Tom, thanks so much for inviting me along. It was such a great and fun experience to be included in one of your range tests, especially driving your F-150 which I have been anticipating the launch of as you were. To Tom’s fans, he was being modest by not mentioning that over the past few years, he has given me a wealth of EV education which caused me to buy my 2019 Model 3 instead of another ICE Subaru, and also to become an EV advocate. State of Charge is the best EV UA-cam channel!
@@vlad2838 I bet he would have if I asked him, but I’m in NJ near Tom and Carmine’s lives in Florida now. He loves my Tesla. His son, Nick, owns a Model 3.
Compliments to you Pete! I could tell you REALLY understand the methodology and worked hard to replicate Tom’s method exactly. You even were picking different lanes when possible to avoid drafting effects right? Well done!
Tom, just started watching your channel and subscribed a few weeks ago. Your non-biased opinion of the truck is what drove me to ultimately be comfortable with my purchase. You live in an area with similar weather conditions to me (I'm in Ohio and my parents are from PA so we all have about the same weather/seasons) so it's been good to see what you can get out of a Lightning with similar conditions to what I will experience. Too many reviews/videos I saw were from sunny California or mountainous PNW or Colorado. They all have their use cases but I felt comfortable that given my driving situation (mostly around town/for my 10 miles work commute and then one or two 500 mile trips back to PA/NJ a year) I would be happy in one of these. The Pro definitely seems to be the best bang for the buck. I got a leftover 2023 Fleet Order Pro ER and absolutely love it (wish I could have your Lariat ER but it was a little outside my price range, hah!). Thanks for not sugar coating the downsides to them but instead helping people stay informed on the those possible downsides and helping them integrate that information into their decision making. Too many people want to just say that EVs are for everyone or that they just suck and noone should buy them and there's not enough out there about the specific use-case of the individual. We are all entitled to enjoy our car of choice (I also have a 2014 Mustang lol) without feeling the need to shove it down everyone's throat. It's clear you love EVs but also recognize they aren't for everyone.
That pro model really is a great value. The Mrs.wants an electric Bronco. Hopefully we see one in the next couple years. Thanks for another great video Tom.
for a daily work truck, this is a fantastic option, even after they raised the price. if you were able to get one at the original price they offered at... what a deal man!
Heck of a review. Honestly, best auto review I've had in forever. I'm a car dude with a truck, amg, and 2 bikes. Thanks to you I'm ready to pull the trigger & trade my 13 ecoboost fx4 for a lightning. (got her new, soup'd it up & have been hesitant to sell until now because she's my baby). I work with contractors/and field personnel so ima convince the ceo to grab some if mine ain't a lemon!!😉 Cheers friend, you got another subscriber!
Thanks again TOM, as my PRO will arrive next week and testing for my own benefit in a similar 'loop' will include some hills and valleys, although not strenuous, but part of the overall 100 mile run - then comes the test on the same loop with my 3,000lb camper to see how that degrades the overall miles - I suspect that I drive slower than your test, and will get 220 miles with the base truck test, and I am hoping for 100 or better with the camper.... we shall see. Yes, the PRO is THE DEAL for a battery-electric TRUCK, which is really also a fantastic SUV 5-seater, a tremendous UTILITY vehicle, and an EV with all the practical TOWING POWER. William, 57, Insurance agent/agency owner, married 35 YEARS!, father of 4 grown boys, and now two beautiful Daughter-in-laws : ) I sold my other two cars, a '14 Ford Focus with excellent mpg of 40+, and our '15 Nissan LEAF, back in MAY since I originally had a build-week of 5/30 - well, that got pushed back no less than 6 times for over 8 additional weeks - I've been without my own RIDE since then!
Wow, thanks so much! What an incredible result! Compliments to Pete, it’s evident that he really REALLY understands the methodology and worked hard to replicate your drive exactly! He was even using different lanes to avoid drafting when possible!
Awesome video, I'm waiting on my xlt with the standard battery ordered in January. Wanted the pro but was sold out within a day of my order bank opening up. Put my deposit within hours of release in May 2021.
FWIW, Tom kept being sent erroneous info about his delivery date... Roman at TFL ended up getting their one soonest, by switching to a dealer, near to where it was produced...
Thank you for the very informative and real world highway test!! Nice to know the Pro delivers in real driving. Now I’m SAD about the price increase for 2023 models. Thanks again!
Love the test. Regarding air conditioning: For real world purposes I would like to see the AC switched to some kind of Auto or Eco mode at a set temperature. That's what I do when I drive and I think it most fairly reflects the typical consumption of a vehicle. "fan speed 2" is probably different in every vehicle, but what really is important is a pleasant temp regardless of how the car achieves that.
Thanks for this video! I'm next in line at my dealer and could have taken one of their dealership Lariat allocations, but decided to wait on a 2023 Pro. (Unless I can find a dealer selling a 2022 Pro at list.)
Just stumbled across this very interesting test , one of the issues for a lot of people , is cars are a fairly large purchase , some of us keep cars for 15 or 20 or even 30 years or even longer , and if you have an ICE vehicle it has a couple of big advantages. For a start , the range of ICE vehicles , and the fact ICE vehicles generally keep their range pretty close to what it was when they left the showroom floor for decades as long as basic maintenance is kept up. But on electric vehicles , we know batteries degrade , and with that the range too . And batteries are very very expensive. And the other point you already mentioned is that electric vehicles do due to their very construction being a battery powered vehicle burn through energy or fuel at a significantly faster rate than ice vehicles when under load or in adverse conditions . And this has been proven time and time again. As you said , Electric vehicles are not for everyone . In saying that , it would be interesting to see this identical test done on these very same two vehicles in 5 years time and maybe even 10 ten years time to see how the range has held up and the vehicles in general. Cheers.
