The A models should have been added along time ago. But knowing Gaijin they probably will add them as a premium, squadron, event or maybe even battlepass for the A models.
Bruh they literally gave British tree a South African Gripen C with HMD when Gripen came out while Sweden got Gripen A without HMD before add the HMD to the A after Swede main complain about it.
It angers me so much how many variants or whole plane models have been skipped since we reached the first supersonic jets. The American tech tree has like 8 different Mustangs but only one F-100, 4 Phantoms and still no regular tech tree version of the A-6, and at this point skipping the early F/A-18s is just dumb. We'll probably jump straight to a modernised mid-2000s F/A-18C with AMRAAMs, targeting pods, JDAMs... The Hornet had been in service for 20 years by then
@@adrianstachowski9422 basically half of the century series fighters are missing or under-represented. The only one which wouldn't really have a place in game would be the F-102 tbh
Only players interested in mil history care about the century series and its significance. The majority of those who will impulse buy want modern or famous go-fasts. That is totally why they brought the Tomcat instead.
@obsidianjane4413 well. I'm victim of impuls buying prop fighters :D Just waiting for premium late war bf109 that actually is in german tech tree (there isn't any...)
alot of people playing WT are not some certain era history nerds, theyre here to play a game. especially when most of the props ive seen on suggestion threads, the differences are like ''its got 10% bigger engine cowl flaps and a new 2mm thicker bulletproof windshield''
15:07 For all those none aviation enthusiasts don't know what AIM-174 is, it is basically an SM-6(RIM-174) long-range anti-air/anti-ballistic(terminal stage only)/anti-ship/surface to surface missile for ships turned into SUPER long-range air to air missile. The only difference between the original and the AIM-174 is that it got rid of the rocket booster it uses to burst out of Vertical Launch Systems(VLS) from ships or stationary SAM sites.
@@TheDoubleace191 Wouldnt supersonic be more accurate, as I understand Hypersonics go mach 5+ while supersonic is lower. The SM-6 is said to go around 3.5 mach.
@@Zx17OPv57i to be honest the typhoon trance 1 isn't as powerful and it's only relegated to air to air ordinance, the gen 2 changes to let it do cas and the typhoon becomes a real menace from gen 3 onward
@@TigerJaeger131 don't know about that, still, the paveways are just ok, we will probably need to wait for summer update for tranche 2 to actually be able to do cas with it
USMC has entire F/A-18D squadrons for night attack. They're designated VMFA(AW) as All Weather squadrons. They're dedicated attack squadrons, though fully capable fighters. They could add it as a Strike Fighter alongside the F/A-18C as a Jet Fighter, similar to F-16D/F-16C in the Israeli tree.
The swiss hornets lack the necessary software to fire air to ground munitions, and were specifcally ordered like that. Supposedly a software update could enable that, but for now it's impossible to use any air to ground munition on them IRL.
1:24 F/A-18A was intended to replace mainly F-4N/J of Navy and USMC inventory since 1978 but there were not enough F/A-18s produced to replace all F-4s some F-4Js left behind refurbished to be F-4S.
I think the reason so many people get outraged by the idea of the f18 is because they think of the superhornet, when the normal one is something closer to the f15 and f16, they all come out of the original defelopment program after all and are all only a handful of years apart
I think the F-18A would be a fine addition to the lower end of top tier alongside things like the base MiG29, the F16A, the F15A, etc etc. It'll have roughly the same capabilities as everything in that category.
Only it's slower than the MiG-29 and loses speed in a turn IRL just like the MiG-29 in the game. As a SU-main (not really, I've had several aviation trees topped over the years of addiction, but for the sake of discourse I'll be considered as such), I fully welcome the introduction of the F/A-18. Either Snail will have to fix the aerodynamics calculation for lifting-body aircraft, which will greatly improve the situation of Soviet Gen4 fighters, or the Hornet will come out broken, and we'll have ultimate whine stopper about the russian bias.
@Scorchluck you just had to remind me how they massacred my boy... I really hope they fix the Russian airbrak... I mean airplanes when this comes out. But let's be honest, if it comes out with the flight performance similar to a SU-27 there will be American mains screaming and crying Russian bias. The worst part is that it'll probably work since they always get their way (looking at you 12.3 F-15) while Russia gets shafted again
@@Scorchluck I have no Flankers (yet), and am a Japan/US Main, but I totally agree that the Flanker/Fulcrum situation is utterly busted. Test fly JF-17. The thing wants to fall out of the sky! F/A-18 will perform like that with a little more thrust. Maybe we could have a Sport mode like in a car, where when disabled, speed maintenance is prioritized by the instructor, and when enabled, deg/sec outright maneuvering is prioritized as it currently is all the time. One key bind
The F/A 18 is so comically overdue at this point and it’s going to be so bad that even despite finally getting it everyone is going to be disappointed.
@@mikeyplayzwrldit's not subsonic all the time, it becomes subsonic at low altitude if you load it up completely full (that means the heaviest loadout, which would be a LOT of bombs/mavericks + some AIM-120s and 2x AIM-9 mixed in)
@ Nope. It’s subsonic at the deck with 60% fuel and 2x tanks with 2x Aim-120 and 2x Aim-9X. It also bleeds 54 knots per second while turning in that config.
