I know this is going to sound morbid, but i make Halloween props, including my own recipe of fake blood. Just for kicks. I grabbed one of my large chef's knifes, covered the flat edge with fake blood, and ran the bloody edge of the knife across my own throat. The result? A slash/wound pattern exactly like the one on Darlie's - the angle was almost exactly the same. I can't even imagine why an intruder would stab the boys, but slash her, but even if a murderer would have had a notion to change his mode, that slash mark would be hard to duplicate if she were on the couch, and the intruder was looming over her. No, sir. That slash is ridiculously consistent with a self-inflicted slash.
I'm glad you used that pic of Darlie for your thumbnail. It shows what an airhead she is, and also the happiness in her eyes. Her sons have just been stabbed to death in the most brutal way, yet she's fine. She's also saying, "people's gossip is the worst evil in the world." Really, Darlie? I would've thought people who kill children would be the worst evil in the world.
In her 911 call it sounds like she says "I just stabbed me and my children ( not THEY) the 2nd time she says it. Also she totally skips over the fight or struggle she had with the person who stabbed her.
You’re so correct. Her and Darrin are such ding dongs. Very cringe worthy people but you’re so right… Darlie is an airhead and she is happy her burdens are gone. So tragic
She was muffled if you read every piece of evidence you would know her insides of her lips were like chewed up meat but they failed to bring that evidence up cause it didn't help there cause against her all the evidence is not strong enough to sentence to death especially on character alone
@@ruthietreselan They used to have 33,000 errors. I don’t find that acceptable at all but it is a non issue now. Because, a. It did not affect the jury verdict. The jurors were read back a part of Darin’s testimony, and it was actually accurate. b. Both the prosecution and defense signed off on the trial transcripts. If the errors did not get fixed, why didn’t her defense refuse to sign off on them?
On the sleeping, that part I totally get, I slept thru a car hitting 3 pine trees in my front yard. My bedroom window was only 28 ft from the trees. Being a very sound sleeper I understand, but his story changing dont add up.
Darlie did this, THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY EVIDENCE THAT PROVES HER INNOCENCE. the neighbor's story about the 2 men at her home held no cup of water. she was a Darlie supporter. there was no timeline either.
Only an hour ago I was looking for a decent podcast or documentary on Darlie Routier and I couldn't find one. I just came back to UA-cam to find something else and bingo! Just like that, here you wonderful people are. I'm fair dinkum chuffed right now! I have something new from you guys to listen to while I give my dog a haircut, and it's on the very case I'm currently hooked on. Best day ever ❤️
She might have been half asleep after the attack and just walking around twitch no rhyme or reason. Why and how would she slit her own throat? That’s pretty horrific.
@@lauraburger1272 Sometime take a look at the lululemon murder/robbery. Details of that case are enough to completely shake your faith in the self aggrandizement of Today’s Criminal.
@Sarah Sarah haha, my hat’s off to you, If I tried to give my dog a haircut whilst listening to true crime podcast, dog would be looking like it got jumped by a weedwacker! 🤣
@@lauraburger1272 why stab your own lung like Macdonald did? Staging maybe? Darlie wrote she was suicidal. So either? A lesser injury would have removed doubt completely. Everyone would know killer wouldn't just beat up her arms and stab 1 arm.
I saw an interview with her from prison. She says " I faught with him, he slit my throat or whatever, and I passed out" If he slit her throat and she passes back out on the couch where the hell is all the blood on the couch?
Exactly! It's at the sink, which then got cleaned up. She changed her story only after she saw they took the sink as evidence. She then added that she went over to the sink to wet towels. There still should be a lot of blood on the sofa though!
people always say "she couldn't have staged that, she was so close to hitting the carotid artery" and I've always replied "you think that dumb blonde knows what a carotid artery is???" She's like a second grader.
I must say -- I thought I knew all about this case, because it's been carefully researched and has been out there for so many years, but you did a fantastic job in uncovering more details as well as providing sharp analysis/interpretation. Well done!
OMG, thank you so much also for discussing the placement of Damon's body!! To me, that never made much sense if he was sleeping there, (he couldn't see the TV from there, and why sleep in a place where he's so likely to be tripped over) but it did make sense in the context that perhaps his brother was attacked first, and he tried to escape and was chased down and attacked where he fell. Or, as you said, that he tried to crawl away. Both scenarios are almost unthinkably horrific and tragic, but sadly they do seem to make sense to me. It always makes me think of how Andrea Yates described how she had to chase the last of her children that she killed through her house before finally catching him.
@@candiceparr4174 It does really seem as though that's possible, at least from what I've been able to find. But I fully admit I'm no CSI or expert. It is interesting to know that other people think this was what happened, though! Thank you for this reply!
@@candiceparr4174 I think she stabbed him and thought he was dead or dying. Then went to plant the sock, came back to see he was alive and crawling towards the doorway and finished him off. She is a sick human being
@@MarissaB22 I agree. This has never been a mystery or a whodunit. It's only difficult to people who try to play game in their head and pretend there was an intruder. There wasn't. It also wasn't the silly string that convicted her all by itself. I was a ton of blood evidence. She's where she should be
First Darlie took a knife from the kitchen to cut the window screen, then put it back and grabbed a bigger knife to commit the crime. why would a killer put a knife back in the holder and grab another knife? Darlie then put a sock on her hand while she murdered her sons, then ran it down the street to drop it. The sock only had Devon and Damons blood on it. it had Darlie's and Darrin's DNA on it though, there's a difference. If Darlie was attacked like she said she was there would have been her blood too on it. it took the investigators 4 mins walking back and forth, so she had plenty of time to run 3 houses down. She ran back and cut herself by the sink with her apposing arm to make it appear she was attacked by an intruder from behind. She started staging the crime scene, and Darrin woke up when she broke the glass on the floor before she called 911, that's when the timeline started. she had lots of time to stage it. Darlie's blood and footprints were on the bottom of the broken glass too. Darlie's feet would have had cuts on them if the glass was broken during a struggle. where were the intruder's footprints? and why would an intruder murder those little boys so viciously first and then go after Darlie? her wounds were not as bad as she claims. those boys were butchered! Her neck wound did not require stiches, and she was only in ICU because the police wanted to question her without the press, her family allowed those pics to be taken. after she was arrested, she wrote a letter from jail clamming to know who the intruder was, when confronted on the stand she admitted to lying about it. Her story makes no sense. as of 2023 Darlie's new defense is trying to blame Darrin for some insurance scam. Darrin had a 200 thousand life insurance policy on her, the boys had 5 grand each on them. If Darrin really set, her up why wasn't she killed first? more money for him..... theres so much more don't be fooled by Darlie she is monster and deserves no sympathy..
Do yourself a favor and watch RICH PRATER his UA-cam 43 episodes that deeply show real investigation that he got now the innocence project has it and it’s not what is being said on this channel
@@yalandareeves3159 The IP are crooks. Nearly 50% of offenders released by them are reconfirmed by DNA evidence to have committed the crime. This includes sexual predators, pedophiles, and sexual homicide offenders.
Many major problems with Darlie's version of events... the first one is thatshe chased after the intruder. Any normal woman would run in the opposite direction.
I find it hard to imagine that Damon could walk, but also that he would walk over to the couch with the man standing right there at the couch. Also the man would have seen him going to his mother. But still the guy would just walk away leaving 2 witnesses. When you listen to Darlie on the 911 call she is screaming hysterically. But she wants us to believe that she fought with an intruder in her house and chased after him but never made a single sound, that would alert Darin or even her dog.
That's because her story about Damon talking to her is another ridiculous lie! After all the damning evidence against her, the jury tried very hard to see just a 'glimpse' of a grieving mother...which is why they asked to watch that horrible BD party at the gravesite! They saw nothing! Darlie likes to tell everyone from the last 27 years that she was convicted because of silly string! She called the press for this outrage....I hope for her sake only before she leaves this life, she truly tells the truth and realizes to ask forgiveness and deserves her punishment...
Damon was stabbed four times in both lungs, two in each…. I am positive, he would not have been able to speak. Darlie said that Damon said “wake up, Mommy” and she told him to “hold on, baby” and he said “ok, Mommy” I’m telling you, this conversation did not happen.
I saw the documentary on this case but, you had me at, " did the cops get it right." 👂 Great show guys. Her story has way to many inconsistencies....dumb ones. My only question is when will Darlie be executed?🤔
I understand the prosecutor and the police don't care whether she did it or not even if she is executed so remember you can't bring an innocent person back this case isn't straightforward got an interesting fact for you though the prosecutor as given darlie a deal you admit it we will give you life without parole strange that they pushed for the death penalty originally
Is it just me or do Darlie and her supporters seem to care a lot more about getting her out of prison than finding out who killed tnose inmocent children? They talk about that. Maybe because they all know she did it
Every show about this baby killer has so many of their "facts" wrong. The cut on her neck was superficial and did not require sutures. The carotid is buried underneath a muscle, which would have to be cut to get to it. No doctor ever said how close (much less the 2mm lie) she came to the carotid and of course it was not nicked as they claim.
Actually, the trial transcripts show Dr Alejandro Santos testified the laceration extended to the carotid sheath and the 2 millimeter info is agreed to several times. Still guilty, but the 2mm is agreed to by the doctor on the witness stand. He also calls her wounds superficial, as opposed to deep.
She’s guilty as hell.ppl kill their kids all the time without any sort of motive.the one thing that really annoys me is how ppl point to the severity of her neck injury as proof of innocence.like she couldn’t have misjudged how deep she did it?the neck is a vulnerable place and why wasn’t she stabbed like her sons then?too many things point to her
@@grimtt She didn't almost die, she wasn't in any danger whatsoever of dying. She had a shallow slash wound to her neck with two hesitations I might add and a slash wound to her arm, both self-inflicted.
They are actually both innocent, both crimes were satanic rituals. But the satanic Freemason police are not gonna let you know that. So just go ahead and stay asleep.
@@UnderCver-bd1xh I commend you for questioning how anyone can know something is a fact enough to state it as a "fact". And with all do respect to the original poster of this comment , unfortunately you will see ALOT of this sprinkled through out the comment section of literally every single video on this case, and you might notice a trend with the people and repeated remarks . They usually are just stating something that they believe but type it as a fact . This always confused me to , until I caught on that they were just trying to be convincing .. Alot of the times you will see the same people and the same remarks . Even sometimes saying that they "know 100%" that she did this or that . In my experience when people use this type of dialogue it takes away from the validity of their statement . And another trend is hostile language towards a supporter. Its just an observation though , by all means I would recommend that you make your own observations . In this particular comment there are alot of supporters who say that Darlie wouldnt have had enough time to stage this crime so the supporters say that the timeline was based off of expert testimony stating that damon could have only lived up to 9 minutes after being stabbed , which after the 911 call really only leaves 1-2 minutes for her to do everything that the prosecution states she did. For example , the screen , the sock , i guess the vaccum , wine glass ect. So defense thinks there is not enough time in that window to perform all of this staging and also slit her own throat and inflict stab wounds upon herself . So this comment reflects the states side that she could have done all of these things because the timeline did not start until after she staged the scene because they believe she came back from staging the scene, saw damon still alive , and then stabbed him 2 more times , and they believe the 9 minute window started afterwards . So even on a good day that is speculation and you would have to believe that damon was stabbed 2 seperate times .and be sure that it was the "2nd " attack that provided the lethal injuries, which isnt possible for us to know. I hope I made sense and wasnt too confusing , the only reason I replied was bec I could see you genuinly wanted to know so I tried to give the most unbiased explanation that I could and explain both sides theories not just one :)
@@UnderCver-bd1xh because Damon left a clear, traceable path from where he was attacked to where he died. And at the door where he died there were blood marks on the wall onsocarong a second attack.
wouldnt the sock have blood from Darlie if an unknown killer had transported it after he had slashed her. And why would an intruder kill the boys so violently before attacking the mother so mildly
Warning long comment with lost of info!! The problem is she was on fen fen, the diet pill for months before the attack. The lawyers who did the lawsuit for the class action when they recalled fen fen said the vast majority of them had major memory issues, and sleep issues. 1 was a marine with 3 kids who supposedly used to wake up at the slightest sound before and after taking fen fen she slept through an F3 tornado in her neighborhood that almost ripped her house down (that part is hearsay and could be bs I understand that!) but there was another woman who was 4.0 gpa all through school and the last 3 years of collage but took Fen fen to loose weight for her last year of school and said she could no longer retain any info she studied and failed all her classes her last year of collage, others would call in and tell them they had only taken fen fen for 3 weeks then call a week later and say no I was wrong it was 6 weeks, another still who he had a sit down hour long conversation about how she wasn’t the same person anymore she was depressed and couldn’t remember things and would get really angry and yell at her family for no reason out do the blue but when he called her the following week she claimed over the phone that she didn’t really remember much of their conversation. He said the saddest part of that is fen fen did not report that their medication had a toxin in it that affected the brain in a big way but that they couldn’t do anything about that for any of the clients in the law suit with exception to the heart valve issues it was causing them and would cause them the rest of their lives. Now all of that SHOULD be able to be checked and verified BUT when it comes to memory and mood those are things people can/could fake, but if it is true could answer why her story changed so many times and why she was able to sleep through most of the attack. You never know.
