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whenever i build an engine i run it for 5-10 minutes and change the oil and filter just to make sure that any "slag" is out of the engine. then i drive a few days and check the oil and filter again.
imagine going through all that--pulling the engine, starting to tear it down, breaking the clutch in the process--only to find out it just needed a valve job. i would need one or several stiff drinks if that were me. props to you, mr. martin, for sticking it through, when lesser men would have given up.
For those who don’t have the option of pulling an engine more or less just for fun, I can’t recommend getting an oil analysis enough. Take a sample of your oil, either between services or while changing the oil, and mail it off to the lab. It’s a great low financial cost and low time cost option. They can detect trace amounts of metals and identify issues before you even notice an issue, such as hearing a problem.
this was an emotional rollercoaster, Marty sounded at the beginning like a parent that is just giving an update on a sick child and while i know they are not similar at all it was giving thta vibe, im so glad the operation was successful
Is that Aaron Gipp? Bloke is a legend! He is always helping me out with questions for my EZ30 turbo build. Currently have my very own supergramps setup, glad to see the small tight knit community helping each other!
Some real emotions in this video. Must have been a rough time mate. Your video's always make us feel like a mate is showing us something and I'll always be a fan.
Man, your comment about “engine malfunction denial” hit me hard…I’m currently going through the same thing with my bike build and avoiding having to tear it all down again. But this video has given me the kick in the arse needed to go get it done.
The best part of this video is seeing the Mira hanging out in the back of shot a few times. That will always be my favorite MCM build ever, and it's good to just lay eyes on it again
Best part about the Mira build is.. right after the build was done, the government changed the grey import laws slightly, meaning a 4wd Mira can now be imported into Australia and registered.
Its always cool when a 4x4 channel mess with street cars! 😄 Thanks for the video! Always love these type of videos that show more that other channels might put behind the scenes and never show.
Shattered I missed you guys that day. Just drove my freshly built GF8 down from Brisbane to Subinats and it went smoother than I could imagine. Seems like we both had a win that day lol. So glad you didnt have any more dramas than what you did with it, its the worst feeling when your Subaru isnt 100%. So happy for you Martin.
So glad it worked out!!! Man my heart broke after everything that has gone into this build, to then see the engine come back out 💔 Haters gonna hate, but for all of us who love our projects, you have our support 💪🏽
After watching the whole thing, I'm pretty happy for yah, been there too myself with other cars. Having a buddy around always keeps the progress going, it's nice to see another mechanics project come life!
Having just done this process on two old Jaguar XJ6's (albeit with shims), both belonging to my late grandfather, having to take the heads off as the valves were also shot - I'm so glad we didnt have to deal with a flat motor! Good on you guys for pushing through and getting that beast going! (albeit with shims)
I had the same issue when reinstalling my EJ. Rushed a bit getting it aligned and bent those little finger tines. I tried to justify bending them back but ended up ordering a new one. Better to be delayed a couple of days versus having to pull the engine again. Note to the comment section: When installing an EJ/EZ always check for clutch engagement prior to finishing the install and plumbing all your lines up. Will save you a lot of headache.
Helpful tip for anyone trying to remove a pull type release bearing so you can reinstall. Press down on the release bearing so it compresses into the pressure plate, then insert a flathead screwdriver in between the bearing and the pressure plate and twist and the bearing will be able to be removed. Then you can chuck it back on the gearbox input snout like a new one would go and reinstall.
Can't you just remove the pivot shaft from the fork and remove the fork from the bearing like normal on an STI 6spd? Then just remove the bearing from the pressure plate assembly once the motor is out?
@@jibbsey This is to remove the bearing after the engine is pulled out, not during. It means you can stick it back on the snout when the motor is reinstalled and use it like a new unit would go it.
I had a forged CP Piston EJ257 in my old 07 Legacy and that thing sounded like a diesel engine, that was with the required .003" piston to wall clearance, stock is .0015 IIRC. I ran it for nearly 100k before just retiring it for a rust free 06 Legacy. This time around I just went with a stock new short block when building it. I enjoy the quite engine as a daily and it really doesn't need the forged pistons for what I'm doing with it. :)
The joys of owning a heavily modified car... happy to see it wasn't something catastrophic. Also, it's funny seeing some of the comments that are made before they'd watched the video lol
I'm 100% sure this is not the case but you guys always seem so calm and relaxed in the shop. It's inspiring and I love everything you guys do. It's funny and informative and entertaining all at the same time. This is by far my favourite chanel to watch about all things cars and I thank you.
When i first watched this video before bed last night, my immediate thoughts before even getting 2 mins into the video (after listening to the ticking/rattling noise) was that it was something to do with the rockers. But its good that you did a partial tear down just to visually inspect the engine as you did throw the whole car together rather quickly.
