“Sliver Swarm” Commander Masters Precon Upgrade Guide | The Command Zone 549 | MTG EDH Magic

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    If you live for the Sliver, Commander Masters has you covered! This episode Jordan and Rachel sit down to upgrade the new 5-color “Sliver Swarm” precon deck. With a $50 budget, they’ll suggest 10 cards to join the hive, and 10 to cut out of the gene pool. Can craft the perfect hoard of mega slivers and be the terror of your table!
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    TIMESTAMPS
    00:00:00 - Intro
    00:04:47 - Main Topic Intro
    00:05:38 - Sliver Gravemother
    00:08:26 - Rukarumel, Biologist
    00:09:48 - Sliver Hivelord
    00:11:11 - Sliver Swarm STATS
    00:17:05 - Who should you run as the Commander?
    00:18:09 - Reprint Value
    00:24:10 - Notable Reprints
    00:27:32 - Best Cards in the Deck
    00:34:01 - Cards to Add
    00:47:51 - Cards to Take Out
    00:54:59 - How the Deck Plays
    00:58:21 - Outro
    01:01:07 - Jordan and "Dave the Diver"
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  • @geofferiswheel
    @geofferiswheel 11 місяців тому +225

    THANK YOU AGAIN for addressing the value of the boxes and continuing to hammer home that the value of these are not as good as precons from the past. Especially the breakdown per dollar.

    • @heretik82
      @heretik82 11 місяців тому +5

      Indeed, the honesty is greatly appreciated

  • @travischristiansen3896
    @travischristiansen3896 11 місяців тому +128

    This is why I love the Command Zone. They aren't massaging the numbers or excusing the price. They are being open and honest, more so than WOTC atm. Thanks Command Zone for doing what you can to hold WOTC accountable.

    • @CleoPinto4317
      @CleoPinto4317 11 місяців тому +8

      I really appreciate that this channel for keeping things mostly positive while still addressing issues in the hobby

    • @draco4569
      @draco4569 10 місяців тому +1

      Now, if WOTC would actually LISTEN to folks like these guys, MTG would be a far better product in general and fans would be a lot happer. I doubt they will, though.

  • @mikes9767
    @mikes9767 11 місяців тому +29

    Maybe I missed it, but I think its is worth mentioning. The Encore tokens of Sliver Gravemother are not your commander, and wont do command damage. Command damage can only be dealt by the physical card, not tokens or copies.

  • @jhake_687
    @jhake_687 11 місяців тому +64

    still mad about the mana base bro, it feels like wizards are getting more and more distant from their players

    • @jakecallen9164
      @jakecallen9164 11 місяців тому +10

      Agreed, there's no reason at least the battlebond lands shouldn't be in every precon

    • @floriandepauw
      @floriandepauw 11 місяців тому +6

      Actually they can make a really good mana base very stable for the same price they juste have to include painland instead of some tapland and the manabase is directly beter

    • @109968shadowboy
      @109968shadowboy 11 місяців тому +3

      I would submit feedback at wizards. It is a little difficult but still they need to know in writing officially

    • @BigBoii1369
      @BigBoii1369 10 місяців тому

      Planeswalker Party & Eldrazi Unbound precon land base are awesome tho!

    • @jeremycogar4576
      @jeremycogar4576 9 місяців тому +1

      They wasted a perfect chance to give us some reprints of decent duels or fetch lands.. or creating some sort of work around to make this viable. Hasbro is making more and more mistakes

  • @WhosNick
    @WhosNick 11 місяців тому +211

    So unfortunate this deck doesn't have a Sliver Hive reprint

    • @itayraviv2422
      @itayraviv2422 11 місяців тому +8

      That would've somewhat repented for the price jump
      Also the card desperately needs a reprint

    • @fdrehug7318
      @fdrehug7318 11 місяців тому +3

      Idk a $12 card that jumped in response to this deck doesn't seem that needed of a reprint. Sure helps the reprint value somewhat. But it's not the best land ever. Keeping 5 mana open so you can create 1 sliver token is mid at best

    • @bobross8585
      @bobross8585 11 місяців тому +15

      ​@fdrehug7318 it's more about having effectively another command tower in a 5 color deck

    • @fdrehug7318
      @fdrehug7318 11 місяців тому +1

      @bobross8585 yeah but if that's the case sliver hive still falls low on my 5 color lands

    • @iDanvari
      @iDanvari 11 місяців тому +3

      So unfortunate this episode doesn’t have Josh and Jimmy 😔

  • @joshuabarnett88
    @joshuabarnett88 11 місяців тому +145

    $50 is nearly impossible to upgrade a sliver deck missing so many pieces. This is an $80 upgrade to my existing sliver deck, not the other way around.

    • @ReyosBlackwood
      @ReyosBlackwood 11 місяців тому +7

      Same here. Most of the new slivers will find a home in what I already have, I wouldn't take this and try to upgrade it to be anywhere near what I already have for slivers.

    • @wesleyjohnson2251
      @wesleyjohnson2251 11 місяців тому +3

      Same, there’s a few slivers that I just don’t have but have been meaning to add to the hive, this deck is getting taken apart right out the box

    • @joshoa90210
      @joshoa90210 11 місяців тому +5

      Unless you’re a new player realistically people are paying the 85 dollars for the deck for gravemother and the 9 other new spells. New players for sure would need to put more than 50 into it to make it more competitive. But then again slivers are inherently good as long as you can get your mana properly balanced.

