Can TarAmps Hit The Lows? 10Hz Frequency Response Test | Stop Lying On TarAmps
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- Watch me test TarAmps MD8000.1 @10Hz Frequency Response. This amp does an amazing job. The rumors are not true; in regards to this particular amplifier.
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0:00 Intro
2:22 10Hz Testing
4:15 15Hz Testing
4:50 20Hz Testing
5:05 25Hz Testing
5:27 30Hz Testing
5:55 35Hz Box Frequency
7:33 Stop Lying On TarAmps
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I don't see the fan noise being really an issue. When the music is playing you don't even hear the fans
Yeah usually they turn on when they're getting hot from going heavy on the bass knob and volume lol. Definitely can't hear it when subs are bangin
funny thing is I owned a sundown full bridge , soundigital , taramps and they all play lows just fine maybe the issue is some ppl dont know how to tune there boxes or something .
They probably are trying to run an 8k amp on stock electrical then cry when it doesn’t work right
Lol that and running 4ga wire to an 8 k amp....
Will of Will-Bilt will help you with your build.
@@chrispeters1020 that’s the ones that complain when they have a fire
@nate0 I demo from 10hz - 75hz and let me tell ya a lot of these people in my town love the low low air movement.
Want to know why they hate on Taramps? Because their amp costs nearly 5x the amount.
Or are Boss rating fans and don't have the electrical to run actual 5k rms (equivalent to like a boss 30k?) nor can their 5000watt max!!! (200rms) subs take it so they blow the amps and talk shit......
wow great video! I was wanting to know this exact thing about this amp. Now I'm definitely going to buy it. Great break down on finding the frequency tuning of your box. Looking at buying the Smart 3 Taramps
Your gonna get so much views for this vid and the follow up 👏 👏
Put the amp on a dyno.
Give it a 1 ohm load not a sub in a box
Test at 10hz
Now test at 45hz
Now did you get the same power at both frequencies or did it give more to one more than another 🤔 that is a better test .
If you let me $5,000 for that dyno, I'll do the test. 😜 But seriously, my tests are for the average guys, to imitate real world setups. Big Dee Wiz has already proved the amp does rated power, I'm just trying to simplify a few things for the community.
Or use a term lab as emf audio is and already did the tarajunk show
@@christopherparis6841 Tarajunk? Why are you dissing them?
@@JasonWW2000 check out emf audio and the graphed frequency response. It dives significantly under 50 hz. On top of that Brazilian full bridge isn't nor can it improve functional demands. The Orion h cca is where it's at for value power output and crossover adjustment. The Orion has custom gots in it
@@christopherparis6841 It is hard to figure out if EMF is purposely measuring incorrectly in an effort to decieve or if he genuinely doesn't know how to measure. First of all, it should be known that a DMM does not measure peak to peak voltage of a sinewave. It measures an average. For instance, US households have 120v AC 60Hz sinewave from the outlets. This is what you see with a DMM. If you measure with an oscilloscope you will see that its 170v peak to peak. Surely EMF owns an oscilloscope, even a cheap $150 one. Secondly, he is not even loading down the amps with a resistive load. This obviously effects their output. He could surely afford $150 for 4 x 4ohm 1000 watt dummy loads to create a 1 ohm resistive load.
Third, in your opinion, is he performing an unbiased test to help people understand and educate them or is it more a marketing thing to promote the amps he sells and just coincidently happens to use in the video while at the same time trying to dissuade users from buying one of the most popular sub amps on the market?
You have to think about all these factors.
Personally, I'm wondering if he found a quirk between the way a full bridge and a half bridge amp outputs rms voltage when no load is attached and chose to exploit that. I don't want to think of EMF as being deceptive, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he just doesn't know what he's doing.
Bravo! Something tells me we are going to hear a lot of yeah- buts 😁 EMF crew... Unite!
hahahaha...what? you don't trust someone comparing amps and saying their chinese amp is the obvious winner? his amp matched his piss poor oscope
Lol EMF that guy is so annoying, the dude acts like he knows everything & hates on so many people who've contributed great things to car audio. For instance I watched a vid where he was hating on both Steve Meade & D'Amor. LOL I think he is jealous of what both SMD & Tony have contributed to car audio enthusiasts & bassheads!!
My advice would be for people, especially those who are new to car audio to just stay away from EMF, EMF products & the owner as he is just poison! Go learn from those who do not constantly spread negativity & lies about others.
@@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 but that was his plan the whole time!
So he says
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 lol 😆 I know exactly what you're saying... Bruh, seriously the all the trouble & effort dude went through just to attempt to make it look like he was trolling Meade or as if he knew beforehand how Meade was gonna respond... Like wtf, he made vids to look like they were made beforehand in which he would post later...? Anyone who fell for that scam was a real suckafish!