Delighted to see that it wasn't a major failure, albeit a bit of a shame that the buckets had to be changed so soon after initial build (when you might expect this not to be an issue). Awesome spec and delighted for you - may it run for many years without further event...
At least you learnt from the experience and know to check your solid lifter tolerances when putting an engine back together. From the video of the noise you originally posted it seemed to be lifter noise and glad this turned out to be the case for you as although a time consuming fix it was at least a relatively cheap fix 😊
This is the thing that makes car customization quite a great hobby, considering the amount of work you need to do when things get all worn out and need to go in the bin, and all the creativity you can do when you send the purity in the bin as well. Glad the Leboring --> Levorg --> Levraaaaaaappp --> LeBoom --> Levraaaaaaappp is going all well.
I don't get into the denial phase. If it sounds bad, i just test the oil (i check this every change), coolant and check my vibration recordings. If all three come out with issues. Then i have to take it apart. I take the engines apart (based on kms on road) anyways, but if those three warning lights pop, i have an issue. 9 times out of 10, it was justified and the 6 times i was wrong, it turned out to be a faulty oil check, loose "microphone" or a gasket installation issue. Given that i've never blown an engine under normal uses, i think it's a reasonable thing to do.
Really enjoyed this video. So pleased for you that you were able to fix it with no major issues found in the motor. I see some frequent oil changes ahead for this motor.
That oil pressure after the oil change looked awfully high.Don't know if that is intentional, or if something has blocked up part of the oil system - spun bearings, swarf in the galleries, etc. Too high a pressure always makes me think there's too little oil flow somewhere.
Pulled out my h6 after overheating, replaced it with a scrapper... which had bottom end knock, so now I will rebuild my original h6 to prepare it for a turbo. Thanks for the inspiration to get back on with the project.
When will there be a new UP! episode? Great to see the levorg back! Also I received my Miss Daisy poster, added her to my collection of MCM posters! Cheers!
Congrats on the finished build and having it at such a cool event! Always loved Suburus, tho i think they dont take to modifying as well as others all the time haha. They look damn good tho, from Brumby to WRX and 22B!
The thing I've noticed about forged pistons is that unless you're really putting it under load, they don't actually warm up and stop slapping. Like a daily driver with forged pistons, the slap will be more dependent on weather than coolant temp. So towing with forged pistons, that probably warmed them up nicely and were nice and quiet. You might find in future that cruising around unloaded they may slap again.
Mate i felt your pain watching this. I had a motor built last year, 2.8 stroker, haltech elite, spent money on all the safety etc.. Within 6 weeks heard a knock, still had full oil pressure, drove fine, full compression, perfect plugs and no warnings on the Haltech. It was knocking when cold and would disappear when hot. Workshop decided to strip the motor down, found 4 corner scuffing on one of the pistons... the metal from the scuff accumalated and hardened at the bottm and the piston would hit it on start up. We went through of research/investigation as to why we had this issue, we found that the lower part of the bore wasnt machined completely to spec... We just honed the bore, machined to spec, the rest were fine, still the same spec as original, fresh set of pistons, everything covered under warranty and we were good.The whole situation took 6 months to rectify, took me a long time to regain faith in the car as i was scared to go through it again.
Marty! Stoked that you got this sorted and I enjoyed watching the process - thanks for sharing. When we saw the bit cruising down the road with the roo watching on Mrs El_Freddo said “G’day mate” as you do then you did the same - classic! Highlight for me was seeing that short clip of my brumby rolling into the Subynats Show and Shine 😝 Thanks for everything, you boys are true legends! Keep up the effort to produce awesome videos!
I owned a 2006 3.0R SpecB when I lived in Japan. That motor is excellent, and very smooth. It was always a thought to modify (a guy in Finland supercharged his), but I didn't have the money and time to do that. But cheers guys, you took a well underestimated engine and made it great.
My nephew just won the GridLife 2023 Falcon Sunae Cup here in the US. He actually drove the car to all the events. He is racing Hondas now, but started racing Subaru. He has been doing this for about 10 years but has really ramped things up the last few years.
Cannot stress enough how much I LOVE how cars bring mates together. Whether they're professionals befriended over the years or life long mates pulling long days/nights to get it going again.
