I Drive The Base $40k F-150 Lightning Pro Standard Range Battery For The First Time!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Kyle and Ryan (@KLWTTS) head out for a quick drive in the cheapest electric Ford F-150 Lightning they could find! They talk value, acceleration, usability, and more. Tune in to see if this is the one you should buy!
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I spoke with a Ford employee after this video and they said that the standard pack should hit 150kW on a DCFC. The extended pack hit 173kW delivered. Also, the largest problem with the Pro trim for a normal consumer is that they aren’t making enough of them for personal use! Most are being built for fleets.
Thanks for the update! Good to know about charging. Only complaint was it felt like half the video was talking about how great a deal it was and that you should buy it ... but you really can't :( Tried to buy a Pro, sold out in Wave #1 which had ~1500 invites. Settled for standard XLT. Still a good deal and cheaper than comparable ICE XLT (~10K cheaper when including Fed Tax Credit).
I don't believe they'll continue selling this truck for $40k, if they continue selling to retail customers at all. It's an absurd value compared to any other truck on the market, let alone EV (and they still have the fed credit!). I think they are making less than 1,000 for retail customers in 2022. I could see it at $48k, but $40k is just insane in the context of the EV market. I wanted to get a Pro but ended up with a Lariat because the Pros sold out in ordering wave one (of six).
Ford sold an Electric ranger around 1998 to Fleets. There is a whole story behind it. Hope they don't make them destroy them afterwards :lol:
Something about needing to buy 5? Wanna do a group buy for "fleet use" ?
I’ve got one being built at the end of the month and this video confirmed I made the right choice on trim. Thanks again for another great in depth review!
This sounds like a great buy if you can get your hands on one for that price, but since it’s such a good value, there’s no way you’ll be able to easily get one. The Pro is probably just to lure people in so Ford can upsell you with a model you can actually buy. This is a classic business move to make it look like there’s no competition.
like the $30k model 3 that never really was.
@@Cornelius87 37 was easier to get than the 40k f-150 rn
@@Cornelius87 got one for 35k
Maybe, GM is quoting $40k for the Electric Silverado W/T model. So might not move much if there is another player in the space.
already sold out..
About the non-dampened tailgate opener, if it's like the gas ones, it's only about $35 to buy it yourself and install it in about 10 minutes. I added one to my gas XLT.
That's my plan, the price difference between Lightning Pro and XLT gives you a lot of room for accessory buying...
Where do you get those I was wondering if I can put that in my 06 XLT
@@mrslickdetailer9652 I don't think they had a factory damper that year, but search DZ43200 for an aftermarket option
Thanks, I was wondering about the feasibility of that option.
Excellent buy at MSRP!
Thanks for showing the base model. I went to Ford's website and with the destination charge, the spray in bedliner and tow package, the estimate was just under $45k before tax credits. Very appealing if you can actually get one at that price...
yeah you'll probably have to build it on the site and wait for it. I doubt any lot is gonna have 40 base models ready to go at any point in the next 3 years
@@cameronschmit6472 My understanding is that Ford has mentioned that they are building about 15-20% at the Pro Trim level. I am waiting on a Pro and am not in the first batch of orders though.
@@SmashTheNumbers Samesies
You won't. They will jack you for 7-20k more, unlike Tesla who has no dealerships to feed.
@@babyUFO. love Tesla. But this is pretty cynical
A 15$ heating pad purchased at Walgreens and plugged into a 110 outlet in the truck. Hid it under a thin slip cover. No no fire danger possible especially on low heat. Save yourself 20 grand$
I mean, you know where the dollar sign goes, right?
So, I’ve lived long enough where $40,000 is considered cheap. Thank you God.
It IS cheap for what's being offered. I believe it's the cheapest EV truck on the market. EVs may seem expensive, but many forget that quality EV components and integration is not cheap.
I mean no disrespect to all the reviews and showcases released this week, however I cringe at all of these white collar journalists reviewing trucks. I want to wait and see real reviews from blue collar americans
If I buy the standard range pack, I can do all of my driving except 3 trips a year with it. Those three trips I can make with 45 min charging stops. I think that is acceptable!
It’s truly unfortunate that they’re not making more of these.
I've got a 2004 F-150 with 290,000 miles. Best vehicle I've ever owned. My only complaint about the Lightning is that it doesn't have a 3-seat front bench. The shifter is pure cosmetics, it doesn't even need to exist in that form. Should be a column shifter or dash mount. It's not like there's any real physical linkage to the transmission, it's a such a waste of space.