Hmm, which one do I wanna buy... A emf sub that the owner does not even keep an inventory or stock of? Or a badass SMD distro block & D'Amore amp? Myself I'm picking SMD & D'Amore for the win each & every time. Every SMD product I've seen is excellent. A lil pricey yes but I'd rather pay a lil more for a good product than buy something that's straight junk & breaks during install. I get it some ppl are on a budget or don't have the $ and I'm not bashing them. I respect all those who act in a proper fashion BUT at the same time there is no need for anyone to bash good brands who make legit products just because the price aligns with the quality & performance.
Each idiot bitched about emf yet each watched his shit obviously so whos the real idiot????
I have a Taramps MD5k & I love it! I love Taramps! They are great amps, and they have great service as well.
Awesome demo! I'm actually finishing up a box I'm building for that same toro force 12s tuned to 36hz on a deaf bonce 3k
It will handle it just fine!
hello thx. what ive noticed on the taramps is that sound quality is more of an issue but they are solid and loud
I love Taramps, running the MD8k myself. It can hit the lows, however, it does not supply as much power on the lows as some of the good Korean boards. I don’t say this as something I’ve heard, I say this as something I have personally experienced. However at the end of the day I chose Taramps based on value per dollar. They are hard to beat.
How did you confirm that? Just curious- a sound engineer told me the same power at 20 hz will be much less loud than the exact same power at 40 hz. Apparently, it takes more energy to produce the same db as you go lower- and every halving of a Hz is an entire octave, so the lower you get the faster that phenomenon becomes apparent.
@@Frindleeguy Exactly, what the engineer told you is correct.And I’m telling you the Taramps MD 8k isn’t as loud @28hz as my Wolfram articwolf 5k was. Same car, same subs, same box, same batteries, only variable being changed was the amp. I metered on my mini spl lab meter. With the artic wolf I was doing 151.8 @28hz and with my Taramps md8k I’m doing a 151.1!@28hz. Is it enough for me to care?No.Is it enough for most people to hear? No. Just saying as soon as I hooked it up and tuned I could hear the difference. This is a pretty well known characteristic of the Taramps. The Taramps however was louder everywhere above about 31hz.
@@nathanwood1567 there’s no way you heard a .7 db difference
@@tcblackg35 you can hear the difference man, maybe I’m not hearing the .7 but you can hear a drastic difference on the frequencies. The Koreans are much more powerful on the lows. Overall the Korean just sounded louder to me and I still have my 8k. I like Taramps I’m not knocking them but they don’t hit the lows like a good Korean and that’s a fact. So call it what you want but I 100% hear the difference
@@nathanwood1567 if you were to eq say 25hz up 2-3 dbs I wonder if the lows would sound the same on the taramps
I love my MD it never failes to impress
I agree bro I have had the md 8k and the smart 3k and all I listen to is decaf rebassed music and taramps gets as low as you want it to. It's really a tank as long as you don't abuse it. I agree 100% with you alot of people sh*t on them for no reason just because they clip the life out of them and they caught fire now the whole company is trash. In 95% cases it's almost always user error
That and I think some still think their half bridge Koreans with 15 yr old boards are still the only way to go
@@beardedforlife3740 right.. for the price and the power your getting im a firm believer in taramps. I never had a issue with any one I have had. Besides the loud fans but in my opinion that just let's me know its doing what it's supposed to do🤷🏾♂️
@@BassAddict91 I've had the md1800.1 and currently the smart3 and have had zero issues with either of them myself. I also under that taramps builds them to run almost at the limit and setup my amps properly. Get the right song playing and I might see a soft clip and my voltage never drops below 13v. I don't have much issue with the fan noise consider I can't hear them when I have music playing
How's that sdfb amp u got. I heard they blow alot
@@Only1Shogun6 mines been doing great bro no complaints
Now you know that 88% of people that talks trash on the internet about products have never used them nor have they owned them😂 Most are just followers of he say she say😔
Bingo. I've had two different taramps and never had an issue with either of them. I also wire and tune them properly too
I have both presently running in different setups! I failed to mention that the question to this guy was a fair comparison in his opinion because I noticed he doesn't run a DSP. He's had no DSP in none of his setups. I a lot of claims about full bridge amps as well as half bridge, but in a fair comparison without any external units the half bridge does perform significantly better on the lows.
@@Mr.NpK143 Half bridge nor Full bridge have a lick to do with it. The fact it is full range also has nothing to do with it, but at least saying that gets you in the same area of the amp. It is all in the preamp circuit, and the fair comparison would be to use a DSP on both. All a full bridge is, is 2 amps strapped and sharing the same power supply section. What you said is my single amp per sub hit the lows better than when I strapped them. For the price difference buy 6 DSPs.
