Imagine playing chess but they add a new piece and expand the board every 3 months... you can drop a csgo player from 2014 into cs2 and they would still know how to play. Even a cs 1.6 player would understand it as fundamentally the same game.
Even people who never play cs will understand what happen on the screen. Gun shoot, molotov burn, grenade explode. That may take like 5 minutes to explain. Good luck with magical animal, black hole and more 80+ abilities (some just the same thing but in different color)
CS is one of the few games that is still popular and comes from the golden age of gaming. The game mechanics, vote kick, teamkilling, the people who play. It’s very reminiscent of 2000’s gaming that doesn’t exist anymore.
The problem with valorant for me being a csgo player is playing while trying to understand what all those abilities do i feel like im stuck in a wizard battlefield. cs is simple and grounded on reality, you already know what most grenades already do. you don't have to figure out why there is a dog running across the map and shit
lemme add that not having abilities leads to more options in cs.. only having certain teammates being able to use a flash grenade or a smoke grenade is a terrible design choice.
@@descree7 im not talking about life like realism. it is still a videogame but the guns and grenade are from the real world. I don't care if you want to live in anime egirl world if that makes you happy, soyboy
@@descree7 if you want an warfare simulator, then you've gotten to the wrong place, mate. Though what that dude claimed is understandable, and compared with Valorant, CS is on a more realistic approach in some aspects.
@@descree7 i think you've greatly misunderstood the comment. Cs has an aesthetic that compares itself to real life while valorant's aesthetic is cartoonish and focused on sci-fi. Both of them have great design choices btw.
I think a good analogy for CS:GO vs. Valorant gameplay is a blank canvas vs. a finished painting: One has more to offer at face value, but has already been made, the other one seems blank in comparison, but the less you tell some one, the more blanks they can fill in at their heart's desire.
I remember when Valorant came out, most of the pals I play CSGO with made the jump and co-opted me to try the game. I played a bit, realized it wasn't for me and left. Also, I know plenty of people who play CSGO that don't really "play" CSGO, as in they don't play the main modes or matchmaking, they play alt modes or things like surf, kz, bhop, zombie escape, etc and they won't find any of that in Valorant
@@TheBloopers30 Yeah even trading alone has so many players addicted to the little gambling that is still left. I miss sites that’s used to promote playing a comp match on custom servers for guaranteed skins back in like 2015 or so.
The best thing about skins and CS in general is how much the community is actually involved in the game. Since the early CS betas the community played the biggest role in the game's shaping up meta, maps, skins etc..
@@batsy_1939 every map that was made during CS's betas was community made and featured officially in the game just like how workshop maps get featured every now and then in GO Nuke, Inferno, Dust, Vertigo. All of those maps started as community projects that were officially accepted and cemented themselves in the history of the game
I have the same issue with most hero-based multiplayer games. If you are deep in the game's ecosystem and play it regularly, you're chilling. However, if you take a break for a couple weeks or longer, you could come back and the game is completely changed and you have to re-learn a lot. I played overwatch for a solid year and after I stopped it was basically impossible to consistently pick the game back up because once they've added 2+ heroes since the last time I played it's a nightmare. I can go months without playing csgo and I'll come back and I can get back into clicking heads and playing the same game. Tbh cod does this even better, I can skip entire cod game releases and come back years later and still figure things out in the new game pretty quickly.
Call me old school. But I do not like games with heroes. I don't have the time to learn which hero does what. That's why games like CS, BF, and UT are/were so great. No bullshit heroes. Just clean and simple game play.
@@simplysmiley4670 Yeah, most games these days keep adding heroes to keep up the hype surrounding their game. But I feel like that always causes a power creep also the heroes are always OP when they release to get people to buy them.
Honestly the same is somewhat true with CS:GO, but where nothing really change other than the meta (aka players learning new stuff), but that meta change can really fuck with one as an old player after a break. Having reinvent how you play almost everything when suddenly everyone knows how to counter you can suck quite a bit. With that said, you also sometimes experience the opposite where an old way of playing suddenly work wonders because the enemies you have didn't live through that meta and have no clue how to counter it.
I mean i started playing Valorant since -Most my friends play it and i cant find people to play with in CS:GO -CS became boring over time. -But i will return once CS2 comes out and hopefully i can run it decently.
I honestly think it just depends on how into the genre you are. I had never gotten into any high accuracy FPS games and started with Valorant, I had played CS a couple times and the player base was much higher skill level. Valorant offered an easier opening into the scene and is a more casual and laid back version of CS. I'm getting into CS now and trying my best, but I have to keep up with a very intense community while I play pretty casually. Its a lot more fun for me to hop into a Val lobby and go 23-10 rather than a CS match where I bomb for my team because of the intense skill gap. CS is an awesome game, just takes a lot more commitment and practice to get into it properly. I'm on my way there though :)
Something important to mention is that valorant is a lot more slow paced than csgo. A lot of times a simple b rush in csgo doesnt work in valorant since we have like 10 mollies, 10 flashes, 5 stuns, and like two pulls. Overall valorant rounds tend to be more baiting out abilities and stuff.
After putting plenty of hours into both games, I couldn't agree more. One thing I think that's worth mentioning is the meta that comes along with having heroes with different abilities. I don't want to play a game where I am at a inherent disadvantage because I didn't pick a top tier hero. I like it when everyone is on an equal playing field and has access to the same equipment.
I mean it doesn't really work like that but i get you. Just don't let the internet pick what you play. For example people say LOL is for obese discord mods, well that will stop you from paying that game right? No don't do that do what you like (i am not telling you to play lol for 10 hours a day)
@@batsy_1939 ok but league is exactly what he said he hates. in league you can master a playstyle with a few champs and climb really high only for riot to decide that next patch your champions will be 45% wr L tier and you can play 10x better than the enemy players but still lose just off the fact that they're playing meta champions and you are not. How fun can the game be when arguably the best mechanical player in the world (beifeng) goes from solo killing 2k lp chinese super server midlaners lvl 3-4 to using tp first strike dshield resolve and hugging his turret for 20 minutes hoping his team wins.
@@HOODPARANOIA and valorant is kinda a mix of fps and moba which is rly taxing for the mind playing the game without any competitive sense can already become stressfull beeing a pro player in valorant must be pure hell:D
Valve has not abandoned cs. cs2 is on the way and it seems like it'll be here for the long haul. valve may not be transparent, but they still actively work on cs
I've played LoL intensively for the first few seasons and when I gave it a try recently I genuinely had no clue how to play the game anymore, it was completely different. When I tried Valorant I liked the gameplay but recognised it's going the way of LoL and went back to CS. I don't want to have to learn the game again every few updates.
Adding a new character will indeed change the meta, which mean that there will be a lot change for the older character, and this kind of situation already badly affect the fun factor of heroes based game like rainbow six siege and apex legend, honestly the best case scenario for heroes based game, is staying with the original roster of the game, and for the "live-service" side of the game, adding new map and new skins are already enough
Your content is actually amazing, I love how you revisited an older video to address how your opinions have changed over the time in-between. You have a snappy editing, a good script and captivating flow and it completely amazes me what a few months can do to drastically change your outlook on things.
only thing i hate about csgo is the elitism within the community. I swear everytime i see val vs. cs discourse, its always a cs player starting it. I understand they like cs but to say the community isnt toxic while they constantly put down other games for their egos sake is crazy ngl.
@eboyicecream1305 i think that the community is apart of the game. You can find many time where valorant player start arguments related to the two games lol
I tried watching the valorant tournament that was happening recently, and the ability spam is just horrible. It's unicorn vomit all over the screen. Like 10 different colored smoke clouds. I had no idea what was going on a lot of the time
@@winter4463 "It looks messy and confusing"... The game started making sense ever since I got out of gold. You are either brain-dead or got carried, or even worse, lying., there's no way asc player can't understand utils in game.....
