Adding An Ultra Capacitor To TarAmps MD8000.1 And Testing Voltage Drops.
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Will adding an ultra capacitor fix my voltage drops? Watch as I add the UC31 Ultracapacitor to my TarAmps MD8000.1 amplifier and test for Voltage Drops.
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0:00 Intro
1:48 Ultracapacitor vs AGM
5:40 Planning Capacitor Placement
6:22 Wiring: Knu Konceptz
9:30 Installing Capacitor
11:00 Activating Capacitor
17:35 5 Volt Input Testing
22:19 Voltage Drop Testing
28:50 Woofer Flex: Force 12S
29:40 2 Volt Input Testing
33:00 Headway Lithium Cells
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First time watcher and definitely a new subscriber. Great content, well executed display, walked us all through what you had going on and how to set it up correctly. Showed where all the test equipment goes and what numbers we’re looking for. Look forward to more of your videos. 💯
Thank you for educating on this I watch and learn right now I got a Stinger AGM up front and a Xs AGM in the rear running 2 JL w7s in 4th order custom enclosure JL 1200.1 and 300.4but I’m interested in the ultra cap and gonna put some change to the side and get one .Great info thanks for bringing this back I’m tuned in and will continue to support the channel and showing ❤️from Maryland.and I’m open to all feedback slam Nation
Ohhh I love it. I just bought one of these not long ago but haven't gotten to the system in my Total 3rd gen 4runner build. So this ultra cap is going to be running with 192 ah Lifepo4. Those batteries you picked up is what I've been using for years. Headway 38120's. You're going to shit on how much of a difference that's going to make. I built 3 of those that you have. If you get the right bus bars they fit perfectly in a empty 3100 battery box. But yeah, I have Alllllll this power for 10k watts at full tilt. I'mma have power for days and days and days!!! Frick yes!! 😁👍
The polymer is more unstable than lifepo4 big time. I'm stoked you got some bro. Itll compliment your ultracap. You bout to have stable voltage. I've learned when they're room temp they don't perform as well as when they're 90-100 deg. I've got 2-72ah banks now feeding a xs sb-630 farad ultracap, now my little 7-8k system doesn't stress a bit. Ive got 2-120mm fans, a temp controller in a stout box I built w/2 new and 2 poss coming from each bank n again, that shit is powerfull af brah... Stoked to see what you do with em man. Keep the good content comin. N you was right bout loving your next video
Good stuff bbh.thanks a ton for the time to produce HIGH QUALITY COMTENT..
You are so good at teaching you have tough me more in just 2 of your video then I have ever got from years of the other guy on UA-cam I have been a exo fan but I think you are a better teacher thank you thank you
Thanks for the support! 🤟
excellent teacher for understanding it and showing it . most no respect I probably would also go on rambling during the teaching and never go back it's a just do it type thing.
The cap is a good investment and also keep in mind if it’s in a vehicle with a alternator it would work even better
That power converter he has is basically an alternator. Would be equivalent to like a 160-180 amp alternator, his converter is a 120 amp, but doesn't have any vehicle related drains on it like the vehicles lights, gauges, computer, etc.
Can u run this battery under the hood
@@lifewithkeith310 it's best to run stuff like this directly beside of your amp. Less voltage drop on a short power run.
@Whatta u seem to know you're stuff with the answers u are given..so I have a 06 buick lucerne cxl and my battery is under my bck seats..I jus bought a xs xp1500 battery and put it in the trunk with my amps .So would I hook the ixous ultracapacitor to my main battery under the seat or can I hook it up to the xs xp1500 in the trunk with my amps??Thanks
@@lifewithkeith310 I know you asked this a long time ago but it has a mode where you can start your vehicle in an emergency.
Otherwise it's basically a high amp 2ah battery so it has "no capacity".. even though it's a capacitor lol
Super informative, thanks for the great vids!