Being the old player that I am, seeing the game go from the original Zero vs Hellcats, Jugs and Mustangs to now F15Es vs Su34s is just fantastic, many thought the game would never even have any sort of thing after Korean war stuff, and look at WT now... I really hope the F18 is coming next, though is a plane I didn't liked as a kid, now I apreciate the jet, is one I'm actually hyped for and I think it does fit the current meta of the game. The A model would fit just fine, but I can see it as a premium, or maybe Gaijin will add the A and a C variant, but keep the D or even the G as a premium eventually, considering that we just got the first Fox 3 premium, I bet we will get at least another 2 next update, and the F18 and Su33 are good candidates for it.
One note, the F/A-18D could make it's way into the game through the Malaysian Air Force, possibly under the Japanese tree. They use the jets for night attack and it could offer a non F-15 top tier and some ground strike capability to the Japanese tree which it lacks right now.
@@Super_Bug There's multiple aircraft I can see, the F-2 is definitely coming to the tree one day. But they can do two options here, they can do the Malay F/A-18 or the Indonesian Rafale.
Personally, I think the legacy hornets should be after the AV8B or before it, depending on the variant. For the vast majority of thier career they flew alongside the Tomcat, when the F-14D was upgrades were canned and the Tomcat airframes were starting to be destroyed is only when the Hornet is pushed into the air supority role with the Super Hornet.
I hope they add the base A models with the sparrows and then the C models with amraams. They could even add the A+ as a premium or squad vehicle and I wouldn't complain
Fun fact: my first introduction to the F/A-18 Hornet was from Area 88 Act III: Burning Mirage. Only likely 2-3 were shown: two during the opening (both of which died to an R-23 fired by a Mig-21), one during the Ravine Raid (which ultimately died by crashing into a rock, which I think 3 other planes crashed into lmao), and possibly one during the final dogfight (which is presumed destroyed by a hoard of over 100 Mig-21s, just like the Skyhawks, Kfirs, Freedom Fighters, Phantoms, and so forth of Area 88's mercenaries). It is my third favorite plane, and I would genuinely kill to see both the F/A-18A (and yes I prefer that to the A+, Cs, and Es) and A-4M Late Skyhawk II. Also, I think the F/A-18A/B could only ever have 60 CMs, due to only having one dispenser mounted to each intake. The Cs and Ds have 2 per intake.
@@Tigershark_3082 I may have missed that, I knew the dispenser changed but the source I had read on it still said 120 for the ALE-39 (C had ALE-47). If so... whoops! 😅
Based on weight information I could find and my math with 75% fuel 10x AMRAAMs and 2 AIM-9Ms the F/A-18C has a TWR of roughly .98, with full fuel and same loadout roughly .94 TWR so it may not be so bad but it all depends on how they handle its energy loss
Sometimes when watching videos like these from dedicated enthusiasts and content creators, I often think that you have more of an understanding of what the game needs/wants in terms of content and you do more research and learn about new content that could/should be added more than the actual developers. I can't picture a team of devs sitting at a table discussing future projects in the detail and depth that you do in this video. It shows how passionate you are about this too and we all appreciate it so much. Just a quick thanks Lee for the hard work you put in for us. Thank you. ❤😘🛩 (F15 Eagle Supremecy :))
@@xEroarz Wow, thank you so much! This gives me sappy feels but it means a lot to me :) I'm glad you noticed and appreciate the effort! F-15 SUPREMACY RAAAAAAAH
What could be a little interesting is for any two seater aircraft, they could make it to the distance at which an enemy gets their name tag displayed in realistic battles is increased since you have a second pair of eyes in the cockpit. This doesn't really make up for the decreased Flight performance but it would be a neat feature
If Gaijin ever decided to add all variants (A, A+, C, E), i think the placement & BR on US Tree would be like this: - F-18A, 12.7, Placed before AV-8B+, Because of the Air-to-Ground focus that you mentioned, i think it'll be fitting to put it on the Attacker line, plus the 12.7 BR is similar to the F-16A, which also only carries AIM-7 & Modern A-G Ordnance - F-18A+, 13.3, Placed after AV-8B+, Similar capabilities to the AV-8B+, will be 0.3BR higher than F-14B because it could carry AIM-120 & Modern A-G Ordnance, however due to (relatively) poor flight performance, it's 0.3BR lower than F-16C - F-18C, 13.7, Placed after F-14B, Not much to be explained, the mainstream US fighter alongside F-16C & F-15C so it'll be at the same BR as them - F-18E, 13.7+, Placed after F-18C, This will be at the same BR as F-15E (Also 13.7+ BR implying Gaijin should raise the BR again, so it could be at 14.0 in the future)
@theironwolf1871 yep logically it's suppose to be before F-18C, after F-14B, but... comparing between F-14D and F-18C, these 2 have different roles and F-14D might be far better on A-A roles than the Hornet so it's possible to put it after the Hornet, not before it
its always the december update when gaijin adds the most crazy unbalanced weird obscure and or overpowered airplanes right after doing the same thing the previous update, sometimes the one after
since eurofighter was mentioned and also cas capabilitys in germany ... the eurofighter trench 1 that will be the one implemented is actually an A/A only jet without IRST seach sensor and fairly limited capabilitys systems wise so i hope everybody keeps that in minde... the trench 3+ will be incredible even borderline op due to the amount of missiles the speed and the radar it has together with still having an multirole setup
The Super Hornet was a completely different plane that was substantially bigger, redesigned intakes to semi recessed to slightly hide turbines, and vastly different avionics.