You should do a video where you tow a pro with a pro and then take the towed vehicle off and drive it the rest of the way. It would be interesting if two pros together have the same or more range than one extended battery!
Thanks for this review Tom! as usual good yeoman's job, I'm 2 weeks from my pro landing at my dealer!! and getting amped up, also appreciate the honesty on the pro. for my use this is perfect 95% of the time. My plan is to get a local fitter to add cooled/heated seats with leather, lower it couple inches, some kind of step and I'm golden. Will be first on line for the remodeled '25 that will have bigger/ better battery system and whatever else ford does to keep up with the competition, meantime I have an amazing truck for 37,500 that will no doubt be worth all of that if I want to sell it at that point. By the way I do have a cybertruck reserved that will prolly be here about the time the next gen lightning lands. btw, around here ele is 8.9 - 9.1 c/ kilo. Thanks again Tom ~ Roger
The Pro is cheaper vs a "comparably equipped" ICE XLT... there are Ford dealers that have done the comparisons and posted them online... But ofc buy what fits your needs....
Good stuff Tom, and thanks to Pete for joining you. What people really need to hear is what did the 200 or so miles cost, if you charged at home? At 16 mpg, and $5/gallon, that trip would have cost you about $63 in an ICE F150. For the electric - $15-20?
@@harringtonchampion - Chris, EVs are torque monsters, so climbing mountains is no problem. What goes up must come down, so one way will require way less energy than the other.
@@harringtonchampion Unlike an ICE truck, an EV *recovers* a good percentage of energy spent climbing the hill on the way back down. So while your MPG in mountainous driving is greatly reduced, it doesn't have nearly the effect on an EV because of regeneration.
I would like to see a towing comparison between the standard and extended range models… nothing too big , maybe 2500 lbs… Just to see how well the standard battery does
I raced a young kid in an Audi s6 or a8 s5 or something, it was really loud, we were neck in neck because his reaction time was better. But he sure was surprised. Mine is the 2022 standard range lariat.
Awesome video! I’d love to trade my tundra in for this pro model. But I do pull a 3500 lb box of a camper. Typically no more than 100 miles one way. Think this would be pretty hard in western pa at this time
@@hotelvictortango it’s def possible you’re right. Aerodynamic seem to make alot bigger difference than the weight. My camper is a big box. I go back and forth on whether it’ll work for my use case
ToM thanks for digging in on the standard range for us poor plebes eagerly awaiting ours! Can’t wait to see results of fast charge test. And maybe range test with roll up tonneau cover?
214 if you want to push it , the Pro is still pretty decent. Most guys won’t drive that in a day. If you do need more,you always have the bigger battery pack for more $$$. Towing? You’re gonna need a bigger battery like some needed a bigger boat.
Crazy considering this is a full size crew cab awd truck with 460hp and at hwy speeds it went over 200miles on less than 3 gallons worth of gas in total energy used. As gas is listed at 33.7kwhs of total useable energy per gallon and road diesel is 37.9kwhs per gallon in total energy. 👍🏻😎
Crazy, how heavy a battery pack has to be, to just carry only 3 gallons worth of petrol power.... And how UA-cam experts, love to nonsensically, compare apples to oranges.... lmao ;)
@@nc3826 yet this truck weighs hundreds of pounds less than a loaded raptor full of fuel with 35s does or a ram trx with fuel. And it can beat both of those trucks 0-60mph and in the 1/4mile bone stock without burning anything. But hey that's probably also apples to oranges right bucko? 😂
What a huge price difference. I would take 2 instead, too! His and hers 😂 Seriously. That std will cover 90% of the same needs. Don't think the capacity difference really effects daily use.
Thanks Tom! Given today's news, i'm sure this test is going to be crucial for folks. Guessing we'll see many people decide to order Standard range now given the pricing.
Great vlog Tom. Do you recommend individuals that tow should buy an extension cable? This would make it easier to charge when traveling, since many charging stations do not have a pull through. Also when charging at camping sites. Thanks.
Really enjoy your videos. Those is just a suggestion. Here in Australia, most highways are 60 miles (100km) an hour. On your range tests how about doing it at the 70 miles and the return trip at 60 miles. Then you can compare how much extra range you get by going 10 miles slower. Also, it would be more applicable to international audiences that have the same speeds as us 👍👍👍🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Fords are designed at a cost point that reflects base models. I have had 3 Gen6 Mustangs; EB PP, GT PP and GT350. The one we still have is the EB PP, a brilliant car for the sub $30k we paid. The GT350 was fantastic, but for less than half the money the EB PP is every bit as fun, very economical and frankly handles better with the lighter engine. Sublime Magnetic shocks, huge brakes and supportive Recaro equipped GT350 aside…
We drove to Florida this past thanksgiving from Hamilton NJ, I’m trying to do the math if we take my lariat SR, I think I would have to stop every 200 miles. I did the trip on fords trip planner & it estimated it at only 3.5 hrs longer than it took us to drive in our Jeep renegade.
At 10:35 Pete talks about BluesCruise and Autopilot, and mentions that BluesCruise you disengage and change lanes manually and it re-engages on its own in the new lane, while Autopilot on Tesla you have to disengage and re-engage. That's true for the free included Autopilot, but BluesCruise is a $1600 + $600 for 3 years upgrade. If you're going to compare, also mention enhanced autopilot ($6000) or FSD. If you have either of those, you don't even have to disengage at all because you tap the stalk and it automatically changes lanes on its own, very smoothly.