Except Darlie testified that she didn't experience ANY major side effects. Oh, and what they lawyer choose not to tell you: a more common effect of phen is sudden outbursts of rage. He also almost doubled the length of time Darlie was taking the the drug. She was actually taking it, at most, for just over 2 months.
The sock never mattered to me, the sock was planted well in advance, I do believe that the sock was the FIRST thing planted. The sock had just a few blood spots from the kids when it probably should have been absolutely soaked with blood (if we are to believe that this 'man' used the sock on his hand instead of a glove?) I think that Darlie planted the sock first, and then came back to the house and did the rest of it. If Darlie didnt want to go through with it, the sock had such little blood that the neighbor probably would have just discarded the sock without telling anyone and it wouldnt have been a big deal.
That would also fit well with the timeline people always rabbit on about. If she planted the sock first, then put lamp and vase of flowers on the floor etc, she then had plenty of time for everything else. Including cleaning up some of the blood.
or that the sock was thrown by her husband, the police officer saw him going out , saying to fetch his nurse neighbour for help. But if Darlie went out to plant the sock first, wouldn't the night sensor (i read that they had such an equipment somewhere outside their house that will light up when strangers walked by, so if she ran out, wouldn't it be lightened up? But the witnesses said the light was not on (but worked properly) when they arrived on scene. so Could darlie run out without getting near to the light?
He absolute ludicrous that "sleep through" everyone's stabbing. This is the biggest boldest lie that alone I would be used to convict her. She is a liar. She can get women up by her son pressing on her shoulder but not being stabbed??!? Please!
Yep! Smiling, Laughing, and chewing gum, like a cow chewing cud! I had a very young baby when I saw her doing this, and I remember thinking “she DID IT” because I would be in a padded cell, sedated, if someone had done to my children, what she claims happened to hers. She did it, and she thought she’d get away with it!
Great podcast but could you put the next part on a link in the description. Part 2 link. I looked at the video playlist and it looks like part 3 is missing. Links would be helpful, please 🙂
My son, was born at 29 weeks. I was told he’d be smaller, slower to reach milestones, and probably struggle with some learning. He is now 29 years old, in the Air Force, is 6’1”, and has a job that requires big brains. I can’t say what he does, but he definitely didn’t suffer from the scary things they warned he could suffer from. He’s a strong, intelligent and capable man. I’m exceedingly proud of him. I hope your little fighter has surpassed too, I’m sure he/she has. 🙏🏽🌹
A couple minutes in and just had to say I CANNOT wait to hear Brett and Alice's take on this case! Thanks, guys! I'm old enough to distinctly remember when this happened and I'm still just as on the fence about reasonable doubt regarding her guilt as I was 25ish years ago. Without Susan Smith's highly publicized case and conviction right before the Routier boys were murdered, I wonder if the jury would have returned a different verdict? Not based on innocence, just based on examination of evidence presented (without interference from the heightened emotions thanks to Smith's callous antics). PS- so glad your baby boy is growing and thriving!! Been praying for him and your family 💙
Reasonable doubt is irrelevant. She lost her presumption of innocence in 1997 upon her guilty verdict. She'll need to present affirmative evidence of her innocence to the court now. Mere doubt is insufficient.
@@tsully4368 I agree.... I don't think she is innocent, I've just read a lot about different aspects of the case in court over the years, especially back in the late 90s, and whether or not the jury had been presented with inarguable evidence. It can toy with your logic! In the end I do think the jury made the right choice, almost always have, but there has always been so much debate with the case and some arguments seem incredibly valid and have made me think "hmmmmm...", which was exactly why used the phrase "on the fence" (regarding the trial, not her innocence), and why I was so excited to hear Brett and Alice discuss it. 😊
@@heidileigh7023 It's not a matter of innocence, it's a standard of proof that must be met in order to find for a guilty verdict. Reading the prevailing opinions of those in the prosecution's side, they keep talking about how the defense never proved an intruder was in the house, demonstrating how upside down this case was from the very beginning. It's not their burden to prove anything. Many aspects of the case people accept as credible evidence against her, wasn't at all. Merely accusations. Just as one example of many, the claim that she cleaned the sink. No evidence. Zip. Anyone could have run water and washed the blood off in the chaos that ensued with everyone in the house contaminating the crime scene, running around kicking broken glass over blood trails. So many of the prosecution's claims were easily dismissed with a modicum of common sense.
@@username-gd6sz there was no "every One in the house contaminating the crime scene" . The counter had blood all around it, the underside of the cabinet handles had blood on the, as to the inside of the cabinet where the cleaning supplies were kept, the drain had bkoid in it. But the inside of the sink was spotless, until luminol was sprayed in it Darlie admitted in her testimony that there were only two possibilities: either it was an intruder or it was her. There was zero evidence of any intruder. Darlie as a defendant may not have to prove there was an intruder, but Darlie the witness made it pretty clear that if there wasn't evidence for an intruder, the only other possible suspect was her.
@@kevinmichael2593 Wrong. There were cops and EMS running around the house unconcerned about crime scene contamination, kicking broken glass over blood trails, only to have the scumbag DA's office knowing lie about it. Once again, there's nothing sinister about darlie being at the sink wetting towels or whatever else. You just want to portray it as such because the case lacked any evidence. Anyone could have also used the sink as well, splashing water on the clean smooth stainless steel sides and into the drain. There's no evidence it was cleaned. Just more prosecurial desperation. Plenty of evidence of an intruder. Slashed window screen, broken furniture, sock in ally way, bloody fingerprint. ANYONE with your level of bias could deny the evidence in the vast majority of crime scenes, claiming the victim staged it. Because often, it would about impossible to determine if that were the case or not. Where's you evidence that it all was staged? Right. There isn't any. That's the entire theme of this joke of a trial. Darlie was convicted before she walked into the court room. Evidence wasn't required. The prosecution simply made up theories, spewed claims, and everyone just accepted it as fact. Why did the state fight tooth and nail to keep the bloody print from being run on the FBI data base? Easy. They didn't want their case to fall apart when it showed to be someone that never should have been in that house. It still may not have been run. I can't find that info anywhere. Why did the state refuse supply the fibers from the butter knife to the defense for analysis? Conveniently, they claimed there weren't enough. Isn't that handy? Why should anyone believe them, then? They lied repeatedly during the trial. Why did they claim the mulch was below the window of entry, when it wasn't? Why did they claim the dust on the window sill would have to be disturbed when it was inches off the ground and easily stepped over? Why did the nurses lie and say darlie showed no emotion when their own notes said she was crying much of the time? Got the answers to those questions. The DA's office was rotted with corruption.
Yeah. A lot of people mistake their beliefs for knowledge. BTW, feel free to report me for saying what you don't want to hear. It takes me about 1 minute to open my account again.
You know Darlie did it but you never understood why.. Now doesn't that tell you something? Maybe in the back of your mind you know she didn't? Have you listened to anyone explain this case that feels she's innocent? People that go over all the blood evidence, the entire case? If you do i think you might question her guilt.
@@bdlimea7018 Not this person as far as I know, but I just lost my account yesterday arguing against the Guiltiers. Especially if you make a good case, they become enraged and mass report you after having a troll melt down. It's actually funny how they completely close their minds. Sure, I have to start from scratch everytime, but these sewer rats aren't going to shut down my free speech. BTW, in case you didn't know, Google doesn't care that people want to censor your right to express yourself. They just go by the amount of reports.
@@username-gd6sz I have found that it is impossible for the guilters to listen to another side. They seriously think she had a fair trial, for one thing. If one of them were on trial for murder i wonder if they would be ok with the court clerk making 33k errors in the transcript? Yes, it was "fixed". By someone who wasn't at the trial and refused to certify a portion of it. She had the right to an accurate and complete record!! The judge sent an inaccurate record to the appeals court. I know if that would have been me i would have expected a mistrial. But of course its ok with these people because it is Darlie. They argue anything and everything that was clearly not ok. They can't admit that mistakes were made. I just hope the Innocence Project helps exonerate her or at least a new trial!!
The thing that bothers me is Darren arranging for a robbery of his own home, in order to commit insurance fraud. There is some link from that and this case. It all happened in the same week. (Darren discussing with someone to carry out this robbery). People do desperate things when they are about to lose their home. I am AMAZED that the bread knife debris was not tested so that either side could say with definition that it came from the screen or it did not. WHY??? why was it not tested? That of course leads to another theory - Darren cut the screen to let the robbers that he organised in.
The screen fibre was examined microscopically. Any chemical testing of such a minute sample may has destroyed the sample: then there'd be 28 years of Darlie's supporters whining about "destruction of evidence). The fibre matched the screen to within two tenths the width of a human hair. That's pretty precise.
Assuming all the rest of the evidence is reliable - and it seems to me that it is, the sock is a mere afterthought. But even if one thinks the sock is important, why does the sock belong to the husband? If the sock belongs to the husband, why would an intruder grab a random household sock with the boys' blood, run out of the house, for 75 yards (225 ft), drop the sock, then return to the crime scene to slash Darlie's throat? The sock has only the children's blood and not hers. It's nonsensical. What DOES make sense, to me, is that SHE took a sock from inside the house, ran out and dropped it in an effort to claim that an intruder ( for some damn reason) took a sock with blood evidence and just dropped it as he absconded into the night. Once she dropped the sock, she came back and slashed her own throat. Apparently, she thought "evidence" of the murder outside of the house would lend credence to her intruder story. Which it didn't.
That thumbnail still from the video shows a face with glee written all over it. It's a face that can change depending on the question she's asked from a reporter. Darlie could/can do this changeling thing with her face that could go from the real Darlie who was happy after her sons were dead, smacking gum and cutting it up with her sister, and then the fake Darlie who wanted to convince everyone that she was sad with her little girl voice, eyes drooping & head titled to the side. It's an annoying & creepy trait of hers. I realize all people mourn in different ways, but the woman in the thumbnail was definitely not one of them, in my opinion.
While I do believe she is guilty, there are still a ton of things that don't make sense. For starters, why did she murder them with her husband upstairs? Wasn't she afraid he might catch her in the act? Was it a spur of the moment decision? And if so, what triggered it?