Did you miss the part where I said it's so massively changed that it may as well be a different plane, and the only reason it has the F-18 designation at all was for procurement? Or are you just upset that I included the super hornet in a hornet video?
5:45 ASRAAM makes sense for the Australian F-18, and if the Eurofighter Typhoon also arrives, it carries ASRAAM as it’s primary IR missile (at least the new ones do)
ASRAAM is absurdly good compared to existing missiles, and the Eurofighters we are getting (at least the german and italian ones) can only use sidewinder
The F18A, F18A+, and F18C should all come in the TT as they are comparable to identical loadout types of jets in game as of now. . . Duh the normal F18A could totally come as a premium either way, but i digress lmfao
11:47 i served in the swiss airforce and i can tell you that we have AIM-9X on our F/A18s we do still use AIM9Ps because we still use the F-5s at least thats what i ve been told during my service
when it comes to twin seater jets i wonder if warthunder can do a battlefield, i want to see a squad team up, bring out a Pe8 and bomb out a bunch of tanks, the idea is the squad leader brings out their Pe8 and everyone in their party are the other crew members, so one is the bomber the leader is the pilot and everyone else are the gunners
But so are the flankers - in WT though, the flankers can’t do shit, and they’re busses as opposed to UFOs like the Hornets & Flankers in DCS. I’d like to see the SU-27 and Hornets be UFOs in terms of their turning ability tho, would be a nice trade off for the speed bleed.
@@themonkeyspaw7359brother in Christ, no jets can pull 16-18Gs, and saying that F-16s, arguably the best two circle fighter in the world which has relatively poor one circle capabilities, should be able to out-turn Flankers, one of the best one-circle fighters in the world, is PEAK cope
@@mikeyplayzwrldidk brother I don’t think gaijin is real life either, with missile diamonds & 16G turns. Seems like both are video games and should strive for a bit of balance mixed with IRL abilities.
I imagine the f18C would go after the tomcat and the F18D would be the one to go in the attacker line (since it technically replaced the skyraiders/Skyhawks lol)
The super hornet can pull insane aoa, combined with higher drag it does bleed a lot of speed but if you don't pull high aoa carries a lot of speed though turns. The legacy hornet can do the same albeit with weaker engines.
i think it wood be posible for germany go get the F 18 C as a Fighter with no Bombs under the MiG 29G, and a F/A 18 D after the Tornado with CAS ordinants.
The fa18 would have been more competitive if it was released when it should have. In my opinion the fa18a/ a+ without amraams should have came when the f14B came. Still deserves to be added and I will enjoy it.
1 month late, but if gaijin starts with the 18C, there's no way they'll add the 9X, cause people aren't ready to admit the block 1 9X (yes, the block 1, the worst of the 9X platform, as it doesn't have all the things the block 2 or 3 have that people love to use as counterpoints) is ready to be added right now, and that it'd be equal to the R-73
The f18c will be better at closer ranges than bvr, even tho it has the aim120 it isn’t the fastest, but it’ll be insane in that medium to closer ranges because of its amount of missiles, and its flight performance, now it does accelerate pretty fast at lower speeds, from like 0-300mph ias it’ll feel like an f16 but then it starts to slow down after that, reaches about Mach 1.1 on the deck, it will struggle a tad bit in bvr because it bleeds speed faster, and it’s harder to get it back up, BUT it does get the aim120 and gets 10 of them, it’ll be an insane dog fighter pulling a huge amount of aoa as we see in dcs and irl, so my guess is it’s gonna have a cracked flight model like a ufo in a dogfight, but it’ll struggle in bvr a bit, it’ll also be super good in CAS with a similar loudout to the f16c but with more paveways, but it’ll still be good in bvr mainly because of the amraam, the amraam outranges about everything in game so it’s bvr capabilities will still be super good, just not on par with the f16c and f15c/e
Something you forgot about the spanish hornets is that they can carry the irisT, that could pay off the downgraded engine (of course, in a future, cause adding it would be absurd)
i hope they never add the IRIS-T or aim-9X, they would make the game unplayable. There have been instances irl where the missile (IRIS-T) has gone for flares, then pulled an 180 degree turn and hit the plane.
Can you do one for the Lavi prototype as well perhaps? I really like the plane, it was passed to the devs for consideration back in '23, hope they implement it
I suspect the regular A variant could be a premium they add once they start dishing out 5th gen aircraft. Then they'll add it to the US Air tree and sell it for like $120 or something lol.
@ fair, I’ve been looking and the only thing that says it can carry air to ground weapons is the wiki(which ofc I don’t trust) but I did however, see multiple photos of the Swiss f18 with the double racks for AMRAAMs. The biggest thing I see is that most places when discussing the Swiss f/fa? 18s is that they still refer to them as f/a 18s not just f18
They have not. The only upgrade even slightly related to A2G their F-18s have received is TGPs, but thy are to improve their intercept mission, same as every other 4/4.5th gen fighter that is getting passivee sensors
@bagelmaster2498 it does. VID is incredibly important to not end up shooting down friendlies. You also have to remember that 99% of an aircrafts "intercepts" are going to be on airliners and GA aircraft that are not responding to radio calls, not shooting down bombers. Most TGPs also have A2A modes that will allow target tracking even if notching your radar. But do tell me why else would US F-15Cs be flying with Sniper Pods over Southwest Asia
@@whisperingforest9909 in BVR, the f15E will still have about 500 mph over their top speed, so that will still remain the same unless they add newer missile besides mica and aim-120
4:37 Hornet in Top Gun Maverick were Super Hornets. 12:09 There are photos of Swiss Hornets with the dual rack carrying 10 AMRAAM. 16:19 You missed the EA-18G Growler which Australia also uses.