For Valorant, the variety in abilities makes for very goofy, funny and creative site setups. Hitting the 5 man rush with Breach's stun and a Raze grenade is so satisfying. For CSGO, the gunplay and the movement mechanics are so crisp it feels super clean and smooth. The game is pretty straightforward with simpler utilities and gun control, so it is easier for beginners to get into the game and once they start getting better it's way more fun than Valorant. CSGO can get kind of stale over time tho, so I prefer playing both games from time to time to keep things fresh :D
Honestly, I'm fine with the random bullet spray sometimes, I just hate how you get crippled if you get shot once in valorant. It feels like the better aimer looses cause they can't move
i have never had your issue i always see my target the same time they see me maybe you just dont have good gamesense or there is just way too many things happening at once
Can´t denie that the buy/eco/request function aswell as the after death overview of recieved and given dmg is waaay much better in valorant. Like the overall in-game user interface badly needs a touch up in cs.
yeah, cs needs to take a page from this. do away with the outdated buy wheel system and more transparent ranks are a couple other things on my wish list. Fixing one ways with the new smokes and more visible tracers are great starts in CS2 and make it way more accessible to new players. Can't wait to see what else they do.
@@Tommo_ from what I heard CSGO was supposed to be a console port of CSS which is why it uses a buy wheel instead of list like in previous CS, so yeah they definitely need to change that
after taking a long break from csgo, then hearing about cs2 my opinion on valorant has shifted vastly. I used to clown on its abilities being to much to think about and the maps being to claustrophobic, but after getting back into the rhythm of a csgo type game I enjoy valorant a lot and can't wait for cs2. I think players of both games should be able to enjoy each game to a certain extent. You can't really hate on something you haven't really tried.
Thats true, I don't think cs players should hate valorant for no reason, I know cs players hate e daters but you can just mute them, you can deal with a toxic player on cs but why can't deal with e daters on valorant. As an ex-Cs player, i think cs communities are the worst, I have never seen valorant communities hate csgo, only cs communities hate valorant communities
@@Jeregolnumber9as a csgo player, most of us don’t necessarily hate valorant outside of like ftp non prime lobby’s. People make fun of it, but most people don’t bring it up. Csgo has a pretty chill community, and if you are toxic, the rest of the team just vote kicks you. I have a pretty high trust factor because of how long I’ve played, but I still never really ran into toxic people. Most teamkilling is just someone joking around, and after 2-3 teamkills, they get auto kicked anyway. The valorant community for the half hour I played it made fun of my lack of skins, my lack of skill, and my lack of understanding of the game outside of the operator and the vandal, even in a no ranked game. In csgo, provided that you aren’t playing ranked, the worst insults you will hear will be because of a whiffed shot. I personally have found the valorant community as a whole far more toxic and unwelcoming that thst of csgo’s.
When you brought up that example for abilities adding an expiration date on a game, siege was the perfect example. Nothing feels fresh in siege anymore and the vast array of abilities makes it harder and harder for new players to get involved. I've been playing Siege and CS GO about equally in the past month, but I think that CS is better. I am having more fun with Valorant right now, since it is more fresh and I am still learning all the agents. Also you are 100% right on skins. I hate all the cookie cutter samey Valorant skins.
I think the one most important thing to mention is that CSGO has the AWP which feels really good to play and you can even become an AWper and just mostly play that gun and scout. WHile in valorant the operator is kinda good but you can't peek with it at all in higher elo and it just feels weird scoping in.
the map design on val is also super restrictive (limited number of good op angles or positions you can fall away from) and the fact that you get tagged super hard makes it impossible to escape :_;
I've been playing csgo since like 2017 and always loved the game. When valorant came out I tried it and been playing it since then with friends. When cs2 announcement came, I went back to play csgo and been enjoying it a lot more, even ranking up from my ELO hell haha. After that, I thought to myself that going back to valorant would be a easy breeze but always got hs by players that relied heavily on their agents abilities. Nowadays I just play both equally but really love csgo for the most part
I think the gaming industry needs to change its direction. We want games like CSGO and Souls where they offer simple mechanics but hard to master. With new maps, you get a completely new game. Adding new heroes doesn't increase its longevity beside messing up with the game and robbing cash from players.
I like that video and the opinion you got. Keep up the good work. :) Honestly, the only thing that annoyed me about Valorant were the abilities, eventhough I wasn't really bad at it. I just knew that if i'm not using my abilities correct in some sort of way, i get screwed. And ouh boy, the damn market rotation... I used to wait so long for the Xenohunter Knife to appear in the market just to realise how boring it actually is compared to a CS:GO knife. I played CS:GO since it came out and still to this day, things like Operations and the whole Skin Market brings me back to play this game. I like Valorant don't get me wrong but it feels like there is nothing that keeps me want to play this game. Nowaday's I do play both games but i'm just really hyped about the CS2 release and new Operations.
Surprised he didn't talk about the movement. The movement in cs is one of my favorite things about it and something that isn't translated into val where everything feels so squishy and imprecise.
val has complex movement mechanics of it's own on certain heroes, with precision being a focus. It just isn't as csgo inspired since csgo doesn't have all that much to offer in terms of movement compared to tf2 or titanfall/apex type movement
@@domerame5913 the hero is apart of valorant no? It’s insane how little the csgo playerbase Can handle different view points, really shows the immaturity the community has reached
I have close playtimes on both games (more on cs), but i would still go for valorant bc the game is a little more polished ( by that i mean it has better technical things like the better tick rate. Yes you can have better tick rate on cs by playing face it, but the diffrent tick rates affect the line ups sometimes) and bc i feel its more aciveble. You can see how much you've got to rank up and the algorithm is much better in my opinion. In cs the ranking system can be weird sometimes bc i would have a good win streak with top frag and still not rank up. However cs is much enjoyable when you have palls that are playing for fun, and for the skin part, i would go for the valorant skins ONLY FOR THE LOOK (and i understant the patterns and floats). On cs i go for skins so i can investment in them. You can win a lot of money (for an example i lost worth 300 euros from a lot of number k agents. I sold them when they were 5 euros to purchase an ak 😢). But in conclusion i tend to enjoy valorant more, but cs is still a good game that i have grown up with, but for me it kinda got boring
After grinding cs for over a year to get to supreme, and dropping it for about 8 months, it truly is a shift in perspective. I played a ton of valorant way more often because I was enamored by the content and spin on the rigid gameplay of cs, but as I played it just kept getting more and more difficult to enjoy. I still play both games but whenever i return to cs after any kind of break at all, the immediate difference becomes apparent. Skill. Cs is so much more tactically heavy and mechanically taxing, compared to valorant which is partly luck and partly abilities. I used to grind through ranks of cs that i now struggle with just because the level required to maintain consistency in skill is so much higher than in valorant. You can watch valorant pro play and see the distinct difference in mechanics when it comes to gunplay and abilities.
CS is much simpler to understand than valorant and that's why I think the skill ceiling is higher. You got less things to worry about in CS so you become a lot better at doing these things rather than worrying about a new agent and new abilities every now and then. You master the basics of the game better
I feel like you should have talked about the guns more. TBH for the bit of time i tried valorant it felt like all the smgs were for people who didn't have enough credits to buy a rifle. theres no fun guns, only vandal. The best example is the phantom and classic pistols. The power difference between them is disgusting.
Found your channel recently and I made the transition from valorant to csgo about a month ago. Overall, I think most of your arguments are valid. The only thing I prefer valorant for is just the visibility and accessibility is much better for me purely due to the enemy highlights. I have moderate colorblindness so sometimes seeing enemies in games without highlights becomes quite difficult for me but having highlights in cs doesn't make sense in terms of artstyle. The general gameplay in CS is just better for me than valorant, though I haven't taken the time to learn many lineups and my utility usage in CS is just much worse than it is in valorant (that would go into how you say valorant's utility is much more important than gun skill). My perspective is mostly around the average player skill level for both games though so I'm not very good at either game. In valorant I peaked gold 1 and in cs I recently hit gold nova 1 so both are around the average skill levels. The core gameplay mechanics feel better in CS than Valorant for me, movement and shooting. I mostly just play enough valorant now that I don't lose track of what's being added into the game so whenever I want to play, I won't be completely overwhelmed. Rn I'm just in a burnout for comp shooter games so been on battlebit remastered lmao.
One big thing in valorant that I 100% do not think you addressed is that the game is imbalanced between agents to the point that pick rates are through the roof for some agents purely by riot tweaking them or nerfing others. There are certain guns and maps that only work well with certain agents even if you are playing the same type of agent. In a tac shooter that seems kinda questionable and not an organic evolution of meta
Its funny you bring up Siege, because I think the current meta according to the community is the best it's ever been being a solid balance of gunplay and util. Abilities haven't been much of a crutch since 2021.
the thing with skins is that csgo skins have more detail because its simply a more detailed game, the good thing about valorant is the animations. some knifes have some unique animations but nothing more nothing else
People don't realize that basic aiming and mechanical skills will still form a core of team strategies. I've seen Val people on Reddit belittle CS for having somehow "limited" tactical options for only having 4 utilities (smoke, flash, molly, HE). But Valorant ended up inevitably facing the power creep problem of newer, overpowered heroes (agents) constantly undoing any established metas-and it comes down ironically into spamming abilities and deciding the rest with simple gunfights.