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 that dosen't make any cents! Literally you can't buy anything with that comment! First off if both designs can be fairly compared with a dsp wouldn't it also be a fair comparison without 🤔? Probably more so without then with due to the fact a dsp is an addition that doesn't come with either amp! As for the amps differences not only is that subject to just the full bridge design being un strappable! Surely you've noticed all no full bridge design amp has a lpf of 35hz like half bridge designs. My question is why, and is that not a difference 🤔? Explain that! Either you, anyone else, or most certainly the guy who channel this is. Explain why full bridge designs don't come with bass knobs 🤔! In fact these two designs may have more differences than meets the eye, but they'll never be noticed unless a shade tree engineer like barevid or this guy points them out on UA-cam. Bits and pieces of misinformation not thoroughly researched is what followers understand! Give a dog and he'll find his way home. So trying to reason why one is better then the other. That is opinionated, but what's not are the facts. In some applications maybe the half bridge is better 🤔, and in others maybe not. But we'll never know this depending on others to bring forth an answer to our question without putting work in ourselves.
@c20 np143 no because the difference is in the preamp circuit and "Brazilian" amps are manufactured to meet their music scene there really is no straight comparison as they are 2 different amps, created in 2 different parts of the world, designed for 2 different music cultures.
Taramps Bass has lower than 35hz. There is full bridge amps with bass knobs.
There is amps that do have built in DSPs and i get that yours do not. What are the 2 amps you have? What drivers and whats tunning at?
Full bridge is strapped inside the amplifier as i had previously said.
You are summing full bridge in with "Brazilian", The Brazilian manufacturers did not come up with full bridge topology. Again all that is in the preamp section so run a DSP and get a RCA "bass knob" and all your questions will be resolved. There's your answers and solutions.
It all depends on more than just the amp.
What's better is what one performs the task at what you are trying to achieve, What fits your budget, what fits physically into the allowed area.
What did you use to measure your HZ ? An application? Thanks for the valuable information.
Another awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it
Wow now I can check my box 📦, good looking out
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Question: I don't here a difference in sound when I adjust the filter on my Taramp 3k. Usually there is a flattening or something. When I adjust I hear no change. Sounds great either way. But I found it interesting.
Love your videos man! That AR-15 though!! LOL. Is a gun channel next? “Budget gun head”.
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I'm about to buy md 8000.1 and I'm thinking a lot about it, but after watching your few videos you convinced me to buy it 😆😅 but I'm still thinking about whether to buy taramps bass knob or taramps eq bass😮
Thanks for the Box tuning lesson. Yeah.
Any time!👍
Taramps 8k 1 ohm model combined with( Banda) expertX connect processor,mechman alternator, Lithium bank headway woke this beast of a amp up. Tunining is mission critical now. Higher clipping point. Its more efficient. Simple outstanding power and sound. Proper Tuning is a must.
One thing about car audio man I always say don’t knock a product or a brand till you try it… some people will have 1 bad experience with a product which is 9 times out of 10 because of user error and immediately label a product as trash 😂🤦🏽♂️ so don’t be afraid to give different products a try “TRIAL and ERROR” is how you learn anything in car audio 🤷🏽♂️
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What app is that you are using on your tablet?
Ive had both sfb and taramps,and now i have a korean and i was amazed at sound quality difference in the korean and the brazilians i had.sure they are great for the money but to me they are lacking down low.
Is the differences your hearing in the amp or in the preamp circuits? Don't use those circuits. Turn them off and use a dsp or active crossover instead. Then you will hear just the amp and they should sound the same.
Most full bridge amps suffer from crappy crossovers. Barevids addressed that in his videos. Which is why he said to run a dsp when running a full bridge amp.
I already have a DSP. That's coming soon👍
@@BudgetBassHead I had to adjust the crossover settings on my head unit when I had a Sundown SFB-5000. There was a lot of vocal coming through the amp. It helped somewhat, but I would rather have used a dsp.
In my opinion. A DSP should be used anyway. Easier to set your crossovers and they generally allow you to change the slope of each crossover
Full bridge is just 2 class D amps strapped in the same case on the same power supply. Full Range is all in the preamp section, Thank you for this video.. Unfortunately they wont listen.... lol Then on the flipside they continually say they hear vocals through their sub...................... I don't know about you but personally I have speakers in my car too, How do they even know and find that out I'm not rolling around with just a sub...How about you? If anyone reads this have this gripe, 1st Turn the pots all the way CCW, 2nd install mids and highs and lastly,3rd, high frequencies wont hurt your sub IF that were the case. As long as it plays the sub frequencies and moves to cool, the higher hz do nothing!
thank you for this video im in the same boat as you on this info
You're very welcome
I had a massive audio sq 10" that was 600rms and that thing hit the lows so good, better and deeper than cheap 12s and 15s even on the same power or more.
How does the HD series compare to the MD series.