    • @ReyosBlackwood
      @ReyosBlackwood 11 місяців тому +4

      @@joshoa90210 i might also want to swap out some of the copies in my existing deck for the new arts (like the humanoid ones that looked crappy), but yeah mostly its for the new slivers

    • @Hiroitchi
      @Hiroitchi 11 місяців тому

      Agreed… most of it in the mana base.. rough. However I cant wait for the board state to have hatchery, gemhide/manaweft, intruder alarm, hibernation, cloud shredder, and then play virulent sliver

  • @jellain69
    @jellain69 11 місяців тому +17

    Basal sliver enables every sliver to dodge exile removal like path, swords, or farewell. Which allows them to be encored or unearthed later with dregscape sliver because they'll be in your graveyard instead of exile.

    • @matthewbesherse7001
      @matthewbesherse7001 10 місяців тому

      Basal also would let you sac say a muscle sliver and bring it right back if you need a surge of damage. Also you can sac the tokens the gravemother makes to cast more stuff.

  • @JadeHex
    @JadeHex 11 місяців тому +49

    120 dollar precon deck with a 6 dollar manabase. Seems legit.

    • @alexssain
      @alexssain 11 місяців тому +4

      Exactly, is fking ridiculous

    • @cowman22ish
      @cowman22ish 11 місяців тому +3

      A 5 color precon no less 🙄

  • @Debatra.
    @Debatra. 8 місяців тому +7

    Another really good card to add: Pull From Eternity. One white mana for an instant that returns an exiled card to its owner's graveyard. Get a second Encore from your favorite Sliver.
    Also, Clot Sliver combos well with Basal Sliver. Sacrifice some to save the rest.

    • @HAYDS510
      @HAYDS510 6 місяців тому +1

      great add. I was just wondering if there was a good way to do that

  • @lessthanevil
    @lessthanevil 7 місяців тому +5

    As a fan of sliver decks, I think I should note to anyone who is considering building one that it’s very easy to use Jegantha, the Wellspring as a companion. Only one sliver creature has double pip of the same color (pulmonic sliver) and you can tap it for the cost of your commander, meaning you have some insurance against getting mana screwed. Although you have to keep the companion errata in mind, it costs 3 to put it in hand, it is almost free to put into your deck.
    Slivers are also generally cheaper than you think. Only one at 7 mana and four at 6. This makes Bring to Light a tutor + cast for almost any sliver in your deck if you can spend WUBRG for it, especially if you have slivers that are particularly important for your strategy. It’s an extra copy of any of the WUBRG slivers in your deck.
    Obviously fetches, triomes and shocks are better than the included mana base. I really like the dual lands from the most recent Innistrad sets too, but with Nature’s Lore, Three Visits and Farseek, I would prioritize dual lands with land types.

  • @AngFX
    @AngFX 11 місяців тому +37

    What you wanna do w Ruka is name another tribe like dragons (for example) and use all the dragon tribal cards in the deck since Slivers are now dragons

    • @nickl1483
      @nickl1483 11 місяців тому

      THS! Ruka namng dragons plus Crucible of Fire for example

    • @livewire136
      @livewire136 11 місяців тому +2

      Zombies + Rooftop Storm

    • @richardjohnson207
      @richardjohnson207 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@nickl1483or better yet, either scourge of valkas or dragon tempest to start dealing some crazy damage

    • @j-dubz2349
      @j-dubz2349 11 місяців тому +6

      Name Gods or Praetors and you can World Tree or Realmbreaker the Invasion Tree them all onto the battlefield from your library at once.

    • @jakebladorn6426
      @jakebladorn6426 11 місяців тому

      It’s also really good if you use some steal/clone effects against other tribes.

  • @micheal5973
    @micheal5973 11 місяців тому +14

    How to upgrade…. Buy gravemother, lazotep and put it into your already existing sliver deck. Otherwise the mana base alone is gonna bankrupt you if you don’t already have a decent collection going

    • @Soulus101
      @Soulus101 11 місяців тому

      Yup, and players who don't have a sliver deck already can suck it.

    • @micheal5973
      @micheal5973 11 місяців тому

      I’m not even that against tap lands but only if they can make every colour your deck needs. Vivid lands, jumpstart lands, filter lands, evolving wilds clones. There ya go a tap land mana base that makes a 5 colour deck at least playable if not optimized with fetch, shock, duals and costing an arm and leg.

    • @NickTheGuy1993
      @NickTheGuy1993 7 місяців тому

      I'm trying to keep my sliver deck under $100 for now and the manabase is probably the most confusing part. I'm a newer player, so I'm really struggling to know what would work and how many "tap" lands are gunna be reasonable before it just becomes a clunked up mess. I've got most of the triomes in right now and then a good few that enter tapped but give any color e.g. rupture spire. Slivers seems like such a sick tribe to build, but the starting point is rough.