I think if you realized what a sham the trial was you'd rethink your belief in this one. But yes, this is a point the lynch mob would prefer to gloss over. In most or all other cases, to my understanding anyway, the moms that killed their children had all kinds of emotional issues. Susan Smith for example, was a religious nut job, at times barely in touch with reality. Others had a history of child abuse. Despite the prosecution's desperate attempts at character assassination, the results were pitiful. She was an an average young mom with run of the mill average problems. It was the prosecution's claim that money problems would cause a mom to dispose of her children. This displays HIS jaw dropping depravity. Not hers. It's a flat out rediculious theory that a seemly well adjusted woman would just snap and kill her kids without any apparent planning or concern of being caught.
To people with Common Sense: An average Mom who paid $600 for a headstone for a cat. An average Mom who behaved very differently than all the Moms on earth by celebrating graveside birthday, smiling gleefully only 8 days after 2 horrible murders of 'babies', an Average Mom who chases an intruder in her house, unarmed (Darlie,) an average Mom who showed very little sadness at trial when photos and descriptions of Boys' deaths were shown, an average Mom who wasn't cradling Damon as she hollering that he's dying. No she's giving an alibi saying she's messed up the prints and a man or two that she never saw face or faces of, broke in. Yeah she's AVERAGE. Use the good sense your Momma gave you!
Postpartum psychosis. Plus she's a psychopath who can't feel emotions like normal people. I know a man who married someone just like that, a psychopath. After she murdered him, she was having a party at the funeral home. It was shocking to see, to say the least.
Wow Brett! Having a baby is a pretty permanent thing to judge whether google is listening to me or not, no?!? 😂😂😂 Amazing episode as always guys. Big love from Ireland Xx
She convicted herself. No mother laughs on camera ONE WEEK AFTER HER CHILDREN DIE A TERRIBLE BRUTAL DEATH EVEN IF THEY HAD A SOLEMN EVENT FIRST. ITS ALL ABOUT HER. not those poor dead little boys !!! Insurance scam that went wrong.
I didn't quite understand the complaints pertaining to sponsor advertisments until the third one cropped up during the narrative. Of course channels need the sponsoring, but having three within the first hour was pushing the viewers' patience to the utmost - and it made me postpone subscribing and supporting the channel at a later date if this method is actually the norm for the channel. Hence I will review other videos before making those decisions, but I was impressed with the narrative and discussions relating to this horrific case - one which I have studied more closely than any other and am convinced that Darlie attacked and murdered her two poor little boys.
50:19 Yes, in the first several minutes after the attack, nothing prevented Damon from moving or speaking. The lungs filled with fluid slowly; injuries to the lung, liver, and spleen do not gush or spurt, they ooze, and it takes time. The medical examiner plainly said this in the pretrial hearing to hold Darlie without bail.
@@tracievendetta1908 Yes. Comparatively slowly. His lungs were punctured, they don't deflate fast like a balloon, they slowly deflate. The blood doesn't gush, it oozes. Damon could have lived longer than they 8 minute time line. There really isn't a timeliness, except for what Darlie says. That poof baby.
Nah it was her shady husband that was behind it. I do not think she did it. when I’m in shock or Denial I can act like nothing is wrong untill it wears off and hits me. emotions are not just black and white.
I have been following this case for a very long time. I have read the Court transcripts the coroner's report and the autopsy report, including all the statements that Darlene. Her husband made there is no way this woman is innocent
I’m Scottish and I just love this guys southern accent. Wonder what area the accent is from. I’m trying to find something to prove to me one way or the other if she did it.
Also cleaned up blood in the sink based on a luminol spray correct? If so doesn’t luminol react the same/similar with liminol? If so she could have cleaned her sink with bleach/ or used bleach to mop a stain on the floor n dumped the bucket in the sink or cleaner some stains from white clothes in her sink with bleach water and just wiped the sink dry when done it would look similar I would think
Please watch Behind Criminal Minds take on this case. Her husband told people he wanted to pay someone to rob his house for insurance money. I think he’s involved.
Why would there be a need to wet towels, before placing them on your dying child?! You would just grab dry towels and place them where needed!! And the evidence on the serrated knife?! And other points brought out, from all I've read and heard in the past - appears that she's guilty. Never heard a podcast from y'all, before, but glad I came across it! Am proud of Brett wanting to give up drinking and sticking to it. If you decide to drink again, just do so in moderation! 💖
This is a detail supporters act as if it is a normal thing to do, wet towels for wound compression. There's no reason at all to wet the towel. It's wasting valuable time and can make it bleed more, not less.
It makes the towel more able to stop oxygen leaking through the towel if you wet it. They were trying to stem the flow of oxygen leaving the body during CPR through the wounds. A dry towel would not work.
The problem with 'expert' witnesses, are they give the evidence YOU want the to. The defence pay an 'expert' for their side, and the prosecution, pay an 'expert' to put across their side. Two or more experts that give opposite reasons. I think in today's psychology, an "expert' would be able to explain the fact that she cannot remember the trauma.
Not necessarily, many times defense attorneys hire their own experts but never have them testify during the trial. Why? Because they know their own experts will agree with the prosecutor. In fact, that even happened in Darlie Routier's trial. Her attorneys hired blood spatter analysts, but never had them testify.
@@bdlimea7018 Let's consider that. Could it be an unimaginably horrifying event that's disturbed memory retention? The survey says yes. Not in the least uncommon. One of the reasons the woman's sitting on death row is that she's, quite frankly, not terribly sophisticated. Instead of relating her fragmented mess of a memory as fact, she would have been better served by realizing her memory was faulty, and admitting that. Perhaps she did, and was scared that would be even worse. Who knows?
6/6/96. Kinda weird. I’m a forensic psychologist and you can pretty much tell who the murderer is when all the family members who die are absolutely just butchered/overkilled but the one who survives has something like a paper cut. Jeffrey MacDonald in 1970, Darlie Routier in 1996, and countless other familicides over the past 100 years in the U.S.. It’s always an interesting thing for me to evaluate the family member who ends up being the murderer and continue to see their lack of insight. In spite of clear evidence of their guilt, they are just shocked that anyone believes they were responsible for murder. The family murderer always thinks they’re smarter than everyone, especially the police. But as in the cases of MacDonald and Routier, they both missed important, necessary facts in creating their ‘ murder narratives’ because neither one was an experienced murderer nor had either one previously suffered a violent attack in their own homes at the hands of an intruder who had direct experience of how such crimes tend to occur. The thought processes are just fascinating to me.
Well I presented this case with my friend on her channel Truth and Justice Channel and followed it for years. I’ve always thought she was innocent but her husband isn’t. He either had it done or was involved in some things which caused it to be done. My sticking point was always the silly string incident. That’s just weird for a mom. But the sock!!! And there was no way she had time and she’s not a criminal mastermind so… You’ve done an excellent job here. Keep up the good work. I may change my mind before this is over.
She did it. She cut the screen with the bread knife, put it back in the wood block and selected the butcher knife. Stabbed the boys, planted the sock, cut herself at the sink, noticed Damon still moving across the family room and inflicted his fatal wound(s). Broke the wine glass, screamed and called 911. The sock contains her DNA in the inside toe area, and the boys' blood on the outside. It implicates only her. No one else can be forensically attached to it. If you read Dr Townsend-Parchman's testimony, you'll find the "timing" is just another misinformation tactic by the defense. It was Mulder who pressed her to estimate the timing of Damon's survivability, to which she answered, "you can't tell".
The silly string incident Is something I wrote off as her way of dealing with her grief. It was her kid's birthday and everybody deals with things differently. I don't think it was in any way pointing to her guilt.
Isn't that funny, not one spec of physical forensic evidence that you could take Darin to trial yet you believe he did it or set it up. Did he set up Darlie to do it? Because she is the killer no one else. No evidence of any unknown male or woman was found in that home so how did Darin have it done?
What commotion? The boys were stabbed in their sleep. It’s not like she was chasing them around the house with a knife. Also, Darin was all the way upstairs and the disturbance to the house was minimal so it wouldn’t have made much noise. All she did in terms of staging was overturn the vacuum, set the flower arrangement on the table on its side, skew a lampshade and break a wine glass, which is what woke Darin up.
I went to learn more about this and saw Darlie’s bruises. Someone needs to explain to me how in the world did she hurt her forearms like that. It appears to me they are defensive wounds. She was a wreck. Also why would anyone do this? What is the point? All I know for sure is those poor beautiful boys deserved to grow up. Idk who did it but they’re gone. I want the Mom to be innocent. Those bruises tell me she was attacked.
I think a deranged man or men on drugs could have hurt her and the boys. If a man on spice or whatever can eat a man’s face off 🧟♂️ Then a man could have had gloves on and stabbed the mom and two little children.
And she slept through it? She was in the hospital for three days and the hospital personnel said there was no bruising. Look up vids on UA-cam of women bruising themselves and then blaming their husband/ boyfriend.
I don’t know if this is accurate or not but I read Darlie was not admitted with those bruises but they came after being admitted. That it came from the IV’s and this had happened to her before in hospital getting IV’s with severe bruising. Her neck wound and bruising are what made me think she could be innocent until I heard she got the bruises later, but her bazaar behavior, so giddy and talking like a baby is what gives me doubt. I’m leaning towards postpartum psychosis or a sociopath but who knows.
I went through and read the complete trial transcripts from start to finish and according to the testimony of a number of medical professionals who cared for Darlie on the night of the murders, there was no bruising on her arms. They also testified that based on the color, etc of the bruises in the photos taken by law enforcement, those bruises would have occurred within the last 24 hours before the photos were taken and would have been caused by blunt force trauma. The photos were not taken until days after the crime. The belief is that she actually did whatever she did to create the bruises during the time period between the night of the murders and when the photos were taken by police, due to the fact that she feared that they were onto her. They also testified that if they were defensive wounds, they would appear on the opposite side of her arm
I always thibk about this point you made about how she would wake up just by the baby moving, but yet slept through herself and kids being stabbed?!😂 Also like you guys mentioned why the hell would you chase him at that point unless you had a gun or something! Please. 🤚 So many inconsistencies!
I think you'd like to see them as inconsistencies. Maternal instinct would give her the incentive to run the attacker off. No one that murders their kids would come up with a story like that. They'd go plain vanilla, stock Hollywood script. That's what makes it credible. In the trauma of that horror, that's how she experienced it. I've no doubt that there were chunks of memory gone. That's generally the case. The mind goes into shock, and things go haywire.
Just as one of the jurors spoke on the Lessa gibbons talk show" Darlies son were feet away from her, how could she not hear her children being stabbed, again like she said If that were my sons, You may have hurt the one son , but they would had to go through Me to get to my second son... There is No way she slept through them being Brutality Slaughtered, without waking her up !! Again she was sliced her sons were slaughtered, Hugh difference !!
@Carrie Day Exactly!! ESPECIALLY how she herself said she slept downstairs that night because the baby would always wake her up just by turning. Everything she says .ames no sense and her 2 different stories about how she woke up.
My home was broken into or out of. All doors were locked. My husband and I got home a bit after midnight. I went to the bathroom. My husband went to the bedroom, turned on the ac in the window....emptied his pockets walked passed the bathroom and went to his bathroom at the front on the house. I heard a loud banging noise. Thought he ran into an ironing board. I played on my phone for a bit...walked out the bathroom into my bedroom. Someone had pushed/pulled the window unit out. They stole my husband's phone and some cash. That's all. This all happened within 5 minutes of us get home..OR LESS!!! If I had nor played on my phone I would have seen the intruder. If they had harmed me....MY EX HUSBAND WOULD BE IN PRISON. No fingerprints were ever found. We had guns in the bedroom...they were never touched. Intruders do all kinds of weird things. We still don't know how they got it. It happened so fast...and they KNEW we were home!