The thing is some people hated Valorant the same reason they hated Counter-Strike Online (Nexon: Zombies / Studio) yet they transitioned to it which boggles my mind completely
Been playing CS since 2013 and tried out Valorant for about a month. At first the gun play seemed way easier but I think that was down to the fact that the people I played against were bad. Towards the end I just got sick of losing because of abilities. It was early days for Valorant but I also found that there was very little team coordination. More like a 5v5 Deathmatch with the option of planting the spike. Ik in CS you don't HAVE to plant the bomb but even still generally the team will work together to win the round.
yeah this was me at first too. i placed gold at first and it was a point and click adventure. but going into dia lobbies now when im playing against people that know how to use util properly i cant get anything done lol. to learn how to counter it i'd need to play the game more but i just dont have time for it, im too busy playing cs :P
Your channel is one of the rare cases where I come from TikTok and actually end up subscribing and enjoying your videos. That should be a big pointer to how good your content is! Keep it up!
Even with the clusterfucked ablities I tried to enjoy playing valorant, what broke the deal completely was the fact that guns have RNG recoil, so the majority of the time overwhelming the enemy with abilties and being able to click on head is all it takes to win a round. I still like the vibe of valorant so I occasionally come back to it but I find myself having smaller and smaller periods of playing it.
@@runek100 dude I literally have better luck with sheriff and marshall than when I full buy, either because I play more carefully or because better mechanics like you said
@@laranjanegociadora9877 Man what.. I'm talking about recoil where did you get running and gunning from? I have 1700 hours on CS, It's natural for me to stand still when shooting, but the recoil system in valorant is literal RNG and it makes it not fun.
With competitive titles my opinion is that the skill floor should be as low as possible with the ceiling being as high as possible. Valorant absolutely doesn't have a low skill floor. Having to memorize every single ability in the game and how it functions just to play into them is miserable to start off with. The gunplay is a highly technical skill to begin with just as in CS, but as you said you can be the best shooter in the entire game and still get killed by an ability from a Silver player. I started with valorant and had a few dozen hours into it before starting to play CS2, and the difference is crazy. CS's simplicity makes it far more engaging as I wasn't miserable trying to slog through my first few hours
why not both? The truth is they are wonderful games, both with their good and bad things, there are days that I like one more than the other and it's ok
@@Striker-xx5cu real, half the comments on this vid are cs players starting an argument. (btw remember guys they are different games . i will have fun playing val u have fun playing cs simple)
I think from a spectator standpoint CS is a lot easier to watch on the e-sports side as well. Its very straight forward and you can actually keep track of what going on without knowing all the different agents. As someone who can't play every day, I think that more simplistic games are easier to jump in and out of. You don't have to play catch-up on 8 characters being added and everyones abilities being reworked.
I just want Valorant and csgo to be like Dota an league, where the community just accepts that there are some things different than the other game and that neither is better than the other.
Valorant cringe community made it unbearable and how they punish people for tilting. Since valorant also has huge girl gamers percentage compared to csgo it made those simps and discord users hop in and made it less fun with the boosting issue and smurfing to cater and aid some none deserving of those ranks.
While the abilities in valorant can be overwhelming to new players, once you learn how to play around them for your advantage the game becomes very much like csgo. It might look like wizard shit, but in reality a majority of abilities are just the grenades you can buy in csgo. Like a third of the characters come with smoke grenades, Molly's, and flash bangs. Even one of the more crazy abilities like teleporting is nuanced, most of the time it is used to get in an advantageous position. In most of the games i play, only a couple of people die to abilities and that is usually because of negligence. As a big valorant fan, i tried cs2 and gunfights where the only thing i was good at. For the most part abilities set you up to take favorable fights. Instead of a 50/50 aim duel, I can molly their cover so they have to peek into me, making it more of a 60/40. I can explain any ability to you and tell you how it can be used to outplay an opponent.
Every few months I want to give a chance to Valorant. But I simply just can't. Why? Because there are so many changes that if I am not playing it almost every month, I am gonna miss some new agents and it will take me some matches to understand what's happening. In CS, it is just simple. Don't touch the game for like a decade, come back and you'll still understand what's happening. I've said that Valorant is not gonna be a huge thin for me from the beginning, and I was right.
It is not that drastic lol, valorant is easy game and all those new things are just variants of existing things. You can just carry with pure mechanical skills
i like both counter strike and valorant but i feel like this video was made to appeal the counter strike audience as that's who was giving him the most flack on his previous video
I love that these old engines especially the source engine has so many secrets. Like u can find so many things. That’s why Gmod and CSGO are goated games
After almost 1500 hours of Csgo, I actually tried valorant and loved it. Most of the games I've been in have been chill, but my elo isn't that high so maybe I've missed it. I still love CSGO, and valorant isn't perfect, but the abilities was a nice switch up to the formula for me. It is definitely a casual game for me, mostly to play with a group, so I don't think I'll ever take it as serious as CSGO. But as a break from counter strike, I don't mind it so much. The monetization tho and the grind for characters is definitely a negative imo
I actually loved valorant at the beginning, adding new things every 2 months literally killed the game for me, instead of it being innovating they just help to highlight the inherent flaws the game has.
I came from valorant and actually, pretty decent at it. I'm (diamond rank) but I'm loving CS more RN. i was "forced" to play it with my friends at first cause they were hype for CS2 and practically "begged" me to install it. (thinking i can carry them) And I'm so happy that i gave it a shot. Everything feels natural in CS, the feel of the gun, the movement mechanics, utilities,map design and the economy of each round. I feel really at home in CS. I often complain about how BS some agents abilities work in valo. But in cs everything you excecute is from skill. And one thing i absolutely love about cs is the short match option in rank.
I’m really glad I’m not the only one and the same boat. Played CSS and was in early on CSGO. played for years. Loved the game and getting better and one day adult life took over and I just stopped playing games. Time went by and Valorant came out and I passed on it for a bit but 6-8 months after it came out I gave it a shot. I could t meet the old standard I had in CSGO so a fresh start seemed easier. It was cool for a bit and I loved the feeling of starting CS but colorful but it never “scratched the itch” like you said. I had fun and played but it never got me excited or hooked like CS. CS2 is out now and I jumped back in with my 10 year coin looking like I just learned how to play on MnK but god I’m having so much fun. CS gun play and skill curve is just so much more of an addiction
I should have a good trust factor in csgo but due to some things I got kicked out of like 5 games and reported a lot (wasnt hacking, made a taco bell joke)
The only thing I would really give massive props to Valorant is Riot making a storyline out of the game. It gives the maps you play on a little bit more of a personality than just a battlefield you're shooting eachother at. I wish Valve would expand more on the storyline aspect of CS:GO as I feel it's very neglected but has massive potential. Sure, past operation missions had a storyline in them and Danger Zone missions were very fun, but in the last operation no more bits were added to the story.
Why does it have to be “which is better?”, anyone who’s played VALORANT for any decent amount of time knows that they’re only similar on the surface level. You can always play both.
As a player who played counter strike (1.6 and csgo) i was so hype for Valorant. I played Valorant since beta, and was fun and different, but after trying to go competitive, the fun part ends. Was too distracting for me the fact that gun skins have different sounds, trace etc. The fact that if i want to play a champion it will force me to have a different set of utility (so i always must to think what i want, flash, smoke, crazy things like traps and drones). Another pissing thing to me was elo sistem in valorant (i always played full premade) so, if you play a support charachter, with an average score you will get more elo. (One of our friends was playing only Sage but never make kills/impact to game, he just hide whole match to heal our carry, and somehow he reach platinum before everyone else). And last but not least, Reyna. For a fried brain csgo player, a charahter that flash trought walls, heals herself/made herself invincible.... Was over. So i stopped playing Valorant. (I tryed like 6 months ago but i couldn't understand why there are dogs, parrots, clones, tureets, different color walls... I was scared of everything to not die random)
Best thing about CS is, everybody has the same arsenal. What differenciates you from another player isn't that his operator is broken, it's how good you are.
