EVERY FRENCH MISSILE In Detail | AA20 Nord to Magic 2 & Super 530D
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- MARCH 2024 UPDATE: On the Dev server, gaijin gave the Magic 1, Magic 2, and PL-7 a very serious buff to fin area and AOA. The Magics now pull MUCH harder and can take advantage of the full 35g that's available to them.
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0:00 - Intro
0:24 - R550 Magic 1
2:09 - R550 Magic 2
4:41 - AA20 Nord (anti-air version of AS20)
6:12 - R511
7:30 - R530
9:07 - R530E
9:59 - Super 530F
11:34 - Super 530D
13:06 - AS30L (lmao)
13:51 - Future: MICA, Magic buffs, 530F buffs? - Ігри
6:57 usually the R.511 randomly exploding isn’t actually random. If you look at its FOV, it’s 10° before *and* after launch. Anytime the missile has to lead ahead of the target, it will lead so far ahead that it can’t even see the target anymore.
Basically it’s only useful in direct headons or rear aspect. If they’re angled more like like 5° off your nose it’s not even worth it.
Didn't consider the post-launch FOV, that actually makes a lot of sense now
So its only able to hit targets when it doesn't have to lead too much. Head ons mainly
Only the french would make a lopsided missile 🫠
Well, no. But they did it first.
I raise you the 2.3 jap boi from the event we just had
the french missile guidance system does not know where it is or where it should be
Yet they can shoot down F-22's
@@osmacar5331you lot will never stop wanking that sim
the R511 is also found on the Mirage 3C (ik it has better missiles but technically it is also found on that plane)
Funnily enough, it's an "upgrade" while you start with the better R530
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A few people told me I talk too fast and they were having trouble understanding me, so I'm experimenting with subtitles on my bigger videos. If you use the subtitles and think I should keep doing them let me know.
I personally love your speaking style - very clear and quick information, but I'm sure there are people who would benefit from subtitles as well!
I'm not sure anyone has told you yet, subtitles are a big W!! First time checking out your channel; I consider myself to be a really good at top tier with a great understanding of missiles and this video still taught me a lot!
0:30 Mirage 2000CS-5 also uses Magic 1's you forgot
10:11 Both the Mirage 2000CS-5 and 2000-5F can use the Super 530F
Read the text at the bottom of the screen. I don't include planes in the list if they have a directly better missile avilable. I forgot to include it with the R511 but the Mirage IIIC also has the R511 as well.
A30L is best middle range air to air missle in entire game since it always ignores countermeasures
No
That’s a massive stretch
I do the same with AGM65’s
@@PvtPartzzkh25 for me
@@PvtPartzzthe advantage of the AS-30L is that you can switch targets after launch.
I wish we got really soon (at best next update) the Mirage4000.
10x magics 2 on a plane with twr>1.1 would be amazing.
Also magic2 are still far from what they should be. Better irrcm (They use a Co2 detector to differentiate aircraft from flares), 50G, more range etc etc..
Ngga aim9m the same i need my 50g
I want the Mirage 4000 so bad. If they can take creative liberties with the Yak-141 to give us a "what if" production Yak-41M, I'd absolutely love for them to do the same so we can get the Mirage 4000 in the game.
@@sanmiguel4774 aim-9M ain’t 50G tho 🤔
@@sanmiguel4774the most the 9L/m pull is 30-40G and they’re ONLY single plane. So you ain’t getting shit
@@jaek_898and the super phantom
I am slightly mad Gaijin called the Nord-Aviation AA/AS 20 the Nord, it's like if I called the FIM 92 "Raytheon" or the R-27 "Vympel"
Also fun fact, the ATLIS pod was accidentally made into a A/A pod as they found out during testing it could lock and track Mystere IV's
The 530F had a CW seeker at first, but it was dropped due to no tracking as good as the pulse one (hence why the Cyrano III and IV had an optional CW seeker)
What i would like to see is the M2K-S3 with the RDM+ radar that got a CW module to use 530Ds. It would be worse than the S5 but could mean a CW seeker at a lower BR
5:49 Friend I play with usually tries to bait people into a frontal attack with him before lobbing a Nord at them. It's surprisingly effective and he has gotten top teir kills with that strategy.