I've been thru the EJ journey now transitioning over to FA if this current motor in my Rexxie goes I may go the EZ route *but I'll continue to watch Marty suffer thru it first before I even attempt this swap in my car 😅
This just cements my opinion that if expert shops can't built Subaru's to last... Rest of us have no chance! I'll stick to my 400whp 1jz and glance at the oil pressure if I hear it splutter... 😂🎉
That's sort of what I was thinking. It's been a while since I've seen the episode, but didn't like the country's premier Subaru shop build this engine?
ive shimmed heads on fords here in the uk in the past and can be mind blowing sometimes working out what its got,how much gap there is and changing up as necc.fair play to u
As soon as I heard the noise, it sounded *exactly* like my old EJ25's valves, right now. One valve is out of lash, and it sounds like a lot of tappa tappa until it warms up. Whenever I pull it for the leaky rear main (third time in 3 months because i'm a doofus), it's getting another adjustment. It'll be fine. The bigger issue for me is gonna be the 4EAT slamming every time it downshifts to get up a hill or to pass. That's tiring. Gotta put in my spare valvebody, and rebuild the old one.
The best thing about things going wrong for you guys, is that we get another great video haha. Not that I want things to go wrong and for you guys to get pissed off of course!
That noise is called Piston Slap and it varies depending the forged engine and piston used. It’s normal. That’s why forged engines need to be broken in very carefully and always heating/cooling it appropriately.
My daily Toyota had an engine with these shim under bucket valves. When it got to higher mileages it would make this awful knocking noise in the top end. Sometimes giving it some oil would quieten it down. Recently after 240,000 miles and 17 years the head gasket failed. I put a used engine in the car and stripped down the old one. The only wear I found was in the bores. Everything else inside the engine was immaculate including the top end. Maybe the buckets were noisy but there was no damage to them.
@@CBD-Life-South-Africa Not if they use the opportunity well and immediately use the brumby to build a social media presence! Imagine how well a video titled "I won the MCM brumby... then it exploded" would do..........
@@CBD-Life-South-Africa Please explain to me how an old Ute with an NA forester drive-train (with brand-new engine control) going to bankrupt someone...?
Marty, i'm at 6:52 and i bet it's the same reason, why MY EZ30 ist out right now... i think the chain tensioner doesn't do it's job properly... you should have opened the oil fill in and listen in there, if the sound comes from there. I'll edit this comment again after the video. Okay watched all... you know what is weird? To make such an enormous noise... the gap must be measured in mm :D what were the tolerances you found and measured? Its better to get them a bit on the wider side, bc a turbo engine is producing much more heat, resulting in more material stretching. the factory setting is: Inlet 0,14-0,24 and exhaust 0,30-0,40 mm. I'd let the exhaust be near 0,4 and the inlet at about 0,22mm. But i can't believe, that this was the reason of the noise. Listen carefully, if the sound appears again and if it appers only on hot engine. My EZ30 in my 05 BP had a very bad noise only when the engine got hot. Cold start was quiet, nothing. Adding thicker oil removed that effect...and the noise came with higher temps... went back to thinner oil and it was there again. In my case measured every valve and everything is within spec... so i think, your problem is the LH chain tensioner, that gets stuck sometimes and lets the chain rattle badly.
played the tappet game before mzr motor. i am still finding buckets in my garage randomly. thats what happenes when you drink and shim a head. i was luckey my rod knock turned out to be a fubared camshaft journal. new head and a set of race cams fixed what was diagnosed by multiple experianced mechanics to be rod knock!!!!! if i never fixed my valve cover leak i wouldnt of seen the scoring. did all the work myself and boom got another 6k miles out of that before it as sold.
Marty please don’t forget when I helped to clean OG supergramps at the show and shine Subinats in 2015 at Wakefield park. You gave me a jumper I wear it when modding on cold days. Well done on the H6!
Funny you ended up suspecting the valve clearances, I was joking to myself that it had the same issue my 2000 Kawasaki Ninja ZX9r had after rebuilding the top end. It started, was noisy, thought "it's fine, probably the CCT", gave it a little blip of the throttle and the noise got much worse. Turned out to be the only shim I didn't need to change had somehow dislodged from its place (didn't know these were shimless), so it must have been on top of the valve spring, and caused one of the collets to come out, luckily just the one. Although the valve had dropped slightly it seems there was no damage, I replaced the collets, put it back together and all has been fine since.
I can see the heartbreak in your face bud I've never seen you look so shattered you're normally the happiest positive guy around. Not at the finish yet but hope you had a Win, I'm not a subi fan boy I'm a golf fanboy lol hey Moog 😂 but still I know you are passionate about them and seeing you look sad just isn't right.
Just a thought, could be completely wrong BUT: Jou`re using Castrol Edge on all your engines (Which I also do for years). Now I also think that should be premium oil. But i recently spoke to a tuners Mechanic about oils and he said they dont use it anymore due to malfunctions they had with it. I wonder if there are more people getting problems with that oil.