Yeah, I'm aware, but Gaijin doesn't care. The F-5C has a MiG-28 skin ingame despite being the wrong variant. Yes, there are swiss F-18s with the double racks as well, I said that would be a UNIQUE option for them if they decided to do so. I didn't think I needed to specify that it still maintained the normal F-18C feature... I didn't cover the Growler since we don't have EW and maybe never will.
With the way the leaks are going right now, I wouldn't be surprised if super hornet shows up.... But it's just a leak list ig, doesn't mean anything will come.
The A models should have been added along time ago. But knowing Gaijin they probably will add them as a premium, squadron, event or maybe even battlepass for the A models.
Niet comrad, you get April fools f18 only
Knowing gaijin they absolutely will not give Britain the Australian hornet as it has a better weapon kit which they would never let Britain have
Bruh they literally gave British tree a South African Gripen C with HMD when Gripen came out while Sweden got Gripen A without HMD before add the HMD to the A after Swede main complain about it.
britain will get an eurofighter so no need
@@linkist6599Nahh we need that, i dont wanna grind USA again for the hornet
Britain won’t need an f-18 if they’re getting a eurofighter
PLEASE GAJIIN IM BEGGING YOU I GAVE YOU *all* the details about ti
It angers me so much how many variants or whole plane models have been skipped since we reached the first supersonic jets. The American tech tree has like 8 different Mustangs but only one F-100, 4 Phantoms and still no regular tech tree version of the A-6, and at this point skipping the early F/A-18s is just dumb.
We'll probably jump straight to a modernised mid-2000s F/A-18C with AMRAAMs, targeting pods, JDAMs... The Hornet had been in service for 20 years by then
I'm still waiting for F106 and P47H. Also F101
@@adrianstachowski9422 basically half of the century series fighters are missing or under-represented. The only one which wouldn't really have a place in game would be the F-102 tbh
Only players interested in mil history care about the century series and its significance. The majority of those who will impulse buy want modern or famous go-fasts. That is totally why they brought the Tomcat instead.
@obsidianjane4413 well. I'm victim of impuls buying prop fighters :D Just waiting for premium late war bf109 that actually is in german tech tree (there isn't any...)
alot of people playing WT are not some certain era history nerds, theyre here to play a game.
especially when most of the props ive seen on suggestion threads, the differences are like ''its got 10% bigger engine cowl flaps and a new 2mm thicker bulletproof windshield''
15:07 For all those none aviation enthusiasts don't know what AIM-174 is, it is basically an SM-6(RIM-174) long-range anti-air/anti-ballistic(terminal stage only)/anti-ship/surface to surface missile for ships turned into SUPER long-range air to air missile. The only difference between the original and the AIM-174 is that it got rid of the rocket booster it uses to burst out of Vertical Launch Systems(VLS) from ships or stationary SAM sites.
The aim-174 is the "standard" or hypersonic version of the sm-6?
@@CChiefmk3 As far as I know, all SM-6 variants are hypersonic
@@TheDoubleace191
Wouldnt supersonic be more accurate, as I understand Hypersonics go mach 5+ while supersonic is lower. The SM-6 is said to go around 3.5 mach.
@@Atom_X.yeah
RTX actually has the capabilities of adding the booster back for even more range
The only thing we can expect from the f18 is to get clapped by typhoons and rafales
Preach
i dont really understand how f-18 can deal with those two monsters
@@Zx17OPv57i to be honest the typhoon trance 1 isn't as powerful and it's only relegated to air to air ordinance, the gen 2 changes to let it do cas and the typhoon becomes a real menace from gen 3 onward
@@parapat9957 The Tranche 1 block 5 should have access to paveways.
@@TigerJaeger131 don't know about that, still, the paveways are just ok, we will probably need to wait for summer update for tranche 2 to actually be able to do cas with it
The Navy putting a SM-6 on a super hornet for A2A is just hilarious to me.
Same here. They weren't enough with expanding the capability of the base SM-6 already LOL
@@ckingc05 It's peak
Well I think they're going for it to be the anti everything it is in ships, just air launched
AIM-260 is in no hurry to even show up in the photos, and the Russians and Chinese have already adopted the R-37M and PL-15. They have to improvise.
they shut off others countries boasting about meteors, R37m , pl-21 and its better than aim 260 aswell.
USMC has entire F/A-18D squadrons for night attack. They're designated VMFA(AW) as All Weather squadrons. They're dedicated attack squadrons, though fully capable fighters. They could add it as a Strike Fighter alongside the F/A-18C as a Jet Fighter, similar to F-16D/F-16C in the Israeli tree.
I think we know what the premium will be next year then….
Had
@@garrettkaufer7962 VMFA(AW)-224 Bengals is still around with D Hornets. They were in Korea with them in August
@superfamilyallosauridae6505 they have one more DET then will be decommed in dec....
@@garrettkaufer7962 Sad to see them go. But F-35Bs and Cs are very capable jets.