I agree with this 100%. In addition, so many people that play Valorant, including me a year ago, get so many reps on one character/class of character that it completely defines how you play and think about the game. Because there's no defined roles in lower elo CS games, it allows you to play and learn a lot of different roles depending where you spawn/the situation you're in/the money you have.
I started to play CS in the early 2000s with 1.6 and remember that the scenes were pretty seperated back then and split up into small, local communities on dedicated servers of people who you would meet regularly and who spoke your language on servers where they went for casual gameplay and then fill up teams to search for opponents in IRC. I became really good in 1.6 and later in Source and so those people would add me in Steam and ask me to play with them all the time. (Because winning feels better) I really liked Source because it felt like a mixture of 1.6 and COD. (I also played the first COD parts online a lot) Source was a more casual, run and gun like playstyle in which pure reflexes were the most important skill. When Global Elite was released I was kinda disappointed and bored by it first. I remember that there was no ranking system and not much mods available yet. And the gunplay with far more recoil than in source ... I didn't like it first. So I returned to Source because I had a big server pool with deathmatch, deagle only, minigames, bhop, surfing, ... and last but not least pool servers (literally) to choose from where I met people who I knew and who spoke my language. In CS:GO it was like playing the same 3-4 boring game modes with random English speaking people for the first year again and again. When Global Offense released its ranking system I got pulled back to the game, though. I was ranked into Silver 2 first. (so much about feeling to be good in the game) I really wanted to reach The Global Elite! It became my main motivation in the years 2014-2017 in which I slowly but steadily climbed up the ladder, trained my aim 15-30 minutes everyday before going into actual ranked games, watched pros and tried to implement their playstyles to become better, learned a lot of strategies, smoke, flashbang and moly lineups, ... until I finally reached The Global Elite in 2017. Unfortunatelly the game was filled with Eastern European cheaters by that time so that you would encounter them on a daily basis. So I lost interest and later that year when PUBG was released I switched to it completelly. But as you might know PUBG slowly dyed after its big hype in 2017-18 and so I was looking for an alternative but nothing really interested me until Valorant was released in 2020. Until now Valorant is my main game since I joined the beta in early 2020. What I love about this game is that it's less hardcore than CS:GO (reminds me of CS Source in some way) and that I NEVER encountered any cheater in ranked games so far. (I peaked Immortal in season 3 and usually play in Diamond-Immortal lobbies)
One thing that makes csgo skins FAR superior is that each one is different. Not only is each one different, but once you own a skin you can personalize it with stickers however you wish. You own the skin, it's completely unique and you can customize it to your own liking. I understand that a valorant player might not understand this, but you feel so much more connection with your skin, it feels like it is truly yours.... which it is because you can also sell it....
valorant has the new kids, csgo has the racist kids. i think we all know who is superior... just like we know wich race is am i right jokes aside its simply two different communities, valorant feel like tiktok and csgo like 4chan
I mean you say that, but running into turkish 5stacks in Valorant that keeps spamming that they're going to kill my mom sure is great. I've generally had a worse experience playing Valorant than CSGO in regards to toxicity, but then again I do have very good trust factor in CS so I rarely get fucked lobbies.
The valorant skins not having a market place has always been a weird hill to die on. There are so many free to play, cosmetic driven games that don't have market places either and yet that's the model the game chose to go with. I can't understand how we are only comparing 1 game to another 1 game due to gameplay genre of its cosmetics. You can just say CSGO skin market is vastly superior to any other cosmetic, but then that's not really a fair argument for every developer...
@@Jeregolnumber9 @Alberto Altahona I'm not getting it mixed up. I'm asking why the market of skins discussion in both games is only limited to these 2 games. Instead of seeing they are Free-to-play just like many other games that have purely cosmetic choices. They might not be FPS games, but they still are certainly FTP just as much
when you think about it csgo is way harder than valorant. i only started playing valorant only a year ago its just simple and you can learn to play it one to two days.
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Bro, you left out warOwl????
Imagine playing chess but they add a new piece and expand the board every 3 months... you can drop a csgo player from 2014 into cs2 and they would still know how to play. Even a cs 1.6 player would understand it as fundamentally the same game.
Thats why chess is boring imo
Even people who never play cs will understand what happen on the screen. Gun shoot, molotov burn, grenade explode. That may take like 5 minutes to explain. Good luck with magical animal, black hole and more 80+ abilities (some just the same thing but in different color)
@@alb1reo You don't have to add new things to the gameplay every couple of months to make it enjoyable.
@@DuyNguyen-sg7pwTrue, sometimes less is more
@@alb1reo bro youve got tiktok and fortnite syndrome
CS is one of the few games that is still popular and comes from the golden age of gaming. The game mechanics, vote kick, teamkilling, the people who play. It’s very reminiscent of 2000’s gaming that doesn’t exist anymore.
And almost all the maps are the same ever since too
And this is fucking great. After stopping playing CS and trying different games, the only game I ended up satisfied with is Rocket League.
@@mearbye tried tf2?
i still dont get it why would you try vote kick somebody, its always better to play 5V5 instead 4V5
@@hishamaru there could be cheaters, griefers, or just toxic people so we kick them
The problem with valorant for me being a csgo player is playing while trying to understand what all those abilities do
i feel like im stuck in a wizard battlefield.
cs is simple and grounded on reality, you already know what most grenades already do. you don't have to figure out why there is a dog running across the map and shit
lemme add that not having abilities leads to more options in cs.. only having certain teammates being able to use a flash grenade or a smoke grenade is a terrible design choice.
@@descree7 im not talking about life like realism. it is still a videogame but the guns and grenade are from the real world.
I don't care if you want to live in anime egirl world if that makes you happy, soyboy
@@descree7 no one claims cs is a combat simulator
@@descree7 if you want an warfare simulator, then you've gotten to the wrong place, mate. Though what that dude claimed is understandable, and compared with Valorant, CS is on a more realistic approach in some aspects.
@@descree7 i think you've greatly misunderstood the comment. Cs has an aesthetic that compares itself to real life while valorant's aesthetic is cartoonish and focused on sci-fi. Both of them have great design choices btw.
Toxicity? That's what makes CSGO, CSGO
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toxicity in our ct, in our ct
@@bencebaranyi4120 you, what do you own, the world?
I think a good analogy for CS:GO vs. Valorant gameplay is a blank canvas vs. a finished painting: One has more to offer at face value, but has already been made, the other one seems blank in comparison, but the less you tell some one, the more blanks they can fill in at their heart's desire.
I remember when Valorant came out, most of the pals I play CSGO with made the jump and co-opted me to try the game. I played a bit, realized it wasn't for me and left.
Also, I know plenty of people who play CSGO that don't really "play" CSGO, as in they don't play the main modes or matchmaking, they play alt modes or things like surf, kz, bhop, zombie escape, etc and they won't find any of that in Valorant
Dude I totally forgot to talk about the other modes in cs
@@goldecc A video on this would be fun
@@goldecc now, this sounds like an idea for a whole video.
Also. There's a lot of people who only "play" for the skin/skin community and because of the technical aspects of the source engine(3kliks).
@@TheBloopers30 Yeah even trading alone has so many players addicted to the little gambling that is still left. I miss sites that’s used to promote playing a comp match on custom servers for guaranteed skins back in like 2015 or so.
The best thing about skins and CS in general is how much the community is actually involved in the game. Since the early CS betas the community played the biggest role in the game's shaping up meta, maps, skins etc..
For example, de_Mirage
@@batsy_1939 every map that was made during CS's betas was community made and featured officially in the game just like how workshop maps get featured every now and then in GO
Nuke, Inferno, Dust, Vertigo. All of those maps started as community projects that were officially accepted and cemented themselves in the history of the game
CS itself is a community made game.
Also, every skin is community made
@@CS_Uravity_PRO And there's maps that were fully made by Valve for CS:GO, such as Overpass and Canals
I have the same issue with most hero-based multiplayer games. If you are deep in the game's ecosystem and play it regularly, you're chilling. However, if you take a break for a couple weeks or longer, you could come back and the game is completely changed and you have to re-learn a lot. I played overwatch for a solid year and after I stopped it was basically impossible to consistently pick the game back up because once they've added 2+ heroes since the last time I played it's a nightmare.