I had the same issue with my sti ej regarding the clutch retention lock. I ended up going with the ACT Monoloc Collar. Much easier to work with and better peace of mind for me.
I felt for you when you first heard that noise but having good people to help you diagnose the problem to achieve a cheaper in the long run compared to full tear down fix if you didn't have them awesome peeps
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whenever i build an engine i run it for 5-10 minutes and change the oil and filter just to make sure that any "slag" is out of the engine. then i drive a few days and check the oil and filter again.
Piston slap mayb had one that had nosie asked specialest they said she b ryt never had prob
A proper episode finally….there has been a bit too much internet wasting lately. Back to the mcm roots,love it.
A supra on the hill, am I missing something, since when does Moog have a supra?
🤞it's not an a90
What was Moog saying at the end about a Supra? Are they being sneaky again?
The Levorg is awesome, I’m happy it’s running smooth.
my guess is a battle with the rx7
Probably referring to the Camry
They posted an A70 on Instagram a little while back. Wonder if Moog is referencing that?
he said something about it on unicorn circuit too, dunno if hes takin the piss or what
Was thinking the same. There was a MK4 with them in a video earlier, but dont know if it belongs to them.
imagine going through all that--pulling the engine, starting to tear it down, breaking the clutch in the process--only to find out it just needed a valve job. i would need one or several stiff drinks if that were me. props to you, mr. martin, for sticking it through, when lesser men would have given up.
For those who don’t have the option of pulling an engine more or less just for fun, I can’t recommend getting an oil analysis enough. Take a sample of your oil, either between services or while changing the oil, and mail it off to the lab. It’s a great low financial cost and low time cost option. They can detect trace amounts of metals and identify issues before you even notice an issue, such as hearing a problem.
Can be done with gear boxes too
Great shout 👍. Never thought of doing something like that tbh
My oil sample came back HIV+. She's farrrrked, blowing T cells out the exhaust.
CAT and Komatsu run labs. Grab a test kit and send it off in the mail. Lots of towns have a dealership.
Used them both plenty of times.
Or… you can use the money you save from not doing that to go towards building a backup engine. It’s what makes Subaru a Subaru. (WRX owner here)
the ultimate Subaru experience
We need a temporary intro whilst Moog is on top gear of just Marty walking around the workshop calling out for Moog!
Moogs on top gear?
@@kcrichton7485 He's one of the new hosts for Top Gear Aus
Thanks for the heads-up on that good news!
Just need to re-enact Escobar standing around by himself
Ffs top gear Australia, you can't break up Marty and Moog
Aaron Gipp knows EZ30s really well and has given me tons of great advice for mine. Great to see him sharing his expertise for the Levorg
this was an emotional rollercoaster, Marty sounded at the beginning like a parent that is just giving an update on a sick child and while i know they are not similar at all it was giving thta vibe, im so glad the operation was successful
Is that Aaron Gipp? Bloke is a legend! He is always helping me out with questions for my EZ30 turbo build. Currently have my very own supergramps setup, glad to see the small tight knit community helping each other!
That ending.... you cheeky buggers! Awesome work Marty!
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I thought nobody else had noticed!!
Haha, I was all, "waitaminute!!"
One of the best elements of this show. Is collaborating with other people. Keep up the good work!
Some real emotions in this video. Must have been a rough time mate. Your video's always make us feel like a mate is showing us something and I'll always be a fan.
So glad it worked out for him and that it wasn’t a major issue. It is the joy and yet worrying about modifying an engine but so far so good.
Man, your comment about “engine malfunction denial” hit me hard…I’m currently going through the same thing with my bike build and avoiding having to tear it all down again. But this video has given me the kick in the arse needed to go get it done.
The best part of this video is seeing the Mira hanging out in the back of shot a few times. That will always be my favorite MCM build ever, and it's good to just lay eyes on it again
Really hope they're doing something cool to it hey, Mira is the best
Best part about the Mira build is.. right after the build was done, the government changed the grey import laws slightly, meaning a 4wd Mira can now be imported into Australia and registered.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ yeah that was pretty brutal but to be fair I haven't seen a single person actually import a 4WD L210 yet, only normal TR-XXs so far
Fill the cylinders with oil and let it sit overnight. It'll be OK in the morning. 👍
If you know, you know.
remember to leave spark plugs out before starting to clear excess oil.
What does that do?
@@RespecIt it prevents warranty claims.
I'm convinced this joke will never get old lmfao
Its always cool when a 4x4 channel mess with street cars! 😄 Thanks for the video! Always love these type of videos that show more that other channels might put behind the scenes and never show.
