81. Jeffrey MacDonald Part 1 -- White Rabbit
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2021
- On a rainy night in 1970, Captain Jeffrey MacDonald, a surgeon and a Green Beret, made a frantic call for help. His wife and children had been brutally murdered. But was it an attack by crazed, drugged out hippies? Or did MacDonald kill his entire family?
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Just for the record, Dr. Baby Killer was NOT a Green Beret. He was a surgeon attached to a Green Beret unit. He did not receive any GB training. Please don't insult the GB's by giving Mac credit for being one.
there is no such thing as green beret training. green beret is an accoutrement.
He only did a one -year surgical internship at Columbia-Presbyterian after killing his family.He’s referred to as a trauma surgeon as well, which seems very strange considering a general surgeon usually does 5 years of a demanding residency. He only did one year. Maybe this was allowed during wartime?
Oh my god. thank you. These fing idiots
@@hanwagu9967the hell there isn’t. You make and your training becomes completely different
@@Infomat517?? He was discharged before then.
This is very local news to me. My dad was still in the Army at Ft Bragg when this happened. Everyone said that he was guilty.
" He's guilty as hell". I was around the same age as Kimberley.
I spent the night with a lot of friends who lived on the base and we ( kids)weren't allowed to walk outside at night.
It wasn't because of this either. It was always like that.
We had to stay on the porch or yard.
MPs drove by the house every half hour.
This was before the murders too. We liked waving to the MP's each time they drove by and got excited when they waved back.
Hippies walking around the base would be very noticeable, especially at night.
Gary Cole's portrayal of McDonald in Fatal Vision was one of the best performances ever.
It really was.
I looked into this movie and it's like 3hrs long🙄I'll pass.
If the real MacDonald is even half as unlikeable and half the weasel that Cole portrayed he is exactly where he belongs
@@ivandesantis858 Exactly right.
@@glamvan8658 it's truly worth the three hours
This is one of my earliest memories of true crime. I’ll never forget reading in Joe’s book that according to the autopsy reports, that monster held his little girl ON HIS LAP while he stabbed her. His were the eyes she was looking into while she died. I don’t know motive: whether he was high on amphetamines from long shifts, or he was having an affair and wanted out, or just couldn’t face the responsibilities of being a husband and father. But I know HE did it.
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If this had been a home invasion, would the gang not have targeted him primarily? He would be the greatest threat to them, they would make sure he was dead first. Highly unlikely that he would be the only survivor.
My take of that is this from what I read Dr McDonald was trying to help clean up the drug scene that was rampant in the Military back then and his family was possibly targeted because of that? Why would they kill his family? To get him to stop fighting the drug scene. Why does a sexual predator snatch certain children out of a home or a certain woman and not their brother or sisters? Or another woman?Same kind of thing i think can’t figure out how a psycho thinks.
They wanted him to get the blame , can’t do that if he’s dead. They almost killed him by accident though. It was a satanic sacrifice.
@@kristenschnese698 lol, what a naive theory. This case is not only fascinating for its seemingly endless exploitation of the American legal system but also for the way a psychopathic conman can fool so many who are willing to believe the most ridiculous BS.
He was also a trained fighter, a Green Beret,who couldn't even save his family.I think
he'd be embarrassed .
They would of definitely gotten him first, especially if that's who they were after in the first place.
He'd probably be off by now if he just admitted he was working double shifts , was taking some kind of substance to stay up and he wasn't in his right mind when he committed the crimes.
I’d really like to see you guys cover the Darlie Routier case, which has some similarities to this one.
One of my favorite crimes to discuss! I've had some rather hot debates with family about this case. He is guilty.
I didn't believe a word McDonald said,my 11 year old grandson can come up with something better than that.
Seems like as a doctor he would know not to remove the knife, it’s the sort of thing you learn in basic first aid. When something is forced into he body like that it somewhat staunches severed blood vessels, yanking it out only causes the blood to flow more freely since it doesn’t appear that he had the things at hand needed to stop the gush.
I think he did it to place his DNA there purposely
I live about an hour away from Fayetteville/Fort Bragg so this case holds a particular fascination for me too. Fatal Vision was chilling and had me shook only slightly less than Helter Skelter. Jeff McDonald was the Scott Peterson and Chris Watts of that time period. He was viral before there was such a concept. I am really looking forward to hearing your observations on the investigation and trials and what you think happened. 🙌🏽
There is another family murder case that is heartbreaking and similar to Watts, Peterson & MacDonald...it is the case of Chris Coleman. This guy is another one who is proclaiming his innocence despite mounds of evidence proving his guilt. And I've watched an interview with Coleman's parents and they are also HORRIBLE.
