Why Talk Therapy Doesn't Work
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- In this video, I go over the reasons why talk therapy cannot result in the kinds of profound healing and transformation that we are looking for. And point you in the direction of what does.
#cbt #trauma #therapy
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I found journalspeak with Nichole Sachs to be extremely valuable. Feeling everything and writing it out of you. I had such quick results it made my head spin. I needed to work through things on the page myself, I dont really think talk therapy would add much more. What I write I could never share with another human being, let alone openly talk about it.
Great videos!!! Are you still active on the Kiloby Membership? I was there for over a year and the tools and the encouragement with the classes, etc. were great; however, the way Scott moved was troubling to me (yelling at Darby because she was repressed, promising people who spent thousands on facilitator training that they would have free membership for life then changing that after they pain,, the way EVERYTHING was put down to emotional repression, the way any complaints about Scott and Dan or KI (including valid complaints) were put back on the person as the person's issue due to emotional repression, the way even if someone had a great day it was pathologized and they were asked "but what were you repressing." .I am grateful for the work I did there and how I learned to feel safe in my body, feel all the emotions, etc. but left as it gave me cult vibes, dysfunction vibes, and I don't feel comfortable recommending KI Membership to anyone. I will recommend you however as I have watched many of your videos and you seem to have really seen the forest through the trees!
He is selling you the very therapy he says doesn't work. However, his resentment towards people who have studied to be analysts over many years shows clearly. He uses psychodynamic/analytical terms but doesn't have the experience nor qualifications that come with proper training- if he did he wouldn't suggest therapists seek to intellectualise emotional issues, addiction or trauma. He's fundamentally incorrect with his representation of what talk therapy is. Also not everything is repression, not everything needs to be embodied either...
E.g. to prove my point:
Imagine your friend has cried everyday because they have broken up with their partner. They do not struggle to embody their emotions, they may have felt very anxiously attached, or lived in symbiosis with that person. Additionally, rejection may be a pattern they experienced before. Maybe, they have never experienced rejection like this before, and they have no frame of reference to make sense of the break up.
It could be many things that cause them to cry everyday, maybe crying actually makes them feel really good!
Now when you talk to them to try to understand their situation, the complexities of it, you are also helping them make sense of it. As they are put in a situation where they are not just feeling heard, held (winnicott term, not literally held) and maybe the strength of the counsellor can allow them to feel secure enough to express some confusing and conflicting emotions which can be made sense of gradually. Not by the counsellor but by the client. They will make sense of it just through the exploration of thoughts, feelings and description of what it is they are going through.
I doubt very much a man who suggests all counselling is essentially the lowest grade of CBT knows what talk therapy is - let alone be qualified to help people ESPECIALLY with addiction... the suggestion you can simply cut down to once every couple days is just... its hogwash
@@Geoh1990 Are you even listening to what he is saying?
Or you can't because your nervous system is in fight or flight mode
@@produfo9900:24 he says talk therapy works at the level of "intellect."
01:13 "crazy thinking"
01:22 "catastrophizing"
01:28 "can't stop drinking. Which is a behaviour and you're thinking about you're drinking but what's fueling this is ALWAYS much deeper down in the body in the unconscious and that is the level you need to work at."
First one and a half minutes. Briefly picked out points that need to be addressed. Catastrophizing is a CBT term, unceremoniously borrowed in this video. Similarly he borrows the terms unconscious, intellectualisation and rationalisation. I wonder which school of therapy he borrowed the term "crazy thinking" from? 😂
I will address your point regarding my "nervous system." You might see anger or anxiety in my writing, if you have worked with embodied somatic therapists (is what they are called right?) Then you will have been trained/coached into seeing anxiety/anger or flight/fight responses in almost everything. I am indeed angry about this video but do not confuse my anger with an instinctual process as my desire to challenge his falsehoods are fueled by my values, not emotions or instincts.
Specifically the last quote I picked out regarding addiction is extremely dangerous. Addiction, especially alcoholism, is not merely a behaviour caused by unconscious or repressed issued. An alcoholic suffering the most extreme cases will literally die if they stop drinking, they need specialist help and assistance from doctors who can prescribe medicines to help their body overcome withdrawal... it takes some understand of addiction and how it can affect people, to fully appreciate how wrong this man ironically named "drunken," is.
@@Geoh1990 Ooof you use too many words. You are all over the place. Maybe a little less 'talk therapy' for you? It may just do you some good 😉
Tell me you don't understand talk therapy without telling me you don't understand talk therapy.
It is offensive how absurd your suggestion talk therapy stays on the intellectual is- you use the term unconscious and other counselling/therapy terms to explain your theory. Yet somehow missunderstand that intellectualisation is in itself a defense mechanism pointed out way back in 1960 and before. Intellectualisation does not help work through emotional issues, insight also is not enough, awareness is only part of talk therapy.
Rationalisation is another defense pointed out in the mechanisms of defense by Anna frued and other theorists over 80 years ago.
You do understand gestalt therapy works directly with the body and uses the idea of incomplete gestalts (unfinished business) which to work with bringing the emotions into immediacy and embodying them. Beyond awareness gestalt seeks to develop the ability choose rather than react to stimuli.
Also your view on alcoholism that an alcoholic could begin to just "drink every other day" as they move to recovery is actually disgusting, it's repulsive and so amazingly ignorant of what alcoholism is that I genuinely believe you have bad intentions. Either that or you are willingly ignorant of what therapy is, what alcoholism is and what human defense mechanisms are.
"If you want a hand I work one on one" hahaha 😂 you are literally advocating for working on unconscious material as if you are an analyst WITHOUT the qualifications. What a joke
Hello - the core point is simply that if we remain only at the level of the intellect, the therapy will be very limited.
I hear your point that there are therapies that call themselves talk therapies that incorporate the body. Great! The therapies that incorporate both can be helpful, and there are plenty of those. My experience is the more you work with the body, the deeper the transformation goes (although not everyone wants that, necessarily, or is ready for it - and that's fine).
It's also true that the wave of somatic-based trauma work is still finding it's way into the mainstream. Talk-only therapies (e.g. counselling, CBT) are still the kind of default.
The reason this is important there are many examples of people (who I know personally or clients) who have done talk therapy (e.g. standard counselling or CBT) for years or even decades and very little has changed in terms of their core symptoms, even though they 'understand' what's going on for them more deeply. This is not good. It's leaving people in deep suffering and there are alternatives that are more effective. This is why it matters to call this out clearly.
Re: alcoholism, I was an alcoholic myself; I know what it entails. However, you're right that I shouldn't probably use the example so flippantly or without greater context. It could be misunderstood. I'll be more careful in future. Thank you for that.
Alcoholism manifests in many different ways (a middle-class professional drinking too much wine on the weekend is different from someone on the streets). It's also true that there are many ways people recover, not all of which are full sobriety. For less serious cases of alcoholism, somatic therapy can indeed be helpful to help people to grasp directly what is driving their drinking (i.e. the actual felt sense of nervous system dysregulation in the moment). More serious cases, many will need sobriety first as well as serious in-person support to detox and get clean.
Ben