Can we start doing amps now please can you please explain to us the difference between a full range and a class d mono block
Imagine if the port was tuned to 10hz. It would rumble.
I only use 10hz for the back massage in ol blue. I usually don't play below 14hz on heavy bass. It should go without saying when playing that low on a Brazilian amp it takes absolutely massive amounts of power to keep it even close to rms. I've seen 650 amp plus at full volume. Highest I've seen thus far was 674 amps at 15hz. So It goes without saying that if you run this much power you need to supply it. I only have 2 370 amp alts and 6 ultracaps. So far though been holding pretty well. Besides the 8k Brazilian I also have 2 Brazilian 3ks and 2 kicker 400.4 for mids and highs.
Can it do 8000 watts @ 10 hz, I know that sub in that box won’t handle more than 1000 watts in that box with out tearing it self apart , I think they meant it won’t do rated power @ 10 hz
we just picked up the bass 3k and the400x4 for mids and highs
Nice buggy sitting in the background I have a hard box question for you so let's break it down so the box is for 2 drivers one driver is in 4th order the other is in 6th order the large chamber shares the back side of both drivers the small side only sees the front of one driver can you please explain this to me I would like it try it out for my myself just looking for something different I have larg space for for a large box but D you explain how it all works very well thanks (only if you have time for something like this)I can read up on it but your explain things so well
Post a vid of the plan drawn. I can't visualize it the way you explained. Sorry.
Yes it does lows but the high frequency is at least 18db louder
That depends on your enclosures tuning
No, if he just put a volt meter on the output without a load and ran 60hz into it and recorded the voltage, then ran 10hz into it, the voltage would be less than half
@@minus3dbintheteens60 If that was the case, then it would be because the crossover is adjusted wrong due to the numbers being off and shallow slopes. If you set the high pass/subsonic to 20Hz it will definitely reduce output at 30Hz. Set all that flat and use a dsp or active crossover.
Haters gonna hate. Always gonna be trolls. I don't even have taramps but from what I've seen and read, I see nothing wrong with them.
My MD 5k does everything perfectly except for playing frequencies above 55hz.
i run a taramp 12k on 3 wolfram 12s 2000rms per sub and it drops lows only thing i dont like about the amp is the alen screws for the power wires on the amp wish they were longer but u can get longer screws great video tho
Facts: the only reason I don't mess with Taramps now, is because of their shitty customer service on returning a warrantied amp
I have the HD2000 and i love it
Someone who knows absolutely Jack about car audio or anyting started the rumor that it can't do it you know how the audio game goes people run their mouths when they see other people with certain stuff and they knock it because it's not what they have like always keep up the awesome videos
Amplifier end of the frequesncy bandwidth is the frequency at which, as impedence that stays the same, is the freq at which is the 3db downpoint of power.output.
Same idea as speaker frequency downpoint. A mid range speaker can that has a 200hz to 5khz bandwidth, will play above and below those frequencies. Just not well or efficently, playing lower may damage the speaker.
@Dee check out Hayden Price he runs Taramps at 16-20Hz.
I have a taramp 400.4 for a year and never had a problem
Like to start by saying love watching your audio videos I do have a question I have two skar vxf 15 in subwoofer in a 10-cube box tuned at 33 Hertz and pushing them is a RP 3500 I have two Platinum EverStart Walmart batteries 710 cranking amps 70 amp hours two 1 gauge wire going to the back this feed the other battery should I buy one more batter like that or just switch and get a better battery in the back but not the lithium LOL budget build and I only have the factory alternator it is extremely hard to change it but I really want to go md8000 .1 do you think I can do that without changing my alternator I really don't play my music very long at all any suggestion please help
Hopefully those are AGM batteries you putting in your trunk. I understand that you are on a budget but if you think about how many batteries you're buying a high output alternator could have compensated for all of that for less the cost.
@@BudgetBassHead thanks so much for the quick response yes both of the battery is AGM I was wondering would a XS battery in the back will it be better then the Walmart AGM if so which one will u think will be better. Or it would not matter unless I change my alternator
@@staceybrown1783 In electronics, you will learn that there is always a trade-off in the equation. Your alternator was only designed to perform at a specific level. keep in mind that your alternator is having to charge all those batteries.
You need to hook up a voltmeter in parallel with your subwoofers so you can measure you voltage drop. An alternator and a good battery, like XS Power, are going to be around same price so i'd go with an alternator next but you need know what your voltage looks like under heavy bass. That's how I determine how far I need to take my electrical upgrades. You didn't mention doing the big 3 which is a requirement at that much power but nobody can give you a perfect answer. You just need to look at your voltage. If it's dropping below 12 volts while the engine is on under heavy bass for sure you need to upgrade something. When I play a 40 hz test tone at full volume right before clipping I might see 13.2v on my voltage meter. I'm okay with that. With music, the lowest it drops is from 14.4v to maybe 13.7volts.