Thanks for the post. BTW, Would love to see a DCFCing session of the GMC HUMMER EV and its charging curve. When you can get access to one. TFL-EV's brief DCFCing session with it, a few months ago maxxed out at a painfully slow rate. But I still keep hearing GM's claims for it, repeated. So it would be nice to know, if the GM's claimed 350 kW rate, is real or not?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney i guessed that... But the geek in me is dying to know the real facts, since you're the gold standard for DCFC testing... So good luck finding a loaner from someone.... Like from your buddy Roman and his gang ;)
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney you are so anti GM I would not loan you one either! Your comments on the new Blazer ev turned me off on your channel! I was a loyal follower but now I realize you do not support all EVs since you bought the Lightning. Under 300 miles for the price you paid for the Lightning is pathetic!
21:50 That's not how percentages work. If he has 33% larger battery, then you have 25% smaller battery and should have 25% shorter range (not 33%) and he should be left with 25% state of charge if you are at 0%. So if anything, extended range battery overperformed or standard range underperformed. Edit: Sorry, I may have come across as pedantic. My point wasn't "you made a mistake", my point was in the last sentence - SR underperformed/ER overperformed.
This is how I see it - maybe I've been out of school too long! If I use the extended range battery range test as the benchmark (we finished up with 270 miles) then the standard range should have finished up with 202.5 miles (75% of 270). If we use the standard range battery range test as the benchmark, we would expect 286 miles from the ER battery (1.336% of 214). No?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Sure, but you were not referring to the original test at 21:50. You were comparing it to this test and the second vehicle which had 30% left. The second vehicle would've finished with 306 miles (214*(100/70)) on the same day with same conditions.
Very useful knowledge. Thank you. Ideally, it would be great to test a standard range battery on a Pro with all options, XLT SR loaded, and a Lariat SR loaded. It would also be ideal to test them over a mixed highway and city course similar to the EPA dynamometer simulation testing. One question I would like to know is what model did EPA test to determine the range (230 miles for 2022 models, 240 miles for 2023 models) posted on the Pro, XLT, Lariat SR window stickers?
Did you get the miles per kw from the Lariat’s drive? In theory with the larger tires and weight of the battery I’d think it would he 2.0 maybe? That would be a good think to know to compare those on literally the exact same drove and conditions.
Thanks for all the great content! So, in these conditions, at 70 mph you averaged 2.2 mi/kWh. Do you know or can you estimate what the efficiency would be at 65 and 60 mph?
It would be interesting to do the freeway speed test at 40mph, which is slow enough that aerodynamic drag is minimal versus still a reasonable speed... You could do just a quarter SoC worth, since you can compare it to a quarter of capacity from this test... Pretty please?
Finally the poor mans version is tested. Thanks Tom as 40k is much more my price range than 80k and above. This would suffice for most people's day-to-day work vehicle. Imagine the fuel savings in a year. Get rid of the mirrors and you got 10 more miles added to the range. 😉
Tom you've got your sums crossed up there. The large battery is 33% bigger than the small battery but that's 33% of the small battery. 33% of the small battery is 25% of the larger battery and that is what you should have been reading at the end of the test, 25%. So to end up with 30% is actually slightly surprising and quite impressive.
Yes, I realized that later. I was doing this in real-time and just didn't think it through properly. I was thinking about the fact that the ext range has 33 kWh so when the test was done the ext range should have about 8.25 kWh still available (8.25 kWh per 1/4). My bad
by the way, TOM, I'm assuming those PRO tires are the Michelin PRIMACY XC All-Terrains, as what shows as the only option for the PRO Lightning. I'm wondering if switching those out for some all-season/touring tires would give us much greater range, or at least enough difference to warrant the change. I don't see myself ever needing all-terrains, but I also don't see the need to spend $1,000 to change them if the range difference is not big enough.
That's about 342km for the metric minded. Honestly for many who just use the truck for commuting with the occasional trip to the hardware store or lugging a boat to the cottage, this is plenty.
This truck would have been such a deal if they coulda kept it at 40k. They get significantly more Range then my sr+ does at 70 mph and they where the same price. Plus the added space and ride quality.
At that price, even Europe would be full of F-150s. It really is incredible value, and I’ve heard that companies can even get the Pro with the bigger battery. But this is what happens when you take a car that you’re selling a million times every year and put a decent electric power train beneath, the costs stay low. 👍
Yes, fleet customers can get the extended range battery. I would imagine at some point down the road (way down the road) retail customers will be able to also.
I wanna see a range test with one of these at around 80 mph. 2 kwh seems to be the average in every video Ive seen at 70 mph, but I'm curious how much range you'd lose at 80.
Anyone know why the Lightning Pro isn't more popular? I"m considering buying one can get it out the door with taxes and fees for 46k$. Will I miss the tech of the Rivian or Tesla?
Why wouldn't Ford use the same 18" wheels on all the Lightning models for even better range? But that 214 miles of range on the Pro just isn't enough for me, no matter how much less it costs compared to the others.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney But if you are going to use it as a work truck, between plugging in tools and maybe towing very light loads or fill the bed, that 200 miles can be reduced to half that in no time.
Best range in the first indicated 1/4 “tank”, a lot of liquid fuel gauges do that as well. What counts are the units of energy that have to be replaced after a given distance, or miles per kWh. 7 1/2 minutes in, it seems y’all are in the neighborhood of 2 miles per. Ouch
Enjoyed your video but don't PROMOTE higher sale prices, you seem to be a good guy and I subscribed but damn. They already raised the price due to so called battery prices. I too am torn between basic, just get the job done and Lariat. But I am 57 and want comfort and nice, the only thing with me is I want leather, moonroof and everything except the fancy blue cruise and driving warning software. But it's a package I guess. Nice video comparison. Is the price difference worth 90 miles.