Wow that’s a great point! Hopefully ford makes that an option in the next model.
I agree with the shifter. Overly complex for zero upside, other than making the old foggies (which I am rapidly becoming) feel like they are in a Fast and Furious movie grabbing that 17th gear…. Lose it for another cup holder already!
Wow.. this is actually a formidable case for a 3 seat front bench! The center shifter has no linkage, therefore can be a button on the dash
Ive got a 2006 F150 4x4 w/ HD pkg. Except for the rusted through frame its been a good truck. I just found another one just like it with a good frame but bad cam with high miles so im gonna swap my 120k mile drivetrain into it and keep it till I get a cybertruck.
Problem is this truck won’t do what your 2004 did - last 18 years. These battery packs are going to the trash after 10 years. Fords battery warranty allows for 30% battery degradation over 8 years. 150kwh battery will be a 105kwh battery and that’s the best case scenario. This wouldn’t bother me if a new battery was 5 grand or so but they are so expensive these trucks are all going to be scrapped once the battery craps out.
I've never wanted a pick up truck so much! Ford have nailed it with this truck!
Too bad they’ll make less than 1000 of these affordable ones (according to their own graphs and % breakdown of the models) just to say they did. There is no way they aren’t losing money on them.
Damn! Are the #'s really that low? I've had a reservation since they started taking them like a year ago. I'm ok waiting but I don't see how I will be able to order one with those production #'s!
Perfect truck for local survey field work. Can even charge drone / survey equipment batteries with it.
Only liberals drive evs
I think Ford has a winner on their hands. I really hope they can make and deliver enough of these trucks.
it's a loss leader. the make just enough of these to make these great reviews happen but you'll never see large swaths of customers get them for $40k
@@tejash21 refering to the truck overall and not just the 40k version. But you are right, most of those trucks will be pretty limited and most going to fleet purchases.
youll never see any volumes of these trucks.
@@tabbott429 You'll never see volume even for fleets. It's just an excuse to justify why consumers will never get these
This is the trim I truly want... Within 5k of a Tacoma V6, for goodness sakes, if MSRP was respected!!
Is that counting the federal tx credit to? Or any possible state/local incentives for evs?
You won't be able to get one they can't even deliver the gas trucks good luck everyone 👍
2wd SR5 is going for 36k here in Central FL. No tax benefits included in msrp comparison. Heck, I would get this over a minivan too.
The Tacoma will last longer
The dealerships will upcharge you 10k
So happy I ordered an SR Pro as a consumer. Counting down the days until delivery!
Magna, wants automotive engineers; I was a U.S. Army Combat Engineer.
What they are driving is about 47k, but I think its still a good deal. 50k is the sweet spot for this size vehicle for me.
as much as i spend on gas, i fill up once a week at 80$ on my chevy colorado, ill get my money back in two years
Wow, times are changing, "base" truck $40K :) BTW great colab you 2!
not bad for an EV with that capability though
@@BikerJim74 it also is 4WD with over 400 HP and has 4 doors. The base model ICE F150 has 2 doors 2wd and 290 HP for $30k.
@@htimsrecneps Correct. Especially these days I doubt you could get even a true base F150 for much cheaper
@@htimsrecneps I specced an ice xl 4wd with the hybrid powerboost to make it at least somewhat similar in trim to the lightning pro.
It was 49k and still didn't have the same equipment. So you could load a pro with the tow, trailer, and pro power pack's. Ad in the tax credit and still have a nice truck for around 40k or less assuming no dealer markup. 🤔
I remember when I was a kid I saw a brand new F150 specced out with all the options for around $25k and thought to myself "when I grow up I'll work super hard to afford one of those". Reality was I've had to work harder than I thought and still can't afford such a vehicle.
I absolutely agree on the cliff, it feels lazy like you say. Either you're stressing it too much at 79, or not enough at 81.
Why can't you do boats on "out of spec motoring?" It's got a motor.
Maybe branding? Either way would subscribe to either Boatering channel haha.
Considering a ICE base is truck is 30 something pretty amazing price
With 4 wheel drive?
@@heathwirt8919
I checked and a base per type 4WD Crew Cab is also about 40K so definitely not a money maker more of a future builder
What's the best review of these done by people that actually use it for work purposes? I'm a little worried when towing big heavy loads my range being cut in half and being stuck at a job site because I don't have enough range to get back home. The hybrid seems like a much better option if I want a truck that can perform while still getting great gas mileage.