    • @micheal5973
      @micheal5973 7 місяців тому +2

      @@NickTheGuy1993 if your going on budget lean heavily into green and just throw in cultivate, Kodamas reach, farseek etc etc all the green staple ramp. Just a triome and a cultivate will have all your colours set up

  • @cwinship
    @cwinship 10 місяців тому +11

    Slight correction with Basal Sliver, i think you were under the impression that having three of them (due to Encore) essentially triples the mana Slivers sac for, when in reality it actually gives all your slivers three instances of "sacrifice for 2 black", meaning having multiple is essentially as useless as Tripling a keyword Sliver

  • @mikebutler9356
    @mikebutler9356 11 місяців тому +15

    Thank goodness these videos are so close together. I can not wait(!) for their eldrazi upgrade and review

  • @AusSkiller
    @AusSkiller 11 місяців тому +5

    I'm so glad I bought a Sliver Queen for ~$30, at the time it was the most I'd ever spend on a MTG card, but it was my birthday so I splurged, now it is worth 10x that 😮
    I wish it wasn't on the reserve list and that they'd reprint it though, I buy MTG to play MTG, I don't buy it to make money, and it would be a lot more fun to play MTG if everyone had access to all the cards at reasonable prices.
    BTW keep Winged Sliver in the deck, if you don't have flying slivers then every other flying creature on the board will attack you every turn.

  • @apexry3602
    @apexry3602 11 місяців тому +10

    Yeah baby im so pumped to upgrade my 2nd 80 buck Precon 🤣

  • @PortgasDAce7407
    @PortgasDAce7407 11 місяців тому +1

    I think yall are absolutely awesome!! Thank you for some of your insight on what i can do with my sliver swarm. Im definitely going to be looking into some of the cards yall mentioned. Stay awesome!!

  • @mrTjstephens1
    @mrTjstephens1 11 місяців тому +11

    This is one of few times where i think the land base needs more work than the deck. I watched this deck get played on the spike feeders channel it was hard to get mana out and it was incredibly slow compared to the other decks that were released with this set of pre cons. Find all your weird untap lands and just put those in. The deck needs a better base

  • @ForeverDayGreen
    @ForeverDayGreen 11 місяців тому +6

    Yey an upgrade guide that makes it so i spend 50 Bucks and still can't play because the biggest issue of the deck wasn't actually solved...

  • @corvonerodellatempes
    @corvonerodellatempes 11 місяців тому +3

    When you hear loud and clear complaints from the command zone about a wotzy product you really know something went wrong with it. Thanks for the honesty.

  • @kingweb11
    @kingweb11 11 місяців тому +36

    The way WOTC just inserted these precons into a premium set but purposefully did not say that these precons aren't "premium" from the beginning yet charging premium pricing is straight robbery. They shan't get another preorder out of me.

    • @saltyalters
      @saltyalters 11 місяців тому +2

      They did actually come forward and say these aren't premium products but only AFTER everyone lost it after seeing the decklists. They know exactly what they're doing.

  • @Naruto00704
    @Naruto00704 11 місяців тому +13

    I hope that after they have reviewed the 4 pre-cons that there will be at least one episode with all 3 of them (Jimmy, Josh, and Rachel) where they talk about this trend of the reprint value being less and less and what their thoughts on this in regards to the future of Magic as a whole is.

    • @peeporiot9948
      @peeporiot9948 11 місяців тому +2

      That's usually the end of year episode. But I'll tell you right now magic has a game is fine, despite what many would tell you. I am a firm believer that well Hasbro is generally scummy the community is showing time and time again that it can save the game should I ever go to a real bad breaking point

    • @Naruto00704
      @Naruto00704 11 місяців тому

      @@peeporiot9948 Maybe the fact that the pre-cons have been like this warrants a mid-year video of the same nature. So that any consumer can do anything is laughable. Saying that the players can make an it is just silly. Hasbro has the same power as any other company, like Amazon, and even if the online community is loud, there will also be those not online or don't care about the online talking points and will buy it anyway. It's better to think logically and use historically evidence then believe something will occur that might not.

    • @peeporiot9948
      @peeporiot9948 11 місяців тому

      ​@@Naruto00704did you not see how the outcry online caused Hasbro to backtrack on D&D? It's not insane to posit that the community safeguards the game. In terms of warranting a mid-year discussion, I think you could argue that for these precons but not for precons in general. These ones sting more because they're double, the normally priced ones have consistently been a good value this year.

    • @Naruto00704
      @Naruto00704 11 місяців тому

      @@peeporiot9948 Hasbro kinda needed to walk that back because that controversy I believe also occurred around the same time that the DnD movie was being released, so they didn't want anything to impact it.
      The normal pre-cons have been good and I am getting the Wilds pre-cons and might be getting the Ixalan ones depending on how they look. However, there should be more acknowledgement around the fact that the Commander Masters precons are $80 and, according to Blake Rassmusen, a WotC employee and mouth-piece for WotC, this set is not premium.
      If this set is not seen as Premium in the eyes of WotC themselves, then I fear that these 4 precons are a test case to see if they can push the price of pre-cons to be this much on the regular.

  • @heath1948
    @heath1948 11 місяців тому +13

    Sliver hive is reserved For the collectors boosters as a chase card

    • @leemiller6977
      @leemiller6977 11 місяців тому +1

      Good thing I bought a foil one from the 2015 Core Set a year ago.