A very smart man people need to pay attention and use your advice💯 👍 👍👍
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U ran the test I've been waiting for in order to decide to purchase this xspower super cap..🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘💯. Thanks
Grab it, I got the sb-630 little over half a yr ago. It's good to right where my voltage runs it says no more than 14.3 I'm running at 14.2. Xs power told me I'd get far more out of it since my voltage can fill the caps most the way. I now have 2- 72ah banks of headways feeding the sb630 AND a couple agms. My voltage is seriously solid. Even at a light thumping, ac and lights on I don't see less than 13.8. If you go that route you'll be happy
If you haven’t bought one, droppin hertz has b stock for $199 I just bought one a couple weeks ago. That’s 1/2 price! 😉
That cap is worth every penny. It can even jump a dead car, start a car by itself. It pays for itself. Awsome purchase. Hoping to get one myself just to help the electrical.
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fuck yes thats what i like to gear about a product i just bought. Going to be running parallel with Scib cells. Should be clean signal through out the bandwidth
Cake truck!! I want that to stop by my house!!! Hey lil Debbie why you don’t come by sometime!! 🤣.
10 years on that ultra cap 🤘🏽.
I need me one of them for my system in the making.
I am so glade you made this video cause I also bought that same cap and was in need of some educating and knowing wat to expect
Thank you sir and I will subscribe cause this was most educating
I like your content. Keep it up I've already learned a lot on your channel.
Awesome, thank you!
Better video than the people trying to sell them thank you
I definitely like these Types of test
When I woke up today, I never would have thought that I'd be learning about car stereos and capacitors from Paul Pierce.
For real though, thanks for the knowledge! Truth!
You're welcome
I thought u said have the ultracap closest to the starter ,then put the amp close to the cap???? In my car my lithium battery is in the trunk and my cap would have to be under my seat where the factory battery used to be and my amp in the middle of the lithhium battery and the cap. Is that ok? Cause i dont have no under the hood battery
I added a 240 alt.. kept stock battery.. Orion was killing my voltage.. added the cap and was very impressed.. I'm holding 13.5 and up.. usually 14.2/14.3 . Very impressed by this capacitor
Did you run the ultra cap? Would it help on my system my rpm drops an light flicker when subs hit
@@gaugeyoung8270 lick flicker will never be solved. Unless you're running an excessive amount of bank. Your best bet for fixing light flicker would be to get LEDs. This cap would help for voltage drop which is probably why you're looking into it
@@kevinmontoya7318 I don’t the big 3 upgrade an it solved it
Yo that knukoncepts wire is super dope, I use it myself
To best understand the reason for minimizing the power cable length between capacitor and the amplifier, it helps to understand 2 things. 1) that wires carrying current act like an inductor that impedes or resist changes in current, thus causes voltage drops during momentary peak demands from an amplifier. 2) The second thing to understand is that capacitor's capacitive reactance resist changes in voltage. Thus capacitors closest to the load helps to stabilize the voltage at the load. Points 1 and 2 together helps stabilise the voltage for the amplifier.
Infoknowledge thanks bro.
Legit! Thanks for the content. Subscribed
Welcome to the channel!
Thanks for sharing 😊
I have had all the Brazilian brands and the stetsom vulcan is the beast
The fwct you use wire ferrules instead of just shoving the bare wire into the worm nuts is awsome ❤
Thanks Steve!
Will one be good enough for the big boss 8. I heard I may need two but I don't have room for 2
Awesome video man. Glad to see someone put the Taramps to the test. Sharing these videos with friends. Educate. Peace bro
Kollosus Flex and Ferrules, I like you style man!
Voltage drop can also do harm to the tcm and ecm on your vehicle
Nicely done bro
loveeeee te videooo great content and very knowledgeable
When that piece from the ceiling fell I died laughing.
🤣🤣 watching just for that
Looking forward to the lithium vids!!
So question. In that set up.
If you Eliminated your AGM battery. and ran the power supply straight to the cap. you say the cap will not turn on unless it sees power. ok, so why don't? When you turn on your power supply right then and there. The battery will have voltage at the top, thus turning on?
