Testing out the Ioxus Ultracapacitor
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Tips of advice- (sorry for the long read, I enjoy this 💩!)
Before installing the fuses, use a test light (or a light bulb with leads considering that's all a test light really is... NOT LED either!!) and put the ends where the fuse goes, once the test light dies you can install the fuse and not have it spark scaring the 💩 out of you! (You're right, doesn't matter if you know it's coming, gets you EVERYTIME! 😂)
Same for when you uninstall amps, remove the fuse then touch the + and - with the test light, when the bulb dies there is no power left in the amp! (As you may or may not know, you can still blow an amp if you remove it and the terminals are bridged somehow.)
Install "Anderson connectors" on your amplifier power wires for quick and safe way to install and uninstall amps!
Did you not charge the capacitor before installing? That would be why you blew that fuse! It's imperative to charge supercap banks BEFORE installing, they can blow 💩, take out an alternator (typically overloads the regulator but can also blow a diode, especially if you have a weak diode already) IF you ever need to jump your vehicle you need to remove the capacitor before hooking up another car to jump you or same can happen to the other car! (I install those Anderson connectors on my batteries too, I also install a battery select switch typically used for marine applications that you can connect 2 batteries and choose to disconnect both, connect 1, connect 2 or connect 1 & 2, mainly for the jump start thing as with what we do, it's not uncommon for our alternators to become a nasty parasitic draw! I rebuild my alternator once a year AT LEAST!
I have not messed with the ioxus cap but an looking into them (how I came across this video actually) I want to see the guts! I have built my cap banks myself but they are ridiculously priced for cells nowadays. If they actually use 3000F cells I'll buy a few of these B stock.
Fun fact, I have a V8 and when I had a nasty parasitic draw, as long as I had over 8.5v in the 500F supercap bank the car would start no problem at all! Supercaps are crazy and are extremely slept on! I'd recommend supercaps over added batteries and even before lithium HOWEVER they pair with lithium beautifully! I recommend putting a 500F cap bank before every amp under 10k, over 8k run 1000F bank or 2 500F banks (So hook the amp up to the cap bank then the cap bank to the battery/batteries). This helps "cushion" the sudden high amperage draw (aka bass hit) that shocks batteries and alternators! You'll always see steadier/smoother voltage with caps!
Lastly, I recommend to always run grounds to the chassis. I use billet aluminum distribution blocks that I grind the paint off the entirety of the block, and on the bolts bolting the block down I also put 2 short cables going to my frame (obviously this only works with vehicles that have body on frame, but I'd still run cables to the chassis too, to have those added connections. (I do not run negative cables front to back though, I see it as a complete waste of wire, and with the price of wire now, absolutely!) I run the same number of grounds from battery and cap banks to chassis as is hooked up to the positive terminal. I also run 2 grounds from my engine to body and 2 grounds from engine to chassis (as close to or on the alternator, I have an alternator support bracket that makes it easy to run 1 per side, I also have a Ford and my alt is on the very top and center of the engine so that's nice 😂 I have no under hood battery)
I have 2 of those ultra capacitors. Gonna be on a jp33 with a 320 js alternator. I can't freaking wait. I have my shit I just gotta get it in.
SICK!, what batteries you have?
Be careful with those Ioxus capacitors. They were recalled because of some circuitry that if it burns out, the cap will drain your AGMs and catch fire. You can buy them for like a $100 now but I wouldn't put one in my car.
@@Hertzsogood219 I ran with several in different big trucks, company fleet never had any issues with them, pulled em all from the recall for insurance reasons. mine is fused in 2 places, pretty much anything that stores a lot of power has a higher chance of (releasing it) randomly. but tks good looking out!
@@CarAudioEnthusiasts I thought about getting one because you can get em used really cheap. What batteries are you running with it?
There's been like 2 incidents so they had to put out a notice! That's how NHTSA rolls!
I have two UltraCaps with a 400 alternator feeding two Surge Audio 3k. It's good to see others using them in their builds.
So do you use an isolator? Or when you install the UltraCap and turn off your car will it turn off by itself or keep draining the battery? That's the whole reason why I took mine out literally just lack of knowledge
@@woodrowproductions5199the caps were draining your battery?
Well you have no voltage drop do you? 😂 Even with a factory battery you'll be fine!
Like the way you laid this explanation out. I was searching for how people were connecting cables to the Ioxus as I bought a "B-Stock" one with no instructions or fastener hardware. Not running anything close to your amp draw, but nice to see it's doing well what you're asking it to.