  • @jacobfarkas3916
    @jacobfarkas3916 9 місяців тому

    Thank you for the video! I like the chemistry you 2 have. I think its the first video ive seen from you all. Liked and subbed.
    Green has gotten a lot of self mill recently. After this video im going to search for them, because ill have a lot of fun playing that route. I just bought this precon and I can't wait to be able to play it and change it up.

  • @chrisdixon7377
    @chrisdixon7377 11 місяців тому +63

    Wizards could have sold these for 60$ a piece and would have a standing ovation.

    • @Blacklodge_Willy
      @Blacklodge_Willy 11 місяців тому +2

      Agreed at least have them in equal measures to the LOTR at the 60 mark, that one new cards new I.P. this one more power, better reprints.

    • @bobross8585
      @bobross8585 11 місяців тому +4

      LOL yeah right, you all would've fucking complained either way.

    • @MrJustintreat
      @MrJustintreat 11 місяців тому +1

      I would have been excited for $60. 40 for standard set precons, 60 for everything outside that seems more than fair

    • @brandoncreek5709
      @brandoncreek5709 11 місяців тому +5

      ​@@bobross8585If you say so. 😂
      Cringe aside, 60 would have been way better than this mess, any idiot knows that. If they wanted to sell them at this price, they should have put in better mana bases and not literally the same as the Jared precon.

    • @aidennoir597
      @aidennoir597 11 місяців тому +3

      $60 would put the value per dollar spent at $2.55, which is within the range of all the other precons. This makes me think it was the plan until very late in the game. I'm guessing Hasbro had to make up earnings for one of their other many failing branches by leeching off Magic again.

  • @Beelzebubba1983
    @Beelzebubba1983 8 місяців тому +2

    I will be buying this set! I miss my slivers sooooo much

  • @danieldragotti2608
    @danieldragotti2608 11 місяців тому +3

    If your looking for a buget mana base fix. My plan gates with heros plaze; navagation orb, explor the underdark circuis rout and up the basic land count. Its the cheepest possibility way to upgrade it. Also always search for gondo gate first that way your gates come in untwpped

    • @trizkit995
      @trizkit995 11 місяців тому

      Gates with gondo and a few non basic land tutors is the best budget mana option.

  • @jamesmoore1476
    @jamesmoore1476 11 місяців тому +6

    I was just thumbing through my slivers deck and noticed that one of the secret lair bonus cards, Opaline Sliver, has a quote from Rukarumel's field journal. Haven't seen anyone mention that she was a known character in magic yet so I wanted to point it out! Looks like the reference was on the original Time Spiral card.

  • @DuxBellorum13
    @DuxBellorum13 11 місяців тому +3

    As someone who's main sliver deck is Sliver queen I love Basal sliver due to its combo potential. Seeing what all came in the deck I can't wait to pull it apart and absorb it into my existing hive (I already have the majority of the suggested upgrades). But I am also potentially interested in getting a second Gravemother to build her own deck around.

    • @unknowntitan5884
      @unknowntitan5884 11 місяців тому

      Go old school with a heart stone and ashnods altar

  • @AlliePaints
    @AlliePaints 11 місяців тому +7

    I actually think rukarumel is the more interesting commander to upgrade based on because you can start adding other creatures with good effects and make them all slivers

    • @jensbowler7120
      @jensbowler7120 10 місяців тому +2

      Or using white token generators for sliver armies.

  • @Jay-yr9oi
    @Jay-yr9oi 11 місяців тому +4

    One sliver I didn't see on the decklist which might be a decent include, and is less than a dollar, last I checked, is Leeching Sliver. It's 1B for a 1/1 sliver that deals 1 damage to the defending player when a sliver creature you control attacks. Really good if you are going wide. Also, given how cheap a lot of slivers are, CoCo is a solid inclusion.

    • @LeoInterVir
      @LeoInterVir 8 місяців тому

      Would that work with poison?

    • @Jay-yr9oi
      @Jay-yr9oi 8 місяців тому

      Not sure. It’s basically ping damage, not combat damage, so I’d assume it would depend on the specific language of the card turning the damage into poison

  • @TheBoogeyGhost
    @TheBoogeyGhost 17 годин тому

    Rukarumel, biologist combo with the world tree is a nice set up. You can pump out all your slivers from your deck. I run this and it's a lot of fun. Rukarumel as my commander too

  • @LordCyfarwydd
    @LordCyfarwydd 11 місяців тому +6

    For Rukarumel, it actually could be interesting if you’re playing against a tribal deck (elves, goblins, et al) where they have something that buffs all of that type… so you could essentially “borrow” your opponents efforts.

    • @2face865
      @2face865 11 місяців тому

      Great point

  • @joelrandall2348
    @joelrandall2348 11 місяців тому +1

    Amusingly Sidewinder Sliver does well with encore because each instance of flanking triggers.

  • @jakecallen9164
    @jakecallen9164 11 місяців тому +41

    For precons youll be lucky to find for under $100, they really dropped the ball on these

    • @mufasafalldown8401
      @mufasafalldown8401 11 місяців тому +5

      This one is closer to 150 than 100

    • @jesterjackal6478
      @jesterjackal6478 11 місяців тому +1

      Amazon has or had them locked in at $85-$90. Doesn’t make it right just saying

    • @tamska
      @tamska 11 місяців тому

      They are dropping quite a lot in Europe, and this is before release.