Interrogators are very good at detecting truth and deception. They probably would have offered him a polygraph as well. There would have been no evidence pointing to him since he didn't do it. I seriously doubt he would have even been charged. But man! Sorry you went through that! That was a close call!
The only thing that makes me question her guilt these past years is that if guilty she’s the most unintelligent, or unaware, or completely abstracted criminal! She’d have to think LE the most credulous of mortals with all the strange evidence they find, and the things she says… I get the feeling that this series is going to follow in form the Prosecutors’ S. Peterson series. Lots of points which are moot individually, but all together end in a guilty verdict for the accused.
Have you ever heard of the case of Shayna Hubers? If not, I highly recommend watching one of the many UA-cam videos on her case. In terms of intellect, and just complete and overall cluelessness, she makes Darlie Routier look like Einstein. No joke! If you should decide to watch a video about her, please come back and comment, letting me know what you thought.
@@pamelajackson69 I didn’t recognize her name, but started watching a show and recognized her as the chick who said she had to shoot multiple times because she couldn’t stand to see him suffer after the first shot hit. Plus that he wanted a nose job so she gave it to him. Craaazzy! I’m only glad in her case that they didn’t have any children, right? I agree that DR was more organized or criminally savvy that SH. I don’t see many fans the way DR has either…
Ah yes, Carla Faye Tucker, the woman that repented, found god, and became a loving and kind person by ALL accounts. That's who you rejoice in killing. You right wingers may possibly be the worst people on the planet. Just rotten to the core.
That said, the violent death of a child can cause emotional reactions which can affect the judgment of even trained & experienced professionals. Most people will desperately want to believe a child can survive, even to the point that their judgment is clouded.
I’m late to the party. But, one of my main hang ups on this case has always been Damon still being alive and therefore potentially able to say “it was my mom.” But, I never knew Darin hadn’t found a pulse. I still struggle with Mary and the two guys. The coincidence of that occurring so similarly, so close and in such a close time frame is tough to ignore. Everything else points to her guilt to me.
I was a volunteer EMT and also was medic at regattas and sailing events. I’ve had deeper cuts from stainless steel cables than what she has no neck. I get why they rushed her to surgery w other deaths but if an EMT has cleaned her wound there, clearly would of seen how superficial it was. I mean the steri strips give it way. It wasn’t deep enough to stitch, like her arm, nor even a continual laceration. Saw her shirt and even though you say she cut some veins, neck wounds, I’ve seen, unless major blood vessel cut, don’t bleed like that unless adrenaline is pumping. If she ran sick down wherever, came home, stabbed last child one more time than cut herself last, did they map out CS where who’s blood was were like MacDonald case? Seems that would of been a good idea considering her versions of events. Also noted on husband & wife’s first statements, DR said husband came down w jeans on & no glasses. Husband said he ran down w glasses & later put on jeans. His version sounds more likely. He also seems unaware wife was stabbed. So when he first came down she didn’t have as much blood on her shirt? Was her hysterical call for almost 7 mins to get blood flowing? It’s the steri strips that 🚨me. I haven’t read much but sleeping boys stabbed in downward position & if she’s laying on her back and phone is showing correct angle & side, how did the killer “slice” her throat like that if she’s flat on back? First if he was at her side the angle is wrong, was he on top of her & raked knife. Left to right, in downward angle, ending around armpit? Now if he was behind her & had knife to throat & pulled upward, it would be deeper & in line. This looks like two different cuts. It’s not a continual line from one to other. If she’s right handed it would explain the shallow aspect and the two cuts. The upper cut would look more like a throat slitting but the lower cut looks like easier angle for a right handed person trying to cut themselves w left hand. If there was a killer w a butcher knife, in the dark, w possible TV only, why would he stab down at them & slice at her? Makes no sense like MacDonald case. Why leave the strongest alive who can stop or describe you? Makes no sense.
She lost half of her blood supply so the cuts were not superficial (medical report). How did blood pool on the neckline of her shirt and halfway down her back if she wasn't laying down? There was blood on the sofa and a pillow. Where did her underwear go and what happened to partial r*pe test? Killer likely got her first, she passed out from shock but he thought she was gone. Julie Rae was also found guilty since the killer stab her with the kitchen knife he took from the home? Turned out it was serial killer Tommy Lynn Sells. Contributing factors: Perjury, false accusations and official misconduct the same as Darlie's case.
The dust and fibers on the bread knife don’t mean that Darlie must havekilled those boys, only that reasonable probability states someone in the home cut the screen and Darlie’s statements are incorrect. Her veracity throughout is on its way off the deep end. My only problem is what all the lies actually mean.
see the statement you made is one from a realist POV you are correct and if you think about cutting a screen with a breadknife i just dont see the logic , it would have indented the screen and made it banged up , if darlie did it why pick the most blunt edged knife , why wouldnt she mention the screen at all , and why not just knock it out of the window frame like the boys used to do everytime they snuck in to steal popcicles....and if there is an explanation which there is then why would people preach it like its gospel . the bottom line is some of us dont believe everything LE says and we axctually think of the possibilities you will ffind that even though darlie is on death row there are people who are obsessed with her and they like to write pages and pages of their "opinion" usually repeating things that dont make sense . but what you said is a logical response because it really doesnt make sense so i commend you for thinking outside of the box . This crime scene wasnt processed effectivly so that right ther is enough for any logical person with a realist standpoint to question that part of the case .I wish that it was the only part of this case that is a hack job but sadly everything that is mentioned as "Proof " are easily debunkable. The fibers on the screen were uestioned to be fibers from the fingerprinting brush and even though the fibers were similar to the fingerprinting brush no further testing was completed to prove it so they said "its probley the bread knife that cut the screen" and never proved it but stuck it in there to look like she staged the scene . She didnt even know the screen was cut so if she did it , she probley would have said something about it . just too suspicious for me to not see reasonable doubt
I don’t think the murders were for life insurance, I think it was a planned murder-suicide, only she wasn’t able to go thru with the suicide part. There were problems in the marriage, there were major money problems, which she prob blamed him for…lots of stress, and I think post partum depression and maybe the known severe psychological side effects of the diet meds she was taking. She would not be the first parent to do this to hurt their spouse. The motive the prosecution put forth may have not been right, it was more of a rage killing. But the blood/forensic evidence doesn’t lie.
My God that lil ole lady in the beginning of the presentation is seriously bad ass!!😳👊🏻 I woulda called 911 if 2 guys came to my door then were seen at my window @2am!! HANDS DOWN ID CALL!!😆smh lol
In postmortem care you have to roll the body to get the air out when they die and they take big gasps like that. It sounds like they are alive but it’s just the air releasing. There can be gurgling and such for minutes after death.
I know this is going to sound morbid, but i make Halloween props, including my own recipe of fake blood. Just for kicks. I grabbed one of my large chef's knifes, covered the flat edge with fake blood, and ran the bloody edge of the knife across my own throat. The result? A slash/wound pattern exactly like the one on Darlie's - the angle was almost exactly the same. I can't even imagine why an intruder would stab the boys, but slash her, but even if a murderer would have had a notion to change his mode, that slash mark would be hard to duplicate if she were on the couch, and the intruder was looming over her. No, sir. That slash is ridiculously consistent with a self-inflicted slash.
I'm glad you used that pic of Darlie for your thumbnail. It shows what an airhead she is, and also the happiness in her eyes. Her sons have just been stabbed to death in the most brutal way, yet she's fine. She's also saying, "people's gossip is the worst evil in the world." Really, Darlie? I would've thought people who kill children would be the worst evil in the world.
In her 911 call it sounds like she says "I just stabbed me and my children ( not THEY) the 2nd time she says it. Also she totally skips over the fight or struggle she had with the person who stabbed her.
Darlie Routier is guilty without a doubt of the murders of her sons Devon and Damon
This is what she wore to the prayer service. Total respect for the boys - why get dressed when I can wear cutoffs and a Tee.
You’re so correct. Her and Darrin are such ding dongs. Very cringe worthy people but you’re so right… Darlie is an airhead and she is happy her burdens are gone. So tragic
@@kristis4147from the 911 call until the police arrive, all her yelling. She never once asked about Drake. Because she knew the answer
It is incredible that Darlie did not scream and wake Darin until she was talking to the 911 operator and the supposed intruder was gone.
She was muffled if you read every piece of evidence you would know her insides of her lips were like chewed up meat but they failed to bring that evidence up cause it didn't help there cause against her all the evidence is not strong enough to sentence to death especially on character alone
Excellent podcast, finally someone who reads the transcripts and uses them.
The transcripts have 33 thousand errors
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They used to have 33,000 errors. I don’t find that acceptable at all but it is a non issue now.
Because, a. It did not affect the jury verdict. The jurors were read back a part of Darin’s testimony, and it was actually accurate. b. Both the prosecution and defense signed off on the trial transcripts. If the errors did not get fixed, why didn’t her defense refuse to sign off on them?
Transcripts has left out evidence
I feel like there is something strange with her husband.
Yes, there is. He was married to, and had children with a psychopath.
Definitely.he’s 150 percent involved
@@juliegreen7396no he is as asleep upstairs absolutely no evidence to the contrary and if he was involved earlier would give him up in a second
What threw me off is how the husband heard glass shatter from upstairs but heard no commotion at the time of killing spree.
Because Darrin had to match what Darlie was saying. Listen to his interviews, they change as much as Darlie's.
Darin woke up when she broke the glass, Shes guilty as sin @@raynekimi2755
On the sleeping, that part I totally get, I slept thru a car hitting 3 pine trees in my front yard. My bedroom window was only 28 ft from the trees. Being a very sound sleeper I understand, but his story changing dont add up.
Darlie did this, THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY EVIDENCE THAT PROVES HER INNOCENCE. the neighbor's story about the 2 men at her home held no cup of water. she was a Darlie supporter. there was no timeline either.
Only an hour ago I was looking for a decent podcast or documentary on Darlie Routier and I couldn't find one. I just came back to UA-cam to find something else and bingo! Just like that, here you wonderful people are. I'm fair dinkum chuffed right now! I have something new from you guys to listen to while I give my dog a haircut, and it's on the very case I'm currently hooked on. Best day ever ❤️
She might have been half asleep after the attack and just walking around twitch no rhyme or reason. Why and how would she slit her own throat? That’s pretty horrific.
@@lauraburger1272 Sometime take a look at the lululemon murder/robbery. Details of that case are enough to completely shake your faith in the self aggrandizement of Today’s Criminal.
@Sarah Sarah haha, my hat’s off to you, If I tried to give my dog a haircut whilst listening to true crime podcast, dog would be looking like it got jumped by a weedwacker! 🤣
@@grimtt he looks like that with or without the podcast 😆😆
@@lauraburger1272 why stab your own lung like Macdonald did?
Staging maybe?
Darlie wrote she was suicidal. So either?
A lesser injury would have removed doubt completely.
Everyone would know killer wouldn't just beat up her arms and stab 1 arm.
She definitely is guilty and definitely deserves the sentence she received
I saw an interview with her from prison. She says " I faught with him, he slit my throat or whatever, and I passed out" If he slit her throat and she passes back out on the couch where the hell is all the blood on the couch?
Exactly! It's at the sink, which then got cleaned up. She changed her story only after she saw they took the sink as evidence. She then added that she went over to the sink to wet towels. There still should be a lot of blood on the sofa though!
'He slit my throat OR WHATEVER '. She's truly an atrocious liar.
people always say "she couldn't have staged that, she was so close to hitting the carotid artery" and I've always replied "you think that dumb blonde knows what a carotid artery is???" She's like a second grader.