Yea they need the pro with the extended range option on it for the public
Dunno man
The base rims are look better than the aero wheel on lariat imo
Thanks for confirming my observation of the value of this truck after your Lariat review yesterday. Adding the step, spray in liner, cameras, upgraded power and you have the truck I spec’d for $46,639. All I would need. Would like the moon roof, but not $80K worth.
A moon roof is really a terrible long term investment, because it can leak water, the seal can get damaged, UV light is really, really bad for Human skin, and there is no benefit to a moon roof, other than the manufacturer gets to make more money off of it. For long term ownership, the less unnecessary frills you have, the better the truck will last 30 years from now. Batteries can be upgraded in the future, and the truck will never be obsolete. It's important that the truck doesn't have any gimmicks that will break or fail over time.
5 piece Durliners are the best
Pro Model in Antimatter Blue with the Trailer Tow package, Tow Technology Package, 9600 Pro Power onboard, Floor mats, and a spray in bed liner comes in at $46,000 and change, absolutely the best BEV value on the planet, if you can get one
When trying to order from Ford: "Due to high demand, the current model year is no longer available for retail order. Contact your dealer for more information." The prices will no doubt go way up once they start accepting orders again.
The government wants everyone to go out and buy an electric vehicle as if they're readily available and affordable. I'm interested in this no option pro model but it seems like they're not going to make a lot of these. I'll just stick to my gas truck until a reasonable, readily available EV truck is available..... Just hope the gas vehicles don't get outlawed beforehand.
@@gwf82
The only companies that can produce cheap Evs for a profit are chinese companies or Tesla. Nobody will be selling cars for less than 40k in large quantities anytime soon. All of these OEMs are in huge debt so this strategy of losing money to catch up to these other companies is risky to say the least.
great value if you get it for 40k, no way in these market, its gonna cost 60+ , that's the avg price of a regular ev car now
Great review.
I love the Rivian... but will probably go with the reliabilty of the FORD history and size.
Every Platinum and Lariat they sell must subsidize these “Pro” trucks.
I don't think Ford can be making a profit on any of their EVs. It's all subsidised by their ICE output. Which is a problem.
This is the one I really want. Only things I care about that are missing is extended battery and heated seat and steering wheel. Pls ford give us those options on the base.
I'm gonna be super curious on how effecient people can drive these f-150 lightening. And the mi/kwh.
How is that truck $40k? They are going to sell every single one they can make.
I'm curious what kind of markup these will see at the dealerships
And lose their shirts on every single one they sell. It's a loss leader.
if i could buy this truck today i would... the problem is i was too dumb and focused on the cybertruck to get in line for this..
You may yet be glad you did that.
@@MarkXHolland if it comes out at 50k... maybe... i am having my doubts about that though. For 100 i aint cancelling but i do doubt tesla delivering affordable in the foreseeable future... bit here's to hope
I hesitated to order one the first day, now I'm sorry.
I think you will be happier with the cyber truck
Thank you so much for this review of the pro. I was lucky enough to be a wave 1 order for the pro and it looks like I won’t be disappointed!
Yep, me too. When is your Pro scheduled to be assembled?
I too prefer the small screen. Having used it in Mach-e that big screen is simply too much and the heating controls are annoying to use. this is a winner. EV Dog vehicle of the year!
Similar things like this Ford Pro pickup with honest approach and with affordable prices need to happen for even more brands,
then people will realize that it is time to switch from ice to such useful & practical full ev's..
you won't be able to get tehse for 40k.. trucks gonna be sold out for 2+ years.. dealer markups etc.. why would ford make these when they can sell out of 80k versions.
Most people in my area don’t tow. Trucks are the culture because of their usability! The front trunk is a game changer!
The truck culture is often about masculine insecurity, that's why people lift them
@@catinthehat5140 :)
Owned three pickup trucks over the years and only towed once for a friend that blew his car transmission in the hills of PA towing a load of wood for his fireplace.
This is the review I was waiting for. If I was a fleet manager again I'd get the Pro but I'd want the ability to detune that truck with the standard pack.
Yep, my Yamaha Wave Runner has this feature built in. It can do 65 to 70mph, but what parent in his or her right mind is going to let their underage teen drive a ski like that? Solution: Enter in a 4-digit code and the ski will not go above 45 mph.
I believe Ford offers the My Key feature which allows an owner to set parameters that limit top speed and other features.
@@dmandman9 Excellent. It cannot limit the number of 'Launches' but this is a great feature that I did not know about. Thanks for pointing it out.