    • @iluminas2866
      @iluminas2866 11 місяців тому

      Yep in Europe it fell to nearly 70€ and is now stable at mid 80€ though thats with tax

    • @RawnRawnPlus
      @RawnRawnPlus 11 місяців тому

      I got mine for $90 :D

  • @jmfflint2
    @jmfflint2 11 місяців тому +1

    Personally back in the day would run wild pair in my sliver deck and it was kind of amazing

  • @aunrah02
    @aunrah02 11 місяців тому +1

    Gem Hide sliver & Manaweft sliver.
    Auto includes if they are not already in the deck.
    Get rid of 2 of those taplands.

  • @Soulus101
    @Soulus101 11 місяців тому

    Haunting Voyage is another card that I would consider, and Relflections of Littjara, both great tribal cards that add to the themes. Another on is Embalmer's Tools, which will give a discount on Encore abilities. Moritte of the Frost is a Shapeshifter clone, so will benefit from all of the sliver synergies and be an extra copy of whatever you have already.

  • @Shimatzu95
    @Shimatzu95 11 місяців тому +1

    Hunting sliver is one i would always add as it pretty much turns your slivers into creatureremoval

  • @ubergusterfan1
    @ubergusterfan1 11 місяців тому +1

    Reflections of littjara works so well in this deck. I'm also a huge fan of sliver legion. You encore sliver legion, all slivers get +3/+3 for each other sliver you control. That's a finisher right there.

  • @DrkNinja_
    @DrkNinja_ 11 місяців тому +5

    I think you guys missed the point of the alternate commander, you can make all your slivers goblins or elves. But you know what else you can do? You can make all your slivers gods, and you may ask yourself why would I want to do that? And I would tell you the world tree is why. Or maybe you want to make them praetors, and you know throw realm breaker in... She is more of a combo version of a sliver deck, and she's probably way more glass cannon than most people would like. Which is exactly why I'm going to build her

    • @DuxBellorum13
      @DuxBellorum13 11 місяців тому +2

      I feel the point they were going for is that she is much stronger her own deck that would be better built a bit different. (Have both realmbreaker and world tree in the deck and choose base on which you get first)

    • @DrkNinja_
      @DrkNinja_ 11 місяців тому

      @@DuxBellorum13 That's kind of what I thought too but then she gave the example of naming sliver and I was like wait a minute

  • @jesusromanleal2587
    @jesusromanleal2587 10 місяців тому

    Played 3 games with my brothers with this deck when I got it. The first 2 were fine. Then the 3rd one I hit 8 tapped lands with regular draw, card draw, Hollowhead Sliver, and Capricious Sliver. Definitely changing that.

  • @104FREDRICK
    @104FREDRICK 11 місяців тому +1

    It is wild that i had preordered this at $85, have $50 of potential upgrades and have not touched the mana base. Wanted to start slivers but not yet apparently.

  • @kellerrood2083
    @kellerrood2083 11 місяців тому

    I have a sliver queen combo deck but im primarily a aggro player so i was instantly excited to have a another sliver deck that is more "casual" aggro

  • @noahwilliamlee
    @noahwilliamlee 11 місяців тому +1

    Rukarumel makes slivers plus any other tribe exciting. Sliver goblins, Sliver dragons, sliver humans, sliver elves, etc. Reducing the cost to cast with goblin or dragon spells, spells that due damage for how many goblins you have, spells that do damage for power do dragons upon etb, are all better with adding slivers to those types. She makes slivers almost like a changeling for the other type!

  • @TheRandomeDud3
    @TheRandomeDud3 11 місяців тому +1

    I love the addition of Rachel to the team. Her insight on cards, combos etc is great. Great job on the upgrade y'all. I agree that Sliver Hive would have been a phenomenal reprint. Slivers are always going to be pricey because they're that good.
    I would consider adding Noxious Assault as a finisher. either your opponents are going to take a bunch of damage to the face or they block and get a lot of poison counters. Also if you're going to be adding poisonous, why not add some of the corrputed cards such as Phyrexian Altar, Vat of Rebirth (when Sliver Grandmother's casting cost is super high), Glistening Sphere,

    • @cwil135
      @cwil135 8 місяців тому

      They made new cards that essentially do the same thing as Sliver Hive. I really don't think they needed to reprint the land.

  • @Bonesai31
    @Bonesai31 11 місяців тому

    Great job with this video

  • @IraStrife
    @IraStrife 11 місяців тому +1

    Teferi's Veil better than Sundial of the Infinite. Your attacking with the slivers anyway, and if there phased out, they can't be sacrificed. Also goes for about 1.00 at its peak a few months ago. Only have to pay for it once, and people who don't know better won't target it as early. Only downside is lack of blockers, but if you don't run vigilance and turn sideways a lot, then your not missing much.

  • @thenextchicken
    @thenextchicken 11 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for criticizing the value.

  • @jaredwonnacott9732
    @jaredwonnacott9732 11 місяців тому +1

    With Basal Sliver or Manaweft Sliver or Gemhide Sliver, Clot Sliver saves half your board from a Blasphemous Act or any number of other board wipes. Regenerate isn't super powerful, but paying two mana for each creature you want to save isn't as out of reach as it would be elsewhere.