Do it have to be in that order. I see how u got the agm in the front ????? My only lithium is in my trunk. I did a battery delete and i have no battery inside the car ot under the hood ,can i put the ultracap in front the taramps under the seat where my factory battery location is and have the amp in the middle and keep my lithium in the trunk ??????
Capacitors have the quickest discharge. So it is 'preferred' to put it closest to the amp. This way, it can take most of the demand (power-draw) and save your battery the hassle of doing it. But as long as you have it 'somewhere' in the chain, you will see benefits.
My main thing is I plan on running 2-3 in the back of car on 3 5ks. But I also have an ho alternator coming in the mail and a big 3 to do with 0 gauge running through the car. But you say keep as close to the power source, will there be a noticable difference? I plan on charging up to 16 volts.
so i just got a MD 5k.1 mono so what should we be okay with to power it without damaging the amp? please help
I been running lifep04 lithium for about 3 months now and its great. Only problem is trying to run it along with agm batteries. The lithium definitely needs to be isolated from the agm when the vehicle is off bc the lithium has a resting voltage of 13.2 and the agm is 12.8. The agm will drain the lithium if not isolated. I built my own battery and its been great tho. Plan to have all lithium and a bank of super caps very soon.
Lifepo4 can be ran with a agm. But lifepo4 works better without and voltage will rest higher
The power is there, please run a peak test with multiple tone bursts.
So im running the skar 150.4 and a cab45 on door sleakers and two vxf12s. I installed a brandx 320 ho alt and big 3 , running stock battery on engine. Do you think this ultra capacitor will help and be good for the power draw im probably never going to full tilt and never run my system with car off. What do you think. It was this or the xs power d3400
Hello I'd like to start out by saying I love your car audio videos I have one question about the ulra capacitor UC31 I have one AGM in the front and 1 AGM in the back doyou think I will get a better result by moving the AGM from the back and replacing it with uc31
hey I got a question for you I have 2018 ford f150 super crew cab I have on back Costin box subwoofer with 4 8" subwoofer have two amp one have 1200 In the other amp 2000 I need to put a capacitor So my lights from inside den flashing
Thank you so much for doing this test I've been on the fence about getting that ultra cap. How about you do a test with a lithium battery so we can see what it looks like. The thing that most people say about that amp when you need a huge battery Bank is because they want to run it with multiple subs. In that case yes you will need a little bit more
Lithium test coming in the next few vids 👌
Lithium will destroy the Ultra Cap.
@@BudgetBassHead ive got honda insight 5ah cells sitting 8n my house waiting to be made into ether 2 45ah or 1 90ah battery 😁
@@BudgetBassHead Hope you're safe and healthy. We haven't seen anything from lately. Sending my blessings
@@liftedcj7on44s Why?
If u buy this n use it right. U will not need a high output alt. It really depends on how big of a system u plan on goin. But if u hav a newer car that has a lot of sensors the ultra cap is the way to go. I have 1 in
Great video
Hello would you happen to know the 4-Digit pin to enter when pairing the battery to your phone mind refuses to pair
I have 2 of them caps they sell right now as B stock for 140. You can’t beat that.
Thanks for the vid. My system is over 20,000 watts RMS. So I got 2 of the 190ah agm batteries, 2 regular batteries, a 200 amp alternator, and now 2 of these ultracaps. Putting everything together rt. Now. Hope 2 of these together work well.
Sounds great!
How did it go
@@moneymac5214 great! Voltage does stay up. Can tell the ioxus do make a difference. Getting a stetsom 200Amp charger this week
@@Djmambo77 I heard they causes fires
Did you run these in parallel? Thinking of doing the same.. 350a Alt, 2 110ah agm’s running an 8k and a couple 4 channels
What video editing software do you use? I'm just finding your channel and loving it!