She is right where she belongs
DAM RIGHT !
The barking Pomeranian would have gone BERSERK if someone broke in! The dog never shut up when the officers searched the house!
I must say -- I thought I knew all about this case, because it's been carefully researched and has been out there for so many years, but you did a fantastic job in uncovering more details as well as providing sharp analysis/interpretation. Well done!
OMG, thank you so much also for discussing the placement of Damon's body!! To me, that never made much sense if he was sleeping there, (he couldn't see the TV from there, and why sleep in a place where he's so likely to be tripped over) but it did make sense in the context that perhaps his brother was attacked first, and he tried to escape and was chased down and attacked where he fell. Or, as you said, that he tried to crawl away. Both scenarios are almost unthinkably horrific and tragic, but sadly they do seem to make sense to me.
It always makes me think of how Andrea Yates described how she had to chase the last of her children that she killed through her house before finally catching him.
Blood evidence shows Damon was attacked twice.
@@candiceparr4174 It does really seem as though that's possible, at least from what I've been able to find. But I fully admit I'm no CSI or expert. It is interesting to know that other people think this was what happened, though! Thank you for this reply!
@@candiceparr4174 I think she stabbed him and thought he was dead or dying. Then went to plant the sock, came back to see he was alive and crawling towards the doorway and finished him off. She is a sick human being
@@MarissaB22 I agree. This has never been a mystery or a whodunit. It's only difficult to people who try to play game in their head and pretend there was an intruder. There wasn't. It also wasn't the silly string that convicted her all by itself. I was a ton of blood evidence. She's where she should be
I think misogyny convicted her
First Darlie took a knife from the kitchen to cut the window screen, then put it back and grabbed a bigger knife to commit the crime. why would a killer put a knife back in the holder and grab another knife? Darlie then put a sock on her hand while she murdered her sons, then ran it down the street to drop it. The sock only had Devon and Damons blood on it. it had Darlie's and Darrin's DNA on it though, there's a difference. If Darlie was attacked like she said she was there would have been her blood too on it. it took the investigators 4 mins walking back and forth, so she had plenty of time to run 3 houses down. She ran back and cut herself by the sink with her apposing arm to make it appear she was attacked by an intruder from behind. She started staging the crime scene, and Darrin woke up when she broke the glass on the floor before she called 911, that's when the timeline started. she had lots of time to stage it. Darlie's blood and footprints were on the bottom of the broken glass too. Darlie's feet would have had cuts on them if the glass was broken during a struggle. where were the intruder's footprints? and why would an intruder murder those little boys so viciously first and then go after Darlie? her wounds were not as bad as she claims. those boys were butchered! Her neck wound did not require stiches, and she was only in ICU because the police wanted to question her without the press, her family allowed those pics to be taken. after she was arrested, she wrote a letter from jail clamming to know who the intruder was, when confronted on the stand she admitted to lying about it. Her story makes no sense. as of 2023 Darlie's new defense is trying to blame Darrin for some insurance scam. Darrin had a 200 thousand life insurance policy on her, the boys had 5 grand each on them. If Darrin really set, her up why wasn't she killed first? more money for him..... theres so much more don't be fooled by Darlie she is monster and deserves no sympathy..
Love this channel! Best podcast! Point, blank.
Do yourself a favor and watch RICH PRATER his UA-cam 43 episodes that deeply show real investigation that he got now the innocence project has it and it’s not what is being said on this channel
@@yalandareeves3159 The IP are crooks. Nearly 50% of offenders released by them are reconfirmed by DNA evidence to have committed the crime. This includes sexual predators, pedophiles, and sexual homicide offenders.
Many major problems with Darlie's version of events... the first one is thatshe chased after the intruder. Any normal woman would run in the opposite direction.
No, she said that she "walked" after him... walked.
I would run to my children. If the intruder was leaving, I’d let him leave, and I’d get my kids. Nothing Darlie says, makes any sense.
I think she guilty but Ido think going after someone would be a parental instinct.. you can face a lot when it's a threat to your kids
I find it hard to imagine that Damon could walk, but also that he would walk over to the couch with the man standing right there at the couch. Also the man would have seen him going to his mother. But still the guy would just walk away leaving 2 witnesses. When you listen to Darlie on the 911 call she is screaming hysterically. But she wants us to believe that she fought with an intruder in her house and chased after him but never made a single sound, that would alert Darin or even her dog.
That's because her story about Damon talking to her is another ridiculous lie! After all the damning evidence against her, the jury tried very hard to see just a 'glimpse' of a grieving mother...which is why they asked to watch that horrible BD party at the gravesite! They saw nothing! Darlie likes to tell everyone from the last 27 years that she was convicted because of silly string! She called the press for this outrage....I hope for her sake only before she leaves this life, she truly tells the truth and realizes to ask forgiveness and deserves her punishment...
Damon was stabbed four times in both lungs, two in each…. I am positive, he would not have been able to speak. Darlie said that Damon said “wake up, Mommy” and she told him to “hold on, baby” and he said “ok, Mommy” I’m telling you, this conversation did not happen.
Wasn't looking for this case but so happy to see you on board!
I was hoping you would talk about this case. Best crime podcast!
I saw the documentary on this case but, you had me at, " did the cops get it right." 👂 Great show guys. Her story has way to many inconsistencies....dumb ones.
My only question is when will Darlie be executed?🤔
I understand the prosecutor and the police don't care whether she did it or not even if she is executed so remember you can't bring an innocent person back this case isn't straightforward got an interesting fact for you though the prosecutor as given darlie a deal you admit it we will give you life without parole strange that they pushed for the death penalty originally
Is it just me or do Darlie and her supporters seem to care a lot more about getting her out of prison than finding out who killed tnose inmocent children? They talk about that. Maybe because they all know she did it
That is exactly something I have picked up on as well.
Why would the murderer have a bloody sock on him as he exited the house?
Seems like an obvious misdirection to throw the police off
It stuck to the gum on the bottom of his shoe 🙄
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Really? Because he killed the kids and got blood on him. Is your next question why are socks worn on feet?
@@username-gd6sz then it’s somehow a miracle that Darlies blood wasn’t on that sock too considering how much blood she tracked around that house
Every show about this baby killer has so many of their "facts" wrong.
The cut on her neck was superficial and did not require sutures. The carotid is buried underneath a muscle, which would have to be cut to get to it. No doctor ever said how close (much less the 2mm lie) she came to the carotid and of course it was not nicked as they claim.
Thank you.
Actually, the trial transcripts show Dr Alejandro Santos testified the laceration extended to the carotid sheath and the 2 millimeter info is agreed to several times. Still guilty, but the 2mm is agreed to by the doctor on the witness stand. He also calls her wounds superficial, as opposed to deep.
I love everything about the prosecutors; from their accent, the way they speak, their content and the music.
I am a DIE HARD true crime buff and I just found this channel. THUMBS UP !!!
She’s guilty as hell.ppl kill their kids all the time without any sort of motive.the one thing that really annoys me is how ppl point to the severity of her neck injury as proof of innocence.like she couldn’t have misjudged how deep she did it?the neck is a vulnerable place and why wasn’t she stabbed like her sons then?too many things point to her
Of course she's guilty. The evidence is overwhelming and she lied constantly trying to explain it away.
Yeah, she could be really stupid, and that’s why she almost died.
@@grimtt She didn't almost die, she wasn't in any danger whatsoever of dying. She had a shallow slash wound to her neck with two hesitations I might add and a slash wound to her arm, both self-inflicted.
So true
Her neck was barely scratched. They put steri-strips on it.
Darlie should get together with Dr Jeffrey MacDonald.
They are actually both innocent, both crimes were satanic rituals. But the satanic Freemason police are not gonna let you know that. So just go ahead and stay asleep.
@@RedLeo-pf9yo 24 jurors disagree with you
Yaaaas! I was hoping to see this case! You made my day! Love you two, my fav podcasters! Now I will listen. 😁
Damon was stabbed in two separate areas and in two separate attacks. The second set of stab wounds start the 9:00 time clock.
How do you know? Seriously I'm curious because I have not heard about this.
@@UnderCver-bd1xh I commend you for questioning how anyone can know something is a fact enough to state it as a "fact". And with all do respect to the original poster of this comment , unfortunately you will see ALOT of this sprinkled through out the comment section of literally every single video on this case, and you might notice a trend with the people and repeated remarks . They usually are just stating something that they believe but type it as a fact . This always confused me to , until I caught on that they were just trying to be convincing .. Alot of the times you will see the same people and the same remarks . Even sometimes saying that they "know 100%" that she did this or that . In my experience when people use this type of dialogue it takes away from the validity of their statement . And another trend is hostile language towards a supporter. Its just an observation though , by all means I would recommend that you make your own observations . In this particular comment there are alot of supporters who say that Darlie wouldnt have had enough time to stage this crime so the supporters say that the timeline was based off of expert testimony stating that damon could have only lived up to 9 minutes after being stabbed , which after the 911 call really only leaves 1-2 minutes for her to do everything that the prosecution states she did. For example , the screen , the sock , i guess the vaccum , wine glass ect. So defense thinks there is not enough time in that window to perform all of this staging and also slit her own throat and inflict stab wounds upon herself . So this comment reflects the states side that she could have done all of these things because the timeline did not start until after she staged the scene because they believe she came back from staging the scene, saw damon still alive , and then stabbed him 2 more times , and they believe the 9 minute window started afterwards . So even on a good day that is speculation and you would have to believe that damon was stabbed 2 seperate times .and be sure that it was the "2nd " attack that provided the lethal injuries, which isnt possible for us to know. I hope I made sense and wasnt too confusing , the only reason I replied was bec I could see you genuinly wanted to know so I tried to give the most unbiased explanation that I could and explain both sides theories not just one :)
@@UnderCver-bd1xh because Damon left a clear, traceable path from where he was attacked to where he died. And at the door where he died there were blood marks on the wall onsocarong a second attack.
@@memedanyell2365 Has it not occurred to you that she would've done a lot of the staging before she attacked the boys and injured herself .
I think she stabbed the boys, ran the sock down the alley, went home where she discovered Damon wasn't dead, and stabbed Damon for the 2nd time.
wouldnt the sock have blood from Darlie if an unknown killer had transported it after he had slashed her. And why would an intruder kill the boys so violently before attacking the mother so mildly
Darlie ran the sock down the alley before she inflicted her owns wounds to herself. That's why their is none of her blood on the sock.
Warning long comment with lost of info!! The problem is she was on fen fen, the diet pill for months before the attack. The lawyers who did the lawsuit for the class action when they recalled fen fen said the vast majority of them had major memory issues, and sleep issues. 1 was a marine with 3 kids who supposedly used to wake up at the slightest sound before and after taking fen fen she slept through an F3 tornado in her neighborhood that almost ripped her house down (that part is hearsay and could be bs I understand that!) but there was another woman who was 4.0 gpa all through school and the last 3 years of collage but took Fen fen to loose weight for her last year of school and said she could no longer retain any info she studied and failed all her classes her last year of collage, others would call in and tell them they had only taken fen fen for 3 weeks then call a week later and say no I was wrong it was 6 weeks, another still who he had a sit down hour long conversation about how she wasn’t the same person anymore she was depressed and couldn’t remember things and would get really angry and yell at her family for no reason out do the blue but when he called her the following week she claimed over the phone that she didn’t really remember much of their conversation. He said the saddest part of that is fen fen did not report that their medication had a toxin in it that affected the brain in a big way but that they couldn’t do anything about that for any of the clients in the law suit with exception to the heart valve issues it was causing them and would cause them the rest of their lives. Now all of that SHOULD be able to be checked and verified BUT when it comes to memory and mood those are things people can/could fake, but if it is true could answer why her story changed so many times and why she was able to sleep through most of the attack. You never know.