The swiss hornets lack the necessary software to fire air to ground munitions, and were specifcally ordered like that. Supposedly a software update could enable that, but for now it's impossible to use any air to ground munition on them IRL.
1:24 F/A-18A was intended to replace mainly F-4N/J of Navy and USMC inventory since 1978 but there were not enough F/A-18s produced to replace all F-4s some F-4Js left behind refurbished to be F-4S.
I think the reason so many people get outraged by the idea of the f18 is because they think of the superhornet, when the normal one is something closer to the f15 and f16, they all come out of the original defelopment program after all and are all only a handful of years apart
I think the F-18A would be a fine addition to the lower end of top tier alongside things like the base MiG29, the F16A, the F15A, etc etc. It'll have roughly the same capabilities as everything in that category.
Only it's slower than the MiG-29 and loses speed in a turn IRL just like the MiG-29 in the game. As a SU-main (not really, I've had several aviation trees topped over the years of addiction, but for the sake of discourse I'll be considered as such), I fully welcome the introduction of the F/A-18. Either Snail will have to fix the aerodynamics calculation for lifting-body aircraft, which will greatly improve the situation of Soviet Gen4 fighters, or the Hornet will come out broken, and we'll have ultimate whine stopper about the russian bias.
@Scorchluck you just had to remind me how they massacred my boy... I really hope they fix the Russian airbrak... I mean airplanes when this comes out. But let's be honest, if it comes out with the flight performance similar to a SU-27 there will be American mains screaming and crying Russian bias. The worst part is that it'll probably work since they always get their way (looking at you 12.3 F-15) while Russia gets shafted again
@@jcool42069F-15 at 12.3 !??? Fseee that’d be lovely …
@@ChrisR36 You clearly didn't play the game when the F-15 came out
@@Scorchluck I have no Flankers (yet), and am a Japan/US Main, but I totally agree that the Flanker/Fulcrum situation is utterly busted. Test fly JF-17. The thing wants to fall out of the sky! F/A-18 will perform like that with a little more thrust.
Maybe we could have a Sport mode like in a car, where when disabled, speed maintenance is prioritized by the instructor, and when enabled, deg/sec outright maneuvering is prioritized as it currently is all the time.
One key bind
The F/A 18 is so comically overdue at this point and it’s going to be so bad that even despite finally getting it everyone is going to be disappointed.
10 amraams sure sounds good tho
@@linkist6599 12*
@@linkist6599 It's Subsonic lmaoooo
@@mikeyplayzwrldit's not subsonic all the time, it becomes subsonic at low altitude if you load it up completely full (that means the heaviest loadout, which would be a LOT of bombs/mavericks + some AIM-120s and 2x AIM-9 mixed in)
@ Nope. It’s subsonic at the deck with 60% fuel and 2x tanks with 2x Aim-120 and 2x Aim-9X. It also bleeds 54 knots per second while turning in that config.
I too believe in F-15 supremacy
@@EdgeR2 FAX my brother
I must concur
I recognize that riff anywhere.
Good tastes in music mate.
Being the old player that I am, seeing the game go from the original Zero vs Hellcats, Jugs and Mustangs to now F15Es vs Su34s is just fantastic, many thought the game would never even have any sort of thing after Korean war stuff, and look at WT now... I really hope the F18 is coming next, though is a plane I didn't liked as a kid, now I apreciate the jet, is one I'm actually hyped for and I think it does fit the current meta of the game. The A model would fit just fine, but I can see it as a premium, or maybe Gaijin will add the A and a C variant, but keep the D or even the G as a premium eventually, considering that we just got the first Fox 3 premium, I bet we will get at least another 2 next update, and the F18 and Su33 are good candidates for it.
@@sirbowserfelix9293 if you told me when I first started that I would be making a video talking about the F-18 coming, I would have called you crazy
What premium carries fox 3s ?
@@ChrisR36 The new Viggen DI premium
TLDR: F-15E would remain the best.
No mig21 best (even better then the swordfish)
@@patrikdjodjo7956no
One note, the F/A-18D could make it's way into the game through the Malaysian Air Force, possibly under the Japanese tree. They use the jets for night attack and it could offer a non F-15 top tier and some ground strike capability to the Japanese tree which it lacks right now.
@@Super_Bug There's multiple aircraft I can see, the F-2 is definitely coming to the tree one day. But they can do two options here, they can do the Malay F/A-18 or the Indonesian Rafale.
“high aoa, high speed bleed and lots of missiles” hinting at the su27 made me laugh😂😂 SURELY gaijin model this jet correctly right🤔
Your analysis are very plausible and logical. Thanks for the video
Personally, I think the legacy hornets should be after the AV8B or before it, depending on the variant. For the vast majority of thier career they flew alongside the Tomcat, when the F-14D was upgrades were canned and the Tomcat airframes were starting to be destroyed is only when the Hornet is pushed into the air supority role with the Super Hornet.
OH BOY sure can’t wait for my F-18A premium aircraft!
Thanks for jinxing the F18 Lee! All your fault!
I hope they add the base A models with the sparrows and then the C models with amraams. They could even add the A+ as a premium or squad vehicle and I wouldn't complain
Fun fact: my first introduction to the F/A-18 Hornet was from Area 88 Act III: Burning Mirage. Only likely 2-3 were shown: two during the opening (both of which died to an R-23 fired by a Mig-21), one during the Ravine Raid (which ultimately died by crashing into a rock, which I think 3 other planes crashed into lmao), and possibly one during the final dogfight (which is presumed destroyed by a hoard of over 100 Mig-21s, just like the Skyhawks, Kfirs, Freedom Fighters, Phantoms, and so forth of Area 88's mercenaries).