Whats da difference between the ultracap an ustart ultra cap if any an them headways are great
I'm having trouble connecting blue tooth with the ultra cap. How does it work. Do I down load a app
Yes. The uSTART app by Ioxus.inc. get it in the Google Play Store
@@BudgetBassHead thanks I got it. I don't see the purpose of it but I'm in. It's just tell me what my voltage looking like. I thought I could do more. What it is the purpose of the blue tooth???? I thought it would give me options to do things
Im running a bass 8k taramps with a 150 amp stock alternator agm battery up under the hood and 3 112 ah in the back right close to my amplifier? At full tilt 13.0 volts? But I never go full tilt because im daily driving so volume half way up 14 .2 volts that's all I need now competition different story
Just ordered my uc. What size post are your distribution blocks. M6?
Question..... Does the run light goes off after it charge,when the car is off?
Can it be ran with lithium? Was thinking of getting one to add, I have a 32 ah headway bank.
Those distribution blocks on the ultra caps, do you have to buy them separately?
Yes, they are Vgate brand. You can find them on Amazon. The ones he's using are about $38 a pair.
so, a way i was taught by an electrical engineer, look at it like a faucet, a bucket and a hole in the bucket. the alternator is the faucet, and the battery is a bucket and the amplifier is the hole in the bucket. the cap is just adding a second bucket the first one can fill faster, but its still at the original mercy of the alternator/faucet. if you bump your setup with 200 amps of draw, you'll only have a few minutes before the voltage drop will not recover due to the first bucket being drained.
So no fix on the box rise or impedence rise? After i seen yours it made me wunder so i started doing mine. I have two sa15d4 rev3 in a 2020 kia Optima special edition pushed by taramps 3k smart. I have wired at 4ohm final. The sound quality is beautiful but a ran my impedence and couldn't believe what i was seeing. Going to wire down to 1ohm hopefully help with that issue a little. There has to be a way to combatant the rise. Or buy an amp thats way more powerful than whats need to compensate. Id love to hear what youve learned. Awsome videos. O and the rifle is beautiful. Keep up the great work we appreciate all of your time you dedicate to us and all the great info.
Thanks for the support💯 1 ohm tuning makes all the difference with these amps. Hope it works out. Keep us posted👍
With box rise you definitely want to get a bigger amp like if your subs or 1krms a piece you buy a 3k amp be cause your going to rise atleast 2 to 3 ohms and that 3k at 2 ohms will be like 2k so your subs will get the power they need some would even suggest a 4 k amp for a 2krms situation.
Yes it is working in this scenario just fine but if the Impedance Rise was less (lets say 1.5-2 ohm) then the output power of the Amplifier would have been more which in turn would have caused the voltage to drop lower.
Yeah, thats why he is using such large amps, because his impedance rise is so large. Do you know how to change or manipulate the impedance rise? Maybe change the box design? Maybe get some subs that wire up 0.5 ohm resistive?
How can you even measure real time impedance without a $500 meter? Can a DMM measure it?
Get a sub with different ohms
@@JasonWW2000yessir you can monitor real-time impedance and wattage for $150
@@sf61092right a qual coil with coil1- 1ohm
coil2- 2 ohms
coil3- 3 ohms
coil4- 4 ohms
@@emilyhouse9642 I'm not aware that's possible. Can you give some more information? Thanks.
my damn ultra cap stays with the yellow light flashing. How do I make it solid?
I'd love to see this test using batteries that cost the same as the cap. Just for giggles and experimentation.
Did you ground the cap to chasie are neg on amp? Were all the negative run parallel?
Ground to chasie
I'm only running a 1500 watt amplifier and thinking about upgrading to 2500 but that will be it. 1x VXF 15.
Currently, I have a North Star AGM battery under the hood with 840 CCA. 1/0 awg skyhigh+ big 3.
My question is about adding a second battery in the back. I have been told I need another AGM and was going to just get another of the same and wire in parallel.