@@dottiewofford7656 Thanks, Dottie. I’m not familiar with the case, but I will search for information on it.
You guys are always just awesome. My husband worked w MacDonald at a Long Beach hospital after the murders, but before (obviously) he was sentenced. My husband said MacDonald just seemed like another normal guy there. Creepy!!
Did Ted Bundy act normal also, how many nuts going to show are tell you what they are going to do, do we know what is inside of these nuts, only when it is to late.
Great job on this. New to the channel but have been fascinated by this case for many years. One thing I have never understood is why Jeffrey removed the knife from Colette's chest? Here's why. I'm not a doctor. Compared to him, I am a massive novice. But I am a CPR/First-Aid instructor. Stay with me here. On day two of my courses, we drive home a fundamental point: :"Do NOT remove impaled objects; ever. Glass, weapons, rebar.... unless you have to remove it to save their life (e.g., removing an impaled object to remove someone out of a burning car) leave impaled objects exactly where they are. It's a simple concept. The impaled object can keep blood loss minimized. Also, we aren't trained to remove such objects. Jeffrey was a doctor. He was (according to him) injured and in his home. Leave the effing knife alone. He knew better. He wasn't in an operating room, according to him, he was too busy being tangled up in his jammies to protect his wife and kids from a roaming band of hippies. Removing the knife might not seem like a big deal, but it makes absolutely no sense.... unless you wanted to ensure that someone bled out.
I'm always suspicious when an entire family dies and the man of the house lives.
Not only did he survive, but he suffered mostly superficial injuries while his wife and children suffered brutal overkill. The alleged intruders continued inflicting vicious injuries postmortem on the wife and children, but these marauding hippies just let the husband peacefully pass out without continuing to beat, bludgeon and stab him with knives and ice picks? Sure. And the careful, self-inflicted puncture wound that collapsed one of his lungs was the worst injury he suffered while his wife was utterly obliterated.
like sam sheppard...yes he had a head injury but what people were saying was he fought with his wife earlier i the evening
I met this guys wife and sat behind him once when he was in the CA federal institution. THAT was a weird experience.
I love the content have you guys thought about doing the oj case and Jon Benet? Would love to here those cases from your perspective.
I read Fatal Vision and have wanted you to do this case! Thank you!!
My last comment (I promise) - why would 4 adult killers go into a home with zero weapons, take time (while MacD stays asleep) to find a varied set of weapons in the home, then brutally kill 3 people then do almost nothing to the only adult male there and then just leave, leaving the dude still alive?
Answer - they wouldn’t.
Does anybody know who is covering Jeffrey MacDonald's legal fees? If it is indeed the most litigated case in the United States, then that is super expensive. He must have some wealthy friends out there.
Intruders would NEVER let an adult live. They kill babies because they don't want to leave any witnesses alive, so there is no reason in the world for him to still be alive. There's just no way he didn't do this.
I have been so busy with work that I missed it last week..I have also been fascinated by the Jeffrey MacDonald case and I want to give you guys a big thumbs up for tackling this one..
Wait, did they just go from telling a story to doing an ad? I got so confused for a bit😂😂😂
I haven't been back to Ft. Bragg since 1993. Then, the housing unit was still abandoned, sealed, and patrolled by occasional MP's. I don't know if that neighborhood still stands today.
It was demolished. Now the site of a public pool.
Jeffrey Jeffrey why are YOU doing this to me !!
Chilling
Love your podcast guys- so glad you’re doing this case! I believe I first heads it on Crime Junkie and became obsessed, but CrimeJunkie is a terrible podcast for factual reporting lol I’ve been misled by them too many times now. You guys have spoiled me with true crime because of your straight facts and not having an agenda. Once I heard this case covered by TrueCrime garage I got a totally different opinion! He is definitely guilty, there seems to be a strong connection to men that cheat and men that murder their families. Obviously not all do both but Scott Peterson, Chris Watts, this guy. The psychology behind the crime is fascinating. Although this is a heartbreaking case 💔
** also praying for your baby and family Brett! My daughter is 3 months old and spent the first 2 weeks of her life hospitalized , she was diagnosed with Hirschsprungs. It’s never easy to see your child struggle, I pray over your baby and the team taking care of him, as well as you and your wife, may God strengthen your hearts and bring peace to your minds ❤️
THis is the case that started my true crime obsession. I am so glad you guys are doing aseries on this! Your detail and both sides of the story style is the best!