That's literally how I'm getting consistent kills with the g91y.
People still head on everything regardless of BR so it is super effective, but it's risky as you need to fire it very late
AS-30L's are brilliant in Ground RB for anti-helicopter duties since Heli pilots at that BR are so used to MAWS Flare spam defeating IR missiles that they almost never even try to dodge it.
I do that with mavericks lmao
who’s saying u can’t use this for basically any other atgm
You should totally make a "real maneuverability" video, doing the test you did with the Magic 2s with every missile in the game.
DO NOT sleep on the AA20 Nord. I finally tried it out during my G.91Y stock grind, and it actually came in really handy. Two practical uses for it, as far as I could tell. First, slamming someone in a head-on is very funny. Sadly, doesn't always work, but it worked enough to justify taking them, and got me some very stupid kills while not having to take a full-commit head-on. Second, and also kinda funny, using them from a greater distance to force someone to turn away in a head-on, giving you an opportunity for a gun kill. Less effective in a chase, but can still work.
Awesome video Jaek_ i cant wait for the Mica to come too. Its probly gonna be next year tho before we will get them. I love that you added the AS-30L XD. Been using them also in the Jaguar E, but since they have changed the laser lock (the green circle always being outside the aircraft now insted of on the aircraft) i would now only try to use them if the enemy tries to land on their airfield to finish them off.
The green circle thing is just a
visual inconsistency. If you go into the laser sight view, you’ll see the designator is actually tracking just fine. It still hits planes just as well as it did before.
Came here after Seek's video on evading the more advanced IR AAMs. Man, what a great explanation of how the missiles work, how Gajin modeled them into the game, and the most effective techniques to counter them. That video made it into my 'War Thunder Tutorial' playlist! Well done man, well done!
Just a slight adjustment, the R511 is available on both the vautour IIN and the Mirage IIIC
I'm nearing 500 battles in the vautour (late) and had my great deal of fun with the r.511s. My advice is to take 3 AA.20s and 1 r.511. Looking at the pylons from the front of the aircraft it should be AA.20 R511 AA.20 AA.20 (yes in that order so that the weight of the wing is more distributed if you fire AA.20s first). You will get the most use of the R.511 at around 5-6km mainly going for bombers and afk climbers. (I recommend right after spawning flying straight until you reach 1000kph and then put it to a 15 degree climb until you reach 5-6km height). Also, don't forget to switch your radar to 20km range and narrow the search area to the narrowest one for easy locks. You can't exactly maintain a lock with any terrain interference, so the only kills you're going to be getting is right at the start of the match and on very distracted, stalled out targets. One last thing, when firing at a closing in target from 8km give your missile a little loft so it has that little bit of extra height in case it needs to glide a bit.
absolutely amazing video, I love your use of the mission editor? to show comparisons!
This is my favorite wt content. Only vids that I watch multiple times and reference for other people who ask questions about all the weird jet stuff
11:35 I've also heard that the Super 530F is named that because it was used on the Mirage F1, and that they went to D because well there is no letter in the Mirage 2000's name.
Then tf is E for on R530E 😭
@@jaek_898mirage 3E?
it's E for miragE, clearly
@jaek_898 gaijin Invention. There's 530 and 530R (new better rocket) but the head change does not matter in designation. So Gaijin invented the E to separate the EM and IR head switch
The D stands for Dopler, its the first of the 530 family to have access to a dopler radar for guidance rather than just the old mirage 3 search or just mti on the mirage F1 that's why
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Omg ur comment at 14:06. “No clue how Gaijin is gonna shoehorn the MiCA in with the aim120a”. You could see the future! Can’t wait to see how badly they cripple that missile to not be VASTLY better than the 120A
On the chaff rejection for the 530F, the last I had heard about it was they closed all tickets on it and said it is working as intended in its current form. That was like two months ago though, so I'm not sure if they changed that again. Though supposedly it has chaff rejection in rear and front aspect now, but I need to test it
J'pense qu'on peut clairement aller manger nos morts ...