You need an alternator. First thing you should have done besides big 3/4.
if it moves at all that means it works? what's the power while it's moving like that. I bet it ain't 3K.at 10hz
It's a possibility there's a few that just don't live up to it's potential. I have a taramps smart 3 and it gets loud but it doesn't hit the lows like my hifonics alpha 3000 and the hifonics isn't even pushing a true 3000 watts..... nowhere near it. But for some odd reason the hifonics shakes the car on 20hz better than the taramps and fills your eardrums up with bass. It's not hate. Some of these amps just don't do what yours just did. I'm getting the md8000 next week and see if it performs better. I'm pushing 4 Skar DDX 12's in a Maxima.
With my JVCxx I could hear the ten hz when you just turn it on.
I just shared this video with Daymian Taylor
The manual states it’s 3db down at 10hz and 10khz.
So a better test would likely have been a resistive load and monitor the output voltage from the amp during a sweep , or up the scale at frequency increments. So we can actually see how much quieter it played at its lowest and highest capable frequencies.
Down 3db is a lot , but it’s not “won’t play 10hz”
Taramps Midrange test please
I’m have no clue if what “the people” claim is true, but the point is that the output at those low frequencies are lower than for example 50hz. Like for example, a subwoofer amp set to 80hz LPF will still move a speaker with a 130hz test tone. Frequency response generally means the flat area. So like using an electrical RTA would show the frequency response.
Example www.stereophile.com/images/archivesart/109Nuffig01.jpg
I hear the 10hz on my 🎧.
SOLD bro.
I may get a taramps soon but my x8 I don't wanna go over 1600 watts, I don't know if they make a amp with that much power
Most Amps do 10hz M Boss Elite 2500 go down to 9hz.
The problem is no sub can hit 10hz the only sound you will hear is the subwoofer moving
I got the taramps 3000 hd for subs and 2000x4 for mids. My mids are Prv And for my subs sundown audio sa12. Im i will not change my amps. I use them daily drive and have 0 issiue and hitting hard with no distortion. And have them since 2018
Do you have crossovers or epicenter
Wow, thats impressive 👍
Crossover
I been using Taramps since 2014 no regrets
All amps will play all frequencies. All an amp is, is an amplification of the signal it receives. I have two JL 1200/1v3 and it says it's response is 5hz and up, but I can still play 1hz. I have a JBL Crown BPx2200.1, and it plays 1hz. My factory speakers play 1hz. People take the specs literal, but don't understand it's a market thing, and all that matters is the build quality of the equipment. Tuning is what gets you what you want to hear. What I will say is, Taramps isn't the best equipment for bass at all, and is generic. In Brazil, they don't play the lows and hard decaf bass remixes like we listen to, so they don't care much about 10hz, or 5hz. Taramps design is based around PA style setups. So I understand the misconception. It's cheap, but a lot of power, and needs specifics for it to function properly for what most of us want. Taramps design is pushed to its limit with its components which is why they don't last long under stress. About 80-90 percent of amps are all the same, but with different components, except JL, Rockford, JbL, Alpine, MTX, and a few others. Companies like the ones I named are designed in house and, or outsourced built, and to their specifications for our world and audio scene. Which is why you don't see Sundown in Europe, or JL in Europe, and if you do, it was expensive as heck.Thats what I will say, but for the cost, it's worth it, with the correct install, will get you good numbers, and you will be happy with a Taramps purchase.
Well spoken👍
@@BudgetBassHead Thank you. I hope my comment helps with this subject, as well as helps you in the future. Keep the Bass world alive!!!
@@mikehonda7934
Sorry, I got pulled back to this video because of a separate conversation, and ended up seeing your comment, and felt the need to make some clarifications, since you're obviously misguided about some things...
1) "All amps will play all frequencies".
Untrue, and by a mile. Many amps on the market are designed specifically to play only frequencies consisting of "mid-bass" and below. I could go on, but I already have my work cut out for me enough as is without needing to continue this statement...
2) "All an amp is, is an amplification of the signal it receives."
True, as long as you discount the fact that it's also both a filter and modifier of the signal it receives.
3) "it's response is 5hz and up, but I can still play 1hz... People take the specs literal, but don't understand..."
Odd you should say such a thing, as apparently you don't understand how "response" works, in both terms of input and output, and how they pertain to a company listing "Frequency Response". Ever seen a visual bar diagram of how a speaker's response is shown in dbs vs frequency? Ever notice how it often times looks like a upside-down bowl? Where the speaker starts to roll off playing efficiently or loud (on either end of the spectrum), that's where speakers are labeled for their "Frequency Response", not actually stating the only frequencies they'll play. Just play well. Big difference between "can" and "does well". Which is why you'll still hear 1hz out of something listed as "5hz and up". There isn't a speaker rolloff (or for that matter, crossover) that's drastic enough in existence that's going to nullify frequencies that are literally 4 hertz apart.