Except Darlie testified that she didn't experience ANY major side effects.
Oh, and what they lawyer choose not to tell you: a more common effect of phen is sudden outbursts of rage.
He also almost doubled the length of time Darlie was taking the the drug. She was actually taking it, at most, for just over 2 months.
Not a fan of the sponsorships in the middle of murder discussions,but hey gotta make some coin ay.no hate just an observation
I had the same thoughts. I love you guys and want you to make money but the volume the ads in this particular podcast annoyed me
Maybe they shouldn’t do an ad read over a photo of the murder weapon?
I'm getting a bit pissed off with them sponsoring companies at the wrong bloody time they need to get it out of the way before they started the case
She didn't almost die, yes the cut was close and it could of been bad but it wasn't, also she never put a single towel on either boy , only on herself
I enjoyed the podcast minus the three sponsors. One is enough per podcast.
The sock never mattered to me, the sock was planted well in advance, I do believe that the sock was the FIRST thing planted. The sock had just a few blood spots from the kids when it probably should have been absolutely soaked with blood (if we are to believe that this 'man' used the sock on his hand instead of a glove?) I think that Darlie planted the sock first, and then came back to the house and did the rest of it. If Darlie didnt want to go through with it, the sock had such little blood that the neighbor probably would have just discarded the sock without telling anyone and it wouldnt have been a big deal.
That would also fit well with the timeline people always rabbit on about. If she planted the sock first, then put lamp and vase of flowers on the floor etc, she then had plenty of time for everything else. Including cleaning up some of the blood.
or that the sock was thrown by her husband, the police officer saw him going out , saying to fetch his nurse neighbour for help. But if Darlie went out to plant the sock first, wouldn't the night sensor (i read that they had such an equipment somewhere outside their house that will light up when strangers walked by, so if she ran out, wouldn't it be lightened up? But the witnesses said the light was not on (but worked properly) when they arrived on scene. so Could darlie run out without getting near to the light?
The police confirmed the light was working that night, and stayed on for eighteen minutes after being activated.
He absolute ludicrous that "sleep through" everyone's stabbing. This is the biggest boldest lie that alone I would be used to convict her. She is a liar. She can get women up by her son pressing on her shoulder but not being stabbed??!? Please!
Darin's initial statements were that he never checked Damon. In fact he didn't see Damon because he was focussed on getting to Devon.
I believe Darin on this one. Darlie was screaming Devon's name and he ran down in a panic looking for Devon: it's the moonwalking bear..
Devon was the only child still living.
@@username-gd6sz Devon was not alive. He died almost immediately
@@kevinmichael2593 So, you got it wrong. Darren was working on CPR on Damon. He never said be didn't see him.
@@username-gd6sz nope. You have it completely backwards. Darin was performing CPR of Devon, who was already dead.
Great job, guys. Darlie Routier is guilty and Darin Routier knew that almost immediately.
love your podcast, simple, to the point and you make this case easy to understand. I agree completely. great job!
She da lady who had a birthday party on her dead children’s graves?
Yep! Smiling, Laughing, and chewing gum, like a cow chewing cud! I had a very young baby when I saw her doing this, and I remember thinking “she DID IT” because I would be in a padded cell, sedated, if someone had done to my children, what she claims happened to hers. She did it, and she thought she’d get away with it!
Unh-uh , Darlie had superficial injuries according to 3 different physicians who examined her, not severe injuries.
Idk… 2 mm from her carotid doesn’t seem superficial to me….but hey, I’m no doctor so who knows…
yep, her neck didn't even need stiches.
Great podcast but could you put the next part on a link in the description. Part 2 link. I looked at the video playlist and it looks like part 3 is missing. Links would be helpful, please 🙂
Yay! NICU babies are something else. We have a 30 weeker, so our prayers are with you and your family Brett!
My son, was born at 29 weeks. I was told he’d be smaller, slower to reach milestones, and probably struggle with some learning. He is now 29 years old, in the Air Force, is 6’1”, and has a job that requires big brains. I can’t say what he does, but he definitely didn’t suffer from the scary things they warned he could suffer from. He’s a strong, intelligent and capable man. I’m exceedingly proud of him. I hope your little fighter has surpassed too, I’m sure he/she has. 🙏🏽🌹
A couple minutes in and just had to say I CANNOT wait to hear Brett and Alice's take on this case! Thanks, guys!
I'm old enough to distinctly remember when this happened and I'm still just as on the fence about reasonable doubt regarding her guilt as I was 25ish years ago. Without Susan Smith's highly publicized case and conviction right before the Routier boys were murdered, I wonder if the jury would have returned a different verdict? Not based on innocence, just based on examination of evidence presented (without interference from the heightened emotions thanks to Smith's callous antics). PS- so glad your baby boy is growing and thriving!! Been praying for him and your family 💙
Reasonable doubt is irrelevant. She lost her presumption of innocence in 1997 upon her guilty verdict. She'll need to present affirmative evidence of her innocence to the court now. Mere doubt is insufficient.
@@tsully4368 I agree.... I don't think she is innocent, I've just read a lot about different aspects of the case in court over the years, especially back in the late 90s, and whether or not the jury had been presented with inarguable evidence. It can toy with your logic! In the end I do think the jury made the right choice, almost always have, but there has always been so much debate with the case and some arguments seem incredibly valid and have made me think "hmmmmm...", which was exactly why used the phrase "on the fence" (regarding the trial, not her innocence), and why I was so excited to hear Brett and Alice discuss it. 😊
@@heidileigh7023 It's not a matter of innocence, it's a standard of proof that must be met in order to find for a guilty verdict. Reading the prevailing opinions of those in the prosecution's side, they keep talking about how the defense never proved an intruder was in the house, demonstrating how upside down this case was from the very beginning. It's not their burden to prove anything. Many aspects of the case people accept as credible evidence against her, wasn't at all. Merely accusations. Just as one example of many, the claim that she cleaned the sink. No evidence. Zip. Anyone could have run water and washed the blood off in the chaos that ensued with everyone in the house contaminating the crime scene, running around kicking broken glass over blood trails. So many of the prosecution's claims were easily dismissed with a modicum of common sense.
@@username-gd6sz there was no "every One in the house contaminating the crime scene" . The counter had blood all around it, the underside of the cabinet handles had blood on the, as to the inside of the cabinet where the cleaning supplies were kept, the drain had bkoid in it. But the inside of the sink was spotless, until luminol was sprayed in it
Darlie admitted in her testimony that there were only two possibilities: either it was an intruder or it was her. There was zero evidence of any intruder. Darlie as a defendant may not have to prove there was an intruder, but Darlie the witness made it pretty clear that if there wasn't evidence for an intruder, the only other possible suspect was her.
@@kevinmichael2593 Wrong. There were cops and EMS running around the house unconcerned about crime scene contamination, kicking broken glass over blood trails, only to have the scumbag DA's office knowing lie about it.
Once again, there's nothing sinister about darlie being at the sink wetting towels or whatever else. You just want to portray it as such because the case lacked any evidence. Anyone could have also used the sink as well, splashing water on the clean smooth stainless steel sides and into the drain. There's no evidence it was cleaned. Just more prosecurial desperation.
Plenty of evidence of an intruder. Slashed window screen, broken furniture, sock in ally way, bloody fingerprint. ANYONE with your level of bias could deny the evidence in the vast majority of crime scenes, claiming the victim staged it. Because often, it would about impossible to determine if that were the case or not. Where's you evidence that it all was staged? Right. There isn't any. That's the entire theme of this joke of a trial. Darlie was convicted before she walked into the court room. Evidence wasn't required. The prosecution simply made up theories, spewed claims, and everyone just accepted it as fact.
Why did the state fight tooth and nail to keep the bloody print from being run on the FBI data base? Easy. They didn't want their case to fall apart when it showed to be someone that never should have been in that house. It still may not have been run. I can't find that info anywhere.
Why did the state refuse supply the fibers from the butter knife to the defense for analysis? Conveniently, they claimed there weren't enough. Isn't that handy? Why should anyone believe them, then? They lied repeatedly during the trial.
Why did they claim the mulch was below the window of entry, when it wasn't?
Why did they claim the dust on the window sill would have to be disturbed when it was inches off the ground and easily stepped over?
Why did the nurses lie and say darlie showed no emotion when their own notes said she was crying much of the time?
Got the answers to those questions. The DA's office was rotted with corruption.
Those poor babies.
🥱Maybe I should go to bed...😲New Prosecutors episode! ☕😬😳
Happens to me every. single. time. 😄
I think I requested that you guys talk about this case. I know Darlie did it, but never understood why.
Yeah. A lot of people mistake their beliefs for knowledge.
BTW, feel free to report me for saying what you don't want to hear. It takes me about 1 minute to open my account again.
You know Darlie did it but you never understood why.. Now doesn't that tell you something? Maybe in the back of your mind you know she didn't?
Have you listened to anyone explain this case that feels she's innocent? People that go over all the blood evidence, the entire case? If you do i think you might question her guilt.
@@username-gd6sz This person reported you? A comment?
@@bdlimea7018 Not this person as far as I know, but I just lost my account yesterday arguing against the Guiltiers. Especially if you make a good case, they become enraged and mass report you after having a troll melt down. It's actually funny how they completely close their minds. Sure, I have to start from scratch everytime, but these sewer rats aren't going to shut down my free speech. BTW, in case you didn't know, Google doesn't care that people want to censor your right to express yourself. They just go by the amount of reports.
@@username-gd6sz I have found that it is impossible for the guilters to listen to another side. They seriously think she had a fair trial, for one thing.
If one of them were on trial for murder i wonder if they would be ok with the court clerk making 33k errors in the transcript? Yes, it was "fixed". By someone who wasn't at the trial and refused to certify a portion of it.
She had the right to an accurate and complete record!! The judge sent an inaccurate record to the appeals court.
I know if that would have been me i would have expected a mistrial.
But of course its ok with these people because it is Darlie.
They argue anything and everything that was clearly not ok.
They can't admit that mistakes were made.
I just hope the Innocence Project helps exonerate her or at least a new trial!!
The 3rd time I'm listen to this episode on DR. By far the most detailed podcast on this case.
The jury seems to be full of judgmental people who paid attention to what she bought and how she dressed. Smh I believe she is innocent
Darrin needs to be accountable. He is shady.
sure, he knew after the fact. but don't worry Darlie's new defense is blaming him. but have no doubt DARLIE IS GUILTY
She is guilty….the blood tells the story. Watch the Forensics Files show about this case.
Also watch Prosecutors Podcast and Roberta Glass episodes on Darile.
@@Douglas_Hamilton Thanks! Another good one is "Darlie Routier | Deep Dive | A Real Cold Case Detective's Opinion" by Unsolved No More on YT.
The thing that bothers me is Darren arranging for a robbery of his own home, in order to commit insurance fraud. There is some link from that and this case. It all happened in the same week. (Darren discussing with someone to carry out this robbery). People do desperate things when they are about to lose their home. I am AMAZED that the bread knife debris was not tested so that either side could say with definition that it came from the screen or it did not. WHY??? why was it not tested? That of course leads to another theory - Darren cut the screen to let the robbers that he organised in.
There zero evidence Darin did any such thing
The screen fibre was examined microscopically. Any chemical testing of such a minute sample may has destroyed the sample: then there'd be 28 years of Darlie's supporters whining about "destruction of evidence). The fibre matched the screen to within two tenths the width of a human hair. That's pretty precise.
Assuming all the rest of the evidence is reliable - and it seems to me that it is, the sock is a mere afterthought.