@@KLFaber At our dealership, we regularly get owners who lost their main key or bought the vehicle used and only have the Programmed "MyKey" . They wonder why their vehicle won't go over a certain speed. Sometimes they do it by mistake. I remember one truck wouldn't go over 60! When the primary key is lost, the only solution is to erase the keys and reprogram it and add at least one additional key.
I have it in my B250e it's pretty neat and you can even set your zone too as well. All built into the app so this should definitely be a feature
I would get the Max tow pack ,the Tow Technology pack and the Step Tailgate in Agate Black.......$46,044.....delivered. Having the 9.6 Kilowatt Pro Power on board would be pretty important to me.
I'll take the $35,000 version with 3-seat bench, and a FULL SIZE BED.
That model does not currently exist.
@@SweetBearCub That blows! Why is Ford being so cheap with high-demand products? Where are the options for those who want a work truck but able to fit into city driveways ? Can't even lay down in that mini-bed, the size of a Maverick!
Now let's see what Chevy brings with their Silverado. Nice review Kyle 👍.
Wow first time in months I see so many trucks lined up for sale, here in New Jersey you can’t get a ford truck, my brother-in-law ordered a F350 diesel last summer and still waiting. I would love to buy an electric F150 but I’m the only one in the family who likes them, my wife told me a big NO and my son drives a F350 diesel 😳 so he looks at me like I’m crazy.
The $40k base model seems incredibly good. Can’t see how Ford will make money on it but everyone who can should snap one up. Btw, impressed by how good the mic sound considering the wind is blowing like a storm there! What mic is this?
Looks like RODE wireless
This just shows that Ford is dedicated to give people electric trucks for value. It’s definitely a risk but could be a very good thing especially with other competition that are offering base prices way over 60k
@@AudioVisionary000 this does not show Ford's dedication to customers at all. If you have seen comments or read reports, consumers will not be ableto obtain them. Good luck dreaming of it.
It’s the Rode go with the dead cat windscreen attached
That's crazy I just went to both websites Ford and Volkswagen and built a EV Ford truck ($42,644) and VW ID.4 ($46,105) both base models and 4x4's which I added an option on the Ford.
Pro trim was "sold out" even in 2rd order wave. Not available for most of those people with reservations, which makes sense.
Well in Canada this trim is 70,000 dollars, the Lariat is 109,000 and that is the sticker price the dealer tax will be added. So this will be a hard pass on this and any other Lightning truck. Even at a 30% exchange this truck should be well under 60 grand. Our tax credit is only 5 grand
"What did Ford leave out of the Lightning Pro to get it down to $40k?" Answer: The profit. There's no way they're making any money on that 100kWh battery, with two tons of truck attached to it.
My estimate is that they are losing 5-10k at $40k.
@Jon VB if they only sell a thousand lightning pros, that is only a loss of 10 million, reasonable for a marketing budget...
@@kschleic9053 they aren’t losing that much, the f150 body costs about $16k to make and the battery and motors are probably around $20k. After transport and selling costs they might be clearing $2k per unit. Obviously not enough to support the company or pay back the huge investment they made in electric but you have to remember not that many people are going to buy the base model with no options, and it’s really just a starting point to get people interested in their electric products. They also sell a regular f150 every 30 seconds that they make between $5k-20k on that offsets the low profitability of this
MATH!
I want an Expedition EV.
I wonder, has anyone asked Ford why this truck's power is unrestricted, considering the MachE has only 5sec of full power and when driven harder goes to turtle mode. And we know, that shortly there will be people drag racing these against the machE and the mustag will lose, which will be a huge insult to all the MachE owneres that spent 50-60grand specifically for performance.
These are buffling choices by Ford, which need to be remedied right away.
This is the EXACT truck I will be ordering, hopefully in July. Pro, 0 options, in black. Thanks for reviewing this one in particular!
Good luck getting it 👍😄
@@tomstarcevich1147 I am fairly confident. Dealer called me taking a survey as to what trim I will order. He says Ford wants to right-size the mix of trims this go around. Im hoping order by end of August and delivery before Xmas.
@@MindofMatter Smart color... when you order the Pro in black, the side mirrors and door handles will match the color of the vehicle.
@@KLFaber yep, you read my mind
never going to get a cheap one for years and years. .. pointless to even think about unless you were the 1st one in line.