I can go months without playing csgo and I'll come back and I can get back into clicking heads and playing the same game. Tbh cod does this even better, I can skip entire cod game releases and come back years later and still figure things out in the new game pretty quickly.
Unless the hero based multiplayer game is Team Fortress 2, hasn't changed in a long while.
Call me old school. But I do not like games with heroes. I don't have the time to learn which hero does what. That's why games like CS, BF, and UT are/were so great. No bullshit heroes. Just clean and simple game play.
@@simplysmiley4670 Yeah, most games these days keep adding heroes to keep up the hype surrounding their game. But I feel like that always causes a power creep also the heroes are always OP when they release to get people to buy them.
Honestly the same is somewhat true with CS:GO, but where nothing really change other than the meta (aka players learning new stuff), but that meta change can really fuck with one as an old player after a break. Having reinvent how you play almost everything when suddenly everyone knows how to counter you can suck quite a bit. With that said, you also sometimes experience the opposite where an old way of playing suddenly work wonders because the enemies you have didn't live through that meta and have no clue how to counter it.
I mean i started playing Valorant since
-Most my friends play it and i cant find people to play with in CS:GO
-CS became boring over time.
-But i will return once CS2 comes out and hopefully i can run it decently.
I honestly think it just depends on how into the genre you are.
I had never gotten into any high accuracy FPS games and started with Valorant, I had played CS a couple times and the player base was much higher skill level. Valorant offered an easier opening into the scene and is a more casual and laid back version of CS.
I'm getting into CS now and trying my best, but I have to keep up with a very intense community while I play pretty casually.
Its a lot more fun for me to hop into a Val lobby and go 23-10 rather than a CS match where I bomb for my team because of the intense skill gap.
CS is an awesome game, just takes a lot more commitment and practice to get into it properly. I'm on my way there though :)
Something important to mention is that valorant is a lot more slow paced than csgo. A lot of times a simple b rush in csgo doesnt work in valorant since we have like 10 mollies, 10 flashes, 5 stuns, and like two pulls. Overall valorant rounds tend to be more baiting out abilities and stuff.
Bro had the biggest character development of all time in just 3 months of cs
Watchu1 mean, bro got hated so hard he had to "change" opinions trash video
After putting plenty of hours into both games, I couldn't agree more. One thing I think that's worth mentioning is the meta that comes along with having heroes with different abilities. I don't want to play a game where I am at a inherent disadvantage because I didn't pick a top tier hero. I like it when everyone is on an equal playing field and has access to the same equipment.
I mean it doesn't really work like that but i get you. Just don't let the internet pick what you play. For example people say LOL is for obese discord mods, well that will stop you from paying that game right? No don't do that do what you like (i am not telling you to play lol for 10 hours a day)
@@batsy_1939 ok but league is exactly what he said he hates. in league you can master a playstyle with a few champs and climb really high only for riot to decide that next patch your champions will be 45% wr L tier and you can play 10x better than the enemy players but still lose just off the fact that they're playing meta champions and you are not. How fun can the game be when arguably the best mechanical player in the world (beifeng) goes from solo killing 2k lp chinese super server midlaners lvl 3-4 to using tp first strike dshield resolve and hugging his turret for 20 minutes hoping his team wins.
??? huh???? yea just stay to csgo lmaooooooooo
@@marinmesaric6213 yeah but league is a moba, metas change constantly and are inherent to the genre
@@HOODPARANOIA and valorant is kinda a mix of fps and moba
which is rly taxing for the mind
playing the game without any competitive sense can already become stressfull
beeing a pro player in valorant must be pure hell:D
I just love the fact that Counter Strike has competition now, giving it less chances to be abandoned by Valve.
Yeah it is bilion dollar market. If there was not valorant, it would have be abandoned.
@@runek100 i'm pretty certain it was fine before and after valorant. All you have to do is look at the data.
@@wobblewarfare4494 obviously
Valve has not abandoned cs. cs2 is on the way and it seems like it'll be here for the long haul. valve may not be transparent, but they still actively work on cs
yea Valve leaving a game that generates yearly billions of dollars bc of gambling. The game needs competition?, in what world
I've played LoL intensively for the first few seasons and when I gave it a try recently I genuinely had no clue how to play the game anymore, it was completely different.
When I tried Valorant I liked the gameplay but recognised it's going the way of LoL and went back to CS. I don't want to have to learn the game again every few updates.
Adding a new character will indeed change the meta, which mean that there will be a lot change for the older character, and this kind of situation already badly affect the fun factor of heroes based game like rainbow six siege and apex legend, honestly the best case scenario for heroes based game, is staying with the original roster of the game, and for the "live-service" side of the game, adding new map and new skins are already enough
Your content is actually amazing, I love how you revisited an older video to address how your opinions have changed over the time in-between. You have a snappy editing, a good script and captivating flow and it completely amazes me what a few months can do to drastically change your outlook on things.
glad bro changed his mind, and saw how csgo is just actually good
bro changed his mind cause he got flamed, what a pushover
Am i like the only person who enjoys both games?
@Lordツ゚☕ :(
@@Nixias_ so we are actually 3 people now who enjoy both games
@@semmelx3 me
only thing i hate about csgo is the elitism within the community. I swear everytime i see val vs. cs discourse, its always a cs player starting it. I understand they like cs but to say the community isnt toxic while they constantly put down other games for their egos sake is crazy ngl.
i know this is 1 year old but this comment contradicts itself
@@TOMMYWINK how so? im not putting down cs im calling out the comm
@eboyicecream1305 "thing I hate about csgo".
@@TOMMYWINK and then i proceed to complain about the community and not the game itself ??? yes i worded it badly but you know exactly what i meant.
@eboyicecream1305 i think that the community is apart of the game. You can find many time where valorant player start arguments related to the two games lol
I tried watching the valorant tournament that was happening recently, and the ability spam is just horrible. It's unicorn vomit all over the screen. Like 10 different colored smoke clouds. I had no idea what was going on a lot of the time
Its too big brain for csgo nerds to understand. Maybe watch some analysis video to better understand
@@thegodkira3953 its acc a lot easier to understand than cs lol, at least imo. valorant just looks messy so it can look confusing
@@winter4463yeah messy bcoz you don't get it....
@@snehajain4334 peak rank asc 3 i understand the game perfectly well and at a fairly decent level, buddy.
@@winter4463 "It looks messy and confusing"...
The game started making sense ever since I got out of gold.
You are either brain-dead or got carried, or even worse, lying., there's no way asc player can't understand utils in game.....
For Valorant, the variety in abilities makes for very goofy, funny and creative site setups. Hitting the 5 man rush with Breach's stun and a Raze grenade is so satisfying. For CSGO, the gunplay and the movement mechanics are so crisp it feels super clean and smooth. The game is pretty straightforward with simpler utilities and gun control, so it is easier for beginners to get into the game and once they start getting better it's way more fun than Valorant. CSGO can get kind of stale over time tho, so I prefer playing both games from time to time to keep things fresh :D
Same. I enjoy both games sadly can't play csgo due to a screen issue that even my friend and I couldn't fix
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@@phenny1057 What is the screen doing?
utility is way easier in valorant tho?
@@rouk2621 yeah for me that was the problem
Honestly, I'm fine with the random bullet spray sometimes, I just hate how you get crippled if you get shot once in valorant. It feels like the better aimer looses cause they can't move
rip jiggling for info or escaping any gunfight ever
i have never had your issue i always see my target the same time they see me maybe you just dont have good gamesense or there is just way too many things happening at once
Can´t denie that the buy/eco/request function aswell as the after death overview of recieved and given dmg is waaay much better in valorant. Like the overall in-game user interface badly needs a touch up in cs.
yeah, cs needs to take a page from this. do away with the outdated buy wheel system and more transparent ranks are a couple other things on my wish list. Fixing one ways with the new smokes and more visible tracers are great starts in CS2 and make it way more accessible to new players. Can't wait to see what else they do.
@@Tommo_ from what I heard CSGO was supposed to be a console port of CSS which is why it uses a buy wheel instead of list like in previous CS, so yeah they definitely need to change that
@@zelarketgame2211 that is indeed partly true, it was originally supposed to be a console version of CS. But the pc version quickly took priority
@@Tommo_ nah the buy wheel is great they should keep it
@@eksdee7377 what if they had an option to choose between the buy wheel and a chart-like buy menu?