But even if one thinks the sock is important, why does the sock belong to the husband? If the sock belongs to the husband, why would an intruder grab a random household sock with the boys' blood, run out of the house, for 75 yards (225 ft), drop the sock, then return to the crime scene to slash Darlie's throat? The sock has only the children's blood and not hers.
It's nonsensical. What DOES make sense, to me, is that SHE took a sock from inside the house, ran out and dropped it in an effort to claim that an intruder ( for some damn reason) took a sock with blood evidence and just dropped it as he absconded into the night. Once she dropped the sock, she came back and slashed her own throat. Apparently, she thought "evidence" of the murder outside of the house would lend credence to her intruder story. Which it didn't.
That thumbnail still from the video shows a face with glee written all over it. It's a face that can change depending on the question she's asked from a reporter. Darlie could/can do this changeling thing with her face that could go from the real Darlie who was happy after her sons were dead, smacking gum and cutting it up with her sister, and then the fake Darlie who wanted to convince everyone that she was sad with her little girl voice, eyes drooping & head titled to the side. It's an annoying & creepy trait of hers. I realize all people mourn in different ways, but the woman in the thumbnail was definitely not one of them, in my opinion.
While I do believe she is guilty, there are still a ton of things that don't make sense. For starters, why did she murder them with her husband upstairs? Wasn't she afraid he might catch her in the act? Was it a spur of the moment decision? And if so, what triggered it?
Because it made sense to her at the time.
psychosis
I think if you realized what a sham the trial was you'd rethink your belief in this one. But yes, this is a point the lynch mob would prefer to gloss over. In most or all other cases, to my understanding anyway, the moms that killed their children had all kinds of emotional issues. Susan Smith for example, was a religious nut job, at times barely in touch with reality. Others had a history of child abuse. Despite the prosecution's desperate attempts at character assassination, the results were pitiful. She was an an average young mom with run of the mill average problems. It was the prosecution's claim that money problems would cause a mom to dispose of her children. This displays HIS jaw dropping depravity. Not hers.
It's a flat out rediculious theory that a seemly well adjusted woman would just snap and kill her kids without any apparent planning or concern of being caught.
To people with Common Sense: An average Mom who paid $600 for a headstone for a cat.
An average Mom who behaved very differently than all the Moms on earth by celebrating graveside birthday, smiling gleefully only 8 days after 2 horrible murders of 'babies', an
Average Mom who chases an intruder in her house, unarmed (Darlie,) an average Mom who showed very little sadness at trial when photos and descriptions of Boys' deaths were shown, an average Mom who wasn't cradling Damon as she hollering that he's dying.
No she's giving an alibi saying she's messed up the prints and a man or two that she never saw face or faces of, broke in.
Yeah she's AVERAGE.
Use the good sense your Momma gave you!
Postpartum psychosis. Plus she's a psychopath who can't feel emotions like normal people.
I know a man who married someone just like that, a psychopath. After she murdered him, she was having a party at the funeral home. It was shocking to see, to say the least.
Wow Brett! Having a baby is a pretty permanent thing to judge whether google is listening to me or not, no?!? 😂😂😂
Amazing episode as always guys. Big love from Ireland Xx
She convicted herself. No mother laughs on camera ONE WEEK AFTER HER CHILDREN DIE A TERRIBLE BRUTAL DEATH EVEN IF THEY HAD A SOLEMN EVENT FIRST. ITS ALL ABOUT HER. not those poor dead little boys !!! Insurance scam that went wrong.
Agree, the interview right after the silly string incident is even more disturbing.
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I didn't quite understand the complaints pertaining to sponsor advertisments until the third one cropped up during the narrative. Of course channels need the sponsoring, but having three within the first hour was pushing the viewers' patience to the utmost - and it made me postpone subscribing and supporting the channel at a later date if this method is actually the norm for the channel. Hence I will review other videos before making those decisions, but I was impressed with the narrative and discussions relating to this horrific case - one which I have studied more closely than any other and am convinced that Darlie attacked and murdered her two poor little boys.
Excellent commentary!
50:19 Yes, in the first several minutes after the attack, nothing prevented Damon from moving or speaking. The lungs filled with fluid slowly; injuries to the lung, liver, and spleen do not gush or spurt, they ooze, and it takes time. The medical examiner plainly said this in the pretrial hearing to hold Darlie without bail.
Slowly?? He was stabbed clear through!! In the lungs!! 🤦♀️
How about shock ???
@@tracievendetta1908 correct it pierced his little body !
@@alygodsquad Right!!
@@tracievendetta1908 Yes. Comparatively slowly. His lungs were punctured, they don't deflate fast like a balloon, they slowly deflate. The blood doesn't gush, it oozes. Damon could have lived longer than they 8 minute time line. There really isn't a timeliness, except for what Darlie says. That poof baby.
55:57 Waddell did not go into the garage until after his backup (Matt Walling)arrived.
Nah it was her shady husband that was behind it. I do not think she did it. when I’m in shock or Denial I can act like nothing is wrong untill it wears off and hits me. emotions are not just black and white.
I have been following this case for a very long time. I have read the Court transcripts the coroner's report and the autopsy report, including all the statements that Darlene. Her husband made there is no way this woman is innocent
I’m Scottish and I just love this guys southern accent. Wonder what area the accent is from. I’m trying to find something to prove to me one way or the other if she did it.
Also cleaned up blood in the sink based on a luminol spray correct? If so doesn’t luminol react the same/similar with liminol? If so she could have cleaned her sink with bleach/ or used bleach to mop a stain on the floor n dumped the bucket in the sink or cleaner some stains from white clothes in her sink with bleach water and just wiped the sink dry when done it would look similar I would think
Please watch Behind Criminal Minds take on this case. Her husband told people he wanted to pay someone to rob his house for insurance money. I think he’s involved.
There's zero evidence of that
Why would there be a need to wet towels, before placing them on your dying child?! You would just grab dry towels and place them where needed!! And the evidence on the serrated knife?! And other points brought out, from all I've read and heard in the past - appears that she's guilty. Never heard a podcast from y'all, before, but glad I came across it! Am proud of Brett wanting to give up drinking and sticking to it. If you decide to drink again, just do so in moderation! 💖
This is a detail supporters act as if it is a normal thing to do, wet towels for wound compression. There's no reason at all to wet the towel. It's wasting valuable time and can make it bleed more, not less.
I’m an RN wet towels help hold in any bleeding to stop and help make a binder to stop bleeding
It makes the towel more able to stop oxygen leaking through the towel if you wet it. They were trying to stem the flow of oxygen leaving the body during CPR through the wounds. A dry towel would not work.
The problem with 'expert' witnesses, are they give the evidence YOU want the to. The defence pay an 'expert' for their side, and the prosecution, pay an 'expert' to put across their side. Two or more experts that give opposite reasons. I think in today's psychology, an "expert' would be able to explain the fact that she cannot remember the trauma.
Prosecution experts pretty much get paid the same whether they testify or not, other than travel expenses and a nominal per diam. ,
Not necessarily, many times defense attorneys hire their own experts but never have them testify during the trial. Why? Because they know their own experts will agree with the prosecutor. In fact, that even happened in Darlie Routier's trial. Her attorneys hired blood spatter analysts, but never had them testify.
The sounds of a new born baby will wake a mother up but not so much the intruder and attack. That’s easy to understand.
Yeah I think we would have to consider our sleep cycles there. It’s very possible that she was sleeping pretty hard when the attack started.
No way that she slept through anything. She even says she didn't. Something else caused the memory loss.
@@86crud What attack? she's the attacker so no she didn't even to sleep that night.
@@bdlimea7018 Let's consider that. Could it be an unimaginably horrifying event that's disturbed memory retention? The survey says yes. Not in the least uncommon. One of the reasons the woman's sitting on death row is that she's, quite frankly, not terribly sophisticated. Instead of relating her fragmented mess of a memory as fact, she would have been better served by realizing her memory was faulty, and admitting that. Perhaps she did, and was scared that would be even worse. Who knows?
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6/6/96. Kinda weird. I’m a forensic psychologist and you can pretty much tell who the murderer is when all the family members who die are absolutely just butchered/overkilled but the one who survives has something like a paper cut. Jeffrey MacDonald in 1970, Darlie Routier in 1996, and countless other familicides over the past 100 years in the U.S.. It’s always an interesting thing for me to evaluate the family member who ends up being the murderer and continue to see their lack of insight. In spite of clear evidence of their guilt, they are just shocked that anyone believes they were responsible for murder. The family murderer always thinks they’re smarter than everyone, especially the police. But as in the cases of MacDonald and Routier, they both missed important, necessary facts in creating their ‘ murder narratives’ because neither one was an experienced murderer nor had either one previously suffered a violent attack in their own homes at the hands of an intruder who had direct experience of how such crimes tend to occur. The thought processes are just fascinating to me.
Well I presented this case with my friend on her channel Truth and Justice Channel and followed it for years. I’ve always thought she was innocent but her husband isn’t. He either had it done or was involved in some things which caused it to be done.
My sticking point was always the silly string incident. That’s just weird for a mom.
But the sock!!! And there was no way she had time and she’s not a criminal mastermind so…
You’ve done an excellent job here. Keep up the good work. I may change my mind before this is over.
She did it. She cut the screen with the bread knife, put it back in the wood block and selected the butcher knife. Stabbed the boys, planted the sock, cut herself at the sink, noticed Damon still moving across the family room and inflicted his fatal wound(s). Broke the wine glass, screamed and called 911.
The sock contains her DNA in the inside toe area, and the boys' blood on the outside. It implicates only her. No one else can be forensically attached to it.
If you read Dr Townsend-Parchman's testimony, you'll find the "timing" is just another misinformation tactic by the defense. It was Mulder who pressed her to estimate the timing of Damon's survivability, to which she answered, "you can't tell".
The silly string incident Is something I wrote off as her way of dealing with her grief. It was her kid's birthday and everybody deals with things differently. I don't think it was in any way pointing to her guilt.
She dropped the sock- she tried to portray that it was tanhked up in the pants of the real killer, but, FAIL.
Isn't that funny, not one spec of physical forensic evidence that you could take Darin to trial yet you believe he did it or set it up. Did he set up Darlie to do it? Because she is the killer no one else. No evidence of any unknown male or woman was found in that home so how did Darin have it done?
She had plenty of time to plant the sock
On the flip side of Darlie not screaming for her husband, why didn’t he wake up during the commotion?
Very large house, he, baby, dog, upstairs.
TV was also on. Also went to bed late, had to work in the morning.( He assumed.)
i think he heard or had something to do with it ....theres no way he would be completly oblivious to such a thing happening in the living room
What commotion? The boys were stabbed in their sleep. It’s not like she was chasing them around the house with a knife. Also, Darin was all the way upstairs and the disturbance to the house was minimal so it wouldn’t have made much noise. All she did in terms of staging was overturn the vacuum, set the flower arrangement on the table on its side, skew a lampshade and break a wine glass, which is what woke Darin up.
How did she know Darin was alive to yell for?
@@candiceparr4174 I would have screamed for my husband without knowing
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Those boys look so unhappy and cowed in that portrait. Their eyes are so sad.
I went to learn more about this and saw Darlie’s bruises. Someone needs to explain to me how in the world did she hurt her forearms like that. It appears to me they are defensive wounds. She was a wreck. Also why would anyone do this? What is the point? All I know for sure is those poor beautiful boys deserved to grow up. Idk who did it but they’re gone. I want the Mom to be innocent. Those bruises tell me she was attacked.
I think a deranged man or men on drugs could have hurt her and the boys. If a man on spice or whatever can eat a man’s face off 🧟♂️ Then a man could have had gloves on and stabbed the mom and two little children.