It is my third favorite plane, and I would genuinely kill to see both the F/A-18A (and yes I prefer that to the A+, Cs, and Es) and A-4M Late Skyhawk II.
Also, I think the F/A-18A/B could only ever have 60 CMs, due to only having one dispenser mounted to each intake. The Cs and Ds have 2 per intake.
@@Tigershark_3082 I may have missed that, I knew the dispenser changed but the source I had read on it still said 120 for the ALE-39 (C had ALE-47). If so... whoops! 😅
@@GeneralLee2000 'Tis all good, CMs systems are just confusing in general
Make it a flanker. Eurofighter SWEEP 💪💪💪
@@Loudward__ RAAAAAAAAH
The real F/A-18 Hornet was the friends we made along the way
Based on weight information I could find and my math with 75% fuel 10x AMRAAMs and 2 AIM-9Ms the F/A-18C has a TWR of roughly .98, with full fuel and same loadout roughly .94 TWR so it may not be so bad but it all depends on how they handle its energy loss
awesome vid! very informative!
This didn't age well
Sometimes when watching videos like these from dedicated enthusiasts and content creators, I often think that you have more of an understanding of what the game needs/wants in terms of content and you do more research and learn about new content that could/should be added more than the actual developers. I can't picture a team of devs sitting at a table discussing future projects in the detail and depth that you do in this video. It shows how passionate you are about this too and we all appreciate it so much. Just a quick thanks Lee for the hard work you put in for us. Thank you. ❤😘🛩 (F15 Eagle Supremecy :))
@@xEroarz Wow, thank you so much! This gives me sappy feels but it means a lot to me :) I'm glad you noticed and appreciate the effort!
F-15 SUPREMACY RAAAAAAAH
4:40 eagle mentioned
here's hoping the hornets actually come this update
I only have one thing to say, seeing the decal made me instantly go get it
What could be a little interesting is for any two seater aircraft, they could make it to the distance at which an enemy gets their name tag displayed in realistic battles is increased since you have a second pair of eyes in the cockpit. This doesn't really make up for the decreased Flight performance but it would be a neat feature
If Gaijin ever decided to add all variants (A, A+, C, E), i think the placement & BR on US Tree would be like this:
- F-18A, 12.7, Placed before AV-8B+, Because of the Air-to-Ground focus that you mentioned, i think it'll be fitting to put it on the Attacker line, plus the 12.7 BR is similar to the F-16A, which also only carries AIM-7 & Modern A-G Ordnance
- F-18A+, 13.3, Placed after AV-8B+, Similar capabilities to the AV-8B+, will be 0.3BR higher than F-14B because it could carry AIM-120 & Modern A-G Ordnance, however due to (relatively) poor flight performance, it's 0.3BR lower than F-16C
- F-18C, 13.7, Placed after F-14B, Not much to be explained, the mainstream US fighter alongside F-16C & F-15C so it'll be at the same BR as them
- F-18E, 13.7+, Placed after F-18C, This will be at the same BR as F-15E (Also 13.7+ BR implying Gaijin should raise the BR again, so it could be at 14.0 in the future)
What about the F14D super tomcat? Wouldnt that be after the F14B and before the F18C?
@theironwolf1871 yep logically it's suppose to be before F-18C, after F-14B, but... comparing between F-14D and F-18C, these 2 have different roles and F-14D might be far better on A-A roles than the Hornet so it's possible to put it after the Hornet, not before it
its always the december update when gaijin adds the most crazy unbalanced weird obscure and or overpowered airplanes right after doing the same thing the previous update, sometimes the one after
F/A-18s were famous before TopGun
As a former Hornet mechanic, the nostalgia must have is real right now
since eurofighter was mentioned and also cas capabilitys in germany ... the eurofighter trench 1 that will be the one implemented is actually an A/A only jet without IRST seach sensor and fairly limited capabilitys systems wise so i hope everybody keeps that in minde... the trench 3+ will be incredible even borderline op due to the amount of missiles the speed and the radar it has together with still having an multirole setup
As a Finnish person I'd love to be able to fly the Finnish Hornet :D Also loved the topgun anthem background music!!
@@elgadz haha, I think you're the first person to mention the music 🤣
11:49 thought you said AIM-9B and I was dying like theres absolutely no way lmaoooo
The Super Hornet was a completely different plane that was substantially bigger, redesigned intakes to semi recessed to slightly hide turbines, and vastly different avionics.
Did you miss the part where I said it's so massively changed that it may as well be a different plane, and the only reason it has the F-18 designation at all was for procurement? Or are you just upset that I included the super hornet in a hornet video?
@@GeneralLee2000 i mean they did literally keep parts of the hornet on but its a hell of a lot more similar than the F-5 to the F-17
I just love the part where they tricked congress to get the super hornet.
Expect it to be not as good as Irl cuz that wouldn’t be fun
finally, another installment of my favourite series
@@kizvy I'm glad you like!
CF-188 will go in the American Tree and the Australian hornet will be in the UK tree.
Thanks for reminding me that I need to play the Project wingman DLC as it just released on PC.