This is a 4x4
Maybe the hubs are locked?? 😉
@@TheG60528XiJinPingnot 4x4, AWD 😝
this is most definitely not a 4x4 channel. It’s the inverse of what you’re saying they are a street car channel that dabbles with 4x4 content. 😊
@@GatherYeRosebudsWhileYeMay it's a joke, mate.
Shattered I missed you guys that day. Just drove my freshly built GF8 down from Brisbane to Subinats and it went smoother than I could imagine. Seems like we both had a win that day lol. So glad you didnt have any more dramas than what you did with it, its the worst feeling when your Subaru isnt 100%. So happy for you Martin.
"The Supra is up the hill over there.....OH YOUR ONE?"
I thought I might have been the only one to hear that haha
Moog finally bought himself a small mountain?
I thought I was hearing things as well. Sneaky way of announcing the next project
heard that too
He's probally bought a shitbox Kia and called to Soup-brah.
As far as bucket issues go, it least it wasn't the motor kicking the bucket that you had to worry about
Love having the boys together but Marty humbling tinkering is pure joy.
Something we can all relate to working on our own projects going through the highs and lows with mates at times and on our own many times too.
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The Marty only episodes are really about cars, the Moog side is mostly negative and it gets old. So I agree
My 2005 Impreza just died today 😢 250,000 miles on it though. It had a good run. RIP.
She served well...
Yep my 2015 legacy had electrical issues at 244k miles and couldn’t figure out why it wouldn’t run. Cut my loss and sold it. RIP.
So glad it worked out!!!
Man my heart broke after everything that has gone into this build, to then see the engine come back out 💔
Haters gonna hate, but for all of us who love our projects, you have our support 💪🏽
This gave me the same vibes I got back in high school watching Marty's RS Turbo video where he went down to Victoria. What a contrast.
After watching the whole thing, I'm pretty happy for yah, been there too myself with other cars. Having a buddy around always keeps the progress going, it's nice to see another mechanics project come life!
Agree 100%
Having just done this process on two old Jaguar XJ6's (albeit with shims), both belonging to my late grandfather, having to take the heads off as the valves were also shot - I'm so glad we didnt have to deal with a flat motor! Good on you guys for pushing through and getting that beast going! (albeit with shims)
So happy for you marty and figuring out the problem! Go and enjoy the car mate you deserve it!
I had the same issue when reinstalling my EJ. Rushed a bit getting it aligned and bent those little finger tines. I tried to justify bending them back but ended up ordering a new one. Better to be delayed a couple of days versus having to pull the engine again.
Note to the comment section: When installing an EJ/EZ always check for clutch engagement prior to finishing the install and plumbing all your lines up. Will save you a lot of headache.
Helpful tip for anyone trying to remove a pull type release bearing so you can reinstall. Press down on the release bearing so it compresses into the pressure plate, then insert a flathead screwdriver in between the bearing and the pressure plate and twist and the bearing will be able to be removed. Then you can chuck it back on the gearbox input snout like a new one would go and reinstall.
Can't you just remove the pivot shaft from the fork and remove the fork from the bearing like normal on an STI 6spd? Then just remove the bearing from the pressure plate assembly once the motor is out?
@@jibbsey This is to remove the bearing after the engine is pulled out, not during. It means you can stick it back on the snout when the motor is reinstalled and use it like a new unit would go it.
I had a forged CP Piston EJ257 in my old 07 Legacy and that thing sounded like a diesel engine, that was with the required .003" piston to wall clearance, stock is .0015 IIRC. I ran it for nearly 100k before just retiring it for a rust free 06 Legacy. This time around I just went with a stock new short block when building it. I enjoy the quite engine as a daily and it really doesn't need the forged pistons for what I'm doing with it. :)
The joys of owning a heavily modified car... happy to see it wasn't something catastrophic. Also, it's funny seeing some of the comments that are made before they'd watched the video lol
I'm 100% sure this is not the case but you guys always seem so calm and relaxed in the shop. It's inspiring and I love everything you guys do. It's funny and informative and entertaining all at the same time. This is by far my favourite chanel to watch about all things cars and I thank you.
When i first watched this video before bed last night, my immediate thoughts before even getting 2 mins into the video (after listening to the ticking/rattling noise) was that it was something to do with the rockers.
But its good that you did a partial tear down just to visually inspect the engine as you did throw the whole car together rather quickly.
Had a similar noise on TT legacy,pistons were just touching cylinder heads in my case ,thicker head gaskets fixed it 👍
Delighted to see that it wasn't a major failure, albeit a bit of a shame that the buckets had to be changed so soon after initial build (when you might expect this not to be an issue). Awesome spec and delighted for you - may it run for many years without further event...
So happy for you Marty!! This is exactly what my gc8 needs since my rebuild, and I hope to re-bucket it soon.