I'll be interested in what the Pro does in the winter. No heat pump, no heated seats or wheel and a large cabin. That thing is going to get 80 miles on a full charge in the winter
it's true that this is untested until 6 months from now when we start to see those in the northern state, Canada, and Alaska start to report what they are seeing... though I also assume that many don't drive as much in very harsh climates during the winter, either.
@@turnersinsurance8656 I have a standard range mustang Mach-E awd. Much smaller cabin with heated seats and wheel. I get almost a 100 less miles on my guess-o-meter in the winter than I do in the winter
@@EVandMe good to know, and I'm sure it will vary depending on the region and temps... I see that many northern states, Alaska, and Canadian provinces have many parking lots with 120v outlets, I suppose for engine block heating, but it would certainly be an option for EVs, too.
He probably only had 30% because you had been at 0 for a while. I think it's something ford does to give a little extra juice to find a charger so they say you have an empty battery when you don't.
I see what you say about the price, but can you even get the PRO? Also, if your going the same speed, how are you passing each other? Or is it different footage/editing?
You can only get the Pro - or ANY Lightning if you reserved on last year. They stopped taking reservations after they took 220,000 of them in a couple months. As for passing, we did a couple passes (3 or 4) for video during the range test. That wouldn't have any recordable effect on the result.
Tom you went on again about how good a value the Pro model is but never mention that it wasn't really possible to buy as a retail consumer. Ford 'sold out" of the Pro in wave #1 of 7 waves.... Only allocated about 3% of total volume for MY22 for retail pro orders. Ford keeps getting credit for offering it, but you needed to win the lottery to get it.
You're right, I should have mentioned that you simply can't get one now if you didn't reserve it last year. But they will eventually ramp up production and these will be available for anyone to purchase. It's probably going to take 1.5 years, unfortunately.
unsprung rotational mass. heavier wheels and tires less range harder to get going, keep going, and less stopping power and turning ability. Its that simple. Same reason lightweight wheels, especially carbon fiber get so much better performance
Tom, thanks so much for inviting me along. It was such a great and fun experience to be included in one of your range tests, especially driving your F-150 which I have been anticipating the launch of as you were.
To Tom’s fans, he was being modest by not mentioning that over the past few years, he has given me a wealth of EV education which caused me to buy my 2019 Model 3 instead of another ICE Subaru, and also to become an EV advocate. State of Charge is the best EV UA-cam channel!
I was wondering if Carmine from the band would make a cameo appearance! Rock on, Pete!
@@vlad2838 I bet he would have if I asked him, but I’m in NJ near Tom and Carmine’s lives in Florida now. He loves my Tesla. His son, Nick, owns a Model 3.
We in the audience send you a big “thanks Pete!” for helping out.
@@siryoda8145 The pleasure is all mine, to be sure 👍🏻
Compliments to you Pete! I could tell you REALLY understand the methodology and worked hard to replicate Tom’s method exactly. You even were picking different lanes when possible to avoid drafting effects right? Well done!
The Pro is undoubtedly the best bang for a buck of any vehicle sold in the USA.
Got mine for 35k!
What I like about this is that the driving conditions were more realistic. Especially with that heat and having to run the air at 2 fans.
Tom, just started watching your channel and subscribed a few weeks ago. Your non-biased opinion of the truck is what drove me to ultimately be comfortable with my purchase. You live in an area with similar weather conditions to me (I'm in Ohio and my parents are from PA so we all have about the same weather/seasons) so it's been good to see what you can get out of a Lightning with similar conditions to what I will experience. Too many reviews/videos I saw were from sunny California or mountainous PNW or Colorado. They all have their use cases but I felt comfortable that given my driving situation (mostly around town/for my 10 miles work commute and then one or two 500 mile trips back to PA/NJ a year) I would be happy in one of these. The Pro definitely seems to be the best bang for the buck. I got a leftover 2023 Fleet Order Pro ER and absolutely love it (wish I could have your Lariat ER but it was a little outside my price range, hah!). Thanks for not sugar coating the downsides to them but instead helping people stay informed on the those possible downsides and helping them integrate that information into their decision making. Too many people want to just say that EVs are for everyone or that they just suck and noone should buy them and there's not enough out there about the specific use-case of the individual. We are all entitled to enjoy our car of choice (I also have a 2014 Mustang lol) without feeling the need to shove it down everyone's throat. It's clear you love EVs but also recognize they aren't for everyone.
That pro model really is a great value. The Mrs.wants an electric Bronco. Hopefully we see one in the next couple years. Thanks for another great video Tom.
An electric Bronco would do really well for Ford, especially considering the engine problems the ICE Bronco is having with the 2.7
Still think that after a 7500 price increase lol
1:16 - Vanilla Fudge!! I was a fan WAY back when. Loved their first album.
Thanks! We’re still rockin’ 55 years later.
for a daily work truck, this is a fantastic option, even after they raised the price. if you were able to get one at the original price they offered at... what a deal man!
Heck of a review. Honestly, best auto review I've had in forever. I'm a car dude with a truck, amg, and 2 bikes. Thanks to you I'm ready to pull the trigger & trade my 13 ecoboost fx4 for a lightning. (got her new, soup'd it up & have been hesitant to sell until now because she's my baby). I work with contractors/and field personnel so ima convince the ceo to grab some if mine ain't a lemon!!😉 Cheers friend, you got another subscriber!