Shit, that's quite good piece of content. Subscribed
Mirage F1 so goated rn. Magic 2 keeps getting better and better. Best tech tree grind I’ve had yet
Was waiting for this
J’attendais ça
If the Magic 2 gets multi-plane authority and 50G, I fully expect Stingers and Mistrals to become nothing short of HORRIFYING. Imagine NATO MANPADS as they are now, but capable of pulling around twice as hard. RIP any aircraft within 4km
Stingers and Mistrals would be unaffected. The issue with the Magic 2 is not just that it’s dual-plane maneuverability was 50G. It’s that the Magic 2 IRL has a special control section that can actually rotate around the body of the missile. This means that it actually *never* uses single-plane maneuverability and can always take advantage of the full 50G. I don’t think Stingers or Mistrals use this system so it’s kinda unrelated.
Also Gaijin has already confirmed they are fixing MANPADS.
my le mirage detectur is off the charts rn!!
14:04 well they did it
The r511 is also on the mirage 3 C aswell as the vautour.
My god this video is really well made
amazing intro
The french had more bread loaf variants than I thought
Just a great video
On the note of ATGMs slamming into enemy planes, there's a Short by NitroxTV of him doing exactly that with Kh-38s on the Su-25SM3. Because yes.
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@@jaek_898 yeah... I noticed you miseed something ! The R-511 is also on the Mirage IIIC, they added it retroactively. Apart from that, great video, as always !
I would like to see a British middle video next.🙂
The ace combat music bringing back memories
I subscribed for this video.
gotta b honest, my favourite missile in the game is the aa20 nords, quite literally the best weapon against helis, if you learn their speed and how far they actually are from your target, you can quite easily kill anything, they have a 15(?) if not 20meter proxy fuse and if a heli is lacking, you will get your 18k SL every time
One of the biggest benefits of the 530s is in a headon you WILL lock spool and fire faster than anything else
Ace Combat mission breifing music goes HARD.
The magic 2s really suffer in head-on engagements, I’ve got maybe a 5% success rate with head-ons, they a very easy flared front aspect, and that 1.8s fuse delay makes them useless being fired anything less than 2km in front. They also really suffer from not have a sustainer motor, as they have very little range, and you’d be lucky to hit someone flying away from you only 1.8km ahead. Side aspect, unless you’re above or they’re flying towards you, 2km is as far as you want to fire from. It’s a huge difference from aim9ms as I’d get killed from 5+ km away with those, but at least they got the arming time nerfed
I got to a point where I avoid head-ons with french planes if I don't have any 530F or 530D. The Magic Two is just not for hdn
@jaek_898 can you do all AA radar missles. You can also include the IR surface-to-air missiles in the video
that intro was fucking gold
7:12 a (maybe not so) fun fact about missiling a tu4, because this missile has an 8km launch limit (even though the radar can lock from like 40km)+ the fact that the missile flies so darn slow, if you missile a tu4 in a headon from max range by the time the missile reaches the tu4 you are actually close enough to just have used guns instead 💀
It's nice to see someone make fun of the French for a good reason, that isn't just for something being French.
Thank you for doing going the extra mile on that😅
Imagine france
What a nightmare
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gaijin adding arhaam in june, mica with 50g, and french is gonna go nuts
Chinese missiles next 🙏 good video as always
Where do you get that custom mission where you can fire off 2 missles at once in the su-57 ,seems fun so I wanna try it
France has to be nerfed so people don't complain, that's the saddest statement I came to realise when playing France in WT, quite the underdog and unexpected competition but I still quite enjoy them despite all the bullshit they suffer from. Also, I know the British Jaguar has them too, but those rockets (Forgot the name...) that deploy multiple arrows like APFSDS is very hilarious to kill people in heads-on with.