Valves sound angry at the moment
Two Aarons one Levorg. Marty is a man of taste!
At least you learnt from the experience and know to check your solid lifter tolerances when putting an engine back together. From the video of the noise you originally posted it seemed to be lifter noise and glad this turned out to be the case for you as although a time consuming fix it was at least a relatively cheap fix 😊
This is the thing that makes car customization quite a great hobby, considering the amount of work you need to do when things get all worn out and need to go in the bin, and all the creativity you can do when you send the purity in the bin as well. Glad the Leboring --> Levorg --> Levraaaaaaappp --> LeBoom --> Levraaaaaaappp is going all well.
Happy to see the Levorg up and running!
I don't get into the denial phase. If it sounds bad, i just test the oil (i check this every change), coolant and check my vibration recordings. If all three come out with issues. Then i have to take it apart. I take the engines apart (based on kms on road) anyways, but if those three warning lights pop, i have an issue. 9 times out of 10, it was justified and the 6 times i was wrong, it turned out to be a faulty oil check, loose "microphone" or a gasket installation issue. Given that i've never blown an engine under normal uses, i think it's a reasonable thing to do.
That trick with the adjustable wrench and pry bar is genius
except it can really nick those aluminium casings if they are well-stuck together
Really enjoyed this video. So pleased for you that you were able to fix it with no major issues found in the motor. I see some frequent oil changes ahead for this motor.
That oil pressure after the oil change looked awfully high.Don't know if that is intentional, or if something has blocked up part of the oil system - spun bearings, swarf in the galleries, etc. Too high a pressure always makes me think there's too little oil flow somewhere.
Smeedia’s H6 swapped STi also runs at 90 psi oil pressure.
Pulled out my h6 after overheating, replaced it with a scrapper... which had bottom end knock, so now I will rebuild my original h6 to prepare it for a turbo. Thanks for the inspiration to get back on with the project.
When will there be a new UP! episode? Great to see the levorg back! Also I received my Miss Daisy poster, added her to my collection of MCM posters! Cheers!
They've gone very quiet on the UP for some reason.
@@ferrumignis yeah I’ve noticed that too, been looking forward to the next one - hopefully they will tell us soon
11:58 - Aaron is the type of mechanic who tinkers and knows his stuff, very calm too
that levorg is best
Congrats on the finished build and having it at such a cool event! Always loved Suburus, tho i think they dont take to modifying as well as others all the time haha. They look damn good tho, from Brumby to WRX and 22B!
The thing I've noticed about forged pistons is that unless you're really putting it under load, they don't actually warm up and stop slapping. Like a daily driver with forged pistons, the slap will be more dependent on weather than coolant temp. So towing with forged pistons, that probably warmed them up nicely and were nice and quiet. You might find in future that cruising around unloaded they may slap again.
I am currently going through this on my 2013 STi so this episode is hitting real close to home 😅
you and like 50% of all STi owners, lol.
Ditto ✋🏽. Claim your my shit blew up pass here
Mate i felt your pain watching this. I had a motor built last year, 2.8 stroker, haltech elite, spent money on all the safety etc.. Within 6 weeks heard a knock, still had full oil pressure, drove fine, full compression, perfect plugs and no warnings on the Haltech. It was knocking when cold and would disappear when hot. Workshop decided to strip the motor down, found 4 corner scuffing on one of the pistons... the metal from the scuff accumalated and hardened at the bottm and the piston would hit it on start up. We went through of research/investigation as to why we had this issue, we found that the lower part of the bore wasnt machined completely to spec... We just honed the bore, machined to spec, the rest were fine, still the same spec as original, fresh set of pistons, everything covered under warranty and we were good.The whole situation took 6 months to rectify, took me a long time to regain faith in the car as i was scared to go through it again.
^ that’s intense! Glad to hear it was sorted under warranty - you made the right call!
@@ElFreddoAndRubyScoo Thank you my guy! Thought it was worth sharing given Marty's journey. Happens to the best of us.
It’s a Subaru that’s why
Way more people modify them than lots of other brands cause they are fun and rewarding, sometimes stuff breaks.
Always breaks if it's a Subaru
@@mightycarmodsegg Zack Lee
Subaru happens
Subaru always breaks :(
Marty! Stoked that you got this sorted and I enjoyed watching the process - thanks for sharing. When we saw the bit cruising down the road with the roo watching on Mrs El_Freddo said “G’day mate” as you do then you did the same - classic!
Highlight for me was seeing that short clip of my brumby rolling into the Subynats Show and Shine 😝
Thanks for everything, you boys are true legends! Keep up the effort to produce awesome videos!