Thanks again TOM, as my PRO will arrive next week and testing for my own benefit in a similar 'loop' will include some hills and valleys, although not strenuous, but part of the overall 100 mile run - then comes the test on the same loop with my 3,000lb camper to see how that degrades the overall miles - I suspect that I drive slower than your test, and will get 220 miles with the base truck test, and I am hoping for 100 or better with the camper.... we shall see.
Yes, the PRO is THE DEAL for a battery-electric TRUCK, which is really also a fantastic SUV 5-seater, a tremendous UTILITY vehicle, and an EV with all the practical TOWING POWER.
William, 57, Insurance agent/agency owner, married 35 YEARS!, father of 4 grown boys, and now two beautiful Daughter-in-laws : )
I sold my other two cars, a '14 Ford Focus with excellent mpg of 40+, and our '15 Nissan LEAF, back in MAY since I originally had a build-week of 5/30 - well, that got pushed back no less than 6 times for over 8 additional weeks - I've been without my own RIDE since then!
Another great video Tom, the Pro model with the standard battery did pretty well. This model would fit my usage perfectly.
Wow, thanks so much! What an incredible result! Compliments to Pete, it’s evident that he really REALLY understands the methodology and worked hard to replicate your drive exactly! He was even using different lanes to avoid drafting when possible!
Would love this same test during the winter
With a family and gear as well.
Great test, amazing vehicle. I have to think that the price of the Pro model will be increasing next year.
It now starts at 46k
Awesome video, I'm waiting on my xlt with the standard battery ordered in January. Wanted the pro but was sold out within a day of my order bank opening up. Put my deposit within hours of release in May 2021.
@Elvin I had a build date of 7-25 but it disappeared off the website so don't get your hopes up
Maybe Tom can look into my order since he has connections.....please?
Order #10842601
FWIW, Tom kept being sent erroneous info about his delivery date... Roman at TFL ended up getting their one soonest, by switching to a dealer, near to where it was produced...
Thank you for the very informative and real world highway test!! Nice to know the Pro delivers in real driving. Now I’m SAD about the price increase for 2023 models. Thanks again!
Love the test.
Regarding air conditioning: For real world purposes I would like to see the AC switched to some kind of Auto or Eco mode at a set temperature. That's what I do when I drive and I think it most fairly reflects the typical consumption of a vehicle. "fan speed 2" is probably different in every vehicle, but what really is important is a pleasant temp regardless of how the car achieves that.
Exactly this. I've NEVER done "fan on lowest setting" the typical driver sets the thermostat to whatever temp they like, and leave it on auto.
Thanks for this video! I'm next in line at my dealer and could have taken one of their dealership Lariat allocations, but decided to wait on a 2023 Pro. (Unless I can find a dealer selling a 2022 Pro at list.)
Excellent episode! Thanks to Pete and Tom!
Amazing info as usual. Your sidekick seems like a great guy!!
Great video! I am picking up my xlt lighting today! (Standard range battery)
Just stumbled across this very interesting test , one of the issues for a lot of people , is cars are a fairly large purchase , some of us keep cars for 15 or 20 or even 30 years or even longer , and if you have an ICE vehicle it has a couple of big advantages.
For a start , the range of ICE vehicles , and the fact ICE vehicles generally keep their range pretty close to what it was when they left the showroom floor for decades as long as basic maintenance is kept up.
But on electric vehicles , we know batteries degrade , and with that the range too .
And batteries are very very expensive.
And the other point you already mentioned is that electric vehicles do due to their very construction being a battery powered vehicle burn through energy or fuel at a significantly faster rate than ice vehicles when under load or in adverse conditions .
And this has been proven time and time again.
As you said , Electric vehicles are not for everyone .
In saying that , it would be interesting to see this identical test done on these very same two vehicles in 5 years time and maybe even 10 ten years time to see how the range has held up and the vehicles in general.
Cheers.
You should do a video where you tow a pro with a pro and then take the towed vehicle off and drive it the rest of the way. It would be interesting if two pros together have the same or more range than one extended battery!
I like the comparison, very useful information
Can't wait for Ford to get Blue Cruise more standardized. A 45k base Pro with Blue Cruise would be an absolute steal.
Thanks, Tom! This comparison is very helpful.
This was the best video so far! Amazing. I would buy the vehicle in a heartbeat.
Thanks for this review Tom! as usual good yeoman's job, I'm 2 weeks from my pro landing at my dealer!! and getting amped up, also appreciate the honesty on the pro. for my use this is perfect 95% of the time. My plan is to get a local fitter to add cooled/heated seats with leather, lower it couple inches, some kind of step and I'm golden. Will be first on line for the remodeled '25 that will have bigger/ better battery system and whatever else ford does to keep up with the competition, meantime I have an amazing truck for 37,500 that will no doubt be worth all of that if I want to sell it at that point. By the way I do have a cybertruck reserved that will prolly be here about the time the next gen lightning lands. btw, around here ele is 8.9 - 9.1 c/ kilo. Thanks again Tom ~ Roger
Great info. I'll prob end up with a XLT (I can't justify a 20k premium for my needs) but the Pro is a monster value.
The Pro is cheaper vs a "comparably equipped" ICE XLT... there are Ford dealers that have done the comparisons and posted them online... But ofc buy what fits your needs....
Great Range test, Uncle Tom
My xlt standard range battery $57,000, 2023 model brand new 0% interest for 60 months plus $7500 tax credit to me that is a really great deal!
Good stuff Tom, and thanks to Pete for joining you. What people really need to hear is what did the 200 or so miles cost, if you charged at home? At 16 mpg, and $5/gallon, that trip would have cost you about $63 in an ICE F150. For the electric - $15-20?