7:18 LMFAO, BRO'S SOUL LEFT HIS BODY
after taking a long break from csgo, then hearing about cs2 my opinion on valorant has shifted vastly. I used to clown on its abilities being to much to think about and the maps being to claustrophobic, but after getting back into the rhythm of a csgo type game I enjoy valorant a lot and can't wait for cs2. I think players of both games should be able to enjoy each game to a certain extent. You can't really hate on something you haven't really tried.
Thats true, I don't think cs players should hate valorant for no reason, I know cs players hate e daters but you can just mute them, you can deal with a toxic player on cs but why can't deal with e daters on valorant. As an ex-Cs player, i think cs communities are the worst, I have never seen valorant communities hate csgo, only cs communities hate valorant communities
bro i agree, i like both but just like val a bit more but the whole val vs cs thing is cringe
I’m ngl I love cs and hate val, the abilities just aren’t for me, I enjoyed it when it came out, but current val just really isn’t great
@@Bruhsithevestso basically you are a person who likes simple gunplay that does not involve skillful abilities
@@Jeregolnumber9as a csgo player, most of us don’t necessarily hate valorant outside of like ftp non prime lobby’s. People make fun of it, but most people don’t bring it up. Csgo has a pretty chill community, and if you are toxic, the rest of the team just vote kicks you. I have a pretty high trust factor because of how long I’ve played, but I still never really ran into toxic people. Most teamkilling is just someone joking around, and after 2-3 teamkills, they get auto kicked anyway. The valorant community for the half hour I played it made fun of my lack of skins, my lack of skill, and my lack of understanding of the game outside of the operator and the vandal, even in a no ranked game. In csgo, provided that you aren’t playing ranked, the worst insults you will hear will be because of a whiffed shot. I personally have found the valorant community as a whole far more toxic and unwelcoming that thst of csgo’s.
Love how passionate ohnepixel is about valorant lmao, whether you agree with him or not its hilarious to watch.
When you brought up that example for abilities adding an expiration date on a game, siege was the perfect example. Nothing feels fresh in siege anymore and the vast array of abilities makes it harder and harder for new players to get involved. I've been playing Siege and CS GO about equally in the past month, but I think that CS is better. I am having more fun with Valorant right now, since it is more fresh and I am still learning all the agents. Also you are 100% right on skins. I hate all the cookie cutter samey Valorant skins.
I’m glad you recovered from your sickness.
You enjoying cs2 ? 😂😂😂😂😂 have fun playing with 9 cheaters 😂😂😂😂
@@yuurrrrrrrr1 Valorant and Csgo are the serious versions of tf2 and overwatch change my mind
@@yuurrrrrrrr1 genuinely would rather play in a lobby of cheaters than interact with a Valorant lobby for more than 35 seconds
when u have prime u only encounter 1 or two in a game
on average @@yuurrrrrrrr1
Man, why can't Valorant and CSGO communities be like Terraria and Minecraft communities?
I think the one most important thing to mention is that CSGO has the AWP which feels really good to play and you can even become an AWper and just mostly play that gun and scout. WHile in valorant the operator is kinda good but you can't peek with it at all in higher elo and it just feels weird scoping in.
In valo OP only good for defense
the map design on val is also super restrictive (limited number of good op angles or positions you can fall away from) and the fact that you get tagged super hard makes it impossible to escape :_;
@@Tommo_the philosophy is different, but there are maps that have multiple angles, icebox if i remember correctly
I've been playing csgo since like 2017 and always loved the game. When valorant came out I tried it and been playing it since then with friends. When cs2 announcement came, I went back to play csgo and been enjoying it a lot more, even ranking up from my ELO hell haha. After that, I thought to myself that going back to valorant would be a easy breeze but always got hs by players that relied heavily on their agents abilities. Nowadays I just play both equally but really love csgo for the most part
I absolutely adore your content and editing style and every new upload brings a massive smile to my face
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It will go same way TF2 vs Overwatch did. And we all know who won
The whole hate thing between csgo and valorant happened because Riot decided to bring League players to the shooter community.
I think the gaming industry needs to change its direction. We want games like CSGO and Souls where they offer simple mechanics but hard to master. With new maps, you get a completely new game. Adding new heroes doesn't increase its longevity beside messing up with the game and robbing cash from players.
Something I’ve noticed from playing both valorant and CSGO is valorant plays also tend to like CSGO but csgo players HATE valorant
I like that video and the opinion you got. Keep up the good work. :) Honestly, the only thing that annoyed me about Valorant were the abilities, eventhough I wasn't really bad at it. I just knew that if i'm not using my abilities correct in some sort of way, i get screwed. And ouh boy, the damn market rotation... I used to wait so long for the Xenohunter Knife to appear in the market just to realise how boring it actually is compared to a CS:GO knife. I played CS:GO since it came out and still to this day, things like Operations and the whole Skin Market brings me back to play this game. I like Valorant don't get me wrong but it feels like there is nothing that keeps me want to play this game. Nowaday's I do play both games but i'm just really hyped about the CS2 release and new Operations.
Surprised he didn't talk about the movement. The movement in cs is one of my favorite things about it and something that isn't translated into val where everything feels so squishy and imprecise.
val has complex movement mechanics of it's own on certain heroes, with precision being a focus. It just isn't as csgo inspired since csgo doesn't have all that much to offer in terms of movement compared to tf2 or titanfall/apex type movement
@@Rokusu clueless take 😂
@@uresfffff222 i’ve played cs for 7k hours lol cope
@@Rokusu valorant doesn't have good movement, the hero does like you just said. also noone cares about your hours, post faceit or irrelevant opinion
@@domerame5913 the hero is apart of valorant no? It’s insane how little the csgo playerbase Can handle different view points, really shows the immaturity the community has reached
I have close playtimes on both games (more on cs), but i would still go for valorant bc the game is a little more polished ( by that i mean it has better technical things like the better tick rate. Yes you can have better tick rate on cs by playing face it, but the diffrent tick rates affect the line ups sometimes) and bc i feel its more aciveble. You can see how much you've got to rank up and the algorithm is much better in my opinion. In cs the ranking system can be weird sometimes bc i would have a good win streak with top frag and still not rank up. However cs is much enjoyable when you have palls that are playing for fun, and for the skin part, i would go for the valorant skins ONLY FOR THE LOOK (and i understant the patterns and floats). On cs i go for skins so i can investment in them. You can win a lot of money (for an example i lost worth 300 euros from a lot of number k agents. I sold them when they were 5 euros to purchase an ak 😢). But in conclusion i tend to enjoy valorant more, but cs is still a good game that i have grown up with, but for me it kinda got boring
Your content is absolutely amazing, from the small details like the funny cats to the top tier editing. Keep it up!
finnaly he said why he got vac banned
Yeah I don’t know why I never said it before. I guess it just seemed like such a stupid and underwhelming reason why
NAAAAH THIS ONE ALMOST MADE ME DIE FROM LAUGHING I SWEAR
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After grinding cs for over a year to get to supreme, and dropping it for about 8 months, it truly is a shift in perspective. I played a ton of valorant way more often because I was enamored by the content and spin on the rigid gameplay of cs, but as I played it just kept getting more and more difficult to enjoy. I still play both games but whenever i return to cs after any kind of break at all, the immediate difference becomes apparent. Skill. Cs is so much more tactically heavy and mechanically taxing, compared to valorant which is partly luck and partly abilities. I used to grind through ranks of cs that i now struggle with just because the level required to maintain consistency in skill is so much higher than in valorant. You can watch valorant pro play and see the distinct difference in mechanics when it comes to gunplay and abilities.
What gunplay ? 😂😂😂😂 2 tapping and waiting to get traded is not gunplay
CS is much simpler to understand than valorant and that's why I think the skill ceiling is higher. You got less things to worry about in CS so you become a lot better at doing these things rather than worrying about a new agent and new abilities every now and then. You master the basics of the game better
learning smoke lineups and shit is just as lame as agent abilities imo
homie got cooked and did the biggest backtrack of the century
Love your videos man, very well made, not over edited and being calm.
I feel like you should have talked about the guns more. TBH for the bit of time i tried valorant it felt like all the smgs were for people who didn't have enough credits to buy a rifle. theres no fun guns, only vandal. The best example is the phantom and classic pistols. The power difference between them is disgusting.