  • @fractile
    @fractile 11 місяців тому +1

    Just for transparency on price point. For retailers to make what is the standard mark up in the table top specialty space, and justify the wholesale cost of these commander decks, the shelf price will have to sit between $100 and $110. A retailer could sell them for the $80 mentioned in the video but they will be taking a substantial hit to their margin to do so, for little to no gain.

  • @popsandblades
    @popsandblades 24 дні тому

    This was an amazing video. I'm going to buy this deck to get me started, but I will tweak it a bit also with some old school flair. Basically, I'm just looking for an excuse to use my Sliver Queen.

  • @Nurfee
    @Nurfee 11 місяців тому +2

    Meanwhile this Sliver deck sells for 165$ here in Norway... ugh... Just why? *sigh*

  • @ImAussieMate
    @ImAussieMate День тому

    Cilantro sliver for the food tokens is an auto include and coriander sliver is the same but for all slivers and not just the American slivers.

  • @Kagebushin01
    @Kagebushin01 11 місяців тому +1

    If you have cards that make certain types cost less throw them in and use Wizard girl to make slivers count as them then boom cheaper slivers. Also dont pump gaveyard too fast since you can only encore each card once unless you have a way to return from exile.

  • @jeremycogar4576
    @jeremycogar4576 9 місяців тому

    Rukarumel is for mixing tribal decks together.. picture mixing vampires along with the slivers.. which I might do... vampires have different kinds of synergies that has way more sorceries, enchantments, and instances to back them up.

  • @joshuarichardson6585
    @joshuarichardson6585 11 місяців тому

    One of my best friends quit playing in Scars block. He heard about the sliver deck and Eldrazi deck and was planning on getting both, and the price changed his mind and he didn't come back to the game.

  • @MrMoose-lq1ww
    @MrMoose-lq1ww 11 місяців тому +1

    I feel like they are not really getting the encore but like the slivers comeback for one combat phase and are then exiled. If any one of the slivers that gave regenerate were legendary and five colours they would be better. Or one with undying slivers want to stick around not like the viashino

  • @w00dm31st3r
    @w00dm31st3r 11 місяців тому

    What would help against the downside (most of the time) of sacrificing your tokens to the encore effect, running sundial of the infinite helps. Idk if it’s in the precon or not but it’s a nice inclusion

  • @larrysellers9204
    @larrysellers9204 10 місяців тому

    How would you go about fixing the mana curve? I've been away from the game for a awhile and got this for the same reason as your friend. I've loved slivers since they first came out.

  • @Cpagrav56
    @Cpagrav56 11 місяців тому +1

    Rachel intro: "Here is the sliver hive! Oh sorry sliver swarm..."... yep sliver hive is NOT in this deck. I don't know if she did this on purpose but that was brilliant😉

  • @user-by6xe3mn7s
    @user-by6xe3mn7s 11 місяців тому +5

    They sure wouldnt call it sliver hive :p

  • @jonathaneklund6003
    @jonathaneklund6003 11 місяців тому +3

    Sliver legion seems insane in this deck

    • @ubergusterfan1
      @ubergusterfan1 11 місяців тому +1

      I just made this comment. You encore sliver legion and that's your win con. +3/+3 for each other sliver you control? That's insanity.

  • @magnusraxus
    @magnusraxus 11 місяців тому +5

    Crazy how Sliver Hive jumped to $40 from $10 now

    • @leemiller6977
      @leemiller6977 11 місяців тому

      I'm glad I bought a foil one a year ago then. I think it was around 10$

  • @DaKareerKilla
    @DaKareerKilla 11 місяців тому +2

    10 cards to upgrade the mana base?

  • @thaplague4u
    @thaplague4u 11 місяців тому

    I have the original, so the only reason I'd keep rukarumel is because seedborn muse combined with the "tap sliver to gain mana" is just so nice of a wincon

  • @cas126
    @cas126 11 місяців тому +2

    I think ive won every game once i have indestructible plus shroud with the 2 slivers that grant that. Everytime those 2 have been out, I dont remember losing. That and having counterspells and evasion for boardwipes help

    • @jamesmoore1476
      @jamesmoore1476 11 місяців тому

      When I started playtesting against my own decks I realized how easily some decks fall down to indestructible creatures. With no way to handle the board I just call the match lol.

    • @LeoInterVir
      @LeoInterVir 8 місяців тому

      Let me introduce you to World Slayer. Equip once Slivers are indestructible. Even better when also unblockable.

  • @markusaurelius83
    @markusaurelius83 9 місяців тому

    It's correct to hammer home that the price is absurd. But to be fair, they did something that's unusual to make Sliver Players still be excited for this product: All the ugly Predator Slivers got fresh and beautiful new classical Sliver artworks. 17 new Artworks for old Slivers overall. This is really great and I appreciate it. The other Decks didn't have that though.

  • @duhagumrukcu
    @duhagumrukcu 3 місяці тому

    I just ordered this precon and while i might be overdoing it, my plan is to use the 2nd commander in combination with realmbreaker, the invasion tree to give all my creatures the type "praetor" and then use the realmbreaker to summon my entire deck at once. And if they board wipe it, i plan on bringing everything back by using encroaching mycosyth and wake the past.

