sensor to the spare. In my testing, either one made the motor run. When I asked Golden about them, the feedback I received was that I could have a second controller, but I didn't ask further if it's 2 controllers running at the same time or just a quick connected backup.
40 kw bldc motor & controller, full kit how much dollar
The motor I put in was the 48V and 10KW version.
Prices are online, in CDN on Golden Motor's website for Canada
goldenmotor.bike/product/48-volt-10kw-bldc-motor-liquid-cooled/
goldenmotor.bike/product/vector-500-series-48-volt-brushless-motor-controller/
I also spent about $400 in misc parts, cable ends, wire, aluminum etc.
What is top speed?
I haven't pushed it passed 5 knots but there is more engine available than I have used. I am not in the habit of over-revving engines. In a 52 knot storm I had to motor against it blown off anchor and was pushing 90 amps as opposed to my usual 20 amps. My max hull speed is 6.5 knots. I imagine that different props would make a significant difference as mine is a slim 2 blade prop. I'm looking for a 3 blade prop. Also adjusting the gear ratio (mine is 1.92 to 1) would use less power. The 10KW motor has significant torque performance over the 5kw version. My goal is to get to 4 knots using about 500 less RPM which would keep me at 20-22 amps draw. Right now I'm 3.2 knots at 22 amps.
Hey Hey. I'm in Toronto and considering doing the same to my Cheoy Lee Perry 35. Wondering if we can chat?
be glad to, how do I reach you?
@@TheNeds email me at williambuck23 gmail . If you're by the boat tomorrow I'm dropping my son off in Burlington, maybe could do a fly by?
will email you
Background noise not loud enough as I could actually decipher a few sentences, thank you.
im hopefully getting a little better but i hear you….
@@TheNeds 😂😂k then
How price
it really depends on a lot of factors, but you can find pricing online at goldenmotor.bike/product/48-volt-10kw-bldc-motor-liquid-cooled/ and the controller goldenmotor.bike/product/vector-500-series-48-volt-brushless-motor-controller/
Hello sir I am Vilas india I see your you tube video & I want this kit so help me how parches motor kit
best to you, I bought my kit from Golden Motor Canada, www.goldenmotor.ca reach out to them. I spoke with Muj there.
Kw to hp conversion is 1.3
So 10kw is 13hp mann
learned a new thing every day! thx!
@The Neds you might also want to learn that your numbers on a 20% efficiency gas engine or diesel engine for one is way off and has no bearing on the rated output most gasoline and diesel engines run much closer to 50% efficient but if an engine rated at 25 horsepower it puts out 25 horsepower it just burns more fuel to make that depending upon its efficiency but it still puts it out now a gasoline engine that's rated at 25 horsepower maximum can't run at 25 horsepower continuous but maybe 75% so you're going to be comparing a roughly 13 horsepower electric motor 2 maybe a 20 horsepower internal combustion engine not certain that that no no insult intended but that cheap electric motor is going to be able to put out a full 10 kilowatts continuously but even if it can I don't know that it's going to keep up and do the same job that your old motor did it may do a good enough job to make you happy but 25 horsepower internal combustion engine has a pretty good chance of keeping up or besting the 10 kilowatt DC motor hope it works out for you
missed your comment a while back. ‘cheap’ is relative. after solar, batteries, controllers and wiring i doubt there was much savings if anything might be more expensive. i will put a complete comparison as refurb Atomic 4 was put in i have a full invoice. it was $6700 USD for the rebuilt motor (not installed just the motor).
i think my comments still stand as if it was a brand new engine i agree that it probably has more efficiency. i didn’t have any facts here but it was the atomic 4 was a rebuilt 1967 tractor motor. I highly doubt it was efficient at all but i could get boat speed up to 6 knots with it. damn it was loud. at low rpm it didn’t move the boat at all compared to the 10kw electric.
in contrast i recently (accidentally) max throttled my electric motor and was speeding up past 6.5 knots before i realized it. its so much quieter. i run at less than 1kw to get 3 knots. so 10% throttle.
id have to be over 1200 RPM on the gas to get over 3 knots so 50%. that i believe is the differences in efficiency. i wish i had the foresight to record and graph the atomic 4 rpm/engine speed vs boat speed.
thx for the comments i think a good debate on electric vs combustion is full of opinions and loves just as much as facts.
thx for some details there. i think i have found similar real world results as i run my motor at 10% to move at 3 knots. i am still using the original prop.
i had to limit in the electric controller my max rpm to 2400 as i just keep caveating before the change. thx for the comments!
Just subscribed and liked. Looks like a topic I want to know more about. Please however ... The video is way too jerky ! Making me sea sick. Are you wearing the camera on your forehead ? Please ...
i agree trying to make them better. a new camera and wind mic too!
y 48v and not 72v
using in my sailboat, I wanted to use deep cycle golf cart batteries, 8 of them in series, and I don't have enough space for more. Also, I was thinking that the higher the voltage it can get dangerous and I felt that 48 volts was as high I felt comfortable with. But maybe that is just in my head and not reality. I did test touch across the phases and it does buzz....
Another perspective from those of us putting these in sail boats... Voltage. I have to get the volts coming out of my solar array higher than the voltage in the battery for the battery to charge. In my case that is 2 household pv panels, gets me to 60 volts, and I have run out of shade free room on my boat, and that is at high noon.