Found your channel recently and I made the transition from valorant to csgo about a month ago. Overall, I think most of your arguments are valid. The only thing I prefer valorant for is just the visibility and accessibility is much better for me purely due to the enemy highlights. I have moderate colorblindness so sometimes seeing enemies in games without highlights becomes quite difficult for me but having highlights in cs doesn't make sense in terms of artstyle. The general gameplay in CS is just better for me than valorant, though I haven't taken the time to learn many lineups and my utility usage in CS is just much worse than it is in valorant (that would go into how you say valorant's utility is much more important than gun skill). My perspective is mostly around the average player skill level for both games though so I'm not very good at either game. In valorant I peaked gold 1 and in cs I recently hit gold nova 1 so both are around the average skill levels. The core gameplay mechanics feel better in CS than Valorant for me, movement and shooting. I mostly just play enough valorant now that I don't lose track of what's being added into the game so whenever I want to play, I won't be completely overwhelmed. Rn I'm just in a burnout for comp shooter games so been on battlebit remastered lmao.
One big thing in valorant that I 100% do not think you addressed is that the game is imbalanced between agents to the point that pick rates are through the roof for some agents purely by riot tweaking them or nerfing others. There are certain guns and maps that only work well with certain agents even if you are playing the same type of agent. In a tac shooter that seems kinda questionable and not an organic evolution of meta
much better video man
congrats, keep it up with the good work!
Its funny you bring up Siege, because I think the current meta according to the community is the best it's ever been being a solid balance of gunplay and util. Abilities haven't been much of a crutch since 2021.
the thing with skins is that csgo skins have more detail because its simply a more detailed game, the good thing about valorant is the animations. some knifes have some unique animations but nothing more nothing else
yo i saw this from ohnepixal reacting to it.
just wanted to say that your voice with the edit style is top tier. good work 🤍
People don't realize that basic aiming and mechanical skills will still form a core of team strategies. I've seen Val people on Reddit belittle CS for having somehow "limited" tactical options for only having 4 utilities (smoke, flash, molly, HE). But Valorant ended up inevitably facing the power creep problem of newer, overpowered heroes (agents) constantly undoing any established metas-and it comes down ironically into spamming abilities and deciding the rest with simple gunfights.
Exactly lol. *press E to instantly flash the entire site*
Vs
Having the skill and knowledge to line up a flash.
Personally, I play both. They’re both really good and similar games and I like playing both
The thing is some people hated Valorant the same reason they hated Counter-Strike Online (Nexon: Zombies / Studio) yet they transitioned to it which boggles my mind completely
Been playing CS since 2013 and tried out Valorant for about a month. At first the gun play seemed way easier but I think that was down to the fact that the people I played against were bad. Towards the end I just got sick of losing because of abilities.
It was early days for Valorant but I also found that there was very little team coordination. More like a 5v5 Deathmatch with the option of planting the spike. Ik in CS you don't HAVE to plant the bomb but even still generally the team will work together to win the round.
yeah this was me at first too. i placed gold at first and it was a point and click adventure. but going into dia lobbies now when im playing against people that know how to use util properly i cant get anything done lol. to learn how to counter it i'd need to play the game more but i just dont have time for it, im too busy playing cs :P
I have found a good balance between cs and valorant and i go back and forth between them when i feel burnt on either.
That’s how I was for a bit now i got the cs fever
bro got overwhelmed by valo abilities and decided to make an apology video wtf lmaoo 😭😭
No he decided to speak the one and only truth
Love the content man the first time I saw it in your TF2 lore vid amazing keep it up buddy
100% agreed. I don’t like Valorant just because of abilities and random spray patterns. CS is simple and effective. Can’t wait for CS2!
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Even with the clusterfucked ablities I tried to enjoy playing valorant, what broke the deal completely was the fact that guns have RNG recoil, so the majority of the time overwhelming the enemy with abilties and being able to click on head is all it takes to win a round.
I still like the vibe of valorant so I occasionally come back to it but I find myself having smaller and smaller periods of playing it.
Just admit you run and spray then gets mad cause it didnt work lol
Thats why I play just marshall and sheriff. Valorant players have so poor mechanical skills, that you can easily play with just that.
@@runek100 dude I literally have better luck with sheriff and marshall than when I full buy, either because I play more carefully or because better mechanics like you said
@@laranjanegociadora9877 Man what.. I'm talking about recoil where did you get running and gunning from? I have 1700 hours on CS, It's natural for me to stand still when shooting, but the recoil system in valorant is literal RNG and it makes it not fun.
@@megafro6999 no cap sheriff has better first bullet accuracy than vandal.
CS skins can make you a millionare while Valorant is just another digital file
they make you a millionaire only if you were already a millionaire by spending hundreds of thousands...
good luck gambling
With competitive titles my opinion is that the skill floor should be as low as possible with the ceiling being as high as possible. Valorant absolutely doesn't have a low skill floor. Having to memorize every single ability in the game and how it functions just to play into them is miserable to start off with. The gunplay is a highly technical skill to begin with just as in CS, but as you said you can be the best shooter in the entire game and still get killed by an ability from a Silver player. I started with valorant and had a few dozen hours into it before starting to play CS2, and the difference is crazy. CS's simplicity makes it far more engaging as I wasn't miserable trying to slog through my first few hours
why not both? The truth is they are wonderful games, both with their good and bad things, there are days that I like one more than the other and it's ok
Cs fanbase cant fathom this concept, they gotta hate valorant otherwise they feel empty.
@@Striker-xx5cu real, half the comments on this vid are cs players starting an argument. (btw remember guys they are different games . i will have fun playing val u have fun playing cs simple)
This video is very high quality
As one said before to stop this war. "They are not the same game. It is what it is."
I think from a spectator standpoint CS is a lot easier to watch on the e-sports side as well. Its very straight forward and you can actually keep track of what going on without knowing all the different agents. As someone who can't play every day, I think that more simplistic games are easier to jump in and out of. You don't have to play catch-up on 8 characters being added and everyones abilities being reworked.
Honestly, biggest thing putting me off about val is that its sooooo slow. I dont wanna compete to use a agent to not feel crippled
I love that somebody has an opinion on val and cs:go and it isn't only shitting on one or the other:)
I just want Valorant and csgo to be like Dota an league, where the community just accepts that there are some things different than the other game and that neither is better than the other.
Valorant cringe community made it unbearable and how they punish people for tilting. Since valorant also has huge girl gamers percentage compared to csgo it made those simps and discord users hop in and made it less fun with the boosting issue and smurfing to cater and aid some none deserving of those ranks.
the fact that you spent time trying CS:GO again and changed your mind is incredible to me, respect man, welcome to the bright side
welcome to the hell side you mean, Russians constantly screaming in your ears
1:58 is not toxic, from my pov it is just pure Csgo. And i find it beautiful in a weird way.
While the abilities in valorant can be overwhelming to new players, once you learn how to play around them for your advantage the game becomes very much like csgo. It might look like wizard shit, but in reality a majority of abilities are just the grenades you can buy in csgo. Like a third of the characters come with smoke grenades, Molly's, and flash bangs. Even one of the more crazy abilities like teleporting is nuanced, most of the time it is used to get in an advantageous position. In most of the games i play, only a couple of people die to abilities and that is usually because of negligence. As a big valorant fan, i tried cs2 and gunfights where the only thing i was good at. For the most part abilities set you up to take favorable fights. Instead of a 50/50 aim duel, I can molly their cover so they have to peek into me, making it more of a 60/40. I can explain any ability to you and tell you how it can be used to outplay an opponent.
CSGO has custom workshop with custom maps and bots
Valorant doesn't
There is a clear winner here
Every few months I want to give a chance to Valorant. But I simply just can't. Why? Because there are so many changes that if I am not playing it almost every month, I am gonna miss some new agents and it will take me some matches to understand what's happening. In CS, it is just simple. Don't touch the game for like a decade, come back and you'll still understand what's happening. I've said that Valorant is not gonna be a huge thin for me from the beginning, and I was right.