4) "My factory speakers play 1hz".
You just going to blatantly (or ignorantly) lie like that? No, they don't. Factory speakers in 97% of vehicles are generically made to save on cost, and even if your "stock system" came with an upgraded sound system, they're not going to play the lowest frequency there is. Now, if you were talking about 1khz, better known as 1000hz, you could (for the first time this conversation) be right, but even if that's the case, it's literally entering the range of frequencies that covers things such as vocals, so while your speakers would be right at home playing 1khz, you certainly wouldn't want your bass amp playing it, even if they're "capable" of doing so.
Thank everything that's holy in this world that you ended strong enough to not warrant continuing this breakdown retort, but damn if those first 6 sentences weren't taxing enough as literal nonsense. Sheesh.
@@RAW_Reality thanks for your response. Be nice if you wasn’t disrespectful when replying. Have you ever played 1hz on a loud speaker? Ever notice that it moves when you play 1hz? I’m not that smart, but if anyone out there would give it a shot, should be you. I’ve done it myself. Every amp is different, and designed different, and processes signal different. Doesn’t mean the amp or device producing the sound is incapable of doing it. As for my car, I have a processor in my car, as well as an amplifier on my factory premium speakers. The doors are Harmon designed as bass to midrange, and the dash is 1khz and up. Hopefully that clears up the doors situation. Seems you have some knowledge, but your disrespect is not needed. Thank you for increasing some knowledge on the subject.
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Please understand that my intent was not to be disrespectful, but I am an inherently blunt person, and that usually is seen to be brash or harsh. While I understand why it's interpreted that way, please don't confuse my intent as though it had malice. I simply resist pandering or tolerance when it comes to something that's blatantly wrong. In a way, that's the same as you calling me out "for being disrespectful".
For clarification, I've played subwoofers as low as 0.3hz, so I'm in full understanding of what certain speakers are capable of, but that's the optimal word: "certain". But in no stretch of the imagination is "every speaker/amp is capable of doing so" even close to true. Additionally, it would almost certainly have to be a subwoofer to do it, as most door speakers would blow attempting infrasonic frequencies unless the volume was incredibly low, which would then reduce any chance of it being something you could visually see as the wattage given to the speaker would be so low it'd not "drive" the speaker, even if theoretically it could understand a frequency that low.
But thank you for the clarification. There's a broad difference between playing 1hz and 1khz... Amongst other things, 1khz can be heard.
Apologies if any offense was taken.
It's range isn't as much of an issue as the variation in output by frequency. Lower freqs have less impedance rise which will not give an accurate representation of am amps freq response.
Idk about all that my smart3 has no problem play down in the 20s and it doesn't sound bad
People don't realize they need to use a separate crossover...thanks for bringing light to full bridge. It's just that some companies... who shall not be named... are trying to sell their own amps
@@steveharley2021 not to mention having a good enclosure. A good dsp will make any amp sound good just like a great enclosure will make a sub sound great regardless of how much is cost
I guess I'll step up to the plate. My question was how did it compare to half bridge amps on the lows? Not to question if whether or not it can play the frequencies.
I guess you can spend the $ and buy an 8000 watt korean amp and tell us how much better it is. www.down4soundshop.com/crescendo-audio-bassclef-8k/
www.woofersetc.com/c-3-amplifiers/c-27-one-channel/salt-series-8-8000d-sundown-audio-monoblock-8000w-rms-amplifier-d-class.html
The DC audio 9k is only $2400 so the above amp is a really good buy
Barevids has the answer. Basicly a good amp is a good amp, buy you get the facts in his video here: ua-cam.com/video/b6tyjXSHvGg/v-deo.html
@60 Is A Slide Show you said it will play deeper.. ok how much deeper than 10 hz?
@60 Is A Slide Show so my question is can you or the average person even tell the difference in the quality at subwoofer frequencies
also check out hayden price, running 4 american bass hd 15s with 2 md 12ks tuned to 24 playing 15hz floating shit around in his car ;)
Sound quality is different but all the amps work doesn't matter full bridge half bridge is how you tune it
Comon issue with Brazilian amps isnt the lack of frequency, its the fact that they clipat certain high frequencies
@3:35 i can hear it on my smart 3's in my house setup lol 10hz fo life
Love my Taramps and i can't hear the fans when I'm bumpin🔊
Fans just prolong your future 💥 bang good luck bro
@@chux11379 you clearly don't know what you are talking about
Nice just got my bass 8k n 2 rs plat 15s buttttt whats up with the car on top the box👀
That my Arrma Kraton 6S 😉
@@BudgetBassHead i dig it ive thought about doing a wheel setup like that to an erevo
It's a Good amp but the sound quality isn't as good as a good big Korean amp. From my experience when I had a MD 12k on my wall
people hate taramps because they were told its no good by people that dont know how amplifier input and output works.. you cannot abuse this amp but you can sbsolutely run it for years cranked if you know what you are doing with it
The lowest Ive played my md8k 2ohm, is 15hz. My subs (EVL-18s) don't like it though. I play, daily, 19Hz, with no problem.