5:45 ASRAAM makes sense for the Australian F-18, and if the Eurofighter Typhoon also arrives, it carries ASRAAM as it’s primary IR missile (at least the new ones do)
ASRAAM is absurdly good compared to existing missiles, and the Eurofighters we are getting (at least the german and italian ones) can only use sidewinder
The F18A, F18A+, and F18C should all come in the TT as they are comparable to identical loadout types of jets in game as of now. . . Duh the normal F18A could totally come as a premium either way, but i digress lmfao
my guess, single seat on F-14 line and twin seat on attacker line, possibly harrier since both are carrier based aircraft
"bring bug spray" should be the hint for the hornet
11:47 i served in the swiss airforce and i can tell you that we have AIM-9X on our F/A18s we do still use AIM9Ps because we still use the F-5s at least thats what i ve been told during my service
Yeah I said y'all skipped from 9P5 to 9X in the video 😅.
@GeneralLee2000 oh my bad then prolly missed that part
@@maus-chanuwu1244 yeah lol it's the next line. "The swiss skipped straight from the AIM-9P5 to the AIM-9X"
@@GeneralLee2000 yeah my sleep deprived brain didn t brain that line
Crazy to think that there are planes with missles with a longer fire range than my entire country lol
F-15 Eagle Supremacy
Against American jets absoloutely
Real
when it comes to twin seater jets i wonder if warthunder can do a battlefield, i want to see a squad team up, bring out a Pe8 and bomb out a bunch of tanks, the idea is the squad leader brings out their Pe8 and everyone in their party are the other crew members, so one is the bomber the leader is the pilot and everyone else are the gunners
The Hornet in DCS is absolutely cracked though.... I hope they go that way
But so are the flankers - in WT though, the flankers can’t do shit, and they’re busses as opposed to UFOs like the Hornets & Flankers in DCS.
I’d like to see the SU-27 and Hornets be UFOs in terms of their turning ability tho, would be a nice trade off for the speed bleed.
Because it's overtuned in DCS. DCS isn't real life
Gaijin makes planes more realistic than DCS. Its kinda sad that Gaijin cares more lmao
@@themonkeyspaw7359brother in Christ, no jets can pull 16-18Gs, and saying that F-16s, arguably the best two circle fighter in the world which has relatively poor one circle capabilities, should be able to out-turn Flankers, one of the best one-circle fighters in the world, is PEAK cope
@@mikeyplayzwrldidk brother I don’t think gaijin is real life either, with missile diamonds & 16G turns. Seems like both are video games and should strive for a bit of balance mixed with IRL abilities.
Ooof, hindsight is 20/20
I imagine the f18C would go after the tomcat and the F18D would be the one to go in the attacker line (since it technically replaced the skyraiders/Skyhawks lol)
When the Hornet is mentioned, I shall appear. F18 RAAAAHHHHH🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Two years ago;
F-16A vs Mig-29 (9-12) while grinding the American tech tree
Now we’re talking about F-15’s 18’s that is just cool👍
If Italy gets the eurofighter and the f18 we eating good
Great video! Though I'd wish you'd also share the CAS loadouts in more detail, like how many of each AGM's it can carry and their range and speeds.
the cas loadouts aren't super crazy honestly, you have the 4 mavericks, some jdams, laser bombs, and agm-62s.
@@INeatFreak like he said, for most you only get 4 pylons. 6 for super hornet.
Guess homework will have to wait... again
Do ya homework, freaky ahh Kolibri
@@razvy6949 Can't resist
The super hornet can pull insane aoa, combined with higher drag it does bleed a lot of speed but if you don't pull high aoa carries a lot of speed though turns. The legacy hornet can do the same albeit with weaker engines.
Keen for the 18C/D, but more excited for the E/F. Australia also flew the E/F, so the British will probably get it too
i think it wood be posible for germany go get the F 18 C as a Fighter with no Bombs under the MiG 29G, and a F/A 18 D after the Tornado with CAS ordinants.
Im from 9 days in the future No f18
The fa18 would have been more competitive if it was released when it should have. In my opinion the fa18a/ a+ without amraams should have came when the f14B came. Still deserves to be added and I will enjoy it.
1 month late, but if gaijin starts with the 18C, there's no way they'll add the 9X, cause people aren't ready to admit the block 1 9X (yes, the block 1, the worst of the 9X platform, as it doesn't have all the things the block 2 or 3 have that people love to use as counterpoints) is ready to be added right now, and that it'd be equal to the R-73
The f18c will be better at closer ranges than bvr, even tho it has the aim120 it isn’t the fastest, but it’ll be insane in that medium to closer ranges because of its amount of missiles, and its flight performance, now it does accelerate pretty fast at lower speeds, from like 0-300mph ias it’ll feel like an f16 but then it starts to slow down after that, reaches about Mach 1.1 on the deck, it will struggle a tad bit in bvr because it bleeds speed faster, and it’s harder to get it back up, BUT it does get the aim120 and gets 10 of them, it’ll be an insane dog fighter pulling a huge amount of aoa as we see in dcs and irl, so my guess is it’s gonna have a cracked flight model like a ufo in a dogfight, but it’ll struggle in bvr a bit, it’ll also be super good in CAS with a similar loudout to the f16c but with more paveways, but it’ll still be good in bvr mainly because of the amraam, the amraam outranges about everything in game so it’s bvr capabilities will still be super good, just not on par with the f16c and f15c/e
The f18 would be a nasty turn fighter in a dog flight as it can pull aoa at will and can get nose on at very low air speed
Ngl i thought this was a war thunder post from the thumb. I got hype.