Glad I could help!
Looking good absolutely a symphony of electrical balls lol I love ucaps I’ll make a vid of my set up one of these days.i have some what of an active UA-cam account but haven’t posted in a while lol.
I've got an ultra cap as well and its been an awesome product. my favorite feature is the Bluetooth voltage monitoring
i also have a mechman 370 with 2gauge big 3 as well as a front battery delete. in the back there's the 45ah of cmax from nw lithium, and the ultra cap, and i just installed a slapz audio shock8k. im definitely gonna break something on my car🤣
Thanks to this video i'm going to order me one of those from Big Jeff !! Dude I love your channel I am learning so much and you give us what we need to succeed in car audio. One question, is the power from the cap running all your amps or just the mono blocks? Thanks CAE !!!
it powers all, and thanks!
Looking good fella basshead
I love seeing a nice system build with these ultra capacitors. There is a few area I can see besides or in conjunction with audio. A main one is overlanding. A heavy duity winch can easly eat up to 500A pulling. Also inline with Inverters for high AC draw devices. ^^ A example is for me is a mobile DJ Vechile on wheels. A system A DJ controller and some pop up led dance light. For more stationary A pump, AC of grid. Basically any high draw item can greatly use a ultra cap. :)
Couldn't agree more!
Nice video ! Thinking about buying one of those Ultarcap for my Buick...but gotta put my Big Jeff 22hrs Lithium paired with a AAk 4k Death Bonce .
they rock man
Lmao, launches that fuse into the unknown, fuck it lemme get another 😂
Still ain't found it
@0:30 Ah I was use to some tiny sparks back when I was doing this in 1997-1999 lol.
yupyup theyre bigger sparks now. and still make me jump, lol
@@CarAudioEnthusiasts hahaha. When I started having kids I had to give this up, I got some huge caps that wasn't for the car market that are something else. I need to dig em out and make em go bang.....
also in a car powered by the alternators if your not charging at 14.8 volts like the battery chargers for the redodo batteries and Dakota lithium batteries they will never get fully charged. But this is a good thing as lithium batteries don't like to be constantly topped off. I was told to start them off being charged by the charger then u can put it in your vehicle to run along side with the alternators and agm batteries
When connecting power it’s good practice to charge your caps with a resistor.
As in a light bulb! 😂
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 sure. A light bulb, a piece of wire 2 miles long or a resistor all work
@@cboyamg or a light bulb as it also notifies you when it's all charged up....... 🤯
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 a light bulb is a resistor lol
@@cboyamg yeah......no shit
Hey CAE, I just got my IOXUS, its heavier than I expected. For charging, I've seen the lightbulb method and also charging straight from a 12v trickle/battery charger. How did you charge yours?
I have a 320ank alternator and the super beast headway cells in my car. I have a agm battery up front also. I've been planning on getting that same super cap. Amazon has them for one fifty also.
yea Big Jeff has them, on amazon.
The ioxus ultra cap was my first little upgrade on my journey to get loud made a major improvement on my 2k amp night and day difference I still have it in the bedroom no need for it now running a Northwest lithium SCIB bank
nw lithium is amazing!!!... i have cmax from him in my car
@@jeremyroat7463 definitely Leroy makes beautiful banks
he definitely does and it's local to me😁
It will still healp even with lithium
That shock everytime right
EVERY TIME! lmao!
lookin good man.
how do u like that cap ? it seems to be just like some of the other batteries u can get with built in Battery management
its a BEAST! lovin it man!
Soon as I saw the fuse I was expecting the “spark”
.....lol i WAS but it gets me EVERY TIME!
U know its gunna spark, but can't help the twitch lol. Amps caps takin their charge
every time!
I’m running one of the ultra caps in sink with a120 ah headway bank stock alt rn on a jp23v2 on a sundown Uv2 18. I have a whole lot of headroom for future upgrades
Same brother 🤘.. I have a stock alt . Only a xs 3500 battery and a ultra cap in the back and it's pretty impressive what I can pull.. have a js 320 waiting to go in
@@MatthewGuynn-ki8rn I’m looking to get a 370 mechman in the future that’s 700 like bucks lol
@@jsaw1988 mmm.. yeah.. not gonna lie I looked that way also . But for just under 500 I got my js and it will be plenty imop
@@jsaw1988 I'm running a dd9518 on the jp 23 v2 .. so really close to your setup 🤘🤝.. single 18 gang 😁
@@MatthewGuynn-ki8rn yes siiir
Get you a nice lf audio or high rate volt meter that’s what’s in the capacitor I have a lf audio it shows every little voltage drop as I have 3 other volt meters that stay at 14 when my high rate meters show the voltage drop as it’s too fast for basic cheap meter to pick up. Probably why your trucks meter show the same voltage drop as your capacitor app showed.