Wow, that's really low tuning. 🤟
People complain about the lpf being 90 hz and up. You have to use DSP to set lot lower for sub. Don't wanna use hu LPF and amp lpf at same time. Cause phasing issues on certain songs.
My amps have the frequencies I need built in, as does the head unit. I still run an external DSP instead of using the built in options.
Edit: Didn’t finish my sentence before sending.
What I’ve been told (and not understood) it that the bass from a full bridge amp sounds hollow and not musical. Personally I think it’s a load of crap and if the price stays where it is my next amp will be a Taramp
The Taramps MD Amps and the taramps Bass are made for good bass and the taramps 3k hd are more for mids or mids bass you will not get good low bass from them.
He is trying to prove you wrong. An amp should just amplify whatever signal you feed it. My guess is people adjust the built in crossovers wrong and reduce their low frequencies by accident. The numbers printed on the crossover is not accurate. Bypass all that and use a dsp or active crossover. Then is will play all the lows very strongly.
Yea I have two Smart 3k and a Bass 5k and I love them I have ran them into protect lots of time from over heating them and low voltage not paying attention to my dash and always came right back on, last week it was so hot it went into protect 4 times in row it was so hot you could not touch it! still going strong hear is a video from Bervids talking about sound quality of full bridge amps. ua-cam.com/video/b6tyjXSHvGg/v-deo.html
I have an MD 8k, an MD 5k, and 2 hd 3ks, and they all drop lower than I need for my daily drivers, and they all sound good
Taramps aren't strappable because they are already strapped within the build design
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i think you are wrong... what people talk about this amps, is that the LPF starts at around 90hz... you cant crossover lower than that!!! if you wnat to crossover it to 50 or 60, you cant... yes you can hear 10 20 30 40 50... but if you wanna cut at 70 80, you cant...
they're not horrible amps... just most people dont have the power or power capacity to run them.. so therefore they say its crap.. because they cant use it for what its meant for..
they're awesome amps... long as you have to power and power capacity to run them..
I play down into the teens, #20HzTim yo!
I like the stick that's sitting next to the subwoofer 👍😎👍
Back to the topic... awesome video. I'm glad that you educated the haters...
And if any of the haters still can't get over their issue, they should go old-school & grab an epicenter; problem solved.
Nuffsaid.
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The Md it’s not for bass that for highs
Brazilian apps they’re not meant to play base
Hopefully the emf guy will see this. They treated me like the dumbest man in car audio because I run taramps instead of spending $800 on a dam 2k that's the biggest bunch of Car audio snobs I ever talked to
My problem with Taramps and I own 9 from the 250x4 to the smart 5k is that they are not efficient. Meaning they require a lot of amperage draw to "higher quality amps". Ok take note I was running 2000 watt sae and seen no difference in my car at all. I swapped for a 3000hd by taramps set it to 2000rms and I needed 2 Xs power d5100 to keep up with the diff in amperage draw. Efficiency is king!!! Not hating on taramps they're good but not for beginners with stock electrical. If ur gunna run stock then be prepared to spend big money on sundown ha audio Rockford or kicker cus efficient car audio is very expensive... they know they are saving u batteries and alternators and extra wires which gets very expansive! So what u wanna do spend extra 500-1000 on ur Amps and subs or spend 1000-3000 in batteries and alternators? No one tells u that!!! That's the biggest lie in car audio is Efficient equipment "take small power and make big boom". That's the point somehow it was lost
Uhhhh have you seen big ds test on the smart 3? 90%+ efficient at 4 ohms
@@tcblackg35 who's running 4ohms lmao they're garbage unless u got plenty electricity
@@f4i-king454 that’s just an example. 1-2 ohms at least 79% efficient. Of course you need upgraded electrical youre pushing 3000+ watts
Thats not a lie at all.
The Taramp is HD8000 can absolutely put out 10hz ... Any amp can reproduce 10hz because an amplifier, a.m.p.l.i.f.i.e.s the frequencies sent through it, but the quality and the efficiency is in question...
The components of the HD differs from the components to the BASS 8000k.