It is not that drastic lol, valorant is easy game and all those new things are just variants of existing things. You can just carry with pure mechanical skills
i like both counter strike and valorant but i feel like this video was made to appeal the counter strike audience as that's who was giving him the most flack on his previous video
I love that these old engines especially the source engine has so many secrets. Like u can find so many things. That’s why Gmod and CSGO are goated games
The jet set radio music is the background is amazing
After almost 1500 hours of Csgo, I actually tried valorant and loved it. Most of the games I've been in have been chill, but my elo isn't that high so maybe I've missed it. I still love CSGO, and valorant isn't perfect, but the abilities was a nice switch up to the formula for me. It is definitely a casual game for me, mostly to play with a group, so I don't think I'll ever take it as serious as CSGO. But as a break from counter strike, I don't mind it so much. The monetization tho and the grind for characters is definitely a negative imo
I actually loved valorant at the beginning, adding new things every 2 months literally killed the game for me, instead of it being innovating they just help to highlight the inherent flaws the game has.
I always saw Valorant as a bootleg Fortnite version of CS:GO. Style wise, shop wise and player base. But hey, each their preference I guess.
I came from valorant and actually, pretty decent at it. I'm (diamond rank) but I'm loving CS more RN. i was "forced" to play it with my friends at first cause they were hype for CS2 and practically "begged" me to install it. (thinking i can carry them)
And I'm so happy that i gave it a shot. Everything feels natural in CS, the feel of the gun, the movement mechanics, utilities,map design and the economy of each round.
I feel really at home in CS. I often complain about how BS some agents abilities work in valo. But in cs everything you excecute is from skill. And one thing i absolutely love about cs is the short match option in rank.
I’m really glad I’m not the only one and the same boat.
Played CSS and was in early on CSGO. played for years. Loved the game and getting better and one day adult life took over and I just stopped playing games.
Time went by and Valorant came out and I passed on it for a bit but 6-8 months after it came out I gave it a shot. I could t meet the old standard I had in CSGO so a fresh start seemed easier.
It was cool for a bit and I loved the feeling of starting CS but colorful but it never “scratched the itch” like you said. I had fun and played but it never got me excited or hooked like CS.
CS2 is out now and I jumped back in with my 10 year coin looking like I just learned how to play on MnK but god I’m having so much fun. CS gun play and skill curve is just so much more of an addiction
I should have a good trust factor in csgo but due to some things I got kicked out of like 5 games and reported a lot (wasnt hacking, made a taco bell joke)
The only thing I would really give massive props to Valorant is Riot making a storyline out of the game. It gives the maps you play on a little bit more of a personality than just a battlefield you're shooting eachother at.
I wish Valve would expand more on the storyline aspect of CS:GO as I feel it's very neglected but has massive potential. Sure, past operation missions had a storyline in them and Danger Zone missions were very fun, but in the last operation no more bits were added to the story.
Why does it have to be “which is better?”, anyone who’s played VALORANT for any decent amount of time knows that they’re only similar on the surface level. You can always play both.
As a player who played counter strike (1.6 and csgo) i was so hype for Valorant. I played Valorant since beta, and was fun and different, but after trying to go competitive, the fun part ends. Was too distracting for me the fact that gun skins have different sounds, trace etc. The fact that if i want to play a champion it will force me to have a different set of utility (so i always must to think what i want, flash, smoke, crazy things like traps and drones). Another pissing thing to me was elo sistem in valorant (i always played full premade) so, if you play a support charachter, with an average score you will get more elo. (One of our friends was playing only Sage but never make kills/impact to game, he just hide whole match to heal our carry, and somehow he reach platinum before everyone else). And last but not least, Reyna. For a fried brain csgo player, a charahter that flash trought walls, heals herself/made herself invincible.... Was over. So i stopped playing Valorant. (I tryed like 6 months ago but i couldn't understand why there are dogs, parrots, clones, tureets, different color walls... I was scared of everything to not die random)
Not to forgot about random map 🫥
So I'm someone who's new at both games and wasn't sure which I should invest my time in but going off the video, I'm absolutely going with csgo.
Best thing about CS is, everybody has the same arsenal. What differenciates you from another player isn't that his operator is broken, it's how good you are.
You mean valorant?
@@batsy_1939 No, he means cs
Stupid take
I agree with this 100%. In addition, so many people that play Valorant, including me a year ago, get so many reps on one character/class of character that it completely defines how you play and think about the game. Because there's no defined roles in lower elo CS games, it allows you to play and learn a lot of different roles depending where you spawn/the situation you're in/the money you have.
what?
I started to play CS in the early 2000s with 1.6 and remember that the scenes were pretty seperated back then and split up into small, local communities on dedicated servers of people who you would meet regularly and who spoke your language on servers where they went for casual gameplay and then fill up teams to search for opponents in IRC.
I became really good in 1.6 and later in Source and so those people would add me in Steam and ask me to play with them all the time. (Because winning feels better)
I really liked Source because it felt like a mixture of 1.6 and COD. (I also played the first COD parts online a lot) Source was a more casual, run and gun like playstyle in which pure reflexes were the most important skill.
When Global Elite was released I was kinda disappointed and bored by it first. I remember that there was no ranking system and not much mods available yet. And the gunplay with far more recoil than in source ... I didn't like it first.
So I returned to Source because I had a big server pool with deathmatch, deagle only, minigames, bhop, surfing, ... and last but not least pool servers (literally) to choose from where I met people who I knew and who spoke my language. In CS:GO it was like playing the same 3-4 boring game modes with random English speaking people for the first year again and again.
When Global Offense released its ranking system I got pulled back to the game, though. I was ranked into Silver 2 first. (so much about feeling to be good in the game) I really wanted to reach The Global Elite! It became my main motivation in the years 2014-2017 in which I slowly but steadily climbed up the ladder, trained my aim 15-30 minutes everyday before going into actual ranked games, watched pros and tried to implement their playstyles to become better, learned a lot of strategies, smoke, flashbang and moly lineups, ... until I finally reached The Global Elite in 2017.
Unfortunatelly the game was filled with Eastern European cheaters by that time so that you would encounter them on a daily basis. So I lost interest and later that year when PUBG was released I switched to it completelly. But as you might know PUBG slowly dyed after its big hype in 2017-18 and so I was looking for an alternative but nothing really interested me until Valorant was released in 2020.
Until now Valorant is my main game since I joined the beta in early 2020. What I love about this game is that it's less hardcore than CS:GO (reminds me of CS Source in some way) and that I NEVER encountered any cheater in ranked games so far. (I peaked Immortal in season 3 and usually play in Diamond-Immortal lobbies)
One thing that makes csgo skins FAR superior is that each one is different. Not only is each one different, but once you own a skin you can personalize it with stickers however you wish. You own the skin, it's completely unique and you can customize it to your own liking. I understand that a valorant player might not understand this, but you feel so much more connection with your skin, it feels like it is truly yours.... which it is because you can also sell it....
I like learning so having to comeback and learn new things about the game excites me and keeps it interesting.
Counter strike keeps the fundamentals of skill while Valorant ruins it with bs.
cs will always be better than valorant
Yeah, CS Is way better, no shit.
valorant has the new kids, csgo has the racist kids. i think we all know who is superior...
just like we know wich race is am i right
jokes aside its simply two different communities, valorant feel like tiktok and csgo like 4chan
im not kidding i met racist femboys while playing cs, cs community is a cultural soup
EYO LMFAO
I mean you say that, but running into turkish 5stacks in Valorant that keeps spamming that they're going to kill my mom sure is great.
I've generally had a worse experience playing Valorant than CSGO in regards to toxicity, but then again I do have very good trust factor in CS so I rarely get fucked lobbies.
The valorant skins not having a market place has always been a weird hill to die on. There are so many free to play, cosmetic driven games that don't have market places either and yet that's the model the game chose to go with. I can't understand how we are only comparing 1 game to another 1 game due to gameplay genre of its cosmetics. You can just say CSGO skin market is vastly superior to any other cosmetic, but then that's not really a fair argument for every developer...
Valorant is valorant, counter strike is counter strike, don't get mixed up
skins in cs are very boring compared to 99% of games, their only "value" is the real price, otherwise they have nothing good...
@@albertoaltahona88 yes, thats true. I'm not saying cs skins are bad but like tbh valorant skins animations just slightly better
@@albertoaltahona88 but W to cs knife, definitely worth it
@@Jeregolnumber9 @Alberto Altahona I'm not getting it mixed up. I'm asking why the market of skins discussion in both games is only limited to these 2 games. Instead of seeing they are Free-to-play just like many other games that have purely cosmetic choices. They might not be FPS games, but they still are certainly FTP just as much
when you think about it csgo is way harder than valorant. i only started playing valorant only a year ago its just simple and you can learn to play it one to two days.