Piston slap from the forged internals? Get the oil analyzed maybe? Edit: a loose valve is a happy valve.
Very happy to see the Grovel happy and healthy again! Absolutely love this project and where it has come.
The frequency and consistent tone of it sounded like a valve clearance issue to me.
It sounds just like a Honda valve clearance click
I owned a 2006 3.0R SpecB when I lived in Japan. That motor is excellent, and very smooth. It was always a thought to modify (a guy in Finland supercharged his), but I didn't have the money and time to do that. But cheers guys, you took a well underestimated engine and made it great.
Glad to see it worked out well. Next up: rebuilding the blue STi
The gemini
I’m sure they’re all going to happen. Moog may need to stop the Levorg and pry Marty from the driver’s seat though!
My nephew just won the GridLife 2023 Falcon Sunae Cup here in the US. He actually drove the car to all the events. He is racing Hondas now, but started racing Subaru. He has been doing this for about 10 years but has really ramped things up the last few years.
You knows it bad that super gramps never have to had the engine replaced and it was on stock internals for the most part.😂😂
Cannot stress enough how much I LOVE how cars bring mates together. Whether they're professionals befriended over the years or life long mates pulling long days/nights to get it going again.
I've been thru the EJ journey now transitioning over to FA if this current motor in my Rexxie goes I may go the EZ route *but I'll continue to watch Marty suffer thru it first before I even attempt this swap in my car 😅
This is the first time in like a year that I have had a mighty car mods video put into my subscription box. I miss these videos!!
This just cements my opinion that if expert shops can't built Subaru's to last... Rest of us have no chance! I'll stick to my 400whp 1jz and glance at the oil pressure if I hear it splutter... 😂🎉
That's sort of what I was thinking. It's been a while since I've seen the episode, but didn't like the country's premier Subaru shop build this engine?
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze done in UnZud if I remember correctly. So yea. Wonder how long it woulda lasted!
ive shimmed heads on fords here in the uk in the past and can be mind blowing sometimes working out what its got,how much gap there is and changing up as necc.fair play to u
I love your guys mild builds like this, I'm hoping I can build something of my own soon. Sad to see it broken tho!
As soon as I heard the noise, it sounded *exactly* like my old EJ25's valves, right now. One valve is out of lash, and it sounds like a lot of tappa tappa until it warms up.
Whenever I pull it for the leaky rear main (third time in 3 months because i'm a doofus), it's getting another adjustment. It'll be fine.
The bigger issue for me is gonna be the 4EAT slamming every time it downshifts to get up a hill or to pass. That's tiring. Gotta put in my spare valvebody, and rebuild the old one.
The best thing about things going wrong for you guys, is that we get another great video haha. Not that I want things to go wrong and for you guys to get pissed off of course!
That noise is called Piston Slap and it varies depending the forged engine and piston used. It’s normal. That’s why forged engines need to be broken in very carefully and always heating/cooling it appropriately.
Hey Marty, is that what the RS is for? When the Levorg is broken?
My daily Toyota had an engine with these shim under bucket valves. When it got to higher mileages it would make this awful knocking noise in the top end. Sometimes giving it some oil would quieten it down. Recently after 240,000 miles and 17 years the head gasket failed. I put a used engine in the car and stripped down the old one. The only wear I found was in the bores. Everything else inside the engine was immaculate including the top end. Maybe the buckets were noisy but there was no damage to them.
Are we going to get a visit from Uncle Rodney?
Rodney goes "Knock, Knock, Knock"
It's the Subaru experience.... SIGH
Love that it's a reasonably simple fix. But, wtf did Moog say at the end?
What's this about a supra on the hill?
I’m always so amazed with how people know how to pull apart such complex engines and even more so, remember how they go back together.
The fact ppl still build high power Subarus even after the internet existing is a testament to mankinds persistence
It is the definition of insanity. Build, explode, build, explode, build... Explode! Why does it keep exploding!?
Pity they are giving away a car, that is guaranteed to bankrupt the poor kid that wins it.
Supergramps put in the work for years without much issue though
@@CBD-Life-South-Africa Not if they use the opportunity well and immediately use the brumby to build a social media presence! Imagine how well a video titled "I won the MCM brumby... then it exploded" would do..........
@@CBD-Life-South-Africa Please explain to me how an old Ute with an NA forester drive-train (with brand-new engine control) going to bankrupt someone...?
Marty, i'm at 6:52 and i bet it's the same reason, why MY EZ30 ist out right now... i think the chain tensioner doesn't do it's job properly... you should have opened the oil fill in and listen in there, if the sound comes from there. I'll edit this comment again after the video.