The Taramp BASS 8K amplifier is far more equip for sub frequencies than the HD, doesn't mean the HD is not gonna do the job, I must say that the craftsman ship of the Taramps are pretty poor and they are prone to self destruct under certain conditions where most other amp would power through, but the Brazilian car audio scene differs from the american audio scene where American is all about the loud low to sub low frequencies, Brazil is about the sound projection, emphasis on the mid bass, mild and high frequencies 500hz all the way to 10khz accompanied by 40-80hz bass tones
Most people aren't even going to play down that far so what does it really matter? I've had two different taramps and both played low and had zero issues. Reliability doesn't mean shit if people don't understand and wire their equipment properly
Why bring up the old HD series when this video is about the MD series? 2 different amps from 2 different eras.
@@Widowmaker2828 Similar components, on the very same board, but out of all the amplifiers out there the Taramps and the Stetsoms are the best wattage per dollar ratio on the market. But the amps do come with inherit flaws.
@@shebaadc Any inherent flaws on the MD series can be easily and inexpensively mitigated. I can't speak for the outdated HD series. I don't think too many people buy them now that all the updated amps have been released.
thinking taramps is good really make me discreit on what people think sq is.
To each his own. Lets use knowledge to build each other up. It's called constructive criticism. Don't destruct someone because their build isn't YOUR dream build.
@@BudgetBassHead Just trying to make sure people don't make mistakes. Taramps was cheap enough to risk trying out but after about 5 to 7 songs ot was removed and sold. If it's too good to be true it probably isn't
Still has a super low s/n ratio and much higher distortion than I care to own
Thats not as important for sub 80Hz. Are you using it for mids and highs? Then it might make a tiny difference, but hard to tell.
@@JasonWW2000 I can hear the difference on the low end also
@@Juggernaut-fg2up Can you please explain what your hearing?
@@JasonWW2000 muddiness, not as sharp of an edge on the notes, a coloring of the sound. 1% distortion is a lot even on low end. S/n of 80 is super low. Who knows what the damping factor or slew rate is on these newer amps but add that all up and it is very noticeable imo
@@Juggernaut-fg2up What model amp are you using?
I've not heard any negatives about sound quality on their newer models like the Smart series and HD series. I know the MD's are an older design so they might not be a as good as the newer ones. I'd need to check out the detailed specs on all the different series.
Who the hell told you that? I swear, people just repeat everything that they hear. If you search "The problem with full bridge amplifiers" you'll see a video there that shows what can actually happen to the output at lower bass frequencies with some of these Brazilian Full Bridge designs. The MD Series definitely can play down to 10hz, but the Bass Series may just do it a lot better.
The probably with that is who did the video. That dude is arrogant at best and the differential in power isn't enough to effect the output of your subs
@@beardedforlife3740 I'm not a fan of that guy myself, but whatever it was that was affecting the output was enough for Taramps to make Bass versions for a lot of their amps. People were claiming that they switched from Taramp 8ks to smaller Korean half-bridged amps and gained more on the low end.
Its because people are using the wrong amps out of there line up but expecting the wrong results there is a reason they make so many diffrent ones do your homework folks
Anyone who like this video series would probably like the following video that give an excellent description of the differences between the MD line and Bass line of Taramps amps and dispels and clears up some more myths about Taramps. ua-cam.com/video/f9zt7vEm_9o/v-deo.html
Another great video explaining things in this video series:
ua-cam.com/video/_1l8oNCtNLk/v-deo.html
I would never use a taramp in anything you want to sound nice
Some people just want to pay triple the price for less power
many people butt hurt cause you get alot for alittle money and taramps beat em to the punch ...
its the power source,, brand new ones ,right out the box wont work!..the return rate is insane! ..and if they clip,it will go i to protection and power will surged,,,..thays whats happening!.400,,800,1200,3000,smart and bass amps ,,so .if you are going to buy one,,try to avoid those models!
I know that’s why I bought one some people can’t use there own brains or don’t care to do there homework plus all these UA-camrs be doing the same thing I noticed the same with skar!
a loud fan is a good working fan.. nothing wrong with there fans they do there job very well... now the next myth that needs to be debunked is how there such power hungry amplifiers, i always tell ppl its not the amp that's power hungry its the operator, theses amps dont need a ton of power to work correctly they do there job anyways however the amps will most certainly take all the power you can feed them because there monster amplifiers
Great suggestion!
They on drugs cause I never had a Taramps fire and play from 12hz to 75hz no issues and my HD3k is playing my mids and highs no problem 80hz to 12khz and not a single issue.
I mean theres a kid that blew 3 12ks n stupidly bought 2 8ks after that
Parker the bass head, first 12k he blew by touching power to ground and shorting it, second one was damaged in shipping, third one he still had and works. He chose to switch to the 2 8ks
The human ear only can hear 20hz to 20k. All else is felt and not heard!!! So the rest is just B.S
I have that same amp an it pounds the shit out of my subs
Bro, thats what is wrong with Car Audio. You have people who can throw a amp in and think they know it all…… SMFH,