I guess gaijin forgot Norway has an f18, Norway is part of the Swedish tech tree, and they need better CAS (Gripen does 1 role at a time)
You forgot to mention that F-18s would be perfect for suicide attacks on alien spaceships(Independence Day,ofc) :p
Something you forgot about the spanish hornets is that they can carry the irisT, that could pay off the downgraded engine (of course, in a future, cause adding it would be absurd)
i hope they never add the IRIS-T or aim-9X, they would make the game unplayable. There have been instances irl where the missile (IRIS-T) has gone for flares, then pulled an 180 degree turn and hit the plane.
I want more of the old props, we are still missing many from ww2 era, especially out of Germany.
My guess is they’ll give the f18a as a premium and the f18c as a tech tree, probably with aim120bs and a newer aim9m variant
I REALLY hope they will give us versions of the aircraft that is fit for different roles similar to the F16A and F16 ADF situation
the Echo Rhino is also operated by Kuwait fyi (they just bought some recently)
All I want is the Australian F/A-18F Super Hornet for U.K tech tree:
the super hornet would be a way better option for a competitive top-tier...
Both the F-18 AND the eurofighter? I'ven't played wart hunder in half a year but i feel it calling to me..
Hold your horses, not guaranteed yet lol
Can you do one for the Lavi prototype as well perhaps? I really like the plane, it was passed to the devs for consideration back in '23, hope they implement it
The A might be a premium...
This was a good video covering the Fighter/Attacker-18
And I guess F-15 Eagle supremacy is cool and all but it's not exactly my favorite
very nice very cool , so when we get SU-47 ?
Love the topgun music
I suspect the regular A variant could be a premium they add once they start dishing out 5th gen aircraft. Then they'll add it to the US Air tree and sell it for like $120 or something lol.
Lee upload is peak
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Can you link the sources used next time? Thank you for making this succinct and helpful video, it is much appreciated:)
11:30 the Swiss did the same thing as the Finns and added ground weapons later on in their f18s life
@@bagelmaster2498 I didn't find any evidence of that, but if true that's great!
@ fair, I’ve been looking and the only thing that says it can carry air to ground weapons is the wiki(which ofc I don’t trust) but I did however, see multiple photos of the Swiss f18 with the double racks for AMRAAMs. The biggest thing I see is that most places when discussing the Swiss f/fa? 18s is that they still refer to them as f/a 18s not just f18
They have not. The only upgrade even slightly related to A2G their F-18s have received is TGPs, but thy are to improve their intercept mission, same as every other 4/4.5th gen fighter that is getting passivee sensors
@@hunterjones225 im not gonna say youre wrong, but it makes no sense to put a thermal pod on an aircraft simply for intercept when you have a radar.
@bagelmaster2498 it does. VID is incredibly important to not end up shooting down friendlies.
You also have to remember that 99% of an aircrafts "intercepts" are going to be on airliners and GA aircraft that are not responding to radio calls, not shooting down bombers.
Most TGPs also have A2A modes that will allow target tracking even if notching your radar.
But do tell me why else would US F-15Cs be flying with Sniper Pods over Southwest Asia
F/A-18 Best plane ever made and I will not take any arguments.
HAHAHA I KNEW YOU WOULD SHOW UP
@GeneralLee2000 and speaking nothing but fax 📠📠📠📠
FAX
Man is leaking F-18 documents legally :D
Seems like the F-15E wasn't enough...
F18 would be worse than the E, though it would probably be a better dog fighter
@@marshall-yo5hoplus the euro and rafale will be a counter
@@whisperingforest9909 in BVR, the f15E will still have about 500 mph over their top speed, so that will still remain the same unless they add newer missile besides mica and aim-120
@@marshall-yo5ho the Hornet should be a vastly superior dogfighter over the Strike Eagle. The only place it should be weaker is BVR
@@Severe_WX F-15E will be better anyways lol
Pls add the later f-18 variant for Sweden. Grinding without bombs is PAIN
Considering the jets the f18 will come with skipping to the super hornet wouldn't be surprising
I can’t wait to fly around in my E/A-18G and just not let anyone use radar or avionics or weapons
4:37 Hornet in Top Gun Maverick were Super Hornets. 12:09 There are photos of Swiss Hornets with the dual rack carrying 10 AMRAAM.
16:19 You missed the EA-18G Growler which Australia also uses.
Yeah, I'm aware, but Gaijin doesn't care. The F-5C has a MiG-28 skin ingame despite being the wrong variant. Yes, there are swiss F-18s with the double racks as well, I said that would be a UNIQUE option for them if they decided to do so. I didn't think I needed to specify that it still maintained the normal F-18C feature... I didn't cover the Growler since we don't have EW and maybe never will.
@@GeneralLee2000 Okay, still Gaijin's F-5C behaviour shouldn't be encouraged, and pre-order skins appear to be a thing of the past anyway.
I really hope they will add maps with aircraft carriers when they add the f18.
F-15C Eagle supremacy
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There’s also the E/A-18G Growler for electronic warfare lol
With the way the leaks are going right now, I wouldn't be surprised if super hornet shows up.... But it's just a leak list ig, doesn't mean anything will come.
how we are not at BR 20.0 right now is beyond me