I've thought about buying one of those at least 10 times lol. I've got a 64ah headway bank with a xs power d3400. I know the agm is a weak spot for sure lol.
these things are crazy cool
Nice system build what highs are you running?
4 recoil 6.5 inch mids in the doors, 2 Audio Dynamic 3000 series mids and 2 Memphis M series tweeters in the a pillars. all those off an OLD JL audio 450/4.
also a little 10 inch JL sub in a very small sealed box in the center console, powered by a Memphis 1000 wats amp
@@CarAudioEnthusiasts thanks a lot that's kinda weird I was looking at recoil 6.5s and audio dynamic mids as well recoil makes so much good decent priced parts and audio dynamic makes very good parts just deeper pockets but well built how do u like them?
So should I run the cap between alt and lithium bank? Or between lithium bank and amp? I’m running gpaudio 190 amp alt 96ah headway bank taramps big boss 8k on 2 American bass Xmaxx 12s in a 06 Nissan Sentra. I’m trying to prevent voltage fluctuations.
cap closest to the amp is the ideal place
Use a test light to charge the capacitors in the amps. You won’t get a spark and possibly burn the amp
yea, i know. but remember im a stupid man, and i do stupid things. my wife STILL wont let me use Scissors!
So easy avoidable with a simple test light
Hey, CAE. Hope you're feeling well today. Im considering one of these for my daughters car. Its a newer syle malibu and has all kinds of factory charging system tech upgrades, not sure if you are familiar, its a 2017 model. Ive seen videos of folk modifying all kinds of wiring and installing adapters to make stuff work. Definitely going to be a learning curve for og. She just has stock electric at the moment. I guess first off before i get carried away even more here, would you feel comfortable installing one of these b stock units in Your daughters car, that is running 3000 watts? If so, ill revert back to details.. so stock electric, with big 3, all ofc, stock 12v agm or probably lead acid up front, one more in the trunk, and one of These next to it, pushing 3000watts between two amps located within 1 or 2 ft in the boot. Does this sound like it could work? What if i did two of these? Will two of These beat a 320amp ho alternator? Help a bro out here, porfas. I wish i could afford consultation. If im asking too much, just answer about would you install one in your daughters car. Thanks broski. I trust your opinion g
caps are very safe, so yes i would totally be ok with the install, but nothing will replace good charging. this thing is like a fast reloading crossbow, it stores power fast, gets it out fast, but you still have to pull it back for each shot. same with any storage. looks like your stock alt makes around 150amps, after the car takes its share, you have maybe 70-80amps at most thats a bit small for a 3kmax load. i spotted some 250amp alts for that car, thats the first thing you should go after, then the ultra cap. hope that helps.
@@CarAudioEnthusiasts thanks, that makes perfect sense. You da man!
I was thinking about trying a super bank this b stock ? as of split washer I got rid of them they caused problems cause heat as if a bolt gets loose the split will do its job and stop or lock the bolt from getting more loose but when it does this it creates a gap or split causing heat. Use gear lock washers or just plain washers. I use gear. High voltage electricians despise the split lock washer cause that reason of creating a gap is loose.
yup B Stock from Big Jeff
How would I go about hooking one of these up to my system as far as how to run the wires and hooking it us safe.
just like adding a battery
You got the CAP from Big Jeff Audio?
yupyup!
Where are you seeing the life expectancy on the cap?? I own this unit and have the app.. wondering where this is stated?
they have a 15 year rated lifespan, and they were all pulled from fleet vehicles, very early in their life, so Id say a LONG time.
@@CarAudioEnthusiasts yes I've seen estimates of 1 million cycles
I’ve purchased a cap, but haven’t installed it yet…
GIT on it, it aint gonna install itself! lol
Will you test it at 16 volt please?????
my electrical doesn't charge that high, sorry
Is yours one of the B stock from Big Jeff?
yes
@@CarAudioEnthusiasts Nice, I just found out those existed like a week ago.
It would be complete overkill for my 2500 watt system, but it also seems like it would be the cheapest and easiest way to fix any voltage issues that I have once I get it all installed
@@armedappalachian do it, I recommend these for any car on the road, for the stable
voltage, reserve power for starting/boosting.