Name any practical EV with Dual Motors for $40,000, That’s Unbelievable. Ford has once again built a Vehicle for the Masses….👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
True, but then again not really as it won't be mass produced for a while
No individual will get this truck for $40K
@@williamdavis4809 people have ordered, received build dates, and also gotten a VIN for their pro truck, so yes they are being built
@@jamespaul2587 Not for lack of desire by Ford. I'm sure that if there wasn't a shortage of components and batteries, they'd churn out a bunch more Pro trim trucks.
@@SweetBearCub that seems unlikely when they can easily sell the higher priced and higher margin units
Too bad no dealership is going to have these in stock ever for me to buy one same day for MSRP. Maybe in 2033 I'll be able to buy one. I'm not going to preorder a truck.
The no option base is a pretty good deal actually.
No it isn’t. Ford will never make these available at 40k. Bait and switch is all it is.
I've always been the opposite of a truck guy. Compact cars forever. But this? This might just convert me.
If it somehow ends up in the EU.
I’ve said it 1000,000 times! This is the best EV deal on the planet!
Shh!
Only if you can get one.
Just a marketing campaign, build 500 base models per year and 50,000 for 80k USD. 🙈
If you can actually get one. I’ve talked to dealers around me and it’s absolutely impossible to find a base pro. Like actually impossible. Let alone the “pro extended range” that seems to be going exclusively to fleet sales. I agree it’s an absurd deal for 40k but it’s going to be so extremely difficult to find one and get it at MSRP I really can’t get my hopes up.
I assume they’ll sell a handful so people can post on social media about them actually selling and then keep them at less than 1-2% of their total F150 Lightning sales the first few years. Can only imagine what they’ll go for on the used market
That truck in May 2022 was $40,000. The bed-liner is extra and the mirrors is extra , so that truck with those extra accessories maybe now $56,000.00
Good video. Sounds like they have a real winner for those who really like to drive a truck over a standard car. The range is fine around town. Big thing for me would be heated seats and steering wheel for winters in Minnesota. I assume it has a backup camera?? What about a front camera? Really helpful when parking. Hopefully, you’ll be able to do some more review on this with emphasis on features. Thanks again. Really informative.
I thought backup cameras are now mandatory in all new cars regardless of trim levels.
I am wave 2. I placed my XLT order back on 1/21/2022. I still don’t have a vin or production date. Anyone in wave 1 or 2 out there that has better news?
I just got an update from Ford. My XLT is scheduled for production on 8/8/2022. A little upset with the delayed production date, but grateful I am in the que.
The pricing makes no sense! The Pro is ridiculously value for money, and anything with the extended pack is stupidly overpriced. $20k more for 31kwh of batteries costing $4000 is a ripoff.
Well you do get 120 more hp, plus pro power onboard as standard, plus the 80amp charge pro station bi directional charger needed for v2x.
But I do agree they pulled such a bait n switch on people with the price trims. 😐
Where are these 40k lightnings? Oh that's right! CANDYLAND! Sorry I couldn't get a visa
This is the one I want!
I doubt you can find many Pros. Ford has little battery supply so I a sure most 150s will be 70k + but I am going to try and get a Pro.
The F150-L Pro is an incredible value and will meet the needs of 80-90 percent of pickup truck buyers.
Yes, other than those that need to tow or haul heavy payloads, especially in cooler climates as that will lower range substantially
@@jamespaul2587 If heavy hauling and towing is the primary use a turbo diesel is the most fuel efficient and capable vehicle.
@@heathwirt8919 yes, but operating and maintenance cost of the EV will be much lower, as long as the EV has sufficient range for the requirements. It will be interesting to see how payload and towing affect real world range
This is for family-car buyers, not pick-up truck buyers. That's why it has a huge frunk with low liftover height.
@@aliendroneservices6621 the huge front trunk is an important feature for many who will use this as a work truck, complete with power outlets and room to use it as a mini workshop
the Kilowatts guy needs to stop saying 'exspecially'
I heard eggspecially??
This truck is amazing for the money, Ford really made it with this
it really is a wonder how/if they are making money on it. but awesome for consumers. pressure is on cybertruck to outshine the lightning :)
Really hope they make the Ranger or Maverick a full ev or a PHEV for those that don't want to spend quite this much. But damn you guys have me thinking about one of these.
I've been thinking the same thing. The Maverick would be great with a long range battery. Simple towing of 2-4000 lbs.. would be perfect for most of us. Who hauls heavy stuff with a small truck?
I have a Maverick on order. I ordered my gas truck in January. It was supposed to be delivered last month. I'm not even on the list and was told another ten months. I'm thinking of cancelling the purchase and looking for something else. I don't want a large truck because I really don't need it anymore. A small truck is perfect for me.