I'm making a video on that now
How about mountain driving? I do 120 miles a day for work commute, don't see an ev being a reliable source of transport. Also nasty winters here.
@@harringtonchampion - Chris, EVs are torque monsters, so climbing mountains is no problem. What goes up must come down, so one way will require way less energy than the other.
@@harringtonchampion Unlike an ICE truck, an EV *recovers* a good percentage of energy spent climbing the hill on the way back down. So while your MPG in mountainous driving is greatly reduced, it doesn't have nearly the effect on an EV because of regeneration.
Great price...good luck ever finding one to purchase
Yeah, you won't unless you ordered it last year. But eventually, you will be able to get one, probably in 2024
I would like to see a towing comparison between the standard and extended range models… nothing too big , maybe 2500 lbs… Just to see how well the standard battery does
I raced a young kid in an Audi s6 or a8 s5 or something, it was really loud, we were neck in neck because his reaction time was better. But he sure was surprised. Mine is the 2022 standard range lariat.
Awesome video! I’d love to trade my tundra in for this pro model. But I do pull a 3500 lb box of a camper. Typically no more than 100 miles one way. Think this would be pretty hard in western pa at this time
If I remember correctly the range is half of typical range with towing so it should be able to do that, regen. would kick in if it's stop and go.
@@hotelvictortango it’s def possible you’re right. Aerodynamic seem to make alot bigger difference than the weight. My camper is a big box. I go back and forth on whether it’ll work for my use case
ToM thanks for digging in on the standard range for us poor plebes eagerly awaiting ours! Can’t wait to see results of fast charge test. And maybe range test with roll up tonneau cover?
Will you be doing tow range tests? I am very curious how far a 3000 - 4000 pound boat could be towed on the standard range.
214 if you want to push it , the Pro is still pretty decent. Most guys won’t drive that in a day. If you do need more,you always have the bigger battery pack for more $$$. Towing? You’re gonna need a bigger battery like some needed a bigger boat.
Crazy considering this is a full size crew cab awd truck with 460hp and at hwy speeds it went over 200miles on less than 3 gallons worth of gas in total energy used. As gas is listed at 33.7kwhs of total useable energy per gallon and road diesel is 37.9kwhs per gallon in total energy. 👍🏻😎
Crazy, how heavy a battery pack has to be, to just carry only 3 gallons worth of petrol power....
And how UA-cam experts, love to nonsensically, compare apples to oranges.... lmao ;)
If you want the pro can’t get the bigger battery without a bulk buy.
@@nc3826 yet this truck weighs hundreds of pounds less than a loaded raptor full of fuel with 35s does or a ram trx with fuel. And it can beat both of those trucks 0-60mph and in the 1/4mile bone stock without burning anything. But hey that's probably also apples to oranges right bucko? 😂
nice one sided pointless rant... that only proves my point... buckaroo ;0
What a huge price difference.
I would take 2 instead, too! His and hers 😂
Seriously. That std will cover 90% of the same needs. Don't think the capacity difference really effects daily use.
I wish they did the pro with the extended range battery
Thanks Tom! Given today's news, i'm sure this test is going to be crucial for folks. Guessing we'll see many people decide to order Standard range now given the pricing.
Great vlog Tom. Do you recommend individuals that tow should buy an extension cable? This would make it easier to charge when traveling, since many charging stations do not have a pull through. Also when charging at camping sites. Thanks.
Really enjoy your videos. Those is just a suggestion. Here in Australia, most highways are 60 miles (100km) an hour. On your range tests how about doing it at the 70 miles and the return trip at 60 miles. Then you can compare how much extra range you get by going 10 miles slower. Also, it would be more applicable to international audiences that have the same speeds as us 👍👍👍🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
It's VERY difficult to maintain only 60 mph on the highways here. Even in the slow lane, I am sometimes holding up traffic driving at 70 mph.
That's a shame but it makes sense 👍
Tommy Molo's getting the band back together...!!! 🤙(need to get me one of those official SOC shirts so I fit in at the next "jam session")
The best thing for to do is make the lightning drive itself back to the dealership for its multiple recalls and issues
Sorry Tom, looks like Pete got a free upgrade. Remember possession is 9/10 of law! Great vid
Tom , Excellent Review!
Great comparison‼️ Sounds like you have someone willing to trade. 😉
Wow times have changed, I like it!
Very interesting. Can’t wait for the full charging. Make it a live?
Fords are designed at a cost point that reflects base models. I have had 3 Gen6 Mustangs; EB PP, GT PP and GT350. The one we still have is the EB PP, a brilliant car for the sub $30k we paid. The GT350 was fantastic, but for less than half the money the EB PP is every bit as fun, very economical and frankly handles better with the lighter engine. Sublime Magnetic shocks, huge brakes and supportive Recaro equipped GT350 aside…
We drove to Florida this past thanksgiving from Hamilton NJ, I’m trying to do the math if we take my lariat SR, I think I would have to stop every 200 miles. I did the trip on fords trip planner & it estimated it at only 3.5 hrs longer than it took us to drive in our Jeep renegade.
My xlt has 20inch wheels.
And we don't get the nema1450 adapter in canada:(
Thanks for video. I’m looking forward to see real world 70 mph range test on Hyundai Ioniq 6. When will you be making this video? Thanks
As soon as Hyundai makes one available for media loans.