Now I wonder if I should be getting an ultra cap instead? The North Star battery is great.
Which power source would you put in the back of the car to supplement the North Star under the hood? How would you wire it?
I've been kind of stuck on this question for about a month now. I would like to solve it.
Edit: stock alternator btw.
First monitor your voltage. If you dip closer to 10 v then you will probably need another AGM battery. If your voltage dip closer to 12 v then an ultra capacitor will benefit you greatly.
And I like your videos cause I get into this stuff a lot been this way for years now and before I leave this Earth I want to build one bad setup for myself and car I'm building for my grandson for later on in life with a nice system in it and those five 6.5 sub you showed in that video I like that setup as well thanks 👍👍👍😁😁
Thanks for the support.
Love your videos! This helps a ton. Why double the wires to the cap? Power and ground. Necessary or overkill? Thanks
It was cheaper to buy another run of 4 gauge than zero gauge at the time. That has changed recently, though. All zero gauge in the car now.
Freaken awesome video
I mean damn I wish I had the equipment that u do cuz there is a lot that u can test for like ie some pro audio set up still use clam shell for subwoofers now does clam shell help move a recommended box spec more efficiently?
Idk things to think about
anyone know what size nut the terminals take? just got one bstock and came with no nuts
Its all worth it. Would a regulator help in order to control the voltage drop and stabilize the voltage flow? Good job bro!
No, a voltage regulator would pull more amps to maintain the voltage. That's basically what the amp is doing. It's trying to put out more voltage to the sub by drawing more amps. You need power to make power.
Can I run one of these with a agm under the hood and a D4S LTO 6 ???
Does the ultracap work when the engine is off?
I plan on running 2x 3k watt amps..one for bass and other for mids and highs… would just adding this cap be enough ? Or would I need a bank of lithium batteries? I also may have another amp but may only be 1k watts for 2 10” mids and horns …
Add that lithium
That ultra cap was designed for a totally different reason and they didn't work for the original design and the company had all these made and decided to use them for car audio applications.
I have md 5000.1 on 2 12” dc level 4s 1ohm final
I have lithium and an amg my resting voltage with lto is 13.2 when I go full tile it will dip to 12.7 -12.6 but over night I’m having an issue where my lto will drop below 12.6 the minimum voltage the amp need is this cause my alt is too small or that cold weather will always draw I wanna try keep my voltage at 14.2 my car sees 15.2 volts with big three done
13 v with test tone that's awesome people have to remember muis it a lot easier on everything cos alot more dynamic so the cap will have time to get a bit of charge time in between so Voltage drop will be alot less
Mechanics at auto shop cooked my agm battery now running with just the capactor It survived going to combine with headway build.
LOL, you need some non slip pads for under that box.....it was sliding...LOL Those amps a great
Just bought 2 for my 2 3k smarts taramps . They draw hella power and I have 3 batteries. Now I will have 5 batteries 4music 1 under hood plus 2 Caps. I shouldn’t see a drop just straight pounding 😊
I have 2 northstar batteries on a smart 3 thinking about gettin the smart 5 would u recommend a high output alt or super capacitor or both
Both
just put one in and its making my amp go into protect and back out rapidly, i test it on a bench and it doesnt do it, take it out and put a battery in its place and the amp stays on just fine whats up with thag
Do you have to charge these before installing
Also can u do a video with skar vxf 12 vs the CT sounds meso? Would love a video on that .keep u the Great work👍👍👍💯💯
Nice
Love ur videos but had to comment on the hands lol think u went a little crazy with them lol
Just wanted to add that SparkEd and Richard Vedvik also have some informative videos on Supercaps...Ultracaps... and how they work in conjunction with your existing batteries.
Yep Ed works for XS Power, who now owns this product. Thanks for the info!
@@BudgetBassHead he works @ or used to work for Showtime Electronics and now works at his own business at sparked Innovations and is a dealer for xs power
What cubic feet should our 2 vxf 12s have to slam harder
I believe recommended cubic foot is 2 to 2 1/2 cubic foot. So 4 cubes total after displacement
Hey I'm running 4 amps and they all don't add up to 8000 watt will this one ultra cap be good??