And she slept through it? She was in the hospital for three days and the hospital personnel said there was no bruising. Look up vids on UA-cam of women bruising themselves and then blaming their husband/ boyfriend.
Easy done...she repeatedly hit her arm against something hard. Like a door or a counter top.
I don’t know if this is accurate or not but I read Darlie was not admitted with those bruises but they came after being admitted. That it came from the IV’s and this had happened to her before in hospital getting IV’s with severe bruising. Her neck wound and bruising are what made me think she could be innocent until I heard she got the bruises later, but her bazaar behavior, so giddy and talking like a baby is what gives me doubt. I’m leaning towards postpartum psychosis or a sociopath but who knows.
I went through and read the complete trial transcripts from start to finish and according to the testimony of a number of medical professionals who cared for Darlie on the night of the murders, there was no bruising on her arms. They also testified that based on the color, etc of the bruises in the photos taken by law enforcement, those bruises would have occurred within the last 24 hours before the photos were taken and would have been caused by blunt force trauma. The photos were not taken until days after the crime. The belief is that she actually did whatever she did to create the bruises during the time period between the night of the murders and when the photos were taken by police, due to the fact that she feared that they were onto her. They also testified that if they were defensive wounds, they would appear on the opposite side of her arm
I always thibk about this point you made about how she would wake up just by the baby moving, but yet slept through herself and kids being stabbed?!😂 Also like you guys mentioned why the hell would you chase him at that point unless you had a gun or something! Please. 🤚 So many inconsistencies!
I think you'd like to see them as inconsistencies. Maternal instinct would give her the incentive to run the attacker off.
No one that murders their kids would come up with a story like that. They'd go plain vanilla, stock Hollywood script. That's what makes it credible. In the trauma of that horror, that's how she experienced it. I've no doubt that there were chunks of memory gone. That's generally the case. The mind goes into shock, and things go haywire.
@@username-gd6sz she relies on people like you, all 'feels', ignoring facts and common-sense.
Why do you love her?
She definitely seems mental to me.
Just as one of the jurors spoke on the Lessa gibbons talk show" Darlies son were feet away from her, how could she not hear her children being stabbed, again like she said If that were my sons, You may have hurt the one son , but they would had to go through Me to get to my second son... There is No way she slept through them being Brutality Slaughtered, without waking her up !! Again she was sliced her sons were slaughtered, Hugh difference !!
Yep ! She was The Best Witness for the Prosecution, And Thee Worst Witness For her own Defense team !!
@Carrie Day Exactly!! ESPECIALLY how she herself said she slept downstairs that night because the baby would always wake her up just by turning. Everything she says .ames no sense and her 2 different stories about how she woke up.
My home was broken into or out of. All doors were locked. My husband and I got home a bit after midnight. I went to the bathroom. My husband went to the bedroom, turned on the ac in the window....emptied his pockets walked passed the bathroom and went to his bathroom at the front on the house. I heard a loud banging noise. Thought he ran into an ironing board. I played on my phone for a bit...walked out the bathroom into my bedroom. Someone had pushed/pulled the window unit out. They stole my husband's phone and some cash. That's all. This all happened within 5 minutes of us get home..OR LESS!!! If I had nor played on my phone I would have seen the intruder. If they had harmed me....MY EX HUSBAND WOULD BE IN PRISON. No fingerprints were ever found. We had guns in the bedroom...they were never touched. Intruders do all kinds of weird things. We still don't know how they got it. It happened so fast...and they KNEW we were home!
Interrogators are very good at detecting truth and deception. They probably would have offered him a polygraph as well. There would have been no evidence pointing to him since he didn't do it. I seriously doubt he would have even been charged. But man! Sorry you went through that! That was a close call!
The only thing that makes me question her guilt these past years is that if guilty she’s the most unintelligent, or unaware, or completely abstracted criminal! She’d have to think LE the most credulous of mortals with all the strange evidence they find, and the things she says… I get the feeling that this series is going to follow in form the Prosecutors’ S. Peterson series. Lots of points which are moot individually, but all together end in a guilty verdict for the accused.
Have you ever heard of the case of Shayna Hubers? If not, I highly recommend watching one of the many UA-cam videos on her case. In terms of intellect, and just complete and overall cluelessness, she makes Darlie Routier look like Einstein. No joke! If you should decide to watch a video about her, please come back and comment, letting me know what you thought.
@@pamelajackson69 I didn’t recognize her name, but started watching a show and recognized her as the chick who said she had to shoot multiple times because she couldn’t stand to see him suffer after the first shot hit. Plus that he wanted a nose job so she gave it to him. Craaazzy! I’m only glad in her case that they didn’t have any children, right? I agree that DR was more organized or criminally savvy that SH. I don’t see many fans the way DR has either…
It's called the totality of evidence. That's literally best practice for how one deduces information from the evidence.
Narcissistic psychopaths always think they are smarter than the police.
Her and Lind putting down along wit all Faye Tucker makes me want to live in Texas. They execute these monsters
Ah yes, Carla Faye Tucker, the woman that repented, found god, and became a loving and kind person by ALL accounts. That's who you rejoice in killing. You right wingers may possibly be the worst people on the planet. Just rotten to the core.
@@username-gd6sz do you want right wingers dead? LOL(they're the worst people on the planet, right?
IDK 🤷♀️ This case has me going back and forth. I want to think she didn’t do it. But, the knife evidence is hard to dismiss.
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I think a paramedic knows best if it is a rattle or not.
That is a good point. I learned about agonal breathing (and the Lazarus Effect) during my EMT training.
That said, the violent death of a child can cause emotional reactions which can affect the judgment of even trained & experienced professionals. Most people will desperately want to believe a child can survive, even to the point that their judgment is clouded.
I’m late to the party. But, one of my main hang ups on this case has always been Damon still being alive and therefore potentially able to say “it was my mom.” But, I never knew Darin hadn’t found a pulse. I still struggle with Mary and the two guys. The coincidence of that occurring so similarly, so close and in such a close time frame is tough to ignore. Everything else points to her guilt to me.
No one ever mentions the yibby dog. Wouldn’t the dog had barked if there was an intruder.?
I was a volunteer EMT and also was medic at regattas and sailing events. I’ve had deeper cuts from stainless steel cables than what she has no neck. I get why they rushed her to surgery w other deaths but if an EMT has cleaned her wound there, clearly would of seen how superficial it was. I mean the steri strips give it way. It wasn’t deep enough to stitch, like her arm, nor even a continual laceration. Saw her shirt and even though you say she cut some veins, neck wounds, I’ve seen, unless major blood vessel cut, don’t bleed like that unless adrenaline is pumping. If she ran sick down wherever, came home, stabbed last child one more time than cut herself last, did they map out CS where who’s blood was were like MacDonald case? Seems that would of been a good idea considering her versions of events. Also noted on husband & wife’s first statements, DR said husband came down w jeans on & no glasses. Husband said he ran down w glasses & later put on jeans. His version sounds more likely. He also seems unaware wife was stabbed. So when he first came down she didn’t have as much blood on her shirt? Was her hysterical call for almost 7 mins to get blood flowing?
It’s the steri strips that 🚨me. I haven’t read much but sleeping boys stabbed in downward position & if she’s laying on her back and phone is showing correct angle & side, how did the killer “slice” her throat like that if she’s flat on back? First if he was at her side the angle is wrong, was he on top of her & raked knife. Left to right, in downward angle, ending around armpit? Now if he was behind her & had knife to throat & pulled upward, it would be deeper & in line. This looks like two different cuts. It’s not a continual line from one to other. If she’s right handed it would explain the shallow aspect and the two cuts. The upper cut would look more like a throat slitting but the lower cut looks like easier angle for a right handed person trying to cut themselves w left hand.
If there was a killer w a butcher knife, in the dark, w possible TV only, why would he stab down at them & slice at her? Makes no sense like MacDonald case. Why leave the strongest alive who can stop or describe you? Makes no sense.
She lost half of her blood supply so the cuts were not superficial (medical report). How did blood pool on the neckline of her shirt and halfway down her back if she wasn't laying down? There was blood on the sofa and a pillow. Where did her underwear go and what happened to partial r*pe test? Killer likely got her first, she passed out from shock but he thought she was gone. Julie Rae was also found guilty since the killer stab her with the kitchen knife he took from the home? Turned out it was serial killer Tommy Lynn Sells. Contributing factors: Perjury, false accusations and official misconduct the same as Darlie's case.
The dust and fibers on the bread knife don’t mean that Darlie must havekilled those boys, only that reasonable probability states someone in the home cut the screen and Darlie’s statements are incorrect. Her veracity throughout is on its way off the deep end. My only problem is what all the lies actually mean.
They mean she murdered Devon and Damon and is trying to get away with it.
see the statement you made is one from a realist POV you are correct and if you think about cutting a screen with a breadknife i just dont see the logic , it would have indented the screen and made it banged up , if darlie did it why pick the most blunt edged knife , why wouldnt she mention the screen at all , and why not just knock it out of the window frame like the boys used to do everytime they snuck in to steal popcicles....and if there is an explanation which there is then why would people preach it like its gospel . the bottom line is some of us dont believe everything LE says and we axctually think of the possibilities you will ffind that even though darlie is on death row there are people who are obsessed with her and they like to write pages and pages of their "opinion" usually repeating things that dont make sense . but what you said is a logical response because it really doesnt make sense so i commend you for thinking outside of the box . This crime scene wasnt processed effectivly so that right ther is enough for any logical person with a realist standpoint to question that part of the case .I wish that it was the only part of this case that is a hack job but sadly everything that is mentioned as "Proof " are easily debunkable. The fibers on the screen were uestioned to be fibers from the fingerprinting brush and even though the fibers were similar to the fingerprinting brush no further testing was completed to prove it so they said "its probley the bread knife that cut the screen" and never proved it but stuck it in there to look like she staged the scene . She didnt even know the screen was cut so if she did it , she probley would have said something about it . just too suspicious for me to not see reasonable doubt
There really is no time line.
Did she have life insurance on the boys? If so for how much and when did she get it?
$5K apiece.
She says that the funeral cost more.
@@kristalvibes774 Yeah. It's a rediculious attempt to establish motive. But, they were, and are, grasping at straws.
$5K a piece, but Darin's parents paid for their funeral and there were at least three me.orial funds happening immediately after the murders.
I don’t think the murders were for life insurance, I think it was a planned murder-suicide, only she wasn’t able to go thru with the suicide part. There were problems in the marriage, there were major money problems, which she prob blamed him for…lots of stress, and I think post partum depression and maybe the known severe psychological side effects of the diet meds she was taking. She would not be the first parent to do this to hurt their spouse. The motive the prosecution put forth may have not been right, it was more of a rage killing. But the blood/forensic evidence doesn’t lie.
She placed the sock before all this happened. She could have gotten blood from children through other means
wow, you are so smart, I never thought of this
My God that lil ole lady in the beginning of the presentation is seriously bad ass!!😳👊🏻 I woulda called 911 if 2 guys came to my door then were seen at my window @2am!! HANDS DOWN ID CALL!!😆smh lol
They found out her cut on her throat was superficial. They used adhesive strips to close it.
I just watched the witman's documentary on ID. Maybe you guys should take a look at that one. I was a little shocked by it.
In postmortem care you have to roll the body to get the air out when they die and they take big gasps like that. It sounds like they are alive but it’s just the air releasing.
There can be gurgling and such for minutes after death.
Yep. Agonal breathing. It's terrifying to witness if you don't know what it is.
You had me at knife block.
What woman in her right mind would chase a man with a knife
I hate DAs. Have you ever met one that has ever admitted that they were wrong? But in this case these guys are right.
In the picture of the two boys, why aren't they smiling???