  • @PaoloSilverInzaghi
    @PaoloSilverInzaghi 11 місяців тому +3

    Basal Sliver's an activated ability. You don't get 6 mana, unfortunately. It's huge and pays for the encore of a ton of other slivers, so it is one of the best slivers, but the mana stays at 2.

    • @Thushira
      @Thushira 11 місяців тому

      I think they mean 6 mana as in sacrificing themselves gets 6

    • @LordCyfarwydd
      @LordCyfarwydd 11 місяців тому

      Yeah they mean 6 total - 3 basal slivers x2 each.

  • @Soulus101
    @Soulus101 11 місяців тому +1

    Another thought that these upgrade videos should probably address. If I spend $40 on a precon, spending another $20 on upgrades is probably okay; if I spent $80, then spending a further $20 makes the overall price exorbitant. This is compounded by specific high cost omissions (Sliver Hive) that might eat up that entire upgrade budget.

  • @goofydragon8023
    @goofydragon8023 11 місяців тому

    My current sliver deck is a hive lord deck with silver legion as a hidden commander

  • @ryantomczak2248
    @ryantomczak2248 11 місяців тому +2

    I like how they say around $80 when this precon is still $110. It has come down from the $150 initial presale amount, but it needs to drop a lot more to get to the $80 they have quoted on the show.

    • @Justadadonthetok
      @Justadadonthetok 11 місяців тому

      I locked one in from Amazon at $80 like a week ago. When they first had them they were $100 plus and the price kept dropping.

    • @Justadadonthetok
      @Justadadonthetok 11 місяців тому

      I locked one in from Amazon at $80 like a week ago. When they first had them they were $100 plus and the price kept dropping.

    • @ryantomczak2248
      @ryantomczak2248 11 місяців тому

      @@Justadadonthetok Thanks for letting me know. When I check Amazon now they are $105. Apparently the price went back up.

  • @Helixcards
    @Helixcards 11 місяців тому +2

    ... rukarumel makes herself a sliver. She's basically a fixed sliver queen.

    • @DuxBellorum13
      @DuxBellorum13 11 місяців тому

      Sliver queen doesn't tap to make a sliver

    • @Helixcards
      @Helixcards 11 місяців тому

      @DuxBellorum13 that's why I said fixed.

  • @peggle09
    @peggle09 11 місяців тому +1

    Yeah this deck is more of an upgrade to my current high power sliver deck. It was def sad to not see so many sliver staples not in this deck.

    • @samlamartina9952
      @samlamartina9952 11 місяців тому

      Got a link to your current sliver decklist?

  • @Anthony.Kunz_
    @Anthony.Kunz_ Місяць тому

    If you use Rukarumel as the main commander, against commanders like Anawon the rune sage it helps, if you arent going with the graveyard strategy

  • @liamcd123
    @liamcd123 11 місяців тому

    "You double the price, you get double the scrutiny." Hell yeah get 'em!

  • @dropkickpikachu
    @dropkickpikachu 11 місяців тому +1

    The omission of sliver hive is mindboggling given the frankly awful mana base of this thing

  • @josephrogers21
    @josephrogers21 11 місяців тому

    Kindred Discovery sounds like a quick way to deck yourself out

  • @ingolf82
    @ingolf82 11 місяців тому

    I haven't seen 3 color sliver commander decks before, I have seen 3 color oathbreaker sliver tribal before though with Tamiyo, field researcher as the Oachbreaker and Finale of Devastation as the signature card. the professor made the deck on his channel some time ago.
    Edit: so I combed through the mana base of this deck. I own all the fetches and shocks, so I can buy cheap proxies of them for 4 $ without feeling guilty, there are 23 lands that you can take out and replace with better ones and I didn't even put all 10 fetches and shocks in here, I put all the triomes that have land types on them and a couple of bond lands (Spire garden and Bountiful promenade). I wanted to have at least 1 basic land left of each type to enable the "have lands" (canopy Vista, cinder glade etc.) already in the deck. I'd say, if you want to buy all 23 lands for full price, you are looking at 200-300 $ because 1 land I put in is Cavern of Souls. I think Obeka or whatever she's called that ends your turn is great along with that sundial of the infinite. all together: 41 cards were removed and added, that is over 2/5 of the deck. but the sliver deck has been a pet project of mine for a long time I never got around to building and now gosh darn it I'm gonna do it. Mondrak is pretty sweet here too if you can afford it. when you encore you get 6 slivers instead of 3.
    As someone that plays Winota a lot, I can tell you, always finding what you want in the top 6 cards is fairytale land at best. I have whiffed a lot in Winota.

  • @MonStarxy
    @MonStarxy 11 місяців тому

    50:10 Jimmy Wong Plays for the Ancestors
    Jimmy exclaimed with excitement, "Hold my Mountain Josh, this is one of the best cards in the deck!", and everyone else at the table groaned in response. Josh quickly realized the potential danger, as Jimmy could potentially draw three or even four Slivers from the top of his library. The game could end right then and there.
    But to everyone's surprise, Jimmy revealed the top six cards of his library, and not a single Sliver was among them. This caused a wave of laughter to ripple through the group. Disappointed, Jimmy wore a sad expression as he muttered, "Well, you can't win them all." He then passed his turn.

  • @tylerwolf42
    @tylerwolf42 11 місяців тому

    Thoughts: Would Thassa Deep Dwelling be good to blink ETB slivers?