It can help supply extra power when the amperage draw surges. Basically helping to smooth things out. Usually these caps are added after you do the big 3 and upgrade the alternator. If voltage still dips a lot, a second battery might be needed. Its usually cheaper. Then if you still need more help you can get these ultra caps.
Will a deep cycle battery work
I have the Iioxus ultracapacitor uc-31 i have 3 batteries in my car 1st batteries is the car battery in trunk that nothing is connected to just the car power, I don't want to touch that...
2nd battery is in car with a 0 gauge wire from 250amp alternator to second battery than positive and negative parallel to 3rd battery both for sound system lights and tvs in car .my question is how would I connect the ultra capacitor to the battery's inside the car please help I've had the capacitor for 4 months and can't figure it out. Should I replace one of the batteries inside car with ultra capacitor or connect all 3 together if so how will I have to connect the together. Please help
Put it closest to your bass amp so + power wire from amp to + of the cap bank and then + of the cap bank to the + of the battery in the trunk then the - of the cap bank and the - of the amp ground to chasie
It's worth it
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Great informative video. I realize this is more of a test bench setup, but be careful running 4g to the MD 8k. I clamped over 8100w on mine and sucked up quite a bit of current ~700a :) I use dual 1/0 to 1/0 reducers since I use mine as a continuous daily instead of a burp SPL build. Just subscribed!
About to run eight 12s on a taramps bass 8k. I'm thinking about getting a limitless battery what do you suggest? Battery & alternator?
@@iceewhite autotech alt 320a and a good LTO bank, limitless is overpriced for no reason
@@215sinakia7 Their higher price is probably due to having higher overhead costs.
@@JasonWW2000 could be
@@JasonWW2000 or just paying for the name
So the impedance value will change based on frequency. As you go up or down the power output will change.
I would see what the impedance is at different frequencies without recording. Seeing where the current draw is.
This is a good video.. I also have that uStart cap.. and everything you said and showed in this video is 💯 truth.
I really enjoyed this video.
Thanks for tuning in👍
So the UC 31 is equal to 375 Farads?
Ok so just cause I'm still kinda lost.. with car audio in a car you want this closest to the amp or the starter?
Place it closest to the source demanding the most amp draw.
Can you run two of these capacitor banks in paralle with agm batteries?
Yes that's the way these were designed as starting batteries for transport trucks
@@BudgetBassHead Thank you my brother!
fun videos, thanks for putting this together. hopefully you saw this also, .... these caps from IOXUS may be under a recall and should NOT be used in cars....... so it's kind of a shame that multiple vendors are selling and marketing these caps for car audio installations when they should not be..... "The uSTART ultracapacitor module electronics can short circuit internally, causing the vehicle’s battery to fully discharge into the uSTART module, resulting in smoke or possibly a fire within the battery box." you should google ... IOXUS ustart ultracapacitor recall...
Phuck that sucks
The recall is several years old and is fully explained by the people selling them. It is listed right there on the Showtime Electronics page. Most know there is no real issue, but if your shy or just very concerned, don't buy one. Kinda like how nitrous can blow up an engine, but people still use it. Lol
💡You just proved everything you've been explaining!👍 Also a lot of people don't know this, but all those limitless cyber edition batteries have in them is 19ah's of lithium and 2 cell's of these caps in both the cyber 6k and the 12k😂👍
Wow. That's great info to know 👍
Well you dont know much about cells
@@KnowName33 Well please enlighten me with the knowledge you hold so i may learn😔
@@catherineharris4746 if it only had two cells in it then that would make it an 8 volt battery because it best you're only going to get 4.2 volts out of a lithium cell so it would need a minimum of 4 cells
@@KnowName33 you do know there is many different types of cells out there do you know the cells within the cybers?