511 in on a mirage or two as well, surprisingly
6:15
Yeah forgot the little disclaimer I put there for all the other missiles. The 3C has it.
the nords are LETHAL. love them in the vautor.
The r511 is also on the mirage 3c
the R511 is absolutely hilarious if/when it hits a target.
Thanks for the info. What I got from this is that Pulse sucks and I got no choice currently
Pretty much, unfortunately
The way you manage to be extre,ely serious and in-depth while being beyond funny at the same is unfathomable to me. Im not sure if i learnt more or laughed more by watching the video, holy fuck
Can't believe we still don't have the AA.25 Nord yet
can you do Israeli missiles next wanna know more about their tech tree cause im grinding it out
+as30l are no longer usable for aa kill coz gaijin said that they turn around
Anyone have any idea what has happened to the Magic 1s? I cannot get a kill with them at all now and they used to be great. Just insta flared and even chasing a mig 19 from 2km it still didnt connect.. They just feel useless now
jaek
So... British AAMs next or those not worth the time/effort?
Gonna group the british/chinese/israeli/etc ones into one video
@@jaek_898 Great!
"French missiles tend to have quirks" so does everything that comes out of France.
Exocet❤
The nord is our lord and saviour
As a French ground main (listen, I know, I’m sorry.) finally getting to top tier air, I have no idea how to make the 530f’s work. I can never even get a lock. I run magic 2’s and 530e’s always because apparently I don’t know how to radar missile
about the 511 his poor performance is mainly caused by his lead equations being trash and the fact that he flies like a plane so basically he have to roll to pull in the direction he wants
What did the tu-4 do
Where do you find all the missiles specifications?
In the files. I unpack them myself so I can get them in strict blk format but theyre available on gszabi's github
@@jaek_898 thanks 💓
Me enjoying 4x R3R pulse missile at 8k alt in mig 21smt(10.3) 🗿🍷
onece i killed a f5c with a as.34 on the marineflieger (the event tornado from 2022)
Didn't the magic 2 get a 8m proximity and better rate of turn a couple of days ago?
There were changes to the engine and to drag and to the range table but I dont recall anything about the things you mentioned
@@jaek_898I looked into the datamine to check. Looks like they did both
Where is Perennial? Is he safe, is he alright?
He missed the boat this morning
He is now starving in the village
please do british missiles?
I wish the Super 530 had an IR variant.
530e
MAGIC 2's PULL 50's above mach 2 nowwww
my biggest grief with the radar missiles france has is that the radars on anything but the f1s and 2000s are so fucking finicky. I climb high and rush to nail any americans that are sleeping but even when i see the damn contrail and im pointing the nose the radar is still blind. Any tips? also i fly a spaded 3c mirage
My magic 2 don't work lol, they get flared very easily even from behind, hardly get any kills with them.
Can u pls do this with Swedish missles
They are all copy paste of usa/soviet missiles. Go check the videos on those missiles.
God I wish I was in high tier
@jaek_ great video but the aa20 is not unique the brits also have one called firestreak
Firestreak is an IR missile and fireflash is SACLOS (mouse guided)
I knew the magic 2 was really good and not me having massive skill issue
I have to agree that the French magics are great and better than any other missiles at 10.3. The matra radar missiles are hard to get used to. The super matra is for example totally unusable against American fighters like f14 and f16 cause their radar is way better and when your missiles gets outplayed by 1 chaff it's kinda useless. The only situation they shine is against russian fighter where you aren't be seen 200km away
What did Tu4s did in 2016??m
It was 6.3 on release and there could be more than 4 of them per team. They could also win games by bombing the airfield, AND they would get 5.3 games constantly. If you were playing a prop, assuming you could even get to them in time, their cannons would vaporize you. And if you didnt, they would just auto-win the game without rearming.
magic 2 is capable for 50G
But since gaijin need ton of proof the missile will stay at 35g
how the fuck do you have the hmd radar on the 2000 5F ? i have tested it and i can't find how to activate it
They added it recently. Use the radar beyond/within visual range combat a second time (the same one you use to enter ACM from search)
Didn't the magics just get a buff to 60G? Saw that in one of the last "Its fixed" changelog
60! where did you get that from?... no it's still 35
Their track rate got buffed to 60 deg/s, their G is the same.