At 10:35 Pete talks about BluesCruise and Autopilot, and mentions that BluesCruise you disengage and change lanes manually and it re-engages on its own in the new lane, while Autopilot on Tesla you have to disengage and re-engage. That's true for the free included Autopilot, but BluesCruise is a $1600 + $600 for 3 years upgrade. If you're going to compare, also mention enhanced autopilot ($6000) or FSD. If you have either of those, you don't even have to disengage at all because you tap the stalk and it automatically changes lanes on its own, very smoothly.
Having to re-engage is nit picking, I admit, but the lagging can almost be dangerous at times moving to a faster lane.
Thanks for the post.
BTW, Would love to see a DCFCing session of the GMC HUMMER EV and its charging curve. When you can get access to one.
TFL-EV's brief DCFCing session with it, a few months ago maxxed out at a painfully slow rate. But I still keep hearing GM's claims for it, repeated. So it would be nice to know, if the GM's claimed 350 kW rate, is real or not?
I have asked GM on multiple occasions for a loan for charging and haven't been awarded one yet.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney i guessed that... But the geek in me is dying to know the real facts, since you're the gold standard for DCFC testing...
So good luck finding a loaner from someone.... Like from your buddy Roman and his gang ;)
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney you are so anti GM I would not loan you one either! Your comments on the new Blazer ev turned me off on your channel! I was a loyal follower but now I realize you do not support all EVs since you bought the Lightning. Under 300 miles for the price you paid for the Lightning is pathetic!
@@gmv0553 Tom M is very neutral and calls them as he sees them. When GM makes a better product Tom will give them a better review
Should I keep waiting for a Cypertruck?
YEAH LOL
21:50 That's not how percentages work. If he has 33% larger battery, then you have 25% smaller battery and should have 25% shorter range (not 33%) and he should be left with 25% state of charge if you are at 0%. So if anything, extended range battery overperformed or standard range underperformed.
Edit: Sorry, I may have come across as pedantic. My point wasn't "you made a mistake", my point was in the last sentence - SR underperformed/ER overperformed.
absolute figures, should be used for comparisons....
Thnx for bringing this up. Tom needs a refresher😜
This is how I see it - maybe I've been out of school too long!
If I use the extended range battery range test as the benchmark (we finished up with 270 miles) then the standard range should have finished up with 202.5 miles (75% of 270).
If we use the standard range battery range test as the benchmark, we would expect 286 miles from the ER battery (1.336% of 214). No?
Bottom line is, that a STD pack rate at 2.2mi/kWh, is more efficient than an ER pack/kWh,, period....
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Sure, but you were not referring to the original test at 21:50. You were comparing it to this test and the second vehicle which had 30% left. The second vehicle would've finished with 306 miles (214*(100/70)) on the same day with same conditions.
Those wheels on the pro look the best of all the rims available for the F-150 lightning IMHO
I feel the same way. My wife said the other ones, look like ceiling fan blades.
The vinyl seats in this base model are more practical than the cloth seats in the XLT. Do you know if you can order vinyl seats in an XLT?
@Elvin I owned a used XLT, and when I cleaned the cloth seats the amount of dirt I got out of them was disgusting.
9:15: But he's drafting you.
Very useful knowledge. Thank you. Ideally, it would be great to test a standard range battery on a Pro with all options, XLT SR loaded, and a Lariat SR loaded. It would also be ideal to test them over a mixed highway and city course similar to the EPA dynamometer simulation testing. One question I would like to know is what model did EPA test to determine the range (230 miles for 2022 models, 240 miles for 2023 models) posted on the Pro, XLT, Lariat SR window stickers?
Did you get the miles per kw from the Lariat’s drive? In theory with the larger tires and weight of the battery I’d think it would he 2.0 maybe? That would be a good think to know to compare those on literally the exact same drove and conditions.
It was switching from 2.1 to 2.2 mi/kWh for the entire drive
Come on guys let's do a real world test like a 270 mile back to back trip with the complete time to recharge between trips
Thanks for all the great content! So, in these conditions, at 70 mph you averaged 2.2 mi/kWh. Do you know or can you estimate what the efficiency would be at 65 and 60 mph?
Who drives that slow?
It would be interesting to do the freeway speed test at 40mph, which is slow enough that aerodynamic drag is minimal versus still a reasonable speed...
You could do just a quarter SoC worth, since you can compare it to a quarter of capacity from this test...
Pretty please?
Finally the poor mans version is tested. Thanks Tom as 40k is much more my price range than 80k and above.
This would suffice for most people's day-to-day work vehicle.
Imagine the fuel savings in a year. Get rid of the mirrors and you got 10 more miles added to the range. 😉
Tom you've got your sums crossed up there. The large battery is 33% bigger than the small battery but that's 33% of the small battery. 33% of the small battery is 25% of the larger battery and that is what you should have been reading at the end of the test, 25%. So to end up with 30% is actually slightly surprising and quite impressive.
Yes, I realized that later. I was doing this in real-time and just didn't think it through properly. I was thinking about the fact that the ext range has 33 kWh so when the test was done the ext range should have about 8.25 kWh still available (8.25 kWh per 1/4). My bad
Forgive me if I’m wrong but isn’t the lariat drafting you? Doesn’t that help with range?
by the way, TOM, I'm assuming those PRO tires are the Michelin PRIMACY XC All-Terrains, as what shows as the only option for the PRO Lightning. I'm wondering if switching those out for some all-season/touring tires would give us much greater range, or at least enough difference to warrant the change. I don't see myself ever needing all-terrains, but I also don't see the need to spend $1,000 to change them if the range difference is not big enough.
That's about 342km for the metric minded. Honestly for many who just use the truck for commuting with the occasional trip to the hardware store or lugging a boat to the cottage, this is plenty.