@@CarAudioEnthusiasts well you twisted my arm enough, I have one on the way.
Just so I'm clear, these can be initially charged by the vehicle? You don't need to do the resistive load charging like other super caps?
@@armedappalachian just hook it up strait out of the box, like adding a battery. itll start out with flashing yellow light thats it charging up
I gotta 3500 rms bass amp an stock alt. I plan to upgrade alt. But would i need to with one of these
Also u said there are different voltage settings... Do I need to match voltage on compactor to same as voltage on battery?
the cap does'nt really care about voltage, long as its between like 7v and 16v
This would be a very smart addition to your setup, and of course the upgraded alt.
@@CarAudioEnthusiasts So it would get job done until upgrade alt.?
Pls help educate people by showing schematic diagram of the electrical and up to how much wattage does this go for.
ill try and work something up
@@CarAudioEnthusiastsdo you think 2 if these will help voltage?Got 2 400 amp alternator 4 glowe voltage series 1 batteries charging at 14.8 full tilt drops to 13.2 .
@@marquetterichardson6529 they will help with Dips, not slow droppage, if youre dropping slowly to 13.2 you need more charging. at 13.2 youre hitting the batteries, 14.8 youre still on alternator. once you overpower the alts, you drop till you het your storage resting voltage, then they start helping. the batteries, dont do anything untill you drop to their resting voltage.
your green bar will go to 100% at 15-16v
ah, well it aint gonna get there, lol
I'd reccomend the D4S lto 6.0s. They're good if you hv limited space but the pack a punch if u hv a good high output alt
Bad recommendation it says on the website they are for lower stock charging system not intended for a high output alternator almost every bad review you see on those is because they burn out the cells with a High output alternator and blame down 4 sound just saying BAD IDEA
@@SlamryCamry19 absolutely nothing you're saying is factual. I have been using 4 of them with 2 ioxus ultracaps for the past year with a single 320A high output alt and lots of 0 gauge welding wire and have had no issues. Voltage doesn't even drop half a volt at full tilt and I'm running over 15000 Watts. Any issues people have had with these batteries is always user error, they use dem with stock alt and stock battery without out isolator and are surprised when they fail. If you read the manual and follow what it says you won't have any problems. Plus @THELIFEOFPRICE has many videos on how to correctly install and use the batteries.
Yes and no here for me.. 😭 unfortunately I also had one of these.. the little battery was super powerful ! No complaints on the performance..But I had a guy warn me the top seal and connectors on the battery was super weak and cheap.. I argued with the guy that mine had been solid and it was a good product.. let's just say he won that debate.. the whole top separated off mine , it was shocking how cheap it was made
@@PK_EP actually everything I'm saying is factual it's another down 4 sound ripoff like the amps and if you read EVERYTHING!!! CORRECTLY yes it does say one time on the site I just checked to verify ONE time 14.8 volt MAX charging then EVERYWHERE else it clearly states that it's to be used in line with a stock charging system and down at the bottom it says WARNING ⚠️ not to be used with an alternator exceeding 14.4 charging lololol and the reason I said something is because I have several and I do mean several buddies that work in the same building with me all were die hard LTO 6.0 fans and literally every one of them had the same issue the battery catastrophically prematurely failed from nothing more than the cold starts during winter if the battery isn't designed to work with the cold start it's NOT designed to be used at 14.8 period you better stick to the 14.4 and not one of them had a failure on their part it might work ok in a build car but in a daily driver NOPE not happening you might get a couple that get buy with it but if you are truly using your car as a daily driver the LTO 6.0 is garbage and that is FACTUAL
@@SlamryCamry19 real LTO YinLong cells are rated to work down to -40c and last upwards of 20-30 years
Mine completely died after two weeks
sorry to hear man, so far im solid!
it's not a battery it will not hold a charge
@@NightshiftCustom but did he mean died as in lost charge or died as in broke...also youre right that a cap isnt a battery, but they can absolutely hold a charge, even for years. i know this for sure, because as a kid i got LIT UP by a cap in an old tv, it had been in the dump so long all the wood had rotted away. and while removing some parts from it, i managed to touch the big cap and i think i did a flip!
@@NightshiftCustom So II was supposed to charge it everyday? Anyways, it's completely dead. no lights no nothing.
@@CarAudioEnthusiasts yes a cap on its own can hold a charge sure but this is not that it has a brain box inside that kills off the charge when not hooked up to a battery or not in use this is why it will not work on its own without a battery