So are you telling me that Italians and Germans also used French missiles? The G.91 can carry some French missiles then
Yes
5:06 um sir. toshuku heiki event. ki-48 also has manually guided missiles. debunked
There are other manual guided missiles, but the AA20 and Rb05 are the only ones I know of that have a proximity fuse.
Chat is France real?
I feel like the Magic2s could get buffed by simply adding a (nonhistorical) double pylon.
Like, sure, those double pylons did not exist, but for the love of god, it is not like that would make the Mirage 2k suddenly ultragood.
It is a fine plane, don't get me wrong, but in comparison to Mig29 and F-16, it is not exactly that good.
it did exist, temporarily, on the F8, but was quickly abandoned as they were made doe Sidewind-ER's could not resist the Magic's launch impulse
British missile?
They are litteraly all american missiles except the starstreak…
XD
You know, you mention chaff rejection on the 530F and... Couldn't Gaijin just give it a CW seeker and be done with it? Like, for the love of god, the F1C is pretty damn helpless comared to a Mig23MLA or other, more capable planes at 11.3.
They could, and that would fix all of its problems and make it a very good missile. But I don't think they would ever do that, it's too much of a stretch. They try to keep missiles as realistic as reasonably possible.
@@jaek_898 I mean, they have to do something at least.
At 11.3, the F1C is not exactly stellar, so either they give the 530F a fictional pulse seeker or the F1C goes down to 11.0 or something.
IMO it should have been added quite a while ago at 11.0 with Magic 1s. I think by giving it Magic 2s theyre pushing it up in BR and trying to make it something it's not. It would make a pretty good 11.0 with Magic 1s, and the matchmaker would be a lot more forgiving.
It's not stellar at 11.3 but with all the buffs to the magic 2 and with the mirage's flight model buff I think it's fine at its BR now. I actually enjoy playing it.
@@jaek_898 I mean, in a vacuum it is fine.
But given that other planes at the same BR boast far greater performance, it begs the question if it wouldn't be better to have a F1C early and F1C late. Or F1A and F1C to differentiate the two.
Would also make more sense later on, because apparently the F1C could carry the MICA, which, as you alluded to, would be ridiculous.
6:15 FALSE. LIES. IT'S ALSO ON THE MIRAGE 3C FOR SOME REASON! I'M CALLING GAIJIN ON YOU!!
Fr*nch
They fr made a R-77 (shit one) in 1960s
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Our old missile still works better than your R77 nowadays 😂
Cringe: IR, SARH, CW
Based: ATGM, MCLOS
Video over
reject chaff, go back to plen
French such at naming stuff??? Maybe it is because you don't understand what its write. French particularly are better for naming BECAUSE it is most if the time an acronym who need mire brain to find! Ok sometimes its exegerate but far more better than use "tiger" for the 15th time or just like soviet or Chineese with type:>put a number! T for tank or F for falcon.....😂 French planes are a weather/météo effect name.
Take MEPHISTO Vab: Module Élévateur Panoramique Hot Sur Tourelle Orientable need far more talent than just name it Warrior or Bradley the name of a général !!! Or magic missiles its Missile Auto-Guidé Interception et Combat. Who is exactly is définition. French is the country of poésy, and famous for be the Nation of Ideas like a well known saying said:" In France we don't have Petrol, but we have ideas"
Why are french planes so bad
Your lack of knowledge is as hopeless as your opinion.
@@Solveig.Tissot I'm surprised anyone saw this comment lol. But I don't see how my view of french planes is wrong. They have a few decent contenders but the majority of them are planes originating from other nations. The only good original planes I can think of offhand are the mirage 2k/4k
@@Solveig.TissotFrench planes are really good planes IRL, but in War Thunder its a fact that they are just trash
French 🤢
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