The electric Maverick will be very popular with the commuting crowd.
It has 100kwh more than the mini. Haha how far electric cars have come. Can’t wait for the next five years to see the advancements.
This truck would have been such a deal if they coulda kept it at 40k. They get significantly more
Range then my sr+ does at 70 mph and they where the same price. Plus the added space and ride quality.
Can you run this test again in the winter?
At that price, even Europe would be full of F-150s.
It really is incredible value, and I’ve heard that companies can even get the Pro with the bigger battery.
But this is what happens when you take a car that you’re selling a million times every year and put a decent electric power train beneath, the costs stay low.
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Yes, fleet customers can get the extended range battery. I would imagine at some point down the road (way down the road) retail customers will be able to also.
I wanna see a range test with one of these at around 80 mph. 2 kwh seems to be the average in every video Ive seen at 70 mph, but I'm curious how much range you'd lose at 80.
Great review. Why did you fake the phone calls? That was 🧀
It would help a lot if just reaching the charging bay from the road was not a trip in itself.
Anyone know why the Lightning Pro isn't more popular? I"m considering buying one can get it out the door with taxes and fees for 46k$. Will I miss the tech of the Rivian or Tesla?
Try to buy one at MSRP, add 20K. Now 2023 price increases are between 7000 to 8500 dollars, with more to come.
Why wouldn't Ford use the same 18" wheels on all the Lightning models for even better range? But that 214 miles of range on the Pro just isn't enough for me, no matter how much less it costs compared to the others.
We all have different driving cycles and needs. 200 highway miles would work fine for me.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney But if you are going to use it as a work truck, between plugging in tools and maybe towing very light loads or fill the bed, that 200 miles can be reduced to half that in no time.
@@Resist4 Towing yes, heavy loads no. Heavy loads don’t affect range as much as the aerodynamic drag of a trailer.
After owned a Nissan leaf first gen and a Chevy Spark EV. I could squeeze another 10 miles. Obviously not the point of the test lol.
for some reason the extended range batter is EPA rated more efficient then the standard range battery. Do you know why this is?
Best range in the first indicated 1/4 “tank”, a lot of liquid fuel gauges do that as well. What counts are the units of energy that have to be replaced after a given distance, or miles per kWh. 7 1/2 minutes in, it seems y’all are in the neighborhood of 2 miles per.
Ouch
Enjoyed your video but don't PROMOTE higher sale prices, you seem to be a good guy and I subscribed but damn. They already raised the price due to so called battery prices. I too am torn between basic, just get the job done and Lariat. But I am 57 and want comfort and nice, the only thing with me is I want leather, moonroof and everything except the fancy blue cruise and driving warning software. But it's a package I guess. Nice video comparison. Is the price difference worth 90 miles.
Why are the 24 Lightnings cheaper than the 23 Lightnings?
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I'll be interested in what the Pro does in the winter. No heat pump, no heated seats or wheel and a large cabin. That thing is going to get 80 miles on a full charge in the winter
it's true that this is untested until 6 months from now when we start to see those in the northern state, Canada, and Alaska start to report what they are seeing... though I also assume that many don't drive as much in very harsh climates during the winter, either.
@@turnersinsurance8656 I have a standard range mustang Mach-E awd. Much smaller cabin with heated seats and wheel. I get almost a 100 less miles on my guess-o-meter in the winter than I do in the winter
@@EVandMe good to know, and I'm sure it will vary depending on the region and temps... I see that many northern states, Alaska, and Canadian provinces have many parking lots with 120v outlets, I suppose for engine block heating, but it would certainly be an option for EVs, too.
do the test with max payload.
I will.
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Good vid, but I hope you didn't damage your pack.
Nah, I've been doing this for 13 years with my EVs, no problem.
Was this taken before the tax credit change?? Do you still qualify??
He probably only had 30% because you had been at 0 for a while. I think it's something ford does to give a little extra juice to find a charger so they say you have an empty battery when you don't.
If anyone is watching this a year later, Ford doesn't provide a charger with a lightning anymore. 😭
No mobile charger. But on 2023s you can get a free Ford Charge Station Pro for home which is a $1300 item
I see what you say about the price, but can you even get the PRO?
Also, if your going the same speed, how are you passing each other? Or is it different footage/editing?
You can only get the Pro - or ANY Lightning if you reserved on last year. They stopped taking reservations after they took 220,000 of them in a couple months. As for passing, we did a couple passes (3 or 4) for video during the range test. That wouldn't have any recordable effect on the result.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney ok, cool. Thanks
Blue Cruise is better than AP
If only they did an extended range pro that a consumer could buy
They will, eventually
Big 2023 MSRP bump as Ford tries to take those dealer mark-ups for themselves.
Tom you went on again about how good a value the Pro model is but never mention that it wasn't really possible to buy as a retail consumer. Ford 'sold out" of the Pro in wave #1 of 7 waves.... Only allocated about 3% of total volume for MY22 for retail pro orders. Ford keeps getting credit for offering it, but you needed to win the lottery to get it.
You're right, I should have mentioned that you simply can't get one now if you didn't reserve it last year. But they will eventually ramp up production and these will be available for anyone to purchase. It's probably going to take 1.5 years, unfortunately.
A pick up is for work, carry heavy loads. hard days Not for tourism
I am curious about the circumference difference between the 18” ,20” and 21” wheel and tire 🛞 package and why range is affected so much.
unsprung rotational mass. heavier wheels and tires less range harder to get going, keep going, and less stopping power and turning ability. Its that simple. Same reason lightweight wheels, especially carbon fiber get so much better performance