The "value" is irrelevant if it is a vehicle that is not available and won't be available for purchase for years.
Astounding value and excellent for the industry. Ford is trying the hardest of the "big" three with GM & Stellantis lagging hard. Ford has two long range EVs in mass production in the CUV & Truck space. Good for them if they get it right. I'd rather this was "idling" in my neighborhood than a 15-25 mpg hunk of fossil juice drinking engine.
Since the Expedition is based on the F150, I CANNOT WAIT to see these in a full size SUV format. Would be ideal for a giant family or for hotel shuttles, Uber XL type vehicles.
15-25mpg? Dang that’s 2.7 times more than I can get out of my ram
I absolutely hate the auto park feature. I like to open the door to see ramps as I drive up them and can't do it in my Jeep because of this. My biggest peeve and it should be a changeable setting.
For me this would be the perfect 👌 truck given its price and features! Value for money 💰 is what I would like 👍!
Electric cars are not like gasoline cars that needs thousand of parts to make them do not need that many parts, should be much cheaper than gasoline cars.
I'm on the list to order. That's the one I want. I want the vinyl - oops I mean vegan leather so I can just leafblower out all the pet hair and hose out mud. There's not really that many options you can add. I highly doubt they're going to offer that many of these Pro trims. I think they're more of a loss leader or bait and switch for personal buyers.
All auto companies do the same thing. The days of getting a menu of options you can pick and choose from have been long gone. That's what made the original Mustang so popular you could get so many options for that vehicle. You didn't have to buy packages.
I don't think I want one of these trucks---I don't want to spend a mo. going across country
I agree with what you said about the price. I have no idea how they’re making money on this at all. It’s cheaper than a base model 3, EV6, Ioniq5, Kia Niro, etc. _and_ has more horsepower, better acceleration, a larger battery pack more cargo space and is an entire damn full sized pickup truck. They have to be losing like $10,000 minimum on each one of these.
If you can get one of these base model, or especially the base+extended range model somehow, they’ll sell like crazy on the used market. If they were actually selling the extended battery on the base model and not just in fleet sales, I’d say it’s hands down the best deal on the market right now. The value proposition is outrageous and people should snatch these up ASAP before Ford updates their pricing to break even at the very least
My guess is that they can sell these so cheap because the lariat and platinum are so expensive and probably help subsidize this to some degree.
they want many of these on the road fast since theyr late to the market
Ever stop to consider that an all electric vehicle is naturally CHEAPER than one with an ICE, transmission, gas tank, filters, intake, emissions controls, linkages, feedback system, oil system, giant cooling system, drive shafts, etc...hopefully you get the point. ALL that crap balanced against a MOTOR with one moving part, no transmission, no drive axles, and no array of ancillary equipment just to support that overly complex, Rube Goldberg piston engine.
Ford used the same panels as on all their other trucks...that keeps it cheap. All the whiz-bang electronic doodads such e-screens and fancy lighting costs mere PENNIES to include for a $10K markup. The ONLY thing that used to be expensive is the battery and the cost of those has come down markedly in just the last few years and will continue to drop as next-gen tech becomes incorporated.
So I am not at all surprised that Ford can sell an electric F150 for $10,000 MORE than their ICE engine version and everyone ooos and ahhhs over how inexpensive it is and how much you're getting for the money....just fully conditioned consumers!
Oh, and UNLIKE ICE engines where eeking out more horsepower means more expense, electric motors making 400 hp combined and oodles of torque is easy....the BATTERY is where the power comes from - being able to discharge enough "power" fast enough. The entire "formula" for making big power for cheap with electric vehicles is SO much simpler than ICE...
@@randallscott-key802 I see what you mean but simpler doesn't always mean cheaper. Those "simple" batteries have a lot of rare earth materials in them like cobalt that are only found in certain countries which makes procurement of these more difficult than typical components like aluminum and steel and thus, more expensive. Toyota uses the cheaper, more durable batteries but they don't have near the performance or range as the high-end batteries.
We are a Ford truck family. We just purchased a 2022 Lightning Pro yesterday. We LOVE IT! He is on his first jobsite today
Good video. You were asking where is the difference in about $40k...well you got cloth seats, no power or heated/cooled seats, more hard plastics, no sliding rear glass or defroster, no panoramic roof, no blue cruise, no power tailgate or dampen, no large info screen, no carpet, no bedliner, no tailgate step and no front or rear light bar just to name a few. Also this shares alot of parts with their ICE truck so they got economy of scale to offer at lower cost ..the cab for example in low to high trim is exactly the same with all interior options.