Three episodes of one of the best podcasts on the Jeffrey MacDonald family murders I've heard. Thanks for covering this so thoroughly! I have listened to this one (or these three) several times & have enjoyed sharing it.
Jesus, this was a Green Beret's house. How did they know he didn't have a freakin Uzi? Some story he gave!
😮 YAYYY!! Love LOVE this mystery TY!! 🤗😊
He's guilty in my humble opinion.
I’m so glad you’re doing this case. This is probably the only true crime case that I’m on the fence about. After listening to this podcast I’m interested to see if I’m swayed either way.
One bit I’ve always thought about his ‘story’ of him awaking and hearing both Colette and Kimberly screaming - I figure it’s ‘true’ in that he suddenly ‘un-snapped’ out of it (sort-of woke up from his rage trance) while he’s doing the initial attack and heard them both screaming at him - in the master bedroom as they were all (the 3 of them) there together at that time. So he used that in his ‘story’ because their words in fact were in his head - then he had to stick with that storyline. Terrible, he uses some bit of truth (their screaming words) to craft his lie.
Brett said "All y'all". I think I'm in love.
Same! NC girl here, lol.
I've never heard this story it reminds me of Darlie Routier. It seems staged and he's guilty but I'm gonna listen to the whole story before I actually make up my mind on that! And as for the ad's everyone in comments talk about they have to make there money guys these podcasts are so good it doesn't matter. Fast forward through them!! Great podcast
Love your channel! New subscriber! Would love your opinions on the West Memphis 3!
Do you think that those kids were guilty of that murder??
Catching up on your channel. Loving it. Can you recommend books besides Fatal Vision,which I have already read that you found helpful?
The Journalist and the Murderer is interesting and different. And of course, Wilderness of Error of your want MacDonald's side
@@ProsecutorsPodcast thank you, will check them out.
Men /murderers such as this guy deserve hell's fury👹😡
Imo, the Manson murders was the first true crime case that captured everyone. Beautiful Sharon Tate, murdered so brutally. That got my dad. I'll never forget how incensed he was about what they did to her.
Ed Gein. His murders in the 1950s inspired psycho.
Oohh...I think there was an episode of JAG based off of this case! I miss that show......😭
This was always an intriguing case.
The boxing team was not going to Russia, it was a lie.
I. LOVE. YOU. GUYS.. thank you. I am really into this one.
I never clicked so fast! 😍😍
98 bucks for shorts and 100 for a top? 🙄
Thank you thank you thank you for doing Dr. MacDonald!!!
Love you two! Love your music- the best. But… won’t be finishing this listen because in my head- he is guilty! It was unimaginable then, and all too a familiar pattern now!
MacDonald was charged and tried under the UCMJ - Uniform Code of Military Justice. I'm old and remember this case well. It's true that in 1968 and throughout the 70's, casual sexual encounters and experimental behavior was NORMAL. (I was at Woodstock). The Pill wasn't widely available to women until the mid sixties. The Vietnam Was was still going on, and men were drafted into the Army.
He killed his family .
You should look into the Michelle Von Emster case, very fascinating and would be a great case for you guys.
Oh good there's ads now.
He got to be a GB when 70% of those who tried out made it … he was never in the field an was only in for 8 months. He as going to be a surgeon. Yo7 should know that Brett
4th circuit is a joke ,you know the Supreme CT wasn't gonna take their garbage.
It came out in the trial that an investigator who arrived at the scene set the dining room table upright.
I have loved every show, including this one, but the English teacher in me wants you to capitalize Green Beret in your introductory text. Thank you.
Done
I liked Gary Cole he even looked a lot like the real Jeffrey Macdonald, but he didn't really sound much like him
These commercials....oh my.
So glad to have found this podcast after Tim and Lance stopped doing Maura Murray. Their new podcast is so boring, and I now exclusively listen to you guys because of your fascinating insights and legal minds.