  • @crossovergames5216
    @crossovergames5216 11 місяців тому

    Did I miss the mention of the new cards in general or for the value in the deck?

  • @corrackisdead
    @corrackisdead 11 місяців тому +1

    IDK I don’t think Gravemother does anything at all for slivers, like yes it gives you 3 to 1 bodies but regenerate is just a better option to keep them around, yes you don’t want slivers in the graveyard but you want them even less in exile since you have reanimation things you can do to get them back. If Rukarmel didn’t tap herself to make a body I would say she would be the go to since then she’s a budget sliver queen.

  • @RBGolbat
    @RBGolbat 11 місяців тому +2

    They keep saying $40 precons, but I’ve never seen the older precons on release be less than $50.

    • @LordCyfarwydd
      @LordCyfarwydd 11 місяців тому

      Most of them were $40
      Until about a year/18 months ago. That’s when they went up to $50.

  • @diskuslars7527
    @diskuslars7527 8 місяців тому

    Nice Additions ...i Put Obeka in it too..cause of 100 Cards and one Sundial...i liked to Double my Chance cause its a Coreability of this Deck .
    And then there is the Manabase...with this the Update gets expensive quickly but there is No choice If you want this Deck perform well

  • @DarkMagicGamer
    @DarkMagicGamer 11 місяців тому

    Sliver Legion is a must for the encore effect.

  • @michaelwardle7633
    @michaelwardle7633 11 місяців тому

    Basal Sliver is dope with encore.

  • @lukesoderstrom7432
    @lukesoderstrom7432 11 місяців тому

    THANK YOU SO MUCH for saying bluntly that the price creep is abismal. Yours is the only real voice (compared to us) towards WoTC on this matter, so PLEASE AND THANK YOU.

  • @jonathonskogman8337
    @jonathonskogman8337 11 місяців тому +1

    Rukarumel has a home in my competitive sliver deck as she will turn my dorks, biomancer's familiar and Zirda into slivers and make them easier to tutor and protect allowing me to do a bunch of very stupid infinite shenanigans.

  • @justintaylor3416
    @justintaylor3416 11 місяців тому

    I was kinda hoping they would cover the new cards. Not from a financial standpoint, but from a whats in the deck and how are we upgrading view.

  • @Trivedi_Tuesdays
    @Trivedi_Tuesdays 11 місяців тому

    Basal, dormant, and mindlash sliver 😅. Also the damage sliver and blas act 😂

  • @kennethbowles4049
    @kennethbowles4049 11 місяців тому

    Honestly, I think Sliver Overlord is a better commander overall. With Gravemother, you can't tutor for the sliver you need. Once you get Crystalline and the Hivelord out, you are sitting pretty with hexproof and indestructible. I proxied Gravemother and tested her out with my current deck and struggled. My opponents had plenty of graveyard removal and anti-recursion tricks too.

    • @matthewtompkins4338
      @matthewtompkins4338 10 місяців тому

      Yeah but Overlord is $75. Deck could probably also use a Mana Crypt but I’m certainly not buying one

  • @joeredmann785
    @joeredmann785 11 місяців тому

    Would Obeka be another good include alongside sundial of the Infinite? Sure it’s not a sliver but a second chance at keeping all of your encore-ed slivers alive would be sweet. 46:33

  • @JarisJ_
    @JarisJ_ 8 місяців тому

    Would something like training grounds work? Would it apply to cards in the graveyard since gravemother gives them the ability? Ex: a sliver card that cost two mana would only cost one because the encore cost is equal to its mama cost.

  • @heavyslayer5232
    @heavyslayer5232 11 місяців тому

    I was rereading how encore worked when you put up sliver gravemother at the end and realized that sundial of the infinite only let you keep them till the end of your opponents next turn because it says "at the beginning of the next endstep" not the beginning of your next end step unless I just understood it incorrectly you can't keep them forever with sundial of the infinite.

    • @jonnyrice5263
      @jonnyrice5263 11 місяців тому +3

      The "Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step" part is a delayed trigger of the encore effect (not an effect given to the creature token(s)) that goes onto the stack in the end step. Once it's on the stack, you can activate Sundial of the Infinite in response to end the turn. This will exile the sacrifice trigger from the stack, preventing it from resolving, and nothing will be sacrificed. Once that sacrifice effect has been put onto the stack it will never trigger again, regardless of whether the effect resolved.

  • @joranmoore5663
    @joranmoore5663 11 місяців тому

    I swear, every time I watch a video with him in it, I hear my name.

  • @mark4736
    @mark4736 11 місяців тому

    As someone who has two sliver decks. I would agree that the mana base is pretty bad. And to get better mana base, some of the cards will cost you some money. For example, sliver hive is now $40. And you will need cavern of souls. Ancient ziggurat is cheap I believe. I would also keep winged sliver because it’s evasion. You want flyers and your opponents will quickly kill the galerider and the cloud shredder sliver. Winged just helps. I think shifting sliver will help as all.

  • @chrisdixon7377
    @chrisdixon7377 11 місяців тому +2

    Im surprised hatchery sliver wasnt mentioned. That card is Broken.

  • @oliverdevendorf4154
    @oliverdevendorf4154 11 місяців тому +1

    Rachel to piece of paper: Get outa here bro!