Thank you for helping others gain perspective. Ford build tons of F150 trucks which makes 40k workable. Of course they want to sell the higher trims
You also have no ENGINE, transmission, drive train, gas tank, oil system, large coolant system, complex intake, and fuel injection system with computer controlled feedback! ALL that crap is replaced by a single motor per axle with ONE rotating part and a reduction gear! Electric motors are as old as ICE engines and dirt cheap for all "other" applications, so why would they cost any more for cars? They don't, you just THINK they should....
The basic F150 starts around $30K with all the ICE components...so by removing ALL THAT and replacing it with far cheaper electric drive components that present to you a $40K e-truck that is the SAME truck as the ICE version other than drive system.
Batteries have gotten MUCH less expensive in the last few years....Ford isn't loosing money on a $30K truck with a $10K added premium, optioned up to $45K+ and on up to $55K with all the doodads.
All that should be 20k
The 40k version is going for over 100k at dealers. This is a joke.
I agree Kyle, this is the best deal in the new car market hands down! With the tax credit, it can not be beat. But Ford does not want the average consumer to buy it. They are for sure losing money on every one. It will be interesting to see what happens on the second hand market with theses trucks. For example I could see a lot of rental car companies buying a bunch of these with the extended range batteries as a fleet and then selling them at their dealerships a year or so later. Could be very interesting.
I don't think Pro comes with extended range batteries, even as an option. It is strictly standard range only.
@@sandippatel8584 The fleet truck can be delivered with the extended range battery.
Nissan sells the versa brand new for 15 grabd...
Smug, condescending beta males …. Thumbs down … won’t be back
If I could get Pro Extended as a normal consumer, I'd get that. Since I can't, and since the XLT requires the 312A equipment group (for $9500) before you can even select the Extended battery ($10k,) that puts it so close to the Lariat in price, I'm just going to go for the Lariat. (Adding tow tech + max tow, the two configurations I'd buy are only $4k apart in price, and the Lariat is so much nicer for only $4k more.)
A fleet can get an Extended for $52k. The cheapest a consumer can get an Extended is $75k.
But your Lariat doesn’t have extended batt, correct?
@@ashrafc7794 Yes, it does. An XLT + Extended battery is only $4k less than a Lariat + Extended. And since I'd add tow tech package to XLT, and that's included on Lariat, it's only about $3k difference.
That is exactly what they want people to do. Upselling to the next package. Think of the XLT as a standard pack with a few nicer features on the interior.
@@davedavenport8673 If I were getting the standard battery (and if I didn't tow, I would,) I would get the base XLT.
Regarding the comments on towing:
I have a 4200 lb boat for fishing. I use it 1-2 times a month. So, most of my driving is not towing.
But, when I tow, I'm driving 120-150 miles round-trip with that boat. Without increasing the installed base of charging stations that can accept a vehicle towing a trailer, recharging the truck on those trips isn't practical.
So, to make sure I don't fully discharge the battery, I would need a 200-mile range while towing 5000 lbs for it to be practical.
Respectfully, the "most driving doesn't involve towing" comment misses a bit of the mark for what people like me really need in our tow vehicle.
Otherwise, I think this video is a very good representation of the vehicle and it makes me more optimistic that there will be an all-electric vehicle that works for me. Thanks.
great review! quick question, why does anybody at this day and age puts a shifter right in the middle of the cabin, where AFAIK it doesn't do anything mechanical anymore? is not that this shifter is moving levers or gears anymore right? I'd just get that out of the way !!!
Ford interviewed customers and a lot of F150 buyers like to rest their hand on it.
Ugh, I want one really bad, but I won’t pay a dime over MSRP. Too bad Ford dealerships are so greedy. If anyone knows a dealership offering MSRP I’ll fly anywhere in the lower 48.
As far as the heated seats, I bet the aftermarket guys will figure that out fairly quickly. For the tailgate dampers, like a commenter mentioned, $35 and ten minutes to do them yourself. You know the aftermarket guys are going to have a bonanza with these trucks. Premium sound, floor mats, bed liners, tonneau covers, custom wheels & tires, running boards, cattle guards, etc. The software and blue cruise is probably off limits. I personally don't mind keeping my hands on the steering wheel. Pro version for me if available.
Do you think we need heated seats in Texas? Yesterday was a low of 77F
By the time the aftermarket is done with it, the range will be 12 miles.