Okay watched all... you know what is weird? To make such an enormous noise... the gap must be measured in mm :D what were the tolerances you found and measured? Its better to get them a bit on the wider side, bc a turbo engine is producing much more heat, resulting in more material stretching. the factory setting is: Inlet 0,14-0,24 and exhaust 0,30-0,40 mm. I'd let the exhaust be near 0,4 and the inlet at about 0,22mm.
But i can't believe, that this was the reason of the noise. Listen carefully, if the sound appears again and if it appers only on hot engine. My EZ30 in my 05 BP had a very bad noise only when the engine got hot. Cold start was quiet, nothing. Adding thicker oil removed that effect...and the noise came with higher temps... went back to thinner oil and it was there again. In my case measured every valve and everything is within spec... so i think, your problem is the LH chain tensioner, that gets stuck sometimes and lets the chain rattle badly.
I will never touch another Subaru in my life again😅
A wise decision.
Honestly not really as bad as people make it seem if you leave it stock and do proper maintenance.
@@v8_sami yes stock they are fine
But these are not to be messed with unless you have the time and the money😅
Absolutely the best show yet!
Everyone seems to knock on Subaru for their "poor engine reliability." Unfortunately, Subaru engines usually knock louder.
played the tappet game before mzr motor. i am still finding buckets in my garage randomly. thats what happenes when you drink and shim a head. i was luckey my rod knock turned out to be a fubared camshaft journal. new head and a set of race cams fixed what was diagnosed by multiple experianced mechanics to be rod knock!!!!! if i never fixed my valve cover leak i wouldnt of seen the scoring. did all the work myself and boom got another 6k miles out of that before it as sold.
That was a stressful episode but I'm really glad it had a happy ending!
Have you boys done a SVX yet? I don't recall that you have...🤨
svx are the only subary Id want. They look so good even 20years later. Kinda like the 2nd gen isuzu impulse
Marty please don’t forget when I helped to clean OG supergramps at the show and shine Subinats in 2015 at Wakefield park. You gave me a jumper I wear it when modding on cold days. Well done on the H6!
I feel for you mate, most depressed you can get when you just want to drive your project
Funny you ended up suspecting the valve clearances, I was joking to myself that it had the same issue my 2000 Kawasaki Ninja ZX9r had after rebuilding the top end. It started, was noisy, thought "it's fine, probably the CCT", gave it a little blip of the throttle and the noise got much worse.
Turned out to be the only shim I didn't need to change had somehow dislodged from its place (didn't know these were shimless), so it must have been on top of the valve spring, and caused one of the collets to come out, luckily just the one. Although the valve had dropped slightly it seems there was no damage, I replaced the collets, put it back together and all has been fine since.
Glad it worked out for you. I have been down that road a few times. All the time, money and effort just to have to go through it again.
Dang. Good to see the mates came over to help.
Marty congrats on getting the LeVorge back up and running. And in good shape. Enjoy the ride now. 😊
I can see the heartbreak in your face bud I've never seen you look so shattered you're normally the happiest positive guy around. Not at the finish yet but hope you had a Win, I'm not a subi fan boy I'm a golf fanboy lol hey Moog 😂 but still I know you are passionate about them and seeing you look sad just isn't right.
This is really interesting, I've never thought much about valve clearances with a bucket style OHC.
First style I ever done and it was on a isuzu impulse. Great design, low reciprocating weight and very compact
26 minutes in the lineup of rs turbos was me and both my cousins, gotta say they cleaned up pretty darn good
That red brumby though! 😝🤣
from building older ej20/2.2 for power and using new bucket make it to the tighter spec..when the engine break in it will get to spec..
Just a thought, could be completely wrong BUT: Jou`re using Castrol Edge on all your engines (Which I also do for years). Now I also think that should be premium oil. But i recently spoke to a tuners Mechanic about oils and he said they dont use it anymore due to malfunctions they had with it. I wonder if there are more people getting problems with that oil.
It's bittersweet saying I've been waiting for this episode, it was heartbreaking seeing the posts on the h6 builders group
I had the same issue with my sti ej regarding the clutch retention lock. I ended up going with the ACT Monoloc Collar. Much easier to work with and better peace of mind for me.
Good work holding down the fort Marty. Best of luck with the build/rebuild process.
You guys held my interest right from the start. Really enjoying this one.
I recently installed the same Xclutch on my Twincharged EJ. It’s really good!
I would recommend getting a vacuum bleeder for coolingsystems, since you guys do it so often. It is well worth it to be sure you have no airpockets!
I felt for you when you first heard that noise but having good people to help you diagnose the problem to achieve a cheaper in the long run compared to full tear down fix if you didn't have them awesome peeps
These mostly Marty only episodes are always the best.