I do have to say I think your prosecutor bias came out a little bit in this episode. Just because of a supposed “playboy lifestyle” and other unconventional choices he made doesn’t make him guilty. As you also know, and as you’ll get into, Stokley seemed to want to confess before she sadly passed away. In addition the wife’s father Kassab really had it out for Jeffrey after he went on TV. There was always enough reasonable doubt, and obviously there was enough reasonable doubt if the 4th circuit continued dismissing his case.
I’ve always personally thought there was ample reasonable doubt for not guilty. Not saying he didn’t do it, but too much reasonable doubt in my mind. Too many unanswered questions, and a lot of interesting clues I hope you guys are going to cover without bias.
This is gonna be a good one!
I wasn't aware that they have stopped all Maura Murray podcast..I have not had time to go over to their channel however, I bet it is not the same without Maura content..
any thoughts on dr sam shepard case? thats a fascinating one too... yes he was not found guilty however(conviction overturned).. so much points to him....unsolved no more did a deep dive (detective mains) it was a good episode..i never believed his story... DV turned homicide imo just like macdonald
You guys should do the McStay family case. Maybe they got the right guy but the prosecutors never explained how this went down even with the conviction, my favorite case other than Amu milhslevic
He’s a huge liar, anyone interested really needs to read Fatal Vision, it is deep on all topics in the case. And fyi the lawsuit he won against the author was for fraud (misleading him about the outcome of the book) but not at all about libel or untruths.
I thought I knew everything about this case but no.. I wonder something with regards to him saying some people instead of we’ve been stabbed. Could it be because he was possibly in shock and possibly because he is a Dr and we can’t write things in present tense so so maybe he was just thinking like a Dr would writing a dr note? I am on the fence with him as to if he did it but can amphetamines cause hallucinations? Or the combination of that and lack of sleep? But also didn’t they find that strand of blonde hair that didn’t belong to the family? I don’t think he killed his family jerk that he was to Collette however I do have experience with military men and they can be jerks . in the Navy even in the 80’s , the Chaplains would stand on the ships deck and pass out condoms to the guys going ashore and say don’t make any mistakes..
I have also questioned his guilt due to the blonde hair and there was also something about the rocking horse that was brought out that only the killer or the family would have known about..
The ego of MacDonald is his worst enemy
He was sleep deprived and taking amphetamines. My guess is he killed them while in a hallucinatory state.
No one kills their family like that because of amphetamines!
Can OJ be tried federally if he ever confess to the murders of Nicole Brown and Ronnie Goldman?
Your introduction with the music is long
Yeah more god damn fuckin ads Jesus Christ it never ends
I'm sorry we have to feed our children.
@@ProsecutorsPodcast I love y’all’s podcast, i had a bad my moment, my bad ❤️
Your facts are off. The in laws said he never did the dishes, so that was suspicious. He was taking diet pills, he was not part of a study. The older girl wet the bed, NOT the younger one!
But one piece here, HE said it was the younger daughter who wet the bed, when in fact (via urine analysis) it was really the older one. Some theorize that this was a cover he used to ‘avoid’ the idea that a 5-year old was still bedwetting…which could indicate family stress.
I think they are just giving McDonald's story to give us background before disproving his fictional storyline
Unsubscribing due to advertisements...I pay for UA-cam Premium for a reason...
Same
The fact he was taking amphetamines and hadn’t slept for 48 hours prior to the murders clinched it for me. He obviously wasn’t a family man the way he lied about going to Russia when the new baby was due, and seemed more interested in being a playboy. Glad he’s never managed to get paroled
Guys, the transition to the sponsorship needs some work try to make it less grating...ALSO the bias against MacDonald was evident keep the emotions out.
Your sponsor bits are kinda horrendous, they go on forever. Just do it once at beginning or end, ugh!
Due to these spots I have to downvote.
In my opinion the entire truth of this case will NEVER be known.
Jeffery MacDonald may have made questionable statements in the 911 call but who can truly say how one would react faced with the same situation?
Mistakes were made in this case from the start. Mishandling of evidence, too many people permitted in the crime scene, not considering intruders from the start...
Only those in the home that night truly know what happened.
I have read alot on this case and heard podcasts and watched videos...I am not totally convinced Jeffery MacDonald is guilty.
One thing I do believe that Freddie Kassab was the driving force behind Jeffery MacDonald's conviction. I understand the need for justice for a loved one but perhaps Jeffery MacDonald was the offering to satisfy the need to hold someone responsible.