Great video, thanks for reviewing the base truck, thanks for talking about CHARGING (which Doug "I'm the best" DeMuro did not mention at all in his youtube "review" 🤣)
With ONE EXCEPTION. Not ONCE did you mention the actual purchase price is not $39,990+tax+TTL, it's whatever the dealer wants to sell it for. Do you really, REALLY think they're going to sell it with no markup? Do you REALLY think people will be able to get this and apply the $7500 tax credit for an effective purchase price of $32500??? Come on. Dealer markups are plaguing the non-Tesla part of the U.S. car industry right now. BEV pickup trucks are in big demand. For you to repeatedly talk about the "40K" purchase price all through this video and not mention that there could be a five or ten grand markup seems a bit disingenuous. (y'all are too smart for it to be just forgetfulness)
Dealers don't sell in a market vacuum. They compete with other dealers. Some dealers have committed to selling the truck with no markup over MSRP, check owner forums.
@@SweetBearCub ah, some rando saying "go check an infinite number of places on the internet to back up my claims." Never seen that tactic before. Dealers have territories enforced by the state dealers association. You can't compete too closely. I don't disagree that there might be multiple Toyota dealers in a large city. But on the whole there isn't enough competition because dealer profit would get hurt. The overall point I'm making is that we are in a landscape of insufficient supply of vehicles, and real life should NOT illustrate what a Freshman's Economics 101 professor would tell you about supply and demand. Dealers are unreasonably charging massive markups because the law they lobbied to put in place gives them the power to do so. Capitalism does not include lobbying legislatures to allow legally-backed monopolies. It's corrupt
The Pro is the best deal. I suspect it will be unobtainium. It will probably need to be ordered as dealerships will prefer the more expensive models.
It’s not that the base one is cheap but it’s that the top trims are overpriced.
What's the towing capacity and how does this affect the range?
Watch the video for towing capacity.
@@rcpmac they just tell you they don't show you. There's a difference.
Let me get this straight. People that are buying a truck are not going to tow? Interesting…
I would pick the Pro version/ standard over other trims any day. heated seats, steering wheel material and big screen, look cool but what happen if the screen fail? you lose almost everything. i can live with small screen fail as long the other controllers are function like AC...etc. what else not on the Pro? dampened tailgate? all of these doesn't justify the price of the higher trim IMO
Is there a problem with screens failing on any vehicles? Pretty sure they have that down by now.
@@davedavenport8673 Big screen is good. we know Ford have fix for everything and covered no question. but you need to remember that almost everything is controlled from it as its cover many functionality. mean if its fail (screen burned, not responding or broken..etc) you will be locked out from AC for example. unlike the small screen thing where its has limited control and you have the AC and radio switches separately. it will be hard but to drop the car on the dealer. I hope the big screen will handle the load. i really love the new Ford Lightning 🙂
@@shadad07 Like I asked, have you had a screen in a car burn out or break? I haven't. I have rebooted my Model Y computer while driving, but everything still works and when it comes back on it is fine.
@@davedavenport8673 you did not ask that if i had any screen burned incident before! you asked whats wrong with screen getting fail. and how on the world a rebooting can fix a burned screen? this is a hardware fail not a software glitch😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Best value provided the BS dealer market adjustments don't kill the vibe. You can almost expect 15k + with that alone here in Vegas.
Ford must have figured the savings on reducing part count and efficiency of scale outweighs the bean counting effort to reduce or dumb down content. I want one.
I assume Ford priced this so low intending to lose money in order to make headlines on “starting price,” and msrp on upper trims are inflated in order to make up the difference. Kind of brilliant but also a bit manipulative.
I'm sure Ford dealerships will make it expensive.
Plenty of dealerships don’t mark up over msrp and even offer free shipping anywhere in the US. That’s how I got my hybrid maverick. Just shop around
Thanks, getting a pro. You talked about what was missing for the price....Driver Assist Features! No Adaptive cruise mostly but other things also, which is disappointing.
I’d like to see someone try to park one of these in a 20ft garage.
Can you creep in forward and backwards with enough brake control to park within an inch or 2 of the wall without hitting it?
Is the backup camera view clear and zoomed in enough to back in almost touching without hitting the wall?
Yes that might be a problem.
The taycan didn't have creep
maybe you can have a white cane installed on the front bumper since you can't see WTF you're going.
A piece of white tape or something on the wall at eye level as a marker for where to stop every time works pretty well.
Here is my attempt: ua-cam.com/video/nPj_jt0imWk/v-deo.html